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Halloween with the Yankees

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 31, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Once again, I’m a bit of a dud on Halloween. Loved the holiday as a kid, but I’m afraid I’m not really the dress-up sort now that I’m older. Back when I was living in Scranton, my great friend Rick loved Halloween and played in a band that hosted a Halloween show every year. I used to throw on a cowboy hat — yes, of course I own one — and call that my costume. No concert this year, so no costume.

However, I am thinking about what costumes the Yankees might wear. I believe I did something similar to this last Halloween. The idea is this: What’s the best-case “costume” for some of the key Yankees next season? If the team had its way, what persona would these guys take on in 2014. Here are a few I came up with.

CC SabathiaCC Sabathia as
Marty McFly
Fire up the flux capacitor and set the DeLorean to any year from 2006 to 2011; even 2012 would be an improvement.

Alex Rodriguez as
The Invisible Man
Out of sight and out of mind, a disappearing act that would save considerable payroll.

Brett Gardner as
The Flash
Sometimes super speed is enough, as long as you’re willing to use it. Run, Brett, run!

Dave Robertson as
Luke Skywalker
Taught the ways of The Force by an old and wise mentor. Now it’s his turn to protect the galaxy (or, you know, the lead).

Mark Teixeira as
The Six Million Dollar Man
Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. Better, stronger, healthier.

Robinson Cano as
Dorothy
There’s no place like home! There’s no place like home! So why go anywhere else?

Michael Pineda as
A mummy
Might be covered in bandages, but back from the dead to terrorize the American League.

Eduardo Nunez as
Miley Cyrus
Don’t have to understand how or why success happens, as long as it happens.

Derek Jeter as
Mariano Rivera
Written off. Career believed to be finished. Can’t be reliable at this age. Rivera found a way; Jeter could do the same.

Hal Steinbrenner as
George Steinbrenner
Spend! Spend! Spend!

Associated Press photo

 
 

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197 Responses to “Halloween with the Yankees”

  1. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Cashman as Topo Gigio

    Here is just another example of him selfishly trying to take all the credit for the dynasty years by saying he was “better than stick”.

    http://stickme.files.wordpress.....igio-3.jpg

    Foolish puppet.

    :D

  2. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    I miss Nick…especially on a post like this.

  3. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Let me just say what a bad day this was for MLB and perhaps for the Yanks too by extension. Manfred’s statements are such a huge mess that if he’s not removed as an arbitrator, Arod’s lawyers may have colorable grounds to a get a court to overturn Horowitz’s eventual decision. I don’t think they would win but if they have such grounds and can at least get a court to hear them, they could get an injunction to set aside the suspension pending a hearing. If that happens this could drag out over a year. Now if Manfred is removed, he needs to be replaced. That means they’ll have to start all over again. Then we’re talking about January at least.

    This is a tough spot for Horowitz. I guess his day wasn’t great either.

  4. Pat M. October 31st, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    NY Knickerbockers road uni’s are crap and once again James Dolan is a moronic putz. I’m certain I’ll reference that sentiment at least 50 times this season

  5. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    I can post again.

    A non-A-Rod thread.

    That’s the treat rather than the trick which is having to hear about him.

    :)

  6. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 31st, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Prediction: Hughes wins 15 games for the Padres and credits the early lessons of Dave Eilland.

  7. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    MTU

    I have a feeling Alex will follow you here.

  8. pat October 31st, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Ellsbury, Garza and Drew join Beltran, Choo, McCann on Yank menu
    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/w.....-yank-menu

    One from Column A, 2 from Column B?

  9. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Tar-

    If that starts up again in any serious way I’m the Invisible Man not him.

    Or the Phantom.

    ;)

  10. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 31st, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    “The New York Yankees, where good players go for outrageous salaries to achieve mediocrity”

    Mostly true during the last 10 years.

  11. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Chad

    Your friends band sounds good. I have them playing in the background.

  12. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    No interest whatsoever in Drew.

    Beltran, Choo, McCann, and Ellsbury all cost our #18 draft pick.

  13. pat October 31st, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    CJNitkowski
    Why we drive to the rich neighborhoods to go trick or treating (mini Twix is for scale). pic.twitter.com/11J8oejRX9

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    bigdan22 – Austin and I are both attorneys and know how arbitrations work. :)

    Horowitz knows that it’s Arod on trial and not MLB. Let’s not get silly here.

    Now I will go and read all of the (I’m sure) very enlightening posts from the other forum attorneys…

    ;)

  15. jmills October 31st, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    I had a great, successful, Halloween. It was rainy a bit, but mild by all reasonable comparatives. The kids went crazy on the full sized Kit Kat bars! Next year, since it is a weekend, I do so hope my daughter makes it out. Given the fact she’s twenty and stuff, I wouldn’t blame her if she didn’t have a billion better things to do :D Here’s hoping ya’ all had a great night too!!!

  16. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Yeah I’ll pass on Drew. Jeter and Nunez and hope for the best.

    They have more important spots to target first. If you are talking about someone like Andrus or Castro… thats different. Drew my not even be better ( offensively) than Nunez next year.

  17. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    blake October 31st, 2013 at 9:34 pm
    “You’re welcome Tar. I’ve dabbled in the legal arts from time to time. Today I baked cookies though. Last night I cooked Pioneer Woman’s Best Baked Beans Ever. May be the best thing I ever tasted.”

    I made her beef fajitas and salsa last night….amazing

    I wish she were my mom. Ok, that’s not right. My mother-in-law then.

  18. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 31st, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Trisha, attorneys are like stockbrokers, they take whether you win or lose. It’s always a win win for the attorney. That’s why I distrust them all except for you.

  19. blake October 31st, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    blake says:
    October 31, 2013 at 9:38 pm
    The fact that pretty much every Biogenesis guy ended up admitting they used PEDs doesn’t bode well for Arod in the whole “he didn’t use PEDs argument” …..they can keep saying that all they want but nobody is gonna believe them.

    I do think MLB has overstepped and that this is a witch hunt to some degree…..but I also think that there is literally no way they woukd have done this without significant evidence that he used PEDs…..the question is the length of suspension .

    Every time tacopina says that Arod didn’t use PEDs I think it hurts his and his teams credibility a little…..he should his stop saying that and focus on their case

  20. Pat M. October 31st, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    McCann and Ellsbury are certainly worth the 18 overall pick

  21. blake October 31st, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    “I wish she were my mom. Ok, that’s not right. My mother-in-law then.”

