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A few mid-day notes and links

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Just a few notes and links on this first day of free agency…

• Curtis Granderson rarely makes a definitive statement. If you’ve noticed, his pregame and postgame interviews are often an overwhelming attempt to see every side of every issue. And during a radio interview earlier today, he seemed to take the same approach talking about the Yankees qualifying offer. “Well, it’s definitely something you’ve got to think about,” Granderson told MLB Network Radio. “And I appreciate the Yankees extending that offer to me. You definitely got to continue to weigh all your options to see what’s the best fit for you.”

• Speaking of qualifying offers, Ken Rosenthal says the Yankees and Red Sox are two of the earlier offseason winners because three qualifying offers from each team set up either reasonable short-term contracts with impact players or eventual draft pick compensation for those farm systems. As Rosenthal points out, two of baseball’s highest-spending teams benefiting from the compensation process wasn’t exactly the plan when the system was put in place.

• I guess this technically isn’t a Yankees story right now, but ESPN says Jay-Z is being investigated because of a birthday gift he gave Robinson Cano. Basically, the league has rules in place that are intended to keep an agent from giving a gift — such as, for example, a $33,900 watch — that might entice a player to stay with that agent for reasons that have nothing to do with actual representation. Ninety-nine problems, am I right Jay?

• During the season, I sit next to Andy McCullough in the press box, and I know he’s a big believer in Brian McCann as an elite middle-of-the-order hitter. Today, McCullough looked at McCann as a possible fit for the Yankees as an offensive upgrade behind the plate. As Andy notes in his own understated way, the Yankees current in-house catchers lack “dynamism.” Yes, indeed.

• A behind-the-scenes addition for the Yankees: According to Juan Rodriguez from the Sun Sentinel, the Yankees have signed former Marlins third-base coach and minor league manager Joe Espada to be a special assistant and scout. The Yankees have done this before, bringing people with on-field experience to bring a different sort of scouting eye to the organization. “Anytime the Yankees call or you have an organization that’s won 27 World Championships, you listen,” Espada said. “They’re looking for baseball people to help their scouting department and get back to the postseason. I listened to their ideas and their plans, and was very interested to see more and be part of a winning organization.”

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127 Responses to “A few mid-day notes and links”

  1. Hankflorida November 5th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Wanzies, we agree that the cap should not be etched in stone, but having Choo and Granderson who can take advantage of the rightnfield porch at the Stadium is a luxury; since I go back to the stone age of baseball in 1941, I can tell you that the two left handed outfielders, Keller and Henrich, who played with DiMaggio were not known to take advantage of left handed pitching but still managed to match Joltin Joe with thirty homers. Many right handed players bat lefty in order to take advantage of playing mostly against right handed pitchers, and the architects who designed Yankee Stadium were aware of the fact that good left handed pitchers were few and far between.

  2. blake November 5th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    “blake – For me, I’d be more interested in guys like Navarro and Bello at C. Cervelli and Romaine have some trade value and Navarro and Bello only cost $$… Hal’s $$. Plus, McCann and Salty scare me defensively, so I can imagine how Girardi would feel about them.”

    Honestly I don’t care as long as they have a real catcher next year…..

    I have a feeling they might sign Choo…..I just hope they put some more stuff with him

  3. pkyankfan69 November 5th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    “And I appreciate the Yankees extending that offer to me. ”

    lol… I’m sure Grandy just loves being attached to draft pick compensation… He is a smart guy though, always says exactly the right thing.

  4. blake November 5th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Everyone should make these baked beans….they are the best thing ever

  5. blake November 5th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Id like to get Granderson back of his market doesn’t develop…..30 homer guy who doesn’t cost a draft pick. He is young enough to bounce back and be good again

  6. blake November 5th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Id sign Grandy right now for 3/30 if he would

  7. wanzies222 November 5th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Hank -

    I’m not suggesting that LHB vs the porch aren’t a good thing, just not sure that for the price, Granderson and Choo may not be the answer. Choo is great against RHP, but I don’t think you get him as a platoon at that price. And by price, I’m including the number of years as well. I would gladly trade Granderson for a compensatory pick.

    FWIW, Tommy Henrich was a great storyteller…I got to spend quite a bit of time with him in his later years. He loved to remind whoever wanted to hear that he transcended the Gehrig era to the Mantle era.

  8. blake November 5th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Choo hits RHP like Miggy Cabrera and although he can’t hit lefties he still got on base amost 35 % of the time in 2013 against them…..he’d be like addin another Cano to the lineup in 2/3 of the games

  9. blake November 5th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    If the yanks are losing the draft pick then Choo is probably the best player to sign IMO…..he’s the 2nd best player on the market to me

  10. wanzies222 November 5th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    blake – If the Yanks are willing to give up the draft pick on Choo, then IMO, they had better be all in on EVERY FA…. McCann, Jiminez, Ellsbury, you name him, go spend it, Hal.

  11. Vince November 5th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    I can’t see the Yankees failing to sign a single one of those 10 players. I would let Kuroda and Granderson walk and really go hard after Tanaka and Choo. Every single one of your OF’s are gone after 2014 so you may as well have one locked up (and Granderson is not the answer, OBP is.)

    Tanaka is a future investment and the Yankees can bring back their old friend, Bartolo, if they wanted to also.

    Offer Cano a 7/168 ceiling and treat it as either a lot of picks in a deep draft, or Choo and Cano forming two top six hitters in a lineup for the future and work from there.

    They should not concentrate on becoming a contender in one offseason, they should have a 2-3 year plan and mature the farm system instead. That way, we “compete” in 2014-2015 like we did in 2013, but we “contend” in 2016-beyond.

  12. Vince November 5th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Also, by doing this, you lose your 18th pick but you gain 2-3 in the 30ish range, none of these guys will break the bank (and Tanaka will cost mostly in posting fee). You will have good pieces without tying up payroll, and once they get their tax break, they will have money to burn, a farm system to rely upon again and expiring contracts still on the way by 2016.

