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LoHud Yankees chat tomorrow at noon

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 31, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Now that the World Series is over, let’s talk about the postseason and everything that comes next.

We’ll do a chat here on the blog tomorrow at noon. Seems like a good time to talk about what kept the Yankees out of the postseason this year, and what they need to do to get back there next year. The free agent market opens up in a little less than a week, and we’re only a few days from teams making qualifying offers. We’ll talk about all of that.

Hope you can stop by. Noon. Friday. Chat. See you then.

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66 Responses to “LoHud Yankees chat tomorrow at noon”

  1. Doreen October 31st, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    J. Alfred -

    Agree that the talent was also not there, along with underperformance of some who did have talent. Still, character was not the issue.

  2. Doreen October 31st, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    From Sweeny Murti, and I think it’s a very good take:

    – While the Yankees sat home to watch the new model organizations of baseball — the Red Sox and the Cardinals — in the World Series, just remember a couple things:

    In the format that MLB has created, the baseball playoffs have been turned into the NCAA tournament. In the last 14 seasons, the Red Sox have missed that tournament seven times. And the Cardinals once came away with a World Series title after a season in which they won only 83 games (2006), and then didn’t win a single playoff game again until 2011.

    The Yankees are not the same powerhouse they used to be, but they have gotten into this new Big Dance more often than anyone else. It doesn’t mean they don’t have to think about changing the way a few things are done internally. But they are still more successful on the field than we sometimes realize, especially when compared to other teams perceived as better-run organizations.

  3. Bret The Hitman October 31st, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Blake,

    She just mentioned about some place in Weaverville that has free wine tastings plus glasses of wine plus cheese plates. Biltmore is really pricey. I’m thinking me and her can bring our own bottle and picnic at NC Arboretum. Can anyone recommend a good Italian wine?

    http://www.ncarboretum.org/

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    “The Yankees are not the same powerhouse they used to be, but they have gotten into this new Big Dance more often than anyone else. It doesn’t mean they don’t have to think about changing the way a few things are done internally. But they are still more successful on the field than we sometimes realize, especially when compared to other teams perceived as better-run organizations”

    A few of us said this same thing last night but it fell on deaf ears.

    Sometimes the coolest heads are those who can move away from emotion and stay with logic.

  5. Doreen October 31st, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    This is the article the above is taken from:

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/20.....and-a-rod/

    Interesting take on the difference between how/why people react differently to Ortiz & ARod, but I wonder why he didn’t talk about ARod’s playoff stats before 2009?

  6. luis October 31st, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    luis October 31st, 2013 at 12:05 pm
    Good morning all,

    I have had a little time to think things over, so here are a few thoughts that I have:

    1) The teams that are doing things smartly are: Dodgers, Sox, Cards, Tampa and Oakland IMO

    They have different approaches as to how to go about it:

    Dodgers: They have basically become the Yankees of old…Taking on contracts no one else would in order to get certain players… Outbidding everyone on the FA market…And a very aggressive approach in the IFA market…This model works because they have a good homegrown core in place that it is young…Much like the Yankees was in the late 90?s and
    most of the 00?s decade.

    Boston: They found a partner to dump those contracts that would have hindered their future success…Then invested heavily on the farm ( best farm system according to BA )…And asembled a very good team without compromising the long term health of the team…In fact, they played the way the Yankees used to play the game…That team was as balanced as you could build a team…As much as this pains me to say it…On top of it, they have plenty of payroll space to add to it and a good farm to keep on producing players for them.

    Cards: Did things mostly like the Sox did with a more reliance on their farm…the difference is that they knew when to cut ties with certain players and weren’t forced to dump contratcs as Boston did…their talent evaluation department is as good as anyone

    Tampa and Oakland: Rely mostly on their scouting ability and on player development since they have so very limited financial resources…Their talent evaluation is off the charts…Imagine if this teams had the financial resources the Yankees, Boston or the Dodgers have…

    The Yankees need to find a Hybrid strategy…They can’t go the Dodgers way because they don’t have a core in place… No one would take our bad contracts, so Boston’s way is not an option… And even though the Yankees could blow up the cap, i honestly don’t think that would be smart… Cards would be my choice if I have to pick one, sinceTampa’s and Oakland’s have restrains that we don’t have. What I think they need to do is invest heavily on the farm both in drafting and player development, and invest heavily on the IFA market…Then use their financial advantage to compliment the team with FA’s…This means an overhaul of the whole FO, starting with the GM…The sooner they do this the sooner we will be back on top.