    I’ve made several of her recipes…..”the bread” is the best thing ever even if one piece probably takes 1 year off your life

  22. blake October 31st, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Pat M. says:
    October 31, 2013 at 9:39 pm
    McCann and Ellsbury are certainly worth the 18 overall pick

    IMO neither is alone…..signing just one guy isn’t gonna make a difference for this team…..they are more than one player away.

    If they do sign somebody that costs be draft pick then they need to follow that up with more signings…..otherwise it’s pointless and it doesn’t get them anywhere. Also Id rather have Choo or Beltran than Ellsbury…..Choo is a better player who will get similar money and Beltran should be cheaper in terms of # of years

  23. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    bigdan

    Thanks for the recipe.
    My wife is a great cook, and I’ve already bookmarked the baked beans recipe, they look amazing. Now I just have to “butter her up” with something……… :D

  24. pat October 31st, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    newsdaymarcus
    Arbitrator Horowitz remaining silent (thus far) on the rantings between team A-Rod and MLB.

    Because that’s what arbitrators should do.

  25. Hankflorida October 31st, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    mick October 31st, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    If Hal is stupid enough to make a half ass attempt with this team, there will be plenty who will boycott the Yankees opening the gates of the City to the Mets.

    I hope he realizes this, I don’t see how he can’t.

    There was a great deal of interest on this blog as we counted down to the 2nd Wildcard. In Hal’s mind, the Yankee would have been playing in October if not for the injuries. I think that he will go below the cap, and if that turns out to be a half ass attempt but the Yankees still end up in a one game playoff, all will be forgiven.

  26. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    They might be but there is a good short-term alternative to McCann who doesn’t cost a draft pick, and who is way cheaper.

    We have catching depth. Why not just buy another year or two to see what we have ?

    I don’t see the Yankees making any kind of play for Ellsbury.

    They’d be much more likely to just keep Grandy for another year.

    Again, why not buy 1 or 2 more years to see what we really have in the Minors ?

  27. blake October 31st, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    pat says:
    October 31, 2013 at 9:43 pm
    newsdaymarcus
    Arbitrator Horowitz remaining silent (thus far) on the rantings between team A-Rod and MLB.

    Because that’s what arbitrators should do.”

    No what he should do is tell them all to shut up and make a ruling already

  28. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    “IMO neither is alone…..signing just one guy isn’t gonna make a difference for this team…..they are more than one player away.”

    Blake

    it’s that whole “pick a lane” issue again. It was frustrating last year, hopefully this year they got the message and will pick a lane.

  29. blake October 31st, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Yes if they for example did sign McCann and Cano only then the offense will be marginally better but still stink overalls most likely……that doesn’t make them a legit contender and it makes them more expensive and loses the best pick they have has in years.

    Basically it keeps them mediocre and does nothing to move them forward long term.

    If they sign McCann and lose the pick the they had better sign either Choo or Beltran……either Drew or Peralta, Tanaka, Kuroda and a DH and seriously go for it or it’s pointless

  30. pat October 31st, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Blake

    You might be half right. He could tell them all to shut up but issuing a ruling before the defense presents their case would definitely make the claims of witch hunt credible.

  31. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Knicks shouldn’t have left Rose wide open on that three. It woke him up.

  32. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    “He could tell them all to shut up but issuing a ruling before the defense presents their case would definitely make the claims of witch hunt credible.”

    Unless he ruled for the defense. :D

  33. jmills October 31st, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    MTU, I’m a good short term alternative! ( I can make it something’s that’s gonna’ last ) – :)

  34. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    “I do think MLB has overstepped and that this is a witch hunt to some degree…..but I also think that there is literally no way they woukd have done this without significant evidence that he used PEDs…..the question is the length of suspension .

    Every time tacopina says that Arod didn’t use PEDs I think it hurts his and his teams credibility a little…..he should his stop saying that and focus on their case”

    I think Tacopina is the type of lawyer that fights everything. Sometimes that works well. Sometimes that backfires. But perhaps there is some weakness in the evidence presented against Arod. Remember he hasn’t failed a drug test which I believe in and of itself constitutes reasonable doubt.

    I wouldn’t go so far as to call this a witch hunt but I do believe we have an abuse of authority here with touch a hypocrisy too. It’s really like that Claus von Bulow movie Reversal of Fortune (highly recommended). When they asked super liberal Dershowitz why he was representing such an unlikeable rich guy he said something to the effect that when authority abuses power it doesn’t matter if victim is rich and powerful because sooner or later it will be abused against someone who is weak and poor. Arod isn’t as sympathetic victim, but if what MLB is doing is wrong that needs to be exposed.

  35. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Blake-

    Tanaka is a somewhat separate issue from the others IMO.

    He’s potentially good value independent of anything else.

  36. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Castro would be worth having regardless of anything else they might do.

    But you are right about some of the others.

  37. blake October 31st, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    “You might be half right. He could tell them all to shut up but issuing a ruling before the defense presents their case would definitely make the claims of witch hunt credible.”

    I’m in favor of calling them in tomorrow for everyone to makes their cases and then make a ruling…..it’s just making baseball look bad….get on with it

  38. blake October 31st, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    “I think Tacopina is the type of lawyer that fights everything. Sometimes that works well. Sometimes that backfires. But perhaps there is some weakness in the evidence presented against Arod. Remember he hasn’t failed a drug test which I believe in and of itself constitutes reasonable doubt.”

    In this case it makes him look like a fraud IMO……no other player has even fought these accusations. Even Braun who weaseled put the first time admitted it based on the evidence they had against him…….it just doesn’t seem believable that Alex didn’t do anything …..Cervelli is the only other one that denied it and even he eventually admitted to using

  39. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    Blake-

    How bout we make a deal and not talk about A-rod until a decision is rendered ?

    Just me and you.

    Maybe some others will join us.

    You have to be as sick of it as I am.

  40. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Blake

    What are you doing with Jeter if they sign a SS?

  41. blake October 31st, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    “Tar says:
    October 31, 2013 at 9:56 pm
    Blake

    What are you doing with Jeter if they sign a SS?”

    I’ve said any times they should move him to 3B an get a SS

  42. blake October 31st, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    MTU,
    Deal

  43. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Tar-

    Please allow me.

    They play 3rd until Jeter can’t.

    Peralta can play both.

    And I’d bet Castro could too.

