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Pedro on Jeter: “It’s impossible to make him change his approach”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’ve been away from my apartment for the past two weeks or so. All for good and fun reasons — went to a wedding, celebrated three out-of-town birthdays, got to see my parents for a few hours, randomly went to one World Series game — but it’s required some catching up on random stuff (Anyone want to renew my license and registration for me?). Last night, I was flipping through a few Sports Illustrated issues that I hadn’t seen and came across Tom Verducci’s question and answer interview with Pedro Martinez.

Granted, it’s Pedro, so Yankees fans might have intentionally looked the other way, but he actually talked a lot about the Yankees, including some kind words about Derek Jeter, who Martinez labeled as the hitter he’d least like to face with a runner at second base in a close game.

“He doesn’t get rattled. He doesn’t get excited. He’s cold, like an icebox. … It’s impossible to make him change his approach or his demeanor. The program that he has to approach you doesn’t change.”

Martinez also talked pretty candidly about intentionally hitting Jeter in 2003 (in the same game when he also hit Alfonso Soriano). And that conversation about hitting Jeter, came directly out of a conversation about how close he came to signing with the Yankees in 2004.

“If it wasn’t for (Mets GM) Omar Minaya, (the Yankees’) was the best offer I had out there.”

It’s an interesting interview, if only because Martinez is an interesting personality. It’s worth checking out if only to read about his face-to-face meeting with George Steinbrenner, his complete thoughts on Jeter and why he intentionally threw at hitters.

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255 Responses to “Pedro on Jeter: “It’s impossible to make him change his approach””

  1. blake October 29th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    “do people ever barbecue meatloaf or is that a sacrilege ?”

    Yes….I have never done it but I’ve actually seen it be something to cook in contests before……also I would never BBQ a horse…..I would ride the horse to find a cow or pig to BBQ .

    Sounds like MTU is hooked on this BBQ joint he’s found

  2. blake October 29th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    For that 2-3 year period around 1999-2001 Pedro is the best pitcher I’ve ever seen …..he was fun to watch.

    He made the rivalry something that’s lacking today….. The sox are all gimmick these days…..I don’t like or respect really any of their players now. I don’t know if it’ll ever be like it was in the early 2000s again

  3. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Blake-

    It’s nice to have discovered that place.

    Between that and my hiking buddy I’ve got it made.

    :)

  4. luis October 29th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    luis October 29th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
    Randy,

    You are taking a particular excellent season from Soriano while Jeter’s was somewhat average for him…Even in this case if you decompose the stats you see very interesting things:

    OBP 332 Sori 373 Jeter
    SO 157 114
    SLG 547 421
    BB 23 73
    Hits 209 191
    RBI 102 75
    HR 39 18
    SB 42 32

    As I said, Soriano gives you power, while Jeter gives you better OBP, k’s less times and walks more, at a rate of 4-1 and keeps up with Sori in SB with a much higher success rate ( 3CS )…Again that was a particular excellent season from Sori… I mean, 42 Sb and 39 homers?? How many seasons have you seen a player do that??

    Still…He was and is a very good player…Just not on Jeter’s class if you ask me….

  5. Doreen October 29th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Did you guys see in the sidebar that the Cardinals and their families were sitting in a plane that had mechanical issues and had to wait for a new plane?

  6. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    The Cardinals should paint themselves as the victims and use their plane issues as motivation. They won’t.

  7. luis October 29th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Doreen,

    When it rains it poors :( Unfortunately this seems to be Boston’s year

  8. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Giuseppe Franco-

    assuming no PED problems,doesn’t it depend on how many more years of high quality stats he puts up.

    i really have no clue how much longer he’s going to keep going.

    also what if the red sox win another championship in addition to one in 2013?
    four rings with him leading his team would have some serious clout.

    ———–

    I think Ortiz eventually gets in the Hall regardless of the PED issue. If he continues to add hardware to his resume that obviously will strengthen his case.

    But I also think the rules, traditions, and qualifying benchmarks are also going to start to change (ie: “he’s only a DH” or he didn’t hit an x number of home runs).

    The baseball writers and those who vote now on the Hall seem to be a bunch of whiny stubborn old men who are stuck in their ways. That’s going to change sooner or later.

