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Yankees coaching staff returning for 2014

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 08, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees just announced that their entire coaching staff is returning for 2014. Here’s the press release…

Kevin Long, Curtis GrandersonThe New York Yankees today announced Joe Girardi’s coaching staff for the 2014 season. Mike Harkey (bullpen), Mick Kelleher (first base), Kevin Long (hitting), Tony Pena (bench), Larry Rothschild (pitching) and Rob Thomson (third base) will all return in the roles they served in 2013.

Harkey, 47, will enter his seventh season as the Yankees bullpen coach in 2014. Since joining the Major League coaching staff in 2008, the Yankees have gone 491-17 when leading the game at the end of the eighth inning, the most such wins in the Major Leagues over the stretch. In 2013, Yankees relievers combined for 49 saves, which was fifth-most in the Majors.

Kelleher, 66, will begin his sixth season as Yankees first base coach and 16th year as a member of the Yankees organization. Since joining the Major League staff in 2009, Kelleher has also served as the club’s infield instructor, with the team leading the Majors with a .987 fielding percentage over the five-season span. In 2013, the Yankees made just 69 errors, which was the third-lowest total in the Majors and tied the franchise record for fewest in a season (also 2010). Their .988 fielding percentage set a new franchise record, fractionally better than their .988 mark in 2010.

Long, 46, will embark on his eighth season as Yankees hitting coach in 2014 after assuming the post in 2007. In his seven seasons with the club, the Yankees have led the Major Leagues in runs scored three times (2007, ’09-10) and finished second twice (2011 and ’12). Over the seven-season span, the Yankees lead the Majors in home runs (1,437) and rank second in runs scored (5,852).

Pena, 56, will begin his sixth season as Yankees bench coach and ninth season on the Yankees Major League coaching staff, having served as the club’s first base coach from 2006-08. Additionally, he has been the team’s catching instructor in each of his eight seasons with the Major League club. Over the span, Yankees catchers have caught 279 potential base stealers, matching San Francisco for most in the Majors. Prior to the 2013 regular season, he managed the 2013 World Baseball Classic-champion Dominican Republic team and became the first WBC manager to lead his team to an undefeated record (8-0).

Rothschild, 60, will enter his fourth season as Yankees pitching coach, marking his 40th season in professional baseball as a player, coach or manager. Since joining the Yankees in 2011, the club’s pitching staff has recorded a 2.74 strikeout-to-walk ratio (3,773 strikeouts, 1,375 walks), the third-best mark in the Majors over the three-year span, trailing only the Philadelphia Phillies (2.94) and Detroit Tigers (2.77). Prior to joining the Yankees, Rothschild served as the pitching coach for the Chicago Cubs for nine seasons (2002-10).

Thomson, 50, will start his 25th season as a member of the Yankees organization, seventh on the club’s Major League coaching staff and sixth as third base coach. The Ontario, Canada native oversees the Yankees’ outfielders, who combined for a .993 fielding percentage (1,119TC, 8E) in 2013, the second-best mark in the Majors behind the Baltimore Orioles (.995). Thomson served as Yankees bench coach during the 2008 season.

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284 Responses to “Yankees coaching staff returning for 2014”

  1. Against All Odds November 8th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Great the return of K-long smfh

  2. Against All Odds November 8th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    They are in transition

    ————–

    I thought they transitioned yrs ago to avoid getting into a mess now.

  3. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Thomson almost got Cano killed this year, but whatever.

  4. Mike in Harrisburg November 8th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    So the message is fail to make the playoffs – no consequences.

  5. DONNYBROOK November 8th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    The return of Long, means more Long Ball mind set AB’s. Situational hitting on this team was absent last season, as was working the pitch counts. I can Not solely blame Long, as Girardi rubber stamps the “all or nothing” philosophy also. This is why the Yanks were dead in the water last season. A team loaded with Punch-and-Judy’s, while Girardi and Long continued espousing the 3 Run Dinger.

  6. Bret The Hitman November 8th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Have any player’s numbers improved over career with Kevin Long on staff?

  7. Bret The Hitman November 8th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    If so, I’m not aware of that player.

  8. Mike Ri November 8th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Just tossing this out there

    FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal reports that the Dodgers are listening to offers for Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier and Carl Crawford.
    Rosenthal writes that the club is telling prospective suitors, “If you’re interested in one of them, make us an offer.” One of the trio seems likely to be moved this winter, with Ethier probably the most likely to depart. As one rival executive told Rosenthal, the club would likely have to eat some salary when moving any of the three. The Dodgers, of course, have Yasiel Puig slated for everyday duty next season, and top prospect Joc Pederson isn’t far away.

