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An All-Yankees Cy Young ballot

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 13, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Hiroki Kuroda

Up next in this week of BBWAA awards is tonight’s announcement of the American League and National League Cy Young winners. We already know that no Yankees finished in the top three, but I suppose there’s some chance Hiroki Kuroda got a bottom-of-the-ballot vote or two. Cy Young voters are asked to rank their top five candidates, so we’ll try to do the same with an All-Yankees Cy Young ballot.

1. Hiroki Kuroda
I gave some thought to moving Kuroda into the No. 2 spot based on his rough finish, but he ultimately had the rotation’s lowest WHIP, lowest walk rate, second-best ERA (behind Nova) and second-most innings (behind Sabathia). He was shockingly bad in the final two months — 5.40 ERA, opponents hit .296/.341/.496 against him — but he was so good in the four months before that, that his season still stands out as the best of the bunch. From April through July, Kuroda pitched 139.2 innings with a 2.38 ERA. That’s a larger workload than Nova’s entire season, and with much better results. He was incredible until the end.

2. Ivan Nova
So bad in April that he was shipped to Triple-A — first he was hurt, then he was activated, then he was demoted — Nova returned in mid-June and became the Yankees best starter late in the year. From June 23 through the end of the season, Nova went 10-7 with a 2.70 ERA. Notoriously inconsistent through his first three big league seasons, Nova’s strong second half was yet another extended stretch that built some hope that he might eventually carry those results through an entire season. It likely assured him a spot in next year’s rotation.

3. Mariano Rivera
The Yankees closer and setup man had fairly similar seasons, really. More strikeouts (and also more walks) in the eighth inning, but ultimately very similar workload, WHIP and ERA for both Rivera and Robertson. In these rankings, Rivera will get the nod for once again taking on the high-pressure job of closer and delivering one final season of consistency. Sure, there were moments along the way when Rivera was beatable, but he was able to increase his workload down the stretch when the Yankees were still clinging to some hope of a playoff berth. Bonus points for delivering the year’s most memorable moment with his emotional Yankee Stadium farewell.

4. Dave Robertson
Best ERA+ and lowest WHIP on the team, Robertson continued his year-by-year trend of cutting down on his walk rate and delivered a season that was — in a few ways — better than his breakout 2011. His WHIP and strikeout-to-walk ratio were better in 2013 than they’d ever been, and he came one out away from matching his largest workload. His strikeout rate dipped to a still-excellent 10.4 K/9, but he also reduced his walks to 18 (almost half of his 2011 total). In perhaps his final year in the eighth inning, Robertson was again one of baseball’s best setup relievers.

5. Boone Logan
One of the more underrated Yankees of the past four years, Logan’s New York tenure likely came to an end this season with career-bests in WHIP (1.18) and strikeout-to-walk ratio (3.85). Ultimately, his four years since being acquired in a late-2009 trade were pretty strong and pretty steady; often as the only lefty in the pen. This season, Shawn Kelley’s made a big impression with his big strikeout totals, but Kelley’s 12.0 strikeouts-per-nine-innings was not significantly better than Logan’s 11.5 K/9. Pitching with an elbow issue most of the year, Logan was once again underrated and effective.

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163 Responses to “An All-Yankees Cy Young ballot”

  1. blake November 13th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    When Boone Logan is 5th on a teams Cy young ballot then you have problems.

  2. bigdan22 November 13th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Repost:

    Wave Your Hat November 13th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    “The Yanks don’t have the offense to carry Brendan Ryan, IMO.”

    Looks like a victory for Team Cheap to me. I’d say Peralta is out for the time being at least. At least until they know Arod is suspended. Just don’t see them carrying Jeter, Nunez, Ryan and Peralta, and I don’t see them getting rid of Nunez. Looking now like Nunez is your third baseman.

  3. bigdan22 November 13th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Repost:

    pkyankfan69 November 13th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
    “If we do get Tanaka we’d have

    CC – Nova – Tanaka – ??? – Pineda/Phelps/Warren/Nuno

    I’d be comfortable with 1 spot going to Pinda/Phelps/Warren/Nuno but not 2.

