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Random thoughts on a random Saturday

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 16, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The GM Meetings are over, the Winter Meetings are three weeks away, and the offseason is in that awkward adolescent phase. It’s too old to be considered cute, and at this point, it’s hard to get too excited about every little thing it does. At this point, we’re just waiting to see what kind of offseason it grows up to be. Did I take that analogy too far? Was it a bad idea from the very beginning? Let’s just move on to a few random thoughts…

Derek Jeter• Speaking of awkward, the Derek Jeter situation could be heading that direction. Hal Steinbrenner gave him a $12-million deal to avoid an awkward negotiation, but that doesn’t mean an uncomfortable spring training is off the table. It’s true, you can’t count out a guy like Jeter — I think there’s honestly a chance that he shows up in February health and strong enough to play his brand of limited-but-mistake-free shortstop — but what if he can’t do it? The Yankees might have a backup plan in place, but at what point to the Yankees start teaching Jeter a new position? Can he spend the first three or four weeks trying to keep his shortstop job and still have enough time to become a viable third baseman or first baseman or right fielder or whatever it is? Is it shortstop or DH with no in between?

• Right now, Dave Robertson doesn’t know whether he’ll be the Yankees closer next season, and he’s surely gearing up to compete for the job. There are only two ways I can see that changing in the next three months: 1. If the Yankees don’t sign a single late-inning reliever, in which case the closer job is Robertson’s by default. 2. If the Yankees sign Joe Nathan, in which case Nathan is the automatic closer and Robertson is back to a setup role. I don’t think free agents like Grant Balfour, Joaquin Benoit and Fernando Rodney have enough of a track record to automatically get the job over Robertson without some sort of spring competition (on the surface, anyway), and I can’t see the Yankees giving up the necessary prospects to trade for a more-proven closer.

• I like Chris Stewart — more than most, it seems — but at this point, he seems like an overwhelming non-tender candidate. I still think Stewart is a perfectly good backup catcher, but there’s little sense in sending Austin Romine back to Triple-A in favor of keeping Stewart on the roster, and the Yankees can probably get a Stewart-type, defense-first catcher on a minor league deal to add depth. The Yankees have made it clear that Francisco Cervelli is going to be back, but it’s noticeable that the Yankees haven’t said the same about Stewart.

• Not my own random thought, but here’s Jorge Posada’s take on free agent Brian McCann: “I like him a lot. There’s concerns with his health last year, but a guy that plays 120 games behind the plate, that’s very durable. He’s been doing it for a while now, being able to catch that much. Being in the American League would help him being able to DH and take him off the legs a little bit. I think he would be a great signing.”

CC Sabathia• A lot of understandable attention being directed toward the Yankees potential free agent additions. We’re heard a lot about Robinson Cano, Carlos Beltran and Masahiro Tanaka this offseason, but two “additions” who could be just as important as any free agent signing are CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira. Every time I try to look ahead at what the Yankees have and what they need, those two names always stand out. The top of the rotation and the middle of the order are going to hinge heavily on those two becoming impact players again. Teixeira doesn’t have to be an MVP candidate, and Sabathia doesn’t have to be a Cy Young winner, but they need to be productive.

• Andy McCullough mentioned yesterday that the Yankees have shown some interest in left-handed reliever Javier Lopez. Boone Logan isn’t an easy piece to replace. I know he wasn’t the most popular player, but I think that’s usually true of middle relievers (a group that’s prone to significant ups and downs, with the downs being especially costly). But ultimately, he’s been a pretty steady presence for the past four years, giving the Yankees a lefty who’s not totally lost against right-handers. That’s not nothing.

• Young players who will be interesting to watch in spring training: Dellin Betances and Michael Pineda of course, but I also wonder if Jose Ramirez, Adonis Garcia and Chase Whitley could play their way into some sort of roster consideration. Ramirez strikes me as the kind of guy who could break into the big leagues as a reliever — big fastball, a good offspeed pitch — and Whitley is a big guy who’s had Triple-A success and could be a sort of long/short relief hybrid, able to eat innings when necessary, but with the potential to pitch well enough to become a trusted sixth or seventh inning option. As for Garcia, he stands out only because Melky Mesa is gone, Zoilo Almonte and Ronnier Mustelier are hardly sure things, and Slade Heathcott probably isn’t ready to be pushed into the big leagues. I don’t think Garcia can break camp with the big league team, but I think he could play his way into being a mid-season call-up to play a bench role at some point.

Robinson Cano• If the Yankees sign Carlos Beltran, where do you think he would fit in the order? Would he take the No. 2 spot ahead of Cano (assuming Cano is back)? That would leave a string of Beltran, Cano, Teixeira and Soriano, which seems pretty potent, and would potentially move Brett Gardner back to the No. 9 spot so that Jeter could hit leadoff. Similar question with Shin-Soo Choo. He’d have to be the leadoff guy, right? Choo, then Jeter, then Cano? Again, assuming Cano is back.

• Doesn’t every expectation for next year have to begin with, assuming Cano is back? I’m not saying it’s a sure thing, but to begin imagining the scenarios without Cano involves guesswork all over the place. Nearly every position would suddenly become up for grabs, with all sorts of combinations entirely possible. Discussing a Yankees team without Cano isn’t so much about expectations, it’s about possibilities.

• What do you think Alex Rodriguez is doing and thinking at this very moment? Is he thinking that the appeal process is playing out in his favor? Does he think it’s been a complete disaster? Is he listening to handlers who are giving him advice on what to do or say next? Is he stuck in bed recovering from his “flu-like symptoms?” Has he considered calling off the offensive, or possibly turning it up another notch with a new lawsuit or public statement? Is he worried? Is he excited? Is he desperate? Is he satisfied? Does he fully realize or care just how much his uncertain status impacts the Yankees this winter?

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300 Responses to “Random thoughts on a random Saturday”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Chad, you do an amazing job. That’s indeed a comprehensive compendium of our current-day realities and questions. Not bad for random thoughts!

  2. joeman November 16th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    well they have a lot of work to do so I’m saying lets get busy….nothing can be done about jeter right now will have to let that play out…right now he’s the SS

  3. mick November 16th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    •” What do you think Alex Rodriguez is doing and thinking at this very moment?”
    =====================
    Dinner for one?

  4. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    “What do you think Alex Rodriguez is doing and thinking at this very moment?”

    Who cares.

    ;)

  5. mick November 16th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    • “What do you think Alex Rodriguez is doing and thinking at this very moment?”

    http://vimeo.com/77336211

  6. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Excellent summary Chad.

    Thanks.

  7. joeman November 16th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    “What do you think Alex Rodriguez is doing and thinking at this very moment?”