  13. Giuseppe Franco November 5th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    wanzies222 November 5th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    blake – If the Yanks are willing to give up the draft pick on Choo, then IMO, they had better be all in on EVERY FA…. McCann, Jiminez, Ellsbury, you name him, go spend it, Hal.

    —–

    That’s essentially what I think needs to happen. They can’t do this half ass.

    Either go all in or blow it up and keep the pick.

  14. wanzies222 November 5th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Vince & Giuseppe,

    Agree; I posted on the previous thread a way that they could do both (keep the picks and actually add to them) with the idea that the “plan” would be deferred from 2014 to 2017 ish. I can go back and repost if you’d like, but I don’t want to derail the thread….

  15. Vince November 5th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Going all in would be insanity. Those guys aren’t going to sustain greatness, you can’t build a core from a FA pool. Even in 2009 those guys were missing links to a core already there. The Yankees do not have any sort of relevant core right now. It was supposed to be Cano, Tex, A-Rod, Grandy and only one of those guys has been what he needs to be.

    They need to develop a new core, get a piece here or there and then attack once that core is in place. Don’t put the cart before the horse.

  16. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    I’m gonna’ get me one of those bug-sized drones and fly it right into Yankee headquarters so I can get the really skinny.

    No more of this wishing to be a fly on the wall stuff.

    ;)

  17. Vince November 5th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Wanzies – Absolutely. They need to just be honest and say “look, we’re going to compete so you fans do not have to be subjected to a crap product, but if you want the 90′s back it’s going to take a few years.”

    I think most fans would get it and are more scared there is no plan than if one was blatantly laid out for them.

  18. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    edit: should read “real skinny”.

    I’m never gonna be really skinny.

    :)

  19. Giuseppe Franco November 5th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    I’m a believer in resigning Kuroda if he wants to return, especially when they have so many question marks in the rotation.

    Some fans seem to focusing too much on the last 6 weeks of Kuroda’s season and not enough on his performance from April through August. Not to mention his entire 2012 season.

    I think he just simply ran out of gas. The guy had been money throughout most of his 2 seasons in pinstripes to kick him to the curb.

  20. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Vince-

    You haven’t been posting in a long time too.

    Guess the OS creates renewed interest.

    ;)

  21. chicken little November 5th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    i agree with what is being written here — if the yanks aren’t willing to give up the draft pick then they have committed to only go after the following big name free agents: cano and tanaka (and perhaps Garza, though i don’t see him as a big free agent). that will not get it done in the short term absent a big trade or two (with teams like the rays looking for mlb ready talent, not sure how the yanks could pull one of those off). so its either: decide to give up the draft pick and go after some or all of the other big name free agents or rebuild and take your lumps the next couple of years. of course, the yanks probably will pick door #3 — sign cano, try for tanaka, then add a bunch of bargain basement types and hope that is enough.

  22. Hankflorida November 5th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Blake, I can’t agree with you more about Granderson. If Soriano can play the outfield at his age instead of at DH, the Yankees could try to get a power player to DH to go with Cano and Text and still fulfill Hal’s cap restrictions. It is a far cry from the team we had a few years ago where Jeter was the only player without the home run numbers, but Hal is the owner of the team not George so “we have to dance with who we brung.”

  23. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    GF-

    That’s the way I see it too.

    I’d love to have him back.

    Just need to manage his innings a little better.

  24. wanzies222 November 5th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    FWIW, here’s the post from the previous thread… food for discussion, if nothing else:

    I think, and this is strictly my opinion, that from a business model perspective, the Yankees are at a point where they are going to have to retool and rethink their timeline. They just don’t have the players at the right levels to limp along with the holes that exist.

    That’s why I think, were it me, I would defer (not ignore, defer) the goal of getting under the tax threshold. The “reset button” will always be there, assuming the CBO stays relatively in place going forward. As you suggest, the execs have learned (well, they’ve seen it, so I hope they’ve learned it) that NOT making the playoffs has a dramatic effect on the brand and the bottom line. In their world, that is unacceptable. W-L be damned, it’s about the bottom line for the suits. Which is fine, as you so aptly stated, it’s costly to lose.

    That said, I’ll give you a roster that will, with the additional bennies and 15 home-grown roster spots, may achieve the long term goal (at least it will foster some debate, I imagine…lol):

    C – Navarro, Bell – 4M
    IF – Teixeira, Cano, Jeter, Peralta, Infante, Mustelier – 56M
    OF – Soriano, Chris Young, Hart, Ichiro, Almonte – 32M
    SP – CC, Tanaka, Kuroda, Nolasco, Garza, Johnson – 93M
    RP/SP – Oh Seung-Hwan, Yoon Suk-Min, Hughes (yes, for QO in 2014) – 15M
    BP – 3-4 homegrowns + Robertson, Mujica, Balfour – 20M
    A-Rod – pick a number… best guess – 100 game suspension + 6M bonus – 15M

    That totals 210M, plus bennies and additional roster spots and you’re at about 260M, which, with tax, is about 290M.

    Should be competitive, and retains the draft picks. Also includes a few chips for QO for 2014 (Johnson, Hughes and Hart). The various pieces you don’t see (Warren, Phelps, etc.) are assumed to have been shopped for prospects. Again, the assumption is that one of the few avenues the team has to acquire youth is via it’s pocketbook, which in this case is a two-step process….sell the current assets and buy replacements in FA (but with contracts that don’t go beyond 2017).

    Might work, might not, but I think it gives the organization a chance to retool.

  25. Pat M. November 5th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    Senior Franco…..For me especially when it comes to aging arms, it’s not about where you stated from but more importantly it’s where ( and how ) you ended. I’m a huge Kuroda fan, but I just need to be less reliant on him as I see him more as a mid rotation guy whose best starts are on his topps card

  26. Giuseppe Franco November 5th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    Vince November 5th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Going all in would be insanity. Those guys aren’t going to sustain greatness, you can’t build a core from a FA pool. Even in 2009 those guys were missing links to a core already there. The Yankees do not have any sort of relevant core right now. It was supposed to be Cano, Tex, A-Rod, Grandy and only one of those guys has been what he needs to be.