  9. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Bret – Actually, I’d ask the contra.

  10. Giuseppe Franco November 8th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    I guess those who have whined for Kevin Long to be fired can now officially continue to whine for at least another season.

  11. Mottsx November 8th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Guess K Long coming back means big Left Handed Power Bats are going to be signed!!!

    Wishful thinking?

  12. Giuseppe Franco November 8th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Now I don’t think the coaching staff necessarily needed widespread changes but I do find it a bit troublesome that the only position the front office/ownership felt the need to change after such a lackluster season from top to bottom (including the developmental side) was the strength and conditioning coach.

    If they don’t see the need to make some fundamental changes then I have a hard time feeling confident we’re going to see any real improvement in 2014.

  13. DONNYBROOK November 8th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Stop with the Yankee fielding percentage in relation to Kelleher. Those numbers mean Zippo as the Official Scorers rule just about every boot, juggle, bobble, kick, and drop a “Hit”.

  14. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Mottsx – Who might that be? I can only think of Cano, McCann, Granderson…. they would be a start, I suppose.

  15. mick November 8th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    So if we get Choo and Beltran for Porch Watch duty with Gardy, Ichi and Sori that leaves 1 on the bench when 1 DH’s.

    Could live with that.

    Don’t think they worry too much about the pick. We get one back when Grandy goes.

  16. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    GF – Don’t forget the video tech!!

  17. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    mick – The pick won’t be in NY until 2017 ish, so I’m over it.

  18. mick November 8th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Now I don’t think the coaching staff necessarily needed widespread changes but I do find it a bit troublesome
    =============
    So they can’t use the injury “excuse…”

  19. mick November 8th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    wanzies

    you like me aren’t progressive then….never was the Yankee way to sit and wait on youngins.

    as it is we have plenty down below, more than ever, esp pitchers and catchers

  20. mick November 8th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    giving up on the farm would mean trading away some of the P and C’s.

  21. Giuseppe Franco November 8th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    GF – Don’t forget the video tech!!

    ——

    Ok, you got me. I can’t imagine how many wins that change will add to their win total next season.

  22. DONNYBROOK November 8th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Penciling in a DH scenario should be Kiboshed until we see what we got with Jeet coming outta Spring Training.

  23. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    mick – Oh, I’m progressive, and I truly believe you build from the bottom up, but, you also have to be smart enough to see what you have and what you are. What the Yankees have manifested itself in what they are….which is not ready to rely on their ability to grow corn.

  24. mick November 8th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    the guy that irks me is Thomson.
    something about him , other than his poor judgment.

  25. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    GF – Depends on his WAR rating.

  26. blake November 8th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    how in the world are they keeping Thompson…..he’s the worst 3B coach I’ve ever seen.

    if Kemp is available then go get him……he will back back and his contract is expensive but not like crazy expensive.

    Trade for Kemp and sign Choo and then we have an offense again.

  27. mick November 8th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Penciling in a DH scenario
    =================
    This should not impact an OF of Beltran Choo Gardy Ichi and Sori whether Jeter DH’s or not.

  28. mick November 8th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    I think I read Thomson was being considered for Mgr job somewhere.
    Was hoping for that…

  29. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    mick – Maybe Thomson should move back to his old job as Director of Minor League Development.

  30. mick November 8th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    At this point, none of the prospects are ready but I can’t remember a time when we had so many down on the farm almost ready.

    This will impact any future trades and FA’s, so the time is near for this crop.

    If it doesn’t work out then they will be spending again in the future. That has not been taken off the table.

  31. blake November 8th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    I don’t know what to make of Long to be honest……on one hand I don’t really like how pull and homer happy a lot of the lineup has become……on the other hand most of the hitters they have are terrible and it’s unfair to blame that on the hitting coach.

  32. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    blake – What would you trade for Kemp? The Dodgers don’t need much except an empty locker to give to Pederson. I don’t think you’d like his numerous DL stints either. Pass.