    ————————————————–
    PEDs

  8. austinmac November 16th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    The slow moving free agency so far is a good thing for the don’t know what we have to spend Yankees.

    I am pulling for McCann, Choo or Beltran, Cano and insurance on the left side that has an OPS over .600. Then, two starters and the lefty the team has talked to. That team can be competitive. Anything less won’t be.

  9. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Mac-

    Then you are hoping that 189 is just a bad dream.

    ;)

  10. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Good morning everyone.

    Chad- good summation.

    ARod- I’m on the who cares bandwagon.

    If all the Yankee decisions are going to wait until they clearly know if they can bring back Cano, and if he signs a 27M AAV or whatever contract, are they then waiting to see if they can nab Tanaka, whose delay in posting is affecting the other good FA starting pitchers who might interest those teams in the Tanaka sweepstakes?

    If it’s Cano and Tanaka in that order, will the Choo’s and McCann’s and Beltran’s still be available?

  11. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    “Does he fully realize or care just how much his uncertain status impacts the Yankees this winter?”

    I bet he does care because he wants to win. I bet he doesn’t care because certain elements in the Yankee front office deserve to be uncomfortable.

    But really this was taken out of his hands with the 211 games “witch hunt” number. Did they really think he was just going to roll over?

    http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/st.....ources-say

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    “What do you think Alex Rodriguez is doing and thinking at this very moment?”

    Conspiring with Loria to purchase the city of Miami and become his new partner once Selig is out of baseball.

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Arod doesn’t give a rat’s ass about winning. All he cares about is his $$$$$.

  14. joeman November 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    my opinion that 189 means nothing..all BS

  15. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Morning YT.

    Good to see you posting again.

    “If it’s Cano and Tanaka in that order, will the Choo’s and McCann’s and Beltran’s still be available?”

    Perhaps not.

    You forgot to include the possibility of them waiting out A-rod’s decision too.

    :(

  16. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Joeman-

    Hope you are right because that will make things much easier.

    ;)

  17. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Tar-

    Good morning. I’m not an attorney but why couldn’t the documents in question be made available to both MLB investigators and the Florida Department of Health investigators? Is there really impropriety in this case?

  18. austinmac November 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    MTU,

    Yes, I would like to have an enjoyable season of baseball. Going under $189 prevents that in my opinion.

    That said, I think we are all going to be very disappointed. More cheap fill ins in what I truly expect to go with Cano and one other bigger addition. That is far from sufficient.

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Yes, and certain elements in the front office deserve to be uncomfortable because they’ve treated Arod so poorly. This model citizen and class act baseball player, who has done everything in his power to add nothing but respect to the New York Yankees, I hope he really sticks it to that awful front office.

    :roll:

    I can’t even believe I’m reading this stuff.

    Tar – you have the right to your feelings and opinions. But you seem to be all over the board with this. First it’s because you want MLB to admit its complicity, not that you feel sorry for Arod. Now it’s that certain elements in the front office deserve to be uncomfortable.

    Apparently MLB feels that with the evidence they have, 211 games was not unreasonable. And just maybe it isn’t. Time will tell.

    But what’s the real story here? Remove all the smoke and mirrors. Is it that you just flat-out like and admire Arod and want nothing more than for him to be back at 3B? If so, you wouldn’t be totally alone.

    What’s your real agenda, for lack of a better word?

  20. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    “Arod doesn’t give a rat’s ass about winning. All he cares about is his $$$$$.”

    So much hate is not healthy. I prescribe some mediation or yoga or even a prayer class to find some inner peace.

  21. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Mac-

    Cano and Tanaka would be steps in the right direction.

    If that is all they would be insufficient as you suggested.

  22. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Trish

    Randy Levine deserves to feel uncomfortable.

  23. jmills November 16th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    I’m just an outsider whose kid’s cat was named, Camus, but I’d be actively growing short while viewing Jeter a little circa Yount moving to the outfield or something.

  24. pat November 16th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Chad wrote a post that mentioned over 20 players and the player many of you say you are most sick of hearing/talking about is the most commented on?

  25. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    haha slip *meditation.

    No agenda, I just follow my own beliefs and convictions.

  26. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Boone Logan and Mike Stanton were the only two good pitchers the Yankees got, that were Braves the year before. Can you think of any others in the last 20 years? I can’t. Remember Wright, Chris Hammonds, Farnsworth.

  27. pat November 16th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    I think the Derek situation is going to get ugly at some point but we will never see how ugly until he retires and self publishes his autobiography from Jeter Publishing a division of Simon and Schuster.

  28. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    And I have not been “all over the board” at all.

    MLB on the other hand……

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Trader, sounds like sharing was unnecessary.

    “Florida Department of Health spokesman Nathan Dunn refused to answer questions and declined to comment to “Outside the Lines” on multiple occasions in recent weeks but issued a statement Friday evening, several hours after ESPN.com published this story: “The Florida Department of Health was able to complete its investigation and took the appropriate action allowed by law against Mr. Bosch.” Dunn declined further comment.”

    Always question the veracity of “sources”. When you get a real person making comment, at least you know someone has actually said something.

    ***********

    “So much hate is not healthy. I prescribe some mediation or yoga or even a prayer class to find some inner peace.”

    Kudos. Randy-esque indeed.

    :D

  30. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    YT

    Good to see you around I miss reading your posts.

    Sorry I missed your earlier post. I’m not an attorney either. But I think this is the relevant paragraph.

    “The source said MLB knew the documents had been intended for Florida investigators and that the purchase of them hindered the state investigation by preventing the department from gathering additional evidence against Bosch, doctors and others affiliated with the clinic. Further, MLB officials never told health department officials they had obtained the records, the source said.

    “They can’t say they weren’t warned,” the official said.”

  31. AAA November 16th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Does he fully realize or care just how much his uncertain status impacts the Yankees this winter?

    ===============================

    Couldn’t the same question be asked of Cano? Or Kuroda?

    In a business like this, and it is a business, why should be expect players to be concerned about how the uncertainty of their status impacts anyone but them?

  32. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    OK Pat.

    I’ll take the bait.

    Which youngster do you think will be the biggest positive surprise coming out of ST ?

    Or to ask things a little differently.

    Who do you have your eye on ?

    ;)

  33. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    “The Department of Health ended its probe into Bosch — a figure in the middle of a performance-enhancing drug scandal that’s ensnared Alex Rodriguez and other players — with a $5,000 fine and a cease-and-desist letter in April, the report said. Bosch’s fine was dropped to $3,000 in July, it said.

    According to the report, MLB buying the documents stopped Florida officials from gathering more evidence against Bosch, doctors and others linked to Biogenesis.”

    Again, why couldn’t both teams of investigators have had access to those documents?

