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Girardi finishes fourth in Manager of the Year voting

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 12, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi

Joe Girardi received a pair of second-place votes but ultimately finished fourth in this year’s American League Manager of the Year voting.

Cleveland manager Terry Francona won the award, barely edging Boston’s John Farrell. Pirates manager Clint Hurdle won in the National League.

Girardi finished fourth, getting two second-place votes and five third-place votes. The voters representing the Yankees beat — the great George King and the perfectly okay Andy McCullough — had vastly different ballots. King voted Farrell, Jim Leyland and Bob Melvin. McCullough voted Francona, Girardi and Farrell. The two Boston voters each had the exact same ballot, which included Girardi in third place. Girardi’s other second-place vote came from Sheldon Ocker in Cleveland.

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117 Responses to “Girardi finishes fourth in Manager of the Year voting”

  1. blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    How did Farrell not win?

    Glad Girardi was at least top 5…..he did a great job this year

  2. Chad Jennings November 12th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Jerkface November 12th, 2013 at 6:57 pm e

    Dave Duncan just got hired by the Dbacks as a special consultant, why did the Yankees not get this guy?

    Worth noting that Duncan lives in Tuscon. Probably has a lot to do with it.

  3. blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Happy for Tito though ….

  4. bigdan22 November 12th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    austinmac November 12th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
    Dan,

    “I keep waiting for a prospect to prosper. Instead they all seem to hit a ceiling.”

    Ain’t made of glass either. It’s made of concrete.

  5. joeman November 12th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Pat M. November 12th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    I’m not speaking for myself and this will rattle a few cages here but there’s quite a few evaluators who think Choo is going to be the most overpaid and over rated guy on the market this winter. Joeman, are you playing the Kentucky / Mich St. game ??? What about Duke laying 5 ???? I placed 50.00 on Kansas to win 90.00

    ———————————————————————–
    I did play Ken/Mich St…took Ken
    my best bet was Syr..hate laying the big #’s but this looks to good

  6. blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    I think to some degree we and the publications that cover this stuff get a little too excited when a Yankee prospect does well in the lower levels……because really until you do something in AA you aren’t a real prospect.

    That doesn’t mean we can’t be happy and excited when somebody does well at Charleston or Tampa…..but we need to perhaps curb expectations a bit and realize that a lot of guys do well in A ball and then fizzle as they climb the ladder.

  7. blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    “I’m not speaking for myself and this will rattle a few cages here but there’s quite a few evaluators who think Choo is going to be the most overpaid and over rated guy on the market this winter. ”

    You never know how things will play out but his history doesn’t suggest that…..he’s been pretty consistent as a player when healthy.

    Ellsbury is the guy Id say has the most risk of being a “bad contract”…..I like a lot about his game but he’s never been very durable and also he’s just not the type player he’s gonna be paid to be IMO……it’s Crawford 2.0……maybe he won’t be that bad but Crawford was never gonna live up to that contract because he simply wasn’t that good and he was almost 30…..same with Jacoby

  8. bigdan22 November 12th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    So let me see if I got this straight. the Yanks want to upgrade the offense at catcher, have made a “strong” offer to Cano, will be extremely aggressive in bidding for Tanaka, want to bring back Kuroda or otherwise want to make up for 200 lost innings in the rotation, and have identified Choo and Beltran as targets 1 and 1A (with Ellsbury right behind). Will do all this and stay under 189?

  9. blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Either they are bad at math…..they are being less than truthful with their interests…..or 189 is out.

  10. blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Of course they could sign anybody and upgrade offense at catcher and they could sign two pitchers off the scrap heap and say they’ll throw 400 innings……

  11. kd November 12th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    or they know something about arod that the rest of us don’t

    if he’s suspended for 211, he might be done

  12. bigdan22 November 12th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    “I think to some degree we and the publications that cover this stuff get a little too excited when a Yankee prospect does well in the lower levels……because really until you do something in AA you aren’t a real prospect.

    That doesn’t mean we can’t be happy and excited when somebody does well at Charleston or Tampa…..but we need to perhaps curb expectations a bit and realize that a lot of guys do well in A ball and then fizzle as they climb the ladder.”

    I keep trying to tell myself (and the blog) this but it still doesn’t stop me from getting pissed off when I see Williams take another 0 for 5 and I hear folks say Trout is the best young hitter since Teddy Ballgame.

  13. Pat M. November 12th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    blake. Crawford was an accident just waiting to happen in Beantown and I also think Ellsbury leaving Fenway will put to rest the injury concerns. The guy can play and I think he’s on the brink of being Johnny Damon with better Rawlings skills. The key is keeping his contract to 5 years. You hear talk about Jacoby being linked to Seattle or even Cleveland, but The Giants will be looking over his sticker price in a week or two

  14. blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    “I keep trying to tell myself (and the blog) this but it still doesn’t stop me from getting pissed off when I see Williams take another 0 for 5 and I hear folks say Trout is the best young hitter since Teddy Ballgame.”

    Yea it’s frustrating….

  15. bigdan22 November 12th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    My mistake, they are looking for 400 innings to fill in. That should pretty easy to find.

  16. blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Pat M,
    I think it’ll greatly depend on where he goes…..I like jacobys skill set ….always have but he just seems like one of those guys to me that never has been able to put it all together and sustain it……maybe he will now but his history doesn’t suggest it.

  17. blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    bigdan22 says:
    November 12, 2013 at 7:32 pm
    My mistake, they are looking for 400 innings to fill in. That should pretty easy to find.

    Hey they can find the innings…..the quality of the innings though…….

