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Week in review: Free agent market comes into focus

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 17, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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This was the week of the GM Meetings, the week of BBWAA award announcements, and the week that instant replay changes were set in motion. But it was also a week that started with qualifying offer decisions.

Robinson Cano, Hiroki Kuroda and Curtis Granderson each declined, as did every other player in baseball who received the one-year, $14.1-million offer.

Two years into this system of free agent compensation, we have yet to see anyone accept a qualifying offer. Doesn’t mean the system’s not working, only means that it’s successfully letting teams determine which free agents are worth a supplemental draft pick. It’s assigning real-market value, rather than depending on the old Type-A, Type-B system that sometimes penalized players for being too effective in roles that don’t have overwhelming financial value.

In the case of Granderson in particular, it seemed this might be an opportunity for someone to accept a qualifying offer, but Marlon Byrd has already shown that offensive power is worth a lot in this market, and Granderson should have little trouble matching or exceeding $14.1 million.

Even after an injury, he’s still a compensation-worthy free agent, and in that way, the new system worked perfectly.

Brendan Ryan• The Yankees first significant signing of the winter — if you call it that — could be shortstop Brendan Ryan. The team is said to be “close” to a deal that would bring Ryan back as infield insurance. He’s an elite defender, and he had his moments with the bat during his brief Yankees tenure this season.

• Knowing the Yankees are in the market for a shortstop, Derek Jeter spoke at Joe Torre’s foundation gala and said he still fully expects to be the Yankees everyday player at the position next season. Jeter has started his offseason workout and said he feels good. He expects to be 100 percent healthy in 2014.

• There have been some snags in changing the Japanese posting system, and those snags led to an early belief that Masahiro Tanaka might not be posted after all this winter. The current thinking, though, seems to be that Tanaka will still become available at some point. He seems like a strong fit for the Yankees.

• Instant replay changes seem all but certain this point, with managers likely given two challenges per game (successful challenges won’t count toward the total) and given no opportunity to challenge a play that’s argued on the field. Kind of have to see these changes in action to have a real sense of how they will work.

• Alex Rodriguez was going to interview with MLB — setting the stage for him to testify during his appeal hearing — but then he called in sick. Just another weird event in a weird saga.

• Robinson Cano finished fifth in MVP voting, and Joe Girardi finished fourth for Manager of the Year. No Yankees player got a vote for either Rookie of the Year or Cy Young.

• Hal Steinbrenner made it clear that Mark Newman and Damon Oppenheimer will not be fired, meaning not huge shakeup in the player development department.

• Brian Cashman made it clear that the Yankees will tender a contract to Francisco Cervelli, meaning Cervelli will be back in some capacity next season. Chris Stewart might not be back.

• The Yankees announced their spring schedule, with pitchers and catchers scheduled to report on February 14. My girlfriend is going to love that. Happy Valentines Day!

• The Arizona Fall League season came to an end. Vidal Nuno probably had the most impressive numbers of all the Yankees prospects assigned to the league. The numbers from Peter O’Brien and Mason Williams showed a mix of good and bad, while the most significant Yankees news coming out of Arizona was the early decision to pull Tyler Austin because of ongoing wrist issues.

• Nothing official yet, but it certainly sounds like the Yankees are going to play two exhibition games in Panama next season. The trip would be a sort of gesture of thanks to Mariano Rivera, who’s from Panama and would, presumably, make the trip.

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  1. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    I don’t know why anyone thinks Ryan showed a better bet than expected for the Yankees. He had a .563 OPS for us. He can field, but he makes the offense worse sitting on the bench.

  2. blake November 17th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Had one with the stomach bug last week and have been just waiting for it to strike again…..sure enough last night it struck back with his brother. I can’t remember the last full nights sleep I got.

  3. blake November 17th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Id rather have ryan than Nunie on the bench though….. Neither cash really hit but at least ryan can play D

  4. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Nunie is Ruth compared to Ryan at bat. Of course, Ryan is light years better with the glove. Sometimes,in my fantasy dreams, I think about getting a player who can do both.

    I wish we would get Drew. He can field and actually hit reasonably well with a .270 lifetime BA. I know. Not happening.

  5. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Blake,

    Sorry about the bug. Been there, done that. I’m tired just thinking about it.

  6. blake November 17th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Mac,
    Part of life unfortunately …..worst part about viruses is that you never know who else had been infected so you wait for days for the ball to drop again

  7. MTU November 17th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Good morning gentlemen.

    Sorry to hear about your boys Blake.

    Speedy recovery.

    You need your sleep so you can keep your game face on.

    :)

  8. MTU November 17th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    News Flash:

    “Derek Jeter could consider a more limited role for the Yankees if doing so helped the team, his former manager Joe Torre suggests in an article by Brendan Kuty of NJ.com.”

    MLBTR

  9. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    MTU,

    We need a rested Blake to help the Yankees understand what they need to do. Have I mentioned I believe they should disband the 189 idea?

    Next year’s free agent class have very few decent offensive players. They can’t wait to add offense. It insures a run of second division finishes.

  10. pat November 17th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    For Yankees’ Sabathia, It Appears Less (Weight) Is Less (Success)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11.....ref=sports

  11. MTU November 17th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Mac-

    Yes. You have made that point abundantly clear.

    Many others feel exactly the same way.

    But what does Hal think ?

    ;)

  12. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    MTU,

    Amazingly, Hal hasn’t called to discuss details of my grand plan. He would leave the counting house. Should I send him a blackbird pie?

  13. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    –Wouldn’t leave–

  14. MTU November 17th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Mac-

    If he goes past 189 I’ll likely be the one eating Crow.

    I’m ready though.

    :)

  15. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    I’ll be eating the crow with you. It would taste like hope. I doubt it as much as you.

  16. Tar November 17th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    “For Yankees’ Sabathia, It Appears Less (Weight) Is Less (Success)”

    I have read that article a couple of times now, there is something about this that just doesn’t sit right with me.

    For one…. in the quest for performing better….It’s bad and cheating for players to take things like HGH because it may adversely affects their health, but it’s ok for a man and maybe desirable to stay overweight even though we know that adversely affects his health.

    He has also had some nagging injuries the last few years, as Pleasac mentions thrown 2700 innings,
    and is getting older. He may just as well have struggled and been overweight as not.

    I’m not buying it. CC obviously worked out ( he looks great) during his weight loss, so what is better for his health is better for the man and the team.

    Lets see what this year brings for CC.

  17. MTU November 17th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Next year the money spigot opens so there will likely be only one more year of belt tightening either way.

    :)

  18. MTU November 17th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Hike day today.

    Getting ready soon.

  19. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    I would hope that Jeter approaches his last playing days with grace as it pertains to potential shifting roles. In this manner he will be able to go forth with a full heart. Such a player is in a special place, moreso as a Yankee, but it does require the individual to come to a reflective outlook. Being a celebrity itself is a strange societal notion fueled by fans, but the chance to leave in grace does exist. There are many outside fans such as myself who hope Derek’s final days are of a positive nature in a Yankee uniform, simply because mlb needs more good stories especially for young watching individuals. Kids are certainly getting bombarded with enough media garbage created by my generation, they need all the mentors they can get. I don’t know anything about who Derek Jeter the person is, I just marvel at the #s, and really, all that Jeter has to do is quietly conduct himself.

  20. mick November 17th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    mills, who is your ghostwriter?

  21. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    MTU,

    Look at the 2015 free agents. Very few to open the spigot for.

  22. Madrugador November 17th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Brendan Ryan being signed to back up short stop? Color me unimpressed. Does that mean Nunie goes on the trading block?

    Chad-isn’t your girlfriend a Yankees fan too?

  23. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    mick, I can’t reveal the name, but as you can see, there is room for improvement :)

  24. Tar November 17th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Very eloquent jmills.

    The perfect way for him to go out is with another ring.

  25. blake November 17th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “Derek Jeter could consider a more limited role for the Yankees if doing so helped the team, his former manager Joe Torre suggests in an article by Brendan Kuty of NJ.com.”

    I thought Jeter was the most selfish player ever and calls all the shots?

  26. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Tar, thanks, I just think of my kid and I get in a mushy writing mode. I keep little objects around the house that are of no value or significance to others, but such items carry particular experiences with my daughter.

  27. Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    So the reason Jeter hasn’t been moved from SS is because the Yanks don’t want him to move?

    I don’t know which is worse.

  28. blake November 17th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Jeter hasn’t moved from SS because they haven’t had anybody better…..

  29. blake November 17th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    You cannt tell 1st ballot HOFer Derek Jeter he has to move for Eduardo Nunez

  30. Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    But it appears they haven’t even tried looking for someone better.

  31. tbone1570 November 17th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    jmills November 17th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Kids are certainly getting bombarded with enough media garbage created by my generation, they need all the mentors they can get. I don’t know anything about who Derek Jeter the person is, I just marvel at the #s, and really, all that Jeter has to do is quietly conduct himself.

    ****************************************
    Not many mega superstars around today that are also role models too, we’ve been fortunate to be able to call Jeter “ours”. As I understand it, he is just as good a person as his reputation suggests.

  32. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Truthfully, we don’t know what Jeter’s attitude will be. I suspect he will consider himself the starting SS until it is clear to himself he can’t do it. Pride is a powerful feeling which has been critical in his achieving success.

    He certainly does not want to embarrass himself or look selfish. It is a difficult issue. I think Ryan will play at least half the games at short.

    Trade Nunie? We don’t like him as an infielder. Why would anyone else give up any value for him?

  33. UpState November 17th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    So if Nunez would ‘be on the trading block…..

    ….seriously – who the heck would want him ?

    (would ANY club be willing to trade us ANYTHING for him ?)

  34. Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Jeter on one ankle at 40 yrs old is still better than Nunez. But as you know, there are quality shortstops available right now.

  35. blake November 17th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Giuseppe Franco says:
    November 17, 2013 at 10:51 am
    But it appears they haven’t even tried looking for someone better.

    I guess….to be fair Jeter was really good in 2012 though and SSs aren’t exactly easy to find.

  36. pat November 17th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Because Joe Torre says it, doesn’t make it so.

  37. Tar November 17th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    “Jeter hasn’t moved from SS because they haven’t had anybody better…..”

    Bingo. And not to mention they have more pressing problems at the moment.

  38. blake November 17th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Giuseppe Franco says:
    November 17, 2013 at 10:54 am
    Jeter on one ankle at 40 yrs old is still better than Nunez. But as you know, there are quality shortstops available right now.

    Supposedly…..they really should be trying to get one this winter. Should be a real priority

  39. DONNYBROOK November 17th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    You people that continue to savage Nunez, need to look over the MLB landscape and see what is out there regarding utility IF’ers.

  40. 86w183 November 17th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Good morning all —-

    Just a brief stop by for me today…

    Until they know what Jeter can and cannot do it would be foolish to invest limited resources on a SS replacement. There are MUCH more pressing needs to tend to like the departure of three starters and the closer, absence of offense at C, power shortage at RF…….

  41. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    If they want a SS, Drew is out there. He is far better than any alternatives. It won’t happen. No way.

    Texas seems to be very much in on McCann. We will have to spend real money to get him. Every good player is going to have a lot of competition. It’s a bad year for the Yankees to have all the teams have extra money. They did know that last year but ignored it.

    If anyone thinks they can go cheaply this year and spend next, look at the free agent list. The good ones, like Kershaw, will never make it. Either upgrade this year for the long term or pay severe consequences for the years ahead.

  42. DONNYBROOK November 17th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    NO WAY the Yanks would sign Jeet for $12 Mill in early Nov, and then create a hornets nest by ordering him to vacate the SS position. They would basically be shelling out $12 Mill for a PR Migraine. Common sense has deserted the blog today.

  43. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Closer is the last issue they need to work on. They have to build a team that can get a lead first. I think left side of the infield is far more fundamentally needed.

    Don’t get me wrong, I would love bullpen help. But, if they have little money, it has to be spent elsewhere.

  44. tucker November 17th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Interesting column from Harper. His premise: even if the Yanks agree to spend again this offseason, they may not outbid other teams this offseason. Rangers will be flush with cash from their new TV deal and Dodgers have made Tanaka their No. 1 priority:

    At least that’s the opinion of at least a few agents and executives who came away from last week’s GM meetings convinced that the bidding will be fierce for Brian McCann, Carlos Beltran and Masahiro Tanaka, who appear to be the Yankees’ three top targets.

    “Honestly, I’m not sure the Yankees will get any of those guys,” one agent said. “The teams that are in on those guys have big money to spend and it’s not the way it used to be, where the Yankees could just go higher than everybody else.
    “Well, maybe they can, because they still have a financial advantage on everybody except maybe the Dodgers, but I don’t think they will because they’re dealing with the luxury-tax issue.”
    How does that translate specifically?
    In the case of McCann, the Braves’ lefty-hitting catcher whose power would play well in Yankee Stadium, baseball people believe the Rangers want him badly enough to match or exceed practically any offer the Yankees might make.
    “They have a new TV deal that quadruples their local (TV) money,” one baseball executive said. “And they might be trading off money in (Ian) Kinsler or (Elvis) Andrus. If McCann is the guy they want, I’ll bet they’ll go to the mat to get him.”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z2kv4fjWpq

  45. DONNYBROOK November 17th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    So an agent is saying the Yanks do Not have anything sewed up on any player, in order to keep teams actively bidding on free agents and thus driving the prices on players up. Is there a revelation here somewhere???

  46. Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    DONNYBROOK November 17th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    NO WAY the Yanks would sign Jeet for $12 Mill in early Nov, and then create a hornets nest by ordering him to vacate the SS position. They would basically be shelling out $12 Mill for a PR Migraine. Common sense has deserted the blog today.

    ——

    Common sense deserted the front office when they signed a 40 yr old shortstop who has serious injury concerns to a RAISE when they are on a strict budget and didn’t have to.

  47. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Tucker,

    I read that article. Depressing and probably accurate. I don’t see Hal outbidding others on the top guys. I hope he proves me wrong, but I think they hoped for early discounted signings before the market got out of control. Didn’t happen and won’t.

  48. Shame Spencer November 17th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    At least that’s the opinion of at least a few agents and executives who came away from last week’s GM meetings convinced that the bidding will be fierce for Brian McCann, Carlos Beltran and Masahiro Tanaka, who appear to be the Yankees’ three top targets.

    “Honestly, I’m not sure the Yankees will get any of those guys,” one agent said.

    ——————–

    They put themselves in a beggars position where they’ll probably need to overspend by a truck-load to get any of these guys. Just don’t see it happening.. but no fear folks, Hal will simply say they put their best foot forward and just couldn’t get anyone to agree to the terms they were willing to offer.

  49. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Forgive we blog members who wonder if Jeter can play short and question spending the evidently precious and limited money on a player that may or may not be able to significantly contribute.

    What we recommend is what we believe they should do. I don’t think they will do anything I suggest.

  50. Shame Spencer November 17th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    They gotta find a 3B or SS via trade. That’s the only way I see them getting a quality one. Get whatever player is better, regardless of what position he plays on the left side.

  51. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Shame,

    We will be told the Yankees shrewdly avoided any bad contracts while swooping in on Ryan. Some fans will buy it as some fans applauded the brilliant two year Ichiro deal last year.

  52. tucker November 17th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    It certainly doesn’t look good for their top targets. Then again, is that such a bad thing? At least they’ll keep their top pick.

    It seems the Yanks financial prudence over the past three offseason has out them in a tremendously difficult position now.

  53. 86w183 November 17th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    austinmac —-

    You are ignoring common sense. They already have $ 45.5 M committed to the left side of the infield. It would be insanity to spend significant additional (and limited) resources on insurance over there. Long term, absolutely it’s a problem. But right now, the other priorities NEED to be addressed.

    Short term I’d try to sign Peralta because he can play SS, 3B, LF or DH so his versatility would be valuable no matter how the other situations play out.

    Gotta go make some money… have a day all!

  54. 86w183 November 17th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    final thought —-

    I also have significant doubts about whether or not Derek Jeter will be able to return to his 2012 form. It just doesn’t make any sense (to me) to do anything until we know the answer to that question.

    now I’m gone

    have a day!

  55. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    I would be happy with Peralta. They will do Ryan instead. What makes no sense is to have a completely unknown or unproductive left side of the infield and pretend you are competing.

  56. tucker November 17th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Peralta reportedly is looking for big money. So he probably will price himself out of the Yanks budget. Ryan will be the guy.

    I’m genuinely curious who the Yanks get to fill 400 innings. I’ve been one of Hal’s biggest critics, but if the posting fee bids surpass 75 million (which I think the Dodgers will), I’d have to question spending that kind of money … Yanks big prize may be someone like Nolasco.

  57. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Nolasco may sign before we get involved. MLBTR says the Twins are hot after him. In the meantime, we are figuring out how much is in the checking account.

  58. pat November 17th, 2013 at 11:38 am

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  59. AAA November 17th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    I don’t see Hal outbidding others on the top guys

    ========================

    Aside from Tanaka and Cano, I wouldn’t want him outbidding teams. There are going to be some disastrous contracts given out this winter and McCann, Choo, and Ellsbury will lead the pack.

  60. Hankflorida November 17th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    If anyone thinks they can go cheaply this year and spend next, look at the free agent list. The good ones, like Kershaw, will never make it. Either upgrade this year for the long term or pay severe consequences for the years ahead.

    Austinmac, I agree with the need to upgrade or suffer the consequences, but letting go of Granderson compounds the problem as if he joins Soriano and Gardener, it will be a much better alternative to Suzuki/Welles. By not standing with the pieces that the Yankees now have by not signing Cano will also put them in a bind, but if they sign him, their upgrade could be at catcher, a left handed DH and pitching, pitching, pitching.

  61. AAA November 17th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    I’m genuinely curious who the Yanks get to fill 400 innings.

    ==========================

    They really need Kuroda to come back for a year. Hopefully he will. That solves half the issue. Beyond that, I’d prioritize Tanaka and Garza (no comp) in that order.

  62. Tar November 17th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Because of my perception of the importance of the catching position …. I really want them to go after McCann.

    I also think he will be the perfect bridge to Sanchez and JR.

    Other than Cano, the C position would be my top priority.

  63. Shame Spencer November 17th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    tucker has it right. Peralta will come on a shorter term deal but right now, just looking at the market, there’s no reason why he shouldn’t get a hefty sum for his services.

    The reality that a lot of people can’t seem to come to terms with is that to get talent it’s going to cost money. There won’t be many bargains in this market that aren’t reclamation projects.

  64. AAA November 17th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    I also think he will be the perfect bridge to Sanchez and JR.

    ===============================

    Do they need a 5 year bridge to Sanchez/JR? Or are you figuring McCann’s a DH in the 2nd half of his contract?

  65. Tar November 17th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    AAA

    DH

  66. AAA November 17th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Tar:

    That seems to be the consensus on McCann. Most seem to believe he is an everyday C for only 2-3 more seasons.

  67. Tar November 17th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    AAA

    Yep, and a BUC / DH for the last couple of years.

  68. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Hank,

    Granderson’s power would be fine with me, but the Yankees don’t seem to have him high on their list. He may move up it when they realize the prices of the others.

    The Yankees have done many questionable contracts over the years because they sought to spend the money needed to win. Now, it seems with the support of some fans, say they can’t pay what others pay. Accept that and accept mediocrity or worse for a long time. Do people not realize free agency is the only place for the team to add players?

    They have little to trade or promote. Either give out contracts that reflect market value or shut up with the we will compete stuff. Competing means competing for free agents. We will see if they will compete. I think they will compete enough to lose out on the players. Oh, joy for prudence and losing teams.

  69. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Tar,

    On the offensive side, I agree McCann can provide the most help. A catcher that can hit gives a team a big advantage as they are rare. Plus, we have a lot of room for improvement there. That said, I doubt we will win the bidding, especially if it concludes before the AROD decision.

  70. Tar November 17th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Mac

    on the offensive side

    I am just a firm believer in the importance of having an above average up the middle…… and that starts with the catcher.

    Cano and McCann would be two important pieces to help establish that. As for the other two spots… what GGBG lacks in power he makes up for in speed, defense and salary. Jeter is Jeter and his last full year was phenomenal, so I am ready to go war with him.

    Add a corner OF with pop, get a healthy Tex and Alex back and I think you have something.

  71. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Tar,

    I was with you until you said get Alex back. First, I believe, for no real reason, he will get at least 100 games. Second, I think his better days are long gone. He looks like a 15 homer, .260 guy to me. Far better than what we have otherwise, but no longer a real threat.

    I agree on catcher and corner OF with power is a must. Add Peralta, Freese or someone we can count on to play and I will be thrilled.

  72. tucker November 17th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    The Hal-led Yankees have tried to walk a dual path over the past few years. On one hand, they tell the fan base that their top goal is to compete for a championship. But in reality, that has been marketing. They have shunned the free agent market because they have refused to sign long-term deals. Never fear, they tell the fans, they will field a championship-caliber club.

    Their core players have been so talented that they have been able to compete for division titles without significant reinforcements (other than short-term deals with old pitchers). But that core is no longer competitive because of age, retirement or injuries. And there is no easy way out through the free agent market because there are plenty of other hungry teams with cash.

  73. Hankflorida November 17th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Austinmac, History is on your side as the Yankees have always brought in established players from other teams in order to close the deal on their championships. It is much more pertinent today to utilize the free agent market as the farm system cannot fill the void especially on the offense. We were not satisfied with the blueprint that Hal gave us for this year, and we shall soon know his plans for next year. My hope is that optimism will prevail before Spring is in the air.

  74. Tar November 17th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Mac

    Even if it is 100 games, look at the difference in the line-up when he came back and was healthy for that short period last year.

    Sori never got it going until Alex came back. I don’t think that was a coincidence. Hell A short suspension might even rejuvenate him.

    Is he the game changer he once was, no. But I have no doubt that the line-up will be a whole lot better with than without him.

  75. TheStraw November 17th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    It’s clear they think Jeter will play the majority of games at SS. It’s clear that if they sign Ryan it is for nothing more than to give the Cap more days off or DH days and to provide late inning defensive help. There are many holes, why ware the money on a SS when you have one signed for a year? Anyone who thinks Jete will look like last year, well, I’ll take that bet right now that he will be much closer to his usual self.

  76. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Tar,

    He is much better, when healthy, than we have. No doubt. He still causes concerns for opposing teams. He is still better than league average, again, if healthy. It seems logical his leg problems are somehow connected with hip issues. For varying reasons, I don’t see how you can reasonably rely on anything from eligibility to jealth to production.

    He is, if he can play, far better than our catcher, DH and RF spots.

  77. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    ” Every time that I look in the mirror, all these lines in my face getting clearer ”

    How the hell did Aerosmith manifest such a great song?

  78. Tar November 17th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    “How the hell did Aerosmith manifest such a great song?”

    Good drugs?

    Just a guess. :D

  79. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Tar, with regards to, Aerosmith, one can definitely make the ” good ” drug argument.

  80. David in Cal November 17th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    IMHO the Yanks will need to spend substantial money just to win as many games as they did in 2013. I’ve more or less given up on the Yanks making the post-season in 2014. What I do want to see is a plan to become good again.

  81. Tar November 17th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    jmills

    I was just listening to this song:

    She’s filing her nails while they’re dragging the lake. ( love that line)

    A favorite of J Alfred and Nick.

    Name that tune no cheating

  82. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Tar, Jesus Christ, I don’t know; sounds like something my Sylvia Plath would offer.

  83. Tar November 17th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    jmills

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO_sDtI2bYk

  84. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    http://r15—sn-tt17rn7d.c.....&mv=m

  85. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    ” Watching the detectives ” live, with my man, Sting, who was nice enough to kiss my sister :D

  86. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    http://r19—sn-tt17rn7k.c.....&mv=m

    Anybody who says Rush are a bombastic so and sos can’t stick it!

  87. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    I guess I meant to convey, ” can stick it ” who’s counting, Keith Moon? I was lucky to grow up with, Rush; they would come on the local rock station, thank their families, and try to explain how they were taking french lesson to stave off boredom.

  88. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    http://r3—sn-ux3n588t-mj.....&mv=m

    I like Max Roach, Neil Peart and Bill Bruford and all, but Moon certainly had a place all his own.

  89. tomingeorgia November 17th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Something big will happen before the Winter Meeting. For us, who knows?

  90. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Tom, hi my friend, I’m busy digging up Dave Stieb for next year. I’ve got my poppy on for the whole month of November, I understand you Americans don’t currently pin such things on, even though, apparently, America started the red poppy observation.

  91. tomingeorgia November 17th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    jmills,
    I wear a poppy, too. Problem is, not too many people remember why I’m doing it.

  92. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Tom, you may have heard, there’s a stupid insipid movement that declares if you wear a red poppy you’re for war ( this same group mindlessly advocates ” white ” poppies ). Last time I checked, the red poppy was on me out of pure thanks.

  93. tomingeorgia November 17th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    jmills,
    There are enough stupid movements out there for any conceivable cause. Never heard of the “white poppy” one, though. There may be some who’ve been a war who “like” it. There’s something about the experience, though, that can’t be duplicated, unless there’s a line of work where you have to trust your instincts, friends and training to stay vertical.

  94. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Tom, I hear you, I just can’t stand these groups who go off on a bender, logic devoid.

  95. pete2 November 17th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    No way any good free agent SS signs with the Yankees unless Jeter publicly states he is fine with moving if its best for the team. Nobody wants to come if they will be the cause of Jeter being moved against his will, that would be an uncomfortable situation that nobody would want to be in.

  96. tomingeorgia November 17th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    blake,
    Did you see that explosion from Homestead? Never seen anything like it, ever.

  97. MTU November 17th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    What are you talking about Mister Tom ?

  98. tomingeorgia November 17th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Mister MTU,
    Should have phrased it differently, I guess. The final NASCAR race of the season. A car started showing sparks underneath, burst into flame, went into the pits. Guys came out with fire extinguishers, sprayed up under the car, while the tire changers waited close by. The right rear tire exploded, blew off the entire wheel, broke out all the glass in the race car. Guys went running every which way. Mirabile dictu, nobody got a scratch. Never seen anything like it, and I’ve watched a lot of NASCAR.

  99. MTU November 17th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Thanks Tom.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    “Derek Jeter could consider a more limited role for the Yankees if doing so helped the team, his former manager Joe Torre suggests in an article by Brendan Kuty of NJ.com”

    Et tu, “Mr. Torre?”

    LMAO!!!

    Tickets for Joe’s next fund raiser can be found here: http://www.google.com/imgres?i.....d=0CAIQsCU

  101. mick November 17th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood….

