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Today’s main event: Gold Glove winners announced

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Robinson Cano, Alfonso SorianoThe 2013 Gold Glove Awards will be announced on ESPN2 tonight beginning at 8 p.m. ET. The Yankees have only one finalists, Robinson Cano, who’s going for his third Gold Glove in the past four years.

There is really no defensive statistic that I fully trust and believe in. Defense has proven to be perhaps the toughest thing to statistically measure in baseball, but it is interesting that several of these stats seem to agree that Cano was not up to the standard of the other two American League second base finalists.

I believe Cano’s a very good defensive player, but Dustin Pedroia has shown several times this offseason that he’s also a fine second baseman able to make some great plays. Pedroia was also announced as the Fielding Bible Award winner at second base, which is a pretty good indication that the advanced metrics show he was a better second baseman than Cano this season.

Here are the three American League Gold Glove finalists:

ROBINSON CANO
Fielding percentage: .991
Errors: 6
Ultimate Zone Rating: 0.8
Defensive WAR: 1.2

DUSTIN PEDROIA
Fielding percentage: .993
Errors: 5
Ultimate Zone Rating: 10.9
Defensive WAR: 2.3

BEN ZOBRIST
Fielding Percentage: .993 (in 125 games at 2B)
Errors: 4 (plus one at shortstop)
Ultimate Zone Rating: 10.0
Defensive WAR: 1.3

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97 Responses to “Today’s main event: Gold Glove winners announced”

  1. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    What.

    No smoothness factor ?

    Cano wins that hands down (In a manner of speaking).

    :)

  2. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    This looks like an all Red Sux season to me.

    So I’ll venture a guess and say the Elf gets it.

  3. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    MTU-

    my experience is that players react to different players differently. jose cruz was treated very differently than joaquin andujar was by players.

    ron leflore was treated differently than al oliver.

    one time i said to chicken willie our clubhouse guy, who had been around since the beginning of time, that it wasn’t right that no one trusted ron leflore in the locker room . ron seemed like a nice guy to me. chicken played in the negro leagues and towed around a giant BBQ barrel/ trailer that he used to make the clubhouse spread. willie was from texas. chicken was also the long time chicago white sox clubhouse guy.

    anyway chicken said ” are you crazy, i lock everything up in here. he would steal everything is if wasn’t locked down”.

    al oliver commanded everyone’s respect. players don’t rally around players if they’re not worthy of it.
    for some reason david ortiz gets respect from players around the league. that’s not me . that’s major league players.

  4. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    So, um, who won last night?

  5. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Randy-

    I’m can understand that the player’s POV might be very different from those of us looking at it from the outside in.

    Love the name by the way. “Chicken Willie”. Bet he made some mean BBQ.

    I am trying to get my lazy as* up and out for some exercise today.

    I’m working on it as we speak.

    :)

  6. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Some days I am more motivated than others.

    :(

  7. BIG AL October 29th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    randy l. -

    As you are aware, we have had our disagreements on this blog, but, as to your position of wanting all of us that have been impacted by the blog terrorist, I agree with your statement and position.

    One thing those screaming about the Red Sox players cheating can’t explain is; If the Red Sox were getting a pass from Selig, why would the other 29 team owners sit back and say, or do, nothing, especially those in the AL East?

    Selig works for the owners, and can be fired by them, so why would they stand by and ignore his “special” treatment given the Red Sox, the answer is, they would not!

    It’s sad that some here can not share thoughts on the blog without starting every comment with name calling and personal attacks.

    I realize I’ll most likely face additional attacks, but, if I seat back and say nothing, I’m allowing the blog terrorist to win.

  8. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    I’ve finally reached escape velocity.

    I’ll catch you all later.

