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One contract to the next: Counting up to $189 million

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 06, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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It’s a bit early to put the Yankees luxury tax situation into particularly meaningful context, but it’s such a massive topic of discussion that I suppose it’s worth a shot. So far, both The Associated Press and the New York Post have come up with the same number: A current luxury tax payroll of $97.71 million based on seven guaranteed contracts (including Alex Rodriguez). In addition, the Yankees will be charged roughly $11 million for various player benefits, and the Post points out that teams generally budget about $5 million for in-season minor league call ups. That brings the total closer to $113.71 million, and that’s before expected arbitration raises for key players like Brett Gardner, Dave Robertson and Ivan Nova. 

In other words, the Yankees are already well over halfway to $189 million.

Here’s the AP story on the situation, with the interesting note that, even if he’s suspended, Rodriguez will still count at least little bit toward the luxury tax threshold.

Andre Ethier, Derek Jeter, Robinson CanoNEW YORK (AP) — Derek Jeter’s new contract has increased the Yankees’ luxury tax payroll to $97.71 million for seven signed players next year. That leaves New York with about $80 million to spend on the rest of its roster if the team wants to get under the 2014 tax threshold.

Jeter and New York agreed Friday to a $12 million, one-year contract. Major League Baseball determined its value for purposes of the luxury tax is $12.81 million.

The Yankees’ captain, injured for most of this year, was playing under a three-year contract with a player option for 2014 that wound up being worth $9.5 million and was replaced by the new salary.

Baseball’s luxury tax uses the average annual values of contracts as defined by the sport’s collective bargaining agreement. Determining Jeter’s payroll figure for the tax is complicated by the option and the new salary, and New York may contest his 2014 evaluation.

The Yankees want to re-sign free agents Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson and Hiroki Kuroda, and need to fill roster holes after missing the playoffs for just the second time in 19 years. The team figures to be interested in free-agent pitchers and catcher Brian McCann.

Managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner has said getting under the $189 million tax threshold for 2014 is a hope but is not essential.

“It’s a goal that we have if it’s possible,” general manager Brian Cashman said last month. “There’s a lot of benefits to staying under that, but it’s not a mandate if it’s at the expense of a championship run. It just depends on what the opportunities are before us, and the costs associated with it.”

New York’s other signed players are Alex Rodriguez ($27.5 million), CC Sabathia ($24.4 million), Mark Teixeira ($22.5 million), Ichiro Suzuki ($6.5 million), Alfonso Soriano ($4 million) and Vernon Wells ($0).

The impacts of Soriano and Wells on New York’s luxury tax payroll were reduced because of cash being paid by their former clubs attributable to 2014. The Yankees will receive $18.6 million from the Los Angeles Angels as part of the acquisition of Wells last March and $13 million from the Chicago Cubs as a result of July’s deal for Soriano.

Rodriguez’s payroll impact for 2014 would drop to $2.5 million if arbitrator Fredric Horowitz upholds a 211-game suspension imposed on the third baseman by MLB for alleged violations of the sport’s drug agreement and labor contract. Rodriguez, who is contesting the discipline, has a $25 million salary for next year, and the Yankees would not have to pay him for any period he is suspended.

Payrolls for the luxury tax include the entire 40-man roster and a 1-30th portion of the cost of benefits and extended benefits for all major leaguers. That category totals items such as health insurance premiums, pension payments, club medical costs and payroll, unemployment and Social Security taxes.

The 2013 figure will not be completed until next month. For 2012, each team’s payroll was assessed $10,779,500.

New York has paid luxury tax for every season since the provision was put in place for 2003, a total of $224.56 million. The Yankees will pay again for 2013, when the threshold was $178 million.

But there are large benefits if the Yankees get under the threshold in 2014. The team’s tax rate would drop from its current 50 percent to 17.5 percent in 2015, and New York would be eligible to get back a portion of its revenue-sharing payments.

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111 Responses to “One contract to the next: Counting up to $189 million”

  1. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    SPECIAL REQUEST: Chad, can you please include this picture in your next Arod story??

    pic.twitter.com/AYoBfWi0v2

  2. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    And I’m gonna repost this because ya’ll should really check this out. It’ll make your day, I promise.

    ———————-

    Shame Spencer November 6th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Must see story for any football fans out there (or fans of kids and all sorts of good, warm feelings): http://elitedaily.com/news/wor…..eam-video/

  3. Doreen November 6th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Shame -

    Thanks for the info on Salty. Didn’t know all that. I’m not paying as much attention as I usually do.