  102. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Yes, mick, its a beautiful day in the effing neighbourhood :D

  103. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    As for NASCAR, I don’t know what Danica Patrick has against, Jacques Villeneuve, the guy is an obvious champion.

  104. MTU November 17th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Chad must be taking the day off today.

    ;)

  105. chicken_stanley November 17th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Good evening all. Did I miss anything the last couple of days?

  106. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    MTU, Chad deserves a break today, hi chicken! ( Gilles Villeneuve, rules )

  107. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    “The guy really wants to testify,” the source told ESPNNewYork.com on Thursday night. “He’s dying to tell his side of the story. But his head is all clogged up right now.”

    _______________

    :lol: @ this!!!

    My case is I have no case, your honor.

    So you get 211 chump.

  108. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    I am so happy that Gilles’ son, Jacques, won Indy and then, ’97 F1 over that Schumacher dick who tried to cut him off. After all, I’m Canadian, eh!

  109. chicken_stanley November 17th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    Hi jmills! I was just looking at MLB trade rumors… there’s a report that the Jays are weighing the possibility of trading Bautista for pitching help? Whats your take on that?

  110. mick November 17th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    Love the Mayor mills…

  111. mick November 17th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/4183

  112. mick November 17th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    Long Live Farley

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1PUhcqBg98

  113. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    Gilles died in a time trial ( not Jochen Mass’ fault ). The race prior, so called ” teammate ” Didier Pironi defied common team orders and overtook Villeneuve for the win. Gilles was rightly inflammed. Villeneuve spent the ’79 season supporting Jodi Scheckter as the #2 driver and knew not to supplant the fact. Gilles had no problem coming second or third in a good hard race, but Pironi overstepped common courtesy. Gilles went to the podium, but his body language said it all. I do think his emotions were on his sleeve during that next fatal time trial in Belgium.

  114. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    I could be mayor, no prob.

  115. mick November 17th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    fat guy in a little coat

  116. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    Chicken, thing is, I want Dave Stieb for Bautista.

  117. mick November 17th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    he lives in a van down by the river

  118. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    mick, god bless Chris Farley.

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    :lol: @ this!!!

    My case is I have no case, your honor.

    So you get 211 chump.”

    :D

    ****************

    mick, you a big Torre fan? I didn’t get the “beautiful day in the neighborhood” comment. Care to elaborate?

  120. pkyankfan69 November 17th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    I’m an outside salesman in manufacturing and my dad doesn’t own the a company but he did get me into the industry… Other than being a fatty my friends think I am Chris Farley’s character in Tommy Boy… Not a bad comparison, he pretty much rules.

  121. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    I hated, Mr Rogers, after getting spoiled on the Hilarious House of Frankenstein, I was ruined.

  122. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Pky, sir Farley ( better than big ears who decimated a young trusting, Lady Di ).

  123. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    http://r9—sn-tt17rn7r.c......&mv=m

    Hilarious

  124. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    So Alex made no attempt whatsoever to reduce his penalty?

    Is Horowitz supposed to just magically reduce it with no defense? No testimony from the defense?

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    The defense will get the opportunity to make opening and closing statements, cross examine plaintiff witnesses, and call their own witnesses. Knowing Tacopina, he’ll throw everything at the wall hoping something sticks.

  126. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    http://r1—sn-tt17rn7d.c......&mv=m

    For what its worth

  127. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Lady Gaga was the host of SNL last night and as part of her opening monologue she did a spoof medley of songs on getting applause, and part of it was a chorus line danced to NY NY. Hearing that actually made me sad. Such a proud song, almost exclusive rights belonging to us Yankee fans.

    :(

    I’m ready for some heavy duty Yankee re-emergence and Yankee dominance.

    Come on Hal and Hank. Give it to us!

  128. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    http://r8—sn-ux3n588t-mj.....&mv=m

    New York, New York ( which is really olde, Toronto )

  129. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Trisha,

    So basically Alex is ducking behind his attorneys because they know how to talk without speaking words that may be interpreted as lies. And so basically he has nothing substantive to say, only lies to craft into some monkey show.

    I think we get 162 games.

  130. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Poor Alex, you are so misunderstood. Tell us Alex, take the stand and tell the world your story, tell your fans how MLB wronged you and how everyone is out to destroy your life. Now is your time to set the record straight.

    Errrrrr get a cold or something

  131. tomingeorgia November 17th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Just get the hearing over. They’re supposed to go non-stop until it is. Bret, you been inside the room?

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    jmills – thank you for that!

    I have tears streaming down my cheeks.

    That’s my team and I love it with every fiber of my being. I am so proud to be a Yankee fan, so proud to be a fan of the pinstripes. I’m proud to be a fan of the first-, second-, third-, fourth-, whatever place Yankees.

    That song just does something to me every time I hear it. You can’t be a Yankee fan and hear NY NY and not have some kind of bonded feeling as part of the greatest franchise in the history of organized sports.

    This past season was definitely aberrant. Whatever the reason, we never really had a chance to sit back and enjoy it for very long stretches.

    I didn’t love our team any less. But I did miss hearing Frankie belt it out on a regular basis at the end of the game.

    I’m missing baseball already!

  133. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    “Trisha,

    So basically Alex is ducking behind his attorneys because they know how to talk without speaking words that may be interpreted as lies. And so basically he has nothing substantive to say, only lies to craft into some monkey show.

    I think we get 162 games.”

    Bret, that’s about it. My real belief is that Alex was going to admit the truth (that he used and got illegal stuff from Boesch) but that he wasn’t willing to lose the $$$$ that he would have if he accepted MLB’s recommended penalty, so he was fighting that part of it. If he were going to deny, he would have done it immediately, the way Gio Gonzalez did. But he never did that – to his credit. Per usual, however, he got some bad advice from some back-room schlocks and listened to them and ended up with Tacopina. At that point, there was no turning back. The whole PR horror show started with Tacopina summoning the New York Times and giving them an exclusive interview. Then there were the lawsuits against MLB and against Dr. Ahmad. Tacopina was doing everything to deflect and Arod is too dumb to understand it, so he sat back and let it happen. Once Tacopina got caught with his pants down on the Today show, Arod issued an “heroic” cease and desist order because the only thing he wanted to do was play ball and help the Yankees win. That was doublespeak for “My side is looking like real dog crap now that my slick attorney got beat at his own game, so let’s quickly shut down the whole thing for now.

    He’s in way over his head. I’d be happy to see an entire season out of the game and then a buy-out if necessary.

    The other guys who got caught took their penalty and some of them actually admitted. He’s the only egomaniacal fool who pushed for arbitration, blowing off the union’s suggestion that he take a suspension, despite the fact that there are records of him paying off Boesch’s attorney. How can he deny after doing that?

    Oh what a tangled web…

  134. tbone1570 November 17th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Poor Alex, you are so misunderstood. Tell us Alex, take the stand and tell the world your story, tell your fans how MLB wronged you and how everyone is out to destroy your life. Now is your time to set the record straight.

    ***********************
    I guess we may have to wait until A-Rod writes his “tell all” book

  135. mick November 17th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    anybody seen this spoof?

    > https://vimeo.com/77336211

  136. mick November 17th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    try it now, let me know

    http://vimeo.com/77336211

  137. mick November 17th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    It’s called The Chronicles of Arod and is hilarious.

  138. mick November 17th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    wang dang doodle

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k43JnBxyZyE

  139. jacksquat November 17th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Trisha, the players union recommended he appeal, they said the length of the suspension was excessive.

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    jacksquat, the players union recommended he accept a suspension, and he blew them off. That’s what I read. Let me see if I can find the article.

  141. mick November 17th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    good nite all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6tjJ7FqfyI

  142. AAA November 17th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    the players union recommended he accept a suspension

    =============

    “For the player appealing, Alex Rodriguez, we agree with his decision to fight his suspension. We believe that the commissioner has not acted appropriately under the basic agreement. Mr. Rodriguez knows that the union, consistent with its history, will defend his rights vigorously,” Michael Weiner, the executive director of the Major League Baseball Players Association, said in a statement Monday

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Rodriguez’s lawyers wrote in the letter that the union had failed to “fairly represent his interests.”

    The letter said that during a radio interview Aug. 6, the union’s executive director, Michael Weiner, said he had advised Rodriguez at some point to accept a suspension of an unknown length. These remarks, the letter said, compromised Rodriguez’s legal battle.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde....._odds.html

  144. mick November 17th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    a more modern version by its author Carole King, with James Taylor

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSJ3dOn1dFg

  145. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    “the players union recommended he accept a suspension”

    Mr. Rodriguez knows that the union, consistent with its history, will defend his rights vigorously,” Michael Weiner, the executive director of the Major League Baseball Players Association, said in a statement Monday

    :)

    which Monday?

    You guys continue to be short on research…

  146. jacksquat November 17th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Weiner recommended he accept if it were a certain length, he did not disclose a specific number, but said 211 was excessive.

    Don’t be so biased that you make up your own facts.

  147. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    And what exactly would you expect the players’ union to say after one of its members rejected its recommendation? “What a kook. I hope MLB gets him good!”?

    Of course they will continue to defend one of their members, and of course they will publicly back him as well.

    The fact remains the head of that union recommended that he accept a suspension. That means they felt the evidence was compelling.

    Time to wake up and smell the coffee boys. Start connecting some dots here!

  148. AAA November 17th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    You guys continue to be short on research…

    ================

    Just as you are short on context. From the day after the radio interview:

    Updated Aug 7, 2013 5:17 PM ET

    The head of baseball’s players association has some choice words for the suspension doled out to Alex Rodriguez.

    Michael Weiner let his feelings be known while speaking on the Dan Patrick Show on Tuesday. And Weiner wasn’t too pleased.

    “We feel what [MLB Commissioner Bud Selig] did, frankly, was inappropriate and almost ridiculous,” he said. “Look at the penalties that have been [given] out and cases that have been decided by the commissioner’s office along with the Players Association. Nothing comes close to 211 games.”

    Rodriguez is currently playing with the Yankees while appealing the suspension. Rodriguez was the only player among the 13 suspended Monday who is appealing. The other 12 players agreed to the 50-game suspensions they received.

    In a separate interview Tuesday, Weiner said that if Major League Baseball had offered a certain number of games suspension, that he advised Rodriguez to agree to it. But that number was never offered.

    “I don’t want to give a number, but there was a number that I gave A-Rod and we advised him to take it,” Weiner told host Chris Russo on Sirius/XM’s Mad Dog Radio. “He was never given that number.”

  149. tbone1570 November 17th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Rodriguez’s lawyers wrote in the letter that the union had failed to “fairly represent his interests.”

    ****************************
    Would these be the same lawyers you say are scum and will do whatevr it takes to get A-Rod’s suspension cut?

  150. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Switching your story, jacksquat?

    Grow up. The union recommended he accept a suspension. He rejected that suggestion. He said PUBLICLY he was not accepting ANY suspension. PERIOD.

  151. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Sorry to yell, but IF WEINER RECOMMENDED HE TAKE A SUSPENSION, IT’S BECAUSE WEINER FELT HE WAS GUILTY.

    AROD’S TEAM HAD THE RIGHT TO GO AND ASK FOR THAT NUMBER AS A BARTERING TOOL. AROD SAID HE WOULD ACCEPT NO SUSPENSION.

    I’ll put it right out there. You guys might be able to skate circles around me with some of the intracacies of the game, but I can skate circles around you when it comes to researching a topic and actually understanding what the research means and putting it all together. In addition I can skate circles around you when it comes to legalities, understanding the games being played, and what the real deal is.

    My bias, whatever it may be, doesn’t get in the way of being able to intelligently put the pieces together.

    You guys, on the other hand, fly by the seats of your pants, wishing and praying.

    Don’t stop now.

  152. jacksquat November 17th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    “We feel what [MLB Commissioner Bud Selig] did, frankly, was inappropriate and almost ridiculous,”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ous-080713

  153. AAA November 17th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    My bias, whatever it may be, doesn’t get in the way of being able to intelligently put the pieces together

    ==============================

    Maybe your bias doesn’t, but something sure does.

  154. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    “Would these be the same lawyers you say are scum and will do whatevr it takes to get A-Rod’s suspension cut?”

    Another one.

    Let me break it down for you.

    YES.

    He doesn’t pay his union lawyers. He pays his scum lawyers big bucks. What did you expect them to say, take the suspension?

    You’re like little children when it comes to this. Acquaint yourself with the tactics of Joe Tacopina and then maybe I’ll talk to you.

    :roll:

  155. jacksquat November 17th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    trisha, you really should go for a mental exam, you are looney tunes.

    done debating with an irrational zealot.

  156. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    AAA is a perfect screen name for you. If you ever make it to the big leagues, I might look in your direction.

    I don’t get paid to bring you all up to speed. Keep living in your uneducated dream world. Talk to each other. You’re all on the same level with your half-baked take on what’s really going on.

    See ya now.

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    LMAO at jacksquat. Another appropriate screen name.

    By the way, I was done with you first.

  158. AAA November 17th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    AAA is a perfect screen name for you. If you ever make it to the big leagues, I might look in your direction

    ===================

    Yeah, my goal in life is to get a look in my direction from a self important blowhard who lives life on the fringes of sanity.

    Have a nice day.

  159. tbone1570 November 17th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    “Would these be the same lawyers you say are scum and will do whatevr it takes to get A-Rod’s suspension cut?”

    Another one.

    Let me break it down for you.

    YES.

    He doesn’t pay his union lawyers. He pays his scum lawyers big bucks. What did you expect them to say, take the suspension?

    You’re like little children when it comes to this. Acquaint yourself with the tactics of Joe Tacopina and then maybe I’ll talk to you.

    **********************
    LMAO

    it’s too easy, I should just continue to ignore…

  160. austinmac November 17th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    I am remembering Chad’s civility requirement about now.

  161. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    ” Wang dang doodle ” – pretty funny song as well as being great. mick, thanks.

  162. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Always great to hear from another country…

  163. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    http://r1—sn-p5qlsu7z.c......&mv=m

    Carole King and Slash, who would have thunk it?

  164. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    Bret – this was also in the NY Times.

    The letter argued that the players association had missed opportunities to challenge baseball officials’ aggressive investigative tactics; that the union had not strongly enough condemned baseball’s “gratuitous leaks” to the news media; and, most pointedly, that Michael Weiner, the union’s executive director, had publicly compromised Rodriguez’s position in a radio interview when he signaled that Rodriguez should have accepted some type of suspension “based on the evidence we saw.” Rodriguez and his personal lawyers have steadfastly maintained that Rodriguez should not have been suspended.

    So you have the experts in the game, the union lawyers, saying he should have accepted a suspension based on the evidence they saw (as I said) and the paid wh*res saying he shouldn’t have been suspended.

    I wonder if Arod will fire Tacopina at zero hour the way he fired Boras! Tacopina should have stuck to what he did best – defending murderers and corrupt cops.

    Arod is now way in over his head with this decision to testify or not show up.

    What a circus!

    :D

  165. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Innuendo towards Trisha being “crazy” or “biased” is sexism from wannabe hero-worshipping fans of Alex Rodriguez.

    Trisha understands the case.

    YOUR BOY shut his big fat mouth when provided with a chance to testify.

    Why?

    BECAUSE HE’S A BIG FAT LIAR

    His whole entire career is a SCAM

  166. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    looney tunes, irrational, insane….

    These are not words that describe Trisha’s comments on the case.

    The big choker IS CHOKING again.

  167. tbone1570 November 17th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Innuendo towards Trisha being “crazy” or “biased” is sexism from wannabe hero-worshipping fans of Alex Rodriguez.

    Trisha understands the case.

    YOUR BOY shut his big fat mouth when provided with a chance to testify.

    Why?

    BECAUSE HE’S A BIG FAT LIAR

    His whole entire career is a SCAM

    ******************************
    Bret,
    Not agreeing with everything Trisha says about the cases does not make someone an A-Rod
    supporter. I, for one, believe he is guilty and am hoping that he get’s the max suspension when the hearing is over.

  168. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    http://r1—sn-ux3n588t-mj.....&mv=m

    I was looking for an older concert of Tina and Brian, but this one will do.

  169. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    Bret, thanks. In the middle of the Clemens trial I said that I thought that his scumbag lawyer Harden had managed to throw in enough reasonable doubt in the defense portion of the case that Clemens might end up getting off. If I were letting my “bias” get in the way, I would have said that no matter what Harden did, Clemens was going to be convicted.

    There is no doubt that Clemens was guilty. The evidence was beyond compelling, hence his HOF vote. But Harden got in some testimony that was enough to help Clemens get off.

    It’s our system of “justice”, unfortunately.

  170. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Shame Rocket Roger, I’m taking, Greg Maddux.

  171. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    My #1 starter of all time is of course, Sandy. Bob Gibson is right there too ( don’t even think about conversing him on game day ). And if you want to make somebody sit down, Drysdale’s your man. In my time, Stieb wasn’t bad either, and got Rice rightly pissed one time. For longevity, I’m taking a Canadian as well, Fergie Jenkins, Mr six straight 20 win plus seasons. I’m too young for Walter Johnson, so forgive my bias.

  172. jacksquat November 17th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    Bret, why do have this need to make everything about sexism?

  173. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    Too bad Dustin McGowan didn’t hold up. There was a guy who could bring some serious heat. He’s still out there dancing around in relief. Go Dustin!, I need a #1 starter!!!

  174. jacksquat November 17th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    Which is especially odd coming from someone who also has the need to let the whole internet know about his womanizing.

  175. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 17th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    OT – for anyone with kids, or anyone who knows someone with kids, this is a phone number to Santa’s hotline. Very cute. 1-951-262-3062.

  176. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Holy crap, Trish, Santa scares me more now than ever. Its like Black Christmas and Margot Kidder all over again.

  177. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    ” All over again ” – Margot Kidder was also in the good little flick, ” the Reincarnation of Peter Proud “.

  178. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    For my #1 psycological film of all time, I’m giving the award to Steven Cronenburg’s, ” The Brood “, Oliver Reed is his usual something else. There’s a weird Polanski film called, ” the Tennant ” that I like too. Then of course we have to go down Mulholland Dr. The Shining had potential, but was ultimately too direct.

  179. jmills November 17th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    ” Psychological ” – I know how to spell the stupid word.

  180. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    womanizing is not a crime. It is merely an ethical challenge. It’s a weak spot of mine. I blame God.

  181. jmills November 18th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    http://r1—sn-tt17rn7d.c......&mv=m

    Leonard Cohen tips his hat to this one.

  182. pat November 18th, 2013 at 12:28 am

    MLB has had the floor since the arbitration hearing began so kind of knee jerk to presume what the defense will and won’t do before they have yet to call a witness.

  183. yankinvegas November 18th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    Maybe Alex will return from a 50-100 game suspension and put up big numbers. Why not? David Ortiz is a living, breathing exhibit A for how cheating can be rewarding and not punished.
    Something about the Cano negotiations is pissing me off. I know all about posturing and agent speak, but the amount of money being discussed here for a player that has never lead the league in anything is pretty much disgusting.
    On the only championship team he played on in 2009, if you count pitchers, the following guys were all more valuable than Cano : CC, Hughes, Rivera, Posada, Tex, Jeter, ARod and maybe Damon and Matsui.
    He is simply not worth more than 7 years @ 150 million. Maybe the Yankees would be better off letting him walk.
    I absolutely understand why Hal wants to get under the threshold. MLB last week again proved how much it hates the Yanks with the situation involving the posting of Japanese players. Nobody cared about the luxury tax when the Yankees weren’t involved with Darvish, but now these bloodsucking sob’s see an additional opportunity to drink from the Yankees’ trough.
    I’m getting really close to saying the hell with baseball and just remember the 7 WS titles and 12 AL pennants that I have seen since 1964. Plus all the great players and moments I have witnessed in person and on TV.

  184. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 1:58 am

    “MLB has had the floor since the arbitration hearing began so kind of knee jerk to presume what the defense will and won’t do before they have yet to call a witness.”

    :)

    I don’t know anyone who is “presuming” anything. I do know that Bret and I were discussing what the defense will have the opportunity to do when it is the defense’s turn. Typically the plaintiff has the floor first in a hearing so that is hardly noteworthy.

    Knowledge is power. Opening and closing statements, cross-examining witnesses, and calling witnesses is basic stuff.

    Knee jerk is calling something knee jerk that is actually formulaic.

  185. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 2:02 am

    yankinvegas, here’s where my naivete/idealism/optimism kicks in to high gear. I totally believed that Cano would go so far as to give the Yanks a hometown discount if necessary to stay in pinstripes.

    Oh well.

  186. RhapsodyInBlue November 18th, 2013 at 6:35 am

    yankinvegas

    I agree with your point regarding the small teams trying to change the bidding process now that the Yankees have shown more than a mere interest in Tanaka.

    Yeah and it was ok to let Dice-K go to the Sox.

    Pittsburgh of all teams doing the b@tching. Put fannies in the seats, put some money into your organization and shut up.

  187. austinmac November 18th, 2013 at 7:42 am

    I can feel the excitement building for another week of AROD news. Just let it end.

  188. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    i actually agree with the pirates and others that any posting fee should count against the luxury tax. $50M+ spent to aquire a player should count. it is unfair to the small market and low revenue teams.

  189. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    i actually agree with the pirates and others that any posting fee should count against the luxury tax. $50M+ spent to aquire a player should count. it is unfair to the small market and low revenue teams.

    ===============================

    Unfair or not, it’s not going to happen without re-opening the CBA, and the MLBPA certainly wouldn’t agree to such a deal. Pirates ownership is spitting into the wind on this one.

  190. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    I can feel the excitement building for another week of AROD news. Just let it end.

    =======================

    Barring an unlikely settlement, the Yankees won’t have their answer until a little before Christmas it looks like. Upside is they’re looking to get all testimony in before Thanksgiving, but then the arbitrator apparently will need 3-4 weeks to make a ruling.

  191. austinmac November 18th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    The more I read from Cano’s rep the more it seems likely he was gone. He talks of Cano’s brand. He’s a great player, but not a face of the franchise guy.

  192. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    ‘opening the cba’ is not all that hard when both sides are in agreement. i believe the umps had to agree to changes for the upcoming video replay changes and there was talk the past couple of years of changing the cba to make ped players ineligable for postseason or the ASG.

    I’m not saying they will change it, because the teams that benefit from the rule will be against it. im just saying i think it would be the right thing to do.

  193. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    The more I read from Cano’s rep the more it seems likely he was gone. He talks of Cano’s brand. He’s a great player, but not a face of the franchise guy.

    ========================

    The Yankees need great players and as long as Jeter is around, there’s no question who the face of the franchise is.

    I think Cano’s representation is merely doing their job. A lot of this noise is about stimulating his market as the winter meetings draw near, IMO.

  194. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    i kinda feel bad for the arbitrator. if he rules against arod you know he’s going to be personally sued and have to defend himself in court against a crazy mega-millionaire with dozens of lawyers.

  195. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    ‘opening the cba’ is not all that hard when both sides are in agreement

    =======================

    Absolutely. Problem here though is that there is no way that there will be agreement on this.

  196. Shame Spencer November 18th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    I love that the people that are most annoyed by Arod are the ones that spend the most time talking about him.

    mac – What’s does a ‘face of a franchise’ player constitute if being the best player at your position in the league isn’t enough?

    I mean.. if people want to talk themselves out of Cano that’s fine.. but splitting hairs over whether he’s just a great player vs. a franchise player is a waste of time, IMO.

  197. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    you’d have to pay me to read anything any agent is saying about the f/a players they represent.

  198. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    i kinda feel bad for the arbitrator. if he rules against arod you know he’s going to be personally sued and have to defend himself in court against a crazy mega-millionaire with dozens of lawyers.

    ======================================

    Similarly, if he rules in Rodriguez’s favor, he stands to be fired by MLB like the guy in the Braun case was.

    There’s a lot of room for a happy medium here, IMO. I don’t think anyone doubts Rodriguez is guilty of something, but at the same time there was no reason for he and the MLBPA to fight the seemingly capricious nature of MLB’s punishment. I assume it’s within the arbitrator’s purview to uphold the suspension at a reduced level, say 100 games.

  199. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    “Absolutely. Problem here though is that there is no way that there will be agreement on this.”
    ==========================================
    this is true now, but it seemed that just a week or so ago there was a general assumption around baseball that the proposed posting changes would go into effect almost immediately once the japanese leagues signed-off.
    did the big-market teams miss the implications as this proposal moved forward then suddenly change thier minds and pull the proposal or did the mlbpa go along with it then suddenly threaten try to push for other changes in the cba in the process of amending the cba?

  200. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    *but at the same time there was no reason for he and the MLBPA NOT to fight the seemingly capricious nature of MLB’s punishment

  201. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Y’s:

    I don’t believe the posting system itself is subject to the CBA, as it’s an agreement between MLB and the Japanese leagues. But any change to the the luxury tax system would require a re-opening of the CBA.

  202. austinmac November 18th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    I read in one of the local papers last week the union would not agree to re-open the CBA as required since it impacts salaries and the cap. It seems the only choice is to not post this year or not have it count toward the cap.

  203. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    aaa good point.

    however, the facinating thing about this whole posting fee change situation is why mlb suddenly pulled the proposal. it seems like they suddenly changed thier minds and made an about face just at the last moment.

  204. austinmac November 18th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    I think the current dispute is about the cap while the tentative agreement dealt with the amount of money the Japanese team would get. Different issues as far as I know.

  205. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Y’s:

    My take on the episode last week involving Levine and the guy from the Pirates represented much ado about nothing and that the new posting agreement will be wrapped up soon.

  206. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    an interesting question about the arbitration process to me is, how much, if any, does precidence count in an arbitration hearing.

    ryan braun got suspended for more than 50 games on his first jda violation (also without a failed drug test) and accepted the suspension without appealing. had he appealed, would that result, either way it turned out, have locked in the arbitrator to accept a longer suspension in a similar cases?

    and how much, if any, does the precident that braun is suspended for more than 50 games for a similar violation count in the arod appeal?

  207. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    aaa
    i read that mlb pulled the proposal entirely and will move forward under the exsisting system. i did not read anything about reworking and resubmitting it.

    granted i havent read that much about it, but i didnt see any references to another attempt to make changes to the system right away.

  208. mick November 18th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    beautiful day in the neighborHud…

  209. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    sports reporting and baseball reporting in particular are very weak when it comes to covering non playing situations. all these different aspects of the proposed deal that fell through, the big-revenue/small revenue thing, the mlbpa’s angle, and the attitudes of the japanese teams are all very involved, yet im having trouble finding any source that ties it all together. you have to find 20 different sources each of which covers a fragment and try to piece the big picture together yourself.