    There is a lesson to be learned from this though…The farm can never be forgotten like it used to be…it needs to become a talent producing line on a consistent basis…

  7. randy l. October 31st, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    “I seldom, if ever, watch ESPN, but one night I was looking for scores, and they’re talking about this great play made by the Pirates C, Tony Sanchez, and one guy says; “I know his uncle would be very proud of this young man.” I say to myself, I use to talk to that uncle on LoHud, before he got chased away, and I now hope he returns.”

    big al-

    sj44 is right here:

    https://twitter.com/sportsJC16

    he’s on there everyday. i follow him. he follows me.

    join twitter, and make him and a whole lot of others part of your daily baseball experience.

    this blog alone doesn’t have enough info. there are times when no one is on and there are no good discussions.

    build up your twitter baseball connections and add them to this blog and you have broken free from the black hole of low info that the blog sometimes becomes.

  8. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    “The Yankees need to find a Hybrid strategy”

    Now you’re talking. There’s no way they were going to do the young guy thing exclusively, unless they really have abandoned worrying about winning in the here and now.

  9. blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    “The Yankees are not the same powerhouse they used to be, but they have gotten into this new Big Dance more often than anyone else. It doesn’t mean they don’t have to think about changing the way a few things are done internally. But they are still more successful on the field than we sometimes realize, especially when compared to other teams perceived as better-run organizations.”

    This is very misleading because most of those times making the playoffs were when the core of the team was younger and was before the self imposed salary restrictions

  10. luis October 31st, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Thanks for the posts on Aldred and Patterson guys…good read

    But about LR…I am with MTU…He lost me

  11. blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Bret,
    Sounds good….I’ve heard of those places but never been .

    Off topic have you been to the French broad chocolate lounge? It’s a cool place that has reallh great coffee.

    Also this restaurant called the admiral is excellent…..it’s seriously in a cement block building that looks like a gas station or something by the food is gourmet level

  12. Bret The Hitman October 31st, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Blake,

    I haven’t been. I hear there’s a chocolate factory downtown that is amazing. Is that the French broad chocolate lounge?

  13. randy l. October 31st, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    “What I think they need to do is invest heavily on the farm both in drafting and player development, and invest heavily on the IFA market…Then use their financial advantage to compliment the team with FA’s…This means an overhaul of the whole FO, starting with the GM…The sooner they do this the sooner we will be back on top.”

    luis-

    “overhaul” is the operative word.

    no organization changes if no one in it changes.

    of course some major heads need to roll in the yankees brain trust to get positive change.

  14. blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    “I haven’t been. I hear there’s a chocolate factory downtown that is amazing. Is that the French broad chocolate lounge?”

    It could be the same place…..it’s downtown not far from Tupelo. Great coffee and desserts etc

  15. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    luis-

    I go further.

    I worry about LR messing up the good work being done by guys like Aldred and Patterson when he works with guys coming up from there.

    He seems very poor at fixing mechanical issues. And very unimaginative.

    His philosophy of pitching sounds good but it’s really just the pitching version of the big, hairy approach.

    Oh well. We have to hope he does better over the next several years.

  16. blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    “What I think they need to do is invest heavily on the farm both in drafting and player development, and invest heavily on the IFA market…Then use their financial advantage to compliment the team with FA’s…This means an overhaul of the whole FO, starting with the GM…The sooner they do this the sooner we will be back on top.”

    They should be doing these things no matter what route the choose at the big league level…..if they haven’t been then it’s a disgrace

  17. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Many moons ago I opined that the Yankees did not need a superstar at every position, just good solid players. That predates when the Yankees were picking up people like Tex (probably one of the few times I agreed with Pete Abe when I said the Yankees didn’t need Tex and I didn’t believe they were going to get him anyway.) I also gagged when they took Arod back after the 2007 WS announcement. It appears that I was right to gag.

    For people who like to pretend there is no history, just tomorrow, you need to be reminded that the Yankees went through a period of buying like crazy, and on the heels of all of the NY media and the rest of the free world accusing the Yankees of buying their championships, Brian Cashman announced that there was going to be a hiatus on spending and that they were going to start looking within their own system to find their players. I don’t know how long that lasted, but the spending started up again when Torre kept delivering one and outs.