    :)

  9. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    mtu-

    with all this BBQ talk on here from blake and tomingeorgia it made me think of chicken willie.

    he was a massive man whose laugh would stop the clubhouse. we played at jackie robinson stadium in daytona and there’s a sculpture of robinson out front. willie told me stories of playing with robinson in the negro leagues. i had a photo taken of us outside in front of the sculpture. i’ll upload it sometime. cool photo.

    he would put out a whole spread of stuff he BBQ’d on the trailer that would always have smoke pouring out of. sometimes it would drift into left field . i mean every day. i remember some amazing beans in addition to the chicken.

  10. BIG AL October 29th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    randy l. -

    One more thought, IMO many others here agree with your position, but after seeing what some of us have had to endure, they fear agreeing with you would open them up to the same treatment by the blog terrorist.

    Being neutral is fine if your Swiss, but, not standing up to those that are wrong can be seen as supporting that postion, by not standing up to the hurt that blogger is causing.

    It’s like seeing someone walking down the street with a mean looking Pit Bull, you tend to cross over to the other side of the street to avoid a possible conflict that could do you harm.

  11. BIG AL October 29th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Got to run, have an appointment.

    Y’all have a great day!

  12. AAA October 29th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    So I’ll venture a guess and say the Elf gets it.

    ==================

    He took the Fielding Bible Award, so yeah he probably will.

  13. austinmac October 29th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    I am always skeptical about zone ratings, but I bet the little fellow wins. Good numbers and a good team. It is mainly a popularity contest.

    No one is saying Ortiz isn’t using, but no one can say he is since it is supposition. Opinions are not facts.

  14. Doreen October 29th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Of course I’d love Cano to get the GG, but how can anyone argue against any of the three candidates, really?

    austinmac -

    So right about that.

  15. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    “As you are aware, we have had our disagreements on this blog, but, as to your position of wanting all of us that have been impacted by the blog terrorist, I agree with your statement and position.”

    big al-

    what was great about this blog is that we used to be able to freely be able to vociferously disagree with each other without the blog going to pieces. now if a little disagreement starts up gasoline is poured on from multiple directions. it’s not just one person. a toxicity has set in that’s hard to shake.

    what i think we’re all doing is fighting back for that free space to disagree if we want.
    one of the thing that the bad guys don’t get is that they actually make you and i agree on something.

    once that happens , who knows, we might even start to agree on more things :)

  16. luis October 29th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    .Good afternoon guys,

    One more thing about the Ortiz controversy:

    1) Randy isn´t the boss…He just expressed an opinion…Wether you agree with it or not is irrelevant…But being subjected to name calling, threats and things along those lines is unacceptable… One day has passed, and I read name calling again…That´s why i stood up last night..And I am doing it now again

    2) Regardless if he used PED´s or not…His talent is obvious…I am in no way condoning the PED use…But that he has been a force in this game can´t be disputed…If he used PED´s and is caught he should be punished…

  17. JM October 29th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Seems to me that if Big Papi were a Yankee, he would be revered in NYC, just like Jeter and Mo are.

    I am disheartened that the media never raises the 2003 PED issue but let’s face it, the guy has done something extraordinary in these playoffs. I have to respect that.

    I dislike the Red Sox, the whole beard thing, their vapid newcomer fans, etc. as much as the next person, but this Red Sox team has reminded me for sometime of the 2009 Yanks, the way they grind out at-bats and put so much pressure on starting pitchers. Can’t wait to see the Yanks return to that style of play.

    As for the Cards, if your ace gets outpitched twice in a series it’s pretty difficult to win.

  18. AAA October 29th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Seems to me that if Big Papi were a Yankee, he would be revered in NYC, just like Jeter and Mo are.

    ==========================

    Not to mention noted user, Andy Pettitte.

  19. JM October 29th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    By the way I understand the disgust at Ortiz getting a free pass, too. I find it amazing that he is not criticized for showboating when he stands at the plate for seconds and watches his homeruns, etc. I don’t that at all.