    For that last spot I still hope we get Kuroda.

    If not Kuroda, Tim Hudson would be a nice get.. Sinker baller in NYS is a good fit.

    If not Kuroda/Hudson… We fall into the Kazmir/Feldman/Johnson/Arroyo/Maholm.

    I don’t see the Yanks making a second long term startng pitcher commitment to a Garza/Santana type… Don’t think either of those guys will be worth the money they will get…Ubaldo is also way too up and down for my liking, I would also avoid him.”

    I agree with all of this. Intrigued by Kazmir.

    But what if the Yanks don’t get Tanka? Or worse, don’t get Tanka or Kuroda? I think there’s at least a 50% chance of that happening.

  4. tucker November 13th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    A bigger problem may be that CC is not on that list.

  5. blake November 13th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    “A bigger problem may be that CC is not on that list.”

    yes that’s the biggest problem….if they don’t get him straightened out it’ll be hard to contend in 2014 no matter what.

  6. MTU November 13th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    CC is likely going to have to do some adjusting.

    Not sure if his velocity will ever come back.

    I’d hope so but there is room for doubt.

    AP made the necessary adjustments when his velo declined.

    CC will sit low 90′s. With his polished 2ndary offerings he should be fine.

    He will have to learn to spot the ball better and mix it up more is all.

    :)

  7. Wave Your Hat November 13th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Maybe CC just had an off year.

  8. blake November 13th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 3m
    Also in story, Hal Steinbrenner is said to have let Jeter know they may sign SS. NYY interested in Drew, may also keep ryan

    as I said…..they should have talked to Jeter about this in their contract talks and apparently they did. I know everyone thinks Jeter calls the shots here but he doesn’t and he has to realize that maybe he can’t play SS anymore……he’s been awesome there for years….no shame in having to move.

  9. blake November 13th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 8m
    Hal Steinbrenner and yankees meet with the agents for Beltran, Choo, Ellsbury, Drew and McCann. http://cbsprt.co/1coOdQe

  10. Bret The Hitman November 13th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    It’s sounding more and more like they will sign 2 OF.

  11. MTU November 13th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Drew would be a terrible mistake IMO.

    He doesn’t hit all that well and he is very overpriced.

    He’ll cost more than 10 Mil.

    He isn’t that kind of player.

    And he also costs you a draft pick.

    That money would better allocated elsewhere.

    No thanks.

  12. MTU November 13th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Just sign Ryan as the BU SS.

    Or go for it and get someone really young and good, i.e. Castro, Andrus.

    Even Peralta makes more sense than Drew.

  13. blake November 13th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    you only sign Drew if you’ve already lost the draft pick to sign somebody else…..I don’t think they’d lose it just to sign him.

  14. MTU November 13th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Blake-

    He is not worth the money he will command.

    Not even close.

  15. blake November 13th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    maybe the spirit of George has inhabited Hal and he’s going to sign Cano, Choo, Beltran, McCann, Tanaka, Garza, Drew, Nathan, and Balfour!

    Or maybe this is just Hal trolling everybody into thinking they are going to spend money

  16. MTU November 13th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Sorry. I’m out.

    Errands to run.

    Back later.

  17. pkyankfan69 November 13th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    But what if the Yanks don’t get Tanka? Or worse, don’t get Tanka or Kuroda? I think there’s at least a 50% chance of that happening.
    ————
    No idea what they do with out Tanaka… Hopefully the posting stuff gets figured out soon so we will know how to proceed… We better get him.

  18. mick November 13th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Mark Feinsand ? @FeinsandNYDN

    Source: Yankees talking about a trade for Cardinals 3B David Freese. Story to follow soon.