    It’s not easy to be the New York Yankees because even some of their players had adopted the “anything short of a WS win is a failure” mentality. That’s tough on players who aren’t made of steel.

    Playing for the Yankees is unlike playing for any other team. Don’t kid yourself if you think it isn’t. It’s one place where everything has to be aligned for success: the right players, all made of the kid of stuff that allows them to perform on the biggest stage in sports and take the licks that goes with it when they don’t perform.

    So don’t lull yourselves into a false mentality that if the Yankees do things the way you think they should – whatever that might be – all will end well.

    The gauntlet was set down a while ago, when George put it out there, and now that’s what continues to define the expectations of and for this team.

    Good luck on that.

    You can do everything “right” and still come up short.

    Welcome to the New York Yankees. Decide you love them win, lose, or draw, because otherwise you might be leading a lonely life.

  18. luis October 31st, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    What I mean by hybrid strategy is that we need to concentrate on rebuilding the core the next couple of seasons…There is no way around it…I was talking more in LT terms about the hybrid strategy…One where you no longer neglect the farm, but make it an integral part of your strategy going forward… Then avoid long term commitments to FA’s or know when to cut ties with players before it is too late…

  19. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Randy-

    From the current indications I don’t think anyone of import is going to get the axe.

    They are picking off the easy targets and leaving the ones deserving termination alone, i.e. Newman.

    Not a foreshadowing of significant change as many of us had hoped.

    :(

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock October 31st, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    BIG AL October 31st, 2013 at 11:58 am

    JAP -

    I agree, and wonder if Hal would put a baseball coach in charge of hie hotel business. I doubt it, because he’d want his business run by someone knowledgeable of the hotel business, and all the Yankees want is a quality baseball man running the every day baseball operations, and by qualified, I don’t include Cashman.
    ///

    Randy, I agree it’s a good read.

    I posted the same link at 11:34 :).

    When I read it back then, I thought there was some hope after all for the beleaguered talents we don’t seem to ever nurture to fulfillment.

    As per that 11:34 post, I intuitively liked Patterson. You had to see this guy, longish white hair blowing all over the place (I think everyone else in the park had on a cap or cupela or at least a hoodie), arms tucked under (he was in a regular button down shirt), knees together – shivering a little, trying to keep warm – but pitched forward from his seat, dead argus-eyed on that pitching mound…. never wavered in his attention.

  21. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Bret – do you mind if I ask Chad to email you my email address. There are some questions I want to ask you having to do with nutritional supplements that I don’t want to ask you over the internet. You’ll understand when you see them.

    Thanks.

  22. Doreen October 31st, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    blake,

    2008 and 2013 are the only years in just about 2 decades they didn’t make the playoffs.

  23. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Trisha-

    Even though that goal may be unobtainable with great regularity I think it is a worthy one.

    One that the best sports franchise in baseball should aspire to. I fully approve of it.

    It all starts with setting the goal.

    Achieving it is another thing as you point out. That shouldn’t stop them from setting the standard by which they wish to be judged.

    It is in fact, the thing that distinguishes the Yankees from all others.

    If it were easy everyone would have 27 championships.

  24. J. Alfred Prufrock October 31st, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    BIG AL October 31st, 2013 at 11:58 am

    JAP -

    I agree, and wonder if Hal would put a baseball coach in charge of hie hotel business. I doubt it, because he’d want his business run by someone knowledgeable of the hotel business, and all the Yankees want is a quality baseball man running the every day baseball operations, and by qualified, I don’t include Cashman.
    //

    AL,

    Hal does seem to have a flippant neophyte’s attitude towards baseball and seems to kind of feel it’s his place to “demystify” the Yankees.

    Why wouldn’t he though: Bill Madden has quoted a source who says he “hates the players,” and GLove and I have both wondered in here whether Hal has some kind of deep-seated animosity towards the Yankees, since his father doted on them (perhaps to some neglect of the boys). That sounds a little Dr. Phil I suppose, but it’s interesting that it occurred to me (and GLove, he’s got some hilarious posts about it on record here) before the Madden piece came out.

    Whatever his issues are, the bottom line is, you’re right: the hotel business he probably has passionate and definitive ideas about.