  20. luis October 29th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    It is very hard to dispute that any of those three can and deserve to win the GG award to a point….How can Cano have 0.8 UZR???…I am sorry but that´s ridiculous…I do have a lot of respect to stats…But there must be something wrong with this one

  21. austinmac October 29th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    We are all entitled to our opinions. It seems to me the argument should be about the opinion and not the one making it. Those expressing opinions should know doing so invites disagreements on it.

    People regularly disagree with some of mine, and sometimes I learn and reconsider. That is the beauty of a board where we can express or beliefs and get feedback.

    No one has the market cornered on knowledge or morality.

  22. tomingeorgia October 29th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Been busy all day, but, luis, randy and Al, I agree with you guys. My philosophy has been to state my piece, call no one names, ally with nobody, defend my position if need be. It’s obvious that my opinions are are not as dear to me as others’ are dear to them, brooking no dissent. Here’s to the future of Lohud. Get rid of the personal crap and the obvious menaces, and I’ll be here for a long time, just because it’s fun and passes some time.

    Let’s go, Red Birds!

  23. Doreen October 29th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    luis -

    That didn’t look right to me, but I really have zero knowledge of UZR, beyond reading that it has its limitations.

    But it might have something to do with the fact that Cano doesn’t jump into the air before he fields a ball, or that he hasn’t be christened the “most creative second baseman in baseball,” by Tim McCarver…. I could only roll my eyes on that description the other night. Creative??? LOL

    Pedroia is good, very good. It’s just the over-attention, over-fawning, by the Fox people that drives me ca-razy!!

  24. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    “One more thought, IMO many others here agree with your position, but after seeing what some of us have had to endure, they fear agreeing with you would open them up to the same treatment by the blog terrorist.

    Being neutral is fine if your Swiss, but, not standing up to those that are wrong can be seen as supporting that postion, by not standing up to the hurt that blogger is causing.”

    big al-

    i’m in a position where i can take some harassment and it’s not going to affect me. i get it that it’s more scary for some people than it is for me.

    sometimes it’s right to walk away from trouble and other times you just have to intervene. each of us has to decide when the timing is right. if i were really busy or if i had other problems, i wouldn’t be reacting the same way.

    i do appreciate anyone like you who is stepping up to make things better here.
    more and more are doing it each day.

  25. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    “but I really have zero knowledge of UZR, beyond reading that it has its limitations.”

    doreen-

    i read dewan’s book , the fielding bible a long while ago and he was obsessed with proving derek jeter sucked defensively. it was hard to take his “objectivity” seriously.

    however i do thing defensive metrics will get better each year and at some point they’ll have a sensor in the ball and on the players and then we’ll get some real data on who is doing exactly what.

  26. 4TrainNorth October 29th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Comparing Pettitte to Papi is insane.

  27. AAA October 29th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    By the way I understand the disgust at Ortiz getting a free pass,

    ==========================

    I’m more disgusted that Arod didn’t get a free pass as it relates to that 2003 test. That document and the results therein were to be confidential. No MLB rules were violated by the players named on that list.

    Now anything that’s happened in the way of positive tests since the Testing Program has been in place is fair game and plenty (I’m looking at you Senor Ramirez) have been punished accordingly. Don’t much like the way this Biogenisis thing went down (some punished sans positive test, the excessive punishment handed down on Arod) but if it’s covered under the CBA/JDA, so be it. With testing going on, the rampant speculation that goes on around here seems pointless.

  28. blake October 29th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Pedroia would be fine as the GG winner…..I like Pedroia….he’s pretty much the only Red Sock I like.

  29. 4TrainNorth October 29th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Also, if DP gets the GG, it’s only because he excels at making routine plays look difficult. He always gets graded on a curve because of his shortness; it’s why he won the MVP. Lotsa heart, sure, but let’s not get carried away. Those stats above are, like, wiked inflated.

  30. AAA October 29th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Comparing Pettitte to Papi is insane

    ==================

    Thanks for making my point.