  210. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    i said it the other day, and its true today again: ‘its gonna be a beautiful day for baseball at the big ballyard in the bronx…

    …let’s play two!

  211. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    im just catching up on the lesser publicized hot stove news and i see matt wieters being mentioned as someone who may be moved in a trade.

    im shocked that the orioles are dangling him. they have always seemed to think he’s so much better than he’s always looked to me.

    i wonder if buck signed off on this idea…

  212. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    im shocked that the orioles are dangling him. they have always seemed to think he’s so much better than he’s always looked to me.

    i wonder if buck signed off on this idea…

    ===============================

    Weiters is a Boras guy, and therefore will automatically hit the market rather than consider an extension with the O’s, which they’ve apparently tried to do. Looking to move him now, with 2 seasons left before free agency is the best way of capitalizing on his value.

  213. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Y’s-

    Two other items that might be of interest :

    1 The Padres seem likely to trade Headley

    2 The Rangers have interest in Cano

  214. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    If the Rangers are truly interested in Cano that is bad news for the Yankees because it will drive up his price.

  215. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    2 The Rangers have interest in Cano

    ===========================

    This one I’ve seen in rumors, but totally not buying it. With Profar, Andrus, and Kinsler on board already, where’s the room? They’re looking to move one to create space, but there’s only room for two. Plus MI is the least of their needs. They’re hurting at C, 1B and OF. SP too.

  216. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    I’d be more worried about the Rangers getting involved on Tanaka than I would Cano.

  217. austinmac November 18th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    The Nats need a 2B. They could be on on Cano, but management is not talking big spending. Still I see them as competitors.

  218. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    headley would be a good target, his price should definitely be quite a bit lower than last season.

    the rangers? maybe they think they can corner the market on 2b’s and leave everyone else with felix millan types….

    surely the O’s wont want to pay boras money for wieters, but imo he’s just the kind of guy you keep till his f/a then say goodbye to and take the draft pick. good catchers are hard to find (weiters is good in the tall midget mode) but when they become expensive the money is more productively spent on another position.

  219. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    headley would be a good target, his price should definitely be quite a bit lower than last season.

    ===========================

    He would be, but I don’t think the Yankees have enough to get him. Freese seems a more likely target for the Yankees, IMO. He could still be non tendered by St Lou, and even if he’s not, he wouldn’t cost a great deal in prospects.

  220. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    The Rangers are reportedly interested in upgrading their O.

    Cano would certainly do that.

    One of the other guys, possibly 2 could be moved.

    The Rangers are not interested in Pitching this OS.

    P.S. I’m really surprised Washington still has his job.

  221. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    The Rangers are not interested in Pitching this OS.

    ======================

    They should be.

  222. 86w183 November 18th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    If Texas got Cano they’d move Kinsler to 1B.

    Nobody is going to “drive up” Cano’s price for the Yankees. There’s no doubt in my mind that they have a number of $$$ and years they’re willing to go to and that’s that.

  223. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    the rangers do need bats. beltre/kinsler can’t carry that offense w/o help. when cruz was out, thier O stunk.

    andrus was a HUGE dissapointment.

  224. Tackelberry November 18th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    The Dodgers are team that is out threat to Tanaka. They have tons of money and word is that he is their number 1 target. Wouldn’t surprise me if they bod over 100 mill on him

  225. Mike in Harrisburg November 18th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Ryan signing official – http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......ndan-ryan/

  226. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    i think cano’s actual value (in the abstract) for his next contract at about 5/$114 based on salaries of about 24/22/20/18/16/14. But he will get alot more than that because his value is higher for certain teams.

    the problem is that no team plays in the abstract. if the yankees let Cano go, they cannot replace him for next season at the least. The yankees then have to start estimating the lost revenue for the time they can’t replace him if they are less likely to make the PS and to last into the alcs an/or ws and the competitive effect on RS revenue.

    each team has to go through this excersize, plugging cano’s salary into the equation.

    so his value, and the value of every other available player, is different for each team.

    i’m guessing that in the current situation cano is worth more to the yankees than anyone else.

    but only the FO really knows enough about all these factors to decide how much over his actual value they are willing to pay him.

    my guess is that the yankees will sign him and he’ll get about 7/ $170, which will be a huge overpay.

  227. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Where the heck is Chad ?

  228. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Maybe he hit Lotto.

    :)

  229. jacksquat November 18th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Maybe he went to try to find Hank.

  230. austinmac November 18th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Chad is still explaining to his girlfriend about Valentine’s Day. These things can take time.

  231. Mike in Harrisburg November 18th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Is the Cano decision as simple as “do we make the playoffs more in the next ten yen years with him or without him” and what is the answer to that question?

  232. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Mop walk time.

  233. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    10 years is too long. its about the next 5 years. they may sign him past 5, but you really can’t count on middle-of-the-order numbers from cano past age 35 (even that’s a stretch). there are way too many variables beyond that.

    in the next 5 years, signing him will increase thier chances of playing more postseason games.

    how much extra revenue that brings the yankees….only the FO knows for sure…

  234. tomingeorgia November 18th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Did the power go out in Westchester?

  235. Jerkface November 18th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    4) Derek Jeter

    My friend’s cousin dated Derek Jeter for a while and had keys to his apartment. According to the story she entered one day to find him butt ass naked on his couch watching highlights of himself and bumping his chest with his fist saying “YEAH JEETS, YEAH JEETS”.

    http://www.dailydot.com/lifest.....nfessions/

    Hilarious

  236. Tackelberry November 18th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    “‘My friend’s cousin dated Derek Jeter for a while and had keys to his apartment. According to the story she entered one day to find him butt ass naked on his couch watching highlights of himself and bumping his chest with his fist saying “YEAH JEETS, YEAH JEETS”.”

    Was she the same one whose cousin’s friend who knows this guy who saw him pass out at 31 Flavors that night?

  237. mick November 18th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Matt Gelb @magelb

    Source: Phillies have re-signed Carlos Ruiz to a three-year, $26 million contract.

  238. blake November 18th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    You know I have tried to not like Starbucks because it’s expensive and it’s cliche and all that but I just like their coffee better than pretty much anywhere else…..I think it’s laced with crack or somethin

  239. blake November 18th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    I would say that girl probAbaly was really dating Arod and didn’t know the difference

  240. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Blake-

    How are the boys doing ?

  241. blake November 18th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    3/26 for Carlos Ruiz? Amaro just gives away money

  242. blake November 18th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    MTU,
    Better I think…..eldest still doesn’t feel great when the Ibuprofen wears off but as long as he’s comfortably numb he acts normal ;) on the mend I think

  243. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Blake-

    About ready to put up my own post here.

    Someone must be asleep at the switch.

    :)

  244. blake November 18th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    @mikeaxisa: Man, letting Martin walk for 2/17 looks worse and worse.

    Yup

  245. Chip November 18th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Yankees have signed a 3b!!! Zealous Wheeler, 26 year old minor league free agent.

    I thought I would be happy when the Jayson Nix era came to an end in NY but to replace him with Brendan Ryan doesn’t really help the situation.

  246. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Source: Phillies have re-signed Carlos Ruiz to a three-year, $26 million contract

    ================================

    Yikes. 3 years? AAV isn’t ridiculous, but isn’t Ruiz 35 or so?

  247. comet November 18th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Maybe Chad has some time off. Do we really need three posts a day at this time of year. Consider it an open thread to discuss all things Yankee!

  248. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Comet-

    I have absolutely no problem w Chad being gone.

    But he usually has a fill-in.

    That’s what I was questioning.

    ;)

  249. Chip November 18th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    blake November 18th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    @mikeaxisa: Man, letting Martin walk for 2/17 looks worse and worse.

    Yup
    ———————

    Not really – the Phillies doing something dumb doesn’t change the Yankees letting Martin walk.

  250. Mottsx November 18th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    On the topic of catchers… AJ P for 2/15 would be possible or not a chance in this current market? He fits the lefty power catcher of McCann but it’s short term and lets Romine/Murphy develop. I hear he is a bit of a dick in the clubhouse though.

  251. jacksquat November 18th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Martin didn’t walk, he ran away like 3 days after players could sign.

  252. jacksquat November 18th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    AJ P should be signable for 1 year only.

    And he is good in clubhouse, dick to opposing teams, which is fine with me. :D

  253. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    “I love that the people that are most annoyed by Arod are the ones that spend the most time talking about him”

    You made a similar comment in the past about people being annoyed being the ones talking about it the most. Well what a surprise! What about that don’t you understand!!!

    :D

    *******************

    “and how much, if any, does the precident that braun is suspended for more than 50 games for a similar violation count in the arod appeal?”

    If the charges against both players are identical, precedence is everything. If the charges are not identical, any that are similar could be a jumping-off point, and then other charges would be additional considerations.

    Since Arod is being charged with more than charges under the CBA one wouldn’t expect the penalties to be the same unless the arbitrator was not convinced about the additional charges being brought against Arod.

  254. Giuseppe Franco November 18th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    That Jeter story would be hilarious no matter who it involved. But picturing Jeter doing that makes the story that much better.

    Jeter has always had a squeaky clean image, and deservedly so, but I’d be willing to bet that his ego behind closed doors and out of the public eye is much bigger than we think it is.

  255. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    I meant to say that as long as he’s being charged with more than charges under the JDA…

  256. Bret The Hitman November 18th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Goood afternoon.

    Why does Alex have a cough?

    Because he’s a choker!

    :lol:

  257. Chip November 18th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Random trade – non-Yankee division:

    Brewers get: Ike Davis, Dillon Gee, Jenry Mejia

    Mets get: Ryan Braun, Kyle Loshe and cash

  258. Giuseppe Franco November 18th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    “I love that the people that are most annoyed by Arod are the ones that spend the most time talking about him”

    You made a similar comment in the past about people being annoyed being the ones talking about it the most. Well what a surprise! What about that don’t you understand!!!

    ——

    Why must you throw a fit when people disagree with you on the A-Rod story or the conspiracy nonsense?

    You tend to get annoying and repetitive with your responses too. Such as, “hey, dinosaurs once roamed the earth and the earth isn’t flat…..so there MUST be an evil conspiracy with Bud Selig and the Red Sox.”

    You can’t let a comment go on those issues without lecturing people to “educate themselves” on the issue in your condescending way.

    Good grief. Practice what you preach.

  259. mick November 18th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    It’s a Beautiful Day in the Neighbor-Hud…..

  260. mick November 18th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Bret
    Are you still here?

  261. yankinvegas November 18th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    I would give Cano a larger offer than I think the Yanks will. Offer him 7 for 200 which is more than 28 a year. But tell his people that the offer can’t be shopped and must be accepted by EOB on Wednesday, November 27 and we will have a gala press conference on Tuesday, December 3.
    If they accept, fine. We will live with the snide remarks of the media and the BS coming from the other teams about how the Yankees are ruining baseball, and we will welcome Robbie back as a career long Yankee and start composing the plaque for monument park.
    If they don’t accept, well that’s fine too. We will make our offer public and we will move on and let Robinson sign wit another club for much less AAV. There will be no subsequent negotiations and his NYY career would be FINISHED.
    Then we can go on with the task of building a championship team.

  262. Bret The Hitman November 18th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Mick,

    I’m here.

  263. mick November 18th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Then we can go on with the task of building a championship team.
    ================================
    If Hal has that in mind …

  264. mick November 18th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Bret
    I want to show you something that no one has responded to.
    Check this out, see if you can access it and let me know…

    Hold on…

  265. mick November 18th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    http://vimeo.com/77336211

    it’s an A-Riot

    Dinner for One

  266. mick November 18th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    https://vimeo.com/77336211

  267. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    GF – ask your question in a dignified manner and I might answer it. Is it genetic with you, cultural, familial? Are you really so freakin’ unaware that you think that referring to something as “nonsense” and then acting like a condescending putz in the rest of your post, ending it with “good grief” is going to get you any kind of civil response.?

    You might think you are but you are not Jesus Christ. I know you act like you are, pal, but you’re just another shlep behind a computer. How’s this? I think that your takes on things are a “load of crap” (a phrase you’ve used on me before), and you are so woefully misguided it’s frightening.

    Good grief. If you don’t want condescension in other peoples’ posts, drop it in your own. Stop lecturing me on lecturing others.

    And if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen pal. Stop reading my posts.

    Good grief!

  268. austinmac November 18th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    As everyone predicted salaries are going up for free agents. That does not bode well for a team with many needs and limited funds they are willing to spend.

  269. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    mick – I didn’t respond because the link said you had to be a member and had to sign in to see whatever you were linking to!

  270. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Austin – please don’t get involved in this one. No need.

    Thanks.

  271. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    mick – this is what is says:

    Private Video

    This is a private video. Do you have permission to watch it? If so please provide the correct password.

  272. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    OT – anyone ever do anything to their sciatic nerve from lifting something heavy to the extent that no medications are touching the pain? If so, what did you do?

    I actually sat up all night and played Candy Crush. I haven’t been to bed because there is no position I can get in that is comfortable. I definitely need to do something. Vicodin, ibuprofen, aleve, something called carisoprodol (from when I blew out my shoulder at the gym), I pumped it in, and it’s been like eating candy. Heat, ice, nothing touching the pain. And it’s radiating down my leg, etc. Definitely has to be sciatica.

    Bad time of year for it to happen. Any help or advice will be appreciated. Can’t sit, can’t stand, can’t lie down, pain is always there. In spades.

  273. mick November 18th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    go to a local chiropractor….. NOW!!!

  274. tomingeorgia November 18th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Mister mick, my advice, too.

  275. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Can they definitely do something about it?

  276. austinmac November 18th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Trisha,

    It sounds like a disc problem. Go to an MD, preferably a neurologist or orthopedist. The first thing they will do is give you an anti-inflammatory. Then, physical therapy.

    Disc problems come from the center of the disc leaks out or bulges and touches the nerve, impairing nerve conduction. The good news is most heal without surgery in a fairly short period of time.

    With all due respect to Mick, I would not go to a chiropractor.

  277. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Austin, here’s how it happened, which is why I don’t think it’s disc related. I slept wrong and woke up yesterday with the classic back pain that happens when you sleep wrong. I took advil but was pretty uncomfortable in church. Even standing was uncomfortable.

    So then I decide (don’t ask me why because I had trepidation about doing it because of my back, but did it anyway) that it was a good day to buy my 23 lb. frozen turkey. And a 24-pack of Poland Springs water. Of course I lifted both and put them in my carriage. And then lifted them out of my car. THAT was the beginning of the end.

    At this point nothing is taking the edge off the pain.

  278. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    And thank you guys. I appreciate any and all advice.

  279. mick November 18th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    you need immediate relief, many chiropractors will take you immediately.
    a Dr is a long shot, they will medicate you but it sounds like you have done enough of that

  280. mick November 18th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    they can give you electric stim, massage, ice and heat…it should relieve the pain
    call a local

  281. Giuseppe Franco November 18th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Whatever you say, Trisha.

    Yeah, I get that you don’t like being called out for your own behavior but perhaps you should learn to deal with it without stomping your feet and lashing out.

    Listen to your own advice. You don’t like what I have to say then ignore my posts.

    I didn’t mention your name at all when I said to WYH that the conspiracy stuff was bunk but you took it rather personally and threw a fit in a later thread.

    I hate the Red Sox too and I can’t stand Bud Selig but that doesn’t mean they are responsible for war in the Middle East or high oil prices.

  282. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    elvis killed jfk….educate yourself!

    http://corporate-excellence.co...../index.php

  283. austinmac November 18th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Trisha,

    People herniate discs while sneezing, lifting, bending or many other things. I agree that stimulation, massage and the like may make you feel better. It is the chiropractic adjustment that makes me nervous. Your family doctor can refer you for PT and get all those treatments.

    Hopefully, you will feel better quickly.

  284. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    GF – I probably wouldn’t be as convinced about Selig protecting the Sux if the phony MLB steroid investigation didn’t happen at fenway in 2009. That sealed the deal for me. That’s pretty specific stuff.

  285. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    mick and Austin, thanks! So I will call a chiropractor and tell them I am willing to have him do anything but adjustment.

    I am in serious trouble with this because medication isn’t touching it and I can’t afford to be laid up with TG next week, since I host that holiday. Never had anything like this before. Wicked uncomfortable.

    I had called a doctor who gives steroid shots but he can’t see me until Thursday. I just can’t wait that long. I’m walking like Quasimodo – of necessity.

    Thank you all again, so much. I am now going to find a local chiropractor.

    Later y’all.

    :)

  286. tomingeorgia November 18th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    trisha,
    My best advice is to seek out a D.O. (doctor of Osteopathy), an MD who also knows how to do spinal adjustments, ala a chiropractor. Can crack your bones and provide whatever meds you require.

  287. blake November 18th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    @mikeaxisa: $10M per each year of age! RT @AndrewMarchand: Source: Cano still at $310M http://t.co/orntcik3Kn

    Good luck Robbie

  288. Mottsx November 18th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    I hope he gets it and then never lives up to half of it and has to face the all the criticism. He will fall apart and his “brand” will die. He needs to start being a realist and stop be overly greedy. Take $200-$225m not $310, he sounds like a fool. DR doesn’t have $310m in their entire country… He needs to stop hanging out with Jay Z and remember where he came from.

    (I tried to sound as little as racist as possible, my girlfriend is domican, she approves this message)

  289. Giuseppe Franco November 18th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    GF – I probably wouldn’t be as convinced about Selig protecting the Sux if the phony MLB steroid investigation didn’t happen at fenway in 2009. That sealed the deal for me. That’s pretty specific stuff.

    —–

    Serious question, what on earth does Bud Selig have to gain by risking his career and legacy by conspiring with the Red Sox and against the Yankees?

    Whether he likes the Yanks personally or not, he knows that the Yanks being relevant has been good for MLB (merchandising, attendance at YS and opposing ballparks, TV ratings, etc. etc) for nearly 100 years.

    The Yanks are amongst the most popular and the most hated teams in the game and that draws fan interest.

    Selig probably cares most about MLB’s bottom line and there is no better way to ensure their bottom line is healthy than for the Yankees to remain a powerhouse.

  290. austinmac November 18th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    I would like Cano back, but that is ridiculous. Boras knows what he is doing. I question whether JayZ does since he has never done baseball before. Plus, he wants to make a mark in the baseball world.

    I still believe second-level guys will be hot commodities, but so many have been burned on long term desks lately that I don’t see a 9-10 year contract. I would be shocked.

    I suppose Cashman had a reason for mentioning Cano’s money desires.

  291. Ys Guy November 18th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    if jay-z is the one putting that # out there, then he stands no chance to look like a winner when this is all over. with that # out there, if he got cano 8/$200M he’d look like a loser.

    And he’s not getting $200M

  292. Mottsx November 18th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Jay Z is a joke. I get a stomach ache looking at every goofy picture of him with a backwards nets hat and t shirt on.

    This tweet shows in serious he should be taken.

    “And how exactly will Jay Z be “intimately” involved in Cano’s negotiations when he will be on tour in CA during Winter Meetings (in FL)?”

    I guess that’s why Cano is ready to wait until January to sign since his “agent” is on tour through December.

  293. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Cano should has stayed w Boras.

  294. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    ed: have

  295. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Selig and Henry have a long history. Selig is a know scumbag. He’s conspired with Henry before. Pretty public stuff.

    It’s no about going against the Yankees. It’s about protecting the Sux.

  296. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    tomingeorgia, thanks.

  297. pkyankfan69 November 18th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    I just don’t understand Cano’s strategy here. I understand aiming high but not to a ridiculous level that is simply not attainable. IMO he’s just embarrassing himself floating these crazy-unrealistic #’s.

  298. Giuseppe Franco November 18th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Selig would have far more to lose if he was caught protecting the Red Sox than he would have to gain.

    It’s not worth the risk.

    He and Henry may be buddies but he’s probably buddies with a lot of owners.

  299. blake November 18th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    @jonmorosi: Yankees expressing interest in free agent Jhonny Peralta, sources tell @Ken_Rosenthal and me. @FOXSportsLive

  300. pkyankfan69 November 18th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    From MLBTR

    Yankees Interested In Jhonny Peralta

    By Steve Adams [November 18 at 2:31pm CST]
    The Yankees are now expressing interest in Jhonny Peralta, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (on Twitter). Peralta would provide the Yankees with insurance should Alex Rodriguez miss significant time with a suspension or in the event of a Derek Jeter injury. He has extensive big league experience at both shortstop and third base.

    Peralta, 31, dealt with a suspension of his own this summer for his involvement with the Biogenesis PED clinic, but he’s served his 50-game ban and doesn’t face risk of further penalty. Peralta slashed .303/.358/.457 with 11 homers in 448 plate appearances this season, and one would think a move from the spacious Comerica Park in Detroit to the cozy Yankee Stadium in the Bronx could help to boost his power numbers even further.

    Given the lack of quality shortstop options on the market — Stephen Drew is the only other clear-cut starting option — as well as the lack of third basemen, Peralta appears poised to sign at least a three-year deal. In my free agent profile on the ACES client, I pegged him for three years and $36MM, but since that time reports have surfaced that he’s looking to top three years and $45MM. A fourth year doesn’t appear to be out of the question for Peralta, though it remains to be seen how comfortable teams will be in approaching that level of years and dollars. One key advantage for Peralta over Drew is that he did not receive a qualifying offer and therefore will not require draft pick forfeiture for his new team.

    To this point, Peralta has been most heavily linked to the Mets, though the Mariners have been mentioned as a potential suitor as well. The Cardinals and Pirates are two other teams with a clear need at shortstop. The Yankees, of course, have already added to their infield depth by agreeing to sign Brendan Ryan earlier today.

  301. pkyankfan69 November 18th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Damn you Blake! ;)

  302. blake November 18th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Hey yours is more detailed

  303. blake November 18th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #SFGiants, Tim Hudson close on two-year, $23 million contract. Still language to be resolved. First reported @JohnAllenKCNBC

  304. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    GF – yeah, that’s why MLB’s half-assed steroid investigation was written up in the Boston Globe. That’s why Mitchell, an employee of the Sux, was chosen to do the steroid investigation that ended with the Mitchell Report, where not one Sux player was implicated. That’s why Selig approved the trade of Urbina to the Sux after the trading deadline had ended and had the entire baseball community in disbelief when Selig appoved the terms of the trade, one that was one of the most lopsided in baseball history.

    And that’s why Henry ended up as owner of the Sux, after Loria grabbed the Marlins from him when Loria screwed over the Expos while Bud sat by and let it happen.

    Because Bud’s friends with lots of owners.

    With all due respect, I’m done with you on this topic. Frankly, I find it amazing that you can whistle right past all of this stuff and still come up with “no wrong doing”.

  305. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Later

  306. pkyankfan69 November 18th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Too bad about Hudson… 2 years $23M for Hudson sounds like better value than 1 year – $15M for Hiroki… Surprised Hudson is leaving ATL.

  307. mick November 18th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    I had called a doctor who gives steroid shots but he can’t see me until Thursday.
    ====================
    Call Arod, he’ll get em quicker.
    Try cortisone.

  308. Giuseppe Franco November 18th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    I’m quite amazed that someone who claims to be a lawyer can make so many flimsy and less than convincing arguments.

  309. pat November 18th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    “Yankees Interested In Jhonny Peralta”

    That can’t be true. I read here that the Yankees wouldn’t get involved with Biogenesis players.

  310. Bret The Hitman November 18th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    I don’t believe what could be merely a phone call to Peralta’s agent to check in amounts to serious involvement at all.

    But the fact the Yankees have been linked to pretty much every guy out there is encouraging. It’s better than the “plan is patience” and do-nothing complacency that led us down this road. Hopefully the fans who advocated against change of any kind for the past 4 years get silenced and the Yankees get active.

  311. austinmac November 18th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Bret,

    I agree. At least it looks like we are trying. Next step, offer money.

  312. Wave Your Hat November 18th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Hey, did something I said last week turn into a spitball fight when I wasn’t around? Sorry I missed it.

  313. blake November 18th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Leaking out that you’re interested in players and actually signing people are 2 different things…… We shall see

  314. Bret The Hitman November 18th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Blake,

    True and Peralta seems like he wants too much money and years. 15 M per over 4 years?

  315. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    I wouldn’t give Jhonny P. anything near that.

  316. Wave Your Hat November 18th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    $2M for Ryan doesn’t encourage me.

  317. tomingeorgia November 18th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Power’s still out in White Plains.

  318. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    True and Peralta seems like he wants too much money and years.
    ==================
    Peralta wants money and years?
    Forget him…

  319. austinmac November 18th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    Players are getting more than they used to. If a team is unwilling to pay that, they don’t get the players. The Yankees need players.

  320. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    The Yankees will get players.
    Whether they are the right ones are the question. ;)

  321. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    or is that is?

  322. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Curry sez Cano will sign with Yanks.
    What is he basing that on?
    Must be other teams not willing to pay.
    That is a reach.

  323. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Yanks are sending a smoke screen inquiring about all these players.
    Peralta, Showalter…
    Go get McCann, it would ease the pain of losing Cano.

  324. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    I can see them opening the season with Nunez at 3rd.
    Would Choo and McCann be feasible with no Cano?
    Depends on the pitchers they get, I reckon.

  325. Pat M. November 18th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    A-Rod, Beantown Roids, & Selig just makes my head hurt

  326. pete2 November 18th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Glad to see the Yankees interested in Peralta although I think Drew would be a better fit, even if he costs a pick. The pick requirement will reduce Drews AAV on the market relative to Peralta. I guess they will play along with Jeter planning to be the starting SS while just waiting until its obvious he can’t field the position adequately at age 40 with a bum ankle.

    There are players out there who can make this team competitive, most available in the 4-40/60 million range, the team just has to spend the money. The extra 25 million for the national TV deal next year should cover the lost rebates.

  327. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Then answer some of my questions Pat M

  328. pete2 November 18th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Funny how this story is getting no play anywhere

    http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/st.....ources-say

  329. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Pete2 – when you mention players in the 4-40/60 range, who do you have your eyes on?

  330. Pat M. November 18th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    mick, I along with some other LoHuders took a vow of silence regarding these topics. We need a few trades to spark the discussions here.

  331. blake November 18th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Pat M. says:
    November 18, 2013 at 6:36 pm
    A-Rod, Beantown Roids, & Selig just makes my head hurt

    I try to to think about them

  332. blake November 18th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    “I can see them opening the season with Nunez at 3rd.”

    They aren’t serious about winning if they do

  333. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    mick, I along with some other LoHuders took a vow of silence regarding these topics.
    ===============
    Topics such as who to get as FA’s Pat M?……I doubt that.

  334. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    They aren’t serious about winning if they do
    ==================
    If they get McCann and Choo and a high profile pitcher(s) they might not have money left.

