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State of the organization: Right field

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 30, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ichiro Suzuki

The Yankees have two veteran right fielders on the roster, but the team might still go shopping for an everyday alternative. And that shopping will likely begin within a week or so with a qualifying offer to Curtis Granderson.

IchiroWellsICHIRO SUZUKI and VERNON WELLS
Signed through 2014
What the Yankees have under contract is a right field platoon situation that might be better in theory — and in history — than in practice. Ichiro is a left-handed hitter (and possibly a Hall of Famer), and Wells is a right-hander (a three-time all-star and Gold Glove winner), but the Yankees might still be best served looking for an alternative. If this were a tradition platoon, Ichiro would play against right handers. Of course, Ichiro hit .235/.282/.307 against righties this season and actually had much better numbers against lefties (his numbers have traditionally shown very little difference vLHP or vRHP). Ichiro had a pretty good stretch in the middle of the season, but his overall production was underwhelming, which isn’t a good sign for a 40 year old. As for Wells, he hit .269/.318/.379 against left-handers this season. He was terrific in April, and he was a good singles hitter in July and August, but he was a lot like Ichiro with his ultimately disappointing season. As a pure platoon hitter, Wells might actually be a better fit than Ichiro. As a true fourth outfielder, Ichiro — with his speed and defense — might be a better fit than Wells. As for a true everyday right fielder, the Yankees might not have one. And this combination won’t do the trick either if Ichiro and Wells hit like they did last season.

GrandersonREADY REPLACEMENTS
The most readily available replacement just might be a guy who’s going to become a free agent immediately after the World Series comes to an end. Curtis Granderson isn’t under contract for 2014, but the Yankees could — and probably should — make him a qualifying offer, and there seems to be at least some chance he’ll accept. If he does, the Yankees will have their replacement in right field, and a chance to really buy low on short-term upside after Granderson’s injury shortened season. Then again … if Granderson doesn’t take a qualifying offer, the Yankees only ready replacements in right field would probably be Zoilo Almonte and Ronnier Mustelier (and maybe, if he has an unreal spring training, Adonis Garcia). Thing is, Almonte hit just .236/.274/.302 in 106 big league at-bats last season; Mustelier hit just .272/.319/.398 in Triple-A; and Garcia has played 50 games above Double-A. In other words, the alternatives are thin, and Granderson turning down a qualifying offer could send the Yankees shopping.

AustinTOP PROSPECT
Tyler Austin left the door wide open for some other organizational outfielder to become the Yankees top right field prospect, but that didn’t happen. Austin Aune had a brutal year after moving to the outfield. Yeicok Calderon struggled with a jump to Low-A. First-round pick Aaron Judge never got on the field. So it’s still Austin, even after hitting just .257/.344/.373 in Double-A this season. It was a disappointing year considering what he did in 2012 — Austin was one of minor league baseball’s best all-around hitters last season — but it’s worth noting that it came in a year when he was dealing with a wrist injury, and most importantly, when he was playing Double-A ball at 21 years old. The Yankees have not given up on Austin. He was legitimately dominant in short-season and rookie ball, then he overpowered Low-A and High-A. Now he has to make that adjustment to the upper levels. This season might very well be a reason to doubt him — or at least a reminder that every low-level standout deserves some amount of doubt — but Austin’s also proven that there’s some legitimate offensive potential in that bat, certainly more potential than the numbers show this season.

MustelierSTATE OF THE ORGANIZATION
A bounce-back season from Austin would change a lot about the state of right field in the Yankees organization. Even if Granderson were to come back for one more season, the Yankees would still be without a big league right fielder beyond next season, and Austin could emerge as a potential replacement if he were to return to Double-A, thrive at that level, and earn a bump up to Triple-A. Seems possible, but hardly a given. Just like it’s hardly a given that Aune will put things together, or that Judge will be the raw power bat the Yankees are dreaming on. But again, it’s possible. There is right field talent in the organization, even if it wasn’t a particularly good year in right field. Those organizational questions will answer themselves over time. What the Yankees have to answer for themselves is what to do about right field next season. Will they be able to bring back Granderson? Can they find someone on the free agent or trade market? Are they willing to stick with the aging platoon that’s currently in place?