  44. Pat M. October 31st, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    blake…..I’m not endorsing this quick patch up type plan so they can be a Wildcard contender by signing either Ellsbury or McCann. They need to get themselves in position to be a 5 year contender by 2016. They let too many doors close on them over the past 2-3 years and there is no quick fix. They could have picked up some real nice pieces for Cano and Granderson last winter

  45. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Thanks Blake.

    Let’s try to stick to it.

    ;)

  46. Pat M. October 31st, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    MTU….Where do I sign ????

  47. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    blake October 31st, 2013 at 9:40 pm
    “I wish she were my mom. Ok, that’s not right. My mother-in-law then.”

    I’ve made several of her recipes…..”the bread” is the best thing ever even if one piece probably takes 1 year off your life

    Excuse me bread? I gotta check that out. I bought cake flour the other day because I think the protein level in my all purpose is too high and creating too much gluten in my cup cakes. This is getting serious.

  48. blake October 31st, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Pat M,
    Agree…. I just think they either need to commit to puttin be a real title contender on the field in 2014 or they need to keep that pick and stay flexible payroll wise. Losing that pick make no sense unless they are gonna be good enough to contend for a title……IMO it’s gonna take several moves to get them there

  49. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Time for bed soon.

    Big day tomorrow.

    Off to ATV and Photograph in the boonies.

    No A-Rod out there.

    ;)

  50. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Pat M.-

    Gentleman’s agreement.

    No signature necessary.

    :)

  51. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    I’ve said any times they should move him to 3B an get a SS”

    Michael Young for 3B is more appealing to me than Drew at SS is.

  52. blake October 31st, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    “Excuse me bread? I gotta check that out. I bought cake flour the other day because I think the protein level in my all purpose is too high and creating too much gluten in my cup cakes. This is getting serious.”

    It’s very simple but basically you take a fresh loaf of French bread and slice it in half……then soften 2 sticks of butter and spread a whole stick over each side completely coating the whole surface. Then put in the oven at 350 for a few minutes until it’s all melted into the bread…….then crank the broiler to high and watch it closely until it starts turning black on the surface all over…….it’s not burnt but just the butter crisping

    It’s amazing ….

  53. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    “In this case it makes him look like a fraud IMO……no other player has even fought these accusations. Even Braun who weaseled put the first time admitted it based on the evidence they had against him…….it just doesn’t seem believable that Alex didn’t do anything …..Cervelli is the only other one that denied it and even he eventually admitted to using”

    And it surprised me a bit that everyone else settled even though no drug tests were failed. I don’t think that would have happened if Marvin Miller or Donald Fehr ran the union. This reminds me of all those insider cases Guilianni brought in the 1980s. A bunch a guys early on got scared and settled and even did a little time. But a few later on fought and either won at trial or on appeal. A lot folks forgot about that but Rudy got his headlines and think that’s what that was about mostly.

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    MTU, I didn’t realize until I read what you said that this was a nonArod thread. :)

    Even though bigdan22 made some misstatements in it that related to the Arod situation, I will put my response to all the responses on the previous thread, on the previous thread! And I’ll continue discussion there if anyone wants to continue it.

  55. blake October 31st, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    “Michael Young for 3B is more appealing to me than Drew at SS is.”

    Jeter has to play somewhere…..he’s better suited for 3B at this point in his career and ideally they’d get a rangy SS to help out

  56. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Thanks Trisha.

    That’s really sweet of you.

    :)

  57. blake October 31st, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    “And it surprised me a bit that everyone else settled even though no drug tests were failed”

    Either way it suggests this stuff happened……doing you’re ruling on this why would the info for Arod be inaccurate when it was accurate for every other player?

    MLB hasn’t acted appropriately but so we believe they just made all this up to try and get Arod? I don’t think so…..and that’s basically what Tacopina is suggesting

  58. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Jeter has to play somewhere…..he’s better suited for 3B at this point in his career and ideally they’d get a rangy SS to help out”

    if the “rangy” SS can hit i’m all over it. Drew doesn’t fit that category. And I’m sure Jeter can play a passable SS for at least 1 more year. Still think they have a lot more pressing problems than SS.

  59. Pat M. October 31st, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Bogus whistle vs The Knicks at the buzzer . Come on guys

  60. jmills October 31st, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Lots of drugs in b-ball, probably right back to coke not long after the turn of the century.

  61. blake October 31st, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    “if the “rangy” SS can hit i’m all over it. Drew doesn’t fit that category. And I’m sure Jeter can play a passable SS for at least 1 more year. Still think they have a lot more pressing problems than SS.”

    The left side of their infield is the biggest problem they have other than catcher

  62. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    “It’s very simple but basically you take a fresh loaf of French bread and slice it in half……then soften 2 sticks of butter and spread a whole stick over each side completely coating the whole surface. Then put in the oven at 350 for a few minutes until it’s all melted into the bread…….then crank the broiler to high and watch it closely until it starts turning black on the surface all over…….it’s not burnt but just the butter crisping”

    That’s crazy simple. Prob can do that at halftime. Check out those baked beans if you get the chance. It takes a couple hours but you can make enough for Charlie Company. Unfortunately you’ll finish them before you say can quote your favorite line from Red Dawn.

  63. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    That’s crazy simple.”

    My wife does that, but she adds a little cheese. YUM

  64. blake October 31st, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    I have thought about making her baked beans before already so now I’ll have to

  65. jmills October 31st, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Up here, we had the sutpid Dublin Inquiry or whatever it was called. The surprise and point had nothing to do with, Ben Johnson, it had everything to do with everybody who endorsed it yet hid under the covers to this day while they super fillled the sprinter (s ) in that ’88 race.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    MTU, anything for you. I can understand why a lot of posters wouldn’t want to have to look at this stuff again, though I have to say that 126 (or whatever it is) is a lot of posts for people who are sick of a topic!

    I didn’t realize we had so many forum attorneys, haha. Well I guess I should have since we have so many forum GMs!!!

    :D

  67. jmills October 31st, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    I think its sad Barry Bonds eneded up making himself you as he did. Not all the money in the world is worth that! Ditto, Rocket Roger.

  68. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Have a good rest of your evening everyone.

    Maybe a brief visit in the AM.