  19. mick November 13th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    CC is starting to look like the Unit:

    Heading to #KCABlackBall celebrating 10yrs @aliciakeys @keepachildalive providing love to those affected by HIV pic.twitter.com/I97OEdGAkp
    Retweeted by CC Sabathia
    View image on Twitter

  20. blake November 13th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    MTU,
    it depends on if he stays healthy or not…..Drew was a 3.4 fWAR player last year and the previous other season that he was healthy all year he posted a 4.7 fWAR. That’s pretty darn good and like 4 or 5 wins better than Nunez. Fangraphs had him worth over 16 million dollars in value last year…..hes a really good defender that can hit a little when healthy.

  21. blake November 13th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    I’d trade Phelps for Freese…..not Nova or any of their best prospects. I like Freese….I’m just not 100% sure what he is.

  22. blake November 13th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Phelps is from St. Louis or there abouts…..

  23. blake November 13th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    if we get Freese can it be the 2012 model and not the 2013 one please

  24. mick November 13th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    We will get fleeced for Freese, a minor league pitcher that will hurt.
    If they are getting rid of Freese, they know something is wrong with him.

  25. mick November 13th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    No to Drew.

  26. blake November 13th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Freese was a 4 WAR player in 2012……and a 0.3 one in 2013. Which one is he? Probably somewhere in the middle….

  27. mick November 13th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    2012 was eons ago…The Cards know who they’re getting rid of, like Pujols.

  28. mick November 13th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Yanks like Freese b/c he will come cheap.

  29. Patrick November 13th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Freese would be a decent bench player I guess? Cashman said he needs to pick up pitchers to fill about 400 innings so I doubt he would be too eager to get rid of Phelps at this point.

  30. Russell Munson November 13th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Sounds like the Yankees want to load up on clutch postseason players like Freese and Beltran. Won’t do much good if they don’t make it there first.

  31. pkyankfan69 November 13th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Freese sounds alright but I am nervous about Cashman trading with the Cards… I smell a fleecing in the making… I’d be nervous about giving the Cards any prospects they want, even if we don’t think much of them. They probably have a better handle on our minor league talent then we do.

  32. joeman November 13th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News reports that the Yankees are talking to the Cardinals about a trade for third baseman David Freese.
    ——————————-
    now there is something that gets my approval…

  33. jackamir November 13th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Sell high on Gardner and move him now !!!! He has value now and his shipped has sailed with the Yanks..

  34. mick November 13th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    you know the cards would develop a depaula, jram or campos better than we would but thats too much for freese. even phelps or warren is.

    if they’re so good at it, give them a lower level pitcher.
    they know freese is done.

  35. mick November 13th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    feinsand is tweeting every 5 mins about a freese trade.
    is it just for attention?

  36. tomingeorgia November 13th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    This is the time of year you guys start to sound like the auctioneer at the Wednesday Livestock Sale (I went today, really good burgers).

  37. blake November 13th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    I think Freese would be more than a bench player for this team…..I don’t know exactly what he is but he’s better than Nix and he’s better than Nunez. He was a 4 WAR player in 2012……

  38. joeman November 13th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    jackamir November 13th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
    Sell high on Gardner and move him now !!!! He has value now and his shipped has sailed with the Yanks..

    —————————–
    music to my ears

  39. austinmac November 13th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    If ther Yankees trade for Freese, then MTU gets an assist in pushing for it. Of course, if it happens and he stinks, we will remember that too. :)

  40. Hankflorida November 13th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    MTU November 13th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    CC is likely going to have to do some adjusting.
    Not sure if his velocity will ever come back.
    I’d hope so but there is room for doubt.
    AP made the necessary adjustments when his velo declined.
    CC will sit low 90?s. With his polished 2ndary offerings he should be fine.
    He will have to learn to spot the ball better and mix it up more is all.

    I agree with you as the Yankees have alway won with finesse pitchers and a long ball offense. Marius Russo, Whitey Ford, Eddie Lopat and for you younger fans, Jimmy Key and Andy are perfect examples of left handed pitchers who knew how to pitch in the Stadium. The only problem is that Hal’s offense may look more like the team that plays in Queens then was once known as “The Bronx Bombers.”

  41. Chambliss November 13th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Freese is a solid player, but he was god awful in the 2013 World Series. Maybe he was hurt or something, but he was terrible.