Associated Press photo; headshots of Ichiro, Wells, Granderson, Austin and Mustelier

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64 Responses to “State of the organization: Right field”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    mick, thanks. Things like that touch me deeply because it goes beyond just getting a signed Playbill. It’s the milk of human kindness and the connection with humanity and all of that metaphysical stuff that really fills me up. I’m going to send her some of my Christmas cookies (Hanukkah cookies?) as a thank you and hope they don’t end up as nothing but crumbs. I really want to do something.

  2. pkyankfan69 October 30th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Choo or Beltran would look pretty good manning RF next year…

  3. blake October 30th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    “Choo or Beltran would look pretty good manning RF next year…”

    they would but it’ll cost a draft pick and unless a lot more is done to go with them I don’t think it’d matter.

    The Yankees either need to go big and completely overhaul the club this winter…..with means probably going over the 189 limit……or they need to serioulsy think about rebuilding. Half way on either plan will keep them spinning their wheels.

  4. blake October 30th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    basically if the Yankees decided to sign a FA that would require losing their first round pick then they need to accompany that with signing more people. If they sign McCann for example then they also need to sign either beltran or Choo plus Tanaka and Peralta or Drew.

    this team isn’t one player away……it’s several

  5. Ys Guy October 30th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    tim mc carver is not my favorite announcer on tv, neither is he horrible in my opinion.

    but even if you hate him, i can’t imagine why you’d have any confidence that fox will replace him with anybody as good or nearly as good as mc carver. they was fox works, theyll probably put jane lynch in the booth to pump up the ratings for glee’s last season.

  6. Ys Guy October 30th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    atlanta would be absolutely nuts to let mccann get away, imo.

  7. blake October 30th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    McCarver’s only real crime is that he got old…..he knows a ton about baseball. Buck has no excuse for being bad.

  8. pkyankfan69 October 30th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Screw the budget, screw the draft pick, screw our minors.

    Lets win!

    Resign Cano – 8 years – $200 M
    Resign Kuroda – 1 year – $15 M
    Sign McCann – 5 years – $75 M
    Sign Choo – 5 years – $90 M
    Sign Beltran – 2 years – $28M
    Sign Tanaka – 6 years – $66 M
    Sign Balfour – 2 years – $15 M
    Sign Brian Wilson 2 years – $15 M
    Trade For Tulo… Rockies pick any 5 minor leaguers they want

    CF – Gardy
    3B – Jeter
    2B – Cano
    SS – Tulo
    RF – Choo
    DH – Beltran
    1B – Tex
    C – McCann
    LF – Soriano

    CC – Kuroda – Nova – Tanaka – Pineda/Phelps/Warren/etc

    Drob – Wilson – Balfour – Kelley – Betances – Cabral – Phelps/Warren/etc

    C-H-A-M-P-I-O-N-S-H-I-P

  9. randy l. October 30th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    “Half way on either plan will keep them spinning their wheels.”

    blake-

    spinning their wheels and kicking the can down the road seems to be the operative plan until hal gets a slap in the face with reality.

    he’s still delusional because he’s dismissed last year as an anomaly rather than a downward trend.

    he will have to have it proved to him that last year wasn’t an anomaly. he will demand seeing 2014 be a fail before he reacts.

    i think he’ll get his wish and 2014 is going to be as bad or worse than 2013.
    i am looking for where the yankees will be in 2016. i’m for any move that helps 2016 and onward.
    i already don’t care about 2014 and 2015 because i think hal has already thrown it away.

  10. blake October 30th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    “atlanta would be absolutely nuts to let mccann get away, imo.”

    i have talked to some friends that live in atlanta and they seem to think they are going to let him go…..my guess is they could be concerned about how much longer he can catch at his age and with no DH there is no place for him to play if he’s no longer catching.

  11. blake October 30th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    “he’s still delusional because he’s dismissed last year as an anomaly rather than a downward trend.”

    publically anyway…..he’s either delusional or he’s being dishonest with the fanbase.

    Honestly there are a lot of reasons why they are where they are…..some of it IMO was unavoidable given the success they have had……all that matters going forward is the plan they follow, and I don’t even really care which it is so long as there is an actual solid plan.

    If they blow out the budget and go for it in 2014 by signing everybody then cool……if they scale back payroll and truly try to rebuild more efficient then that’ll suck short term but I can get on board if it’s done right.