  4. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Clearly, corporate has stated their goal – reduce the tax and stop underwriting the competition. Admirable. More importantly, though, is the plan. They have one. We’ll know soon enough whether that includes retaining draft choices, increasing the number of draft choices by buying potential future QO players (Hart, Johnson, etc.), trading assets for prospects or some combination.

    One thing for sure….they will “be in” on every FA this offseason, if for no other reason to drive the price up for the competition (see McCann, et al).

  5. Doreen November 6th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Shame -

    They took down the video, but the story is still there. Really heartwarming.

  6. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    JF is our resident expert on the LT, etc.

    ;)

  7. GregD November 6th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    blake November 6th, 2013 at 8:53 am
    personally I think the Yankees should try to bring back Cano if he will be reasonable….then attempt to sign as many players as will fit that do not require the loss of the draft pick and then shop the trade market for other things they need.

    I think they “could” build a team that could win a title next year this way……a lot would have to go right but it’s possible.

    Signing Cano, Kuroda, and Granderson along with Tanaka, Salty and Peralta would make the club at least presentable.

    The Yankees have a lot of decisions to make this winter……these decisions could have lasting effects for years so lets hope they make the right ones.

    ———————————-
    I lean this way as well……….not sure the FAs that require draft pick compensation are worth the money they are asking. The only one that is a >$100 Million player (in my opinion) is Cano

  8. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    222-

    I understand your position as the Yankees will believe it is in their best interest to bust 189 this coming season.

    Thanks for your take.

    I remain a skeptic. But I’d be happy to be incorrect and to apologize.

    :)

  9. blake November 6th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    I’m afraid the Yankees aren’t going to do anything until this Arod mess is settled……wish they’d hurry so the Yanks would know how much money they’ll have. It could make a huge difference.

  10. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Ack, that link is redirecting to the wrong place..

    http://elitedaily.com/news/wor.....eam-video/

    Having some copy and paste 101 issues I guess.

  11. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    The Cray supercomputer at Yankee headquarters is working overtime calculating the relative merits of staying below 189 vs. loses in attendance, etc.

    Hal sits anxiously awaiting the result.

    Some have said they have seen smoke pouring out of the Headquarters building.

    There is fear in Yankeeland that even the Cray is not up to the task of deciding something so momentous to the baseball world.

    We, as dedicated fans, pray she holds together.

    ;)

  12. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Corporate is smart enough to know that they can’t wait for the A-rod case to be resolved before implementing a plan.

    I believe their strongest play this year will be for Peralta – he solves several problems due to his versatility. He allows the FO to wait to add the last bat, A-rod’s roster spot, until it knows the outcome of the appeal.

    It will be interesting to see when the tipping point occurs to sacrifice the draft pick. You can bet the farm that other organizations will be very, very aggressive trying to get FA to sign early so that the Yankees have fewer options. The contra to that is that the Yankees want the FA to wait to sign. It will be an interesting chess match.

  13. blake November 6th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    “Corporate is smart enough to know that they can’t wait for the A-rod case to be resolved before implementing a plan.”

    I hope….but the problem is that if the plan is 189 or bust then they can’t just count on him getting suspended all year and spend that money because if they spend it and then they rule Alex is only out 50 games then they are screwed.

  14. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    222-

    I don’t think the Yankees are in a strong position by waiting.

    Unless, of course, you want to reduce your options.

    I like Peralta too for same reason you mentioned.

    He’s capable and versatile providing insurance come what may.

    Only thing I’m not real crazy about is the taint of the violation.

    AJ P, Navarro, or Ruiz are safe moves too IMO.

    I would make Cano’s offer time sensitive.

    ;)

  15. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    blake –

    I don’t think Plan 189 matters to Hal as much as maintaining franchise value through winning.

    The original Plan 189 was designed to kick in for the 2014 season, when the farm guys would be ready. That didn’t work, and not making the playoffs was a disaster financially. Hence, Hal’s comments regarding Plan 189 being not at the expense of a championship roster.

    Additionally, the farm is not in a position to contribute at the ML level for another few years (that was clear based on 2013 abysmal performance in AAA and AA). Adjusting the timeline to when the next round of large contracts comes off the books makes some sense (2017), given the need for many of these FA to get 3-4 year deals.