  34. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Allowing “safe vs out” appeals in MLB’s 2014 expanded replay, is gonna open a whole can of worms. With runners advancing, (and possibly scoring), immediately following plays that are appealed\reviewed\reversed, umpires will frequently be returning runners to bases previously occupied, including sending a runner back to a base After he has already scored a run. Not only are fans gonna be furious that a run has been subtracted from their team’s total by some guy squirreled away in NY, but returning runners to a base previously occupied requires a “judgement” call, and it’s the lack of judgement which has warranted this process to be considered in the first place.

  35. pat November 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    “….. why couldn’t the documents in question be made available to both MLB investigators and the Florida Department of Health investigators?”

    “Before dealing with Jones, MLB had tried to lean on the Florida Department of Health as a source for documents and information. But it faced obstacles in teaming with an investigating agency. If the state had taken possession of Fischer’s documents, it is likely MLB would have had to wait until that investigation played out. And because the bulk of the files pertained to patient records, it’s uncertain whether the files could have been shared with a nongovernmental investigation.”

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/st.....ign=Buffer

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Yes you have. Maybe you don’t really know where you stand on the issue. You berated blake yesterday when he said he didn’t feel sorry for Arod and then said you didn’t feel sorry for him but you wanted MLB to admit its complicity. Now people in the front office deserve to feel uncomfortable, namely Randy Levine.

    It certainly appears you are rooting hard for team Arod – which of course is your right. But it also seems that it goes deeper than just wanting MLB to admit its complicity in the steroid era, something I’m sure you know isn’t going to happen. And if MLB was complicit in the steroid era – and indeed it was, IMO – that has little to do with what Arod is alleged to have done. So why not let Arod take his medicine, whatever it is?

    If I have misstated your position at all, then I apologize.

  37. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Always question the veracity of “sources”.”

    Hilarious considering MLB’s “sources” . Haha on that funny note I have a long list of chores I have totally been prostrating on.

    “Kudos. Randy-esque indeed.”

    I’m guessing this was not intended to be complimentary… But I will start you on your way to inner peace by taking it as a compliment. :D

    Have fun be nice.

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    “In a business like this, and it is a business, why should be expect players to be concerned about how the uncertainty of their status impacts anyone but them?”

    That’s money.

  39. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Tar

    I just read your reply to my question.

    MTU-

    What youngster that plays offense might be given a chance to make the roster out of ST. Probably should say rookie since Musty is no youngster. It looks like Romine might end up back in AAA if they sign a FA catcher and Cervelli is the backup”

  40. pat November 16th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    MTU

    Pineda, Betances or anyone else who will save them $12M on a replacement.

    I believe they were counting on inexpensive pitching to stay under the $189 so every young one who reaches their potential helps the team on the field and in the P&L column.

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    What are MLB’s “sources”? I haven’t read things dropped to the news by MLB “sources”. Have you? Quote a few then.

    No, it wasn’t meant as a compliment. :D

    Thanks for being concerned about my inner peace. The day I fall apart on the forum and tear out my hair and weep bitterly because the Yankees aren’t spending enough money, you’ll know I don’t have inner peace. Until then, feel comforted that I do.

    ;)

  42. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Anyone that is bothered by the prosecution or defense buying stolen documents has never watched “Hardcore Pawn” “Pawn Stars”, etc. Like it or not, there is stuff, “falling off the back of a truck”, as I type this. Get real A-Rod.

  43. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    “Yes you have. Maybe you don’t really know where you stand on the issue. You berated blake yesterday when he said he didn’t feel sorry for Arod and then said you didn’t feel sorry for him but you wanted MLB to admit its complicity. Now people in the front office deserve to feel uncomfortable, namely Randy Levine.”

    My posts to Blake stand. Blake has repeated ( quite often) the assertion that he doesn’t feel sorry for Alex. I was pointing out that it has nothing to do with “feeling sorry”. And I didn’t feel sorry either.

    As for Levine, this is what I posted:

    ” I bet he doesn’t care because certain elements in the Yankee front office deserve to be uncomfortable.”

    In other words I bet ALEX doesn’t care because of the allegations of Levine’s slimness in this case. Do you think Alex cares if Levine is uncomfortable? I don’t and I don’t blame him for that.

    And no matter how hard I have rooted for “team Arod” you have well surpassed me on the other side with your hate and vitriol on this matter.

    “So why not let Arod take his medicine, whatever it is?

    If I have misstated your position at all, then I apologize.”

    You have… but no need to apologize. If the punishment was in line with what other players received than my position would most likely be different, its not.

  44. AAA November 16th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    And if MLB was complicit in the steroid era – and indeed it was, IMO – that has little to do with what Arod is alleged to have done. So why not let Arod take his medicine, whatever it is?

    =================================

    It does have little to do with Arod’s case, but I don’t see how anyone can look at MLB’s behavior in this matter as anything other than deplorable. Arbitrary punishment, press leaks, and highly questionable methods in obtaining “evidence” have been hallmarks of this process.

    To me, it’s not so much about taking a side, either MLB or Arod, as much as it is disdain for the process.

  45. pat November 16th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    “Again, why couldn’t both teams of investigators have had access to those documents?”

    Thy could have but they had different agendas on how the documents were to be used and each side getting them first would have hurt the other sides desired result.

  46. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Pat-

    From that same article:

    “An MLB official denies impeding the Florida Department of Health investigation while also suggesting repeatedly that the health investigation was more a regulatory than criminal undertaking and therefore not as serious. A source told “Outside the Lines” the health department ultimately stepped aside from its investigation at the request of federal investigators, but that was after MLB had purchased the documents. The MLB official said its investigators have continued to cooperate with subsequent criminal investigations by the Miami-Dade State Attorney’s Office and the U.S. Attorney’s Office, which are focused on a cadre of Bosch associates, doctors and pharmacies.”

    In a medical malpractice case the patients records are obtainable by both sides.

    This seems to be a turf war battle played out in the media.

    Banuelos, if he made the team out of ST would excite me.

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    The punishment was not in line because the alleged actions transcend what the other players did. It isn’t only about buying from Bosch. Or is that of no relevance to you?

  48. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    If A-Rod had got to that evidence 1st, he woulda put a Zippo to it faster than you can say “150 games”.

  49. 86w183 November 16th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Good morning all and happy College Football Saturday!

    I agree the behavior of MLB and its investigators has been deplorable in the bio-genesis case and it’s hard for any fair minded person not to feel A-Rod has been targeted.

    But why wouldn’t he be targeted. He tested positive in 2003. He admitted taking steroid throughout the 2001-03 seasons. He apparently tested positive for a stimulant in ’07 and if suffering the kind f physical breakdown in his mid-late thirties that are consistent with prolonged steroid use/abuse.

    the only way for Alex, MLB and the NYY to put this in the rear view mirror would be to negotiate some sort of buyout/retirement agreement, but the Yanks have no incentive to do that unless it is accompanied by some significant luxury tax relief from that salary.