    Baseball? He doesn’t seem to have his heart in that at all. Wildly inappropriate, that the most storied, most successful franchise in sports history is being waved at by the owner like a Russell Martin 2011 ALDS swing: not up to the task.

  25. blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Doreen says:
    October 31, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    blake,

    2008 and 2013 are the only years in just about 2 decades they didn’t make the playoffs.

    Yes and I’ve made that argument before but what did they do after 2008? They spent over 400 million bucks in longterm contracts to make sure that didn’t happen again.

    My point is that the last 2 decades really aren’t a reflection of what the team is now…..the core is old and thy aren’t spending money like that anymore.

    The past isn’t really relevant in this case IMO

  26. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    I love talking about the Yankees future.

    The only problem is I need to go get some exercise.

    So I’ll be back later.

    If you don’t demand excellence you’ll likely only achieve it by accident, or never.

    ;)

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    luis – I couldn’t agree with you more. Read my post on not needing superstars at every position.

    Maybe a good thing about this no longer being the Boss’s team (though I really loved the guy and miss him terribly) is that there will be a different way of doing business.

    As long as the emphasis is on winning at all costs, there will be no building a core. It used to break my heart to see the young pitchers sold off but at that point, they were considered nothing more than trading chips. And very strong ones.

    Look at the Cards pitching staff. They have so many talented kids in there. Young, talented kids.

    (I still go back to my worry about having the head to play in the Bronx, but that’s a reality we’re going to have to deal with and just hope for the best.)

    There’s no denying that the St. Louis fan base loves and nurtures their players, no matter what. It is their identity and hallmark. I know the NY fan base will never be there, so we have to hope that these kids understand and can deal with the expectations that come with wearing the pinstripes and the disappointments they may be caused to feel when they don’t meet those expectations.

    The Sux fanbase is equally rabid. Everything looked cute and rosy last night but if you think back to last season, empty seats were plentiful at each and every game.

  28. blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    for the last 20 years to have any sort of relevance to the current situation the Yankees are in…..they need to go out and sign McCann, choo, Tanka, Granderson or Beltran, and then probably a DH and another reliever or 2 also.

    That’s what the Yankees that made the playoffs every year for 2 decades did……these aren’t those Yankees based on what we know now

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock October 31st, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Doreen October 31st, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    J. Alfred -

    Agree that the talent was also not there, along with underperformance of some who did have talent. Still, character was not the issue.
    ///

    Yeah, I don’t give much credence to the “character” flaw argument, because all too often, I think those comments derive from cultural biases. Someone’s idea of “character” can be limited to what equates “caring” through their own cultural filter.

    We had a brief window to make it when Soriano and Alex were levitating the club and Gardner was healthy and getting leadoff XBH.

    Unfortunately, the pitching finally blew a gasket under the strain of having to walk a tightrope all year. But all of that was wholly understandable, considering the odds of the whole deal and we were never a true contender, any way.

  30. blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    the last time the Yankees had a season this bad they went out and signed Sabathia, Teixera, Burnett and traded for Nick Swisher. They won the WS the next year……of course that came at a price because now tex’s deal is an albatross, Burnett was a waste of money, and now CC is overpaid as well……..they need to tread carefully and decide who they want to be because if they intend to decrease payroll long term then the old ways aren’t going to work

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    MTU – it’s a good aspiration certainly but if you set it in stone, the way it has been, then you are going to be looking at long-term expensive contracts and players who get old and break down in the life of the contract.

    I don’t know the answer but with so many teams and the additional wild card and the crack down on steroids, dynasties are going to be much harder to come by.

    I think you have to look at making the postseason every single year as winning and then keep your fingers crossed from there.

    Yankee fans have been spoiled.

  32. Warning Track Power October 31st, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    FYI: My Halloween costume today is a tribute to the YANKEES!

    Down with the Red Sox and their PED using leader, David Ortiz

  33. luis October 31st, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Got to go guys….Good posts all around

    Blake,

    Yes…They should do it regardless…And the fact that they haven’t, it is a disgrace

    Randy,

    Yes…What I don’t get is this… If after several trials and errors, it is clear that Mr C can’t do the job… Why isn’t he out already?