    What I wont’ be ok with though is more half a$sing……more middle of the road BS trying to hold on to something that’s been gone for years now. Pick a lane

  12. randy l. October 30th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    “tim mc carver is not my favorite announcer on tv, neither is he horrible in my opinion.” and baseball

    ys guy-

    mc carver doesn’t bother me. i translate what he’s saying into info i can understand. he’s no yankee fan, but then again who is for a national broadcaster.

  13. blake October 30th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    one thing is for certain…..if Ichiro is a starter for the Yankees in 2014 then they aren’t serious about winning short term and they likely haven’t committed to getting any better long term either. THey are merely trying to sell tickets……Ichiro hasn’t been good enough to be a big league regular in like 3 years aside from a couple month last gasp in 2012…….hopefully he will retire but if he doesn’t then he should be strictly an extra outfielder next year.

  14. randy l. October 30th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    blake -

    i think if hal was just being dishonest with the fan base and did in fact know that the yankees were in real trouble, he’d make wholesale management changes and start over with new people. most definitely, i think we’d see more changes than just replacing the conditioning coach.

  15. blake October 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    “i think if hal was just being dishonest with the fan base and did in fact know that the yankees were in real trouble, he’d make wholesale management changes and start over with new people. most definitely, i think we’d see more changes than just replacing the conditioning coach.”

    they aren’t done yet…..I expect more changes in the scouting and development department. I don’t think Hal is naive…..I think he’s a weasel to some degree.

  16. AAA October 30th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    McCarver’s only real crime is that he got old…..he knows a ton about baseball. Buck has no excuse for being bad.

    =======================================

    Agree. McCarver was once tremendous as a color man. I think it’s gotten away from him though, especially the past 3-5 years.

  17. Hankflorida October 30th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Again, I repeat my observation that Hal’s blueprint for 2013 to play Suzuki and Gardener together in the same outfield showed that getting under the cap was more important then winning a championship. If Hal alters his plans, the first order of business will be is an addendum which will have two power hitters playing on either side of Gardener. Hal, the ball is in your court so show us that you mean business!

  18. austinmac October 30th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Relative to others at the position, RF may have been worse offensively than catcher. I agree with Hank. They need some real offense in the outfield.

  19. jacksquat October 30th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    blake October 30th, 2013 at 9:15 am
    The Dodgers are gonna bid like 70 million on Tanaka aren’t they

    It will be interesting to see what rules the new posting system will have.

    For example, if the player is allowed to choose between the top 3 posting fee bids, and he can see the bid amounts, he may want to pick the lowest of the 3 so that the team can pay him more money.

  20. AAA October 30th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    For example, if the player is allowed to choose between the top 3 posting fee bids, and he can see the bid amounts, he may want to pick the lowest of the 3 so that the team can pay him more money.

    =======================================

    Adds a legit free agent component for the Japanese player coming over. I think that’s a good thing in general. To be Yankee-specific, it’s probably not a good thing this year though. #$189M

  21. mick October 30th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    What can the Yankees do to make you a believer short of spending money, staying under or close to the cap, and bringing up a prospect or 2?

    This could all be done in 2014.

  22. mick October 30th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Mike F sez Fenway is charming.
    Been there, he’s right…

  23. mick October 30th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    For a Yankee fan, Francesa is objective as to the state of the RS in comparison to the Yanks.

  24. AAA October 30th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    For a Yankee fan, Francesa is objective as to the state of the RS in comparison to the Yanks

    ===========================

    Can’t get him on today. Can you give us the Reader’s Digest version of his thoughts?

  25. mick October 30th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    He just sounds like a RS fan, which here, is to say anything positive about them at all.
    Waxes poetic about Fenway, the setting, the charm.
    They are right on top of the field there and have a rah rah college atmosphere…
    That type of stuff.

  26. Ys Guy October 30th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    i agree with most of what francessa said about fenway. it is a great baseball experience.

    one word of warning though, i wouldnt want to be anywhere near massachussets if the RS lose game 7 on halloween night.

  27. tomingeorgia October 30th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Ys Guy,
    I wouldn’t want to be in Boston on Halloween even if they won!