  335. blake November 18th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Drew no longer costs the pick if you’ve already lost it to sign somebody else…..my guess is they only seriously consider Drew if the pick is already gone

  336. Wave Your Hat November 18th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    It will probably be DJ at SS and Ryan at 3B, LOL.

  337. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Chances are 3B will be their last pick, if any.
    Most could be gone when they settle the Arod thing.

  338. blake November 18th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    “If they get McCann and Choo and a high profile pitcher(s) they might not have money left.”

    If they get McCann and Choo plus keep Cano then they are over the limit anyways so might as well get a real 3B…..or get a real SS and move Jeter there

  339. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Drew can’t hit a lick.

  340. blake November 18th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    mick says:
    November 18, 2013 at 6:46 pm
    Drew can’t hit a lick.

    He can hit better than Nunez

  341. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    If they get McCann and Choo plus keep Cano then they are over the limit anyways so might as well get a real 3B…..or get a real SS and move Jeter there
    ===================
    I meant to put in they do not keep Cano in this scenario.

  342. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    He can hit better than Nunez
    ========
    Disagree blake.
    Nunez could hit 275.

  343. blake November 18th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Signing McCann and Choo and letting Cano go and having Nunez at 3B woukd defeat the purpose of signing McCann and Choo

  344. Wave Your Hat November 18th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    “mick says:
    November 18, 2013 at 6:46 pm
    Drew can’t hit a lick.”

    He can hit better than anyone who played either position for us this year, other than ARod.

  345. blake November 18th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    “Disagree blake.
    Nunez could hit 275.”

    Even if .275 BA is his ceiling…..it’d likely but an empty .275 with minimal power and about a .310 OBP. Nothing in Nunez’s track record suggests he’s a great hitter……he hits like a back up SS an plays defense like a corner outfielder

  346. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Having Nunez at 3rd would mean Arod is coming back in 50-75 games.

  347. Pat M. November 18th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    blake. I’m not sure what kind of play this is getting in NYC, but it seems like The NY Yankees are having more than prelim talks with McCann. 5 years is an issue unless they think of his final 2 seasons will be Jorge Posada like

  348. blake November 18th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Drew has a career OPS of .764

    Nunez had a .680 career OPS in the minors and really hasn’t done any better than that in the big leagues

  349. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    I don’t know how they can sign(m)any of these FA’s if Cano stays.

  350. blake November 18th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Pat M

    I like McCann….think he’d really help….however if they sign him then they need to keep Cano and fill some other holes or it’s kinda pointless. He’d really help them …..even if he only caught 2-3 years and DHd the last couple then it’d be worth it if they do what’s needed to compete short term

  351. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    They have to gamble that McCann would entice Cano to stay.
    Sign him 1st, then let the chips fall.

  352. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Point is they have to sign a few guys and not wait on Cano.
    Let Cano wonder if the next guy they sign precludes him from being a Yankee.

  353. mick November 18th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    5 years is an issue unless they think of his final 2 seasons will be Jorge Posada like
    ============
    Pat M

    From what I’ve read McCann likes the DH aspect of the job.
    If he likes the Yanks and the short porch, he just might want to come here.

  354. blake November 18th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    I don’t think McCann had to catch all 5 years of a deal to have value…..

  355. blake November 18th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    The Yankees signed Damon as a CFer…..he was only that a couple of years of the deal but it was still a good contract

  356. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    I know GF. As I said, you know there weren’t really dinosaurs and your world is flat. What flimsy excuses Galileo make in his day to pretend otherwise!

    :lol:

    *****************

    Just got back from my first chiropractic visit. Thanks so much for the advice and encouragement guys. I learned I didn’t do myself any favors by using heat on my back. And we know it is definitely not disc related.

    You guys rock. I know your worlds are round!

    :)

  357. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    If McCann gets 5 years, he can play some 1B, DH and BUC for Sanchez in 2017-18.

  358. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Glad to hear that Trish..

    Did he manipulate you much?

  359. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    You might have some arthritis in there as well.

  360. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Blake – As far as McCann… wait for it… I like it! Believe it or not, we agree on something!

  361. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Check out the way you sit at your computer as well.
    Try to not be looking up at it, better if it’s down or eye level.
    Less back strain.

  362. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Can we get Sara Kustock to do more Yankee games?

  363. Pat M. November 18th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    blake. McCann would have to be combined with Cano signing I agree. Also that commitment I would think means that the Front Office would be obligated to allocate more funds to the rotation. Losing Alex for 60 games out of the gate is going to hurt and a guy like Chavez would or could fill that void. And then of course there’s the Granderson lefthand power stick issue

  364. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Another thing about McCann. Some folks were turned off by his confrontations with Fernandez in Miami and Gomez in Milwaukee. IMO, the Yankees are starved for that kind of passion. Something they haven’t had since Po.

  365. Pat M. November 18th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Bret. You might have some issues with Senior Franco, however my observations over the past 7 years or so here is that he’s as much a Yankee fan as any of us. His style and approach might differ but He’s a Pinstriper in my book

  366. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Bret…scalding.

  367. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Something they haven’t had since Po.
    ==============
    And need I say….Thurm.

  368. blake November 18th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    chicken_stanley says:
    November 18, 2013 at 7:09 pm
    Blake – As far as McCann… wait for it… I like it! Believe it or not, we agree on something!

    Lol …hey I told you we weren’t that far apart

  369. blake November 18th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Pat. M,
    The pool girls told you any gossip lately

  370. Bret The Hitman November 18th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    NY metro is the land of bullies and you get through that coming across plenty of folks who try to break you down and you start to see things. You start to see, these insults, it’s not you, it’s the other person and he/she has mental problems. I don’t have time for that shat.

    Back to baseball…

  371. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Blake – BTW, tough loss for the heels… I’m just now getting over the Cav’s loss to VCU. Hope both squads come together and perform up to expectations

  372. Pat M. November 18th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Bret. This is not the place to debate the merits of GF, but let’s just say the guy has gone through some serious challenges , so maybe one’s imperfections can be overlooked ??? blake, pool service ladies are good for the soul and for my appreciation for finer visuals in life. I haven’t seen by Cubbie gym pal for awhile but I think he’s back now the The GM meetings are over. Love to hear that Cashman is talking to Theo about Castro. I do know that Theo wanted updates regarding The Yanks minor leagues but he also wanted updates on the BoSox as well as 3-4 other clubs

  373. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Just saw this highlight on MLB Network… I had never seen before. Still laughing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_o852Yn6Tc

  374. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Here’s a little ditty entitled Dixie Chicken I’d like to dedicate to our southern brothers
    and , of course, chicken stanley featuring Lowell George , Bonnie Raitt and Emmy Lou Harris.

    Little Feat:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R00LLqShdg

  375. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Their best song:

    Willin’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNqv85coyTw

  376. Bret The Hitman November 18th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    I hear you Pat M., just had to get that off my chest in light of his exchange with Trisha. I like how you embrace all Yankees fans. You’re a standup guy.

  377. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Bret’s right. I’ve tried being cordial with Franco but he turns on a dime. And it’s typically when you take a position with which he doesn’t agree. He gets surly, nasty, and insulting. I think “projects” hits it on the head. His positions aren’t even sage. But his feeling is that as long as they are his, they are not to be questioned.

    Go figure.

    *****************

    mick, they used some pulsating machine for 10 minutes, he did some manipulation and stretching of my legs, etc., and then put some natural anti-inflammatory on my back. I think I may have said I go back maybe twice more. Already is does feel better!

  378. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    glad to hear it trish…it has worked for me…if it doesn’t go away soon (let it heal, you might see more improvement tmw) then go for rehab.

  379. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Mick – Good song (I had actually forgotten about it). Midnight Special brings back memories, too

    As far as dixie chicken – I think I know her! :)

  380. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    mick, they used some pulsating machine for 10 minutes,
    ==========
    sounds like the electric stim.

  381. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    mick, it was great advice, thanks. The doctor said the two worse things I could do is sit, and use heat. Well I sat all night at the computer with the heating pad on my back!

    So I am going to recline for a while with a bag of frozen peas against my back.

    :)

    BBL

  382. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Look at Bonnie Raitt 35 years ago…

  383. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 18th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Pat M – I went through a few serious challenges of my own. So have others. No excuse, sorry. If anything, it should teach him kindness and compassion.

    Later y’all.

  384. Pat M. November 18th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    mick… I’ve been looking at Bonnie Raitt for at least that time, and with great admiration on several levels if you catch my drift.

  385. mick November 18th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    If you love The Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd’s “Dark Side of the Moon” please check this out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDz2cNL1vuM

  386. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    My favorite current commercial:

    Spell cow.

    “c-o-w… e-i-e-i-o” “dagnabit!!”

    I’m beginning to think I’m easily amused

  387. tomingeorgia November 18th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    chicken,
    I suppose, from your point of view, that’s better thn “Eat Mor Chikin”.

  388. blake November 18th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    “My favorite current commercial:

    Spell cow.

    “c-o-w… e-i-e-i-o” “dagnabit!!”

    I’m beginning to think I’m easily amused”

    I think it’s the way he says dagnabit…..it is funny

  389. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    I suppose, from your point of view, that’s better thn “Eat Mor Chikin”.

    ———–

    Yep Tom… not a big fan of those. :D

  390. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Those Chiropractors can really save your bacon sometimes.

    Only thing that is weird the first time are all the cracking and popping sounds during manipulation.

    Snap, crackle, and pop. Just like Rice Krispies.

    :)

  391. mick November 18th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    MTU

    I get them when I exercise in the AM and lie me down to sleep at PM.

    Slight crackles but relaxing all the same…

  392. tomingeorgia November 18th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Mister MTU,
    There are “sensitive” chiropractors these day, who use little hammers, accupressure, etc. The ones that did me the most good were the old timers, who told me “Put your arm over there, wrap that leg around your ear, whistle Dixie.” Crack!

  393. mick November 18th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Speaking of laying down..

    Here is the Dead at Radio City version:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcvng9u7REE

  394. yankeefeminista November 18th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    “The Yankees, according to rival international scouts, are planning to splurge on foreign amateurs during the 2013-14 signing period. They already have surpassed their bonus pool allotment of $1,877,000, and rival clubs expect them to possibly incur the maximum penalties for exceeding the spending limit.

    The Yankees’ strategy should not come as a surprise, considering the depleted state of their farm system. The Cubs and Rangers went over the limit in 2012-13, knowing the penalties would not be as severe as they will be if baseball ever adopts an international draft.

    As it stands, the Yankees already have signed Dominican center fielder Leonardo Molina for $1.4 million and Dominican shortstop Yonauris Rodriguez for $550,000, according to reports. The signing period began last July 2, and will continue into next summer.

    The penalties kick in once a team goes 5 percent over its limit; the Yankees’ two signings put them at 3.8 percent. A team that exceeds it by 15 percent or more pays a 100-percent tax and cannot spend more than $250,000 on a player in the next signing period.

    Apparently the Yankees believe this class of international players is stronger than the next one. Or, they are simply eager to amass talent as quickly as possible.”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ice-111713

    I don’t know if anyone posted the above previously, but I like it. And as I have been saying in spite of the non-signs, I think the classes of 2011 and 2012 are loaded with elite prospects. Hope springs eternal in the long term.

  395. blake November 18th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    “The Yankees, according to rival international scouts, are planning to splurge on foreign amateurs during the 2013-14 signing period. They already have surpassed their bonus pool allotment of $1,877,000, and rival clubs expect them to possibly incur the maximum penalties for exceeding the spending limit.”

    Better late than never I guess…..

  396. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Tom-

    yeah. Those are the types I am familiar with.

    ;)

    Mick-

    Chiropractor or not I’m gonna’ hear all sorts of sounds at my age.

    :)

  397. mick November 18th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Better late than never I guess…..
    =================
    …sounds like a quick and easy way to build a farm.

  398. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    YF-

    I like it too !

    :)

  399. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    YF – thanks for the info… keep it flowing. A part of the game in which I’m a complete novice (although there are those that would argue I’m a complete novice; period :D )

  400. mick November 18th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Chiropractor or not I’m gonna’ hear all sorts of sounds at my age.
    ==============
    You’re not as old as you profess to be…

  401. AAA November 18th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    “The Yankees, according to rival international scouts, are planning to splurge on foreign amateurs during the 2013-14 signing period. They already have surpassed their bonus pool allotment of $1,877,000, and rival clubs expect them to possibly incur the maximum penalties for exceeding the spending limit.”

    ======================

    Wonder if Rosenthal got this wrong and is really speaking of the Yankees going wild in the next signing period starting on 7/2/2014. BA’s Top 30 IFAs for the current signing period are already signed, so there would not appear to be any elite prospects out there.

  402. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Mick-

    Just turned 64.

  403. Giuseppe Franco November 18th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    LOL…I have to laugh at Trisha and Bret.

    Now I’m some miserable person who is not even a Yankee fan and bipolar to boot!

    Sigh. Don’t quit your day jobs because your amateur diagnosis is laughable.

    All of my posts are filled with negativity and condescension yet I never have any of those issues conversing with anyone else.

  404. mick November 18th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Just turned 64.
    ==========
    not old.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDt26gJYVB4

  405. mick November 18th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Dylan is 72

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLCewTcb-jc

  406. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    OK Mick.

    :)

  407. mick November 18th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Hilarious

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY5XYlQvGqk

    Dylan meets Popeye and others

  408. Giuseppe Franco November 18th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Thank you Pat M for your defense.

    Four years after my life threatening illness, I’m physically and mentally stronger than ever. The experience turned me into a gym rat and health nut and I’ve literally never felt better.

    The amateur psychologists on the board have no idea what they’re talking about but that shouldn’t surprise anyone.

  409. J. Alfred Prufrock November 18th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    YF,

    Andujar, Avellino, Gallegos and Torrens are IFAS from those years you reference whom I have high hopes for. At least, I can’t wait to get a look at them.
    ///

    GF,

    The (same old) sources are duly noted. No one buys a word of it.

  410. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    MTU – my Dad turns 71 next month… logged 38,000 miles on his motorcycle this year and can still undoubtedly whip me in a fight… 64 is a mere chap :D

  411. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Chicken-

    Glad to know there is still hope for me.

    I plan on hiking as long my body will let me.

    We had people in their 80′s in our club still climbing 10,000 ft. peaks.

    :)

  412. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    MTU – my comment probably read as being really flip… didn’t mean it to be patronizing at all

  413. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Not at all Chicken.

    No worries.

    I know where you are coming from.

    ;)

  414. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    My dad has told me he plans on riding his bike until 95. At that point, he said he’s gonna park the bike and concentrate on chasing women

  415. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Chicken-

    I like you and I have no doubt I’d like your Dad too.

    Sounds like one cool Dude.

    :)

  416. chicken_stanley November 18th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    MTU – in response to an earlier post of yours “where’s Chad?” – he’s probably not posting new threads to relieve you temporarily from the dreaded “chicken alerts” :D

    I think I’m gonna call it a night. Goodnight all.

  417. MTU November 18th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Take care Chicken.

    Sweet dreams.

    :)

  418. LGY November 18th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    Interesting thread. Of all the people on this blog, not really sure how GF was the one to have his sanity questioned. :lol:

    Personally, I’d be very skeptical of the professional opinion of an attorney that has this much free time to convince the blog how correct she is.

    And on a somewhat similar note, in my experience, the men who brag about their exploits the most, are to put it kindly exaggerating.

    “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound”

  419. yankeefeminista November 18th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    AAA, Yanks should go wild and take advantage, and there are still many IFA’s out there beyond a somewhat randomly constructed top 30. (Norris newly hired at BA is doing the Yankees top 10 for example. Nothing against Norris, but how is he “qualified” to construct a Yankee top 10 list? He isn’t, yet, some people live and die by these lists). As for this year’s class, it is supposedly better than the 2014 class, so Yanks should spend. The more the merrier; we should take advantage of IFA’s as much as possible before an IFA draft is possibly implemented after the current CBA expires following the 2016 season.

    Pruf, should be interesting to see how players develop this year. And people shouldn’t forget that if lists determine top players the Yanks signed both Torrens and Palma who both were 2012 top five ranked IFA’s.

    You are welcome, chicken. Have a good night!

  420. mick November 18th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    No one buys a word of it.
    ===============
    Speak for yourself.

  421. J. Alfred Prufrock November 18th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    LGY,

    Well said. By the way, I need to tell you, regarding your attempt to explain to me (then Bodhisattva) that a certain someone was disrespectful of others’ views and basically was behaving the bully and basically being an uncivil loudmouth – that you were right.

    I was defending her, but I wasn’t paying enough attention; my “friendship” clouded my judgment. I happened to see the exchange while searching for something else. I winced at my “loyal” but unseeing defense of someone who did not deserve, in retrospect, the benefit of the doubt.

    My apology comes a couple of years late. Sorry about that.

  422. J. Alfred Prufrock November 18th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Pruf, should be interesting to see how players develop this year. And people shouldn’t forget that if lists determine top players the Yanks signed both Torrens and Palma who both were 2012 top five ranked IFA’s.
    ////

    Haven’t read much about Palma. Is he even stateside?

  423. yankeefeminista November 18th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Pruf, he was in DSL2; hopefully he is on one of the GCL teams this year.

  424. J. Alfred Prufrock November 18th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    YF, thanks. :D

    Did you see where Charleston is coming to Lakewood in April for a 3-game set? I guess Jagielo will be the 3B.

    That probably means we get Miguel Andujar in Staten Island. Hope he has some of the talent of his idol – Alex Rodriguez :twisted: :mrgreen:

  425. J. Alfred Prufrock November 18th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    ….and I see where the Yanks have reported interest in the biogenetically enhanced Jhonny Peralta….. :)

  426. yankeefeminista November 18th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    http://dplbaseball.com/feature.....ournament/

    Also Yanks are hosting this tourney at their complex in the DR; workouts start today. So we may also see some IFA signings during or after this showcase.

    “The 5 day tournament will collect the best July 2nd and eligible prospects playing in all 4 DPL circuits (Boca-Chica, Santiago, San Pedro and Puerto Plata) competing in an 8 team round robin. Batting Practice and Infield will start the day of events continued by Games promptly after.”

    Pruf, probably Jagiello will be with Charleston, I’m guessing. Interesting to see what happens at 3B overall…

  427. yankeefeminista November 18th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    Love the line during the part re: today’s workout:

    “15-minute break (snack and drinks provided for scouts)” LMAO…

    2:30pm: Group #2: OF/C Showcase (60 yard dash, Throws from Position, BP)

    - See more at: http://dplbaseball.com/feature.....1GOR4.dpuf

  428. LGY November 18th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    No worries Pruf. Hope things are well with you. I try to avoid the archives of this place. Have had a similar experience wincing at some of the things I’ve said.

  429. Jerkface November 18th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    No worries Pruf. Hope things are well with you. I try to avoid the archives of this place. Have had a similar experience wincing at some of the things I’ve said.

    For me its like walking through a monument to my legend.

  430. pat November 19th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Arbitrator gave approval for Randy Levine to be called as a witness.

  431. yankinvegas November 19th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Out here it’s only a little after 9. I just finished watching MNF – screw the Pats – and my Warriors win again in Utah. Big game coming up on Wed vs Memphis for Mark and the guys.
    Now, onto baseball.
    No matter how the Cano situation plays out, hopefully the Yankees have learned their lesson and will extend our own young players well before they get near FA.
    They probably could have signed Cano for 7 @ 140 if they had acted after 2010. So this will cost them millions and create bad feelings between Cano and the team.
    As for Cano, unless he has some extreme musical talent that we are not aware of, he made a mistake leaving Boras for the Jay-Z sideshow. Whatever you think of Scott Boras, there is no doubt that he is a baseball man. He knows talent better than most major league GM’s. Unfortunately including our own!!

  432. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    pat November 19th, 2013 at 12:00 am
    Arbitrator gave approval for Randy Levine to be called as a witness.
    ____
    Does Court TV still exist? :)

  433. jacksquat November 19th, 2013 at 12:45 am

    I don’t remember this blog ever going 24 hours without a new thread. I wonder what’s up.

  434. sammiejohnson November 19th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    “I don’t remember this blog ever going 24 hours without a new thread. I wonder what’s up.”

    Not sure what is up.

    But I am fairly certain that whatever happened, it is ARod’s fault.

  435. Pat M. November 19th, 2013 at 1:25 am

    ” A walk through a monument to my legend ” Oh Jerkface nobody throws a party like you. So how did Team Jerkface do this softball season at Central Park ???? Win a few kegger games ??? Next spring you should put a stickball team together to play in the PAL NYC inner school tournament to raise funds for atheltic activities . Not certain what age group your club would be trying to qualify for : group age, 20-35 / 36-49 / 50 and up. I think they’re going to expand the tourney to 75 teams per bracket at $ 2,000.00 per team and you can carry up to 20 players per date which means at least 5 games. Shame is that I will once again be in the over 60 bracket but I did hit 5 out and one of then landed one the Metro North el tracks on Park Ave and 121 street. Maybe I get to aquare off against a sambermetic pitcher, wonder if his stuff is any different than the guys I just played against back in September. Dude whiffed me 3 of 4 at bats. The last time was with the bases jammed and I was sitting on a 3-0 count only to be K’d on check swing on a slop hook down and away

  436. luis November 19th, 2013 at 4:28 am

    Good morning everyone,

    Just a quick post… I don’t get how can anyone question GF’s sanity… You may not agree with his takes, but implying that he is “nuts” is the lousiest line of argument I have ever read in this blog… I guess we have hit a new low…

  437. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 5:46 am

    Man, I just had a dream that both our teams were running in the playoffs and I had a ticket to YS ready and pressed between the pages of my Bobby Orr book. Here it is, Tuesday morning, and things aren’t exactly in that relation.

  438. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 6:50 am

    http://r18—sn-tt17rn7k.c.....&mv=m

    This one’s for you, Pruf. Of course Orr wouldn’t state the obvious, he had to try and look around and name someone else #1, hence Lemieux :D

  439. Tar November 19th, 2013 at 7:03 am

    “Have had a similar experience wincing at some of the things I’ve said.”

    Probably in reply to me. haha j/k

    “For me its like walking through a monument to my legend.”

    :D This is going to keep me laughing for quite some time.

    Luis

    Good morning :D re: GF…Just consider the source. He said the same about me not that long ago.

    I typed some other things ( but channeling my inner Doreen) I erased it because I think that sums it up nicely, without being dragged down myself.

    Have a good day all.

  440. blake November 19th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Got a turkey breast in brine right now…..couldn’t wait til thanksgiving

  441. mick November 19th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    The last time was with the bases jammed and I was sitting on a 3-0 count only to be K’d on check swing on a slop hook down and away
    ================================
    Fooled on a 3-0 pitch?
    What were you thinking?

  442. blake November 19th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Lets all get along. Day 18: I’m thankful that Chris Stewart may not be our catcher next year

  443. austinmac November 19th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    I agree. Let’s have a day talking about baseball rather than thinking of new insults.

    Not having Stewart as our catcher is a start for my Thnaksgiving list.

  444. Doreen November 19th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Just wondering whether Chad and his family were affected by the severe weather in the midwest the other day. Hoping and praying they were not, or if they were, that they are safe and sound.

  445. MTU November 19th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Good morning.

    Hike day today.

    Off to the Grand Canyon.

    Chad is usually very responsible about the blog.

    I hope everything is A-OK.

    If he were here to see some of the recent back-and-forth I wonder if it would have been considered
    acceptable ?

    Anyway, I hope all is well.

  446. MTU November 19th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Hi Doreen.

    Good to see you.

    Hope all is well.

    :)

  447. MTU November 19th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Some things to chew on:

    “•Cano’s original 10-year, $310MM demands haven’t changed, ESPN New York’s Andrew Marchand reports. Cano and his representatives are supposed to meet this week, with Marchand saying that the Yankees are looking for a deal in the $190-$210MM range for the star second baseman. Earlier reports suggested that Cano’s demands had changed, and I would imagine his number will lower simply because no other team could (or would) come close to that $300MM mark.
    •Also from Marchand, he hears from a source that the MLB/NPB dispute over the posting system will be settled and Masahiro Tanaka will be posted before the end of December.
    •Alex Rodriguez’s drawn-out suspension appeal and the possibility that his salary could come off the Yankees’ books for 2014 will likely delay the free agent market. “A-Rod could slow everything down,” a baseball official told Marchard. “Players always want the Yankees involved and the threat of them having extra money is leverage they probably will want to use.”
    •The Yankees, meanwhile, are hoping to get Rodriguez’s situation resolved as soon as possible. Ken Davidoff of the New York Post outlines the latest in the A-Rod appeal hearings, which resumed today.
    •The Yankees are interested in bringing back Raul Ibanez to serve as the designated hitter against righty pitchers, according to George A. King III and Ken Davidoff of the New York Post. Ibanez played for the Yankees in 2012 and “grew impatient waiting” for a contract offer last winter, eventually signing with the Mariners. Some in the Yankee organization believe it was a mistake letting Ibanez leave, particularly since he enjoyed a 29-homer season in Seattle.
    •Jhonny Peralta has been rumored to be a Yankee target but signing him could be difficult given the uncertainty with A-Rod and Derek Jeter’s continuing presence at shortstop, Andy Martino of the New York Daily News writes. “They’re going to have trouble getting a legit shortstop to go there until it’s over with Jeter,” a player agent tells Martino. The Bronx Bombers reached an agreement with Brendan Ryan earlier today, but Ryan projects as a backup while Peralta can find a clear starting job elsewhere.
    •Also from Martino, the Yankees’ interest in Peralta is bad news for the Mets, as it remains to be seen if they can afford a bidding war for Peralta’s services with the Yankees or any other free-spending team.
    •Carlos Ruiz could have been of interest to the Yankees, but with the Phillies catcher now off of the market, they’ve set their sights higher and are zeroing in on Brian McCann, Andy McCullough of the Newark Star-Ledger writes. “He’s made for New York,” one rival executive said of McCann. “This guy is as mentally tough as it gets.”

    MLBTR

  448. Doreen November 19th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Hi MTU -

    I wish I could say things were well, but you know how life can be. :)

    Anyway, watching Yankees Hot Stove discouraged me. Reading yankeefeminista’s and J-Al’s exchanges were more encouraging, and reading how Jay-Z says Robbie Cano is the next Michael Jordan left me feeling bemused. I love Robbie, but…

    Can’t believe Thanksgiving is next week already.

  449. Doreen November 19th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    “•Alex Rodriguez’s drawn-out suspension appeal and the possibility that his salary could come off the Yankees’ books for 2014 will likely delay the free agent market. “A-Rod could slow everything down,” a baseball official told Marchard. “Players always want the Yankees involved and the threat of them having extra money is leverage they probably will want to use.”