    The Yankees do have assets, just not ML-ready.

    The belief here is that they will use their best asset ($$) to buy some time to retool Plan 189.

    Just my opinion.

  16. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    MTU -

    I don’t believe they should wait either. I believe they want the FA to wait. Their competition is going to push the envelope to try to box the Yankees in. I will be very surprised, actually, if the Yankees aren’t the aggressors when it comes to FA.

  17. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    222-

    Seeing is believing.

    ;)

  18. 86w183 November 6th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    The Yanks should go into the off-season with a budget and strategy that includes Alex at 3B and address other areas first.

    Once his status is settled they’ll know if they have a vacancy @ 3B and for how long and, thus how much money they have to spend on that position if needed.

    Starting pitching, LH hitting catcher and, perhaps 2B should be the priorities in that order.

  19. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    MTU -

    Agreed. That’s why I think this next week should be very telling.

  20. Tackelberry November 6th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    The top free agents won’t be so quick to sign as they all seem to wait for one another to sign to see who sets the market. Lower tier guys may sign more quickly. Anyone know when the Tanaka posting is supposed to happen?

  21. Yankee Trader November 6th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Good morning. Not an Omar Infante fan, but he also is a versatile multi-position player.
    Personally I still would like to see the Yankees work a deal to get Martin Prado, who turned it around the second half.

    If the Yankees do plan to stay under the LT threshold, and Kuroda plus Granderson take the 14.1M, and Cano gets an AAV contract worth 25-26M, there won’t be much left to fill the holes at SS, catcher and starting pitching other than internal options or dumpster diving.

    Am I wrong?

  22. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Good Steve.

    In many ways that is to their advantage.

    By the way, It’s great to see you posting.

    Hope you’ll stick around at least thru the Hotstove season.

    I get tired of talking just to Blake. All he ever wants to talk about is BBQ.

    :)

  23. Yankee Trader November 6th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    The posting agreement has elapsed, and discussions are supposedly ongoing for a new arrangement.

  24. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    YT -

    Good morning. JMO, but I’d be stunned if they stay under 189. Makes no sense, from a bottom line standpoint.

  25. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Thanks, MTU.

    As long as I’m in the office, I’ll be able to post, depending on the day.

  26. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    YT-

    No you’re not.

    But I’m expecting the Rod to get about 100 and the possibility of Cano departing is real.

    Those 2 alone would be about 30-40 Mil.

    That’s 2-3 good players.

    For example, Peralta, Phillips, and AJ P.

    ;)

  27. ron November 6th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    The Yankees should be able to stay under 189.
    They can sign cano,granderson,kuroda,and still have 30 million to spend.
    They have to reset the lt to 17%.That would make it easier to compete going forward,and they get back some of their rs ,money.
    Cano 23 million
    granderson-15 million
    kuroda-15 million.
    That leaves 27 million to sign a pitcher,and infielder,and if arod gets suspended,we will have 25 million extra to spend.
    That is the funny thing about big contracts.We are all looking forward to arod getting suspended to have his 25 million to spend.
    That is the case with almost every other big contract player in the majors,once they inevitably decline.
    arod,pujols,santanna,etc…

    We will soon be in that same position with cano,tex,cc,if we are not already.
    The cardinals turned pujols into wacha,with their compensation pick,and that made them much better immediately,and they had the 25-30 million to spend that did not go to pujols.

    If we had a young core of 3-4 players like jeter,po,bernie,mo,etc..,then i’d say sign free agents,and lose picks.
    Maybe we already have that core,or part of it,but don’t know it yet,but I think it should be in place first.
    You can always go out,and spend big in free agency,but it is very hard to get draft picks.
    You also have to make the right picks,so there is no guarantees,but I don’t think the Yankees have a choice here.

    Reset the lt,keep all the picks,clear the dead weight,bad contracts,and before you know it,we will have a ton of money to spend,and a ton of picks to turn it around,in addition to sanchez,williams,austin,banuelos,ramirez,depaula,campos,pineda,etc…

    Now,if the Yankees can afford to blow the 189 away,and be ok with the profits,then spend away.

  28. blake November 6th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    “I don’t think Plan 189 matters to Hal as much as maintaining franchise value through winning.”

    I hope that’s true but I’m not as sure……if true then it looks like they wouldn’t have compromised the 2013 team so much to position themselves to get under the cap when clearly they weren’t ready……they have passed on a lot of players the last couple of years to avoid putting money on the long term books.