  9. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Jim Rice got into the HOF (mainly due to Peter Gammons’ lobbying) because he was the “most feared hitter” of his generation.

    David Ortiz most likely will get into the HOF using the same criteria.

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    “What I am trying to say is that probably you attacked him very viciously ( like you did to me at some point, remember the Laurel and Hardy thing? for example”)

    Calling you and “Pruf” Laurel and Hardy because he would absolutely trash people who didn’t support Montero (sob) and you’d jump in and high five him for it, thinking it was the funniest thing in the world, that was vicious? Seriously luis?

    You’re wrong that I attacked him very viciously, but I am happy you used the word “probably”, unlike him who swears that there are spies behind bushes.

    “What I think you are missing is who started it all…You did in JAP’s case, the same way that you started it with me a while back”

    And what you’re missing is that it wasn’t I who started it all with “Pruf”. He tore this entire forum apart with his Freddy Kruger imitation when Montero was traded. And I got caught in that crossfire because I didn’t swear a blood oath to him. So he started with his passive-aggressive bullcrap (“some people who pretend to” yada yada yada) and eventually brought the fangs out and used my name.

    And yes, luis, I started with you when I accused you of being a multiple. I have also apologized to you profusely for that. This would make about the 5th time. But feel free to bring it up yet again if it still isn’t enough.

    I do notice, however, that you managed to totally sidetrack the whole issue of him absolutely brutally tearing me apart and trashing me nonstop with his weird literary analogies and calling me all kinds of names and playing ping pong with that nitwit Unknown, referring to me as different fictional characters, all negative of course. I’m sure you saw it because it was going on continually. I never saw you tell him that what he was doing was unacceptable. Yet you take me to task for not publicly sticking up for Randy, who has done nothing but play the role of king a-hole to me?

    I’m sorry luis, but what you are doing IMO is nothing but both bullying and cowardly. That’s the way I see it.

    That said, I’m above playing schoolyard “I’m not your friend” because you hang around with the king of all bullies. So as far as I’m concerned, you’re not a problem. There are posters here who have called it wrong before and I’m sure there are some who will call it wrong in the future. And there are poster here who have played mickey the dope rather than show disloyalty to the forum god. I understand that not everyone has the same strength or conviction as everyone else. C’est la vie. People have to live with themselves.

  11. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    “Yes….I have never done it but I’ve actually seen it be something to cook in contests before……also I would never BBQ a horse…”

    i’ll tell you, this BBQ thing is getting more interesting each day.

  12. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    blake October 29th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    He made the rivalry something that’s lacking today….. The sox are all gimmick these days…..I don’t like or respect really any of their players now. I don’t know if it’ll ever be like it was in the early 2000s again

    —–

    I can’t say that I respect any Red Sock, perhaps for the exception of Ted Williams, but I’m especially not a fan of all the gimmicky stuff they do like the Idiots, Cowboy Up, and now with those ugly damn beards.

    Why does a winning baseball team need to have a stupid gimmick?

  13. luis October 29th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    GF,

    They have for the CY award….They will probably change in the HOF voters as well…. I am not that sure about the lack of position though…If the WAR voters prevail he might make it ( since he has no defensive metrics to hurt him )… I think he will make it, but through the veterans committee….If He makes it, how can you leave out Martinez??

  14. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    “I mean, 42 Sb and 39 homers?? How many seasons have you seen a player do that??

    Still…He was and is a very good player…Just not on Jeter’s class if you ask me….”

    luis,

    just think of the offense that the yankees had out of the middle infield . wow.

    i would have stayed put with that hand.

    alex was not home grown.

    i think soriano is a better fit as a yankee.

  15. luis October 29th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Trisha,

    I was not talking about that….I brought the Laurel and Hardy thing to give you an idea of the time frame…The stuff you mentioned is water under the bridge and very understandable given the circumstances

    I won’t talk about this anymore so please excuse me

  16. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Randy-

    You are slowly but surely being drawn into the gravitational pull of BBQ.

    Soon you will succumb to it’s power.

    :)

  17. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    mtu-

    i’m all in.

    i just need to get started.