    MTU,

    I am with you on all you said about LR…More importantly, how can’t he see that a pitcher is hurting and he continues to run him out there?…I like your analogy of the hairy mosnters ;)

    JAP,

    Thanks for your input…You were missed!!!

    later guys

  34. Warning Track Power October 31st, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    the last time the Yankees had a season this bad they went out and signed Sabathia, Teixera, Burnett and traded for Nick Swisher. They won the WS the next year……of course that came at a price because now tex’s deal is an albatross, Burnett was a waste of money, and now CC is overpaid as well……..they need to tread carefully and decide who they want to be because if they intend to decrease payroll long term then the old ways aren’t going to work
    —————————————————————————————————-
    You are way out of line.
    The WS title is priceless. If winning that title took signing those players to big contracts, IMO, that was money well spent. Of course the money could have been spent better, but what if the team had spent wisely and there was no WS title? People like you would complain the team did not spend enough to win.
    So the team is in a no win situation with a lot of Yankees fans who want the cake and they want to eat it.

  35. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Trisha-

    Win now and keeping valuable MiLB are not necessarily at odds IMO.

    When too many talented MiLB leave the fold it is a sign of poor self-scouting rather than a flaw in philosophy.

    A Team, any Team, has to be excellent at knowing what they have.

    Who to keep and who can be made available.

    That’s the right way to do it.

    And it proves no contradiction whatsoever FWIS.

    Actually it is an essential process and it must be top notch for the Team to make the most of it’s assets.

    Some guys, from the day they are drafted, are designed to be traded.

    ;)

  36. Doreen October 31st, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    blake

    I agree that the 2013 team has not very much in common with the teams that went before it.

  37. blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    “You are way out of line.
    The WS title is priceless. If winning that title took signing those players to big contracts, IMO, that was money well spent. ”

    I didn’t say anything about the value of it…..just stating the facts. You could make an argument that 1 WS made it worth it……just you could also argue that those contracts have put them in a much worse situation long term meaning it could be a lot longer until they win another one.

    I think it was worth it but the owner is making it a harder decision than it should be

  38. J. Alfred Prufrock October 31st, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    luis October 31st, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    What I mean by hybrid strategy is that we need to concentrate on rebuilding the core the next couple of seasons…There is no way around it…I was talking more in LT terms about the hybrid strategy…One where you no longer neglect the farm, but make it an integral part of your strategy going forward… Then avoid long term commitments to FA’s or know when to cut ties with players before it is too late…
    ///

    primo, good morning :)

    Good post on the state of other teams vs. us.

    I’m really not all that interested in much until ST and the AA kids, since the latter has some interesting possibilities, or at least long shots in the present, but perhaps mainstays in the future. We’ll see how that progresses, which interests me most.

    I got spared Game 6 – having bought tickets to see Richard III at the Belasco in NYC last night.

    Instead of watching Boston clinch, I got to see probably the greatest living stage actor in the world, Mark Rylance.

    There were some Boston caps and jerseys around town, but the great thing about NY is that you pass people very quickly and they disappear into the ever moving throng :)

    Any way, I highly recommend anyone within striking distance drops everything and rushes to see Rylance and his troupe double Richard III and Twelfth Night at the Belasco :)

    Heading out for lunch.

  39. MTU October 31st, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    I’m sorry. I’m out for now.

    Time to get some exercise.

    Back later.

  40. blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    the Yankees from 1996 to 2012 had a core group of players that were either elite level or that used to be elite and were still good to very good. They also had an ownership that until recently did pretty much whatever was needed to ensure that the team could compete for a title that year.

    That’s not the case right now…..that core is declining or has declined and the ownership is more interested in saving money than they are winning…..not sure how you can spin it any other way.

    The Yankees would make more money from a playoff birth and the revenue created by going deep into the playoffs than they would have getting under the luxury tax……that’s where they should be focused on trying to make money……by winning! That’s what made the Yankees worth 3+ billion dollars…….it certainly wasn’t efficiency…..it was winning baseball games and creating their brand of excellence

  41. Shame Spencer October 31st, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Doreen October 31st, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    blake

    I agree that the 2013 team has not very much in common with the teams that went before it.

    ——————–

    Yeah, spending money is mostly how we got to the playoffs every year for two decades.

  42. Warning Track Power October 31st, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    “You are way out of line.
    The WS title is priceless. If winning that title took signing those players to big contracts, IMO, that was money well spent. ”

    I didn’t say anything about the value of it…..just stating the facts. You could make an argument that 1 WS made it worth it……just you could also argue that those contracts have put them in a much worse situation long term meaning it could be a lot longer until they win another one.