  29. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Good Steve.

    Glad to hear it.

    My office is my home.

    ;)

  30. Yankee Trader November 6th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    MTU

    Remember it was only a few years ago when the blog was discussing the possible merits or demerits?? Of trading Cano for Kemp?

    How many current left handed hitters do the Yankees have that can beat the “shift?”
    Cano, and maybe Ichiro and Gardner. Are McCann, or Pierzynski both pull hitters?

  31. ron November 6th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I don’t think that the Yankees think they compromised the2013 team.On paper,we looked fine.
    2014 will be telling.
    The problem is,we have no feedback from one single prospect.

  32. blake November 6th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    “I get tired of talking just to Blake. All he ever wants to talk about is BBQ.”

    hey I’m talking about baseball this morning :)

  33. blake November 6th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    “I don’t think that the Yankees think they compromised the2013 team.On paper,we looked fine.
    2014 will be telling.”

    that’s the spin they told in public…..if they really think that then they are dummies. They never looked “fine” on paper……they looked like a team that could compete maybe if a ton of old guys and injury risks all stayed healthy and didn’t decline further….the chances of that happening were always very low.

  34. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    YT-

    They both are capable of going the other way.

    Blake-

    But how long will it last ?

    P.S. I should talk

    :)

  35. AAA November 6th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Chances Granderson accepts the 1 yr QO is < 5%, IMO.

    He'll have no problem getting 3/$45M somewhere and probably better.

  36. blake November 6th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    “He’ll have no problem getting 3/$45M somewhere and probably better.”

    I would consider giving him that or something similar…..Id rather sign 33 year old Granderson to a 3 year deal and keep the draft pick than sign 37 year old Beltran to a 2 or 3 year deal and lose the draft pick…..JMO.

    Beltran is better right now…..but will he be next year or even this year?

  37. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Blake-

    Seconded on Beltran vs. Grandy.

    I’m hoping we do even better and get Curtis on a 1yr.

    Either way the QO was a win-win for the Yanks.

  38. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    my guess is that Grandy would prefer to stay in NY…..there isn’t a park better suited to him

  39. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Just for argument’s sake, and I hope it’s wrong, that Hiroki decides to go back to Japan.

    Then we’d need 2 quality starters.

    Tanaka might be one but who would the other one be ?

  40. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Blake-

    FWIS it’s always about the money.

  41. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    MTU I can tell you really want to talk about bbq and you’re just baiting me ;)

  42. Yankee Trader November 6th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Ron-

    Already at 113.71M
    Add arbitration for DRob, Nova and Gardner,Plus others. add 12M. round off to the new figure:
    126M
    14.1M Kuroda
    14.1M Granderson
    26M or thereabouts for cano
    And now it’s:
    180.2M
    Let’s say ARod gets half a season suspension you now have half of 27.5M more or 13.75M
    Conservatively, roughly the Yankees can budget 22-23M if Kuroda, Granderson and Cano come back.

    Hal needs to bust the budget, because the above team will not be very competitive without another solid starter, catcher , possible SS and 3B to name a few.

  43. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Getting Castro would be a coup.

    And no I don’t mean Fidel.

    ;)

  44. AAA November 6th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    my guess is that Grandy would prefer to stay in NY…..there isn’t a park better suited to him

    ============================

    Yes, but not for 1 year.

  45. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Blake-

    I’d much rather consume it than talk about it.

    ;)

  46. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    “Yes, but not for 1 year.”

    no but as I said above I’d be willing to go to 2 or 3 years with him. I know he has his warts but the warts with him sometimes overshadow what he can do which is hit homers, play defense and still run a little bit. Again I’d rather sign him than Beltran I think all things considered.

  47. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    One of the miscalculations, or if you’re of a kinder ilk, perfect storms, was the rash of injuries in 2013 that exposed the lack of ML-ready talent at AAA (and even AA). The original Plan 189 was not ill-conceived at all…. it just didn’t work because the ML roster fell on its face and the AAA wasn’t ready/able to support it.

    I still believe in Plan 189, just not for 2014. I believe it’s better implemented in 2017. The $90M hit to the bottom line by not winning was a stark blow to the balance sheet. That’s what matters in Tampa.