    They need to develop a new core, get a piece here or there and then attack once that core is in place. Don’t put the cart before the horse.

    ——

    That’s fair enough and I agree they need to develop a new core. The problem with that, though, is they suck at drafting and developing their own.

    I’ve said here many times that their biggest problem is the front office has played far too many games of checkers the last several years and not enough games of chess.

    For that reason, they’ve been robbing Peter to pay Paul every offseason and then ignored some of the extremely talented IFAs.

    I’m hoping they’ve learned from these failures because they are going to have a really hard time developing a new young core when they haven’t been very good at drafting their own and youngsters from other teams never hitting the free agent market.

  27. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    222-

    Your infield has some duplication.

    For example, why would you need Infante if you have Cano ?

    Also, where is GGBG ? Have you traded him ? If so, I oppose that.

    And Nova, where is he ? Traded also ? For whom ? Castro ?

    Where are all our relievers ? i.e. D-Rob, Claiborne, Kelley ?

    Are we to assume you’ve traded all these people ?

    All I can say is WoW. And no thanks.

    ;)

  28. wanzies222 November 5th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Giuseppe –

    Couldn’t agree more regarding the organization’s drafting philosophy. The “high risk, high reward” approach is ludicrous, particularly in the first round!! It just didn’t work. Granted, they have drafting later than most other teams, but the success rate for the bottom third of the first round is still 15% (historically). Somebody is getting it right, just not the Yankees.

    The encouraging news is that that approach changed in 2013 and they got three solid players (at least in terms of conventional scouting)… no more “who is that guy” picks. So there is hope, but it takes 3-5 to develop those players. I don’t think Hal or their accountants or the fans want to wait. Have they spoiled us? You bet. I like being spoiled.

  29. wanzies222 November 5th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    MTU –

    I put that roster together with an eye to 2015 as well. I’m thinking Jeter’s last year in 2014.

    I made a blanket suggestion that many of the current assets (Gardner, Nova, etc.) were traded to restock the farm while they were cost controlled and had value to another organization. I don’t believe the team has the luxury of being able to cherry pick who they keep (mostly because they don’t have a very good roster as currently constructed).

  30. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    I am in favor of evolution rather than revolution.

    Add as many good pieces as you can this OS.

    Don’t surrender the draft pick.

    In fact, try to add to it w. supplemental ones.

    Try for Castro.

    If not get Jhonny P, or Freese.

    AJ P would be a good get for a yr or so. Or even Carlos Ruiz.

    Let’s see what we’ve got for 1 more season.

    If things are still looking grim then in 2015 we can open up the money spigot again having reset the Tax.

  31. Giuseppe Franco November 5th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Pat M. November 5th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    Senior Franco…..For me especially when it comes to aging arms, it’s not about where you stated from but more importantly it’s where ( and how ) you ended. I’m a huge Kuroda fan, but I just need to be less reliant on him as I see him more as a mid rotation guy whose best starts are on his topps card

    ——

    I have no issues with that. I think the team did rely too much on Kuroda during the season and he was just burned out towards the end. He certainly didn’t forget how to pitch.

    Kuroda wasn’t supposed to be their ace but he pitched like one most of the season. Sabathia having such a down year obviously hurt a ton and losing a guy like Phelps really hurt too.

    The offense being so futile until after A-Rod returned put far too much stress on the pitching staff – both rotation and pen – and in the end I think the entire staff ran out of gas.

  32. TKR November 5th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Brandon Phillips talk is out there again as a fall back..

  33. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    222-

    I’m not in favor of that approach.

    And if they want a Jeter replacement they should push hard to try and get Castro.

    Play him or Jeter at 3b as needed.

    When Jeter hangs ‘em up it’s Castro’s position for certain.

  34. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Phillips is my 1st choice to replace Cano.

    Infante is plan B.

    Some have it the other way round.

    I can understand that POV too.

  35. wanzies222 November 5th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    MTU – I’m with you in that this offseason needs to be very, very productive. The Yanks’ problem is that they have a disaster for a roster… there are no assets at AAA or even AA, their “stars” are old, iffy or suspended and the only thing they can bargain with is $$. So, unless they want to trade Gardner, Nova or some of their pitching, it will all have to come from FA. And it’d better come this year, because the FA market in 2015 is very, very thin.

    And, agreed re: Castro. He’s the kind of “high risk, high reward” that I believe makes sense.

  36. TKR November 5th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Cinn loaded at SPing…don’t know what they would want in return for him so this prob won’t work

  37. kd November 5th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    quick question: do the yankees sign a free agent before the arod stuff gets settled?

    i don’t think they do, they’ll likely let the market set the cano expectations. and the other guys might be willing to wait to see what happens. if they come out and say that they’ll spend big this off season if arod is suspended, i bet some guys would wait until early january to sign

  38. Pat M. November 5th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    MTU…..The problem is that you just can’t buy in the offseason like you once were able to. At some point they have to rebuild the foundation and forgo the lust for the token October appearance. This is just an example of spending good for bad. Once they passed on the International talent and then by not turning over assets Cano, Granderson etc. they commited themselves to this mess . Had they started to shred the roster for young talent I can assure you that Mark Texeria would have waived his no trade buy the All Star deadline or most certainly by next winter,. Same would be true with Sabathia. All they are doing is slapping bondo on an old rusting Rolls Royce

  39. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    I hear you 222.

    I just prefer a slower approach using trades, FA’s, and internationals.

    I wish I knew what would become of Pineda but my crystal ball has gone dark.

    I do not wish to move all of our tradable assets to restock.

    For example, I prefer to keep GGBG.

    I want to see what our Farm gives after one more season.