  18. joeman November 12th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    got Ken +4 & Syr – 19

  19. austinmac November 12th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    It is not to much to ask for the minor leagues to produce position players that are at least league average. Gardner, five years ago the most recent?

  20. austinmac November 12th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    –too much–

  21. blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    austinmac says:
    November 12, 2013 at 7:43 pm
    It is not to much to ask for the minor leagues to produce position players that are at least league average. Gardner, five years ago the most recent?

    Hey at least we develop pitchers! Well relievers anyway

  22. comet November 12th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Why not sign Beltre for third base?

  23. bigdan22 November 12th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    “Hey they can find the innings…..the quality of the innings though…….”

    Depends how you define quality. What would it reasonably cost to go out to the free agent market to buy 400 league average innings? $20MM? $30MM?. And even if you are just going to the scrap heap, you might have to sign 6 guys and still not get that.

    The point is the numbers just don’t work. You can’t fix the pitching and fill even a few of the offensive holes and put a respectable (85 win) team on the field and stay under 189. Not without Arod being suspended for the whole year. And there’s no reasonable way to count on that.

  24. Pat M. November 12th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    joeman. I found a broker who only wanted 3 from me so I have The Spartans and UCLA spotting Oakland 14.

  25. blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    comet says:
    November 12, 2013 at 7:49 pm
    Why not sign Beltre for third base?

    He’s under contract with Texas

  26. blake November 12th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    “The point is the numbers just don’t work. You can’t fix the pitching and fill even a few of the offensive holes and put a respectable (85 win) team on the field and stay under 189. Not without Arod being suspended for the whole year. And there’s no reasonable way to count on that.”

    Oh I agree…..I was just saying they might can do it but the team might be garbage

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 12th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    If the Yanks go over 189, I would like a dollar from everyone here who continued to say they wouldn’t – since I started to quote Hank saying the 189 wasn’t etched in stone, a long time ago

    I, on the other hand, will send a Ritter Sports Bar to everyone who everyone to who took a hard-ass line, insisting that the they couldn’t be trusted and weren’t going to go over the 189. You potentially make out better since the Ritter Sports Bars cost considerably more than $1.

    :)

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 12th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Congrats to Joe Girardi, and I am SOOOOOO happy that Tito won and Farrell didn’t. I think what edged Farrell out was the tacit understanding throughout baseball that he had juicers in his ranks with both his pitchers and hitters.

    But here’s my question – why would anybody even vote for Girardi? After all, some here know much better that the team’s problems had nothing to do with injuries. It was all because they were old and from the scrap heap. And that was the team’s choice. So they shouldn’t have bothered voting for Girardi at all.

    Oh wait…there was a tacit understanding throughout baseball that the Yankees were riddled with injuries and in spite of that, came close to making the postseason.

    Good job Joe!!!

  29. blake November 12th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    @JeffPassan: With A-Rod, the Yankees have ~$55.5M to spend. Without him, it’s more than $80M. A suspension could make/break $189M: http://t.co/2pIvWJTxr9

  30. chicken_stanley November 12th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    sort of a perverse thought but a shorter suspension for Arod might make the Yankees more likely to blow through the 189 than if he misses the entire season.

  31. bigdan22 November 12th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    blake November 12th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    @JeffPassan: With A-Rod, the Yankees have ~$55.5M to spend. Without him, it’s more than $80M. A suspension could make/break $189M: http://t.co/2pIvWJTxr9

    A much more knowledgeable article than most about recent Yankee history and the challenges ahead. Still about $15MM difference from the RAB calculations. Don’t think Passan accounted for Jeter’s bonuses. And it really doesn’t explain how money for three major FA signings can fill two rotation spots, 2b, 3b, catcher, DH, RF and the bullpen.

    Which may lead of course to the conclusion that 189 requires a full year suspension for Arod. Didn’t see that in the article.

  32. MTU November 12th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Pretty quiet in here tonight.

    Just got back from my trip.

    Did I miss anything important ?

  33. chicken_stanley November 12th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    MTU – the most important thing you missed were the “chicken alerts” :D

    Hope you had a good time

  34. MTU November 12th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    Chicken-

    Sorry to leave you in the lurch.

    But I’m confident you’ve got the hang of it by now.

    Yes. Excellent time. Thanks.

  35. chicken_stanley November 12th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    MTU – no lurch… just teasing.

    Glad you had a good time and glad to see you back safe

  36. chicken_stanley November 12th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Blake/Tar – if you’re out there… I thought UVAs game against VCU was on Thursday but just tuned in to see UVA choking the game away. I hate when the wind gets knocked out of your sails only 2 games into the season!!!

  37. Tar November 12th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Just got here Chicken….Yikes

  38. chicken_stanley November 12th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    OK – UVA just finished their monumental choke job… that, combined with The Viking’s ineptitude and the Yankees not making the playoffs have me considering the possibilities. Maybe I need to stop following sports and find a hobby which is much more calm and relaxing. I’m thinking either day trading or washing windows on skyscrapers.

  39. MTU November 12th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    New one ——>

  40. Lurker Number Four November 13th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    “I think what edged Farrell out was the tacit understanding throughout baseball that he had juicers in his ranks with both his pitchers and hitters.”

    This must be why Cherington was named executive of the year by his peers. Because of that tacit understanding.

    And by that logic, what kind of understanding–tacit or otherwise–enabled Girardi to place fourth in MOY voting? Considering the very public and at times circus-like cloud of PED-usage hanging over the Yankees this year (as opposed to desperate wishcasting from rival fans), shouldn’t that have eliminated Girardi altogether?

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