  31. Doreen October 29th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Randy l -

    What UZR can’t measure though, at least I don’t think it could, is the preparation going into a fielder’s position, and how does it account for a fielder setting up based upon a pitcher pitching a particular way and the pitcher fails at his job? Or a hitter doing something unexpected with a pitch?

    But as I said, I don’t know enough, and I might be off-base even with the above questions.

  32. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    doreen-

    there’s also a lot of competing defensive metrics. any conversation about defensive metrics would benefit for jerk face weighing in on the subject.

    i’ve ben around some really good defensive players … nettles, omar moreno, jose cruz sr, and those kind of guys can impact games with their defense.

    but they are everyday players. so when people talk about run prevention. it’s not all pitching. it’s also everyday players making the difference. i still like building a team around everyday players rather than pitchers because everyday players contribute by adding runs on offense and subtracting runs on defense. plus they play everyday.

    if one everyday player goes down you have 8 more starters. if a starting pitcher goes down. you only have 4. 1/9 th gone isn’t as bad as 1/5th gone.

    i don’t like bad defensive players, but a guy like ortiz shows the value of a DH. and he hasn’t hurt them at first base.

  33. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    if cano wins the gold glove this year, i wonder how much that adds to the money he’ll be getting this off season.

    a gold glove can’t hurt him, that’s for sure.

  34. kd October 29th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    just a thought experiment: george steinbrenner wanted to sign ortiz when minnesota released him. the yankees had giambi and cash vetoed it. if the yankees had signed ortiz and he produced the way he did for boston:

    1. do they trade for arod?

    2. does boston win in ’04, ’08?

    3. do the yankees win more titles than they did?

    4. do the red sox trade manny for arod? thereby leaving boston with this mess, not us?

    5. is tex a yankee?

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock October 29th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Crock.

  36. AAA October 29th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    if cano wins the gold glove this year, i wonder how much that adds to the money he’ll be getting this off season

    ====================

    Not much, I suspect. GM’s don’t go ga-ga over these awards. Win or lose, I think it’s safe to say that Cano is recognized by MLB decision makers as one of the strongest fielding 2B’s in the game.

  37. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    kd-

    i’ll make an exception to my rule not to talk with someone who i don’t know because your post is just to iterating. :)

    1. yes, because george still wants the biggest name in the game

    2. no boston doesn’t win in 2004 and 2007 because ortiz and manny were the best back to back guys in the game

    3. yes

    4 why would the red sox trade manny. he was the better hitter. alex the better overall player. i could see them wanting both

    5.TEX might still be a yankee because they still would have needed a first baseman.

  38. Hankflorida October 29th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    2) Regardless if he used PED´s or not…His talent is obvious…I am in no way condoning the PED use…But that he has been a force in this game can´t be disputed…If he used PED´s and is caught he should be punished…

    Luis, I agree that David Ortiz has been a force in the game, but the fact that the suspicion of using PED’s is hanging over his head, his being a DH and his just over 400 home runs and a .287 BA will not get him into the HOF.

  39. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    as soon as i look up “interating”, i’ll know what i just said :)

    sounds like something that might involve alcohol.

  40. kd October 29th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    randy,

    thanks for your thoughtful response. just trying to keep the discussion on here away from terrorism, i like all of the bbq talk.

    papi hit 54 hrs in boston, juiced or not. he might have hit 70 in the old ys.

    would have been preferable to what really happened.

    just my two cents: don’t count out the cardinals. they may not have the best players, but matheny will have them ready to play. one can only hope at this point..

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    “Selig works for the owners, and can be fired by them, so why would they stand by and ignore his “special” treatment given the Red Sox, the answer is, they would not!”

    Because Selig and Henry didn’t see any reason to announce their little pact to the rest of the owners. Just like Selig, Henry and Loria didn’t see any reason to announce to the owners that they were getting ready to F over the Expos, sell off the Marlins, and trade Urbina to the Sux after the deadline, for next to nothing.

    The denseness here sometimes astounds me.