    J-Ram and Man-Ban plus our 4 young OF prospects all might look different. Any of them could break out at any time.

    ;)

  40. bigdan22 November 5th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    blake November 5th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    “Everyone should make these baked beans….they are the best thing ever”

    Isn’t that what she calls the recipe? The best baked beans ever. Seriously Blake, the problem is you can’t leave them alone. My gf says that and the cornbread I’ve been making has caused her to gain 10 pounds the last couple weeks.

    Got the chipotle chicken chili on the stove now. I think that’s non-fat :)

  41. Hankflorida November 5th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    FWIW, Tommy Henrich was a great storyteller…I got to spend quite a bit of time with him in his later years. He loved to remind whoever wanted to hear that he transcended the Gehrig era to the Mantle era.

    Wanzies, loved that story about “Old Reliable,” and that name was given to him because his hits really counted. I loved the fact that Henrich was a master at getting a double play with runners on first and second and a short fly ball to right field. I remember him in his playing days as having a very extroverted personality and the complete opposite of the great DiMaggio.

  42. wanzies222 November 5th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    MTU –

    FWIW, I made the assumption that the 2015 OF would consist of the 4 young OF plus, in my example, a Chris Young. I am assuming the Ichiro and Soriano will be allowed to expire, and if Hart were brought in, it would be on a one-year. Again, FWIW, the AA season that the OF had was an anomaly…. there are at least 3 ML OF in that group.

    Castro I believe is a reasonable get…. the Cubs will take 2015-ready SP for him, which the Yanks have, so while I didn’t include Castro in my “plan”, his acquisition would be huge.

  43. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Pat M.-

    We talked about getting Castro. I’d like to see that happen.

    We can upgrade our C w AJ P, Ruiz, or Navarro.

    That gives another year to evaluate Romine/JR/Sanchez.

    We can prepare for Jeter and A-Rod problems with Jhonny Peralta who can play both positions if needed.

    We then give Jagielo another year to develop.

    These guys represent significant upgrades and they buy us some time.

    I’m in favor of getting guys like Castro. Who wouldn’t be ?

    But we have plenty of talent in the Minors and we should find out what we have.

    I’m betting some of it can help the parent club significantly given a little more time.

    Too soon to blow things up IMO.

    A yr. from now our Farm could look quite a bit stronger.

  44. luis November 5th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Good evening guys,

    First I would like to say what a great read the past few threads have been…Kudos to all regardless if i agree with what has been posted…this is the kind of talk that enticed me to join the blog.

    Now back to baseball:

    Steve,

    Although in the end we agree ( we must go back to Stick’s model )…It took a few very bad seasons to get in to the position we got with him…This means that going the FA route ( or George’s as you very well put it ) will prevent the team from being in a good position to draft and a very limited pool money for the international draft…What I mean is that going this route will defeat the objective of developing the farm…Not to mention that the secret of the dynasty years was a solid homegrown core.

    Also, I do believe that we have a group of prospects that are 2-3 years away, so the process might be a lot shorter than what you propose…Therefore, signing a bunch of vets to 5 or 6 year contracts might impede this prospects to have their day as well.

    I think we lost the opportunity to retool a few years back…The last domino to fall being not trading vets for future last winter…Since I don’t think Nova or Gardner might bring a good return in prospects right now.

    I think the only option right now is to start a rebuilding process…We have no core, an FA based team very seldom produces titles and we lack the pieces internally to build that said core.

    Pat M,

    About our conversation about Cano and Sandberg…I agree, history is not on Cano’s side…Most 2B I have seen play, decline very steeply after their 33 year old season..So your worries about Cano’s decline are very well founded.

    Still, I do think Cano has two or three prime seasons left on his tank… His average WAR in the last 4 seasons is 7,425…Let say he has 2 more prime seasons, that’s 14,85 that you add to his cumulative WAR which puts him in 60,05 WAR…Then make him have two more seasons at 4 WAR and he is already better than Sandberg…I think it’s pretty safe to say that he will best him in the end, provided that he keeps producing like he has in the last 4 seasons.

    OTOH, I do think he will age better than most 2B…Still, I wonder why so many decline so steeply and so fast…Alomar’s decline still baffles me.

  45. wanzies222 November 5th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Hank,

    Tommy liked the nickname “Old Reliable”, but LOVED the 5 o’clock lightning moniker….in fact, he titled his autobiography that… because when all they played were day games, he was notorious for getting clutch hits late in the games, sending everyone home before 5 o’clock.

  46. wanzies222 November 5th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Luis,

    I don’t disagree that the opportunity was missed, but the “wild card” in the equation that I laid out has more to do with corporate Yankee (Hal) recognizing the need for a winner to boost the bottom line. I think that is a bigger factor than anyone realizes and will drive spending for the next 3-4 years (not 5-6).

  47. Giuseppe Franco November 5th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    wanzies222

    Yeah, I don’t think there’s any doubt that we all like to be spoiled, which is not always a good thing. In fact, I’d call it a sense of entitlement because of their long sustained run of success and a lot of the fans have generally taken that success for granted.

    On another note, I’m hoping the 3 kids they drafted early in 2013 turn out to be solid ballplayers for this club because the big club desperately needs a healthy infusion of youth.

    But I seem to recall the 2006 draft was one that appeared to be very promising a few years back with the likes of Kennedy, Joba, Melancon, Betances, and David Robertson. These kids were expected to be a big part of their future for years to come.

    Unfortunately, for one reason or another, it appears now that only David Robertson is guaranteed to be on the roster come Opening Day in 2014.

    I find that very disappointing and the guys who are in charge of drafting and developing these kids are still holding the same positions and aren’t being held accountable for the lack of results.

    For that reason, I’m not exactly confident that we’re going to see any real improvement in that area.

    But, hey, at least they fired the strength and conditioning coach.