    :)

  69. jmills October 31st, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    MTU, get your beauty sleep, we’ll discourse Koufax, in my backyard, upon the ‘morrow, Branden :) . ( On 2 day’s rest! )

  70. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    So Cash texted Cherington before the world series to say he was rooting for them. Some rivalry

  71. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    Mills-

    No amount of sleep is gonna help me with that.

    Manana.

    :)

  72. jmills October 31st, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Edit ” making himself appear as he did “. Why on earth, would Barry go and make himself look more delapitated than henceforth he had begun?, just doesn’t make any sense in this Alice’s world – SMH

  73. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 9:32 pm
    bigdan22 – Austin and I are both attorneys and know how arbitrations work. :)

    “Horowitz knows that it’s Arod on trial and not MLB. Let’s not get silly here.

    Now I will go and read all of the (I’m sure) very enlightening posts from the other forum attorneys…”

    Who’s on trial is irrelevant because this is not a trial it’s an arbitration. In a trial there are rules of evidence, there is a record and there is a right to an appeal. In arbitration there are no rules of evidence, no written decision with findings, no record and no right of appeal.

    Now I’m going to eat my beans.

  74. Chad Jennings October 31st, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    Tar October 31st, 2013 at 9:27 pm e

    Chad

    Your friends band sounds good. I have them playing in the background.

    They are pretty good. The local music scene in Scranton is kind of tough — a lot of people go out for local bands every night, but the crowds expect covers and not originals — but my friends have gotten out of town quite a bit to play some bigger shows and get some of their original material out there. I used to get on stage to play guitar with them on a Marley medley so that Rick (the front man) could go roaming through the crowd while he sang. I doubt I ever played in front of more than 150-200 people, but it always made me feel like a total rock star while I was up there.

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    “In arbitration there are no rules of evidence, no written decision with findings, no record and no right of appeal.”

    You are absolutely incorrect. I’ve been involved in many arbitrations.

    I don’t feel the need to elucidate at this point. I’m really much too tired.

    If you’re interested, I’ll be happy to do it another time.

    Yes, go eat your beans.

  76. Wave Your Hat October 31st, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Quick hit and run here. No one knows what is going on in this case or what the facts or arguments are, since it is all behind closed doors, so anyone taking a hard line on what is going to happen is telling more about their own biases than anything else.

  77. mick October 31st, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    There was a great deal of interest on this blog as we counted down to the 2nd Wildcard. In Hal’s mind, the Yankee would have been playing in October if not for the injuries. I think that he will go below the cap, and if that turns out to be a half ass attempt but the Yankees still end up in a one game playoff, all will be forgiven.
    ===============
    HankFla-

    Sorry but the wildcard is not enough of a goal. They have to go big, which might entail letting go of Cano , but picking up an Ellsbury and McCann. I think their pitching looks good, they need lefty power for that stadium.

  78. jmills October 31st, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Chad, when next you’re in town, I’ll do my best to get Lifeson upon the same next page as someone such as yourself :) ( well,…. I can’t promise )

  79. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Rock Star Chad :D

    Didn’t know you played guitar, great story.

  80. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 10:43 pm
    “In arbitration there are no rules of evidence, no written decision with findings, no record and no right of appeal.”

    “You are absolutely incorrect. I’ve been involved in many arbitrations.

    I don’t feel the need to elucidate at this point. I’m really much too tired”

    Simple question so as to not tire you out. Horowitz makes his decision next month. Neither party likes the decision and wants to appeal. Who hears the appeal?

  81. Against All Odds October 31st, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Their pitching looks good???

  82. jmills October 31st, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    http://r3—sn-ux3n588t-mj.....&mv=m

    Pretty good, no?

  83. pat October 31st, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    David Prouty, arbitrator #3, had no comment on the latest war of words.

  84. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    freaking Rose

  85. mick October 31st, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    For great finishes the NBA has the best , night after night , of any sport.

  86. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    5 sec should be enough time to make a play.

  87. mick October 31st, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Their pitching looks good???
    ==================
    If they bring back Kuroda and get Tanaka.

  88. mick October 31st, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Carmelo is not clutch.

  89. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Never understand the long jumper in that situation.

  90. mick October 31st, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Melo thinks others will follow to play with him in NY?

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    OT – I just found out something that I am so excited about and since it’s too late to start calling people, I figured it’d tell it here. One of the local parishes sponsors an orphanage down in Guatemala and they decided to actually go there next summer to help to bring God to the children. They wanted a group of teenagers and a group of adults to go and asked interested people to submit applications telling why they’d be interested in going and they said they would choose among the people who applied. I applied, and I just received an email telling me that I have been chosen to go!!! I am so EXCITED! So happy. And so grateful.

    Thanks for listening.

    I’m going to go and chill for the rest of the evening.

    :)

  92. Wave Your Hat October 31st, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    Bigdann22-

    Probably federal district court in Manhattan.

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    bigdan – I just saw your post. The appeal goes to the courts. Courts typically won’t upset a ruling unless they feel there’s good legal reason to do so.

  94. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    Chad the more I listen the more I like, really good harmonies. I had to google their names because your friends vocals sounded a whole lot like someone I knew 20 years ago. But they are not the same.

    But in searching I did find the guy I knew 20 years ago ( still playing)……this whole google world we live in is so bizarre.

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    Wave, thanks.

  96. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Thats great news trish… be careful.

  97. jmills October 31st, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    Trish, take care, come back in one piece, mon ami :)

  98. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Wave Your Hat October 31st, 2013 at 11:00 pm
    “Bigdann22-

    Probably federal district court in Manhattan”

    That wouldn’t be an appeal. A district court, like it’s state analog, NY Supreme Court (I know, a bad name but that’s what it is) is a trial court of general jurisdiction. It could be a place to go to seek an order setting aside an arbitrator’s decision for bias or misconduct (I talked about that earlier) but that would be a case of first impression and not an appeal. Arbitrations lack a record, or an opinion or findings so there isn’t anything to use for an appeal.

  99. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 11:04 pm
    bigdan – I just saw your post. The appeal goes to the courts. Courts typically won’t upset a ruling unless they feel there’s good legal reason to do so.

    See explanation above.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    Tar- thank you so much! I can’t overstate how excited I am. (I just hope I don’t have to see any of those slithering things that I hate so much…)

    jmills, thank you. :) There’s a meeting on November 14th and I guess I’ll find out a lot of particulars then. I don’t know if there are special shots I’ll need to get, what accommodations are going to be, I don’t know any of it. Just that I’m going.