  33. blake November 8th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    I really don’t have any idea of Thompson’s value as a member of the staff in other capacities……but he’s a TERRIBLE 3B coach……it’s he’s staying it needs to be doing something else. He costs them runs every year and they can’t afford that anymore……

  34. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    mick – My sense is that the plan is valid, just spotty timing. Push it out three years and transition the young guys in (particularly in the OF, C and pitching). Something will have to be done about 3B and SS and those answers are not in the draft or in AAA.

  35. Giuseppe Franco November 8th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    I think we fans need to temper expectations regarding all the free agent buzz linking the Yanks to players x and y because everything this front office has done the last couple of seasons certainly seem to indicate that the 189M Plan is still very real.

    Perhaps missing the postseason and watching their arch rivals win the series may have scrapped those plans but I’ll believe it when I see it.

    Any guarantees otherwise is nothing more than speculation and even wishful thinking.

    Besides, they have too many holes to simply buy their way out of this mess. Several fundamental changes in philosophies have to be made before the Yanks can return to Evil Empire lore again.

  36. mick November 8th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Grabbing hitters like Choo and Beltran,who won’t buy into the Pull Happy philosophy, would be a good thing.
    You can’t rely on that philosophy in the playoffs on the road or at home against the leagues elite pitchers.
    Beltran is key as a Switcher in a lefty heavy OF.

  37. blake November 8th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    “blake – What would you trade for Kemp? The Dodgers don’t need much except an empty locker to give to Pederson. I don’t think you’d like his numerous DL stints either. Pass.”

    Kemp played 155+ games 4 straight years before 2012 so it’s not like he’s always been injury prone…..just recently…..and he’s only a year removed from back to back .900+ OPS seasons.

    RH power and hitting ability like his is scare and he’s just 29 years old…….he’s young enough to get back to that elite level.

    Choo, Kemp, Cano is a real middle of the lineup……of course that wouldn’t fit under the cap but it’d get me excited for 2014 if they made that happen.

  38. DONNYBROOK November 8th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    I would pass on Beltran due to his age and how he would he complicates the DH situation in relation to Jeet. Beltran has needed regular rest in addition to days off the last 2 seasons. This is especially true after the All Star break, as he has dropped off badly at that point. Throw in Girardi and his consistent “resting” of all the starting players, and adding the aging Beltran to the roster is a bad idea. The Yanks do not know where they are at in regard to how many games Jeet can play at SS, so anyone added to the roster should be a full-time 140 game player.
    I would certainly inquire as to how much $$$ the Dodgers are willing to eat on the Kemp contract. Sounds like a revival of the Cano for Kemp deal of long ago.

  39. blake November 8th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Beltran is a switch hitter but he doesn’t hit lefties great anymore. He had a significant split this year and only had a .281 OBP vs LHP in 2013.

    He’s not like Granderson or Choo terrible vs LHP but he does most of his damage vs righties these days.

  40. joeman November 8th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    mick November 8th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
    the guy that irks me is Thomson.
    something about him , other than his poor judgment.

    —————————–
    would have liked to see Willie take his place

  41. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Bobby Meacham has made Rob Thomson look good, actually.

  42. Mike Ri November 8th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Would love to get Kemp ..

  43. UpState November 8th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Cashman to talk to the Dodgers ?

    Ask (and get) Corey Seager.

  44. mick November 8th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    I really don’t have any idea of Thompson’s value as a member of the staff in other capacities…
    ======================
    He has been here 25 years so we have won in spite of him before and hopefully we get good enough to do it again .

  45. blake November 8th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Jeter 3B/SS
    Choo RF
    Kemp LF
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Soriano DH
    Salty C
    Castro SS/3B
    Gardner CF

    You could tell them Red Socks to bring it on with that lineup!

  46. joeman November 8th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Kemp with ankle problem..no thanks

  47. blake November 8th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    yes I realize that if we traded for Kemp then whatever we would potentially trade for Castro would be gone already but it’s my fantasy so leave me alone.

  48. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    blake – Nice, but you skipped the part about what you’re sending to Magic to get Kemp?

  49. joeman November 8th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    is this what you all want….

    #Dodgers: Matt Kemp will have left shoulder surgery today, for a “clean up on his A-C joint.” He’s still on crutches as ankle heals, too.

  50. blake November 8th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    “blake – Nice, but you skipped the part about what you’re sending to Magic to get Kemp?”

    my guess is they’d ask for Nova and Gardner and a big bag of money so they could turn around and spend it on Cano.

  51. blake November 8th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    “is this what you all want….