    And I don’t see that happening, so the melodrama continues………..

  50. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Or is that of no relevance to you?”

    Is it any relevance to you that Braun lied to the point that a man got fired? Or how about Melky creating a false web site to try and get out of his punishment?

    “Banuelos, if he made the team out of ST would excite me.”

    YT

    Banuelos and Betances are two players I think I am most looking forward to see next year.

  51. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    But why wouldn’t he be targeted. He tested positive in 2003.”

    How many others “tested positive”? How many others names were released? How many others whose names were not released continued to do PEDS or HGH?

  52. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    YT-

    Perhaps the “Adonis” but he is not young either.

    Maybe Heathcott makes a strong impression ?

    Also think Almonte might be able to rake against righties.

    Since that is at least 2/3′s of the Pitchers we face it has significant value.

    Perhaps Adams will finally come around ?

  53. 86w183 November 16th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Banuelos, if he made the team out of ST would excite me.

    ************************************************************************

    Me too! The Yanks could actually energize the fan base AND get to $ 189 if they were to go all in on Banuelos, Betances, Pineda, Almonte etc. They may fail, but they could do well. It would be nice if one position player had high end potential but I don’t see it.

    It would be exciting to have a rookie of the year candidate for the first time since Matsui!

  54. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Pat-

    Dellin is out of options so if he doesn’t make the parent club he’s gone.

    Pineda remains a mystery.

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    “It does have little to do with Arod’s case, but I don’t see how anyone can look at MLB’s behavior in this matter as anything other than deplorable. Arbitrary punishment, press leaks, and highly questionable methods in obtaining “evidence” have been hallmarks of this process.

    To me, it’s not so much about taking a side, either MLB or Arod, as much as it is disdain for the process.”

    Would you have preferred that all the players involved got away scot free? That might have been the result of not having the evidence.

    I understand and respect your position. I guess mine is that I am more disgusted by the illegal use of PEDs and how it has destroyed the reputation and respectability of the game than I am how evidence outing it is obtained.

  56. joeman November 16th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    There has to be a number out of how much money they lost because of the attendance dip and everything that goes with it along with not making the playoffs and everything that also goes with it…the money total has to be huge.don’t think they will go thru that again thus that 189 is just a #

  57. 86w183 November 16th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Tar —

    103 tested positive. there have been multiple lists published, but I don’t have any idea how accurate they are. It was Alex’s idiotic admission that he had used repeatedly for three full years that marked him as Hyster Prynne by MLB.

    I don’t agree with it. I don’t care at all about PED use because it has been around since the 1920′s and will NEVER go away. Just citing reasons why MLB has it in for Alex Rodriguez.

  58. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    IMO the Yankees will not go with more than 1 question mark in the rotation at a time.

    They will test out/break in 1 at a time.

    They seem to have taken Cone’s suggestion of using the pen as a way station to the rotation.

    I want Tanaka.

  59. pat November 16th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    “An MLB official denies impeding the Florida Department of Health investigation while also suggesting repeatedly that the health investigation was more a regulatory than criminal undertaking and therefore not as serious. ”

    YT

    not as serious as what? The DOH investigation had a potential to be parlayed into a criminal investigation while MLB’s investigation could only ever be regulatory. That’s why MLB went to the DOH for help first. They could get the subpoena power that MLB lacked.

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    “Is it any relevance to you that Braun lied to the point that a man got fired? Or how about Melky creating a false web site to try and get out of his punishment?”

    Of course it is. But MLB certainly has no involvement in Braun lying, especially after that douche bag arbitrator overturned MLB’s punishment! And don’t forget that Braun didn’t admit to jack spit until after he received the 65 game suspension!

    Truth. I don’t know anything about Melky’s false web site.

  61. GregD November 16th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    the uncertainty about next year is more about Cano than anyone else……….

  62. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Would you have preferred that all the players involved got away scot free?”

    I answer yes.

    “I guess mine is that I am more disgusted by the illegal use of PEDs and how it has destroyed the reputation and respectability of the game than I am how evidence outing it is obtained.”

    There is nothing wrong with this position. We disagree about culpability issues but I have no problem with you feeling this way.

    BTW you do realize that most of your allies in this Alex matter are more concerned about the money the Yankees save than anything else.

  63. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    MTU

    If the Yankees were able to get a Stanton, or a Prufar, and the other team wanted a proven Yankee offensive player under the age of 30 in return, that would only leave Gardner and what teams might be willing to give up offensive young talent for a player who will be a FA at the end of next season, unless the Yankees negotiate an extension before his arb hearing?

  64. yankeefeminista November 16th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I doubt Manny will be rushed out of ST into mlb games; he has yet to pitch in even milb games, and was only pitching in sim games when the milb season ended. Don’t forget that he only threw 24 innings in 2012, and add to that that the Yanks chose not to have him pitch in winter ball. Yanks will likely take it slow with Manny, as they should. Although I expect his arm to be stronger than ever.

  65. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Just citing reasons why MLB has it in for Alex Rodriguez.”

    86

    I know…. I was just adding my “witch hunt” aspect take to it. Sorry to hijack your post :evil:

    “But MLB certainly has no involvement in Braun lying”

    Of course not….. but they have every bit of involvement in the 65 games penalty.

  66. blake November 16th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    “It does have little to do with Arod’s case, but I don’t see how anyone can look at MLB’s behavior in this matter as anything other than deplorable. ”

    I think both sides have been deplorable…..to me there is no “good guy” in this case…..both sides suck and therefore I’m pulling for the outcome that best benefits the Yankees……and clearly that’s for Alex to miss all 211 games

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    If you remember, I was calling Braun guilty when everyone else was defending him and talking about “false positives” even after experts were saying nobody could test that high and have it be a false positive. You had to really stretch your imagination to believe everything Braun was saying.

    I come from an area of common sense. Common sense told you that the fed ex guy’s explanation trumped what Braun was throwing out there. Common sense also told you that all of the evidence against Clemens was so compelling that you’d have to be an idiot to believe his story.

    Unfortunately, common sense doesn’t always take the day, at least not immediately.

    I was also one of the few who said from jump street that Canseco was on the money when he wrote Juiced because common sense tells you that people who are falsely accused of something that egregious immediately defend themselves by filing slander suits. Not a one did it. Yet everyone was jumping on the “Canseco’s broke and needed money so he made all of that up” bandwagon.

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    “Of course not….. but they have every bit of involvement in the 65 games penalty.”

    Meaning what?

  69. AAA November 16th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    BTW you do realize that most of your allies in this Alex matter are more concerned about the money the Yankees save than anything else.