    Still no comment on the faux MLB fenway steroid investigation in 2009? Wonder why the owners stood by for that! After all, Selig works for the owners and can be fired by them, so why would they stand by and ignore his “special” treatment given the Red Sox?

    The answer is they did.

    And Mitchell, a Sux director, conducted the MLB steroids investigation, aka the Mitchell
    Report, in which not one Sux player was indicted.

    Some of you should be ashamed to be breathing, though there’s a lot of pollution in beantown so I can see why the breeze would reach other parts of Massachusetts and entirely stultifying the thinking of occupants there.

  42. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    kd-

    how did cashman avoid getting fired when george was still alive with george knowing that cashman willfully didnt do what george told him to do with ortiz.

    and when ortiz started producing on a regular basis, i’m just surprised george didn’t go off cashman after some yankee loss that ortiz had a hand in.

  43. tomingeorgia October 29th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    randy,
    “Iteration” is what happens here a couple of times a day. “Reiteration” happens a few hundred times a day.

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    luis – if you’re around, I had written this response for you last night but Chad had shut off comments by then. But I did want to respond to some of the things you said.

    _________________________

    “If you haven’t noticed how the blog’s number of posters ( not posts ) have dwindle I can’t help you…How the three of you jumped on Randy just because he recognized that Ortiz is a great player is beyond believe”

    luis, did you really think there would be an overabundance of posters here for a Sux World Series?

    And about “jumping on Randy”, perhaps you will realize how ludicrous is it for anyone to say that because Mariano Rivera had lunch with a person, the person isn’t using steroids. That’s what I jumped on him for. And by the way, there were quite a few more than three posters who jumped on randy for saying that. Go back and look. Maybe that means Randy said something that didn’t make a lot of sense.

    And about the veiled threat – I have let CR 9 know in every language possible that I believe that behavior is reprehensible, even if he is doing it just to get a rise of out of the person.

    You may have noticed that I asked him on the forum to desist with racist remarks.

    About enabling anything? I happen to like mick every much, the way you like “Pruf” – the same person who has accused me of being the same poster as CR 9, of being Rhapsody in Blue, of conspiring behind the scenes with 4 other people – all lies by the way – and I have never called you on it for continuing to be his friend. And I’ve never seen you jump on him for that behavior.

    I’ve just said that I think it is reprehensible when CR 9 threatens someone. Let’s see you say it’s reprehensible when “Pruf” calls me horrible names, makes up lies about me, and goes on libelous rants about me.

    I don’t insist on anyone here not being friends with others because I may not like them. Not my style. I don’t expect it to be done to me. Because I have no respect for a certain poster doesn’t mean that I can’t have respect for others who may interact with that person.

  45. AAA October 29th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Kd

    Cool question. I’d first say that I understand Cashman’s reluctance on Ortiz given the 2002 season Giambi had and the promise of then 23 year old Nick Johnson, who provided the added bonus of being able to play 1B. Giambi started 90 games at 1B in 2002 and Johnson 60, so it seems clear that Cashman put a premium on a DH/1B who could play a lot of 1B, but:

    1) Yes, they needed a 3B.

    2) No

    3) Probably, yeah

    4) I think the trade would have amounted to Arod/Magglio for Nomar/Manny. Had the MLBPA ok’d the adjustments to Arod’s contract, yeah I think they’d have made those deals.

    5) I’d lean to No. Assuming Ortiz’s bat, I don’t think the outlay for Teixeira, which as I recall required special permission, would have been required or approved upstairs. I think they’d have pursued a lower tiered 1B instead.

  46. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    The denseness here sometimes astounds me.

    Some of you should be ashamed to be breathing, though there’s a lot of pollution in beantown so I can see why the breeze would reach other parts of Massachusetts and entirely stultifying the thinking of occupants there.

    ———

    Good grief, Trisha.

    You need to stop with the BS.