  18. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....AFjU8Dbb2g

    WWBA World Championship 2013

    something interesting i rand into from twitter

  19. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    Blake and Mister Tom are the experts.

    They specialize in the cooking side.

    My specialty is consumption.

    Welcome aboard.

    BBQ is life affirming.

    :)

  20. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    It’s also really filling.

    :)

  21. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    luis, I don’t intend to talk about it anymore either. As I said, my gripe isn’t with you. I do like to keep issues separate. I think you are a reasonable enough human being to understand when points are being made. I neither want nor expect you to go any further than to at least silently understand.

    Peace out on this stuff with you.

  22. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Next I need a source of Cajun food.

    My absolute favorite.

    :)

  23. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    luis October 29th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    GF,

    They have for the CY award….They will probably change in the HOF voters as well…. I am not that sure about the lack of position though…If the WAR voters prevail he might make it ( since he has no defensive metrics to hurt him )… I think he will make it, but through the veterans committee….If He makes it, how can you leave out Martinez??

    —–

    I think Martinez eventually gets in too. He certainly deserves it.

    The DH has been part of the game now for nearly 40 yrs and there are no DHs in the Hall as of right now. And unless we’re talking about the 2013 Yankees the DH is usually a middle of the order hitter and one of the top run producers on the team.

    Someone is going to be the first one sooner later. I hope it’s Martinez. It would seem really stupid for MLB to create a position and then decide that it shouldn’t be represented in Cooperstown.

  24. luis October 29th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Randy,

    As you very well know I am for the homegrown core all the way…Yet, in 2004 we had a core in it’s prime and yes Sori was an incredible asset to have at 2nd base…But Arod was an incredible improvement given that we already had a core…Having said that, I do think that Soriano would have had a different career had he stayed with the Yankees…The way he played last season tells you all you need to know…He was born to be a Yankee

    Another thing to bear in mind is that if Soriano stays, we may not see Cano at all…that’s another player i think is in a class of his own…Maybe they move Sori to the OF and bring Cano up…I just think they would have traded him without a second thought…Heck, they offered him three times that we know of!

  25. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Anyone from the Big Easy who cooks Cajun style want to move to Utah to open up a restaurant ?

    :)

  26. Chad Jennings October 29th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Alright, all of this needs to end. I no longer care who started what. I’m sick of people pointing fingers like we’re in second grade. Being a jerk because someone else was a jerk is a little kid’s excuse. That needs to end.

    If you can’t handle a snarky or dismissive comment, then you need to find someplace other than an online forum in which to have a discussion. There’s no excuse for things getting mean and nasty and personal, but there has to be some level of thick skin. There must be civility, yes. But also an ability to handle yourself and remain on the high road when things get heated. You’re going to have to roll your eyes and move on once in a while.

    As far as I can tell, this is a fight between maybe three or four people, with another two or three who get engaged now and then because they either side more closely with one side or the other, or because they’re trying to fix the situation (or because they’re actively complaining about the situation). I have no side in this fight. I’m equally annoyed by all of it, not because of the opinions, but because this nonsense — people who simply don’t like each other and can’t be grown ups about it — has reached this level.

    I have always, since I took this job, been hesitant about banning people unless they’re truly offensive and problematic. But obviously some of you can’t handle that approach, so I’ll have to change it. If this fight continues in this manner, then I’m simply going to ban those who continue to bring it up and the rest of us will move forward. You’ll notice that many, many people here are able to disagree — and sometimes aggressively disagree — without creating this sort of childish nonsense.

    We don’t all have to be friends, but we do all have to be adults.

  27. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    And since it is nearly Halloween I was thinking about Halloweens past.

    One year I went to a Halloween party as a Physician.

    My name was Dr. Malcolm Practice.

    I just told people to call me “Mal”.

    :)

    P.S. I got really drunk on Ouzo which I affectionately nicknamed the “freight train” after that.

  28. luis October 29th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Randy and Pat M,

    If you guys are still around…. Do you honestly think that the arm guard is the reason no pitcher goes inside on him??