    =============================

    Exactly. And that’s fine too.

    I do wonder just how different the reaction to all this would be if it were Robinson Cano rather than Alex Rodriguez being targeted.

  70. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    YT-

    We are totally bereft in that area at the moment.

    We cannot get those types of players that way.

    We would need to offer up our more cherished young pitching prospects and a guy like Sanchez.

    Or trade Ivan.

  71. austinmac November 16th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Trades for god players are not happening for obvious reasons. That is why free agency is the only option. That is also why they can ‘t be cheap and rot ely compete.

  72. austinmac November 16th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Good players–

  73. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Good morning YF.

    That would be sensible in regards to Man-Ban.

    And you are right. His arm should be stronger than it was before.

  74. blake November 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Arod was treated unfairly in 2009 when compared to everyone else on that list…..but he still did it.

    Also where there is smoke there is fire and there is a ton of smoke around him it would seem here. Maybe he’s being singled out and he probably is…..but honestly I just don’t care anymore.

    He lost me when he said “judge me from this point forward ” in 2009 and then went and kept doing it……spoke to kids about not using PEDs while he was doing it……

    Go MLB

  75. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Stop the holier than thou tripe. Ever heard of a CI, or a jailhouse snitch. The buying of evidence has been going on forever. A-Rod was Not just attempting to buy evidence, he was also buying Silence.

  76. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Mac-

    JU was moved just last season.

    These types of trades happen. This season it might be Castro, or others.

    Just need the right return.

    Unfortunately, I would say Nova is our strongest chip and we pretty much need him as it stands.

  77. blake November 16th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “I do wonder just how different the reaction to all this would be if it were Robinson Cano rather than Alex Rodriguez being targeted.”

    A lot different and I’ll admit it…..Alex can’t play anymore….he’s a lier…..and he’s hurting the team I cheer for by his salary. Cano is a different story so of course Id feel differently if this were him……of course if this were him they could just not sign him :)

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    “BTW you do realize that most of your allies in this Alex matter are more concerned about the money the Yankees save than anything else.”

    Thankfully (I say that because the individuals involved feel the same way I do) there are a few who came from the moral aspect from jump street. Rhapsody is one. Barry is another. I actually think austinmac is in there too, meaning that if Arod did what he is accused of doing, he felt he should get punished for it. There were a few others. I can’t remember everyone who opined that way. But certainly I have read those who want it for the sake of helping the Yankees financially. I would never be on that bandwagon.

  79. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    BTW you do realize that most of your allies in this Alex matter are more concerned about the money the Yankees save than anything else.

    =============================

    Exactly. And that’s fine too.

    I do wonder just how different the reaction to all this would be if it were Robinson Cano rather than Alex Rodriguez being targeted.”

    Yeah I have no problem with people thinking that way.

    I think differently on the matter…. but different strokes for different folks.

  80. AAA November 16th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    I think both sides have been deplorable…..to me there is no “good guy” in this case…..both sides suck and therefore I’m pulling for the outcome that best benefits the Yankees

    ====================================

    I think that’s where most are on the issue. As I’ve said, I have some real problems with the process here. Right now that process is impacting a player who is not especially likeable and whose punishment can positively impact the Yankees. However, that process can just as easily impact a player who has just the opposite qualities.

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    “Stop the holier than thou tripe. Ever heard of a CI, or a jailhouse snitch. The buying of evidence has been going on forever. A-Rod was Not just attempting to buy evidence, he was also buying Silence.”

    ABSOLUTELY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY SPOT ON DONNYBROOK!

    Well, it is.

  82. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    GregD-

    You’re right. The Yankees offseason moves will depend if Cano comes back and whether they can sign him sooner while other FA’s are still available.

    Now if Kuroda signs elsewhere soon, including going back to Japan, the Yankees can’t afford to wait until the Tanaka posting is officially open, as their only certain starters are now CC and Nova.

  83. blake November 16th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    AAA,

    I have issue with the process as well…..I just don’t care as much about that as I do about the Yankees…..selfish Yankee fan I am

  84. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    YT-

    Not exactly.

    Phelps and or others can easily fill the #5 slot.

    It’s the middle of the rotation that would at issue.

  85. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    YF

    Good morning :D

    And you are absolutely right about Manny not having enough innings yet. But I am still excited to see how he does this year.

  86. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    The biggest problem most guys coming back from TJS have is their lack of command.

    Therefore, I would expect Banuelos to struggle with his this season.

    Everything else should be fine.

  87. joeman November 16th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    NYY need to find themselves a new #1 SPer….it should be the # 1 priority

  88. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Arod was treated unfairly in 2009 when compared to everyone else on that list…..but he still did it.”

    But we don’t know how many of the other 103 “still did it” do we?

    Was Braun on that list? Melky? Cruz?

  89. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    “I think that’s where most are on the issue. As I’ve said, I have some real problems with the process here. Right now that process is impacting a player who is not especially likeable and whose punishment can positively impact the Yankees. However, that process can just as easily impact a player who has just the opposite qualities.”

    The players you should be concerned about are those who follow the rules, not those who cheat the game.

  90. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    David Ortiz was on that list…

  91. Ys Guy November 16th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    the bleacher report article trisha cited clearly says that the attendance had dropped by 10,000 per game BEFORE loria bought the expos, as i stated in my earlier post.

    the article is very short on how they got from bronfman to loria, which is where the sell off happened and the attendace collapse. once again, as i said, it happened BEFORE loria bought in.

    loria and selig ‘conspired’ if you like, to move a terrible abandoned franchise averaging 9,000 fans a game out of montreal.

    but the kill off of the franchise had already happened before loria got there.

  92. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    When I was a kid eons ago I had a “Pez” dispenser.

    When you clicked it it put out these tiny rectangular solid little candies.

    Each one was a uniform size and shape.

    That is what LR’s pitching advice is like. Like a “Pez” dispenser.

    We could do better.

  93. 86w183 November 16th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    The PED witch hunts that Interim Commissioner Baby Doc Selig has championed have done far more damage to the game than the actual use of PEDs ever did.

    Remember the add campaign “Chicks Dig the Long Ball”?? Buddy Boy that was YOUR marketing of the PED area. Once you and your fellow owners made hundreds of millions of dollars off it you suddenly found religion regarding the issue.

    As far as PEds “tainting” the historical integrity of the game and its records don’t be absurd. The game was tainted through 1947 with the systematic exclusions of all black and dark skinned hispanic players. It wasn’t til the 1960s that every team had more than one of “those types” on their roster.