    I think it was worth it but the owner is making it a harder decision than it should be
    ——————————————————————————————
    I guess my stance is the WS title was worth it and I’m not about to complain about the big money contracts years down the line when the team has not won another.
    Can’t have it both ways. But I know a lot of fans around here look forward to complaining day after day. Let’s face it, there are some here who give up on a baseball game when the Yankees are losing 1-0 after the 1st inning.

    It cost tens of millions of dollars to acquire Tex, C.C. A.J., etc…….without all of them there would be no WS titles in 2009.
    I know A.J. was probably the most frustrating player on the roster in 2009 and his stats did not equate to the $$ he was being paid, but that’s just the way the deals are made these days.
    Think of all the money the Yankees were not paying to guys like Cano and currently Robertson because they were not yet eligible for FREE AGENCY.

  43. Shame Spencer October 31st, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    And they should always have been worried about the draft/development (at least they should have started when Cash said they would!!) because too many assets is only a problem that exists on this blog and not in real life.

  44. blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    I hope the people in charge of the Yankees aren’t going to sit around and rest on what they have done in the past……if they do then the future won’t be very bright.

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock October 31st, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    JAP,

    Thanks for your input…You were missed!!!

    later guys
    ///

    Primo, I have been busy with the project I emailed you about (every exciting, very demanding) and honestly, if we were in it, I would have been around more. I’ve had no interest in talking about the Red Sox on a Yankee blog.

    I’ll be more of a presence when moves get made, by us and other teams. 2013 is dead and gone: good riddance!

    And looking forward to seeing you next month! :D

  46. blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    “I guess my stance is the WS title was worth it and I’m not about to complain about the big money contracts years down the line when the team has not won another.”

    you’re missing the point…..

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    MTU – that’s why I sit and cheer for the team. There is so much that goes into getting to the final dance, including luck and getting hot at the right time, that only the best baseball minds (tried and true paid experts) are going to get it as right as it can be gotten.

    And on the lesser relevant pursuits, arm-chair GM is one of my least worthy attributes. :)

    No matter what the Yankees do, IMO, unless they make it to the end, the fan base in general is not going to be satisfied.

    And in the realm of “you can’t please all the people all the time” there is little unanimity on what needs to be done anyway. The arm-chair GMs here have different opinions on how to do it.

    I don’t need to complicate my life or take years away from it by pretending I know how the Yankees should run their team and then stressing out over it when they don’t do things my way!

    So I wait, watch, and hope, look forward to seeing each season unfold, and have fun with the people here with whom one can have fun!

    In that way, I always have the keys to the kingdom.

    Love my Yankees, up or down.

    ;)

  48. Warning Track Power October 31st, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    blake October 31st, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    “I guess my stance is the WS title was worth it and I’m not about to complain about the big money contracts years down the line when the team has not won another.”

    you’re missing the point…..
    ————————————————-
    What’s the point???

  49. Shame Spencer October 31st, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Team Evil:

    SP: Darth Vader
    SP: Jason
    SP: Smoke Monster
    SP: Robert Patrick
    SP: Regan (while possessed.. obv)

    C: Hannibal Lector
    1B: The Blob
    2B: Scar
    SS: Pennywise
    3B: Voldemort
    RF: Ursula
    CF: Sharknado
    LF: Freddy Krueger

    Bench: Cujo, Nosferatu, Norman Bates, Stay Puft Marshmallow Man

    Manager: Satan
    GM: Jafar

    Happy Halloween everyone!!

  50. Shame Spencer October 31st, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Ah, fack.. I forgot Chucky.

    Shout out to chicken for his contributions – which I took into serious consideration.

  51. blake October 31st, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    “you’re missing the point…..
    ————————————————-
    What’s the point???”

    That comparing this current Yankee team to the ones of the last 20 years is misleading ….because they are older and aren’t spending money like they used to

  52. Giuseppe Franco October 31st, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Most reasonable fans aren’t expecting a superstar at every position and would be fine with the team opting for spending less while putting much more emphasis on developing from within.

    The biggest problem with that approach is that they’ve failed miserably at developing their own after Cashman told us in 2006 that player development was going to be a strength for this organization.

    You can’t tighten the purse strings and expect to be a perennial WS contender when your organization has done a horrible job in player development and you refuse to take risks on extremely talented IFAs.