  28. blake October 30th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Olney: Angels open to trading Bourjos and Trumbo for pitching
    By Mike Axisa
    Via Buster Olney: The Angels have expressed a willingness to trade Peter Bourjos and Mark Trumbo for pitching help as they look to revamp their staff. Right now their rotation is Jered Weaver, C.J. Wilson, Garrett Richards, Jerome Williams, and Joe Blanton. Obviously they want to upgrade at least the last two and maybe the last three spots.

    http://www.riveraveblues.com

    I’d maybe trade Phelps or Warren for Trumbo……I wouldn’t trade Nova for him and that’s likely who they’d want. Trumbo has RH power but he pretty much stinks at everything else.

  29. AAA October 30th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    I’d maybe trade Phelps or Warren for Trumbo

    =============================

    I agree. This is the Angels problem. Trumbo isn’t a player who is going to fetch better than what they have.

  30. Duh Innings II October 30th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    pkyankfan69 October 30th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    Screw the budget, screw the draft pick, screw our minors.

    Lets win!

    Resign Cano – 8 years – $200 M NO WAY 7 YEARS $140M, $2M more than David Wright who has a better career OBP/SLG/OPS/HR/RBI than Cano, $30M more than Pedroia who may collect his second World Series ring / one more WS ring than Cano and (Pedroia) wasn’t along for the ride for the first one (2007 A.L.Rookie Of The Year.)

    Resign Kuroda – 1 year – $15 M ONE YEAR $16M ($1M raise) as I don’t think Kuroda re-signs for the same amount he made in 2013.

    Sign McCann – 5 years – $75 M ABSOLUTELY NOT. His 2006-09 > 2010-13. Two years $17M or what Russell Martin a better defensive catcher with the same power took from Pittsburgh.
    McCann hasn’t been hitting like prime Posada for the past four years – he should not be paid like that.

    Sign Choo – 5 years – $90 M

    Yeah let’s lock up another guy for a half decade or more. Isn’t it bad enough the Yanks are stuck with Rodriguez (for the time being) and Teixiera? No way Choo is worth $18M a year.

    Sign Beltran – 2 years – $28M ONE YEAR $14M as he’s too old to give two years to

    Sign Tanaka – 6 years – $66 M YES I’D DO IT. If his career ERA as a Yankee is even as much as 1-1.5 more runs than his career ERA in Japan he’s a 3.30-3.80 ERA pitcher which is #2/#3 starter good for most teams nowadays.

    Sign Balfour – 2 years – $15 M $7.5M ISN’T GONNA DO IT. Rafael Soriano’s contract would (two years $11M a year with a $14M team option, $36M total.)

    Sign Brian Wilson 2 years – $15 M NO WAY OR NEED IF THE YANKS SIGN BALFOUR. I’d rather get J.P. Howell and re-sign Logan for a Balfour/Robertson/Howell/Logan/Kelley/Warren/Phelps bullpen.

  31. bigdan22 October 30th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    “one thing is for certain…..if Ichiro is a starter for the Yankees in 2014 then they aren’t serious about winning short term and they likely haven’t committed to getting any better long term either. THey are merely trying to sell tickets……Ichiro hasn’t been good enough to be a big league regular in like 3 years aside from a couple month last gasp in 2012…….hopefully he will retire but if he doesn’t then he should be strictly an extra outfielder next year.”

    Correct Blake. A few days ago I pointed out that RF and Ichiro, along with the Tanaka bidding, are two key indicators for the fans regarding the integrity of the ownership. Chad failed to point out that RF was one of the three positions that the Yanks finished last in offensively this past season. That’s inexcusable. There is absolutely no reason to believe Ichiro/Wells will improve in 2014.

  32. bigdan22 October 30th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    No to Trumbo. That is def not the Stick way to go.

  33. Chambliss October 30th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Fenway is charming?

    maybe from a distance.

    Parking is a nightmare. The seats are small, uncomfortable and very close together. The bathrooms are disgusting. The concourses are narrow and very cramped. Concessions are mediocre and overpriced.

    On the plus side, the fans are passionate and loud and the seats are close to the field.

    On balance, I do not find the Fenway experience to be enjoyable, but each to his own.

  34. mick October 30th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Each time I go to Fenway , the charm seem to wear off as reality sets in.
    But the TV screen can’t reflect that so the love affair is perpetual.
    The fans seem to be more together there more than any other as they seem to sense rallies in that bandbox, that can occur at any time.