    You climb atop your moral high horse and go on nonsensical rants and insult those of us who simply think the conspiracy stuff is hogwash, especially when you don’t have any evidence whatsoever to support it.

    Then when people naturally react in a negative way to your rants and fire back you paint yourself as a victim on the defensive.

    You always talk about morality and civility within these walls and then you post that kind of BS.

    You do yourself no favors at all and you sound like a hypocrite. Then CR comes to your rescue and the place officially becomes a cesspool.

  47. kd October 29th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    cash had the teflon of world series rings. honestly randy, you and i disagree a little bit about your assessment of cashman in the past. my personal view is that he was gearing up for one last mo/jeter/andy run at a ring. he failed, that happens in sports. that being said, he needs to take a different job in the organization. they need an energetic new gm, maybe cash is just tired and needs a different challenge.

    i hope he can see his own ineffectiveness, but people in power rarely want to give up the big chair.

    if it were up to me: the yankees would overpay for scouts, minor league coaches, and physical trainers so as to build a well-oiled development program. they’ll never be able to draft #1 picks, but they do need to maximize what they can draft. also, the cuban outfielders should have been in pinstripes

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    “You climb atop your moral high horse and go on nonsensical rants and insult those of us who simply think the conspiracy stuff is hogwash, especially when you don’t have any evidence whatsoever to support it.”

    You guys wouldn’t say crap about the Sux if you had a mouthful. I don’t care if you don’t buy into conspiracies. More often than not, conspiracies are behind the scenes. Selig and Henry are gooombas that go way back. MLB squelched a steroids investigation at fenway in 2009. Mitchell was appointed to head the MLB steroids investigation. Selig, Loria, and Henry pulled dirty deals behind the scenes that became public.

    Selig approved a then big trade, after the deadline passed, that left everyone’s mouths open. It was to his friend’s team.

    You need more “evidence”?

    React any way you want to what I just said. Randy is a hypocrite and a crap stirrer.

    Because you don’t think there’s any conspiracy, you call it a nonsensical rant. Well, pal, others here believe that where there’s smoke there’s fire. So you’d be looked at as the nonsensical one in this piece.

    Last night you said you could be pretty harsh in some of your responses. Consider it noted.

  49. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    tomingeorgia

    autofill and spell check makes up some funny things.

    sometimes the words auto fill puts in on iphone texting is really embarrassing.

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    And GF, not to deflate your balloon, but I don’t pay attention to your takes on things so if you were hurt by what I said, it wasn’t intentional on my part. You haven’t been around for quite a while so the only thing I really remember about you – other than you acknowledging that you could be pretty nasty in some of your responses, and that’s because it was a very recent post – is that you hadn’t been feeling well for some time.

    Have a great day.

  51. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    None of us are happy about the Red Sox being on their way to a WS win.

    That doesn’t mean they were involved in the JFK assassination or Hitler’s rise to power.

    You are anything but a victim.

  52. Tar October 29th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    I took what Randy said to mean that if Mo respects Ortiz (it was obvious he did, especially bringing his kids) than maybe as Yankee fans we should too.

    I don’t speak for Randy but if that was his point I think its a good one.

  53. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    “None of us are happy about the Red Sox being on their way to a WS win.”

    Giuseppe Franco-

    i’m very pragmatic and can see how a red sox world series win puts pressure on cashman to produce in 2014.

    as kd said , cash needs to at least slide sideways in the organization and let some fresh blood take over.

    i think another red sox world series could be a tipping point for that happening.
    so i might be rooting for a red sox victory, but it’s a mean to and end. the end being making the yankees better quicker.

  54. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    “You are anything but a victim.”

    That’s funny, because I dislike their teams and fanbase because they are “always the victim, never at fault.”

    The most recent example is the walk-off obstruction.

    The umpires got the call right, but the Red Sox have acted like they were wronged, and used the right call by the umpires as bulletin board material.