    Dead ball era, live ball era, steroid era, amphetamine era… they all “tainted” the game to some degree. Expansion tainted records, raising the mound and lowering it did too. Astroturf… HR happy band boxes…. huge areas of foul territory…. virtually no foul territory…

    It’s never ending. There is no such thing as the historical integrity of a sport and it’s record book and there never will be. There’s nothing wrong with that

  94. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    The players you should be concerned about are those who follow the rules, not those who cheat the game.”

    They do…… the rules say 50 games for the first offense.

  95. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Joeman-

    They potentially have several in-house candidates if they can re-sign Kuroda.

    Nova is the other possibility. That’s if you believe he has found it.

    ;)

  96. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    And who says CC won’t be that guy again next season ?

  97. joeman November 16th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    the player (along with $ ) they should have traded this past season was CC to a contender .

  98. 86w183 November 16th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    gotta run… have a day all!

  99. blake November 16th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    “But we don’t know how many of the other 103 “still did it” do we?”

    Nope but here is the thing….Alex admitted doing it then said to judge him from that point forward promising to never do it again……then be kept doing it.

    There is no doubt in my mind that he’s mentally addicted to the drugs…..but that doesn’t change the fact that he said to judge him…..so I am.

  100. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    86

    Great post. The game is perfectly imperfect.

  101. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    MTU

    I like David Phelps, but he pitched a total of 86.2 innings, 4 of them after the AS break. If Kuroda is gone they need a 3 and 4, as Warren, Pineda, Nuno, and others don’t have enough innings to put in a full year as a starter, and can’t wait until the Tanaka sweepstakes play out .

  102. yankeefeminista November 16th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Good morning, MTU. I think 2014 will actually be a fun year to watch our pitching prospects hopefully take it to the next level, both in the upper levels and in A ball. Like Banuelos, Hensley is another rehabbing pitcher who I expect to get a bump up in velo as per what he said about no longer be so restricted by the hip impingement. So, I’m excited to see how both of them do. Plus some of the arms I’ll have in SI.

    We have to put a number of players on the 40 man 4 days from now, and I think it will be interesting to see what pitchers will be added, obviously Mitchell and Greene. Likely Kahnle and Burawa, but will they leave off? Nuding? What about Whitley, who they have been giving some SP looks to? (Obviously of non-pitchers, Heathcott and Sanchez will have to be added)… Either way, I am expecting a good year from the kids, and am pumped to see our 2011, 2012 IFA’s taking it to another level.

    How is the pup doing and the family?

  103. pat November 16th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    “I have issue with the process as well…..I just don’t care as much about that as I do about the Yankees…..”

    First They Came…….

  104. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    “There is no such thing as the historical integrity of a sport and it’s record book and there never will be. There’s nothing wrong with that”

    There’s everything wrong with it.

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

    “Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little.”

    Edmund Burke

  105. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    When I was a kid eons ago I had a “Pez” dispenser.

    MTU :)

  106. blake November 16th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “pat says:
    November 16, 2013 at 11:03 am
    “I have issue with the process as well…..I just don’t care as much about that as I do about the Yankees…..”

    First They Came…….”

    Sorry but i differentiate a baseball steroid hearing from important things in real life…….

  107. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    YT-

    Phelps had enough innings in the minors to satisfy the Verducci requirement for a #5 starter.

    It is not what they do in the years immediately preceeding but the previous max.

    Not only that Phelps is a more mature pitcher and though he did have a little arm soreness last season I consider it a fluke and not an indicator of things to come.

    YF-

    The pup is mostly better. We are trying to wean him off some of his medicine and finding the right combo has been somewhat elusive so far. But we’ll get it right sooner or later.

    Family is mostly good but we have 1 ongoing major problem. That will take some time to resolve.

    Thank you for you ongoing concern. Much appreciated.

    How are things in your world ? Your ankle, for example ?

    Yes. Very much looking for some of our Farm guys to break out this season.

    It’s overdue. I expect at least 1 hitter and 1 pitcher to take the next step.

    ;)

  108. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    MTU

    Jujubes were big favorites at the movie theater.

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    “They do…… the rules say 50 games for the first offense.”

    You can keep pretending that you don’t know that there are other charges against Arod, but that doesn’t change the reality.

    And why do you answer every post where I am responding to AAA? You’re not a multiple are you?

    ;)

    I don’t mind you jumping in, but I’d like to know his responses to my reponses to his posts, but you are beating him to the punch every time!

  110. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    I appreciate that everybody was able to discuss this hot button topic without going off the deep end. We have had discussions like this before and it usually doesn’t end well. Good job to everybody involved and keep it up.

    I have procrastinated enough :mad:

    Have a nice day all!

    Blake I know you are not into football as much but big game vs Pitt today. After starting 1-5 if they can get through Pitt they have a good chance for a Bowl game.

  111. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Never cared for PEZ candy.

    – FAVORITE CANDY BARS -
    (1) MILKY WAY

    (2) SNICKERS

    (3) REECES PEANUT BUTTER CUP

    (4) MOUNDS BAR (with almonds)

    (5) ABBA ZABBA

  112. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    YT-

    Rasinets and Goobers worked for me.

    ;)

  113. yankeefeminista November 16th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    MTU, I also want to get a live look at Severino live. He’s supposed to have a special arm. Those people who live near the RiverDogs have an exciting pitching prospect to watch. I hope he starts in one of the games when Charleston comes into NJ to play Lakewood in late April 2014.

    Hi Tar, I hope you are doing well! Still fighting the good fight, I see.

  114. blake November 16th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    I just don’t really see the relevance in a quote used to describe the Holocaust to a steroid hearing for a guy that’s made over 500 million dollars in his career.

  115. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    “And why do you answer every post where I am responding to AAA? You’re not a multiple are you?”

    well since you didn’t address it to AAA, I really had no idea “who you were responding to”

    And since I think AAA’s post are better than mine.. I will take that as a compliment as well.

  116. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Tar

    Have a good day, but I’ll be rooting for Pitt, my old alma mater, back in the day when my dorm room looked right into Forbes Field.

  117. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    YF-

    That’s why you are the best.

    You bring guys like Severino (who I know nothing about) to our attention.

    :)

  118. blake November 16th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Tar,
    I’m gonna try and watch some maybe….a bowl game would be nice but I’m on to the hardwood this time of year

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    The only problem I would have with “the process” is if MLB did anything that was against the law. Short of that, I’m fine with it. (I of course can’t really know the process since everything is coming from “sources” and there are conflicting stories everywhere. But whatever the reality as long as they didn’t break any law, I’m fine with what they did.)

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Tar, I thought I was quoting his posts when I made my responses, but maybe I wasn’t. In any event, I agree that he has well-thought-out posts!

  121. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Great to see you YF

    Trader I now that you mention it I remember you posting that about your dorm before.

