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State of the organization: Left field

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Alfonso Soriano

With Brett Gardner having transitioned to his more natural center field position, left field at Yankee Stadium belongs to the former Yankees second baseman who came back to the Bronx and provided a legitimate down-the-stretch spark this year. But that’s only the state of the organization for 2014. Beyond next season, left field is a total mystery.

SorianoALFONSO SORIANO
Signed through 2014
If he had enough at-bats to qualify, Soriano would have finished fifth in American League slugging percentage this season. He showed up at the end of July, hit 17 homers, slugged .525 and proved to be perhaps the best trade deadline acquisition in baseball. He did exactly what the Yankees wanted him to do, and far exceeded what they could have reasonably expected him to do. Now the question is, can he do that again for a full season? And even if a repeat of his .256/.325/.525 slash line is too much to ask — until the trade, Soriano hadn’t hit like that since 2008 — is it reasonable to hope for something close to his 2012 production (.262/.322/.499)? With Robinson Cano and Curtis Granderson heading toward free agency, the Yankees desperately need power, and Soriano could provide that for another year. He’ll be 38 next season, but the Yankees aren’t in this for the long term. They need one more productive season, and Soriano’s triumphant return to the Bronx certainly suggests he’s capable of such a thing. He’s going to strike out a lot, but as long as Soriano is driving the ball, he can play a significant role in the Yankees depleted lineup.

AlmonteREADY REPLACEMENTS
If we’re talking about a depth chart here, the Yankees have Vernon Wells and Ichiro Suzuki under contract as either platoon right fielders or backup corner outfielders. If the Yankees need someone to fill-in for Soriano for  a day, they’re covered. But that’s not really what we’re talking about with ready replacements. The better focus here is on Zoilo Almonte. The switch-hitter has played both outfield corners in his career — and a little center field — but this season he focused on left field in both the big leagues and in Triple-A. He’s also played almost exclusively in left field this winter. That’s not to say he couldn’t compete for a right field job in spring training, but he would certainly seem to be at or near the top of the left field list should something happen to Soriano. As a general rule, Almonte’s long-term future seems closer to fourth outfielder than productive everyday player, but he did slug .487 in Double-A last year and he hit .297/.369/.421 in Triple-A this season. There’s something at least vaguely interesting about the bat — especially against right-handed pitching — and Almonte has positioned himself as the most advanced outfield prospect in the system. His opportunity, though, could be fairly limited. If he gets a chance, he’ll need to produce quickly or else be forgotten.

FloresTOP PROSPECT
Soriano is pretty solid proof that a future left field standout won’t necessarily play left field in the minors. Young center fielders and second basemen could very well end up in left field at some point, so you could consider anyone from Slade Heathcott to Rob Refsnyder to be a legitimate left field prospect at this point. And as for ready replacements, Ronnier Mustelier and Adonis Garcia could easily fit into the left field discussion. But as for top prospects currently playing left field, the best in the Yankees system is still probably Ramon Flores. Entering this season, Flores was kind of a second-tier outfield prospect behind the Heathcott-Williams-Austin trio. Getting on base is his calling card, and he had a .353 on-base percentage in Double-A Trenton this year. He also hit .260 and slugged just .363. He stole seven bases and was thrown out six times. Basically, he does seem to have an advanced eye and a patient approach at the plate — and he can play some center field, which helps — but does a low-power, not-overwhelming-speed guy really have a big league future in left field? Brett Gardner was crowded into the role by circumstance, but he was always considered a better talent than Flores is considered today. If Flores were a shortstop or second baseman, his offensive potential might be viewed differently.

GamelSTATE OF THE ORGANIZATION
In the past three decades or so, the Yankees have had quite a bit of turnover in left field. Hideki Matsui held down the position for a while, but there’s also been a lot of mixing and matching there. For next season, the Yankees seem to have the position very nearly set in stone with Soriano, but everything about the Yankees outfield is a complete mystery beyond 2014. Soriano, Gardner, Wells and Ichiro are each free agents after next season, and it’s telling that Almonte is the system’s most advanced young outfielder, because he’s hardly a sure thing to have any sort of impact in either the short term or the long term. Deep in the system, third-round draft pick Nathan Mikolas has primarily played left field, but he’s also 19 with a long, long way to go. In A-ball, Ben Gamel has been a nice young player, but he’s more of a fringy prospect than a standout. Left field is typically less predictable than other positions, if only because so many players can eventually slide into that role, and the Yankees are certainly facing significant unpredictability at the position. Honestly, just try to answer this question right now: Who do you think will be the Yankees Opening Day left fielder in 2015? Your guess is as good as mine.