  48. Cashmoney November 5th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Either go all in or blow it up and keep the pick.
    —–
    it’s far easy to blow this team up than to is get everyone available. but i agree with others, you simply can’t go half way in this. I been saying this for 2 years, the most reasonable position when you scan what the yanks have on ML and on the farm is to rebuild intelligently.

    But the one big hurdle (IMO) is that I don’t think Yanks have the personnel in place for such comprehensive effort.

  49. Pat M. November 5th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    luis….the pivot at the bag takes it’s toll. As for today’s NY Yankee situation I harken back to the death of the 60′s Dynasty. Not to sound like a relic from the stone age ( miss you GB ) but keep in mind the Yanks had a load of great young talent that came up in the first half of the decade, it’s the last half of the 60′s that went dry because CBS stopped investing. That and the terrible injuries to Tommy Tresh and Jimmy Bouton really hurt.

  50. blake November 5th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    wanzies222 says:
    November 5, 2013 at 5:22 pm
    blake – If the Yanks are willing to give up the draft pick on Choo, then IMO, they had better be all in on EVERY FA…. McCann, Jiminez, Ellsbury, you name him, go spend it, Hal.

    Agreed and I’ve said that many times as well….there is no one FA Id lose the pick for ….they are more than one player away.

    Dan ,
    Yup they are amazing

  51. bigdan22 November 5th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    “I can’t see the Yankees failing to sign a single one of those 10 players. I would let Kuroda and Granderson walk and really go hard after Tanaka and Choo. Every single one of your OF’s are gone after 2014 so you may as well have one locked up (and Granderson is not the answer, OBP is.)

    Tanaka is a future investment and the Yankees can bring back their old friend, Bartolo, if they wanted to also.

    Offer Cano a 7/168 ceiling and treat it as either a lot of picks in a deep draft, or Choo and Cano forming two top six hitters in a lineup for the future and work from there.

    They should not concentrate on becoming a contender in one offseason, they should have a 2-3 year plan and mature the farm system instead. That way, we “compete” in 2014-2015 like we did in 2013, but we “contend” in 2016-beyond.”

    I like this approach Vince. It theoretically allows the team to be somewhat competitive now but does not seriously hamstring them in the future while hopefully some help comes from the farm. I mentioned last week that I thought Choo would be an ideal addition to the lineup in the “Stick” tradition. The problem is this approach has some big ifs. First, acquiring Tanaka will be difficult with the Dodgers out there. Second, this really doesn’t work without Cano and I really think Cano will most likely get a deal for 8 and over $200MM and I just wouldn’t go there. Finally, none of this works under the 189 so the Yanks would have to scrap that for next year. Do like Choo and Cano together in the lineup.

  52. Cashmoney November 5th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    On Cano, if the Yanks are more than 1 positional player away then it’s not of paramount importance to lock him into a monster contract that one will regret 3 -4 years down the road. I hope they have a plan and a decent one at that.

  53. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    It’s pretty obvious that right now there are whole lot more questions than there are answers.

    Hopefully some of that will begin to get cleared up soon.

    And we’ll get an indication of the direction and approach the Brass are going to take.

  54. Vince November 5th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    MTU:
    My favorite time of year for blogging purposes!

    Gius: I completely agree. It’s maddening to see how easy it is for other teams (esp in our division) to draft cost-controlled and impactful players and the Yankees literally for 20 years have done a below average job.

    I will say I thought last year was the first great draft I’ve seen in years. They’re gonna get a few pieces if they hold onto them long enough. They seemed to shift in philosophy and early on it looks good. Enough of the high school arm, start making complete drafts.

    But inherantly, they will never get back to where they were unless they address that flaw. Buying FA’s is short term satisfaction but they will never compete long-term unless they can get a couple of cornerstone players, develop them, and hold onto them, from the draft.

  55. luis November 5th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Steve,

    I agree that they might want to improve revenue ( the bottom line remains to be seen ;) ) and going all out in FA’s is a shorter way to go about it…But not the way to create a dynasty and sustained sucess IMO… Besides, to build the core we need a couple of bad seasons

    On the financial front, it makes sense to me to go below the cap… In the end, you will have a more efficient and sucessful money making machine, while winning a few titles along the way…Both sides win…The problem is if this FO is up for the task…I doubt it

  56. Hankflorida November 5th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Wanzies, This is what is so great about this blog as we can go back to the past and we can talk about the players that were part of the great history of the Yankees. A few months ago, I mentioned that Huff reminded me of Marius Russo who pitched for the Yankees before World War 2, and one blogger recounted how he knew him. This blog also has a sense of the past in regard to the future. History repeats itself, and we can learn from the past especially when it comes to building winning teams as Ed Barrow, George Weiss and Stick Michael did.

  57. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Hank-

    I agree that there is no need to completely re-invent the wheel.

    The elements of what makes a successful baseball team have been known for quite sometime.

    The Yankees only need look to their own recent past, or to those around them who seem to be successful to rediscover the answer(s).

  58. joeman November 5th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    just stopped by..great stuff going on here tonight

  59. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    But the owner has to have a clue and be committed to implementing what is known.

    ;)

  60. Doreen November 5th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Great conversation today, guys.

    Interesting concept about delaying the goal to reset the luxury tax. I suppose it will spend upon whether MLB keeps the threshhold at an attainable number (189 is relatively high) and also do ends in the Yankees sticking to a payroll range that will allow them to revisit the goal.

    I’ve been a supporter of the concept of resetting the LT, even though it’s a painful process. I nderstand why held want to do it.

  61. Doreen November 5th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    ****DEPEND upon, not spend upon

  62. pat November 5th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    officialBBWAA
    Finalists for AL Manager of the Year (alphabetically): John Farrell, Red Sox; Terry Francona, Indians; Bob Melvin, A’s.

    Girardi deserved a mention.

  63. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Hi Doreen.

    You aren’t cooking Pioneer woman baked beans tonight are you ?