    Maybe the Cardinals will take A-Rod in exchange?? :)

  42. UnKnown November 13th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Randy Levine on Cano: “I think it’s going to be about the money.” :shock:

    I mean I wouldn’t have ever predicted that or anything. :grin:

  43. charlestonchew November 13th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Jackamir — what are you talking about? Gardner is going to continue to perform at a similar level for a few more years. It’s in the Yankees best interests to sign him to a 3-4 year extension at a team-friendly price. His skill set isn’t the kind that suddenly declines. He’s a plus defender, plus baserunner, and has above average plate discipline. He’s also clutch and gets key hits in high leverage situations. And he costs very little.

    Getting rid of Gardner at this point would be insane, unless the return was significant.

  44. bigdan22 November 13th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    All this talk about Jeter, Hal and Drew was getting me thinking that maybe they actually were considering moving Jeter to third after all, a move I suggested over a year ago. The questions concerning Jeter’s and Arod’s health led me to believe that move made a lot of sense LAST off season. Even more sense now. But if they are trading for Freese, that’s not going to happen. You what the saddest thing is? With Freese, Ryan and Jeter, where will Nunie play!!!

  45. mick November 13th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    mets just announced they will have friday tee shirt giveaways and music on sats.
    huey lewis and boys 2 men (for shame)…washed up groups.
    yanks did this in the 80′s, saw the beach boys there once.

  46. mick November 13th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    guess they wont be making any player moves…

  47. bigdan22 November 13th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Freese/Ryan would also knock out Peralta in my view.

  48. mick November 13th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Hal will jump on anything that comes cheaply.

  49. spidanyc November 13th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Cardinals are the the best run Organization in baseball, so with that said, if a Freese trade does indeed go down, I’m expecting a top 5 Yankees prospect going to St Louis, not named Gary Sanchez.

  50. joeman November 13th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    compare Scott Brosius to David Freese at age 30 right before he came to the NYY…

  51. austinmac November 13th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Freese is okay depending upon what we give up. Ryan, not so much to me. He is as bad a hitter as there is.

    At least they are trying this year it seems. MLBTR reports the Rangers are making a stong McCann push. If we can expect Ryan to play a lot, we have to add real offense other places. NL teams had better 8-9 hitters than the Yankees with Stewart and Ryan.

  52. Mike in Harrisburg November 13th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    I am astonishingly unexcited at the prospect of acquiring Freese. And at 31 I’m not sure it’s really any kind of “buy low” situation. He was never truly exceptional to begin with. .293/20/79 /.372 /.467 was likely his career year in 2012.

    It would certainly reinforce the need to keep Cano. More and more spots in the lineup occupied by non-power threats.

  53. joeman November 13th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    austinmac November 13th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
    Freese is okay depending upon what we give up. Ryan, not so much to me. He is as bad a hitter as there is.

    ———————————-
    you can get away with a slick fielding no hit SS but the OF would have to be stronger

  54. Wave Your Hat November 13th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    I’m not sure how the Yanks match up in a trade for Freese. He’s not great, but I think the Cards could get more for him than the Yanks have or would be willing to offer.

  55. Wave Your Hat November 13th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    “you can get away with a slick fielding no hit SS”

    You could if the rest of the offense scores runs, which isn’t a given with the Yanks.

  56. blake November 13th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    “You what the saddest thing is? With Freese, Ryan and Jeter, where will Nunie play!!!”

    for the Cardinals! nah….

  57. blake November 13th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    “I am astonishingly unexcited at the prospect of acquiring Freese. And at 31 I’m not sure it’s really any kind of “buy low” situation. He was never truly exceptional to begin with. .293/20/79 /.372 /.467 was likely his career year in 2012.”

    he’s no star but he was well above average in 2012…..and he wasn’t bad in 2011 either.

    He’s certainly better than what they have at 3B now if they aren’t considering moving Jeter there…..the price tag is the question though.