    #Dodgers: Matt Kemp will have left shoulder surgery today, for a “clean up on his A-C joint.” He’s still on crutches as ankle heals, too.”

    yes…..when he heals he could be awesome again.

  52. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    joeman – I’ve already passed….but, yes, that is what you’d get.

  53. JobaTipsHisCap November 8th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Rothschild as pitching coach? does this mean yanks shouldnt worry about budget anymore?

  54. Mike Ri November 8th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    If the Dodgers are throwing Kemps name out there .. . you have to at least listen ….

  55. mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    The only thing teams would want are a few of our young pitchers and Nova.
    If they are looking to get rid of Kemp, hard to believe they can’t find a place for that bat, then it might be a salary dump but they print money over there.
    If that’s the case then they might have to pay some of his salary here.

  56. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    if the Dodgers trade Kemp then they will make an all out assault on Cano…..actually the fact that they are trying to trade money suggests to me that they are lying about wanting Cano anyway. I think they will be in on him……wouldn’t shock me if they made a stupid offer out of the Dodger blue.

  57. joeman November 8th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    blake November 8th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
    “is this what you all want….

    #Dodgers: Matt Kemp will have left shoulder surgery today, for a “clean up on his A-C joint.” He’s still on crutches as ankle heals, too.”

    yes…..when he heals he could be awesome again.

    ————————————————————————-
    he’s missed 170 games in the last two seasons..what your going to get is another Youkilis….need to stop chasing after those big names

  58. bigdan22 November 8th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    “The reality is that the 18th pick has a roughly 20% success rate, projected out 3-5 years. Eh, not part of this equation.”

    Correct. The Yanks’ categorical imperative ought to be “the right player at the right price.” Having said that, if you can acquire a similar player without giving up your pick obviously that should be a factor.

  59. yankinvegas November 8th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    The coaching staff works hard and deserves to be back. The construction of the roster, injuries, budget have nothing to do with them. I’m glad that they are coming back.
    As for the 189, who knows?
    How pissed off is Hal that Boston won? Who knows?
    We’ll start to find out soon. If Alex is suspended for most or all of 2014, 189 is doable while improving the club at the same time.
    Watch the Dodgers try to drive a hard bargain AFTER they did Boston the greatest favor any team in any sport ever did for another team in the salary cap era. Screw the Dodgers. I hope that half of their team breaks their left leg and the other half breaks their right leg and all the pitchers need Tommy John. I blame them for the angst I felt all season.

  60. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    “he’s missed 170 games in the last two seasons..what your going to get is another Youkilis….need to stop chasing after those big names”

    totally different ages…..totlally different body types.

  61. joeman November 8th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    “he’s missed 170 games in the last two seasons..what your going to get is another Youkilis….need to stop chasing after those big names”

    totally different ages…..totlally different body types.

    —————————————
    YEP if you say so

  62. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    if you say to yourself that the 18th pick in the draft has a 20% success rate enough times then you end up with the Yankees farm system while some other team has Michael Wacha

  63. joeman November 8th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Kemp//C&P

    The latest shoulder issue raises more concerns about the 29-year-old player’s future with the Dodgers. While he is expected to be ready for Opening Day 2014, his past history provides reason for doubt.

  64. bigdan22 November 8th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Wasn’t that long ago I was dreaming of Kemp as the next great Yankee CF. Problem is still the same. The Yanks have no real tradable assets for any impact player. Still, the best thing that could happen to this organization is a great minor league season.

    “Such stuff that dreams are made on.”

  65. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    I don’t think LA will trade Kemp unless they get a star type guy back…..they can afford him and they can wait to see if he becomes great again. If he does then you have Puig, Kemp, Hanley, and Agon in the middle of that lineup and that’s pretty good……especailly when they’ll probably either trade for Price or sign him to pair with Kershaw at some point.

  66. Against All Odds November 8th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg November 8th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
    So the message is fail to make the playoffs – no consequences.

    ——————————

    I’m sure we’ll hear soon that Newman is back.

  67. Against All Odds November 8th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Wasn’t that long ago I was dreaming of Kemp as the next great Yankee CF. Problem is still the same. The Yanks have no real tradable assets for any impact player. Still, the best thing that could happen to this organization is a great minor league season.

    ————-

    We’ve been waiting on this forever :(

  68. bigdan22 November 8th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Take a look at the data. Michael Wacha is the exception not the rule. A huge exception actually. The Yanks are where they are in part because of the Bichette’s, Cole’s (which was a huge admin error), Brackman’s and others on a list way too long to remember.