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  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    luis – read again from my previous post:

    “And about the veiled threat – I have let CR 9 know in every language possible that I believe that behavior is reprehensible, even if he is doing it just to get a rise of out of the person.”

    “I’ve just said that I think it is reprehensible when CR 9 threatens someone. Let’s see you say it’s reprehensible when “Pruf” calls me horrible names, makes up lies about me, and goes on libelous rants about me.”

    I’ve talked to CR about these behaviors multiple times. Because I don’t excoriate him on the forum doesn’t mean I haven’t confronted it. How about you? Have you emailed “Pruf” and told him his name calling, defamatory accusations, and the like are unacceptable?

    I hope you see my point.

    Have you ever seen Randy call me and others names?

    Just something to think about.

    Later.

  2. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    GF – I hate cheating. I believe this Sux team got to where it did by having at least several dirty players. So kill me.

    —-

    You are fighting an endless losing battle because you are never going to eliminate cheating in the game of baseball (or any sport for that matter).

    We will all be dead and buried (or in CR’s case, living all eternity in the extreme heat) before the sport has rid itself of cheating of every form.

    A game that is more strict on the rules and enforces harsh penalties only ensures that the players will be more creative, innovative, and tougher to catch in the act.

  3. joeman October 29th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    trisha…Sox in 6

  4. joeman October 29th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    if Sori can get them 30/100 next year ..sweet

  5. joeman October 29th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    a healthy Tex should get close to that

  6. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    tar-

    some will not touch it that mariano and jeter wil always know more about the game and about other players in the game than any of us on this board ever will.

    they believe that experience doesn’t matter. they believe that a law degree ,medical degree, mba, or doctorate makes them equal to mariano and jeter in baseball knowledge.

    it doesn’t and never will. does it make jeter and maraino better human beings ? no, but both are pretty amazing separate from the baseball.

    my point is people need to know when to defer to authority. jeter and mariano are authority when it comes to yankee baseball .

    jeter and rivera don’t care about ortiz and PEDS. they are not concerned about it. they know more than you. defer to them. use them as a guide.
    give up your own ego that says you know more than they do.
    you don’t.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Because Jeter and Rivera may not care about PEDs, we shouldn’t?

    You really have no sense of reality.

    None.

  8. mick October 29th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    trish-they are in a fraternity, don’t you get that?

  9. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Blake-

    If you’re out there.

    Went back to “Dickey’s” for a second helping today.

    Tried the pulled pork and smoked ham.

    Both excellent.

    :)

  10. mick October 29th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    MTU-
    You liked No Country for old Men, right?

  11. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    ” With Robinson Cano and Curtis Granderson heading toward free agency, the Yankees desperately need power, and Soriano could provide that for another year. He’ll be 38 next season…”

    thirty eight

    38

    thirty plus eight

    1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=38

    why does this number seem so familiar?

    oh, right.
    it’s the age some believe a player can’t perform well on unless on PEDS.

    so why are the yankees going with a 38 year old soriano then?

    do they believe its possible to have a good year without PEDS at age 38 ?

    i’m kinda guessing that’s what they’re thinking.

  12. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Mick-

    Absolutely.

    I’m a big Coen bros. fan.

    Like most of their stuff.

    Also a Cormack McCarthy fan.

  13. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    My favorite Coen Bros. is “Blood Simple”.

    Didn’t get as much play as some of the others but IMO it is excellent.

  14. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    mtu-

    where you like cormac mccarthy so much

    maybe you need a horse to ride around the desert on.

    i could see that.

    better ask your wife first :)

  15. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Anybody else see fit to have BBQ today ?

    :)

  16. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    i just saw really good meatloaf being made for dinner.

    do people ever barbecue meatloaf or is that a sacrilege ?

    see how well i defer to those with experience :)

  17. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    mtu -

    i know if i did have a horse i liked i wouldn’t go anywhere near blake’s or tomingeorgis’ house.