  101. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    Gosh I’m wrong. Would of failed that question on the bar. A federal district court is not a court of general jurisdiction. It’s a court of limited jurisdiction because it’s a federal court. I’m not sure you could file your action to overturn the arbitration decision there unless you can show diversity or a federal question. But you could file your action in the state court I would think.

    Now how many lawyers on this blog caught that mistake?

  102. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    Trish,

    Does that mean you won’t be on here for the whole summer?

  103. Wave Your Hat October 31st, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Bigdan22-

    It would be technically a challenge of the decision which is for all intents and purposes what the normal person would consider an appeal. The burden would be very high as great deference is given to the arbitration decision.

  104. Wave Your Hat October 31st, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    Bigdan22-

    You could probably have diversity pretty easily here, wouldn’t you? Arid filed his lawsuit in district court and it hasn’t been removed.

  105. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    “Bigdan22-

    It would be technically a challenge of the decision which is for all intents and purposes what the normal person would consider an appeal. The burden would be very high as great deference is given to the arbitration decision.”

    The question was “do you have a right to appeal an arbitrator’s decision?” And the answer is most definitely no. Long before that question was raised I pointed out that Arod’s attorney’s may have received ammunition today to challenge Horowitz’s eventual decision in state court albeit with little chance of success.

  106. Wave Your Hat October 31st, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Bigdan22-

    Arbitration has rules of evidence, procedural codes, written decisions, the works. I’m not sure where you are getting your info. Arbitration procedures are looser than in civil trials but they exist.

  107. Wave Your Hat October 31st, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    Bigdan22-

    Distinction without a difference.

  108. jmills October 31st, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    Triple, now you must have other things to attend to? That shot at, Trish was not warranted!

  109. Wave Your Hat October 31st, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    That said, if the eventual ARod decision is challenged I agree it will probably fail.

  110. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    Triple, now you must have other things to attend to? That shot at, Trish was not warranted!

    —————————-

    It wasn’t a shot it was a question

  111. Wave Your Hat October 31st, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    Also, bigdan22, you are vastly overstating the importance of Manfred’s comments.

  112. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    I don’t know about diversity. Where does Arod reside? I bet MLB resides in NY but I’m not sure.

    Did Arod file in district court? If Arod did file in D. Court the proper challenge wouldn’t be removal. It would be a motion to dismiss for a lack of subject matter jurisdiction. I believe I read somewhere MLB did file a motion to dismiss. Removal is the procedure that takes you from state court to federal court. But it’s been awhile since I took Civil Procedure,

  113. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    bigdan – you’re wrong. Arbitrations are appealable to a court. And arbitrations do NOT lack an opinion or findings! I don’t know what kind of arbitrations you’ve been involved in, but I’ve never known an arbitration that didn’t have a written report!

    Let me say this. I don’t know the NY court system so I cannot say exactly which court it would go to.

    The courts’ standards are high so one side or the other would have to convince them there was some great miscarriage of justice in order for them to agree to hear the appeal.

    But the fact remains that the arbitration is appealable. Whether or not a court will agree to hear the appeal is another matter altogether.

    I didn’t see what you explained or where but it doesn’t matter at this point.

    The evidence is going to carry this case. End of story. (Nobody knows exactly what they have but I personally believe it is substantial. The other players accepting suspensions and a few of them coming out and admitting they received PEDs from Biogenesis doesn’t help that part of his case either.)

    Over and out.

    :)

  114. Wave Your Hat October 31st, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    Adios, I’m off to dreamland.

  115. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    Bigdan22-

    Arbitration has rules of evidence, procedural codes, written decisions, the works. I’m not sure where you are getting your info. Arbitration procedures are looser than in civil trials but they exist.

    I didn’t say arbitrations don’t have procedures. Of course they do but they do not have rules of evidence like the civil system. Hearsay if freely admitted and evidentiary objections are rarely made. Arbitrators can allow in any evidence they see fit. There is no record, and no requirement of a written decision with findings therefore no right to appeal. An arbitrator can issue a written decision if he/she sees fit but often does not.

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    bigdan22 – possession of anabolic steroids without a prescription is a federal offense.

  117. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    Wave Your Hat October 31st, 2013 at 11:33 pm
    Also, bigdan22, you are vastly overstating the importance of Manfred’s comments.

    Do really have experience trying arbitrations? I’ve done a few personally but the law firms I’ve been with have done hundreds if not thousands. If you do have experience with arbitration panels I’d be interested if you know of any arbitrator who has made any public statements remotely similar to Manfred’s today? In fact, I can’t think of any arbitrations where a panel member has ever spoken to the press at all. This is extremely unusual. That’s why I started this dialogue hours ago.

  118. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    My ruling is in favor of Bigdan22……….and it is NOT appealable!

    Of course you could take it to the Lohud kangaroo court, where they may or may not hear your plea.

  119. Chad Jennings October 31st, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    Tar October 31st, 2013 at 11:04 pm e

    Chad the more I listen the more I like, really good harmonies. I had to google their names because your friends vocals sounded a whole lot like someone I knew 20 years ago. But they are not the same.

    The harmony vocals come from the lead guitarist named John Canjar, who was my neighbor in Scranton and put out a terrific solo album a few years ago. He also used to play in an insanely good jam band with Mike Mizwinski. Look up some of Mizwinski’s stuff on YouTube. He’s really, really great.

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    “under federal and state laws, there are limited grounds on which a court may hear a party’s appeal on an award. Specifically, the law permits a district court to vacate or overturn an arbitration award if it finds that:”

    That should be enough to stop you, I would think. If it isn’t, chew on this, straight from an article on the Rodriguez arbitration:

    Can the arbitrator’s decision be challenged?

    Yes, but only in the judicial system, and legal observers have said the courts are reluctant to interfere with arbitration decisions.

    I’m done.

    Wave, you were absolutely correct in what you said.

  121. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 11:42 pm
    bigdan22 – possession of anabolic steroids without a prescription is a federal offense.

    But not a federal question for the purpose of establishing subject matter jurisdiction in petition to set aside an arbitrator’s decision.

    Next question.

  122. Chad Jennings October 31st, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    jmills October 31st, 2013 at 10:45 pm e

    Chad, when next you’re in town, I’ll do my best to get Lifeson upon the same next page as someone such as yourself :) ( well,…. I can’t promise )

    —-

    If Lifeson ever needs someone to stand next to him and knock out some chords, I’m totally his man!