  55. tomingeorgia October 29th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    randy,
    The moral stances, constantly restated, are the “reiterated” parts. As in, yes, “we know where you stand”.

  56. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    “I don’t speak for Randy but if that was his point I think its a good one.”

    Mariano Rivera shows respect for everyone and likes everyone.

    Mariano Rivera respects and likes Alex Rodriguez.

  57. Tar October 29th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Also the moral outrage over greasy hair and doctoring the ball is comical. If you don’t get caught it’s not cheating, that’s the way the game has always been. Don’t believe me….. ask HOF pitcher Gaylord Perry.

  58. Tar October 29th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Mariano Rivera shows respect for everyone and likes everyone.”

    And you know this how? I really doubt he respects “everyone”.

    And don’t mistake being a respectful person, with an obvious show (lunch, cameras, kids) of respect

  59. AAA October 29th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    The umpires got the call right, but the Red Sox have acted like they were wronged, and used the right call by the umpires as bulletin board material.

    =============================

    Bulletin board material?

    Like, “We’re really going to get those dastardly umpires!”

    Makes sense. I mean, there’s no way their motivation could have been that they were down 2 games to 1 in the World Series.

  60. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    “And you know this how? I really doubt he respects “everyone”

    Because I am dating the daughter of Fern Cuza, his agent. I’ve spent time around Mariano Rivera, Ortiz, Pedro.

    Mariano Rivera respects and likes Alex Rodriguez.

  61. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    “Like, “We’re really going to get those dastardly umpires!”

    Like “we’re not going to let that incorrect call determine the outcome of this series”

    “That incorrect call isn’t going to define us”

    You should view the Game 3 postgame press conferences before speaking on the matter.

  62. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    “None of us are happy about the Red Sox being on their way to a WS win.”

    Giuseppe Franco-

    i’m very pragmatic and can see how a red sox world series win puts pressure on cashman to produce in 2014.

    as kd said , cash needs to at least slide sideways in the organization and let some fresh blood take over.

    i think another red sox world series could be a tipping point for that happening.
    so i might be rooting for a red sox victory, but it’s a mean to and end. the end being making the yankees better quicker.

    ——-

    It’s in my DNA to hate the Red Sox so I can’t cross that line to actually root for them even if it does provoke the Yanks’ front office to go nuclear.

    All I can do is hope that you are right but I’m not sure Hal is wired that way. He seems pretty dead set on that 189M and I’d be pleasantly surprised if he scrapped those plans.

    I agree with kd. I’d like to see some new blood in that front office making baseball decisions but they aren’t exactly off to a great start this offseason when their biggest move has been to fire the strength and conditioning coach.

  63. Pat M. October 29th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    This is no longer a baseball blog of high standards, it’s become a moronic reality show of sorts. Damn shame that it’s morphed into this. But the dynamics for this started in the offseason in 09 right after the Yanks won and Pete was no longer micro managing and policing the blog. Maybe it’s time to go back to Replacement Level Yankees were I started from

  64. AAA October 29th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Like “we’re not going to let that incorrect call determine the outcome of this series”

    “That incorrect call isn’t going to define us”

    You should view the Game 3 postgame press conferences before speaking on the matter

    ===============================

    Nobody called it incorrect at all. I heard several complain that the call at that point in the game was ridiculous, but saw no player or manager call it incorrect. I disagree with them on their point. It’s obstruction in the 9th inning just as it’s obstruction in the 1st. But none of them called it incorrect.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    “You are anything but a victim.”

    And at your hands, certainly, I feel like anything but a victim. You’re here with a peashooter.

    ****************

    Tar – Mariano Rivera faced the Sux just about more than any other team. I’m not surprised he would have a good relationship with some of the people on the team, and especially those who are also Spanish speaking. But I cannot agree that because he shows respect for someone that means the person is worthy of everyone’s respect. Mariano treats everyone like a prince.,

    *****************

    Randy has been attempting a divide and conquer strategy and it definitely isn’t working on me. No matter how much baseball consternation there is between me and Tar, or between me and Pat M, they will always remain two of my favorite posters here. I don’t forget friendships behind stupidity like “wah wah, you don’t like Joe Torre, I’m going to sit and cry like a baby”. It takes a “special” mentality to have things like that define who you like and who you don’t. Welcome to Randy’s world. And that of a few other select individuals.