  18. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    I think “The Counselor” is a McCarthy.

    Might just have to spring to see that one.

    I tried to read his classic “Suttree” but I was so complex and difficult I gave up on it.

    I constantly needed to consult a dictionary.

    :(

  19. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Randy-

    I have a horse that I ride all over the desert.

    It’s called an ATV.

    And I just happen to be taking it out Friday.

    I call it my mechanical horse.

    Not as romantic but way easier to deal with than a horse.

  20. mick October 29th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Mtu- Just saw the Counselor, that’s why I asked.
    Go see it…

  21. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Utah is big time horse country.

    Very popular.

    It’s also great ATV country.

    Sh*t. It’s great outdoors anything country.

    ;)

  22. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    mtu-

    an ATV would be much safer to visit blake or tom in georgia on. tomingeorgia might try to BBQ the tires, but blake doesn’t have a BBQ big enough .

    a horse would definitely be a risk. that’s not just me either. i’ll bet neither of them has has anyone visit on a horse. just saying.

  23. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    OK Mick.

    I might have to give that one a try.

    I normally just wait till they hit Redbox but every now and then I make an exception.

    Thanks for the tip.

    :)

  24. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Randy-

    I think you’re think of a French thing.

    We generally can do better here.

    :)

  25. mick October 29th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    MTU

    How did you decide on Utah?

  26. Hankflorida October 29th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Soriano should be at DH against right-handed pitching and Granderson should be resigned. It would be nice if Almonte could platoon with Welles but the Yanks may have to sign someone like Choo to give them Swisher numbers in right field. In my day, there wes a one in eight chance of getting to the World Series and today there is a three in fifteen in getting to the post season. Since the odds are more favorable today, Hal does not have to up the ante to stay in the game if your playing for the Wildcard.

  27. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Mick-

    I was working for Las Vegas company called LECO (laboratory equipment Co.).

    They built portable computerize chemical analyzers.

    I was a repairman.

    There was a mining company out this way that had one that needed service and I got sent out to Utah to fix it from Vegas.

    I’d never been up that way.

    I fell in love with it at first sight.

    After that we would come up to Utah as often as we could to recreate.

    The more we came the more we liked it.

    When the time to pick a more permanent spot came the vote was unanimous.

    We’ve been here ever since.

    In essence, I guess you could say it was an accident, or if you believe- Fate.

    ;)

  28. mick October 29th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Interesting story MTU.
    How long you out there?

  29. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Mick-

    We been here since ’05.

    We just missed the big Flood of 05.

    The one that wiped out a whole bunch of houses and stuff.

    You live in the City don’t you ? Or elsewhere ?

  30. JobaTipsHisCap October 29th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    of course sux wins tomorrow night’s game. that’s lock. If there is a game thread, that would be double lock. no need to watch the game, if that’s the case.

    cards make themselves look so bad.

    accept the fact that better team wins best of 7 series.

  31. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    I miss living in the country. Go straight out with your morning coffee in your boxer shorts, and wind yourself down in a forgetful state of mind. And in the winter, its snowshoes and frozen creeks.

    Stunning.

  32. mick October 29th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Might have to visit Utah someday…

  33. mick October 29th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    I miss living in the country. Go straight out with your morning coffee in your boxer shorts,
    =====================
    I do that at times but get dirty looks from the neighbors.

  34. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    I’ve been out West for over 30 yrs.

    I love it out here.

    Sparse population, lot’s of open land, big vistas, nice climate, etc.

    I’ve lived in So. Cal, Nevada, New Mexico, and now Utah.

    Utah is the best of the lot IMO. New Mexico is a close 2nd.

  35. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Mick, let ‘em bother themselves to death, those peering through the drapes types.

  36. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    “I’ve been out West for over 30 yrs.”

    i didn’t know witness protection went back that far :)

  37. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Mick-

    You should treat yourself to that Mick.

    If it weren’t for tourism I don’t think Utah would exist.

    As far as being out in my skivvies I do it. Privacy is good though.

    The Mesa in front of our backyard rarely says a word about it.

    And the River below just babbles on about it.