    Random Rush story: I was having dinner with my girlfriend in this a but incredible restaurant in Minneapolis when Alex Lifeson and Geddy Lee walked in (they were playing the Target Center the next night). I’m pretty sure I was the only person the restaurant who recognized them. They asked for a table, were told the place was full, and so they smiled and walked away. I’ve always regretted not telling them to just join us. I think I was too stunned in the moment.

  123. bigdan22 October 31st, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    “trisha – true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 11:49 pm
    “under federal and state laws, there are limited grounds on which a court may hear a party’s appeal on an award. Specifically, the law permits a district court to vacate or overturn an arbitration award if it finds that:”

    That should be enough to stop you, I would think. If it isn’t, chew on this, straight from an article on the Rodriguez arbitration:

    Can the arbitrator’s decision be challenged?

    Yes, but only in the judicial system, and legal observers have said the courts are reluctant to interfere with arbitration decisions.

    I’m done.

    Wave, you were absolutely correct in what you said.”

    Like I said from the very beginning, parties to an arbitration have no right to an appeal. A federal district court is not an appellate court. Any action would have to be brought in a state or federal trial court as a matter of first impression. No record, no appeal. Very basic.

  124. Tar October 31st, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    “Look up some of Mizwinski’s stuff on YouTube.”

    Just did, have it saved… thanks.

    Have a good night everyone.

  125. Pat M. October 31st, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    After reading this for the past 20 minutes is why I hated Pre-Law and switched majors to History Education and Poly Sci.

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    “But not a federal question for the purpose of establishing subject matter jurisdiction in petition to set aside an arbitrator’s decision.”

    You’re wrong.

    I’m done. You’re too much Foster Brooks for me when it comes to your purported knowledge of the law.

    Continue to lead those who want to go there down your primrose path. We’ll see when all is said and done.

  127. Tar November 1st, 2013 at 12:04 am

    “Random Rush story:”

    Great story.

    My Random Keith Richards story.

    I was at a Tom Waits show on Broadway ( friend was in the crew) They had a bar downstairs next to the restrooms. But the bartender said he was closed. Just then keith walks down the steps to use the bathroom. (I tell my friend to watch this) When he comes out I say excuse me Keith I would love to buy you a drink, but the bartender says he closed. He says WHAT!!! and the OPOOR bartender can’t open quick enough. We stay down there the rest of show drinking on the house. :D ended up at the after party that was very wild. We all had a blast..He was a lot of fun to hang out with. Fun fact…. he is not a fan of Jeff Beck !!

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 1st, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Can the arbitrator’s decision be challenged?

    Yes, but only in the judicial system

    (In case you don’t know what judicial system means, it refers to the courts.)

    __________________________________

    …Specifically, the law permits a district court to vacate or overturn an arbitration award…

    (If the law permits a district court to vacate or overturn an arbitration award, that means the parties had to appeal the arbitration award in order for that to happen.)

    _________________________________

    Yet you say –

    “Like I said from the very beginning, parties to an arbitration have no right to an appeal.”

    :lol:

    Night now!

  129. jacksquat November 1st, 2013 at 12:17 am

    I think he meant there is no appeal in the arbitration system. You can turn to the courts for anything.

    Seems like a matter of semantics.

  130. Chad Jennings November 1st, 2013 at 12:21 am

    Well, that Keith Richards story basically tops any story I have.

  131. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Jeff Beck and his boring jazz fusion ” Wired ” gobley gook”.

  132. Pat M. November 1st, 2013 at 12:27 am

    I saw Jeff Beck play ” A Day in A Life ” at The Garden in 09 ( 25TH Anniversary HOF Concert ) . Mind blowing performance

  133. Hankflorida November 1st, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Sorry but the wildcard is not enough of a goal. They have to go big, which might entail letting go of Cano , but picking up an Ellsbury and McCann. I think their pitching looks good, they need lefty power for that stadium.

    Mick, I agree with you that the Wildcard should not be the goal and they have to go big, but judging from Hal’s action in putting together the blueprint for this years team, I cannot see Hal going over the cap and feel he will just do enough to get by. I hope you are right, but Hal seems like the type of guy who will look over his shoulder to see what his competition is in the two Wildcard spots and go from there. I always go back to Kippling’s quote when I think of Hal and not having to be the best, “In the valley of the blind, the one eyed man is king.”

  134. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 12:29 am

    Robert Fripp is another guy I don’t get. Denies himself as part of sediment, but, ‘cum on, Bob, you are, secular :) Bill Bruford must have been the understanding soul given what was goung on?

  135. bigdan22 November 1st, 2013 at 12:48 am

    jacksquat November 1st, 2013 at 12:17 am
    I think he meant there is no appeal in the arbitration system. You can turn to the courts for anything.

    Seems like a matter of semantics.

    Of course it’s semantics. It’s law, which is all about semantics. Cases are won and lost on what words are chosen all the time.

    But my point really is not about whether Horowitz’s eventual decision is “appealable.” It’s not but it can be challenged in court under very extraordinary circumstances. My point is before today, no such circumstances existed. But now they do, after the huge Christmas gift giving to Team Arod today by Manfred. While it’s still a longshot, Manfred’s statements do provide Arod’s attorneys with a basis for a petition to set aside Horowitz’s eventual decision. And that basis may be all that’s needed to extend this process weeks or months or longer. That’s why this affects the Yanks and their prospects next year.

  136. jacksquat November 1st, 2013 at 1:04 am

    I meant it’s a matter of semantics whether it is called an appeal or not.

    I don’t know why they bother having two biased arbiters. They should have 3 independent panel members and not leave it up to one person.

  137. ron November 1st, 2013 at 1:06 am

    Doubt arod would wan’t this to go to a real court because mlb has plenty of evidence,and arod has admitted to steroid use,plus every player took the suspention,and weiner,the union guy suggested arod take a suspention,wich says a lot.
    Right now,arod is playing around where he does not have to testify under oath.Doubt he want’s to go there.
    He will be suspended.

  138. bigdan22 November 1st, 2013 at 1:23 am

    Since I’m drinking wine right now let me explain why it’s appropriate to simply say arbitrations are final and not appealable. To understand this, pretend you are a practicing lawyer. Which means you are actually talking to clients and getting paid for your advice.

    Client comes to you with questions about his arbitration.

    Client: “Big Dan, what happens if we lose our arbitration?”