  69. mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Why shouldn’t the coaching staff be back?
    This regime is not led by a volatile hit and miss leader who fires by reflex.

  70. DONNYBROOK November 8th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    That track record is exactly why you can Not value the 1st round pick. Same Bozo’s making the call.

  71. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    DONNY – Clowns are scary to begin with… when you let them pick your baseball team, what’s to expect?

  72. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    And it’s not just the Yankees’ track record… that’s in all of baseball. So Bozo really has his work cut out for him.

  73. mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Just want to say that the recent influx of posters are a breath of fresh air.

    So much so, that the usual suspects seem to have taken a leave of absence as they reveled in their own negativity, disguised as reality.

    You know the saying, “Misery loves company.”

    It’s been a lot more pleasant and optimistic here lately and I thank the newbies for that.

    Stay the course, but be ready for the Doom Platoon, as I feel they are lurking and will challenge you as soon as they smell the blood of a “bad” move.

  74. joeman November 8th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Dodgers wouldn’t trade the 2011 Matt Kemp…but the will trade this one and why not

  75. DONNYBROOK November 8th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Always like the episode of Seinfeld concerning Kramer and his fear of clowns. Hal should have the same level of fear come draft time.

  76. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    “Take a look at the data. Michael Wacha is the exception not the rule.”

    a lot of good players get drafted in that 15-18 range. A lot more there than 30th……my point wasn’t that you’ll for sure draft a Wacha if you keep that pick…..my point was that if you keep giving them away then whatever chance you did have at getting one diminishes greatly.

    A great percentage of the good players in baseball today were drafted in the top 25 picks of the draft..,….I know everyone likes to say that you can find talent anywhere and like to point to the outliers like Matt Moore…..but the truth is that if you make a list of the say top 50 players in baseball then a lot of them will have been top 25 picks…..

    and if you continually give those picks away then you just take yourself off the table for those players.

  77. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    DONNY – Maybe he does, which is why he won’t let his Bozos draft in the first round….

  78. bigdan22 November 8th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    “Just want to say that the recent influx of posters are a breath of fresh air.

    So much so, that the usual suspects seem to have taken a leave of absence as they reveled in their own negativity, disguised as reality.

    You know the saying, “Misery loves company.”

    It’s been a lot more pleasant and optimistic here lately and I thank the newbies for that.”

    Lol. You can’t be talking about me.

    BTW, that Miami thing is just plain nuts. I saw a commentator on Olbermann the other day who called herself an expert on “adult bullying.” Does anyone else think that’s an oxymoron? At least when you are talking about an adult male “victim” who weighs 315 pounds?

  79. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    “Dodgers wouldn’t trade the 2011 Matt Kemp…but the will trade this one and why not”

    they have a good example of why not with another player on their own team……Hanley Ramierez was left for dead but he never stopped being super talented……eventually that talent found it’s way to the surface again once he was healthy and happy.

  80. mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    So much for the new NBA champions , the NY Nets.
    Pierce is hurt and almost as old as Garnett.
    Kidd has no experience.

    The Knicks weren’t playing defense anyway so the loss of Chandler should wake them up.

  81. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    mick – “A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” Winston Churchill

  82. bigdan22 November 8th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Somebody on some website did a list of players I think drafted 13-20 over the last 10 years. It wasn’t very pretty. Cole Hamels and I think maybe one other guy who was pretty good. Lots who never made it to the majors. I’m fairly certain the difference in the success rate there and 30-35 is not worth the consideration of a free agent acquisition unless all other things are equal.

  83. Cashmoney November 8th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    this what i don’t get, G says Arod hearing complicates the plan, sure it’s very true, but u telling me the yankees have no sort of inkling that this might drag on and consequentially have a contingent plan? This FO is a**backwards in their ability to project future and assess accordingly it’s mind boggling.

  84. Bret The Hitman November 8th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Putting Kemp out there at least deters one of Choo’s potential suitors. Texas has plenty to deal for Kemp.

  85. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    you could make a long list of good players in MLB today that the “bozos” never had a chance to draft because they always pick too low.

    That doesn’t mean they don’t need to improve…..it does mean that draft wise the Yankees have been at a disadvantage for almost 20 years because they have won so much

  86. Cashmoney November 8th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Is Cashman able to operate with a fork and a knife simultaneously when dining?