    :)

    :)

  38. austinmac October 29th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Of all our old guys, Soriano looks most like he did 15 years ago. Same body and same hands. Pretty remarkable.

  39. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Mac-

    Wish I could say the same.

    :(

  40. mick October 29th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    You should treat yourself to that Mick.
    =========================
    I just might show up at your doorstep, so be careful MTU.

  41. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    ” If we took a holiday, some time to celebrate…..” – ok, Madonna, I’m too lazy to turn the bathroom radio off. Mick, maybe if we’re all still alive and the Prelude is willing, I can give you a lift to MTU’s. MTU, you got a record player?

  42. mick October 29th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    There is some heavy dialogue and scenes in Counselor a la Old Men.
    You have to stay with it, it’s deep man.
    Heavy sh!t….

  43. Doreen October 29th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    How bad can the minor leagues of the Yankees be? Last year, 2012, the Scranton Team won a championship in spite of having no home field.

    This season, 2013, this:

    http://www.milb.com/news/artic.....8;sid=t567

  44. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Just bring Tom and Blake with you and any other LoHudder who wants to have their eyes opened.

    JCPD has been out this way.

    And so has Upstate Kate.

    I hope to have a Venezuelan contingent too.

    :)

  45. austinmac October 29th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    MTU,

    Put your pants on and talk baseball. :)

  46. mick October 29th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Mills-
    I like the Bee Gees “Holiday” better.
    “Words” is another favorite.
    I could send if you want…

  47. mick October 29th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Plan the party MTU.
    Invite a diverse group of LoHud friends…

  48. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Mills-

    As long as you promise not to do a Thelma and Louise you be cool.

    I’ve got a Nakamichi cassette player.

    No turntable. Sorry brother.

  49. austinmac October 29th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Doreen,

    They use AAAA guys a lot on the team. They don’t represent much youth.

  50. mick October 29th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Mills-
    Have you seen the movie Napoleon Dynamite?

  51. mick October 29th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    As long as you promise not to do a Thelma and Louise you be cool.
    ==================
    Tell him not to do a Sylvia Plath.

  52. austinmac October 29th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Jmills,

    I like Holiday from the Kinks’ Arthur album best of all.

  53. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    They’re on Mac.

    I’m ready. Batter up.

    What’s the topic ?

    ;)

  54. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    Mick, one of the albums one of my sisters handed me down was a compilation album of the bee gees prior to Jive Talking, so I know what you’re conversing about mon ami. You can post ” words ” etc if you want, but don’t have to worry, thanks.

  55. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    “Of all our old guys, Soriano looks most like he did 15 years ago. Same body and same hands. Pretty remarkabl”

    i hated to see soriano leave the yankees.

    i thought he was a better hitter than jeter at times.

  56. luis October 29th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Good afternoon guys again,

    last post about this:

    Trisha…What I think you are missing is who started it all…You did in JAP’s case, the same way that you started it with me a while back…What I am trying to say is that probably you attacked him very viciously ( like you did to me at some point, remember the Laurel and Hardy thing? for example )… We have all done things that we regret later on…It seems that you forget that sometimes you attack people and then expect to be treated nicely…I am at fault as well…

    Then…Unfortunately there have been some issues raised about your relationship with you know who…I do think that you need to find a way to clear that out…What way that is? I have no clue..

    Sorry everybody, I won’t touch this issue again…Please Trisha excuse me if I don’t answer any more posts about this.

  57. luis October 29th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    MTU,

    Sooner than you expect!! ;)

  58. mick October 29th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Here mills

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JECTUQVrvzE

  59. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    I don’t know Napoleon Dynamite or that Kinks # from their Arthur album – call me, dirty ignorant.

    Me, Thelma and Louise, Plath in tow going over a cliff, sounds like a party! :)

  60. mick October 29th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    I started a joke

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkG4oIPT7tU

  61. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Mick, thanks for the tunes, am listening while I slice things apart in the kitchen.

  62. luis October 29th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Randy,

    Soriano better than Jeter?? Nah!! More power certainly…But Jeter was light years better situational hitter, even though he was aggresive as hell at times as well….But when it counted, I don’t think I ever wanted another hitter more at the batter box than Jeter…

    Soriano tended to expand the zone in important at bats…I still have nightmares of his at bats in the 2003 WS….I remember particularly a 3-2 count where he swung at a pitch so high that the catcher had to stand up to catch it… Having said the above, he did seem to have learned to be more patient…He was shot in the arm to dying offense this season.