    A former forum friend took his ball and went home the minute I took a stand against Alex Rodriguez. Stuff like that makes me laugh. That one, to me, is no loss.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    GF – I hate cheating. I believe this Sux team got to where it did by having at least several dirty players. So kill me.

  67. Hankflorida October 29th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    i think another red sox world series could be a tipping point for that happening.
    so i might be rooting for a red sox victory, but it’s a mean to and end. the end being making the yankees better quicker.

    Randy, Colin Cowherd on his radio show today said the same thing, and that Hal is not his father and needs a catalyst like another Red Sox World Series to cause him to spend more money. I disagree with this supposition because Hal is already set on a plan to go below the cap, and he has seen the interest in the fan base this year just in trying to reach for the 2nd Wildcard in spite of all the injuries. The fact that Hal believes that he can keep the fannies in the seats and still get to the dance floor at a lower cost trumps the idea that the Red Sox winning the gold will open up his pocketbook.

  68. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Jake Peavy and David Ortiz called it a joke, implying it was the incorrect call.

    As is always the case in sport, teams and players seek to manufacture extra motivation where they can.

    The Red Sox used their “victimization” as motivation

  69. luis October 29th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Sorry…had to work…

    Doreen…

    I agree about Pedroia…I think Cano is the better all around player both with the bat and the glove…Again, it baffles me the way that the UZR stat basically says that Cano sucks at 2nd base…That can´t be right…I mean, Cano has very good range, soft hands and a strong and accurate arm..To the point that many very hard plays, he makes them look like easy plays.

    Trisha,

    My point is and was that if you don´t agree, there is no need for the name calling…Last night you stayed silent while he was threatened by this guy..,. I have stood up for you several times regardless if i agree with you or not (remember the Kuroda controversy for example).

  70. AAA October 29th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Jake Peavy and David Ortiz called it a joke, implying it was the incorrect call.

    As is always the case in sport, teams and players seek to manufacture extra motivation where they can.

    The Red Sox used their “victimization” as motivation

    =============================

    You’re Mr. Harding and Trish is Cheswick, right?

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    luis – read again from my previous post:

    “And about the veiled threat – I have let CR 9 know in every language possible that I believe that behavior is reprehensible, even if he is doing it just to get a rise of out of the person.”

    “I’ve just said that I think it is reprehensible when CR 9 threatens someone. Let’s see you say it’s reprehensible when “Pruf” calls me horrible names, makes up lies about me, and goes on libelous rants about me.”

    I’ve talked to CR about these behaviors multiple times. Because I don’t excoriate him on the forum doesn’t mean I haven’t confronted it. How about you? Have you emailed “Pruf” and told him his name calling, defamatory accusations, and the like are unacceptable?

    I hope you see my point.

    Have you ever seen Randy call me and others names?

    Just something to think about.

    Later.

  72. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    tar-

    some will touch it that mariano and jeter wil always know more about the game and about other players in the game than any of us on this board ever will.

    they believe that experience doesn’t matter. they believe that a law degree ,medical degree, mba, or doctorate makes them equal to mariano and jeter in baseball knowledge.

    it doesn’t and never will. does it make jeter and maraino better human beings ? no, but both are pretty amazing separate from the baseball.

    my point is people need to know when to defer to authority. jeter and mariano are authority when it comes to yankee baseball .

    jeter and rivera don’t care about ortiz and PEDS. they are not concerned about it. they know more than you. defer to them. use them as a guide.
    give up your own ego that says you know more than they do.
    you don’t.

  73. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    “some wil not touch it”

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