    Rather than sitting around waiting, I think that teams should be aggressive and sign up anyone that they think the Yankees might be interested in so that if the ARod money becomes available there’s no one left.

  450. MTU November 19th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Doreen-

    I hope things improve.

    Sorry to hear that.

    And I certainly do know how things can get.

    Mrs. MTU will be visiting the land of fruit and nuts w/o me so my Thanksgiving will be a rather quiet one this year.

  451. Doreen November 19th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Also, with the way salaries are going so far with respect to fairly middle-of-the-road players, I seriously don’t see how the Yankees can stay under 189 and not, once again, have to take too many gambles, and again giving themselves a razor thin margin for error.

    We saw last season how things can easily break one way or another. Most years teams get their fair share of good and bad breaks. A year where mostly everything breaks in your favor, you get a season like the Red Sox had; a year where almost nothing breaks in your favor, you get the Yankees (or, worse, the Blue Jays).

  452. Doreen November 19th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    MTU,

    Safe travels to Mrs. MTU. You will have the mops for company right?

  453. MTU November 19th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    By Xmas for a Tanaka posting ?

    Yankees better keep their powder dry.

    ;)

    And the Yankees might want cool Raul back ?

  454. MTU November 19th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Thanks Doreen.

    Yes. I am taking care of the Mops.

    “Lucky” still needs quite a bit of attention.

    He is not a great travel candidate.

    So we’ll just eat Turkey together.

    :)

  455. MTU November 19th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Catch you all later.

    Have a good day.

    :)

  456. Giuseppe Franco November 19th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Thanks all….JAP, Tar, Pat, luis, and LGY for the backup.

    You guys are absolutely right – just consider the sources.

    Hopefully something exciting will happen in Yankee Universe to steer the conversation.

    Now it’s off to the gym.

  457. tomingeorgia November 19th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    The most silence I ever encountered here. Hope all is well with Chad.

  458. blake November 19th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Just got in a big twitter war with Casey stern on Ellsbury vs Choo……lol. I gave actual reasons for my stance and he basically said he was rigt because he’s a radio host

  459. Kelvin November 19th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    LOL, that is hilarious Blake. It happened to me before but with Frank Isola. I was suggesting Knicks moves that should’ve been done and told him to stop bashing the knicks. He got so upset he felt the need to message me, how he is professional and works with them and I’m just a fan and know nothing.

    These guys are incredible.

  460. blake November 19th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    I’m all for debate but it annoys me when I’m giving actual reasoning and they just basically say they are right just because……

  461. J. Alfred Prufrock November 19th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Guys, FYI: Chad is on vacation.

  462. Doreen November 19th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    J. Alfred -

    Thank you for that information. I started to worry when I read about the path of the storm – not that he was injured, but just displaced.

  463. Doreen November 19th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    And I wasn’t worried he was injured only because the reports have been fairly positive in that regard.

  464. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    “If he were here to see some of the recent back-and-forth I wonder if it would have been considered
    acceptable ?”

    I try to ignore the gratuitous posts, so as not to fan the flames. However, my thought is it isn’t hard to self-police and realize what is and isn’t acceptable. The problem is that some people here can’t or won’t self-police. If you call them out, they don’t respond in good faith; if you don’t, they continue to flame. Therefore, it becomes a catch 22 without a moderator to keep everyone on a well-intentioned path. No one should have to read gratuitous personal posts about themselves. It is egregiously bad form. Just because you are on the internet doesn’t mean you shouldn’t show the proper etiquette toward fellow posters. Practice what you preach.

  465. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Vacation? I fly in my mind, don’t care much for physical shifts. Alfred, posted an early Bobby orr gift this morning for you, because……I just have to be right :D

  466. mick November 19th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    I try to ignore the gratuitous posts, so as not to fan the flames.
    ================
    Could you be more specific?

  467. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Btw, tomorrow mlb teams must have their 40 man rosters firmed for upcoming Rule 5 Draft (December 12). It’ll be interesting to see who we try to slip through (a la Nova after 2008 season). The biggies we will add to 40 man include Heathcott, Sanchez, Mitchell, Greene, Campos and then we have relievers Burawa, Kahnle and Whitley (converting to a SP?) or also need to be accounted for…

  468. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    *who also need to be accounted for…

    Do we release Nixy with Ryan in the mix?

  469. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    mick, I think it is obvious.

  470. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Doreen, did you see on the 2014 sched that Charleston is at Lakewood on Apr. 21-23?

  471. mick November 19th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    There are clearly 2 factions at work here.

  472. austinmac November 19th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    We posters need to understand none of our opinions have value in the real world. Maybe we should not be so full of ourselves and be willing to have others show other points of view?

    Heck, I even admit the one time I may have been wrong. :)

  473. blake November 19th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    “Heck, I even admit the one time I may have been wrong. ”

    Mighty big of you Mac :)

  474. Doreen November 19th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    yankeefeminista -

    I had not seen, but I saw your post last night. Will be checking it out and keeping my fingers crossed that “life does not get in the way” of my going to at least one game. :)

    Thanks.

  475. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    My guess is were Chad not on vacation that he would have a new post on rule 5. I imagine RAB does. So, I will check and if they do I will post the link. You can consider that the new thread/topic of convo.

  476. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Doreen, we only have that one shot b/c the Dogs come in just that once. I am hoping there are no conflicts too, both in life and baseball. I will take a look at other Yankee/and affiliates scheds.

  477. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Rule 5 (etc.) RAB link: http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....oll-96549/

  478. Wave Your Hat November 19th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Some people who post here just have trouble letting things go.

  479. mick November 19th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    If someone is rubbed the wrong way by another and expresses it, I don’t see the need for uproar and indignation. It’s an honest concern and needs to be addressed.

  480. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    I see RAB is mentioning Campos, which has been one of the players around which a debate is taking place. Do you protect him even though he is no where near ready and hope you slip him through (you assume he won’t stick on someone else’s 25 man) or do you protect him and waste a spot?

  481. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    *who has been…

  482. JobaTipsHisCap November 19th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    JayZ met with Muts?
    this is just too moronic. I hope cano’s free agent market is so tiny that he got screwed up badly in the end.

  483. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Josh Norris ?@jnorris427 12m
    Thanks to Brent Lewis and @johnmanuelBA over here at BA headquarters, we found this nugget: J.R. Murphy’s 105 games caught topped all MiLB.
    ___
    He probably was running out of gas by the end there. I look forward to him having an even better 2014.

  484. tomingeorgia November 19th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    yankeefem,
    I can’t see a team burning a 25 roster spot on him at this stage.

  485. randy l. November 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    hey, been busy.

    have the the yankees still not made the playoffs in 2013?

    oh, i thought maybe there’d be an injury recount or something with the new replay rules.

    the yankees must have hit the ground running to get ready for 2014.

    failing to make the playoffs must have really lit a fire under them.

    you know what they say, when the going gets tough, the tough get going.

    im sure hal, randy levine , and brian took that to heart.

    they’re on it.

    no worries :)

  486. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    tom, me neither. Think they “Nova” him? Or would they consider it too much of a risk anyway? Symbolic diss?

    Ken Davidoff ?@KenDavidoff 4h
    The #Yankees have expressed interest in a reunion with DH-OF Raul Ibanez. http://bit.ly/I0uld7

    How thrilling. :roll:

  487. blake November 19th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Yanks trying to corner the market on old DHs

  488. blake November 19th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    @ESPNNYYankees: A shot of reality potion for Cano: Levine says unless 2B gets “more realistic, we have nothing to talk about.” Story soon on @ESPNNewYork

  489. Mottsx November 19th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    10:22am: Jay-Z meets with Mets to secure concert series at Citifield. No baseball news here.

    10:04am: The Mets told Cano’s camp prior to the meeting that the chances of a deal were very slim, but they didn’t want to say “no” off the bat, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. ESPN’s Adam Rubin tweets that the Mets took the meeting primarily as a means of getting to know a new agent, Jay-Z.

  490. Bret The Hitman November 19th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Jorge Posada did the same thing.

    I dare you to sign with the Mets, Robinson.

  491. austinmac November 19th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    I fear we will again corner the market in old players again this winter. They are cheap and willing to do one year contracts, fulfilling all requirements for signings.

    Honestly, I have no clue what will happen this winter. Cano or no Cano? High end signings committing years and money or no? Spend or save AROD money?

  492. randy l. November 19th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    blake-

    i predict you are going to raise your BBQ game to a new high in 2014.

    your BBQ expertise probably is on an inverse relationship with the time you put into the yankees.

    i ‘m expecting to take up lots of new hobbies.

    BBQ might be one of them .

    organic with no GMOs of course :)

  493. austinmac November 19th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    I remember being glad when Cano left Boras thinking that might suggest an early deal. Now, we see they want to make a mark to show others how good they are. Cano an icon? I don’t think so. They are rare and require more than being a good player. The fans will turn out to watch a good Yankee team but not for a bad one irrepsective of whether Cano is there.

  494. randy l. November 19th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    “Honestly, I have no clue what will happen this winter. Cano or no Cano?”

    austin mac-

    there is no much about how this year is set up for us to get excited .

    you among others have seen this coming for a long while.

    yankeefeminista has the right approach i think. she looks for the green shoots. the young players coming up.

    there’s seriously not much else to get excited about if you do the calculus.

  495. blake November 19th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    “your BBQ expertise probably is on an inverse relationship with the time you put into the yankees.”

    Pretty much….there isn’t a restaurant within 15 minutes of where I live now either so kinda had to start cooking more ……gettin ready to put a turkey on soon

  496. austinmac November 19th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Randy,

    Let’s have your thoughts on what the Yankees should do. I clearly say they should ignore the artificial cap and sign Cano, McCann, Peralta or Drew, Choo or Beltran, two starters and Balfour.

    It is more likely our plate will be filled with Ryan, Ibanez and that ilk.

    The team should think income first and expenses second. Income can drop far more than expenses, in my view.

  497. randy l. November 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    blake-

    i can honestly say your enthusiasm for BBQ has got me interested.

    i’ll be doing something next spring and summer for sure.

  498. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    La cbc radio just played a piece from the album, ” Glassworks “, by Philip Glass, which I have, but was too stupid to recognize it when I saw the film, ” The Hours “.

    A horrendous quantity of Christmas music coming through the airways now,….the gas oven is appearing better all the time. Granted, I do like, ” Grandma’ got run over by a Reindeer”, by the Irish Rovers, along with, ” Christmas in New York “, by the Pogues.

  499. chicken little November 19th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    This Cano stuff is kind of silly. To me, the Yanks should figure out how much they are willing to pay and for how many years. they should make an offer for close to that and give cano a deadline to accept (two weeks sounds reasonable to me), telling him there is very very very little flexibility on moving off the number. if no deal then, move on.

  500. randy l. November 19th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    and too bad hal wasn’t as interested in the yankees as you are in BBQ.

    having some passion for something tends to get other people excited.

  501. blake November 19th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Randy,
    It’s fun and you get to eat it

  502. randy l. November 19th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    time to board

    no BBQ on jet blue :)

  503. UpState November 19th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    ….there isn’t a restaurant within 15 minutes of where I live now either so kinda had to start cooking more ……
    ===============================

    not LI, NJ, or Westchester we are thinking….

  504. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Cano’s camp is just posturing at this point/same old patterns of negotiations/leverage. I won’t take any of this seriously until around January.

    As for signing Rauuuul, in the Post article it mentions that some of our esteemed Yankee people think it was “a mistake” that they didn’t bring back Ibanez in 2013. That about sums up our mentality. Not bringing back Ibanez was a mistake, but not trying to get Darvish wasn’t, because, you know, he isn’t cut out for New York? LOL. Guess that new advanced metrics approach to evaluating intangibles is the latest Yankee thing, trumping good ole ability to evaluate a player’s talent level… We really nailed it on Darvish. Seriously, teams are trying to quantify/apply advanced metrics to intangibles, and apparently older free agent types like Ibanez are true character types that will catapult us to the playoffs, but not Japanese pitchers like Darvish.

    Randy, at least I have an uber team to watch in Trenton. The sharp pain/memory of our total ineptitude beginning in the 2010 playoffs vs. Texas has now become a dull pain. However, Yankee milb fixes and the less acute pain I have become resigned to regarding our current Yankee team doesn’t provide much relief when we are talking about a team that didn’t have to be in such dire straits. But it is what it is. Sigh.

    jmills, Einstein on the beach, anyone? As for Christmas, I prefer the early music like that performed by Anonymous 4, but have a soft spot in my heart for Lennon Happy Xmas (War is Over). Momentarily heading to the greatest city in the world; eat it, Boston.

  505. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Safe flight, Randy.

  506. Wave Your Hat November 19th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    blake-

    Ever smoke a leg of lamb? I smoked one in my Bullet a few weekends ago and I think it was incredible.

  507. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    John Manuel ?@johnmanuelba 14m
    Breaking news from @BenBadler Cuban SS Erisbel Arruebarruena has left the island. Think Iglesias, Hech w/glove http://www.baseballamerica.com.....aves-cuba/

  508. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Ben Badler ?@BenBadler 13m
    Erisbel Arruebarruena, one of the best defensive shortstops on the planet, has left Cuba to sign with an MLB team: http://bit.ly/1aDZexL

    Can the guy hit league average?

  509. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    John Manuel ?@johnmanuelba 14m
    Ben also has confirmed RHP Raicel Iglesias is out of Cuba. We saw him throw 95 mph vs. @USABaseballCNT this summer http://www.baseballamerica.com.....aves-cuba/

    Let’s go after him as well.

  510. tomingeorgia November 19th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    WYH,
    I’ve done a leg of lamb, and I agree, it was outstanding. Problem is, lamb isn’t a Southern thing, hard to find and very expensive around here if you can find it.

  511. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    More info on Iglesias:

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....aves-cuba/

  512. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    yf, will look up those notions; I’ve got scrap pieces of paper all over the house with suggestions via you people.

  513. GregD November 19th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    the free agent market is far too quiet………everyone is asking for the moon……..

  514. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    jmills, try cutting and pasting? :) I also listen to Russian liturgical chants during Xmas, but am not very happy with that country’s recent policies right about now…

  515. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    GregD, I don’t like that Hal is so involved. I fear we will make some dumb signings to show our good intentions, but the moves will end up being cosmetic because the makeup of this team is problematic.

  516. blake November 19th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Wave Your Hat says:
    November 19, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    blake-

    Ever smoke a leg of lamb? I smoked one in my Bullet a few weekends ago and I think it was incredible.

    Nope .. I’ve wanted to though but like Tom said it’s just not a southern thing…..I think that’s big in Kentucky . I’m sure it’s great

  517. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    yf, IMO, remove my hockey team from putrid Putin’s Olympic affair, let the Russians play with themselves,….unless you can go to jail for that as well. In my own small way, no Russian vodka.

  518. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    jmills, I love the Russian people; they are some of the biggest hearted people in the world, but Putin…

  519. Wave Your Hat November 19th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Occasionally you get a leg of lamb on sale, get it and pop it in the smoker with a middle eastern rub of some sort and I guarantee Southern folk will eat it up.

  520. tomingeorgia November 19th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    blake,
    I’ve heard that Southerners aversion to lamb dates back to WWI, when the primary protein fed to doughboys was mutton, every day.

  521. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Yes, yf, I feel for the average Russian. No matter how bad my day might be, it is still so much better than the abject malaise that so many are bound by.

  522. blake November 19th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    November 19, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    blake,
    I’ve heard that Southerners aversion to lamb dates back to WWI, when the primary protein fed to doughboys was mutton, every day.

    Could be….I don’t know Nuttin about Mutton

  523. blake November 19th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Tom ,
    Fixin to smoke a turkey breast…..any tips? I brined it for about 6 hours or so

  524. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    jmills, I don’t want any of my nhl playoffs in the Olympics. The last time they were there, they had nothing left at all for the playoffs. I liked the old hockey Olympics when amateurs played. The NHL can just go back to Canada Cups for all I care…

  525. yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    any of my nhl *players (not playoffs)

  526. tomingeorgia November 19th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    blake,
    Just my old mantra: “Low and slow”. You can really dry out a turkey breast any other way.

  527. blake November 19th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    I’m injecting some butter in that sucker

  528. GregD November 19th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    GregD, I don’t like that Hal is so involved. I fear we will make some dumb signings to show our good intentions, but the moves will end up being cosmetic because the makeup of this team is problematic.
    ——————-
    The dynamics of that front office are hard to figure out….. Hal hasn’t appeared to be involved in baseball decisions, Hank signed ARod, what does Newman and Levine do?

  529. blake November 19th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Tom

    I’ve been cookin ribs a little hotter at 275 lately and I really like how they turn out…..seems like the fat renders out a lot better at that temp and the bark sets better. I can’t tell any difference in tenderness and they almos seem less dry. I do wrap after 2 hours though

  530. Bo knows November 19th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    YF

    I also listen to Russian liturgical chants during Xmas, but am not very happy with that country’s recent policies right about now…

    ———————–
    Copies of copies of the originals

    Kyiv Chamber Choir

    http://www.reverbnation.com/kyivchamberchoir

  531. jacksquat November 19th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    Ben Badler ?@BenBadler 13m
    Erisbel Arruebarruena, one of the best defensive shortstops on the planet, has left Cuba to sign with an MLB team: http://bit.ly/1aDZexL

    Can the guy hit league average?

    Wow, what a name.

  532. Doreen November 19th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    On the one hand, I think it’s a good thing for Hal to be involved – he should be. On the other hand, you hope it’s a good type of involvement with good results, and maybe he finally feels he’s learned enough to be confidently involved?

    Who the heck knows.

  533. jacksquat November 19th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    GregD November 19th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    yankeefeminista November 19th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    GregD, I don’t like that Hal is so involved. I fear we will make some dumb signings to show our good intentions, but the moves will end up being cosmetic because the makeup of this team is problematic.
    ——————-
    The dynamics of that front office are hard to figure out….. Hal hasn’t appeared to be involved in baseball decisions, Hank signed ARod, what does Newman and Levine do?

    Levine sticks his nose in where it doesn’t belong.

  534. jacksquat November 19th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Erisbel Barbaro Arruebarruena is his full name.

    I guess Girardi would call him “Barbie”. :D

  535. Shame Spencer November 19th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    How’s everyone doing this afternoon…? Did we make the Yankees better yet? :D

  536. GregD November 19th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Shame Spencer November 19th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
    How’s everyone doing this afternoon…? Did we make the Yankees better yet? :D
    —————–

    We are still working on it……..we need some more money for Cano and we don’t have any more wheelbarrows…… :)

  537. Shame Spencer November 19th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Doreen – Agree on the market.. maybe fem’s article shed some light on what their strategy will really be and they’ll focus on international talent instead of high priced free agents. This market is going to be full of good players going for elite player money.

  538. tomingeorgia November 19th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    blake,
    There are different strokes for different folks. Me? I’m lazy, and I don’t like to be bothered with the foil and precision timing, so I keep the heat low and the smoke thick. I also like to let stuff lay out a while after rubbing before it goes in. All takes longer, in the end, but less trouble and watchfulness. I began doing turkeys in a big Weber a long time ago. My method took eight or nine hours for 22 lb bird, but the result was so good I’ve used that method ever since, on everything. There’s more than one way to skin a cat, and I can speed things up, a lot, if I need to, but I seldom do.

  539. Shame Spencer November 19th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Greg – I wanted this Cano thing sealed up quickly but it was wishful thinking on my part. :(

    We’re in for a long winter… I get nauseous just thinking about it.

  540. vc 11 November 19th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Guys,

    Did Chad go on vacation?

  541. ron November 19th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Signing cano for more than 6/168 would be a mistake.
    Everybody fears not signing cano,but it allows us to upgrade elsewhere,and avoid a bad contract.
    I’d quickly sign peralta for 3b,wich allows arod to dh.Then one big outfielder,tanaka,jimenez,mccann,but no more than 3 years for mccann,and either sign a 2b,or trade nunez combined with a few players,prospects for a 2b.
    Peralta,one of the big fa outfirlders,tanaka,jimenez,mccann would cost about 70 million,max,so we should be under the 189 if no cano,and should still have money for a 2b,and closer.

    peralta-10 million
    choo/ellsbury/cruz-15 million
    tanaka-12 million
    jimenez-13 million
    McCann-15 million
    2b-???
    closer-???

    They have about 66-75 million to spend,without cano,and before arods suspention,so it can be done.It will be tight,but we can sign all of the above,and stay under the 189,with a major overhaul.Plus arod will be suspended for some length.
    We can’t wait as all fa players come off the board like last year,and be forced to sign what’s left.
    I’d start now.

  542. ron November 19th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....-threshold

  543. AAA November 19th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Jorge Posada did the same thing.

    I dare you to sign with the Mets, Robinson.

    =============================

    Posada did successfully use the Mets as leverage for a 4th year from the Yankees that they correctly wanted no part of.

  544. AAA November 19th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    but no more than 3 years for mccann

    =================

    Agree with maxing out at 3 years on McCann, but the fact is that that simply won’t get it done.

  545. jacksquat November 19th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Yankees Won’t Wait For Cano Before Pursuing Other Free Agents
    By Steve Adams [November 19 at 12:52pm CST]
    Reports have indicated that Robinson Cano is willing to wait until January to get the deal that he’s looking for, but don’t expect the Yankees to exercise similar patience. Yankees president Randy Levine told Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News that the team is interested in five or six free agents and doesn’t plan on waiting for resolution on the Cano front before making offers:

    “We’re not waiting around,” Levine said. “If guys start to come off the board, we’re going to sign them, which will affect the amount of money we have left for other players including [Cano].”

    The Yankees have been connected to Jhonny Peralta, Carlos Beltran, Brian McCann and Stephen Drew recently, and Andy McCullough of the Star-Ledger quotes Levine as saying that the team is engaged in talks with some of its own free agents as well. Presumably, that would include the likes of Hiroki Kuroda and Curtis Granderson.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html

    Good if true.

  546. GregD November 19th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Shame Spencer November 19th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    Greg – I wanted this Cano thing sealed up quickly but it was wishful thinking on my part. :(

    We’re in for a long winter… I get nauseous just thinking about it.
    ——————–
    Shame….unfortunately, the only way we get Cano signed early is overwhelm him and none of us want that………..

  547. ron November 19th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    The above suggestions would be just like what the rs did in free agency,but much better talent.Obviously we’d need production from cc,tex,jeter,and a lot of luck,but no different than what any team needs to win it all.
    The worst thing we can do is sign cano,and struggle to turn over the rest of the lineup as every player gets older.
    We should have learned our lesson that nix,nunez,adams,wells,ichiro,etc… is not the answer.
    We can upgrade in several areas,and still stay under the 189.

    McCann
    tex
    2b
    jeter
    peralta
    Soriano
    choo/ells/cruz
    gardner
    ichiro/wells

    Soriano can dh til arod returns,ichiro,and wells cover backup outfielder.If we can’t sign a 2b,we should trade for one,and not be afraid to trade a heathcott,mason Williams,nunez,cervelli,etc… for one.
    I wanted to trade for kipnis,before he took off.

  548. Mottsx November 19th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Yankees need to sign pitching ASAP before the market explodes and guys like Nolasco are getting $18M a year. Forget Cano for now…. if he’s still there around Christmas… sorry WHEN he is still there around Christmas he will gladly take 7/175 from the Yankees.

  549. jacksquat November 19th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    What’s everyone’s maximum offer for Cano, the most you would offer before you cut him loose?

    I think mine is 8/184 (8×23).

  550. astrocityfan November 19th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Seriously, is something wrong with the page or is chad not around? This is very unusual.

  551. ron November 19th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    We don’t know what it will take for McCann in reality,and if we have too,we go the 4th year,but maybe less aav,or look at another catcher,or maybe don’t sign a catcher,and go for another outfielder,etc…We can’t wait,or be conservative,and there is a lot of money to spend to get it done.
    I’d go hard after peralta,mccann,tanaka,jimenez,a big outfielder,a2b,closer.
    With arod getting suspended,even for half the year,we should still be under the 189.
    It will be tigh.but doable.
    Maybe we trade nunez,cervelli,or trade ichiro,or wells to get it done,or something along those lines.

  552. Mottsx November 19th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Realistic Max Offer 8/200 Should get it done.

  553. tomingeorgia November 19th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    astro,
    Somebody said Chad is on vacation. I think it’s that White Plains is contained in a Cone of Silence.

  554. blake November 19th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Tom,
    I like to tinker…..I’m too ADD. I’m hoping this turkey turns out good….looks great. You you inject or rub yours with anything?

  555. blake November 19th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    jacksquat says:
    November 19, 2013 at 2:11 pm
    What’s everyone’s maximum offer for Cano, the most you would offer before you cut him loose?

    I think mine is 8/184 (8×23).

    Id reluctantly go to 8/200 because to me that’s like the lowest number that’s realistic…..how far Id go past that totally depends on Hal and how he will hold the contract against them if it goes south

  556. UpState November 19th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Phillies Sign Reid Brignac To Minor League Deal

    ————————————

    Damn…and there goes his girlfriend, too !

    (well worth the look !)

  557. Shame Spencer November 19th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    I ordered a turducken for Thanksgiving. Seriously looking forward to that.

  558. blake November 19th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    I have never had turducken …..I think it’d be extremely hard to cook one though if you did it all together…. Seems like all the different parts would get done at different times

  559. tomingeorgia November 19th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    blake,
    A turkey gets rubbed with olive oil, salt and pepper, sage, garlic powder and oregano maybe some butter slipped under the skin, then basted every so often from the under pan. I don’t inject anything when I smoke, but I do when I deep fry.

    I think your 8/200 mil is what it will come to, less, I hope.

  560. blake November 19th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Tom ,
    Sounds good…..I made a Cajun type rub and coated with olive oil then injected a little butter. It’s just a breast so I wanted some extra moisture in there. We should know in couple of hours

  561. Shame Spencer November 19th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    blake – I think something about the layers of stuffing in between each meat keeps everything stay moist while letting all the layers get cooked.

    My brother wants to deep fry the thing lol.

  562. Shame Spencer November 19th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    The best part about NBA season is watching things like ‘World Peace: 18 pts’ scroll across your screen.

  563. blake November 19th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    There are very few things that deep frying can’t make better

  564. tomingeorgia November 19th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    blake,
    I draw the line at Snickers bars. Ever go to the Texas State Fair? Just the fumes from frying stuff will clog arteries within hours. Doesn’t mean the stuff didn’t taste great, though.