    :)

  64. luis November 5th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Pat M,

    I think you bring a very good point…By rebuilding I mean to focus more resources in drafting and player development rather than FA’s…But in order to get to the good talent, we need to be bad for a couple of seasons I think.

    It’s curious that you bring the pivot at the bag as the reason of the early decline of most second basemen…I mean, I blew up my shoulder and I played sofball as a 2B, since I had a good stick, but I couldn’t throw very hard or over the shoulder ( the pain was just too bad )…I guess since it was mostly recreational the position was not as demending as in baseball

  65. chicken_stanley November 5th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Good evening all!

    Of the Yank’s QO’s (excluding Cano, a no brainer) who do you hope accepts? I would be pleased to see both Kuroda and Granderson accept. I guess it depends on whether you think the Yankees can be competitive while simultaneously building for the future

  66. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    “I guess it depends on whether you think the Yankees can be competitive while simultaneously building for the future”

    I think they can but it takes smarts.

    ;)

  67. Vince November 5th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Hey Chicken,

    Honestly, to be really, really, honest? I hope all three deny. I would want Cano back but he’s going to turn it down and I wouldn’t go much past 170 million for him (seven years). I would want Kuroda to deny it IF he stays in the US. Losing him to Japan would hurt, a lot.

    I don’t want Granderson back, even on a one year deal, he’s better served as an extra pick than whatever he would or wouldn’t contribute to the 2014 roster. His money and the extra pick is more valuable to me.

    I don’t personally see the Yankees ever going much above $200 million in the near future. i think they get into the 180-185 range this year (I do believe they will do this) and probably get up to about 195-200 in 2015, but they won’t go much more past 10-20 million over the “cap” going forward I don’t think.

    The silver lining is the lifers will eb gone so they won’t give out loyalty money and the terrible contracts will be in their final stages.

  68. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    I’m starting to think we should send all of our young Pitchers over to the land of the Rising Sun each Winter so they can learn Mr. Splitty from the best.

    It is used extensively in Japanese baseball.

    Like many things the Japanese know a good thing when they see it.

    ;)

  69. luis November 5th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    PaT M,

    By the way…I sucked real bad on the pivot…Never got to do it very smoothly….I had an incredible range though and was quite good at shagging flyballs ( I did play some OF in baseball when i wasn’t pitching )

  70. Duh Innings II November 5th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    NO TO BRIAN MC CANN!!!

    His 2006-09 > his 2010-13.

    Do you REALLY expect a catcher approaching his early thirties to be as good as he was 2006-09? I don’t. If he’s as good as he was 2010-13 he’s acceptable but overpaid at $12-15M because he’s not providing Gold Glove defense I expect for that money. If he’s not he’s a bust. Posada got away with his defense because of his bat and he hit very well for far longer than McCann moreover Posada didn’t have to be the man offensively. He was always second-tier offensively. McCann would be expected to be first tier offense and I’m sorry, he’s not as good as prime Posada with the bat. He’s $12-15M only because who else is on the free agent market?

    Let’s see what Austin Romine can do over a full year. !@#$ how many homeruns he hits. Catchers are not supposed to hit homeruns, they’re supposed to play defense. Homeruns are nice but should not be the focus, they should be a bonus, gravy. Give me top ten defensive catcher defense from Romine regardless of how many homeruns he hits. ‘Say he hits only five homeruns. Ok, get a veteran backup like Rod Barajas if not Barajas himself who could pop seven homeruns and that’s a dozen homeruns from the catcher plus one more homerun from a third catcher for 13 homeruns from the 2014 Yankees catcher – nine less homeruns than 2012 Martin-Stewart but five more than 2013 Stewart/Romine/Cervelli.

    How ’bout this? The Yanks get power hitters at 3B, RF, and DH so the C doesn’t have to hit twenty homeruns or even ten?

    If the Yanks want a power-hitting 3B why not Aramis Ramirez? Ramirez would cost either $20M for one year ($16M salary + $4M buyout) or $30M for two years ($16M for 2014 + $14M mutual option for 2015.) If the Yank can blow $20.5M on Youkilis ($12M) and Burnett ($8.5M) they can risk $20M for one year of Ramirez a .294/.356/.531/.887 career hitter who posted .283/.370/.461/.831 in 2013 in limited play due to injury. The 2013 Yanks offense was so pathetic had Ramirez produced what he did for them he would’ve been fourth in HR and RBI despite collecting only 351 PA and only 6 HR and 11 RBI away from being second on the team in HR and RBI.

    Gardner CF L in his walk year
    Jeter SS R in his walk year
    Cano 2B L signed through 2020
    Teixiera 1B S signed through 2016
    Ramirez 3B R in a possible walk year
    Granderson RF L in his walk year if he took the qualifying offer
    Soriano LF R in his walk year
    Ibanez DH in his walk year if he was re-signed for 2014 only
    Romine C R under control through 2018

    That’s a legitimate six hitters in the 3-8 who could combine for at least 150 HR if everyone is healthy, 170 from the entire lineup if the 3-8 combine for 150 HR and the 9/1/2 combine for 20 HR (figure 8 from Gardner, 6 from Jeter, and 6 from Romine.)

    If the Yanks traded Teixiera after 2014 they could totally redo their starting nine around Cano.

  71. blake November 5th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    I think the primary reason most 2B decline early is that most of them never were great hitters to begin with……Joe Morgan aged fine….Robbie Alomar aged ok…..

    Cano isn’t a usual 2b…..there are only a handful of comparable hitters to play the position ever to him so comparing how he will age by most 2B is irrelevant IMO

    What is relevant is his approach and if it’ll continue to progress and how he will adjust to losing bat speed when that happens.

    His OBP the last 2 years is a great sign…..the question is can he sustain that or is it a function of him being pitched around so much recently.

  72. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Luis-

    With Maduro down there I’d think the National pitch of Venezuela would be the sinker.