  87. mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    One thing about the experts who predict : Did any of them have the redsox to win it all?
    Was it their draft picks or the luck of a trade that brought them no one?
    Neither.

    They got lucky with the 6-7 FA’s they bought on the cheap.

    They also have no core and will not repeat with their journeymen.

    It seems like we are in the same position they were in , if we get lucky and spend some money on the right FA’s.

  88. bigdan22 November 8th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Moreover, I think studies have shown the success rate drop off in the draft is somewhere around pick 5 or 6. Something to look forward to if the Yanks can’t improve their pitching for next year and win about 74 games.

  89. mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    it does mean that draft wise the Yankees have been at a disadvantage for almost 20 years because they have won so much
    =======================
    Isn’t that like saying:
    “Nobody goes to that restaurant anymore, it’s too crowded there.”

  90. joeman November 8th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
    One thing about the experts who predict : Did any of them have the redsox to win it all?

    ——————————————–
    I did

  91. bigdan22 November 8th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    “One thing about the experts who predict : Did any of them have the redsox to win it all?
    Was it their draft picks or the luck of a trade that brought them no one?
    Neither.

    They got lucky with the 6-7 FA’s they bought on the cheap.

    They also have no core and will not repeat with their journeymen.

    It seems like we are in the same position they were in , if we get lucky and spend some money on the right FA’s.”

    I agree with all of this except the last point. I don’t think anybody is going to get that lucky again for at least a generation.

  92. mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    I did
    ===
    So you thought Gomes, Victorino, Napoli and Ross were the missing links?

  93. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

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    I haven’t seen it but I think the difference can be significant in some drafts…..some drafts there probably isn’t much difference between 18 to 30…..others there might be a lot. This is a good draft by all accounts and my point isn’t that they should keep the pick at all costs…..my point is that if they are going to lose it then they had better make it worthwhile by putting a real contender out there.

    Im fine with them signing away the pick but only if they commit to spending enough to put a team that can serioulsy contend out there. 1 player isn’t going to do it….

  94. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    bigdan – You’re close enough to call accurate — it’s actually 8. After that the dropoff is pretty dramatic, (35% down to 20% in the 15-18 range and 15% in the 22-30 range).

  95. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    blake – True, these studies (many of them) have been done over time and use averages, so there will be fluctuations. However, the trends are undeniable.

  96. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    “Moreover, I think studies have shown the success rate drop off in the draft is somewhere around pick 5 or 6. Something to look forward to if the Yanks can’t improve their pitching for next year and win about 74 games.”

    again I think it depends on the draft……

  97. mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

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    ===================
    We agree in principle.
    It’s rare when a team has to rely on so many FA pickups to win it all.
    The rs go nowhere without Pedroia, Ortiz and Ellsbury.
    Lackey’s comeback was also critical.
    Of course their pen came out of nowhere too…

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  99. bigdan22 November 8th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    “I haven’t seen it but I think the difference can be significant in some drafts…..some drafts there probably isn’t much difference between 18 to 30…..others there might be a lot. This is a good draft by all accounts and my point isn’t that they should keep the pick at all costs…..my point is that if they are going to lose it then they had better make it worthwhile by putting a real contender out there.

    Im fine with them signing away the pick but only if they commit to spending enough to put a team that can serioulsy contend out there. 1 player isn’t going to do it….”

    I don’t really disagree with any of this. I’d like them to get a pick for Granderson as well. And one for Kuroda would be awesome. But what I’d like more is a little better success rate. And BTW, I’ve seen some posts indicating how well the Yanks did last year in the draft. I think that assessment is a bit premature. I think it takes at least 3 years to evaluate a draft.

  100. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    obviously the top 10 picks are where the real low risk guys are…..but I feel safe saying that if you draft in the 15-20 range for 10 years vs the 28+ range for 10 years then youy’re going to have a better chance at finding a stars with the earlier picks.

    You don’t have to hit every year either…..Jason Heyward was taken #14, Wacha and Shelby Miller #18. You just have to hit the bulls eye every now and then and the bulls eye is a little bigger there than later on.

  101. Cashmoney November 8th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    I think that assessment is a bit premature. I think it takes at least 3 years to evaluate a draft.
    —-
    talk to me when they get to AA.