  565. Hankflorida November 19th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Let’s have your thoughts on what the Yankees should do. I clearly say they should ignore the artificial cap and sign Cano, McCann, Peralta or Drew, Choo or Beltran, two starters and Balfour.

    Austimac, I am with you on your wish list, but this is not the reign of King George but of his son, Prince Hal the Frugal, who will lower costs and hope that the income will not change as long as there are three spots open to play in October. I think that Hal will go below the cap but still try to field a team that will have a chance for at least the 2nd Wildcard. The problem is that the Yankees do not have the pieces in their farm system to compete with lower salaries, and to quote the Bard, “There’s the rub.”

  566. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    “Personally, I’d be very skeptical of the professional opinion of an attorney that has this much free time to convince the blog how correct she is.”

    Personally, if you’re ever a REAL attorney and not just a law student who thinks he knows everything, some day you too may have the ability to do well enough that you can work for yourself and set your own hours. But as long as you’re being your co*ky self, I will point out to you that you were dead wrong when you tried to correct me about arbitrations and appeals. I didn’t want to embarrass you by pointing it out, so I just let it go. But since you think you’re tough enough to call me out, I’ll give you a hint, law student. Learn not to shout your mouth off about legal stuff until you learn how to research. Do they still teach Shepardizing in law school?

    Don’t quote general definitions from your law book unless you know the definition fits every venue.

    “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound”

    You did indeed.

    Now chew on that a while.

    **************

    “No one buys a word of it.”

    Ah, Jesus 1 returns, speaking for everyone!

    And to all who saw through Prufrock and called him on his nasty attempts to divide the forum a la Montero, while I was still defending him, I say this:

    I was defending him, but I wasn’t paying enough attention; my “friendship” clouded my judgment. I happened to see the exchange while searching for something else. I winced at my “loyal” but unseeing defense of someone who did not deserve, in retrospect, the benefit of the doubt.

    My apology comes at least a year late. Sorry about that.

  567. austinmac November 19th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    It is disappointing not to have any Yankee trade talk. It seems as if we have little to trade. Changes must come from the more expensive free agent route.

  568. pkyankfan69 November 19th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Big Mike just gave Bronson Arroyo a 20 minute long BJ interview.

  569. blake November 19th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    blake,
    I draw the line at Snickers bars. Ever go to the Texas State Fair? Just the fumes from frying stuff will clog arteries within hours. Doesn’t mean the stuff didn’t taste great, though.

    Nah but I been to the NC state fair…..fried Coke, Oreos, snickers…..pretty much anything you can think of

  570. UpState November 19th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    I thought most everybody here loved Nunez & Musterlungier (?)….what’s their value ???

    Who else are we ‘hugging’ waaaaaay too tight ?

    (tough to predict…but there’s gotta be a dozen of halfway decent chips available…no ?)

  571. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Funny how everything was peaceful until LGY decided to come on with his sniper gun and then his alter ego Prufrock – who has not been missed at all by anyone (two can play that game) – came on with his latest dramatic rendition of My Shots Are Endless, My Soul Still Black, also known as “I am carrying this poisonous venom around in my body and it eats away at me daily, and try as I may, I can’t find a way to purge it. I’ve said the most vile things that I could possibly say, made the most scurrilous accusations, I’ve scowled, I’ve sneered, I’ve gotten others to join me, I’ve screamed and howled from the depths of my blackened soul, from the soles of my feet, I’ve cursed the gods, I’ve changed screen names, I’ve pleaded and begged the powers that be, and still trisha is posting on the forum. I see her name and a rage builds up inside me that causes me to relive every moment of my cursed (pronounced cur-sed) existence since the day that she insulted Jorge Posada by suggesting that he should not longer be catching. Why, I ask God, why? What did I do to have to live such a tortured existence. My soul knows no peace, my mind no rest.”

    *******************

    “There are very few things that deep frying can’t make better”

    Your arteries.

  572. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Now, back to Yankee baseball.

    :)

  573. Wave Your Hat November 19th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Free agent prices are inflating but the Yanks seem to be operating on a fixed budget. Lots of talk about who the Yanks are looking at but I’m not getting a good feeling about it.

  574. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Sorry I meant to mention this in my previous post but was so inflamed with passion (or it could have just been my sciatic nerve that was inflamed) that I forgot. I checked the archives and found no trace of the following assertion made by the always truthful “Pruf”:

    “By the way, I need to tell you, regarding your attempt to explain to me (then Bodhisattva) that a certain someone was disrespectful of others’ views and basically was behaving the bully and basically being an uncivil loudmouth – that you were right.”

    Hmmm. I hope it wasn’t just another of those needs to purge, accompanied by some made-up background story that appeared to give the purge the air of legitimacy.

    Don’t know what I’m going to do with that boy! Failing grades, won’t come out of his room at night. I’m starting to get worried.

    :D

  575. Hans Davenport November 19th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Mets met with Jay Z today.

  576. joeman November 19th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    if the NYY give Cano 8 years they are nuts…this is how they got to where they are now

  577. joeman November 19th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    might get 4 years him as the player he is now

  578. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    It is beyond odd thinking of Jay Z meeting with anyone as a sports agent.

    If Robby goes elsewhere, he does. I’m pretty sure Jay Z is a huge Yankee fan. Maybe that will count for something.

    Don’t know who, if anyone, Robby is close to on the Yankees. Maybe other than the recognition of the Stadium and the clubhouse, the Yankees are no longer a brand to Robby, though I would think his dad would encourage him to go pinstripes.

    It’s a different world out there, sports fans.

  579. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    “if the NYY give Cano 8 years they are nuts…this is how they got to where they are now”

    Totally agree.

  580. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    This doesn’t have the feel of “George’s Yankees” – whatever that means.

  581. Yankee Trader November 19th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Mets aren’t giving out a higher contract that David wright got-138M

    On Cano from his agent:

    “At this point, he is open to exploring a number of those situations while also keeping a respectful eye on what the Yankees’ future looks like as well,” Van Wagenen said.

    Just my humble opinion, but in order for the Yankees future,2014, to look better, they either fill the multiple holes with free agents from a list of pitchers like Kiroda, Tanaka, Jimenez, etc., and offensive holes from choices like Infante, Peralta, McCann, Choo, Beltran, etc.

    Then If the plan is to stay under the 189, after the many holes are patched, the Yankees won’t have room for Cano, even though he has waited ” keeping a respectful eye on what the Yankees’ future looks like.”

    Is this the double edged sword?

  582. Mike in Harrisburg November 19th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    I would like to see the Yankees sign Peralta and see if Cano blinks.

  583. Yankee Trader November 19th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Is Chad on an early Thanksgiving well deserved, vacation?

  584. Abe Peterham November 19th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    I’m hoping the yanks get a sense if the fan pulse . The majority don’t want to see Cano for 8 years.

    I say let him go. Problem is free agent crop stinks and we have no trade chips or youngsters coming up…

    Yes I am stating the obvious…. Just bored w no action in the MLB or this page post :(

  585. Yankee Trader November 19th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    In the meantime, Cano’s representatives are gauging the market outside the Bronx. On Tuesday, Jay-Z and Wagenen held a meeting with a contingent of Mets officials, including chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon, general manager Sandy Alderson and assistant GM John Ricco.

    It figures to be a long shot to actually see Cano changing boroughs. Alderson said at last week’s GM Meetings that he could not see the Mets giving out another $100 million contract, saying that team captain David Wright’s eight-year, $138 million pact had come under “special circumstances.”

  586. AAA November 19th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    if the NYY give Cano 8 years they are nuts…this is how they got to where they are now

    ==============================

    It’s part of it. Some of it has been a general unwillingness to consider extending some of their star players before they hit free agency. Cano’s last two seasons were option years. Wonder why the Yankees didn’t look to extend Cano in following the 2011 season, when a 7-8 year old deal for a then 28 yr old Cano might have been a little more palatable.

  587. Wave Your Hat November 19th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    The Yanks may actually have to finish last in the AL East before they wake up.

  588. Yankee Trader November 19th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    ARod decision might not come down till late December.
    Same with posting and decision where Tanaka signs.
    Waiting on Cano until late this year or in January, will cost the Yankees to get any of the better free agents, who will want to sign earlier before some of monies from teams willing to spend, dries up.

  589. Yankee Trader November 19th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Have a great evening.

  590. mick November 19th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    This will be the referendum on Hal. To this point he has gotten away scott-free.
    If Cano walks and he doesn’t get McCann, he is already in the minus column.
    While Tanaka is a crap shoot, Kuroda is as well.
    There are no other 2 pitchers out there that will whet fans appetites for tickets.

  591. Pat M. November 19th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    The Yankee Front Office with the ownership sitting in the back seat giving directions, drove themselves right into this pending disaster. What a freekin mess.

  592. mick November 19th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Hal might spend again after this tax is reset.

  593. joeman November 19th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg November 19th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
    I would like to see the Yankees sign Peralta and see if Cano blinks.

    ————————————————–
    so this is going to be the landing spot for PEDs users

  594. Bret The Hitman November 19th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Sometimes you guys sound like you’re competing in a contest who can sound the most depressed.

    The Yankees have been linked to every free agent out there. They’re in the mix for any of these guys. There is no one free agent out there who is unattainable. They’ve even been rumored to be involved in trade talks for Freese. These signs definitely don’t jibe with past off seasons.

    I wouldn’t touch Peralta.

    Wait for Hanley Ramirez free agency after this upcoming season.

  595. Wave Your Hat November 19th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Bret-

    Watch what they do and not what they say. So far, they’ve signed Brendan Ryan.

  596. Pat M. November 19th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    mick. spend on what after the tax resets ???? It appears that they will spend and sign players out of desperation and once again it just appears that there isn’t a real plan in effect other than the famous ” 189 “. Some of these guys who the Bombers are linked to are players that they would have most likely pass on in previous winters.

  597. mick November 19th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Make Jay Z and Robbie squirm a little and sign McCann.

  598. mick November 19th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    pat m…spend on mccann and cano for starters

  599. mick November 19th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    it doesn’t matter who they get if CC and Nova don’t perform they go nowhere

  600. Hankflorida November 19th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    austinmac November 19th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
    It is disappointing not to have any Yankee trade talk. It seems as if we have little to trade. Changes must come from the more expensive free agent route.

    I do not think anyone can dispute your supposition if the Yankees want to be competitive in the next few years. Starting from scratch and being dependent on draft picks is a long term project, and I would gladly leave that to the team across the river where their ballpark is more condusive to manufacturing runs and high ball pitchers with no DH. The only route is the free agent way with keeping the power bats of Granderson and Cano. Adding McCaan, a power hitting DH and some good arms to the mix would definitely keep us playing in October.

  601. mick November 19th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    The only route is the free agent way with keeping the power bats of Granderson and Cano. Adding McCaan, a power hitting DH and some good arms to the mix would definitely keep us playing in October.
    ====================
    Get em all HankFla, I agree. Reset the tax another year, if at all…

  602. austinmac November 19th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    The lefty reliever, Lopez, we asked to wait until later to get serious with is signing with the Giants. This could be the sign of things to come as we wait on Cano and AROD.

  603. Pat M. November 19th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    mick, of course that is and would be a start but this shotgun approach to putting a club together is more than likely to fail. They literally lack a foundation to build upon. They had a chance over the past few winters to infuse young key players and of course you know my thoughts about moving Cano and Granderson for additional young talent. Everyone gets all hung up about Cano being a lifetime Yankee and all the rest of the BS. Neither side is rushing to preserve this myth .

  604. mick November 19th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    One thing for sure, they are spending 300m on Cano.
    Using the 189 as a baseline as JZ uses 300 would create a middle ground of 250 but that is too high.
    If some team bites, he’s a goner.

  605. austinmac November 19th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Mick,

    I’m glad to see you on the “get them all plan”. The cap cannot work this year. Have the farm produce and it could work.

  606. austinmac November 19th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Monument Park didn’t carry the day with Cano. I hope that wasn’t the plan.

  607. mick November 19th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    pat m.. i see your point but refuse to dwell on it.
    let’s just hope this is all a bargaining tool and not a be all end all.

  608. mick November 19th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    One thing for sure, they are spending 300m on Cano.
    ==========
    of course I meant to say “not.”

  609. mick November 19th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    I’m glad to see you on the “get them all plan”.
    =====================
    Mac-
    Like I said I am giving Hal this OS to see what he is made of.
    If he does not produce I will unleash my rage, but not as of yet.

  610. Bret The Hitman November 19th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    The problem with the Yankees farm is they have not yet transitioned to permaculture.

  611. mick November 19th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    If losing Cano results in a lineup of:

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Beltran
    McCann
    Choo
    Teixiera
    Soriano
    Phillips
    Freese

    Would you do it?

  612. Bret The Hitman November 19th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Yes, if they sign Tanaka and Jimenez.

  613. mick November 19th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    would that lineup go over the cap?
    phillips and freese might have to be replaced by brian roberts and nunez at 3rd.
    get tanaka and kuroda and do it, over or not.

  614. Pat M. November 19th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    mick…..if cano was to sign elsewhere I would sincerely hope that the Yanks resist on the signing of any A type players that have draft pick implications attached to them. I’ve been a Yanks fan dating back to The Mantle & Maris homerun derby days of 1961, but the truth is at some point they need to rebuild and look at 2017 as the year they become a factor again. At this point just try to resign Cano ( 6 @ 25-27 million, resign Granderson, move on Tanaka and Kuroda. Just don’t lose the chance of getting some real good young players in June’s draft. It’s a real mess

  615. blake November 19th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Turkey was good and I love to smoke things but the verdict is that there is no substitute for baptism in peanut oil for turkey

  616. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    “Hal might spend again after this tax is reset.”

    I think that’s what a friend of mine was saying the other day. He’s someone I know from walking in the park. There’s a bunch of Yankee fans there and we always talk to each other. He’s not upset about staying at $189 and said that they can reset the tax in 2014 and spend what they want. He also said something about 17%, I believe.

    I admit I don’t pay attention to any of the financial talk, so I really have no idea where he got the 17%, etc., but he seemed to think that staying with $189 for 2014 wasn’t bad and then there could be a free for all without penalty after that.

  617. Pat M. November 19th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    Wow, East Carolina giving Duke all they can handle. Go Pirates

  618. Bret The Hitman November 19th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    I absolutely love Jabari Parker’s game.

  619. Pat M. November 19th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Tricia. Well that all fine and wonderful that Hal Steinbrenner will have all this cash in his bulging pockets, but there’ll be nothing to spend it on as the projected pool is looking very bare

  620. Bret The Hitman November 19th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Add Cano and Choo, stay under.

    Then next year, add Hanley Ramirez.

    No reason to wait for 2017.

  621. Bret The Hitman November 19th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Cano + Choo + Hanley Ramirez + Eduardo Nunez is an excellent foundation!

  622. ron November 19th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    The Yankees can spend like drunk sailors,with a major team overhaul,and still be under the 189,without cano.
    Also,the free agent market is not that bad.Offensive stats are crashing back to earth.The rs signed a bunch of crap free agents,and won it all..
    Yes,they still had some good players,but without Napoli,and co,they don’t win.
    Sign peralta,choo,tanaka,mccann,jimenez,a closer,then either sign,or trade for a 2b.
    If arod gets suspended the whole year,the Yankees have 92 million to spend,and still be under the 189.
    Instead,they will sign beltran,ibanez,and overpay,with too many years.
    Forget 35-40 year old players.
    Sign players that are 31,32 so that they are not 40 yrs old after their contracts,like the fa I listed above.

  623. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    It’s nice being around a non-sniping crew. I hate having to respond to crap said about me when I’m not around, but thankfully there are only a few upstanding “men” here who take their greatest delight in pounding someone into the ground if the person isn’t present to defend her or himself.

    It’s one thing if you’ve been having a conversation with the person or have been involved with the person on some topic. It’s quite another to merely be a target of nasty drive-by shooting.

    On top of that, I thought that was the kind of stuff Chad wanted an end to. I guess they just can’t control themselves.

    When I read their stuff gratuitously aimed at me, it always reminds me of the Eleanor Roosevelt quote that ends with “…small minds talk about people.”

  624. chicken_stanley November 19th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Blake – Not BBQ related, but a food story from this weekend.

    My son’s birthday this past weekend… we took a mini vacation. One of the things he wanted to do was cook breakfast on Sunday morning. At the top of his want list was egg salad so we went to the grocery store Saturday night and got the supplies for breakfast the next morning. I decided we should cook the eggs that night so they would be ready for the next morning. I had him place the eggs in a pot, cover with water and set on an eye set to “high”. After 20 minutes, the water had not boiled… I couldn’t figure it out. Finally, I sent my son to bed and told him I would take care of it. I tried different eyes and fooled with the settings but after an hour, still no boil. At this point, I’m getting sleepy but I’ve got to boil these @#!$ eggs. Finally, I decide the best course of action is to put the eggs in a microwave safe pot and boil them there. So, I’m half asleep, leaning against the microwave when all of a sudden BOOOOM!! something hit my head and seconds later my feet came out from underneath me and I land on my back. After shaking away the cobwebs, I realize the eggs had exploded! 3 key learnings:

    1. A microwave door can raise a lump on your head
    2. Half cooked egg yolks are really really slick
    3. Its mighty embarassing to explain to your kid what happened :D

    Sorry for the really long post

  625. blake November 19th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Bret The Hitman says:
    November 19, 2013 at 7:43 pm
    Cano + Choo + Hanley Ramirez + Eduardo Nunezis an excellent foundation!

    Fixed

  626. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Pat M – the 2015 pool?

    By the way, I had my 2nd chiropractic treatment today and I can barely walk. The pain that was in my back has now totally overtaken my leg, and my foot is numb. I thought the doctor said by this afternoon I’d be feeling better! I don’t know that I want to go back tomorrow. :(

    Anyone know anything about cortisone shots for the back? I’m really getting desperate.

  627. blake November 19th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Chicken,
    You’d think with you’re SN that you’d know eggs ;) pretty funny though….I’ve had way too many mishaps cooking…..I about blew myself up big time on the gas grill this summer. Thought the thing was lit when it wasn’t so the gas was just leaking out of one burner so when I threw a match in there the fireball knocked me backwards…..somehow it only scorched my eyebrows. Had all 4 burners been leaking it would have been bad…..that’s why I stick to charcoal

  628. Bret The Hitman November 19th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    blake November 19th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Bret The Hitman says:
    November 19, 2013 at 7:43 pm
    Cano + Choo + Hanley Ramirez + Eduardo Nunezis an excellent foundation!

    Fixed

    __________

    :lol:

    I was wondering if someone would pick up on that but if I had to bet money, figured it would’ve been you.

    :lol:

  629. DaSaint007 November 19th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Sign Kuroda – 2/30
    Sign Granderson – 4/60
    Trade for Lowrie

  630. chicken_stanley November 19th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Trisha – cortisone shots are very effective. The problem is you can only have 2 or so over a span of time (unfortunately, I can’t remember the details). So, in a way, you want to save the cortisone until its absolutely needed

  631. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Pat M – you have an email!

  632. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    chicken – I never had this problem before so I am hoping that once it goes I will never have it again. It’s wicked! I wouldn’t be as concerned if the holiday wasn’t next Thursday. TG is my holiday to host, and I have 19 people showing up. I definitely need some instant relief.

    :(

  633. Pat M. November 19th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Tricia…..I was receiving Epourdoral shots on and off for several years after my last hip surgery. However over the past year or my PT and trainer have me doing pilates twice a week and I’m telling you I wish I had listened earlier. Seek out a acupuncturist and forget the bone crunchers. Let me know if there’s more info you need as I suggested yeaterday

  634. chicken_stanley November 19th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Trisha – I had a cortisone shot in my back about 20 years ago… If I remember correctly, it acts as a super anti-inflammatory. I generally don’t have issues with needles but it was a bit tough. It did, however, give me relief.

    Hope you feel better soon

  635. DaSaint007 November 19th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Trisha – I concur with Pat M. Seek out an acupuncturist.

  636. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Thanks guys. Acupuncture will be my next stop.

    :(

  637. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 19th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Later.

  638. DaSaint007 November 19th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Later Trisha. Hope you feel better soon.

  639. blake November 19th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    “I was wondering if someone would pick up on that but if I had to bet money, figured it would’ve been you.”

    You can’t sneak a Nunie past me

  640. austinmac November 19th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Trisha,

    Go for a real neurological exam. Determine the cause of he problem so it can be addressed.

  641. chicken_stanley November 19th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    unfortunately, 20 years ago in southwest VA there was no accupuncture. If you got stuck, it was likely a pitchfork :)

  642. DaSaint007 November 19th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    LOL@ blake.

    I’d be happy with Kuroda, Tanaka, Veras/Balfour/Nathan (or even Hughes as a reliever), Lowrie for 3B/SS/2B, Cano, Granderson in RF, McCann/Cervelli or Cervelli & Romine/Murphy.

  643. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Trish, take good care, chicken, you’re not getting your hands on my gas oven :D

  644. chicken_stanley November 19th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    jmills – no worries… after last weekend, I’m a bit gun-shy :D

  645. jacksquat November 19th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    mick says:
    November 19, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    If losing Cano results in a lineup of:

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Beltran
    McCann
    Choo
    Teixiera
    Soriano
    Phillips
    Freese

    Would you do it?

    I would if it did NOT include Phillips.

  646. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Way back in active practice, I had this nice family that I took care of. One day, the daughter walks in, everything seemingly the same as ever, and very matter of factly relates that their home had just blown up,……nobody in it. I’d be beside myself about how Bobby Orr was in the shoebox.

  647. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    The radio is groping, next segment is going to be dedicated to the one year mark of the Marlins trade. Even though I’m not into boxing, please give me some of those great Bert Randolph Sugar stories instead.

  648. LGY November 19th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Trisha

    I haven’t been a law student for over two years. Not sure how long it took you to graduate :lol:

    And no, despite you claiming to be the authority on everything law related, you do not appeal arbitration hearings. You can challenge the decision/award with a motion, but appeals are limited to courts of law.

    And you have been so wildly successful you are able to set your own hours and post here day and night? Please cut the nonsense.

  649. Yankee Trader November 19th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Trisha

    Get an MRI. If the pain is related to a protruding disc go to a specialist boarded in pain and consult for a series of either ,up to 3 epidural steroid injections or selective nerve root injections.

  650. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Backs aren’t my area, but if it was me, I’d be getting as much hardcore Western input first. Some alternatives may supplement, but lack the academic attention to supplant traditional approaches with statistical credentials.

  651. LGY November 19th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Like I said last night, the people who brag the most and try the hardest to convince everyone they are the smartest person in the room, are typically full of it.

  652. Yankee Trader November 19th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    The Yankees will need another left handed bat, even if Cano comes back.
    Whether it’s Choo, McCann, Granderson, or the switch hitting Beltran, if the Yankees wait until the case with ARod is settled, Tanaka is signed, and Cano’s agents come down in their demands, those four bats as well as Ellbury will be long gone.

  653. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    I’ll settle it, I’m the smartest person in the room, ….I just need to figure out the money thing better.

  654. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    ….at least erudition has nothing to do with being mayor of a major city :D

  655. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    These ten year contracts really potentially taint what have otherwise been superlative careers for players. Cano should have his 3-4 year contracts, and if he can renew like, Molitor, so be it; but with this ten year thing, if he does a sudden Alomar fade in the middle of it,…..bad taste for fans.

  656. Yankee Trader November 19th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Just written from NY Post:

    http://nypost.com/2013/11/19/f.....docs-leak/

    As The Post’s Rich Calder reports, a Manhattan federal judge ruled Rodriguez’s former public-relations guru Michael Sitrick must testify in the hearing. MLB alleges Sitrick worked in tandem with A-Rod to leak documents from Biogenesis (the shuttered South Florida anti-aging clinic, naturally) to Yahoo! Sports, in order to divert attention from Rodriguez and toward Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli and 2011 National League MVP Ryan Braun.

    This decision by Judge Edgardo Ramos strengthens MLB’s chances of proving Rodriguez obstructed its Biogenesis investigation. Still, it needs Sitrick to actually come to New York and testify. Will he do that, and if even if he does, will he simply perform the private hearing equivalent of pleading the Fifth? We’ll find out, but there’s no disputing this constituted a loss for Team A-Rod.”

  657. Yankee Trader November 19th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Goodnight Jmills and anyone else still around.

  658. UpState November 19th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    DUKE

    Durham, N.C.

    Rodney Hood scored a career-high 30 points Tuesday night to help sixth-ranked Duke beat East Carolina 83-74 in the NIT Season Tipoff.

    Freshman Jabari Parker had 21 points and nine rebounds for the Blue Devils (4-1)

  659. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    YT,….as the world turns.

  660. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    Nite, YT. Sorry UpState, I’m basketball devoid, thankfully so, don’t need one more difficult team to take to bed.

  661. UpState November 19th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    DUKE, UCONN, & Syracuse are the teams that “New Yorkers” generally root for…..not sure who ‘North-of-the-Borders’ root for…..

    (it adds to the off-season)

  662. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    I just never picked up on basketball, but it is apparently now the biggest youth sport in Canada, and has a margin of safety and affordability that hockey can’t touch; there are parents out there spending 20 plus grand on elite level hockey for their teenager. Cripes, buy your kid a private school education first.

  663. pat November 19th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Perjury or insanity?

    “When asked whether he and the Yankees want to get out of Rodriguez’s contract, the source said Levine answered no.”

  664. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    ….that’s 20 plus grand / year. Back in the day, Bobby Orr advocated the pond and the $2 stick.

  665. UpState November 19th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    …more kids play soccer in this part of the country…. (North of NYC)

  666. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Th U.S. have a great men’s and women’s team, its up to the women only here. From what I’ve heard, bad politics and corruption ( what’s new? ) have hurt the men’s side.

  667. jmills November 19th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    UpState, Pat, and everybody else, have a great night, one of these revolutions, I’ll brush up on the basketball thing.

  668. UpState November 19th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Just pick a favorite college…and start with simple ‘scoreboard watching’ —- see if your team wins !

    Canadian Womens National Soccer Team is a VG team !

  669. TheStraw November 19th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Trisha-

    Your problem sounds exactly like a bout of sciatica I had last year, made much worse after I went to the Chiropractor. Physical Therapy was the only thing that helped (stretching, etc.). It still took a good four weeks to subside and a good three months before the tingling left my foot.

    The Cano stuff seems like a high stakes game of chicken.