  35. pkyankfan69 October 30th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Sign Brian Wilson 2 years – $15 M NO WAY OR NEED IF THE YANKS SIGN BALFOUR. I’d rather get J.P. Howell and re-sign Logan for a Balfour/Robertson/Howell/Logan/Kelley/Warren/Phelps bullpen.
    ———————-
    Out of my crazy – far reaching post you are going to complain about Brian Wilson? lol

  36. pkyankfan69 October 30th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Come on man, obviously that is not going happen

  37. mick October 30th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Why do we have to jump on any player that seems to be available?
    There prolly just that teams junk.
    No to Trumbo, he’s one dimensional and our young pitchers don’t grow on trees.

  38. mick October 30th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    I like when fans call Francesa buddy.
    He shoots a look out like “who ya calling buddy, I am not your buddy, go on…”

  39. randy l. October 30th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    the best decision the red sox ever made was keeping fenway and putting money into monetizing what they had by expanding where they could like the eats above the wall.

    fenway is a real home field advantage . the fans being so close to the action makes sure of that.

    the new yankee stadium is an embarrassment.

  40. bigdan22 October 30th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Two other points I think missed in the RF analysis. Austin’s wrist injury is chronic. It has popped up in prior seasons. Those injuries don’t heal by rest alone. We know how this movie ends. Austin will show up in ST feeling fine. Will be shut down in April. Get a cortisone shot. Feel a little better just in time to be shut down for surgery in June. See ya in 2015.

    As to Granderson. He will receive a QO. He will reject it. He will receive a 2-3 year offer in the market. I hope the Yanks re-sign him. I still think he’s the most efficient solution out there for outfield production.

  41. 86w183 October 30th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Fenway is a charming dump. Chambliss is right in all his points, but I’m still glad I went and experienced it. Would like to take in a game in the “Monster Seats” some day.

    The Yanks have set the bar extremely low in terms of offensive improvement in 2014 with the notable exceptions of 2B (.905 OPS) and CF (.791 OPS).

    The worst positions were DH (.583), Catcher (.587) and SS (.598). three positions below .600 is just incredibly feeble.

    3B (.633), RF (.655), 1B (.690) and LF (.692) were nothing to write home about.

  42. Ys Guy October 30th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    well, im a thin guy, so the size of fenway’s seats never bothered me. the small walkways were not a problem either as i pretty much stay in my seat and watch the game, i pretty much never go to the concessions because the food is always crappy and overpriced. the closeness of the fans to the field, (which was great in Yankee Stadium, too) really puts the fans ‘in the game’ and all the quirky angles make it unique.

    its not a place i’d want to go to watch games on a regular basis, but for a one game treat, it is truly one of the best places in america to watch a ballgame.

    new york used to have a great, historic stadium where the fans were were part of the game, but it was destroyed and replaced with a money generating soulless ediface.

  43. mick October 30th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    when you watch the game tonite look for a robert redford looking guy directly behind the plate and jerry kapstein, one time player agent about 5 seats to his left, he always has the yellow headphones on his head.
    They are at every game. The guy behind the plate owns Giant Glass and is a big NY Giant fan.
    His name is Drinkwater.

  44. AAA October 30th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    the best decision the red sox ever made was keeping fenway and putting money into monetizing what they had by expanding where they could like the eats above the wall.

    ==================================

    In truth, they had virtually no choice. I think they’ve done well with both renovations to the park and considerably improvements to the surrounding neighborhood, but even crap weasels like Lucchino and Henry couldn’t cut their way thru the politics of the city and/or state to make a waterfront park happen.

  45. randy l. October 30th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    ys guy-

    i had the best seat ever at fenway once and i had a green girder that i had to put each foot on one side or the other.

    true story
    short version
    wake up on cape cod sept 92ish, see if red sox win, they go into first place.
    they have already won first two or three games from yanks.
    drive to fenway to intervene in fate-butterfly effect and all.
    buy obstructed seat ticket
    go directly to yankee bullpen, interrupt carl taylor warming up yankee starter.
    tell him i’m putting whammy on red sox. he laughs.
    get beer dumped on head because yankee bullpen catcher talking to me.
    sit behind green steel girder, straddle really
    can see pitcher or hitter but not both at same time.
    jeff readon best reliever in league then pitching
    yanks down by one run two outs in 9th
    reardon in the sun
    roberto kelly in the shade.
    feeble first swing and miss,can’t see ball
    second bad swing , late foul ball
    0-2
    one strike to sweep
    red sox fans pounding floor with brooms
    fenway deafening
    randy gets religious
    puts ahead against steel girder
    prays for home run
    crack
    over the net
    tie game