  29. Pat M. October 29th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Wouldn’t it be nice that once the 2013 World Series has concluded ( Cards in 7 I hope ) the LoHud membership could draw a line in the sand and leave the past just that , in the past and start anew and maybe get back to what made this place so good. Go back about a few years and read some of the postings and although there will be signs of negative infighting appearing , it pales in comparsion to what is now the norm. As much as Face and myself use to go at it for a few rounds, what’s the daily routine now is just depressing. LGY and Face don’t even want anything to do with the blog and they came to The LoHud wearing brass knuckles and ready to defend themselves against the likes of SJ, GB, and myself when issues took a wrong turn.

  30. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....AFjU8Dbb2g

    this is fascinating .

    more WWBA World Championship 2013

    baseball prospectus guy talking about sending his people into majors as scouting directors and other jobs.

  31. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Looks like Chad has finally reached his boiling point.

    Can’t say that I blame him.

    ;)

  32. Pat M. October 29th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    luis… I just read Chad’s post as it takes me forever to peck away and type. Solid post by the Bossman by the way… And to answer your question luis, yes I do thing that the elbow padding goes a long way to The Big Papi’s ability to own 3/4 of the plate. I’ve been drilled a few times in the elbow and there’s no way to express the pain other than it’s a 1,000 times worse than any funny bone whacking the average person has experienced. You cannot move your fingers

  33. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Fair enough, Chad. I don’t think there is anyone who would disagree with any of that.

    However, I don’t think there is any doubt that the blog has often turned into such a mess is due to the actions of one person.

    People are sick of it and we should be. Banning him only means he’ll be back tomorrow under a different moniker. Banning anyone else usually means they are gone for good.

    I’m not going to suggest that things never got nasty or heated in here before CR but there is no question that his continued transgressions has most everything to do with the blog getting to the point where you felt you needed to scold us.

  34. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    luis-

    i like sliders in the dirt to get the feet moving. plus you can’t get thrown out for a breaking ball in the dirt right?

    whopsie :)

  35. blake October 29th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    “As much as Face and myself use to go at it for a few rounds,”

    Yes but that’s the sweet spot of the site…..respectful discussion and disagreement at times.

  36. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Chad, strong post! I’m not a touchy feely kind of person, but in this case, group hug anybody? :)

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    “If this fight continues in this manner, then I’m simply going to ban those who continue to bring it up and the rest of us will move forward.”

    I’m in. And thank you.

  38. exiledintampa October 29th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Steinbrenner’s Ghost says:

    You know what’s the worst part about the saux winning, it will be years before the media stops talking about it. For the next several years, all we’ll hear is, “nobody has won more than the saux, since 2004?. As if baseball history only dates back to 2004.

    I so agree with this.

  39. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    On top of it all, Fred McGriff certainly enters la hall prior to, Big Poopie!

  40. luis October 29th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Pat M,

    Me too…And it does hurt…But why would it prevent a pitcher to go inside?…Maybe not hit the elbow, but go to the legs and move him out?…With a slider for instance?

    Chad,

    Solid post…I am sorry…I won’t do it again…But what GF says is spot on…think about it please

  41. blake October 29th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Trolls in general want to be talked about…..they love it when posters sit here and complain about them ruining the website because if you’re doing that then they have won. That’s what they want.

  42. jacksquat October 29th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Just checking to see if I’m banned. ;)

  43. luis October 29th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Randy,

    :D You beat me to it!! ;)

  44. mick October 29th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Testing 1-2-3….testing :)

  45. Cashmoney October 29th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    I remember the days when Pedro and Co consistently came inside on Jeter and no retaliation was made. The pitchers yanks had simply did not or could not go inside on guys like Ortiz or Manny, though Ortiz is more vulnerable to hard stuff inside.

  46. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    OK.

    I’ll take the heat.

    I caused it all.

    All the arguing, backbiting, etc.

    It’s all my fault.

    It was my Mossad training.

    I just couldn’t seem to shake it.

    Sorry. I’ll try to do better in the future. I promise.

    :(

  47. rr212 October 29th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Atta boy, Chad.

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    I suppose there’s a chance that the Cards can win it.

    I heard today that if the Sux win, it will be the first WS they’ve won on their own turf since – 1918.

    :evil:

    GO CARDS!

    Actually a Sux win for me doesn’t feel like the end of the world. I categorize responses to their winning on two different levels.