    ;)

  73. luis November 5th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Blake,

    Alomar became a replacement level player almost overnight…He was done way before his time…he won’t make it to the HOF solely on how brief his career was

    About Cano…He will, the moment he has good company all the bad trends will disapear ( his awful splits against LHP for example )

  74. luis November 5th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    MTU,

    LMAO!! Nah! they need to invent and submarine pitch…The Titanic is already sunk, they just don’t know it yet! ;)

  75. chicken_stanley November 5th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Hi Luis!

    I was primarily a 3B in baseball but blew out my elbow… I took up softball when it became apparent my baseball career was at an end and played all of the infield positions… of all the positions, 2B was the most difficult for me.. . I could NEVER master the footwork at the bag

  76. Hankflorida November 5th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    MTU, you are right as the owner has to have the will which is opening up his pocketbook. Jacob Ruppert and Dan Topping like George Steinbrenner had the will to win and Ed Barrow, George Weiss and Stick Michael had the knowledge to make that will into a reality. It takes two to tango!

  77. Vince November 5th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    They used to put me at second base when I played, I thought more for political reasons than logic. The funny thing is as I got older I had a cannon for an arm and then they started placing me at third base or the outfield (which I hated). Now that i’m older, I prefer the outfield, but man, growing up all I wanted was shortstop (now I’m not agile enough).

  78. blake November 5th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    “Alomar became a replacement level player almost overnight…He was done way before his time…he won’t make it to the HOF solely on how brief his career was”

    He’s already in the HOF !

  79. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Chicken-

    I see you had no trouble finding the correct thread today.

    :)

  80. blake November 5th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Almost had his best season at age 33…..he fell off at 35 and retired at 36 but he was good right up to his mid 30s and started playing when he was 20.

    I think Cano will be what he is now for 2 or 3 more years barring injury…..beyond that I don’t know.

    Joe Morgan had a higher OPS from ages 31-40 than he did from 19-30

  81. luis November 5th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Hey Chicken!

    Not by a long shot…The bags were so close that I didn’t have to throw hard ( mostly under the shoulder throws, so that allowed me to play )…But the pivot and not catching the ball with the glove to turn the DP were Quantum Physics for me ;) I don’t know if it was the same way in the US, but I had to learn to put the glove closed and use the bear hand as the other side of the makeshift glove to speed up the turn…Otherwise it was impossible to turn the DP

  82. luis November 5th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Blake my bad! :oops:

  83. luis November 5th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Chicken,

    3B OTOH was very demanding in SB…The guy had to play close to home in case of a bunt ( quite a common ocurrence ), so he had to have lightning reflexes in case it was hit hard…That’s a position I would never want to play… I think that was the hardest position in softball aside from C

  84. pkyankfan69 November 5th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    I still like my plan best

    Resign Cano
    Resign Kuroda
    Resign Reynolds
    Resign Ryan
    Sign McCann
    Sign Choo
    Sign Beltran
    Sign Tanaka
    Sign Brian Wilson
    Sign Balfour
    Sell the Farm for Tulo

    CF – Gardner
    3B – Jeter
    2B – Cano
    SS – Tulo
    RF – Choo
    DH – Beltran
    1B – Tex
    C – McCann
    LF – Soriano

    Bench – Ryan – Reynolds – Ichiro – Wells – Romine/Murphy/Cervelli

    Rotation – CC – Kuroda – Tanaka – Nova – Pineda/Pheps
    Bullpen – Drob – Balfour – Wilson – Kelley – Betances – Cabral – Phelps/Warren

    It’s only around $700 million in contracts and posting fees.

    Stop being a cheep ass Hal.

  85. Pat M. November 5th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    luis…..as a pitcher your throwing motion is far different than turning two . Most of the time when making the pivot you generally throw without really using your legs, Also even on a regular routine throw to first it’s a different angle and you throw across your body.. I ended up at 2nd because my throw from short sailed because I threw 3/4 and Cox moved me over. Make no mistake making the turn is run, stop and quickly throw across your body and it takes a toll. Cano makes it look so easy with those flips of his but the clock is ticking as his elbow will start barking louder real soon

  86. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    PK-

    I’ve heard of a need for speed.

    But it looks like you have a need for greed.

    :)

  87. chicken_stanley November 5th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    MTU – lol! I’m learning (slowly but surely) :D

  88. chicken_stanley November 5th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Hi Vince. Understand your position. T ghost anks for the feedback

  89. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    Chicken-

    I’m a hiker so I know about leaving breadcrumbs to find your way.

    ;)

  90. Vince November 5th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Haha, I’m a Celiac, so I know nothing about leaving bread crumbs for anything.

  91. pkyankfan69 November 5th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    MTU,

    I’ll decrease my greediness.. I’d be willing to settle on the rest happening without Tulo… I think we could live with Ryan playing SS with the rest of that ridiculous line up. But that’s it no more concessions.

  92. chicken_stanley November 5th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Luis – at the risk of breaking the blog rule for consecutive posts, 3B was my favorite!! I absolutely loved the screamers (OTOH, a 7 hopper gave me fits!)

  93. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    PK-

    Sure thing.

    Quite a sacrifice on your part.

    Glad to hear that you will not budge any further.

    ;)

    Vince-

    It was a figure of speech only so no worries.

    :)

  94. Doreen November 5th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    MTU,

    No baked beans, pioneer or otherwise. Lol

    Minestrone.

    I can’t believe Girardi got no mention pat. Really, what does a Yankees manager have to do. If they win, it’s expected, so the manager gets no credit. I know they didn’t go far enough, but Girardi held that team together and contending into September under really onerous circumstances. I wouldn’t have expected him to win, but a mention????

  95. chicken_stanley November 5th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Vince – I just read my post to you… t ghost anks should read thanks ( how autocorrect came up with t ghost I’ll never know!)

  96. luis November 5th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Time for dinner here.. I’ll be back later…I always forget that we have this half an hour difference from eatern standard time…

    Pat M,

    I will always defer to you on infield matters… Let’s just hope that if he is resigned, he can keep that elbow sound and healthy.