    Big Dan: “Well John, you are pretty much screwed then.”

    Client: “”You mean I can’t appeal?”

    Big Dan: “I told you this before John. Arbitrations are a lot cheaper than trials but you have no right to appeal. Whatever the arbitrators decide you have to live with.

    Client: “You mean there’s nothing we can do if we lose?”

    Big Dan: “Well we could try to go to court and get a judge to set aside the award but that has almost no chance of working so I advise against it.

    Client: So I guess you better win this arbitration then Big Dan.

    You see how this works. Now if this were a civil trial, it goes without saying that you will appeal any unfavorable result on behalf of your client. In fact, during the trial, you are actually working on the appeal. When you price out the case for your client, you include the appeal in your budget.

    So basically arbitrations are final and not appealable. End of story.

  139. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 1:32 am

    ” Since I’m drinking wine right now let me explain “

  140. joeman November 1st, 2013 at 1:48 am

    Bobby Caldwell is good for me..

  141. Duh Innings II November 1st, 2013 at 2:46 am

    LOL @ the photo of Kennedy, Hughes, and Chamberlain as the characters in The Wizard Of Oz. Kennedy was Dorothy, Hughes was The Tinman, and Chamberlain was The Cowardly Lion.

    When you think about it their Yankee careers mirrored those characters.

    Kennedy went off to a faraway land like Dorothy (Arizona Diamondbacks.)

    Hughes didn’t have a heart.

    Chamberlain didn’t have courage.

  142. pat November 1st, 2013 at 6:56 am

    bidan22

    You are either Buster Olney or he agrees with you.

    Buster_ESPN
    MLB believes in its evidence, so I’m not sure what the strategic value of this is. http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....rk-yankees

  143. pat November 1st, 2013 at 7:04 am

    The Team A-Rod/MLB sniping reminds me of 2 of our kids getting into a “I know you are but what am I fight”

    We used to tell the older one you’re older and more mature than that. Show it by not stooping to their level.

  144. blake November 1st, 2013 at 7:20 am

    “We used to tell the older one you’re older and more mature than that. Show it by not stooping to their level.”

    It’s making baseball look incredibly silly…….

  145. blake November 1st, 2013 at 7:26 am

    Cowherd is an idiot most of the time but I’m so happy he’s saying out loud what everyone should be thinking about big Papi .

  146. Doreen November 1st, 2013 at 7:38 am

    Blake

    Someone wrote a piece on No Maas delineating all of the not so nice things about David Ortiz. He included PED suspicion, but it was more than that. It was interesting to me how his behavior gets not just a pass, but a giggle and a “Papi being Papi” wave-off. Sometimes that’s life.

  147. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 7:40 am

    People sure are willing to trade their future disposition for a few extra home runs. Not me, I don’t think consuming any supplemental combustibles would have made a day’s difference, Dinah Washington. :)

  148. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 7:44 am

    I don’t see how Big Papi gets in, he had to play dh, is no where near 500, and is quite posterior to Delgado, McGriff and even Willie Upshaw if I want to make things up.

  149. 86w183 November 1st, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Good morning all —-

    I thought the character things were funny…. and especially true of CC and D-rob.

    The public sniping in the A-rod case is an embarrassment to all. Who knows when/if it will ever end. If his suit gets thrown out that’ll be a step towards closure.

    Ortiz has always been treated far better than ANY other player implicated in PEDs. not completely sure why, but it’s pretty clear.

  150. Doreen November 1st, 2013 at 7:52 am

    Some people just have a gift of making other people like them. Charm, charisma, whatever. Papi apparently has that, ARod not so much. People like that get away with a little more, at least until they really mess up. Bonds did not have it either. Clemens is an interesting case. I think he’s the one who had it until he really messed up.

  151. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 7:55 am

    86, Hi, it will be so much better for all you Yankee fans when Arod is gone. Personally though, for me, he just represents a whole period of complicity, and for that he is no less in my mind than where the game happily went to. Let’s get back to good olde Brady Anderson appearing out of nowhere and decimating 50 :) …..good lord, imagine what George Bell would have done?

  152. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Roger Clemens had two contrived over the top seasons in Toronto before opting out and forcing me to take back David Wells who never liked it here but received his only 20 win season in my midst. Ok, David, we are kinda’ baseball stupid here, and you might dislike, Cito, but things could have been worse, no?

  153. blake November 1st, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Doreen,
    true but I’ve never thought that how nice a player is to the media should matter in how they are pictured……it adds bias.

    I have heard a lot more in the sports news world about Papi juicing this week than I thought I would……perhaps folks are a little more aware of whats in front of their eyes now.

    Nobody knows for sure if he’s on anything but you have to at least be curious and suspicious

  154. joeman November 1st, 2013 at 8:04 am

    I have to say Papi is going to get into the HOF. He will get his 500 ..is he a lock to get in no

  155. joeman November 1st, 2013 at 8:07 am

    CC just being CC is a must for this team..I’m a little concerned about him cause there’s a lot of innings in that arm

  156. Doreen November 1st, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Blake,

    It shouldn’t. But it does.

  157. joeman November 1st, 2013 at 8:11 am

    jmills…

    there is a long list of Brady Anderson types

  158. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:12 am

    Maybe Big Papi is genuine though and gets by on legal beer and pizza like David Wells.

  159. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Doesn’t Ortiz only have about 438? Is he really going to last that much longer?

  160. blake November 1st, 2013 at 8:16 am

    there is no way Papi can get in unless all the other non DH steroid guys get in first…..oh and Edgar Martinez too

  161. joeman November 1st, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Rico Petrocelli in 1969 was on PEDs

  162. joeman November 1st, 2013 at 8:19 am

    jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:15 am
    Doesn’t Ortiz only have about 438? Is he really going to last that much longer?

    ————————-
    he’s 37 and hit 3o this year…he needs 69

  163. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:21 am

    ….gee, I didn’t know that about, Petrocelli, just goes to show what this Naomi Watts knows from Black River, Ontario :)

  164. joeman November 1st, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Blake…I know your not comparing Martinez and Ortiz.. Ortiz #’s will be above Martinez when he’s done playing..right now Martinez has over 1600 AB’s more & power #’s lean towards Ortiz already

  165. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Joe, 37 and the wonderful 69 to go?, I’m betting no unless he’s willing to be an ugly hanger on. He’s no Winfield when it comes to time. Just my worthless opinion.