    Sux wins borne of a better team, minus any cheating, kill my soul.

    Sux wins borne of a better team that got there by way of cheating just makes my blood boil.

    A win this year would definitely be of the latter type. I see 2004 and 2007 as being of the same type.

  49. Cashmoney October 29th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Pedro was the most dominant pitcher i have seen in my time.

  50. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    I’ll go with Sandy.

  51. mick October 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Chad just threw the high ,hard one up and in.
    Way to flex some muscle here , I think you got your message across…much needed.
    I am sure there will be major improvement from here on out….

  52. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    “Trolls in general want to be talked about…..they love it when posters sit here and complain about them ruining the website because if you’re doing that then they have won. That’s what they want.”

    blake-

    i think poking fun at them also keeps them busy :)

    our resident troll has called me a few hundred times which takes him time and me none because i only calls i recognize.

    just think if instead of ignoring hi every single person on here gave him the collective finger. what’s he going to do call everyone.

    i think instead of ignoring him which gives him free time to bother any one particular person, we should attck him ,poke fun of him, challenge him, etc. he doesn’t have enough time in the day to go after everyone.

    your approach allows one guy with a gun to hold 1000 people hostage. my approach is get all 1000 to charge simultaneously . we win my way. your way. the guy makes us all behave.

    ii say screw him. CHARGE :)

  53. chicken_stanley October 29th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Good evening all. I’ve always belittled the Sox and their fans because they seem to take almost as much pleasure from Yankee misfortune as they do the good fortune of their own team. If I’m honest, I’m probably no better – a horrific Boston loss is almost as sweet as a Yankee win. While my hatred of the Sox isn’t going to abate anytime soon, I think I’ll hang up the agrument above :)

  54. blake October 29th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Randy ,

    You can cook pretty much anything you’d cook in an oven on a BBQ pit so long as you have a means of putting something between the flame and the food…..making it indirect heat instead of direct heat

    It has 2 advantages over the oven : 1) it gives that little subtle smoke flavor that makes almost all food taste better 2) you get to play with fire outside

  55. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Mick-

    If there isn’t people will start disappearing suddenly and w/o warning.

    Whoooosh and they’re gone. Like a gust of wind.

    That should be a pretty good deterrent.

    ;)

  56. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Go Cards! – save me from another ferret feral :D ( I don’t want to have to go on another bender about it all )

  57. Tar October 29th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Pedro was unbelievable.

    “We don’t all have to be friends, but we do all have to be adults.”

    Chad do adults use multiple handles? And what is your policy regarding that?

  58. Hankflorida October 29th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    I was trying to get into the last discussion of Soriano and Jeter, and as Luis reminded me, there was a new thread. If Soriano had remained at second base and as I remember he did not want to leave his second base position when he was with the Yankees, would we not have a better comparison to Jeter as both would be judged as infielders where there is a different perspective then one judges outfielders. Looking at Soriano’s offensive numbers if he had stayed at that position with a .272 BA and 406 home runs in 13 years and if he had a somewhat descent fielding average, does anyone think that he would not be a HOF candidate? Joe Gordon made the HOF from the Veterans Committee with a .268 BA and 253 home runs for 11 seasons. If I may deviate from this discussion using these numbers to point out the importance of resigning Cano who may be the greatest second basemen of all time.

  59. exiledintampa October 29th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    2) you get to play with fire outside

    Sign me up.

  60. Pat M. October 29th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    luis. As Cup pointed out bringing in a pitch that runs towards your feet makes you uncomfortable, but you as a pitcher knows that when a hitter crowds the plate it’s the arms that intrude upon your space and many guys are reluctant to come inside today like they once did. Also as I mentioned hitters just dig in and are fearless about getting stung in the elbow which is most vunerable. Take that badge of weak courage away and I doubt Big Papi isn’t going to be leaning and yanking pitches in such a fearless manner

  61. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    MTU, you can’t have Sandy, he’s busy throwing on two days rest in my backyard.