    I promise not to trash talk later :twisted: . j/k the Heels will be lucky to escape with a win.

    I have a huge to do list…I beg everybody to stop responding to me, before I get in real trouble :D

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Tar – to you too. :D

    I agree we did very well, as a group, with our discussion.

    I’m off to tend to not-fun stuff, also. :(

    Have a great day y’all.

    :)

  123. Tar November 16th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Trish

    You probably were quoting his posts, (I didn’t go back and check) but I know you did not address it to him. No big deal sorry to interrupt

  124. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Video of Luis Severino against the Pirates :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmd4NbosRoc

  125. bigdan22 November 16th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    For those of you who would like to see the Arod matter end quickly, it might be wise for you to root for 50 games. Why? Because I would guess (and that’s all this is) that Arod would accept 50 games now. But 100 or more? I think it’s pretty certain Arod would try to challenge that decision in court by first seeking a TRO. Grannting TROs in almost any matter is extradordinary but there’s nothing ordinary in this case. If a TRO were to be granted, you can bet Arod will be manning third for the Yanks in April and maybe for the whole season while a court tries to figure out if the arbitration panel messed up.

    Maybe the Yanks ain’t so dumb after all when they say they are treating Arod as their current third baseman.

  126. blake November 16th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    For those of you who would like to see the Arod matter end quickly, it might be wise for you to root for 50 games. Why? Because I would guess (and that’s all this is) that Arod would accept 50 games now. But 100 or more? I think it’s pretty certain Arod would try to challenge that decision in court by first seeking a TRO. Grannting TROs in almost any matter is extradordinary but there’s nothing ordinary in this case. If a TRO were to be granted, you can bet Arod will be manning third for the Yanks in April and maybe for the whole season while a court tries to figure out if the arbitration panel messed up.”

    I would like quick…..but Id rather have the 211 games than quick ….

  127. blake November 16th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Having said everything I’ve said…..the arbitrator presumably isn’t a Yankee can so I still see no way the entire suspension is upheld…..there just isn’t grounds for it. Maybe 100 or so

  128. yankeefeminista November 16th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    MTU, Just realized, I forget to put Campos on the 40 man; so he too has to be added. Footage of Severino: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmd4NbosRoc

    You can see for yourself, but I will try to find a scouting report when I get home later: But big FB, power slider, & change according to Charleston PC. Over 10/9 K rates and very stingy 2ishBB/9 in GCL/short stint in Charleston. I think we have a lot of quality from 2011 and 2012 IFA classes…

    As for the ankle, I cannot complain…

    Good to hear about the little guy; I will keep you all in my prayers.

  129. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    I’ve got to go soon too. Too early to predict, but I wouldn’t be all that unhappy if this was the Yankees opening day lineup against a righty:

    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Soriano LF
    Choo RF
    Tex 1B
    McCann C
    Reynolds DH
    Prufar 3B

    Starters:
    Kuroda
    Sabathia
    Tanaka
    Nova
    Kazmir

    Team Greedy wants some exciting signings and an exciting youngster and future SS on the team.

  130. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    YT-

    Not happening.

    :(

    Thanks YF. I agree w your assessment. Plenty of pitching talent down on the Farm.

  131. pat November 16th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    “I just don’t really see the relevance in a quote used to describe the Holocaust to a steroid hearing for a guy that’s made over 500 million dollars in his career.”

    That’s not a poem about the Holocaust. It’s about condoning injustice as long as it doesn’t negatively impact you.

  132. yankeefeminista November 16th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Ah, see you already put up the video, so you can see for yourself! Another arm in the class of JRam, and Severino is only 19…

    I’m telling you we have some big young arms, so a few of those will have to work out… I’ve seen Gallegos’s and Mitchell’s and look forward to seeing Severino’s, Omar Luis’s (LHP!) and Martinez’s of the low level prospects… And of course Clarkin… But there are quite a few others. Rony Bautista is a 6’7 left-handed project, but I like tall project pitchers! ;)

  133. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    YF

    Thanks for the footage on Severino, even if the the umps derrière was in the way on some of the pitches. Hopefully we’ll get to see some of your budding young players contributing and on the Yankees 25 man roster.

  134. pat November 16th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    “Alex Rodriguez recently seen having lunch in Miami with Rakonteur raconteurs Billy Corben and Alfred Spellman of Cocaine Cowboys and The U fame.”

    A documentary in the works or just 3 Miami guys getting together?

  135. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    YF-

    The list is long and distinguished.

    Banuelos, J-Ram, DePaula, Campos, Mitchell, Hensley, Etc.

    And we should have had Cole too.

    ;)

  136. blake November 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    That’s not a poem about the Holocaust. It’s about condoning injustice as long as it doesn’t negatively impact you”

    I didn’t say it was about the holocaust….but it’s been used in connection with it……either way I’ll save the morality for things that matter in life…..not a steroid hearing between a bunch of slime balls

  137. yankeefeminista November 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    You’re welcome, YT, although MTU actually had the link up first.

    And YT, from your lips to … We have a lot of talent; let’s find a way to develop it and get it on the mlb roster.

    Yes, MTU, I forgot to add De Paula. I love his arm, but I still think he has some work to do in terms of repeating especially those secondary pitches. He threw some killer CB’s when I saw him pitch in Lakewood, but he was pretty erratic.

  138. David in Cal November 16th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Gardner is a much better base-runner than Jeter. Gardner also uses more pitches per PA, which is valuable for a lead-off batter. I expect Gardner to hit as well as Jeter in 2014. Suppose he does. Will the Yanks let Gardner lead off and move Jeter down to the bottom third of the batting order? Or, will they feel compelled to let Jeter bat 1st or 2nd, just because he’s Jeter?

  139. pat November 16th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    RailRidersTT
    My favorite name in the IL last year, @ZelousWheeler, has signed with the Yankees. I feel good inside.

  140. blake November 16th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    “Gardner is a much better base-runner than Jete”

    He’s faster…..if Jeter was as fast as Gardner he’d steal 60 a year . Gardner is fast but he’s not a good instinctive base runner at all

  141. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    MTU

    USA Today Sports Weekly is predicting:
    Cano-Yankees
    Kuroda-Japan
    Tanaka- Dodgers
    McCann-Red Sox
    Ellsbury-Red Sox
    Choo-Orioles
    Nathan- Indians
    Beltran-Yankees
    Nolasco-Yankees

  142. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    YT-

    Well they’re just plain wrong cause WE are getting Mr. T and Kuroda too.

    We have no need for Nolasco.

    I wouldn’t give up the pick for Beltran.