    To correct that, they can retool, revitalize the farm and stop drafting “high risk, high reward” players (we all know who they are). The 2013 draft was VERY encouraging. More of the same, please.

  48. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    I was on the Beltran beat the last 2 times he was a free agent…..I badly wanted them to sign him instead of trading for Johnson years ago and I badly wanted them to sign him 2 years ago when he was out there for a bargain price…….I have a bad feeling about him now though this 3rd time…..he’s 37 and is trending the wrong direction at getting on base.

    He’s still a good player and I’d love to have him…..but I think he’s being overvalued now because of his post season play and also the draft pick is attached to him.

  49. Yankee Trader November 6th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    If Granderson comes back, it would help salary wise, if Ichiro retires, although attendance might fall even further. How many more hits does he need for 4000. 2 more seasons?

  50. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    YT-

    Actually arb raises were estimated at more like 15-16 by Sherman a while back.

    A little too much on Cano.

    Grandy was always questionable.

    189 is, and always was, a straightjacket.

    I hope the Cray at Yankee HDQTRS spits out the correct answer- ditch 189. Go w Team Greedy.

    :)

  51. Tackelberry November 6th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Ichro is not gonna retire and leave 6.5 mill on the table. No way

  52. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Here’s hoping Granderson opts out. His production is replaceable.

    This draft has some nice talent lurking in the pick 35-40 range.

  53. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    “The original Plan 189 was not ill-conceived at all…. it just didn’t work because the ML roster fell on its face and the AAA wasn’t ready/able to support it.”

    I think it was ill-conceived to try to do it in this time frame…..too many things would have had to go right.

  54. Tackelberry November 6th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Wonder if Yanks would consider bringing back Veras this year. Was kinda surprised the Tigers did not exercise his option after the job he did, despite giving up that big home run to Victorino in game 6. He finally found his curveball this year.

  55. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    I gotta believe Grandy’s agent has his ear glued to the phone.

    If he’s hearing a multi-year offer then Grandy declines the QO.

  56. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    “This draft has some nice talent lurking in the pick 35-40 range.”

    could have a star lurking in the 15-18 range too where the Yanks would pick if they don’t lose the pick…..I’d give it up but they need to put a real title contender on the field next year to warrant it IMO…..otherwise it’s counterproductive and doesn’t get them anywhere.

  57. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    We do not need relievers IMO.

    We have a ton of them.

  58. Yankee Trader November 6th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    MTU

    let’s say they bust the budget and this is the offense next year:
    OF- Gardner, Granderson, Soriano, Wells/Ichiro
    IF- Tex, Cano, Jeter, Peralta, Nunez and Ryan
    C-MiCann, Cervelli

    Starters:
    CC
    Kuroda
    Tanaka
    Nova
    Nuno/phelps/Warren

    BP:
    DRob
    Kelley
    Pineda
    Claiborne
    One of Nuno, Phelps, or Warren
    Oh (Korean Oh)
    And one LOOGY

    Competitive? WS bound?

  59. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    they could let Grandy walk and sign Kubel cheap maybe…..he was terrible in 2013 but had a .833 OPS and hit 30 homers in 2012 and is only 31

  60. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    blake –

    Your perspective is understandable; mine is that, as it developed the past couple of years, I was encouraged that they actually had a non-emotional, rational approach to combating the tax problem.

    Again, unfortunately, it didn’t work this time. Doesn’t mean you don’t tweak it and move on (only this time, recognize that at the same time, trophies have to continue to accumulate in the board room).

  61. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    blake –

    It goes without saying that there are several stars lurking in the 18 range. This draft is one that the Yanks don’t want to miss out on.

  62. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    YT-

    Definitely competitive. McCann and Peralta are good O additions, and Tanaka shores up the Ro.

    WS is always a crapshoot.

  63. Yankee Trader November 6th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Granderson goes home to Chicago? 3/39 or thereabouts?

  64. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    YT -

    Unless they think Granderson is a CF, White Sox don’t have a place for him (yet).

  65. Yankee Trader November 6th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    MTU

    Then your lineup
    Gardner
    Jeter
    Cano
    Tex
    Soriano
    McCann
    Peralta
    Granderson
    Ichiro

    5 lefties, a switch hitter-not too shabby

  66. Yankee Trader November 6th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Wanzies-Is if viciedo, DiAza and Garcia now for the WS in their OF?

  67. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    YT – Correct. Not great, but young. The White Sox have a roster full of “potential”…awful job of developing it.