  670. Pat M. November 19th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    This just has to be the longest running thread in the history of The LoHud. Not complaining but I just noticed the Nov 17th date

  671. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    “And no, despite you claiming to be the authority on everything law related, you do not appeal arbitration hearings. You can challenge the decision/award with a motion, but appeals are limited to courts of law. ”

    Wrong. And I’m not going to do your homework for you to show you the exceptions. And before you say there aren’t any, you’re wrong. If you want to continue to be wrong, re-assert your pronouncement. I’m happy to let it stand there, glaringly incorrect. I have no need to debate this with you any further.

    As for the rest of what you’ve said regarding me – Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Again to quote Eleanor Roosevelt: small minds talk about people.

    **********

    Straw – it sure feels a lot worse than when I first went to the chiropractor. I don’t doubt there are certain things they are great at. But this pain is brutal. I can’t bring myself to go back for any more treatments. How the heck did you sleep at night?

  672. yankinvegas November 20th, 2013 at 1:38 am

    Trisha,
    I have had issues with my back for 9 years. This year I have had 2 laser spine surgeries in Arizona and I’m having yet another MRI in 2 weeks. The nerve damage from my sciatica was so extensive that it is now down to my feet. Unbelievable, constant pain.
    I’ve had many epidural injections. They are not fun but the anesthesia is very interesting. The problem with the shots is that the more you have the less time they work for. I once had a 2 shot series that gave me tremendous relief for 2 years. The last cycle of shots in 2012 was totally worthless.
    The best doctor I ever had for my back was at Lenox Hill sports medicine clinic in the city.
    She advised me to not go to a chiropractor – it would do more harm than good. Physical therapy will help, but the insurance companies will only approve a few sessions.
    Good luck to you.

  673. yankinvegas November 20th, 2013 at 1:41 am

    Walking in the pool is the best relief I get. Between surgeries and now, I am taking pain medicine. That’s the only thing that helps me sleep.
    I let my wife fall totally asleep because I thrash around for an hour searching for a comfortable sleeping position.
    The pain medicine is oxycodone/acetaminophen. Pretty strong, but according to everything that I’ve read, not addictive as long as the pain is real.

  674. ron November 20th, 2013 at 5:40 am

    Opiates are very addicting,wether the pain is real,or not.Whoever told you that is very wrong.The problem with pain medication is,the longer you are on it,the less it works,and the more of it you need.For example 40 mg might work well now,but in a tear,or two,you need more than that.
    Pain medication is ok when used short term.The problem is,when you are taking low doses for a short period,it is fine,but the longer you are on it,the more you need to achieve the same result,and before you know it an oxy 80 does nothing,and you are eating 240 mg a day.That is where the addiction comes from.
    That is like eating 24(10 mg) Percocet pills a day.

    Please be very,very carefull with opiates.Your body recognizes the high amounts of endorphins in the body,so the brain stops,or lowers production.Then when you stop taking the medication,your brain has stopped,or lowered production,hence the depression.

  675. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 7:44 am

    Vegas and ron – thanks.

    I am waiting for the local ER to open and I am going in the hopes of getting a shot of cortisone. I really need something in the short term. The drugs I took last night do work, but I don’t want to be on drugs. I don’t mind heavy-duty motrin, but beyond that I don’t want to be drugged up. I’m not worried about the addictive aspect because I’ve been on vicodin in the past after surgery. When the pain isn’t there, I don’t need to be on anything. But this pain is excruciating and I don’t want to be reliant on drugs. If I have to go to PT I’ll do it. I am definitely not going back to the chiropractor.

    I really appreciate all of the feedback. I’m just hoping that I can get fixed up quickly or 19 people will be finding somewhere else to be on Thanksgiving, and I really don’t want to gace to do that. If I can get some relief, and I know I’m not doing further damage, I will push through TG.

    Again, thank you so much, all.

    Off to the ER.

  676. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    Trisha,

    Good call on the chiropractor. Get your injection and then schedule an appointment with a specialist so the cause can be determined and resolved.

    Sorry you have this, but again, it should resolve. When is the question.

  677. blake November 20th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Certain people can become dependent on Percocet after one use…..most people can use them properly for short periods and be fine afterwards…..but chronic use will lead to dependency in almost anyone

  678. jmills November 20th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    I came across a desparate soul going through my office drawers for the stuff.

  679. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Starting to see some of the lesser free agents getting locked up. David Murphy is a pretty nice pickup for the Tribe. They platoon him with Stubbs and they have themselves some solid right field production.

  680. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Josh Johnson off the market too for 1 yr and $8M. Wisely chose cavernous San Diego ballpark and the NL West to rebuild his market.

  681. blake November 20th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    AAA says:
    November 20, 2013 at 8:22 am
    Josh Johnson off the market too for 1 yr and $8M. Wisely chose cavernous San Diego ballpark and the NL West to rebuild his market.

    Hughes should do the same….1 year deal in the NL west

  682. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    The mid-level free agents are starting to sign. That will leave the expensive and the dregs. I wonder which will be our favorite group.

  683. blake November 20th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Len Berman ?@LenBermanSports 20m
    Let’s see. Watching Robinson Cano loaf out of the batter’s box reminds me of someone… Ah got it. Michael Jordan. Yeah that’s right.

    pretty clear that Cano is losing the PR battle big time here…..gives the Yanks leverage unless another team steps up. I think other teams will certainly bid big on him but this all boils down to Cano and whether he really wants to stay or not……if he really wants to stay and has told his agents to get as much money from the Yanks as possible then they are off to a poor start. Cano should have stayed with Boras if he wanted the most money.

  684. blake November 20th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 1m
    Nice strike by SD GM Josh Byrnes signing Josh Johnson on a low-risk 1 year 8 mil deal with a 4 mill team option for 2014 per @JeffPassan

    kinda surprised Johnson agreed to that option for 2014…..to me the whole point of that deal would be to try and re-establish value to hit the market again next year.

  685. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Hughes should do the same….1 year deal in the NL west

    =======================

    Someone has to want him. May no longer be vacancies in SF (Hudson) and SD (Johnson). He isn’t going to want any part of Denver or Arizona as home parks for a market rebuild year. LA isn’t going to want any part of him anytime, anywhere.

    Thinking maybe the Twins wouldn’t be the worst place for him.

  686. mick November 20th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    If we get Cano, it better not be a sulking Cano.
    He will continue to get trashed, now that Jay Z has compared him to Jordan.
    Big mistake…

    I am sure Hal wants no part of him or any Boras client, ex or not.

    Cano’s bad rep is just beginning.
    If he gets big money here and is perceived to be loafing, all hell will break lose.

  687. blake November 20th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    well the Twins would be ok in Target field…..the NL west would be the ideal spot but there are other big parks he could go to and try to re-boot. Point is that Hughes need to just take a 1 year somewhere where he can be a starter…..I think somebody will offer him a job and hope he rebounds. He’s not as bad as he was in 2013….

  688. blake November 20th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Cano isn’t gonna win this PR battle…..if Jeter could win it then nobody will. The front office is gonna spin it as him being greedy and a lot more folks are gonna relate to that than they are about what’s a fair market value for his free agency.

    you know as soon as Cano’s camp made the 300 million demand that Levine couldn’t wait to leak that to the press……i

  689. ron November 20th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    The problem with opiates,in everyone is,30 mg simply does not work anymore in time,so an increase is a must,or you are right back where you started.
    After a surgery,for temporary relief,opiates are fine,but prolonged use changes the way your brain produces endorphins,wich is the chemical that makes people happy,or content.
    The brain then slows,or stops producing said endorphins,so to remain being happy,and not depressed,you have to keep taking opiates.
    You might be better off asking your doctor for suboxone,or subutex,wich is what is used as maintainence for people coming off of heroin,or opiate addiction.
    It,i believe is an opiate,but it releases from the receptors in the brain much slower,making it much easier to taper from,and it helps with pain.
    I would not at all be worried about taking pain medication for a month or so,but no more than 30 mg,or so of lets say,percocet,but at some point,a person has to get to the root of the problem,wich is the injury.
    An injury,no matter what it is,is much easier to deal with than an opiate addiction,i assure you,from experience.
    Watch a person who is in withdrawl from opiates,and they can’t take care of themselves,hard to eat,shower,groom,work,think,and their eyelashes,hair on their head,fingernails hurt.

    Trust.

  690. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    He’s not as bad as he was in 2013…

    ====================

    No, he isn’t. But he’s also not good. We’re not in the “small sample size” zone anymore. He’s got a full 4 seasons worth of starts in his career (132) and those have yielded a 50-48 record with a 4.75 ERA. He may well be one of those guys whose stuff plays up as a reliever.

  691. Doreen November 20th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    I like Robbie Cano a lot. But I keep asking myself why should he be the highest paid player? And I can’t come up with any good reason. ARod’s ended up being an unfortunate contract, BUT, he was an MVP winner, not just in the running. He was on a pace to be the all-time HR leader.

    Cano is a great player, no doubt about that. And he deserves a big payday. Just not what his agents are looking for and trying to justify.

    It seems to me that they are more interesting in marketing Robinson Cano, and trying to make him a “star” or “celebrity” player than they are interested in the best interests of Robinson Cano, baseball player. But you can’t force celebrity on people. In either direction.

  692. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Cano is a great player, no doubt about that. And he deserves a big payday. Just not what his agents are looking for and trying to justify.

    ==========================

    This is the game though. It always has been. I don’t think Cano’s representation actually believes they’re getting that sort of contract.

  693. blake November 20th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    “No, he isn’t. But he’s also not good. We’re not in the “small sample size” zone anymore. ”

    lot of starters in the big leagues aren’t good though relatively speaking though….and a lot of them make a ton of money.

    I think Hughes can be a league average guy who pitches better than that sometimes……getting him in the right league and park is huge though. His biggest wart is homers and that just doesn’t work in the AL east

  694. ron November 20th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Cano,choo,mccann,peralta,tanaka,jimenez will cost about 90 million a year.If arod getssuspended the whole year,we have about 92 million,and still be under the 189.

    We have to start locking up players,starting with jimenez,mccann,peralta.The money is ther to spend 66 million a year.
    Honestly,i’d rather sign McCann,peralta,jimenez,tanaka,one outfielder from ells/cruz/choo,maybe lowrie,then a closer.Probably get all of them for 85 million a year,give,or take.

  695. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    It seems to me that they are more interesting in marketing Robinson Cano, and trying to make him a “star” or “celebrity” player than they are interested in the best interests of Robinson Cano, baseball player.

    ========================

    That’s as much on Cano as it is his representatives. He had the best in the business working for him. Cano’s move to Jay Z and co was a decision he made on his own, quite likely with his brand in mind.

  696. blake November 20th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    “This is the game though. It always has been. I don’t think Cano’s representation actually believes they’re getting that sort of contract.”

    no but I think they made kinda a rookie mistake by actually throwing that number out there…..they should have known that Levine would go straight to the papers with it and make Cano look greedy. They did the same thing with Jeter……

    The difference though is that Cano will actually get big offers to leave…..wheras Jeter didn’t have nearly as much leverage in that regard.

  697. blake November 20th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    John Murphy ?@ItsJohnMurphy 4m
    “@BestProFitness: New study pic.twitter.com/MzqkRlN0G0” @josh_heenan

    I think it might depend on the woman.

  698. yankinvegas November 20th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    I repeat, the biggest mistake that Cano ever made was in hooking up with Jay Z – a novice in baseball.
    Michael Jordan? I don’t remember MJ ever going the equivalent of 3 for 40 during the NBA playoffs.
    The Yankees will pay Cano a much more than deserved wage. He brings a lot to the party – talent, bilingual, durable and boy can he hit. And the people who think that ‘lil Pedey is even in his class as a player are nuts. Pedroia is a figment of Fenway.
    But Cano is not Derek Jeter or MJ in charisma and not ARod or Pujols on the field.

  699. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    i think the “pr battle” means nothing and in the end has no effect on the final #’s. i think cano and jay-z will look prettty foolish when they get nowhere near $300M, but i think that’s about the market, not the pr battle.

    im trying to be comment # 700!

  700. Doreen November 20th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    “They” includes Robby, who was the one who switched to Jay-Z.

    No one is going to pay Robinson Cano that much money, and I know it’s “game” but I agree with blake that $300 million number should never have seen the light of day. Because what it ends up doing is make teams focus on why he is NOT worth $300 million, instead of thinking about how much he IS worth, which is quite a lot.

  701. blake November 20th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    “I would not at all be worried about taking pain medication for a month or so,but no more than 30 mg,or so of lets say,percocet,but at some point,a person has to get to the root of the problem,wich is the injury.”

    this is always the issue with pain clinics….I routinely see patients who are on pain contracts that are prescribed 100 Lortabs a month. That may manage their pain but it gets you started on a bad road…..some folks can’t get better from their injury and that’s just life but in many cases it’s just a quick fix that covers up the problem and it snow balls on them. Soon the Lortab doesn’t work anymore and they have to do Perocet…..eventually they have to have the Percoet even if their back doesn’t hurt anymore. It’s a big problem in medicine today…..

  702. ron November 20th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    If we can get cano,for 6 years,max,at 25 mill a year,i’d do it,but no more.
    I just can’t see cano taking 6/150.He might do 6,but more towards 30 million a year,and that is going to hurt us,more than help.
    We need several pieces to turn this roster over,and can do it.
    We need a new 3b,one outfielder,2 pitchers,then a catcher,and closer can be debated,but we have the money.

    I’d go to battle with this roster any day,and be sitting right at the 189,resetting the lt rate to 17% also.

    McCann
    tex
    lowrie
    jeter
    peralta
    choo
    gardner
    wells/ichiro
    Soriano

    cc
    nova
    jimenez
    tanaka
    phelps

    McCann-15 million
    choo-15 million
    jimenez-15 million
    tanaka-12 million
    peralta-10 million
    lowrie-10 million
    a closer-8 million

  703. blake November 20th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    “i think the “pr battle” means nothing and in the end has no effect on the final #’s. i think cano and jay-z will look prettty foolish when they get nowhere near $300M, but i think that’s about the market, not the pr battle.”

    well yes and no……I don’t think it matters as much for Cano because he still can say see ya and go take a big deal elsewhere. Where it would matter though is if he wants to stay in NY….because his demands are painting him negatively in the NY media…..just read twitter….it’s Cano bash city. The comparision to Jordan was another bungle……they have went wild with that as well.

  704. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    maybe he was referring to michael jordan on the birmingham barons. he batted .202, he must have had several 3/40′s there…

    btw, i never knew MJ was born in brooklyn….

  705. ron November 20th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Believe it or not,the right path is,pain management.
    Opiates should only be prescribed briefly,after surgery,or before it.
    Addiction is a lifelong battle that is much more painfull than the injury itself,and people can’t see that reality,til it’s too late,and their brain chemistry is forever altered.

  706. blake November 20th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    “btw, i never knew MJ was born in brooklyn….”

    yup….moved to Wilmington when he was really young though

  707. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    pete abraham tweeted that he thinks the RS are talking to beltran just to raise the price to the yankees or whoever he signs with, according to mlbtr: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ltran.html

  708. DONNYBROOK November 20th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Obviously, A-Rod has No defense for the crimes he is being accused of. He’s gonna continue to attempt to prove a “witch hunt”, which does Not address the charges before this Board. Put a fork in him.

  709. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    pete abraham tweeted that he thinks the RS are talking to beltran just to raise the price to the yankees or whoever he signs with, according to mlbtr: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/…..ltran.html

    =======================

    Makes some sense. Realistically, there’s no way Beltran could play RF on any regular basis in Boston and no room at DH. Somebody is going suckered into giving him 3 years.

  710. blake November 20th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    I don’t think Boston would lose their draft pick to sign 37 year old Beltran…..they are too smart for that. Just not how they roll. Now if they signed McCann first and had lost it anyway then maybe.

  711. blake November 20th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Yahoo News ?@YahooNews 9m
    Your dad could beat you up, scientists say: http://yhoo.it/1hXbGz2

    don’t doubt this a bit

  712. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Now if they signed McCann first and had lost it anyway then maybe.

    ===================================

    They’re likely to get similar picks to what they would lose with Drew and Ellsbury signing elsewhere. So I think they’d be OK getting involved on McCann, but not not Beltran.

  713. Tar November 20th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Blake

    FYI coach Smith gets his Presidential Award today. Actually I think any minute now.. Scheduled for 11am.
    Have a good day all

  714. blake November 20th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    “They’re likely to get similar picks to what they would lose with Drew and Ellsbury signing elsewhere. So I think they’d be OK getting involved on McCann, but not not Beltran.”

    I think the likelyhood that this Beltran contract ends up good are slim…..I think you may sign him for 3 years and only get 1 good one.

    Beltran is HOFer to me and has aged really well but he can’t really play defense anymore and he’s finally started to trend in the wrong direction. At his age really the plunge over the cliff could happen at any time.

  715. blake November 20th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    “FYI coach Smith gets his Presidential Award today. Actually I think any minute now.. Scheduled for 11am.
    Have a good day all”

    hey something good happening at the White House!

  716. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Good morning.

    Where is Chad?

    Trisha- Did you get my suggestion for what to do for what sounds like it might be a bulging lumbar disc?

    Tar and Blake- Congrats on the UNC victory over my old alma mater Pitt.

  717. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Lol, get used to the Cano is greedy stories they’re going to last through January.

    I think people are underestimating Jay Z’s firm.. they’re the big time (though people seem to think they’re some mom and pop organization that some random rapper threw together to expand his empire).

  718. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    The Yankees need another left handed bat even if Cano does come back. If they wait on a Cano decision, it’s likely that Choo, Ellsbury, McCann, Granderson and the switch hitter Beltran will be gone.

  719. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    well yes and no……I don’t think it matters as much for Cano because he still can say see ya and go take a big deal elsewhere. Where it would matter though is if he wants to stay in NY….because his demands are painting him negatively in the NY media…..just read twitter….it’s Cano bash city. The comparision to Jordan was another bungle……they have went wild with that as well.

    ————————-

    If Cano resigns every Yankee fan bashing or doubting his talents will do a complete 180. If Cano walks they can continue their mindless ramblings and he’ll be loved by another fan base.

    There really is no ground being lost on a PR battle of this nature.

    If people feel like Cano is worth too much, that’s fine, but I’m holding fast that the next best replacement we could find would be a far step below and no matter how you cut it – with our left side looking as it does – the team is worse for it.

  720. blake November 20th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    I’m still for Kemp sandwiched between Cano and Choo.

  721. blake November 20th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    “There really is no ground being lost on a PR battle of this nature.”

    I don’t think permanently….but with regards to these contracts talks I do think it can matter. It’s negligible though most likely…..Cano is gonna get paid either way.

  722. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    The best move for the Yankees is to start signing good players (assuming that is possible) and go back to Cano and say ‘look, we got an OFer and a starter and we want to get x, y and z but we need you to ink a deal.’ They need to do stuff though.. not just wait on whatever Cano or Alex are doing.

    I know there have been some reports that all of baseball’s market will be waiting on Alex but I think that’s a farce. There are other teams with financial flexibility that are going to be major players.

  723. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    and the switch hitter Beltran will be gone.

    =====================

    Beltran’s a switch hitter in name only at this point. He’s about thru as a right handed bat.

  724. blake November 20th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Beltran hits lefties better than Choo…..but not by much and he doesn’t hit righties nearly as well and is way older. If the Yanks are gonna get an outfielder it should be Choo

  725. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    blake – Sure it can matter.. but like you said, it negligible. It’s really a tool for ownership’s spin more than anything. If people want to get caught up in it, so be it. But there’s nothing lost if he returns. This fanbase is so fickle.. I rarely take it that seriously during FA talk.

    The only thing I will take seriously is action. If the Yankees start acting aggressively, I think they’ll be able to get everything they need. But the passiveness of the last couple of off seasons has me unsure of how they’ll move forward.

  726. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    On Cano from his agent:

    “At this point, he is open to exploring a number of those situations while also keeping a respectful eye on what the Yankees’ future looks like as well,” Van Wagenen said.

    If the Yankees wait until the dust settles around ARod and Tanaka gets posted and settles on a contract, before adding quality players to fill the numerous holes, the Yankees immediate future won’t be too rosy to Cano.

  727. blake November 20th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    The Yankees are all talk until they prove otherwise to me……

  728. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Beltran hits lefties better than Choo…..

    ======================

    Might hit ‘em harder, but better? He posted a .285 OBP against LHP’s last year. His bat is painfully slow from that side now.

  729. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Sign Choo, have your OF be Choo, Gardner, Sori/Ichi. (Beltran would be a plus, even if the cost is stupid.)

    Sign Tanaka, Kuroda, Colon or Johnson for the rotation. Or maybe a Kazmir? Whatever, if they get Tanaka and Kuroda back they need another arm so I’d try a journeyman guy. So the rotation would be CC, Tanaka, Kuroda, someone listed above, Phelps/Warren/Nuno/Pineda.

    Resign Cano. Trade for Castro. Making the INF for the time being: Tex, Cano, Jeter, Castro.

    Sign a Ruiz or Navarro or AJP type catcher on no more than a 2 year deal.

    My team is probably good.. but definitely over the cap.

  730. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    And I didn’t even sign McCann!!!!

  731. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Ideally, I’d retain Nova and find a 3B/SS through international talent… but since our scouting department is only just learning ‘what to look for’ according to Hal, I won’t hold my breath. :D

  732. blake November 20th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    vs LHP: 2013

    Beltran: .252.281.448 .729
    Choo: .215 .347 .265 .612

    Choo had a .265 Slg % vs lefties last year…..that’s almost impossible. It’s interesting though because he still walks a lot vs them and gets on base.

    I guess it depends on what you wants…..Beltran hits lefties better as far as hitting but he doesn’t get on base nearly as much.

    It’s a wash I think…..and given there is 6 years age difference and that Choo destroys righties and can still play defense he’s clearly the better choice if they want to win next year.

  733. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Ruiz is a Philly
    Josh Johnson is a Padre

  734. blake November 20th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Choo’s platoon split for 2013 is one of the most unique I’ve ever seen.

    He hits righties like an MVP but literally couldn’t “hit” lefties to save his life…..yet still got on base almost 35% of the time against them.

    Basically he’s walk or out vs LHP….but he does walk a lot and the numbers show his plate discipline is actually getting better over the years.

  735. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    If Cano resigns every Yankee fan bashing or doubting his talents will do a complete 180.

    =============================

    He’s the best free agent on the market by a country mile. If he were on another team, I suspect NYY fans would want their team to be all over him. On some level, it’s a “grass is always greener” point of view being employed here. It’s that point of view that makes guys nowhere near the player Cano is seem better than they are.

  736. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Blake

    Choo can lead off with one of the best OB%’s in the league, and can play CF, although RF is better.

    I’m not suggesting this, but since Gardner is a FA after next season, ? Correct, he could be of some interest to other teams, as a trade chip for a SS, third baseman, etc.

  737. mick November 20th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Will Tex be Tex and Jeter Jeter…the FA class is not what it used to be and continue to slide as teams lock them up…there is no quick fix…if Hal is sticking to this thing then maybe Cano should go….that could take awhile so go get McCann and Kuroda.

  738. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    It seems likely the Yankees are contacting free agents to let them know of possible interest dependent upon Cano and AROD. Good luck with that.

    Players don’t want to wait. Martin and Chavez left because of an inability or unwillingness to act. I hope they don’t really expect no one to sign until Christmas.

  739. blake November 20th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Choo is almost Cano’s equal offensively……having them both in the lineup would be a significant improvement especially if they could sammich a good RH bat between them somehow.

  740. Cashmoney November 20th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    good gamble on J.J, 1 year @ 12 mil cost (at most) is a bargain. Yanks could have taken a gamble on that.

    On Cano, 10 years, no. 300 mil, hell no. I pity the fool who will sign a 31 year old 2nd baseman to that contract though. On the real, I can only see LAD giving him that kind of money or some organization who are exceedingly wealthy and stupid.

  741. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Len Berman ?@LenBermanSports 20m
    Let’s see. Watching Robinson Cano loaf out of the batter’s box reminds me of someone… Ah got it. Michael Jordan. Yeah that’s right.
    ///

    Len Berman?

    What is he known for, exactly? A bad hair piece??

  742. blake November 20th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    “Choo can lead off with one of the best OB%’s in the league, and can play CF, although RF is better.

    I’m not suggesting this, but since Gardner is a FA after next season, ? Correct, he could be of some interest to other teams, as a trade chip for a SS, third baseman, etc.”

    Choo can’t play CF…..I know he did last year but he was down right terrible out there. I don’t think you could get enough for Gardner to warrant trading him to be honest. I think he has more value to the Yankees in 2014 than he does via trade at this point…..

  743. blake November 20th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    If Heathcott was ready to take over CF then I might consider moving Gardner just to get something for him but he’s not and if they traded Garder then they’d have to find somebody to play CF……an OF of Soriano, Choo, Ichiro would be just dreadful defensively.

  744. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Mark Trumbo?

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....de-targets

  745. UpState November 20th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:02 am
    Len Berman ?@LenBermanSports 20m
    Let’s see. Watching Robinson Cano loaf out of the batter’s box reminds me of someone… Ah got it. Michael Jordan. Yeah that’s right.
    ///

    Len Berman?

    What is he known for, exactly? A bad hair piece??
    ===================

    Regardless of who made the remark….it has solid merits.

  746. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    I still see articles demonstrating writers don’t understand the real cap number is about $175M. Again, that number doesn’t conceivably work with
    Them including AROD’s salary.

    As the offseason goes on, I see nothing that leaves me to believe they will exceed the cap or risk exceeding it by gambling on the suspension. That prevents most every plan suggested on the board.

  747. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Blake

    How about an OF of Ellsbury, Soriano, and Choo or Trumbo?

  748. mick November 20th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Who haven’t the Yanks targeted?
    Something fishy goin’ on….
    PR by Hal?

  749. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    On some level, it’s a “grass is always greener” point of view being employed here. It’s that point of view that makes guys nowhere near the player Cano is seem better than they are.
    ///

    Disproportionate money “demands” aside, Cano is the most misunderstood Yankee I think in my lifetime.

    His abilities almost work against his being appreciated by a certain segment of the fan base.

    I daresay, were he not as good as he is, he’d be held in greater esteem.

  750. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Regardless of who made the remark….it has solid merits.
    ///

    It’s his agent building up his client.

    The comparison is a little off the wall, but it isn’t heresy and I certainly don’t want to hear from a bloated talking head with a “head” voice who has never felt his center, talk about Robinson Cano being “lazy.”

    To speak of comparisons.

  751. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    MAC-

    Good morning. I think the players benefits are projected around 12M, and the team would need to leave some wiggle room for in season trades, so add maybe 5M more and the cap space might be even lower, if your trying to figure what you can budget right now for additions to the 40 man roster.

  752. UpState November 20th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Cano’s ‘people’ compared him to MJ.

    That is not a good comparison – nor is it fair to Cano.