    :)
    love fenway

  46. JobaTipsHisCap October 30th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    just bomb fenway already.

  47. mick October 30th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    nice repeat story randy…do you know you’ve told that before? :)

  48. mick October 30th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    don’t forget the part where you spoke to Kelly’s Dad down the 3rd base line after the game :)

  49. ronDL white October 30th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Thank you mick. I always see the dude with the yellow headphones, and the guy sitting about 5 seats to his left. I could never figure out who the guy on the left looked like. I thought it was an actor, but sometimes thought it was a Kennedy. You are absolutely correct, it’s Robert Redford. Bravo.

  50. blake October 30th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    “The worst positions were DH (.583), Catcher (.587) and SS (.598). three positions below .600 is just incredibly feeble.”

    it’s not feeble….it’s pathetic. And what’s interesting to me is that some folks think this was all Girardi’s fault……

  51. JobaTipsHisCap October 30th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    if you want more pain, then watch tonight’s game please.
    NBA is better option.

  52. randy l. October 30th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    ysguy-

    the really good thing about the new blog is speaking only to the people you want to.

    by the way, with you being a baseball fan, check out this site. i found it from being on twitter.

    http://perfectgame.org/Article.....ticle=9147

    something like 80% of all drafted players play in these tournaments.

  53. mick October 30th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    the really good thing about the new blog is speaking only to the people you want to.
    =========================
    this was always the case, nothing new here.

  54. Against All Odds October 30th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    mick October 30th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    ——————

    I always find it weird when ppl give them compliments and he tells them thank you but he says it in a quick hurry up and continue way.

  55. Shame Spencer October 30th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Just saw Chad’s post.. Chad is awesome.

  56. mick October 30th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    I always find it weird when ppl give them compliments and he tells them thank you but he says it in a quick hurry up and continue way.
    ========================
    it’s b/c he doesn’t mean it.
    the fans are his meal ticket.
    once he got pissed at a guy that called him michael.

  57. Doreen October 30th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    The only thing we did not do this summer that we had hoped was to get to a game at Fenway during the week we were on Cape Cod. The drive onto the Cape convinced us that once you’re there, you stay until you have to leave!!! LOL

    We have visited Wrigley, so Fenway has to be on that wish list. We were disappointed in Wrigley, and I think a lot had to do with the fact that the ivy wasn’t in yet and there was a ton of pigeon poop on all the seats, and the people weren’t too friendly (strange, isn’t Wrigley field referred to as the “Friendly Confines”?) .

    I don’t think new YS is an embarrassment. A miscalculation, yes, but not an embarrassment. I think it would have been best, as long as they were going to rebuild, to NOT use old YS as the guideline for building the new stadium, but rather start from scratch. There was never a chance that 100% of the people were going to be happy no matter what they did.

    (But I’m remembering, perhaps, that George wanted the stadium designed this way?)

  58. mick October 30th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    One thing about Francesa:

    He refuses to let steroids rob him of his love of the game.
    Steroids, if nothing else, taints the numbers and integrity of the game , if you let it, it’s hard not to, when Ortiz is hitting 700 in the Series.

  59. Duh Innings II October 30th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    2014 YANKEES

    ROTATION

    Sabathia $23M (what he made a year 2009-13 and will make a year 2014-15)
    Kuroda $16M ($1M raise)
    Tanaka $11M (per year for six years)
    Nova $3M (no arbirtation)
    Pineda, Phelps, Warren, Nuno, Banuelos, or Marshall $500K (around the rookie minimium)

    $53.5M for the rotation

    BULLPEN

    Balfour $11M (a year for two years plus a $14M team option or Rafael Soriano’s contract with Washinton)
    Robertson $5M (no arbitration)
    Howell $4M (a year for three years)
    Logan $4M (ditto)
    Latroy Hawkins $4M (2014 only)
    Jose Veras $4M (2014 only)
    Kelley $1.5M (no arbitration)