  143. joeman November 16th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    blake November 16th, 2013 at 11:55 am
    “Gardner is a much better base-runner than Jete”

    He’s faster…..if Jeter was as fast as Gardner he’d steal 60 a year . Gardner is fast but he’s not a good instinctive base runner at all

    ———————————-
    been saying here that 4 years now…his all around baseball instincts are bad

  144. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    In that article by Paul White it’s :

    Cano 8/223
    Tanaka 6/62
    McCann 4/65
    Choo 6/100
    Ellsbury 7/150
    Nathan 2/26
    Beltran 3/44
    Nolasco 3/35

  145. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    I have no idea why anyone thinks we can’t and will outbid the Dodgers for Tanaka.

    They are new to the style.

    We are aren’t. We’ve played this game before.

    And no matter how hard they try they will never match our financial muscle.

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  146. yankeefeminista November 16th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

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    As for dropping Jeter to the bottom 3rd of the order, let’s wait and see how he hits first (and who else is in this vaunted lineup), shall we? And FTR, I believe Jeter will hit fine.

    YT, I am not a fan of those predictions.

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  149. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

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    No frickin’ way.

    And that is very reasonable for Tanaka considering his potential.

    :)

  150. yankeefeminista November 16th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Nor would I, RE: Beltran. If we sign him, not that I don’t think he can be productive, but it just epitomizes our after-the-fact way of doing, plus losing the draft pick. Dumb.

  151. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Kuroda’s ERA was 6.65 over his last 8 starts and he’s turning 39.

    I’d be happy if they could fit Cano, Choo, Tanaka within their 189 plan, and add a 3rd baseman if ARod is out most of the year, and a catcher thru trade. One more FA starter and a BP lefty and if all the oldies but goodies can stay healthy, they should be in the hunt.

  152. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    YF-

    What’s your take on Tanaka ?

  153. pat November 16th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Beltran said something about being willing to take advantage of the DH role if he signed with an AL team.

    I think the Yankees need less guys looking at the DH spot for half days off no matter the length of the contract.

  154. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    YT-

    True. But the rest of those innings were stellar.

    I just think his innings need to be managed a little more carefully.

    I am very much hoping he decides to return.

  155. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Absolutely Pat.

    They have plenty of walking wounded already.

    In point of fact it would better if they had a for real DH instead of their current arrangement.

    ;)

  156. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    MTU

    Part owner of the Dodgers, Stan Kasten is a pretty shrewd and smart cookie, and LA is a direct flight to Tokyo.

    The last I read about the posting fee negotiations is that the player will go to the team with the highest bid, but the Japanese team losing the player, Tanaka in this case, will get the average of the two highest bids

  157. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    In point of fact it would better if they had a for real DH instead of their current arrangement.
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  158. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    MTU

    You posted some very good info on Tanaka a few weeks ago. Weren’t there some concerns about his fastball being straight. Looking at his stride, it seems that he can indeed dial it up, rather than average 92-93 as was mentioned.

  159. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    YT-

    In this one special case I believe you will see the Yankees go back to using their financial clout.

    I have a theory on Tanaka.

    Part of which is his marketing value.

    I think they want him badly enough to outbid all comers.

    We’ll see.

    ;)

  160. joeman November 16th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    The biggest benefit is to resetting the luxury tax rate. Get under once and you can drop your rate from 50% to around 17% the following year with gradual increases from there.

    The benefit of staying under isn’t that great. Get under this year and the team can comfortably go over the next few years with minimal consequence.

  161. blake November 16th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    “Yankee Trader says:
    November 16, 2013 at 12:02 pm
    In that article by Paul White it’s :

    Cano 8/223
    Tanaka 6/62
    McCann 4/65
    Choo 6/100
    Ellsbury 7/150
    Nathan 2/26
    Beltran 3/44
    Nolasco 3/35″

    This would be typical Yabkees and a waste……it’s halfway

  162. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    YT-

    Tanaka is rare for a Japanese pitcher in that his delivery is drop-and-drive.

    He does not most use his arm but his whole body to generate power.

    That bodes well for his durability IMO.

    His FB is rather straight from what I saw but he should command it well enough to make up for it.

    It is also possible he can dial it up from time to time.

    The very best things about Tanaka are his 2ndary offerings and his control.

    His splitter and Slider are both pretty deadly.

    Very much + to ++ pitches.

    I think he also hides the ball well which might also make him more difficult.

    All in all I don’t see how we pass on a 25 y.o. w his potential at that price.

    It would be even better if Kuroda is there to mentor him.

    ;)

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    When you have time you might be interested in this just released article on how W-L records with Pitchers fail to tell the entire story.

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    I wonder if Jerkface would agree.

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  165. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    YT-

    I think he would.

    That is very much part of Sabremetric doctrine.

    ;)

  166. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Blake

    What time is the UNC-Pitt game?

  167. joeman November 16th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Phillies are going to go hard into the FA market on the win now with their new TV deal coming up

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  169. MTU November 16th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Joeman-

    Well then I hope they are about as successful with it as the Blue Jays were.

    You have to spend smart these days.

    ;)

  170. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    MTU

    I think Kuroda, taking away the last six weeks or so of this past season, would be a perfect example in that article, as he has, for the last two years, been the victim of poor run support compared to the other Yankee Starters. at one point in 2012 he was getting a few ticks over 3 runs a game of support all the way thru the end of August.

    In fact, unless the Yankees bring in some offensive weapons, instead of relying on Tex, ARod and Jeter to supply the offense, as well as an older Soriano, Kuroda might just sign elsewhere or return to Japan.

  171. joeman November 16th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    MTU November 16th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    Joeman-

    Well then I hope they are about as successful with it as the Blue Jays were.

    You have to spend smart these days.

    ——————————-
    going after it this year hard otherwise they would have traded a few of their players..Lee,Utley and so on.

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    The benefit of staying under isn’t that great. Get under this year and the team can comfortably go over the next few years with minimal consequence.”

    So whats the difference between 50% and 17% if you go over the threshold by 30 million. That’s a saving of 9 million for 1 year, and 1/2 of that for the 2nd year. This is a 3 billion dollar organization with revenues of 600 million not including YES. That’s chump change

    Over the last 10 years the Yankees have spent over 20 million a year in tax. If they go over the threshold by 30 million they only pay 15 million despite the slightly higher rate. Whats changed? Nothing except a new stadium, higher ticket prices and higher revenues.

    Obviously, one more thing, revenue sharing rebates. However, the Yankees have survived nicely without the 15 million a year in rebates expected over the next few year. Why is getting them so essential now. Especially when the team can least afford to cut payroll and still remain competitive given the disaster that is the farm system.

    And in the aftermath of the YES deal with Newscorp and a 450 million lump sum payout, and the increase in national TV rights by 25 million starting from next year, I think the Yankees could survive nicely by forgoing the rebates and getting under the threshold until a time when the farm system produces something more than bad eggs.

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