    Also…I think the trade for Arod was a very good one…He was clearly a much better player…The mistake was to give arod that ridiculous extension once he opted out

  63. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Luis-

    We offer shelter from the storm.

    You know that.

    :)

  64. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Ooooh the storm is raging, around my very life today…..

  65. luis October 29th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    I know that my friend ;)

  66. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Nothing makes us feel better out this way than delivering people from oppression.

    This is the West.

    It’s wide open and the pioneer spirit is alive and well.

    We are a welcoming and compassionate people.

    :)

  67. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    MTU, I’ve had a chance to drive through Oregon ( some great red wines ) and Washington state, lucky me.

  68. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    And unlike in many other places we have plenty of room for ya’.

    ;)

  69. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Yes Sir.

    Both beautiful in their own way.

    Oregon is a real gem.

    I need to go and spend some more time there.

  70. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    One of my favourite jazz bands with amazing female vocals, is from Oregon – Pink Martini. Saw them at old Massey Hall in Toronto, one of Glenn Gould’s only acoustically relevant venues.

  71. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    The Columbia River Gorge has great appeal for me as a Photographer.

    I’ve seen some incredible stuff come out of there.

  72. Hankflorida October 29th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Luis, in the last thread, you said that Ortiz has made an impact on the game, and I agree with you but do you think he has the clout for the HOF? My reasons are that he is not a candidate are a .287 BA and 417 home runs for 17 years, being a DH and a black cloud of PED’s hanging over his head.

  73. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    BBQ, Travelogue, Hiking advice, Movie critiques, music, Legal and medical advice, tips on healthy lifestyles and nutrition, and Yankee baseball.

    What more could anyone ask of a Blog ?

    :)

  74. Pat M. October 29th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    In my opinion, I think the level of distain for The BoSox was raised to sheer hate due to their success and the failed 2013 season for the NY Yankees. Almost like trying to blame them for our failures. As for Ortiz owning the inner portion of the plate and much like Bonds and many others , is the allowance to wear this invincible padded elbow guard. It has a purpose for guys who are coming back from sustaining an injury to the elbow . It shouldn’t be allowed for a prolonged period of time. Take away the padding and I assure you these dudes aren’t leaning in over the plate anymore.

  75. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    MTU, yep, I’d say we have it pretty good around here, a veritable ” feast of friends “. :)

    PatM, that’s interesting about the elbow protection view.

  76. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Either way Hotstove starts soon.

    And the Yankees have Team to build.

    ;)

  77. luis October 29th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Hank,

    You raise very good points…I don’t think he is HOF material either…Not with his numbers and lack of position…But that doesn’t take away the fact that he is probably the greatest DH in history along with Edgard Martinez from Seattle… About PED’s, I am not that sure it will impact him particularly since he hasn’t been caught officially…In the end, I think most of the HOFers that took PEDs will enter the Hall…

  78. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    “Soriano better than Jeter?? Nah!! More power certainly…But Jeter was light years better situational hitter, even though he was aggresive as hell at times as well”

    luis-

    in 2002 soriano had an .880 OPS to jeter’s .794 OPS.

    soriano was the much better hitter at that point in time.

    over their careers because jet has remained so consistent he’s a better hotter than soriano.

    but for whole years at a time soriano had the better stats.

    http://www.baseball-reference......2002.shtml

  79. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    I’d put Joe Carter, Fred McGriff and Delgado in the hall prior to, Ortiz, what does that say?

  80. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    “In my opinion, I think the level of distain for The BoSox was raised to sheer hate due to their success and the failed 2013 season for the NY Yankees. Almost like trying to blame them for our failures.”

    pat m-

    that about nails it .

  81. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Count me as another one who thinks Ortiz will eventually be selected to the Hall of Fame.

    I don’t have to like it (which has nothing to do with PEDs) but I strongly believe it will happen.