  68. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    “It goes without saying that there are several stars lurking in the 18 range. This draft is one that the Yanks don’t want to miss out on.”

    lets hope they don’t draft Dante Bichette the 3rd

  69. tucker November 6th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Reading the following Cash quote may be interpreted another way. Here’s the quote:

    It’s a goal that we have if it’s possible,” general manager Brian Cashman said last month. “There’s a lot of benefits to staying under that, but it’s not a mandate if it’s at the expense of a championship run. It just depends on what the opportunities are before us, and the costs associated with it.”

    Could Cash mean that if the Yanks don’t see a realistic way to build a championship-caliber club this offseason, they will stick to $189?

    Let’s face it. This team has so many holes right now, that building a championship-caliber club may not be possible — even if they sign 4-5 free agents and blow through the budget. Maybe the smartest move is just stick to $189 and rebuild rather than reload.

  70. Doreen November 6th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    tucker -

    Interesting take….

  71. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    The Yanks can field a team that makes a World Series run, but they gotta let Cano walk. Allowing Cano to walk, coupled with the $$$ saved when A-Rod gets 86′d for 150 games will allow the Yankees to repair this team for 2014, and build going forward. $189 can be achieved, McCann and Infante, maybe even Peralta can be added, AND the Yanks can realistically be in the 2014 World Series, but you gotta let go of Cano. You guys like looking at Cano’s numbers. I look at the Yanks winning 85 games last season, and Cano being out there almost every single game. He ain’t a leader, he ain’t a “difference maker”, and he just ain’t worth the $$$ or length of contract necessary to retain him.

  72. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    blake -

    There are a ton of college arms that should still be there at 18 and even 35.

  73. chicken little November 6th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Donnybrook — well said.

  74. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    “Could Cash mean that if the Yanks don’t see a realistic way to build a championship-caliber club this offseason, they will stick to $189?”

    this is what I’m hoping…..I’d love to field a title contender in 2014 but if that just not possible then the hope is that they just don’t do anything to get worse or to make it harder to become good in the future.

    Letting expiring contracts go and getting cheaper won’t make the club better……but it’ll make them more flexible financially and when they actually are ready to be good again then there will be money to spend……not to mention that having 2 or 3 high picks could help.

  75. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    “There are a ton of college arms that should still be there at 18 and even 35.”

    if the keep the pick and Granderson leaves then they could have picks in the 15-18 range and then in the 30-35 range. Those picks combined with last years picks “could” really brighten the future of the ball club.

    That’s why they should keep them unless there is a chance to win for real next year……and not Hal’s PR version of winning….really winning.

  76. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    The Mops insist on going out.

    So I’ll be back.

    :)

  77. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    “The Yanks can field a team that makes a World Series run, but they gotta let Cano walk. ”

    I don’t see any way this is true.

    If they let Cano go then they’ll have to sign Choo and Infante just to get back to where they were last year……then sign more people to actually improve.

    The only way they are making a WS run in 2014 is to keep Cano and then get a bunch more players to add to him.

  78. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    blake –

    I don’t think there is any question that with some tweaking to the roster, they can win in 2014. They need to shore up their SP and fix the left side of the infield. An OF bat would help as well.

    Assuming they can add a couple of arms in the draft, I believe they have plenty of A-AAA arms that they can (and will need to) move to fix SS and 3B.

  79. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    If Cano leaves then the Yankees should just rebuild and pretty much not sign anybody that costs a lot of money…..they should keep the draft pick….get under the cap and then go hog wild in free agency in 2015 and beyond…..by then maybe the farm system will be ready to help.

  80. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    “I don’t think there is any question that with some tweaking to the roster, they can win in 2014. They need to shore up their SP and fix the left side of the infield. An OF bat would help as well.”

    I think they can but I think it’ll be difficult under the 189 mark……possible but very difficult. They’d need to be able to sign a few key players and have really good healthy in 2014 with some guys (like CC and Tex) to bounce back.

  81. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    It’s hilarious to see you guys salivating over draft picks that will be made by the same schmucks that are responsible for the Yanks current crop of mediocre Bushers. As Spock would say, “I find this Highly illogical”.

  82. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    I’m hopeful they can either sign Peralta to a short deal or trade for a SS and move Jeter to 3B. If they do that and get a catcher that’ll help a lot.

  83. Yankee Trader November 6th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Have to run. Have a great day everyone.