  62. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    blake-

    also quite a few of us have been taken one for the team in challenging this guy.

    a little help more help and he’d be on the run. he has nothing. no power. just phone calls. big deal.

    chad is powerless to do anything about banning him.

    what’s the downside of more of us challenging him ?

    trust me , you’ll feel good about yourself.

    ignoring him plays into his game.

    he gets to walk into a room and say fascist and hateful things.

    he does that in real life and he gets his ass kicked.

    your approach lets him walk into our room and do racsist , sexist, and hateful things and you say ignore him.

    no, i say charge.
    everyone go after him.
    including chad if he has any baseballs.

  63. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    blake October 29th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Trolls in general want to be talked about…..they love it when posters sit here and complain about them ruining the website because if you’re doing that then they have won. That’s what they want.

    ——

    Yeah, but of course we’re not talking about some standard troll.

    Trolls don’t threaten you and post your private info for all to see or harass your mother in the middle of the night trying to get your phone number.

    People don’t deserve that crap.

  64. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Bob Gibson didn’t care where he hit ya’ or how often.

    Sometimes he just did it cause he didn’t like your face.

    You did not want to mess with him.

    You would come out on the short end every time.

    :)

  65. tbone1570 October 29th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Chad Jennings October 29th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Alright, all of this needs to end.

    ******************************

    Chad laying down the law!

  66. Tar October 29th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Pat M great point about body armor.

    It really has changed the way hitters and batters approach the plate.

  67. Pat M. October 29th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Pedro was a monster for a few years but Sandy Koufax was King Kong, He was the best pitcher during a time when the best hitters baseball had ever known where playing. In the era of the pitcher he was baseball’s best pitcher

  68. pat October 29th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    I you nbeed a basebal fix toay, Gold Glove Award Show on ESPN2 now.

  69. pat October 29th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    “I you nbeed a basebal fix toay”

    otherwise known as …… if you need a baseball fix today.

  70. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    .. and chad i’m sure does have plenty of baseballs.

    he’s just trying to be smart in a mid eastern kind of way.

    im saying that isn’t working so why not attack the attacker.

    keep him busy

    really busy

    fingers down to nubs calling people.

    he can’t be making post if he’s calling me or you or someone ;)

  71. luis October 29th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Pat m,

    I guess the game has become too politically correct?!…If I were out there I would not hesitate to move him out of the box and my strikezone… Oops! there i go again ;0

  72. chicken_stanley October 29th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Bob Gibson didn’t care where he hit ya’ or how often.

    Sometimes he just did it cause he didn’t like your face.

    You did not want to mess with him.

    You would come out on the short end every time.

    ———————————–

    I went to a sports memorabilia show with my brother recently (he’s currently trying have a complete 1964 set autographed… my job is to keep him company and take pictures). This year, one of the autographs he got was Gibson… I’m here to tell you, that man has not mellowed! While he was very courteous, he gave off a tangible vibe that he would tolerate no nonsense!

  73. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

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    Eventually, if the experiment is a success he might even BE Sandy.

    Won’t be easy but I am trying using all of my powers.

    :)

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    True but I was just talking in general. I understand what you’re saying….

  75. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Chicken-

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    What a privilege to have actually have met him.

    One of my all time faves.

    :)

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  78. Pat M. October 29th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

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  79. luis October 29th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Bob Gibson was on a class of his own…I believe the mound was lowered just because of him

  80. Tar October 29th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    We can be adults….. but we shouldn’t be subjected to terroristic threats either.

    And BTW what you are doing is against the law, I have checked. It’s only a matter of time until you get that unexpected knock on your door.

    Now all we need is your name.

  81. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Luis-

    I used to love watching the way Gibson’s curve would sweep in from outer space.

    And the way he could annihilate you with his heater.

    And then of course the intimidation factor.

    He was a tremendous athlete.

    I don’t think I will ever forget him or the excitement he brought each and every time he took the mound.

  82. blake October 29th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

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    October 29, 2013 at 8:09 pm
    blake, Im not a troll. I hope you’re not referring to me.

    I was speaking in generalities but I don’t understand why you’re doing these things you are doing.

    You have said before that all you want is to come here and talk baseball…..why not just do that?

  83. mick October 29th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Gibson would have had an answer for Papi, you can be sure of that.

    The ball , as McCarver stated last night, looks like a cantalope with seams to him right now.
    (Wonder why)

  84. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Koufax had that same quality.