  102. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    bigdan – I’m one of those who has touted last year’s draft. My assessment was based on a LOT of scouting data and the perception of where those players should be drafted. They were actually right on slot for the most part. Now, remember, that’s compared to the “who the heck is that” or “are you kidding me” responses from prior years….

  103. mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    I haven’t been here for awhile but in the past there would have been a sh!tstorm here re: the rehiring of the entire staff.
    In no uncertain terms, stated as fact, there would have been conspiracy theories up the ying yang re: NYY’s FO not willing to admit their massive mistakes and absolving them of any blame for last years and the recent past fiascos .

    It is eery that they all seem to have gone away.

  104. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    “Now, remember, that’s compared to the “who the heck is that” or “are you kidding me” responses from prior years….”

    yea they went off the radar 2 straight years…..Culver finally looks like maybe he’s progressing a little but Dante looks lost. They likely could haven’t gotten both of those guys later in the draft anyway as neither was on anybody’s top 100

  105. bigdan22 November 8th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Cashmoney November 8th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    I think that assessment is a bit premature. I think it takes at least 3 years to evaluate a draft.
    —-
    “talk to me when they get to AA.”

    Damn straight. I’ve said this a bunch of times. When someone says the strength of a minor league system is in the lower levels that’s the same as saying the minor league system sucks. Minor league systems should be evaluated almost exclusively on the number of potential Major leaguers at AA and above.

  106. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    blake – No question, and even more important, to me, is that the Yankees for YEARS, opted to gamble with “high risk, high reward” picks… and now we live with the results. Had they taken players in the appropriate draft slots, they would’ve at least had the “broken clock” part to rely and couldn’t have avoided at least SOME degree of success. The high risk approach became “high risk, no reward”.

  107. pkyankfan69 November 8th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Wonder if the Yanks would have any interest in Tim Hudson if they don’t resign Kuroda… Seems like a sinker baller like Hudson is exactly what you want pitching in NYS. He’s old but he doesn’t carry draft pick compensation and I bet he takes a 1 year deal, 2 at very most.

    CC/Tanaka/Nova/Hudson — Pineda/Phelps/Warren/etc would likely be pretty solid.

  108. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    “I haven’t been here for awhile but in the past there would have been a sh!tstorm here re: the rehiring of the entire staff.”

    meh I think folks realize that the coaching staff couldn’t work miracles and that the primary issue was bad players.

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  110. bigdan22 November 8th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    “Now, remember, that’s compared to the “who the heck is that” or “are you kidding me” responses from prior years….”

    I get that 222. But I’m not sure that should be the standard of success! Well I guess baby steps. . . .

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    bigdan… agreed. It was refreshing nonetheless.

  112. bigdan22 November 8th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    I’ve always liked Hudson. Seems like a real tough competitor. The Yanks need to bring in a couple guys like that next year and hope they hit on one. Wouldn’t mind Colon back either. Where’s Pedro?

  113. mick November 8th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Wouldn’t the resigning of Cano be crucial in obtaining any new FA’s?
    Can’t see how it wouldn’t…

  114. Cashmoney November 8th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    yanks could afford to draft someone’s grandma and not suffer much of consequences due to their FA and IFA effort in the past. but landscape has changed, And baseball landscape like any another dynamic entity is always changing. it’s like Cashman said 8 years ago pitching is the key to kingdom, he was right , except he and his croonies can’t development or identify the right ones that along with some injuries as well. then roid era was over, all of sudden the supply and demand pendulum swung in balance of both. yet the clown still puzzle over why offensive pieces are suddenly in dirge of supply. assessment, adaptiability and having creative mind to tackle the everchanging planes of baseball is what this team fo is clearly lacking, so far i seen zero changes in addressing that, this starts from top down.

  115. bigdan22 November 8th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    I’m pretty certain Cano is coming back. Probably at 8/200 or something close to that like Blake said. Don’t like that deal but who knows. Maybe he’ll age like Jeter. We’d all sign up for that.

  116. blake November 8th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    wanzies ,

    agree…..it does some like the Yankees have talented guys but they all have warts of some kind…..whether it be health or something else. I think you need a very strong development team to keep those high risk guys to reach their potential and maybe that’s where they are lacking.

  117. blake November 8th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    have read and Boston and Hudson have mutual interest…..wouldn’t shock me. Huddy is awesome but the Braves might let him go due to the injury and their budget……

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  119. mick November 8th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    It’s ironic that if they spend on Cano , technically they then have that much less to spend on FA’s.
    But players that want to come here to win might be more attracted and have to take less b/c of Cano.