  53. Shame Spencer October 31st, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    I don’t care about the baggage in contracts that the Yankees are carrying.. I care that it’s making them not spend more.

    It’s a decision between caring about the $100 million they owe players x, y, and z vs. caring about the $3+ billion dollars the team is worth.

  54. blake October 31st, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Most reasonable fans aren’t expecting a superstar at every position and would be fine with the team opting for spending less while putting much more emphasis on developing from within.”

    I could get on board with that if they do it right…..and I don’t mean some half a$s middle of the road thing like they always do.

    Basically the Yankees either need to sign everybody this winter…..or not sign anybody past a year or two (other than maybe Cano and Tanaka )

  55. Shame Spencer October 31st, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    The biggest problem with that approach is that they’ve failed miserably at developing their own after Cashman told us in 2006 that player development was going to be a strength for this organization.

    ——————–

    I feel like he just said it and had some guys in place and felt like they knew what they were doing.. there’s this weird argument you hear where people ask where any prospects would have played anyway, as if that excuses not developing many.

  56. blake October 31st, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    “I don’t care about the baggage in contracts that the Yankees are carrying.. I care that it’s making them not spend more.”

    Yes this is what I was trying to say

  57. Shame Spencer October 31st, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Oops, don’t know how I sent that without completing my thought.

    It should end with: ‘But they always needed to develop guys to fill holes within the org or via trades.’

  58. Giuseppe Franco October 31st, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Aw, Shame. How can you create a Team Evil without Michael Myers and Leatherface?

    I’m disappointed.

  59. blake October 31st, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Everyone remember tonight that no matter how fast you run …..Michael Myers can walk faster

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    GF – it is a mess as we speak, no question.

    I hate the long-term contracts that will continue to haunt us until they disappear. The problem is that the Yankee way has been that as long as we have them, we’re going to play them. That means that as long as we have players at positions for which they are being paid handsomely, as long as they can make it onto the field, they will own those positions. That alone is depressing – and debilitating.

    Unfortuntely, I think the player development experiment went out the window as quickly as it came when murderer’s row and Cano went one and out. That was 2006. If you remember, George was livid that year but still gave support to Torre as manager. That’s the year he should have been canned, IMO. He basically set the tone for picking veterans over young guys, and he continued with that. I think we picked up some big-name contracts right after that. So there probably was never any attention given to player development after that.

    About the IFAs. I don’t know whether bad experiences soured the Yankees, or they didn’t want to pick up unknowns at positions they already had sewn up, but they definitely have stayed away from them. I’m hoping that with the recognized need for shoring up the rotation, they will take a flyer on Tanaka. I’m thinking they will. At least it’s a place they have a need, so there’s no good reason not to do it.

  61. Giuseppe Franco October 31st, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    blake October 31st, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    I could get on board with that if they do it right…..and I don’t mean some half a$s middle of the road thing like they always do.

    —–

    Absolutely….I think most of us would be on board with that. Their problem is that they don’t have the right baseball people in place to make that happen.

    But at least they fired the strength and conditioning coach!

  62. Shame Spencer October 31st, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    There were many contenders for Team Evil… feel free to post your own line ups!! :D

  63. Shame Spencer October 31st, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    :arrow:

  64. Giuseppe Franco October 31st, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Trisha,

    They’ve had the same people in place on the developmental side since 2006 and they still aren’t getting results. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of accountability for that so I’m not sure it’s going to get better anytime soon.

    I’m hoping that the rise of guys like Cespedes, Puig, Chapman, etc, etc will be enough to kick Hal in the pants (really, really, really hard) and convince him that they need to be more aggressive with IFAs.

  65. Hankflorida October 31st, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    If the Yankees had the starting pitching and played in a pitchers park like the Cleveland Indians did when they had Feller, Lemon, Garcia and Wynn, I could understand them going for a hybrid team that is predicated on manufacturing runs, but based on the reality of their staff as it is now, I would think that the Yankees would need a high priced power driven team to compensate for their lack of starting pitchers. In other words, a gas guzzling vehicle instead of a hybrid.

  66. Bret The Hitman October 31st, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Bret – do you mind if I ask Chad to email you my email address. There are some questions I want to ask you having to do with nutritional supplements that I don’t want to ask you over the internet. You’ll understand when you see them.

    Thanks.

    _______________

    Sure thing, Trisha

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