  58. joeman November 13th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    OK I’ll say it

    David Freese = Scott Brosius

  59. blake November 13th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    “I’m not sure how the Yanks match up in a trade for Freese. He’s not great, but I think the Cards could get more for him than the Yanks have or would be willing to offer.”

    I don’t see a match really either unless the Cards are trying to get Sanchez or Heathcott or somebody like that……they don’t need pitching and they really need a SS…..

  60. Patrick November 13th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN 2m
    Brian Wilson’s agent told Brian Cashman that Wilson won’t shave his beard. “Cross him off the list,” Cashman said.

    Hahaha

  61. blake November 13th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN 3m
    Brian Wilson’s agent told Brian Cashman that Wilson won’t shave his beard. “Cross him off the list,” Cashman said.

  62. blake November 13th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    I don’t really want them to spend any money on relievers until the important stuff is done……keep your beard Brian Wilson.

  63. chicken little November 13th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    The Freese-Brosius comparison is a good one. Lets remember though, Brosius consistently was the #7-9 hitter in a very deep lineup. With the roster as it is now, Freese probably bats 5th. (Gardner, Jeter, Tex, Soriano, Freese).

  64. joeman November 13th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal reports that the Orioles are willing to trade Matt Wieters.
    —————————————-
    OK what can we give them for him

  65. Patrick November 13th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    If Freese = Brosius the Cardinals can keep him. Brosius had two legitimately good years, the rest of the time he was basically a 0-1 WAR player.

  66. blake November 13th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    the Orioles wouldn’t trade with the Yankees.

  67. Mike in Harrisburg November 13th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    His career averages would have made him roundabout a top 5 third baseman in the AL last year for offense.

    I guess the big gamble is whether he is a “change of scenery” case or simply beginning his decline.

  68. Patrick November 13th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    OK what can we give them for him

    Trade for Wieters, giving up top prospects in the process and also probably a huge extension or just sign McCann? I’d rather go with McCann.

    Yeah McCann is 2 years older but he’s also a better player and won’t cost any prospects to get.

  69. Wave Your Hat November 13th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    The Yanks need a 3B who can also play short, which Freese doesn’t. I say pass.

  70. Against All Odds November 13th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    OK what can we give them for him

    ————————

    You mean after they move the Os or Yanks from the AL East ;)

  71. blake November 13th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Peralta makes more sense than Freese really and you don’t have to trade for him…..because he can play SS

  72. Russell Munson November 13th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Is Freese any better than Mark Reynolds even? They’re the same age, and neither is a good defender. The benefit to Reynolds is he’ll only cost you money.

  73. joeman November 13th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Russell Munson November 13th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
    Is Freese any better than Mark Reynolds even? They’re the same age, and neither is a good defender. The benefit to Reynolds is he’ll only cost you money.
    ——————————–
    Reynolds K’s every 2.1 AB’s

  74. MTU November 13th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Mac-

    It depends on what it takes to get Freese.

    I like him as bounce back candidate.

    He’s being bought on the cheap.

    The Cards are going to move Carpenter to 3rd and install Kolten Wong at 2nd.

    Freese is superfluous to them.

    I’d certainly give up Heathcott or Flores for him.

    We have redundancy amongst our OF prospects.

  75. joeman November 13th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    people that don’t want Freese here are the same people who were kissing Youkilis butt when he got here and them giving him 12 mil to play 3rd after missing a total of 3 full seasons in the last 6 years…..come on Youk hit the ball over the fence…….

  76. pkyankfan69 November 13th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    I’d rather have Freese man 3B than Nuney but Id rather Peralta than Freese.

  77. MTU November 13th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    New one ——>

  78. bigdan22 November 13th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    pkyankfan69 November 13th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    “I’d rather have Freese man 3B than Nuney but Id rather Peralta than Freese.”

    blake November 13th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    “Peralta makes more sense than Freese really and you don’t have to trade for him…..because he can play SS”

    I agree but I think this is the “Team Cheap” approach. Freese and Ryan probably costs you $5MM less than Peralta. And if Freese doesn’t work out, you can non-tender him next year. Sounds like a money move to me. The only real downside there is the loss of Nunie :)

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