    Until later.

  84. blake November 6th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    yes Donny lets keep giving away all the good draft picks and then wondering why the team is so old….that makes sense.

    The yankees had a very good draft last year…..it was very well thought out and they got great value for all 3 of their picks.

  85. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    The way to win in 2014 is to 1st plug holes. That means 3B and C. Choo does not plug a hole. He would probably be an upgrade, but he is Not plugging a hole. Fill the holes 1st, see where you are at that point in regard to realistically making the playoffs, then if you have room vs the $189, make upgrades like Choo.

  86. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    blake -

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see the Cubs and Yankees make a trade. They match up very well in terms of needs and assets.

    Agree re: Peralta. His versatility would be pretty useful.

  87. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    I would be in favor of keeping draft picks if the Yanks would sh*t can the people responsible for the mess we currently have in the Bushes. To believe these same people are Suddenly going to get smart is ridiculous.

  88. blake November 6th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    “It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see the Cubs and Yankees make a trade. They match up very well in terms of needs and assets.”

    a Castro for Nova swap seems to make sense for both…..agree I could see them doing somthing.

  89. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    DONNYBROOK –

    I would add SS to your list. Jeter, until proven otherwise, is a DH. If he can play in the field, all the better, but I think it’s a mistake to assume he’ll a star again. A combo 3B/SS is the most optimum.

  90. tucker November 6th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    The Yanks’ sustained run over the last two decades was built on Jeter, Mo, Posada, Bernie, Andy and O’Neil. Those guys are all gone except Jeter, a soon-to-be 40-year-old shortstop coming off a serious ankle\lower leg injury.

    You just can’t add a CC here or a Tex there to make this a championship club again. Just too many holes.

    Stick to vets on short-term deals and meet 189. If Cano walks, then he walks.

    The Yanks could have sustained the run a little longer if they went after the Cubans, etc. But the team stopped spending — perhaps to force this great reset that would inevitably end with the the retirement of the Core Four plus Bernie and O’Neil.

  91. wanzies222 November 6th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    blake -

    Don’t stop there. I’d love to see them pry a 3B from the Cubs. They are loaded at 3B (Olt, Bryant, Lake), all real close to MLB ready.

  92. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    If I am going to trade Nova, it would be for a proven commodity like Tulo. Castro is an “air head” coming off a horrible season. Yea, I know Castro is only available because of 1 bad season and he might bounce back, but the guy plays dumb, and dumb is Forever.

  93. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    For the moment, I would pencil in Nunez and Ryan as my SS Insurance for Jeet. Once I have plugged the holes at 3B and C, I would then look at SS once again, and maybe the OF if Grandy has turned down the QO.

  94. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    - tucker -
    Agree on the Cubans, and you can add Darvish to that list. Plain dumb to Not go this route and then for Hal to continue making his “$189 Proclamation”

  95. JobaTipsHisCap November 6th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    speaking of Torre, he always reminds me 4 champs and the choking 2004.
    life is fair.

  96. pkyankfan69 November 6th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Resign Cano – 8 years – $200M
    Resign Grandy – 3 years – $45M
    Resign Kuroda – 1 year – $15M
    Sign Salty 3 years – $30M
    Sign Peralta – 2 year – $20M
    Sign Morneau – 1 year – $8M
    Sign Tanaka – 6 years – $60M ($60M Posting fee)
    Sign Brian Wilson – 2 years – $15M

    CF – Gardner
    3B – Jeter
    2B – Cano
    1B – Tex
    DH – Morneau
    LF – Soriano
    RF – Grandy
    SS – Peralta
    C – Salty

    (While the only elite hitter is Cano the line up is pretty damn deep)

    CC – Kuroda – Tanaka – Nova – Pineda/Phelps

    Drob – Wilson – Kelley – Betances – Cabral – Phelps/Warren/Nuno

    Doesn’t keep to the $189M plan but it’s mostly short term deals aside from Cano and Tanaka (who we will likely want long term anyway.) We would also keep the draft pick. Moreau gives us a solid back up to Tex. Peralta gives us flexibility with SS/3B/OF.

    Would this team win? Is this realistic at all?

  97. jpb173 November 6th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    tucker November 6th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    The Yanks’ sustained run over the last two decades was built on Jeter, Mo, Posada, Bernie, Andy and O’Neil. Those guys are all gone except Jeter, a soon-to-be 40-year-old shortstop coming off a serious ankle\lower leg injury.