  120. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    blake – Personally, I think it’s as simple as taking the best player available. Drafting and developing players is such a crapshoot to begin with, to add further risk to the process simply increases the odds of a fail. I, for one, am a fan of drafting college players. The colleges as a whole, do a much better job of fine tuning mechanics and instilling expectations in their players. The HS kids come with more of an entitlement than those who have gone through the college process, in my experience anyway.

  121. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    blake – Boston is in the “in on everyone” phase of FA. They have about 30m to spend before the tax rate hits, so with a grain of salt….

  122. austinmac November 8th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    If Girardi did well, then so did his coaches. They are not the problem. As I heard on MLB radio this morning, it is a players’ game. Give them some players.

    Girardi’s back. So is the coaching staff. Jeter has his contract. The real work can now begin on Monday when QO time expires.

    I will be surprised if they exceed the cap, but I hope they see the downside very clearly. I bet season ticket sales are down, a precursor of losses ahead.

  123. austinmac November 8th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    I am already sick of hearing how the free agents want to go to Boston to win. Have they ever won two in a row?

  124. mick November 8th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    The HS kids come with more of an entitlement than those who have gone through the college process, in my experience anyway.
    =========================
    That makes sense as HS kids , in general, will 1st realize in college that there is so much more talent out there than they could have imagined.

  125. blake November 8th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    “I’m pretty certain Cano is coming back. Probably at 8/200 or something close to that like Blake said. Don’t like that deal but who knows. Maybe he’ll age like Jeter. We’d all sign up for that.”

    lets hope….if they could actually build a cheaper and more efficient team around him then his contract wouldn’t be a huge deal even if he did decline in the 2nd half of it because Arod and Tex would be gone

  126. joeman November 8th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    so I would have to say right now the NYY wish they didn’t have the ARod,CC&Tex contracts….and if it happens they will wish they didn’t have the Cano contract

  127. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    mick –

    The HS kids see SOME better talent at the showcase and Legion-ish tournaments, but nothing like the eye-opener that college life is. It’s a good weeding out process, IMO.

  128. wanzies222 November 8th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    joeman – They will get their wish.. in 2017. Until then, another 3-4 year fix. But… except for 3B and SS, they have a pretty projectable group that should be available about that time. And 3B may be okay by then. Still, I’d be looking for left side depth, were it up to me.

  129. mick November 8th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    wanzies

    When/if they make it to a MLB farm system then they get really open wide.
    There is a reason why we have the most WS rings and it’s not for our patience.
    There is a reason haters say we buy our championships.
    Most money, most rings…agree?

  130. blake November 8th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    “blake – Personally, I think it’s as simple as taking the best player available. Drafting and developing players is such a crapshoot to begin with, to add further risk to the process simply increases the odds of a fail. I, for one, am a fan of drafting college players. The colleges as a whole, do a much better job of fine tuning mechanics and instilling expectations in their players.”

    I think you know a lot more what you have with a college guy…..but the top college guys (the really talented ones” all get gobbled up in the top 10 picks usually. So the Yanks have taken flyers on talented high school guys trying to get that level of talent where they pick…….and obviously there is a lot more risk in a 18 year old kid who has faced high schoolers than a 21 year old college guy who has faced A ball or better pitching for the last 3 years.

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    With $$$ coming outta Every team’s ears, I believe the value of Draft Picks has dropped. Other than maybe the Top 5 Picks, a Draft Pick is nothing more than a lottery ticket. Teams have a Better and Quicker chance of fielding a winning team by simply using their $$$ and a winning environment, in order to attract bona fide MLB free agent talent. Too many of you guys look at the MLB Draft through NFL Glasses. The NFL salary cap makes ALL the difference.

  132. joeman November 8th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    I like a roster full of team players & most of you have been around long enough to know who I’m taking about, these guys are tough to find but they are out there…..they don’t have to be superstars just players that play a good all around game and get dirty…

  133. mick November 8th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    I don’t think those who want us to keep the pick are advocating for any one specific player in mind.

    They are stating a philosophy that should be built over the years to be plucked when needed, like last year.

    The problem is that the pick is a crap shoot and we have never had to worry about growing our own.

    We never heard from these people when we were a winning machine. Yet we still seem to have moved in a different direction in the last few years, like someone said, it’s just timing.

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