    A phenomenon.

    A wonder to behold.

    Awe inspiring.

    In a class of his own.

    :)

  85. chicken_stanley October 29th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    My perspective on the body armor – its not much that the elbow is the most sensitve area to get hit (don’t get me wrong – it hurts like hell but there are other areas that hurt me just as much – the ribs for one). What makes the armor so effective is that the arms and upper body are what goes over the plate when you, as a batter, dive in or take possession of the plate. If you get hit on the elbow and get a case of the numb-arm you subconciously are hesitant to dive in. Getting hit in the ribs is much like throwing at the lower body – it causes the batter to move and may cause some (or a lot of) pain but its not quite as effective in moving a batter back in future at bats

    JMO

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  87. luis October 29th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    MTU,

    never got the chance to see him live ( i was a toddler then ) … But I’ve seen videos of the guy…he was intimidating with a huge curve and a tantalazing FB…Scary in deed

  88. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    If the word “electric” is used to describe the stuff of today’s better pitchers.

    Koufax’s stuff would have been electric enough to light a City.

    :)

  89. Tar October 29th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    Pedro was fun to watch. It was kind of cool that the Yankees sort of had his number.

    I guess I need to check the stats, but I would have to say the Yankees had reached a higher level of success than the average team vs Pedro.

  90. mick October 29th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Koufax had that same quality.
    ====================
    He was the best.
    Don’t forget about Marichal and Drysdale either.

    I have a picture of myself with Whitey Ford that is staring at me as we speak.
    What a serious look he has on his face.

    Even in his 80′s he’s intimidating and he threw soft stuff..

  91. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Luis-

    His curve was the very definition of a ball rolling off the end of a table at the last moment.

    I just can describe what it was like to watch him.

    Like I said in a class by himself.

  92. luis October 29th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Tar,

    The strategy was to keep the game close until he was either out or out of gas…it usually paid off…But he was as dominant as any pitcher I have ever seen

  93. chicken_stanley October 29th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Bob Gibson was on a class of his own…I believe the mound was lowered just because of him

    ——————————-

    Hi Luis. I think youre right (at least the story goes that the mound lowered due to Gibson). Without looking it up I’m thinking it was lowered after Gibby’s monster ’86 season

  94. GregD October 29th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    how is everyone doing tonight? not much happening in Yankee land………I do expect some action over the next 6 weeks though……

  95. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    I don’t think Gibson would be able to get away with all the brush backs if he played today.

    He’d probably have the reputation of a dirty player instead and would certainly be fined and suspended with that kind of approach.

  96. GregD October 29th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    68 season

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    OK guys have to go watch some NBA-let’s keep it organic, just like this,,,,

  98. luis October 29th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    F O Mick

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  100. Tar October 29th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    “I don’t think Gibson would be able to get away with all the brush backs if he played today.”

    That’s another good point. Body armor and “money” have changed the way pitchers and batters go about their business. Too much money at stake to be throwing inside.

  101. chicken_stanley October 29th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    I have a picture of myself with Whitey Ford that is staring at me as we speak.
    What a serious look he has on his face.

    ——————-

    Quick story about Whitey… same sports memorabilia show I mentioned earlier, only about 3 or 4 years ago. One of the autographs my brother got that year was Whitey. When we got to the front of the line, Whitey said “do you guys mind holding on for 5 minutes?” Of course we said no problem. The reason Whitey wanted to take a break was that Jennie Finch was in a booth close by and was preparing to leave. Whitey proceeded to get a big hug and throw out lines to her like he was 25. After a few minutes and a few hugs, he came back, sat down and stared at us with a solemn expression for about 10 seconds… Then he smiled and said “did you see that? Oh my God!!”

  102. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Herb Score was another.

    His stuff was off the charts.

    Hit in the head by a line drive.

    Robbed of what would have been a stellar career.

  103. luis October 29th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Hey Chicken!