    You just can’t add a CC here or a Tex there to make this a championship club again. Just too many holes.

    Stick to vets on short-term deals and meet 189. If Cano walks, then he walks.

    The Yanks could have sustained the run a little longer if they went after the Cubans, etc. But the team stopped spending — perhaps to force this great reset that would inevitably end with the the retirement of the Core Four plus Bernie and O’Neil.

    ===============================================

    Great Post!!!! I totally agree!!! The only thing that I will add is that the 2014 free agent class is not good enough to do a “reset”. There is enough talent to fill holes but not enough to make the Yankees a WS contender or to boost the TV ratings and attendance. The real “reset” is going to have to come from the Minor Leagues or from future better free agent classes.

    The Yankees are better off biting the bullet by getting below the LT threshold now and building up draft picks. its time for some of the commissioner’s
    ‘competitive balance’ money to for the Yankees instead of against them.

    Robinson Cano is neither a drawing card nor a building block. If the Yankees are going to be down for a few years then its better to let him go and pay someone else 20% what Cano makes to get 70% of his production. That’s how to rebuild this team.

  98. Ys Guy November 6th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    salty is horrendous behind the plate.

  99. Against All Odds November 6th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    This is NY you can’t rebuild here

  100. Against All Odds November 6th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Robinson Cano is neither a drawing card nor a building block

    ———————-

    He is a building block but true he isn’t a drawing power which is why he left Boras and signed with CAA/Jay-z. Scott would have gotten him the same or more money but Cano was looking to expand his brand.

  101. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    McCann would be my 1st choice at C, with Pierzynski for 1 season the fall-back option.

  102. pkyankfan69 November 6th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Chandler is out 4-6 weeks… Brutal start for the Knicks….

    Sucky sports year for us Yankee/Giants/Knicks fans.

  103. blake November 6th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    “Don’t stop there. I’d love to see them pry a 3B from the Cubs. They are loaded at 3B (Olt, Bryant, Lake), all real close to MLB ready.”

    I’m guessing they see Bryant and Baez as their 3B and SS of the future so Olt is probably aquireable….I’m not sure what he is though at this point…..might could get him thrown into a bigger deal.

  104. blake November 6th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    “salty is horrendous behind the plate.”

    didn’t stop Boston from winning it all…..Jorge wasn’t great behind the plate in 2009 either.

  105. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Why on Earth would the Yanks commit all kinds of $$$, for at least 7yrs, to a 30 something player that is attempting to “expand his brand”?

  106. Against All Odds November 6th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2013 at 11:41 am
    Why on Earth would the Yanks commit all kinds of $$$, for at least 7yrs, to a 30 something player that is attempting to “expand his brand”?

    —————–

    Because in NY specifically on the Yankees you need marquee players.

  107. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    If given the choice, I would go with Martin over Salty. Yanks would look pretty stupid to allow Martin to walk, and then a season later sign Salty multi year.

  108. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Whether in NY or anywhere else, a contending team needs players whose priorities are Not screwed up. “Expanding your brand” has no place in the mentality of a player on a championship team. A player with that kind of mentality needs to be 86′d ASAP.

  109. pkyankfan69 November 6th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    If given the choice, I would go with Martin over Salty. Yanks would look pretty stupid to allow Martin to walk, and then a season later sign Salty multi year

    ——————————————–
    Martin 2013: .226/.327/.377/.704
    Salty 2013: .273/.338/.466/.804

    It was stupid to not sign Martin last year but Salty definitely out preformed him at the plate last year. Salty’s lefty power would also be a perfect fit for NYS. Salty’s defense might not be great but it’s not like Stewie or Romine was playing GG caliber C last year.

    Bottom line, Salty is available, Martin is not… I’d also be fine with McCann or AJP. However Salty might just be the best value if McCann does sign for $90M + while Salty only gets around 1/3 of that.

  110. Against All Odds November 6th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    “Expanding your brand” has no place in the mentality of a player on a championship team. A player with that kind of mentality needs to be 86?d ASAP.

    ————————————

    It doesn’t have to be either or. Did Jeter have his priorities screwed up when he was dating the hottest women on the scene and doing commercials?? As long as the player shows up and plays everyday who cares what they are doing business wise to make their money.

  111. MTU November 6th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Proximo Hilo ——->

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