  82. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Giuseppe Franco-

    assuming no PED problems,doesn’t it depend on how many more years of high quality stats he puts up.

    i really have no clue how much longer he’s going to keep going.

    also what if the red sox win another championship in addition to one in 2013?
    four rings with him leading his team would have some serious clout.

  83. Cashmoney October 29th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    if the yanks had Ortiz, they probably would have been a better team in 13. whether or not he gets hof is really of no interest to me. I am more of a team and championship guy. If boston does, David Ortiz would have been an instrumental force in their almost dynastic run since 04.

    I am more interested looking at teams like st louis or boston and see if there is anything we can learn from them to make this yankee team better.

  84. jmills October 29th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Ortiz is a dh, won’t reach 500 – tradition says he won’t get in.

  85. luis October 29th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Randy,

    You are taking a particular excellent season from Soriano while Jeter’s was somewhat average for him…Even in this case if you decompose the stats you see very interesting things:

    OBP 332 Sori 373 Jeter
    SO 157 114
    SLG 547 421
    BB 23 73
    Hits 209 191
    RBI 102 75
    HR 39 18
    SB 42 32

    As I said, Soriano gives you power, while Jeter gives you better OBP, k’s less times and walks more, at a rate of 4-1 and keeps up with Sori in SB with a much higher success rate ( 3CS )…Again that was a particular excellent season from Sori… I mean, 42 Sb and 39 homers?? How many seasons have you seen a player do that??

    Still…He was and is a very good player…Just not on Jeter’s class if you ask me….

  86. Hankflorida October 29th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    As I remember, Soriano did not want to leave his second base position when he was with the Yankees. Looking at his offensive numbers if he had stayed at that position with a .272 BA and 406 home runs in 13 years and having a somewhat descent fielding average, do you think that he would be a HOF candidate? Joe Gordon made the HOF from the the Veterans Committee with a .268 BA and 253 home runs for 11 seasons. If these numbers do not make one appreciate Cano, nothing will!

  87. luis October 29th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Hank…new thread this way :arrow:

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    “What I am trying to say is that probably you attacked him very viciously ( like you did to me at some point, remember the Laurel and Hardy thing? for example”)

    Calling you and “Pruf” Laurel and Hardy because he would absolutely trash people who didn’t support Montero (sob) and you’d jump in and high five him for it, thinking it was the funniest thing in the world, that was vicious? Seriously luis?

    You’re wrong that I attacked him very viciously, but I am happy you used the word “probably”, unlike him who swears that there are spies behind bushes.

    “What I think you are missing is who started it all…You did in JAP’s case, the same way that you started it with me a while back”

    And what you’re missing is that it wasn’t I who started it all with “Pruf”. He tore this entire forum apart with his Freddy Kruger imitation when Montero was traded. And I got caught in that crossfire because I didn’t swear a blood oath to him. So he started with his passive-aggressive bullcrap (“some people who pretend to” yada yada yada) and eventually brought the fangs out and used my name.

    And yes, luis, I started with you when I accused you of being a multiple. I have also apologized to you profusely for that. This would make about the 5th time. But feel free to bring it up yet again if it still isn’t enough.

    I do notice, however, that you managed to totally sidetrack the whole issue of him absolutely brutally tearing me apart and trashing me nonstop with his weird literary analogies and calling me all kinds of names and playing ping pong with that nitwit Unknown, referring to me as different fictional characters, all negative of course. I’m sure you saw it because it was going on continually. I never saw you tell him that what he was doing was unacceptable. Yet you take me to task for not publicly sticking up for Randy, who has done nothing but play the role of king a-hole to me?

    I’m sorry luis, but what you are doing IMO is nothing but both bullying and cowardly. That’s the way I see it.

    That said, I’m above playing schoolyard “I’m not your friend” because you hang around with the king of all bullies. So as far as I’m concerned, you’re not a problem. There are posters here who have called it wrong before and I’m sure there are some who will call it wrong in the future. And there are poster here who have played mickey the dope rather than show disloyalty to the forum god. I understand that not everyone has the same strength or conviction as everyone else. C’est la vie. People have to live with themselves.

  89. David in Cal October 29th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    At an advanced age, Sori gets traded to the Yanks and reverses his decline, and has an outstanding partial season. Will his excellence continue? Sound familiar? I’m afraid Sori may be next year’s Ichiro.

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