    GF,

    The game has become too politically correct…I always laugh at an scene of “Field of dreams”, when the batter ( Burt lancaster young version ) asked the ump to please warn the pitcher and he turns to the batter and says, ok you have been warned…be carefull with your ear…LOL

  104. chicken_stanley October 29th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    GregD – thanks… I’m a little dyslexic tonight :)

  105. Tar October 29th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Good story Chicken.

    Not really…. I just didn’t want you to think nobody was talking to you. :D

  106. Tar October 29th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    I kid I kid it was a great story

  107. Pat M. October 29th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    There’s Cy Young winners and then there’s Sandy Koufax …. I was only 11 but the first time I saw Sandy Koufax was for Game 1 at The Stadium with my Dad about 10 rows up behind home plate of the 1963 World Series. I watched him buzz saw through the vaulted NY Yankee lineup. He whiffed the first 5 guys and ended with 15 k’S

  108. luis October 29th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Good story Chicken!

  109. chicken_stanley October 29th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Tar – Ha! No worries – I wasn’t pointing to you last night. Hope you don’t think so… Just a frustrating night on the blog!

  110. GregD October 29th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    chicken_stanley October 29th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
    GregD – thanks… I’m a little dyslexic tonight :)

    ——————–
    happens to me all the time…… :)

  111. pat October 29th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Pedroia beats out Cano for GG

  112. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Like I said.

    It seems to be a Red Sux year.

    ;)

  113. luis October 29th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Just saw it pat…. Although i do believe he is deserving…UZR unfairly punishes Cano…I don’t know why, but that 0,8 UZR doesn’t seem right

  114. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    LOL. Yeah, I’d leave the autograph seekers for an opportunity to hug Jennie Finch too.

  115. Tar October 29th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Chicken I totally get it, thats why i was kidding you.

  116. chicken_stanley October 29th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    LOL. Yeah, I’d leave the autograph seekers for an opportunity to hug Jennie Finch too.

    ————–

    I don’t know if you guys listen to Steve Czaban on the radio; if so…. she’s a #1,#1!!!

  117. mick October 29th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    luis October 29th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    F O Mick
    =========
    Excuse me luis?

  118. Cashmoney October 29th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    There’s Cy Young winners and then there’s Sandy Koufax

    i have never seen Sandy pitch but I have seen Pedro dominanting a powerful cleveland and yankees lineup in his hayday. I think Sandy might have had better stamina than Pedro as all pitchers of Sandy’s era went deep into the game , but honestly i can’t picture anyone is that much better than Pedro for a period about 5 years.

    jmo.

  119. Pat M. October 29th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Cashmoney… Keep in mind that Koufax was the unanimous CY Young winner ( only one award for both leagues ) and he won the Pitcher’s Triple Crown three times and once again not just the NL but for both leagues.

  120. Cashmoney October 29th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Pat M, understood, I think Pedro only duplicate that triple crown feat once in his dominant years, Era wise, Koufax (to no fault of his own) pitched in a pitching predominant era while Pedro did it in the roids era. but that’s the fun of baseball, we will never know for sure. I will need to look up Pedro and Sandy stats to see if they are any stats to back up my fuzzy memories.

    like I said, Pedro was awfully good…I think he can at least be included in the conversation. Sandy was more dominant in the playoff for sure though.

  121. Pat M. October 29th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Cash….One thing to keep in mind though is that in the 60′s MLB 500 homerun plateau was being hammered . in the NL you had Mays, Aaron, Matthews, Banks, McCovey, Robinson. Yeah the roid era and the smaller ballparks were a huge testament to Pedro’s nastiness stuff. Great change

  122. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    pat m-

    i’m pretty sure it was jerkface who put out some saber stats that “proved” pedro was the best pitcher ever.

    now , i may totally wrong, but i think it was jerkface who posted that.

  123. RhapsodyInBlue October 29th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    I agree with MTU, Koufax was the best.

    Koufax was the 63, 65 and 66 Cy Young award winner when there was just one winner for both leagues and he was also the triple crown winner those three years and again his numbers topping both leagues.

    Koufax and I think Ryan are the only two in the hall with more strikesouts than innings pitched.

  124. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    ‘ in the NL you had Mays, Aaron, Matthews, Banks, McCovey, Robinson”

    pat m-

    i think that was the golden age of baseball.

    i think those players were the best ever.

    if koufaz dominated then, and he did, he’s the best ever.

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