    Chicken,

    You are a brave man…Those screamers in softball were scary..I mean, the 3B had to play 7 or 8 meters from the batter…That was scary an accidenrt waiting to happen.

    later guys

  97. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Doreen-

    In many ways JG did a masterful job.

    The Team overachieved.

    He’s definitely worthy of mention at a minimum.

    I would have preferred some nice Italian sausage w peppers.

    But no one asked me.

    :)

  98. Vince November 5th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Doreen,

    I have to imagine he stood no chance since Farrell took a loser and they won the WS, and Francona probably beats him for taking a 93 loss team and making the playoffs. But had Girardi made the postseason, he’s got to beat out Melvin with the amount of injuries and A-Rod they had to deal with.

  99. Vince November 5th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    lol Chicken,

    I think you’re onto a psychological study. I interpreted it as “thanks” anyway.

  100. Pat M. November 5th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    luis….some guys that I see around now that the season is over say that the best thing for Cano moving forward would be to move to third. Twins did that with Carew and did that earlier with Nettles ( sore elbow and with Rod Carew on the scene ) …..

  101. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    Vince-

    You live Upstate don’t you ?

    Just trying to check my failing memory.

    :)

  102. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    I wish “Bobcat” would return so we know who were getting this season.

    ;)

  103. Doreen November 5th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    All I’d have expected was a mention. Farrell did take his team worst to first, and Cleveland was not expected to win anything, plus everyone loves Francona But the As we’re right where they were expected to be IMO.

    Having to deal with the ARod stuff on top of everything else puts Girardi in a category of his own.

    Oh, well.

  104. jmills November 5th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    I have no auto correct, that’s why I appear the way I do; plus I guess it keeps me quasi honest unlike the traditional role ” players ” have with ” medicines “. Hey!, Toronto’s mayor and a lot of mlb’s best could sure put on a great basement party, what with all those brown bags being passed.

    I played soft ball third at 7 or 8. First base sure seemed a long ways away :)

  105. Vince November 5th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    MTU:
    Upstate, FL:)

    I’m the resident Orlando expert, remember?

  106. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Mills-

    It’s sometimes obvious from your behavior that you have no autocorrect.

    But I’m trying to help you anyway.

    After all, I’m a model citizen.

    :)

  107. chicken_stanley November 5th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Hello jmills. How goes it?

  108. jmills November 5th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Arod’s been a nice distract for me over ferret face.

  109. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    yes Vince.

    Thanks.

    Had you confused with another Vince who I think used to post here.

    I’m old so nothing about myself surprises anymore.

    ;)

  110. jmills November 5th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    MTU, I’ll take all the help you can afford, thanks; but,….I’m expensive!

    Stan the man, I’m fine,…” just keep telling yourself, jmills “. How goes the vacation?

  111. chicken_stanley November 5th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Jmills – mini vacation is over. Back working in the salt mines. This week is Springfield Missouri and Rogers Arkansas

  112. Pat M. November 5th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Doreen, I saw a photograph today of Joan and Jackie Kennedy and thought of you. Great day at the LoHud

  113. jmills November 5th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Cripes, I turned the radio on for for some stat talk, and its a terrible round table about some Doug Gilmour bowling event. Come on!, I want to hear about Ted Williams seeing seams like, Billy Bishop.

  114. ronDL white November 5th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    The Red Sox are the faves to sign McCann, and they’re going to trade for Giancarlo Stanton, according to Boston Olney.

  115. chicken_stanley November 5th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Pat M.: I saw your earlier post about transitioning Cano to third. I couldn’t agree more (although I would try to squeeze 2-3 more years of 2B from him)

  116. jmills November 5th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Chicken, I met a nice guy from, Arkansa, but when he started going on about having to bring the gun in the fishing boat due to poisonous water snakes, that was the start and end of Arkansas for me – it was over before it truly started for me, stick to cold places where no such critters can take hold,..save for bears, but that’s north, and I’ve never seen one.

  117. chicken_stanley November 5th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Jmills – that’s one thing that can said for bears: they aren’t poisonous! :)

  118. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Yes.

    And next season instead of just wearing uniforms the Sux will wear capes befitting their mythical superhero status.

    :)

  119. chicken_stanley November 5th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    And next season instead of just wearing uniforms the Sux will wear capes befitting their mythical superhero status.

    ———–

    I can stand capes… as long as they don’t go whole hog with the superman motif (don’t think I could stomach the sight of Ortiz in tights :) )

  120. jmills November 5th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Boggs was the man, ” hot corner ” morning after all those Miller Lites!

  121. Vince November 5th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Pedroia’s surgery is said to be more complicated since he was so gritty and played with it all year.

    And here I was thinking it was because surgeons aren’t used to using magnifying glass during procedure.

  122. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Chicken-

    Now that is a scary, scary thought.

  123. jmills November 5th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    If you can believe it, I drove a small portion of the drive home ( its a long drive ), listening to some Boston guy who has published his top 25 sux players all time. #1 was obvious, but he puts Ruth ahead of Ortiz and stated that no matter what big Poopie does in the next few years, he will not match the Babe’s impact on Boston, seeing that Ruth was a pitching marvel while already having notched his first HR title ( I don’t where he put Evans or lefty Grove having missed the first part.

  124. MTU November 5th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    New one ——–>

  125. ronDL white November 5th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    I’m so glad Mike Breen, the Knicks broadcaster, is talking about the Red Sox during the Knicks broadcast.

  126. Duh Innings II November 5th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Name me a better free agent 3B than Aramis Ramirez.

    Name me a better 3B under contract than Ramirez who would cost less in talent to acquire via trade than Ramirez.

    Chase Headley would cost no less than Nova, Jagielo, and two more top prospects. The Yanks aren’t getting him with Nunez and Clairborne.

  127. Duh Innings II November 5th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Nunez for Ramirez would do it. Milwaukee would love to unload Ramirez’s $20M.

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