  166. joeman November 1st, 2013 at 8:29 am

    listen I picked the NYY total wins on the nose this year & also Sox in 6 pick I’m on a roll…so Papi gets into HOF and I’m sticking with it

  167. MTU November 1st, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Doreen-

    Having been born w. charisma, charm, and wit I can tell you that you can and do get away with a lot more.

    And modesty too !

    :)

  168. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Oops, I think I got it wrong, I do believe Naomi Watts was from Deep River Ontario in the film, Mulholland Dr. Who’s counting?, either way she was fine in my books :)

  169. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:31 am

    MTU, we all know, you’re adorable! :D

  170. joeman November 1st, 2013 at 8:32 am

    jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:24 am
    Joe, 37 and the wonderful 69 to go?, I’m betting no unless he’s willing to be an ugly hanger on. He’s no Winfield when it comes to time. Just my worthless opinion
    ————————————————————————–
    sorry he has 373 HR’s

  171. joeman November 1st, 2013 at 8:33 am

    can someone look up how many HR’s Ortiz has

  172. 86w183 November 1st, 2013 at 8:36 am

    431…. 373 with Boston and 58 with Minnesota

  173. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:36 am

    373? Doesn’t Grover Cleveland Alexander have about as many wins as that? Cripes, Duke Snider has more tallies.

  174. blake November 1st, 2013 at 8:36 am

    “Blake…I know your not comparing Martinez and Ortiz.. Ortiz #’s will be above Martinez when he’s done playing..right now Martinez has over 1600 AB’s more & power #’s lean towards Ortiz already”

    Ortiz: .292.390 .572 .962. 148 OPS +
    Edgar: .312.418.515.933 147 OPA +

    very similar. Obviously Oritz has and will have more cumulative numbers but he also took steroids whereas Edgar was never connected to them.

    If the voters elect Ortiz while keeping guys like Bonds and Clemens (and Jeff Bagwell out just for rumors only) then the whole thing is a joke.

  175. MTU November 1st, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Mills-

    You don’t get to go to Heaven if you lie.

    Remember that.

    ;)

  176. joeman November 1st, 2013 at 8:38 am

    didn’t see the proof Ortiz took PEDs…can you show me

  177. joeman November 1st, 2013 at 8:39 am

    86w183 November 1st, 2013 at 8:36 am
    431…. 373 with Boston and 58 with Minnesota

    ————————
    thanks

  178. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Blake, it can’t get as bad as the rock and roll hall of fame,….can it?

  179. MTU November 1st, 2013 at 8:40 am

    “They are Lords and owners of their faces. And others but stewards of their excellence.”

    Beautifully stated, as always, Sir William.

    :)

  180. blake November 1st, 2013 at 8:41 am

    “didn’t see the proof Ortiz took PEDs…can you show me”

    he failed the same test Arod did in 2003. His and Arod’s name were the only ones that leaked out that failed the test……only difference was that nobody cared that Ortiz did.

  181. blake November 1st, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Ortiz confirms he tested positive in 2003; Ramirez also on the list

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....iz_ra.html

  182. MTU November 1st, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Leaving on an ATV trip to the boonies soon.

    Feel free to discuss A-Rod as much as you like in my absence.

    Hint : You might want to find some worthwhile to discuss though.

    :)

  183. 86w183 November 1st, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Guys —-

    Be careful with using stats properly

    Ortiz CAREER stats are .287, .381, .549, .930, 139 OPS +

    FWIW his Fenway Park stats are about 8-9 % better than at other parks

  184. blake November 1st, 2013 at 8:43 am

    “Based on the way I have lived my life, I am surprised to learn I tested positive. Two, I will find out what I tested positive for. And, three, based on whatever I learn, I will share this information with my club and the public. You know me – I will not hide and I will not make excuses.”

    this is what he said at the time……have we ever heard anything else from him about it? Looks like he hid to me…..

  185. LGY November 1st, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Bigdan was absolutely correct last night.

    You don’t “appeal” an arbitration decision. You file a motion to vacate the award.

    This is basic stuff that Trisha should know if she has been involved in many arbitration proceedings as she claims.

    Courts only hear appeals from a lower court of law, which an arbitration panel is not.

  186. MTU November 1st, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Ramirez hit the stuff so hard he developed Moobs.

    :)

  187. MTU November 1st, 2013 at 8:46 am

    edit: something

  188. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:48 am

    I want to be owner of my face AND steward of my somewhat excellence ( gets me thinking about Sir Jackie Stewart, ” its a fine day for a motor race ” )

  189. 86w183 November 1st, 2013 at 8:50 am

    I guess it’ll be an interesting weekend waiting for the QO decisions throughout MLB.

    Deadline is Monday @ 5:00pm Eastern if I’m not mistaken.

    Also IF Tanaka can finish off World Series in Japan Saturday his posting situation might become more clear.

  190. MTU November 1st, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Before I take off.

    Here’s my OS Rx for Yankees :

    Kuroda and Tanaka
    Cano/Phillips
    AJ P
    Peralta
    Castro
    Grandy

    Makes them better at several areas of weakness.

    Doesn’t cost that draft pick.

    It’s relatively inexpensive and doable.

    :)

  191. jmills November 1st, 2013 at 8:59 am

    MTU, in the words of Doug and Bob Mackenzie, and Geddy Lee and his little dog too, ” take off to the great white north, take off, its a beauty way to go ” – bring your long underwear mon ami

  192. MTU November 1st, 2013 at 9:00 am

    I’m off.

    Have a great day.

    :)

  193. Doreen November 1st, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Enjoy, MTU.

  194. blake November 1st, 2013 at 9:06 am

    “Be careful with using stats properly”

    yea but his 148 career OPS takes park factor into account and thats still really good ……if he wasn’t a DH and PED user.

  195. 4TrainNorth November 1st, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Ellsbury seems like a dud to me. Pass. McCann is the #1 priority. Unless Cano tries to pull some BS, in which case B. Phillips is #1.

  196. 4TrainNorth November 1st, 2013 at 9:09 am

    And we all know Oritz has used in his career. What I’d really like to know is if he used throughout this postseason, of heavily in the run-up to it. Would he be that bold in light of everything that’s going on and, according to him, being subject to fairly routine testing?

  197. 86w183 November 1st, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Blake —

    I love using OPS +, but you are citing the wrong stats

    Papi’s 148 OPS + is as a Red Sawx…. it’s 139 for his career


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