    $33.5M for the bullpen

    $87M for the pitching

    $102M – 45.9M for Teixiera (1B – $22.5M), Jeter (SS – $9.5M), Suzuki (OF – $6.5M), Soriano (LF – $5M), and a released Wells ($2.4M eaten) =

    $56.1M for the rest of the offense as follows:

    $15M Cano (2B – backload his contract 2014-16)
    $14.1M Granderson (RF – 2014 only)
    $14M Beltran (DH – 2014 only)
    $5M Gardner (no arbitration)
    $500K Romine (C – slight raise)
    $500K Casey McGehee (3B – if he posts just half his 2013 HR and RBI in Japan that’s 14 HR 47 RBI at 3B, 2 more HR and only 5 less RBI than the 2013 Yankees 3B)

    $49.1M spent on the rest of the starting nine

    $7M on the rest of the bench (Suzuki is the backup OF) and callups like this:

    $3.5M Ryan (Backup 2B/3B/SS)
    $1.5M Overbay (Backup 1B)
    $1.5M Three callups ($500K each)
    $500K Murphy (rookie minimum)

    $189M total payroll

    The rotation, bullpen, starting nine, and bench are set.

    Rotation reinforcements: Five from Pineda, Phelps, Warren, Nuno, Banuelos, Marshall

    Bullpen reinforcements: Clairborne, Betances, Cabral, Montgomery, Warren, Phelps

    Positional player reinforcements: Cervelli & whoever the other AAA catcher is (C), Adams & Joseph (any base and SS), veteran infielder signee (2B/SS), Austin, Almonte, Garcia (OF), O’Brien (1B)

    Sabathia, Tanaka, Teixiera, Cano, Balfour, Howell, and Logan are the only Yankees signed to guaranteed contracts beyond 2014.

    Kuroda, Jeter, Suzuki, Soriano, Beltran, Hawkins, Veras, and Overbay are old but still good players, and all of them could be let go after 2014. If the Yanks let go of all of them they’d clear $60.5M, $64M if they let go of Ryan, $74.5M if they let go of Granderson, too, $78.5M if they let go of both.

  60. AAA October 30th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    He refuses to let steroids rob him of his love of the game.

    =================================

    Don’t blame him. I won’t either. If you do, you really have to buy into the notion that pretty much everything since 1986 or so is tainted on some level. For the most part, we have no idea who was using and who wasn’t and neither the MLBPA nor MLB demonstrated the slightest interest in stopping it.

    It’s part of baseball’s history. No sense in running from it. Just like there’s no sense in running from the fact that for most of 7 decades, the game was both run and played by bigots. You recognize certain eras for what they were and draw your own conclusions.

  61. mick October 30th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Don’t blame him. I won’t either.
    =======================
    Just like it did with McGwire, Sosa and the capper being Bonds, when it becomes cartoon-like people complain. But most seem to love it, esp fans of the team.

    If someone hits 100 HR’s one year will there be an uproar?

  62. randy l. October 30th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    “Just saw Chad’s post.. Chad is awesome”

    shame-

    chad is great, but he didn’t address the cr(9) issue at all.

    that’s what was at the root of what the squabble was about last night.

  63. randy l. October 30th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    ” I think it would have been best, as long as they were going to rebuild, to NOT use old YS as the guideline for building the new stadium, but rather start from scratch.”

    doreen-

    my father in the old yankee stadium once stopped me when i was 10 or 11 and very specifically told me to remember the opponent standing a few feet from us. it was ted williams.

    my father hated the red sox and williams , but he also knew as a baseball fan greatness when he saw it. i kind of would have liked a continuation of that father/son thing at the same site.
    i saw kaline break his shoulder in a game ending shoestring catch in right field . i saw mantle and maris getting into a cab after a game from a few feet away. i remember thinking mantle’s neck and shoulders were bigger than any one i had ever seen.

    i really would have preferred some continuity with those memories and would rather not start over from scratch with a building that doesn’t seem connected to those memories.

  64. pete2 October 30th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Ichiro and Wells should be released. They are not even replacement level players anymore. Ichiro killed the team in the 2nd half, there were pitchers who put up better numbers than he did. If the Yankees are serious about contending, neither should be in the opening day lineup.

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