    ….thus the flip and not truly inaccurate remarks.

  753. mick November 20th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    If Hal waits on Cano and doesn’t act, that will be his last act.
    Cano alone will not be the answer.
    Neither will Cano and a cast of backups like the rs lucked out on.

    Get McCann.

  754. Cashmoney November 20th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Disproportionate money “demands” aside, Cano is the most misunderstood Yankee I think in my lifetime.
    ——-
    Jap, I don’t know the guy, whilst he was a Yankee, i pulled for him to get a hit in a big spot. Sure, he loaf at times, but to me it’s not a big deal when he produce the way he did at 2nd base. I can understand while some fans don’t like it. There really isn’t confusion at this point about Cano to me. He wants big money and he is talented.

  755. mick November 20th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Getting McCann will make JZ think.
    Didn’t Cano’s dad say he wanted to stay a Yankee?
    Doubt that was a negotiation ploy.
    Build around McCann and Cano.

  756. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    JAP-

    If Cano signs a 10 year contract, with any team, it’s likely he’ll be the subject of boos from the hometown fans, in the last few years, when he no longer can contribute as a 30M/year player.

  757. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Anyone-

    Where is Chad?

  758. blake November 20th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    “How about an OF of Ellsbury, Soriano, and Choo or Trumbo?”

    I like Ellsbury but honestly I’d just keep Gardner and sign Choo. Ellsbury is better than Gardner but he’s not 15 million a year better

  759. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Cano isn’t Michael Jordan, although he’s a much better baseball player ;)

    Cano is also arguably the best all-around player in the majors right now.

    He’s undoubtedly the greatest 2B in team history, the best in the current game, and in a very small select group of best ever.

    He’s also the best player on the Yankees – there is no one close to him. If the Yankees don’t find a way to sign him, we will suck even more than we did in 2013, if that’s possible.

    If that happens, the ‘Cano is lazy’ thing will be cold comfort. Other than the fact that it is thoroughly facile, and unfair. To speak of fairness.

  760. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Chad is on vacation.

  761. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Mick-

    Agree.
    The Yankees need another left handed bat now, and McCann fills a bigger all around need than lefties Choo, Ellsbury, Granderson, or the switch hitting Beltran.

  762. blake November 20th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    “Cano is also arguably the best all-around player in the majors right now.”

    he’s top 10 but Mike Trout is pretty much without question the best player in baseball.

  763. UpState November 20th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    So how much you want to pay him ?

    YRS/$$$ ?

  764. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Players don’t want to wait. Martin and Chavez left because of an inability or unwillingness to act. I hope they don’t really expect no one to sign until Christmas.
    _______

    Martin left because the Yankees didn’t want him, not because he didn’t want to wait.
    Yankees were not going to give him two years…….

  765. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    JAP-

    If Cano signs a 10 year contract, with any team, it’s likely he’ll be the subject of boos from the hometown fans, in the last few years, when he no longer can contribute as a 30M/year player.
    ///

    I don’t see why Cano can’t be an effective DH in his final years. Especially for us, given the ballpark. I don’t see him getting 10 years, though.

    This is how the posturing/negotiating game goes, though. In the end, he’ll probably get 8 years – from us. Bottom line: we need him. If we have any “hometown fans” to boo him, that would be a good start ;)

  766. mick November 20th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Asking 300 to the Yanks means meet us halfway at 250.
    The problem will lie in the years.
    8/250 is too much.
    8/225 might work.

  767. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    So how much you want to pay him ?

    YRS/$$$ ?

    ___

    Tex had 8/180
    Miggy had even less than that…

    I would go no higher than 8/200 and even that is pushing it – but i am being realistic.

    I would personally say 7/175 max.

  768. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    he’s top 10 but Mike Trout is pretty much without question the best player in baseball.
    ///

    Yeah but Cano is a DP machine. Trout’s a CF. Important, but not quite as crucial as MI. Cano’s the glue of the infield.

  769. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    JAP

    Remember a few years ago when the blog debated whether, if given the chance, the merits of trading Cano for Matt Kemp?

  770. Russell Munson November 20th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    The free agent market is taking a long time to come into focus.

  771. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    The free agent market is taking a long time to come into focus.

    ___

    That is A-Rod’s fault.
    People want to know if the Yankees will be big spenders.

  772. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    YT,

    Yes, I remember it. I was firmly on the Cano side. Kemp’s a great talent, but so is Cano, and he is a LH, MIF.

    Kemp vs. Cano in terms of health, no contest there.

  773. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    This ridiculous story about Cano and the Mets is just dumb.
    Posada threatened the Yankees a while back with going to the Mets.
    1. The Mets cannot offer Cano 25M/yr
    2. The Mets aren’t going anywhere
    3. Cano is an ego guy and playing for the 2nd rate team in the city doesn’t jive with his ego.

  774. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Trader – You can tell how much I’ve been paying attention. I’m mostly just throwing ‘types’ out there more than specific players.. there are other players that fit those models that I would target.

    And yeah, when you look at Tex’s contract I still don’t see a way around paying $200 for Cano.

    If I’m Cano, the only way I take less money is if I sign with a team built to win now. That’s just not the Yankees at the moment.. so if they want to get him for cheaper than what he’s probably worth on the open market, they need to make the team a lot better in the next month or so.

  775. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    …Cano is an ego guy? Since when?

  776. ron November 20th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Kemp is getting older,and had some real bad injuries.No thanks.
    Forget beltran.The Yankees have fallen into a bad habit of getting lured into signing older players for too much money,and years,after a good year,or few.
    When players,in almost any sport hit 32 yrs old,imo,they are at the top of their game.After that,some kind of gradual decline.
    Cano will be 31 1/2 years old in st,2014.We have to be carefull.6/150,or walk away.
    We can build a real nice team,if we sign peralta,mccann,jimenez,tanaka,one of choo/ellsbury/cruz/granderson,then sign,or trade for a 2b,closer.
    We can probably get all of the above on 3 year deals,maybe one,or two,it will take 4,wich has the contracts ending on cc’s,and arods last year in 2017,so we won’t be bogged down with longterm,bad contracts.
    If i’m the Yankees,i’d try to wrap up jimenez,and peralta quickly,then work on an outfielder,and McCann,then go from there.

  777. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    And yeah, when you look at Tex’s contract I still don’t see a way around paying $200 for Cano.

    ___

    Maybe.
    Or you argue at the time Tex got his contract, he was one of the best.
    These huge contracts never work out, and they need to come down…..

  778. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    If Cano is serious and wants to wait to see what the Yankees will do to improve their future, then get him another bat, and sign another starter, while waiting on Cano and the Tanaka posting.

  779. UpState November 20th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:23 am
    Players don’t want to wait. Martin and Chavez left because of an inability or unwillingness to act. I hope they don’t really expect no one to sign until Christmas.
    _______

    Martin left because the Yankees didn’t want him, not because he didn’t want to wait.
    Yankees were not going to give him two years…….
    ========================================

    Chavez left ‘early-on’ to play for his ‘hometown’.
    That’s what he really wanted.
    …and got a decent contract, to boot.
    $3,000,000

  780. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    How about an OF of Ellsbury, Soriano, and Choo or Trumbo?

    ==========================

    Trumbo? Blech!

    I’d simply sign Mark Reynolds for a year. They’re basically the same guy and Reynolds would not require trading someone.

  781. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    The free agent market is taking a long time to come into focus.

    ___

    That is A-Rod’s fault.
    People want to know if the Yankees will be big spenders.

    ———–

    This seems to be the NY media’s story on the subject.. but I dunno that I buy it. Arod’s money for 2014 wouldn’t even cover 2 of the top free agents in the market. On top of that, people keep talking about Arod’s money like it’s gone forever.. why would the Yankees sign big money players to multiple years when Alex’s money will very much be back if not in 2014 than in 2015 (along with additional monies earned in bonuses he’ll no doubt reach?

    It doesn’t make sense for any agent to be holding onto their players waiting on an Arod decision. Not with at least 5 other big money/big market teams looking to improve (Tigers, Cubs, LA, Angels, Rangers). And that doesn’t even include the reining WS champs.

  782. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    f i’m the Yankees,i’d try to wrap up jimenez,and peralta quickly,then work on an outfielder,and McCann,then go from there.
    ___

    Ubaldo?

    He has had 2 great half years in his entire career.

    I say 1/8 for Haren go all in on Tanaka (65M bid), try to convince Kuroda to come back, and let Nuno, Warren and Phelps compete for the spots. Hope Pineda is ready too.

  783. Cashmoney November 20th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    And yeah, when you look at Tex’s contract I still don’t see a way around paying $200 for Cano.
    ——
    That’s valid point. But the, when I look at Tex contract now, I am also saying , oh man, I wish it’s shorter. so i guess that’s the point. these mega contract are just too risky… plus, this team is not even remotely close to championship caliber, too many holes to address.

  784. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    This seems to be the NY media’s story on the subject.. but I dunno that I buy it. Arod’s money for 2014 wouldn’t even cover 2 of the top free agents in the market. On top of that, people keep talking about Arod’s money like it’s gone forever.. why would the Yankees sign big money players to multiple years when Alex’s money will very much be back if not in 2014 than in 2015 (along with additional monies earned in bonuses he’ll no doubt reach?
    ___

    Because they only really need to get under for 2014 to reset.
    Maybe 2015 too I can’t remember.

    But after that they can go back to big spending….

  785. mick November 20th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    I do not believe Hal wants to be held hostage by Cano and will lose him.
    If he does this then he must rebuild this team and McCann is the starting point.
    It would open him up to better FA’s like Choo and just about anyone else.
    Gardner might be gone next year so time to think about a long term replacement.
    Ellsbury?

  786. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    It doesn’t make sense for any agent to be holding onto their players waiting on an Arod decision. Not with at least 5 other big money/big market teams looking to improve (Tigers, Cubs, LA, Angels, Rangers). And that doesn’t even include the reining WS champs.
    ___

    I wouldn’t count the Angels in this.
    I don’t see them going in for another free agent long term after the failures of Hamilton and Pujols.

  787. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Tex may have been one of the best at the time but Cano IS the best at a position that can’t be filled by whatever bench player/career DH that might be available.

    The contracts never roll back. Ever.

    Pence got how much….?? This market isn’t scaling back. Not with new money flowing into every ball club.

    Guys like Choo are good players.. and he’ll get elite player money. Cano is going to get paid. I dunno if it’ll be by us but he’ll get paid.

  788. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Ellsbury?

    Come on guys…..

  789. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Maybe.
    Or you argue at the time Tex got his contract, he was one of the best.
    These huge contracts never work out, and they need to come down…..
    ///

    How does that follow? In the 2B hierarchy, Cano is at the top. He is also coming off a season in which he was an OPS machine with RISP, with men on, and with 2 out and RISP, and was a hit machine in those situations. His on base was great, he returned to hitting LHP, & clubbed nearly 30 HR and over 100 RBI.

    Cano’s in the catbird seat.

  790. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Guys like Choo are good players.. and he’ll get elite player money. Cano is going to get paid. I dunno if it’ll be by us but he’ll get paid.

    ___

    Maybe, but it is a mad strategy for a team to keep doing this.
    225 is a max for Cano.
    If Texas or LA wants to give him 300M, they can have him.
    At some point teams have to learn these long term contracts NEVER work out (once they hit 30 yr old)

  791. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    I wouldn’t count the Angels in this.
    I don’t see them going in for another free agent long term after the failures of Hamilton and Pujols.

    ————–

    So throw them out and put Boston in.

    Also gotta figure that teams like Oakland, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Cleveland, Tampa, and the Mets should be all trying to improve.

    The market won’t be holding it’s breath for Arod. I’m sure the Yankees hope so and I’m sure they’ll ask the media to buy into that idea.. but I don’t see any reason why people would be holding out for the Yankees to maybe have a certain number of extra dollars available for maybe on season.

    They might be waiting to see if the Yankees are playing a game with this whole $189 thing, but that should be irrespective of Arod.

  792. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    How does that follow? In the 2B hierarchy, Cano is at the top. He is also coming off a season in which he was an OPS machine with RISP, with men on, and with 2 out and RISP, and was a hit machine in those situations. His on base was great, he returned to hitting LHP, & clubbed nearly 30 HR and over 100 RBI.

    ___

    Tex in 2008: .308/33/121 – elite 1st baseman, switch hitter – OPS .962.

    How is Cano’s walk year better exactly?

  793. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    By losing ARod for one full year, the Yankees gain 27.5+6, 33.5M of more space to bring down their LT to 17.5% from the current 42.5% and next seasons 50%, starting all over.

    That could fit Cano, Kuroda, Tanaka, a closer, and fill some other holes on the team

  794. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    On response to Trumbo trade talk, who are we giving up? Remember it has to be players others teams perceive a better offer than elsewhere. Not happening.

    I heard Martin on the radio. He said he couldn’t wait on Kuroda last year as required as he was concerned the Pirates might then look elsewhere.

    It seems quite possible we are again waiting and waiting for Cano and AROD to be resolved. If they do, this will be a sub .500 team.

  795. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Austin et al. I ended up with one-stop shopping. A bunch of xrays and an examination revealed sprained ligaments and sciatica. I got a shot of cortisone and two other things (all in one shot), I’m in a state-of-the-art back brace – state-of-the-art for me anyway, it has a removable ice/heat pack!, and I have prescriptions for flexeril and naproxen.

    And here was my stroke of brilliance – I think. I noticed that when I was on my unencumbered side, both at the chiropractor’s and taking x-rays, my back felt good. So after I left the urgent care center (the correct name, according to them) I went to Home Depot and had them cut me a piece of plywood a little taller than I, plus a little wider than 2 feet, so that when I’m lying down on the couch, I’m on a hard surface! Wasn’t that kind of smart? The irony is that the plywood weighs a ton, ha ha. I kind of danced it up the stairs. I don’t think I could have done anything worse to my back. I will now call and cancel my appointment with the chiropractor, take my meds, and hopefully doze.

    I can’t thank you all enough for the great feedback and advice. This is truly a “family” forum.

    :)

    xox and good night!

  796. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Also, I could definitely see some big money contracts moving in trades.

    We’ve seen a lot more of that lately and I wouldn’t be surprised if a guy like Hamilton gets moved in the next year or two.

    And I have a feeling Cano would take $225 lol. $300 was always just a negotiating tactic – no one will pay that. But I could see teams being willing to go in the $200-250 range for the best 2B in the league.

  797. Cashmoney November 20th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Cano’s in the catbird seat.
    —-
    Jap, he is gonna get paid. question is how much. I don’t think he will come close to 300. 180-200 is what i think he will get paid in the end. On one hand, it’s the talent, on the other, it’s about the market demands and teams inclinations to commit to that type of numbers. I don’t even see too many teams will be in on Cano at 200 mil range.

  798. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Chavez also has said the Yankees wanted him to wait. Players strike when the iron is hot. Last year and this year. A player who gets a good offer is not going to wait to see if the Yankees may possibly have money.

    Do you folks not remember last year’s one small step at a time and how well that worked?

  799. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    mac – I don’t get the Trumbo talk either. Last year when Phil was terrible and it looked like we’d lose him for nothing I thought moving Hughes for Trumbo at the deadline made some sense with Tex out for the year.. but right now? Not seeing a match.

    If they trade for an INFer it better be someone good. Maybe Bret will be happy and we’ll have to trade Gardner for whoever that is.

  800. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    I don’t think the Yankees should wait…
    If they start signing the McCann’s, etc – they will light a fire under Cano’s butt when he realizes the Yankees aren’t going to be in the bidding. Take NYY out and Cano’s possible contract drops SIGNIFICANTLY.

  801. mick November 20th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    The longer he waits the more his offers will go down.
    Start signing now Hal and see if he wants to play here or not.
    If he could care less, let him walk…

  802. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Tex in 2008: .308/33/121 – elite 1st baseman, switch hitter – OPS .962.

    How is Cano’s walk year better exactly?
    ///

    Cano’s OPS was .899. And he hammered RHP (.969 OPS).

    And we’re not talking about elite CIF, We’re talking about elite glove at 2B, here.

    How many other 2B had an OPS close to Cano? One? (Carpenter).

    You can’t just dismiss that he’s doing all this as a 2B.

  803. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Trisha

    Hope you are feeling better. If you don’t get any relief, and haven’t had an MRI, you might need one to See if it’s a bulging lumbar disc. Then get a consult with a board certified pain specialist for a series of epidural or selective nerve root blocks.

    Gotta go.

    Have a great day everyone.

  804. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    I will not exactly be confident Hal will exceed the cap any year. He has repeatedly said they can win under it. He means this year and every year.

    I mean it when I say staying under the cap will ruin the team for several years. It is patently obvious.

  805. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    You can’t just dismiss that he’s doing all this as a 2B.
    ___

    I can assume 2b is a demanding position and he will decline over the life of a long term contract.

  806. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    By losing ARod for one full year, the Yankees gain 27.5+6, 33.5M of more space to bring down their LT to 17.5% from the current 42.5% and next seasons 50%, starting all over.

    That could fit Cano, Kuroda, Tanaka, a closer, and fill some other holes on the team

    —————–

    Am I misreading this or do you think $33.5 is enough to cover Cano, Kuroda, Tanaka and another player’s AAV for one year…??

  807. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Cashmoney November 20th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Cano’s in the catbird seat.
    —-
    Jap, he is gonna get paid. question is how much. I don’t think he will come close to 300. 180-200 is what i think he will get paid in the end. On one hand, it’s the talent, on the other, it’s about the market demands and teams inclinations to commit to that type of numbers. I don’t even see too many teams will be in on Cano at 200 mil range.
    ///

    No, he’ll not get 300, and they know that. He needs to be paid, however and we need to pay him.

    By the time twilight hits, Alex-Tex will be in the rearview. Hopefully, if they do this right or get someone else to do it right, we’ll have a younger, under control team and Cano will be the elder statesman type presence with a still formidable stick.

  808. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    What I really don’t want to see is that they are talking with Raul Ibanez.
    WE DO NOT NEED A DH!!!!!

    We have Jeter, Tex, possible A-Rod, Soriano, etc..

    It would be a huge waste of a roster spot to bring on a DH.

  809. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Shame

    No, the 33.5M, in addition to the cap space they already have gives them much more flexibility to fill many of the holes, and sign another quality FA or two, not all of them.

    Sorry for the poor communication.

  810. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    I can assume 2b is a demanding position and he will decline over the life of a long term contract.
    ///

    You’re still comparing an MIF – a nonpareil one at that – to a 1B, as if they’re interchangeable.

    Cano’s numbers and his position are the combined reason why he’s going to get his pot ‘o gold.

    And right now, he’s the best player at his position in MLB.

    And you did make the point about the kind of year Tex was coming off of.

  811. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Trader – Oh okay, that’s more of what I thought you meant because with guys like Choo turning into $20 million AAV guys (I still can’t believe this) it’s hard to imagine Arod’s money will be that much of a windfall for this team.

  812. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Here is the thing about Cano: even if you replaced him with the second best 2B in the league (which you can’t, because he plays in Boston) the team did not just get better.

    No matter who you replace Cano with, you have made the team not better.

    If I had confidence in the FO and their decision making ability, I might not be as concerned about weakening one position on the field.. but they have no inspired such confidence.

    We’ve heard rumors about Raul Ibanez.

  813. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    have not*

    Oy vey.

  814. ron November 20th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Here we go again with ideas of giving out an 8/200 + contract that will hurt us for years.
    The Yankees played cano perfectly up to this point by underpaying him for years.
    We got the best years out of him,and he knows it,and want’s to be paid insanely for it.
    Time to move on,as much as it hurts.
    Winning puts fans in the seats.
    Without arods suspention,we have about 66 million to spend,92 million,if arod gets suspended the whole year,maybe 80 million for 1/2 the year.
    66 million gets you McCann,peralta,tanaka,jimenez,choo.That is one h e l l of a start.
    The only concerns i’d have after that is,a closer,and 2b.
    If that is all I can spend,i package some combination of cervelli,nunez,warren,heathcott,austin,mason Williams,for a 2b,but arod will be suspended,allowing us to get one,or both,a 2b,and closer.
    Of course I don’t wan’t to lose cano’s bat,but it is time we start being smarter.I remember these same conversations before we signed arod,when he was putting up insane numbers,and most here did not wan’t his bat lost.
    I wan’t a more balanced team,so unless we don’t stick to the 189,we can’t keep giving 21 year old players 8 year contracts.
    CC,and tex were younger than cano is now,by 2 years when they got their 8 year deals,and they are declining already.We need to reset the lt rate because mlb is only going to keep striving for parity,and future cba contracts are going to hurt the Yankees even more.
    Reset the tax rate,then spend like crazy,and if there are any great international free agents out there,blow the pool limit away,and get what we wan’t now.
    Wake up people.

  815. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    I really would like, if it could be done, to remove Cano from the Yankee lineup and infield as a temporary lark.

    Perhaps then, it would sink in, the level of player he is.

    And that’s not so much for people who are concerned about the self-imposed 189, that’s for the utterly cavalier among the media and fans who exhort the team to “just let him walk” without a backward glance.

    I really would just love a parallel moment like that to occur, and then be able to reverse it.

  816. ron November 20th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    giving 31 yr old 8 year contracts,not 21 year old.

  817. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    A-clown just walked out on the arbitration hearing b/c horowitz wouldnt call bud selig to testify.

    the clown’s main focus all along has just been to keep his name in the papers. his career is over, but this is a chance to keep his name all over the papers and he’s playing it perfectly to that end.

  818. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    What I really don’t want to see is that they are talking with Raul Ibanez.
    WE DO NOT NEED A DH!!!!!
    ///

    For a team that reportedly was so petrified to have a “just DH” young hitter with elite potential but no “position”, the Yanks sure seem to collect a lot of older, DH types or older, defensively indifferent and/or in obvious decline “defenders.”

    Of course, they could slap down Ibanez in left field, come what may (like they did on occasion) and claim he plays a “position.”

  819. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Ys, I agree with you about Alex but I also agree with him.
    Bud is culpable in this too and should also be forced to be a part of this….

  820. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Of course, they could slap down Ibanez in left field, come what may (like they did on occasion) and claim he plays a “position.”

    ___

    Ichiro, Wells, Soriano. Plus Gardner, Almonte, and other possible guys (On top of possible FA) There is NO place for Ibanez.

  821. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    JAP,

    They will either be worse next without Cano or worse because they signed him and have little money left they will spend. Either decision is stupid. If you want to own the Yankees, act like it.

  822. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Alex is right, this whole thing is a farce.
    211 is such a ridiculous number no matter how you feel about losing him for 2014 to save money.
    The standard was 50 games and 15 for lying (Braun).
    That is where Alex should be.

  823. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    That being said, the idea of these weak suspensions needs to change.
    There needs to be much harsher punishments to show they are serious about cleaning it up.
    Braun lost 3M out of 117M. That is nothing….

  824. ron November 20th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Of course losing cano will downgrade us at 2b,but if it allows us to upgrade at 2 other positions,and avoid his declining years,it is worth it.
    You can’t just say look at our lineup without cano.We can probably get choo,and peralta for what cano will cost,25 million,or so,a year.
    Are we better off with choo,peralta,and a league average 2b on 3 year deals?
    I think we are,especially if the Yankees avoid the back end of cano’s contract.
    When cano,at 36 years old is batting .270,or lower,with 15 hr,and 60 rbi,ops’ing at .750 like arod,making 25 + million a year,you’ll understand.
    The cardinals understood this by letting pujols go,and wacha was their draft prize because of it.The rs traded all of their bad contracts because it was the right thing to do.
    Building a winning team is about balance,and if the Yankees can still do that while signing cano,the sign him,but they simply can’t,or won’t.That is why it is a bad idea.

    There is a price for cano that it would be insane to not sign him,but at 31.5 years old,starting his first year of his new contract,anything over 6 years is simply stupid.
    Good teams,with good systems understand this.

  825. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    heyman, “anybody who’s writing that the is no market for cano is just doing the yankees bidding”

  826. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    JAP,

    They will either be worse next without Cano or worse because they signed him and have little money left they will spend. Either decision is stupid. If you want to own the Yankees, act like it .
    ///

    Given that they are technically “The Yankees”, it is absurd that they are in this current position of selling it that it’s an either/or proposition (Cano, or…. Alex full suspension, or…).

    Damn right. Act like the Yankees or get out of the way and give the franchise to someone who will.

  827. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Alex is right, this whole thing is a farce.

    ===============================

    It’s a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.

  828. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Ichiro, Wells, Soriano. Plus Gardner, Almonte, and other possible guys (On top of possible FA) There is NO place for Ibanez.
    ///

    If they were in a different position, having gratuitous LH power off the bench would be fine. They are not in a different position, however. No place for Ibanez, indeed. I don’t even like Wells/Ichiro hanging around for another year. The Almonte kid can play, but will he get a chance to show it. Doubtful, with the rickshaw crew hanging on.

  829. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    From the beginning of the biogenesis thing, bud laid it off to manfred immediately. i remember manfred on ed randall’s show the weekend the season opened saying he was in charge of the investigation.

    Now i dont know the rules of an arbitration hearing, but i don’t think you can just call anybody (obviously today’s ruling proves that). Rodriguez’s side would likely have to show that Bud was personally involved in order to call him to testify and i think Bud kept himself one step removed from the whole thing from the beginning.

  830. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    heyman, “anybody who’s writing that the is no market for cano is just doing the yankees bidding”

    ___

    Heyman is such a fool…..
    The Yankees bidding?
    They said they won’t pay $300M – they didn’t say someone else wouldn’t.
    How does this guy have a job?

  831. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Now i dont know the rules of an arbitration hearing, but i don’t think you can just call anybody (obviously today’s ruling proves that). Rodriguez’s side would likely have to show that Bud was personally involved in order to call him to testify and i think Bud kept himself one step removed from the whole thing from the beginning.

    ___

    This will change when A-Rod sues MLB and takes them to a real court, which is inevitable because of how ridiculous this process has been. Like him or not, they are trying to take a lot of money away from him and he has a right to a fair hearing. This is not that.

  832. ac1 November 20th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Yankees have to move ahead under the assumption that Alex’s money will count in 2014, because they are definitely headed to a long court battle. Just forget the 189M now and start signing players.

  833. blake November 20th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    I am a little worried about Cano aging but I think he’s got a much better chance to age well than Tex does…..his swing is WAY better.

  834. blake November 20th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    A lot of Yankee fans want Cano gone because he wants to much money……they might feel differently when David Adams is playing 2B next year and Hal has used the savings to buy a new Hampton Inn.

  835. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    A walkoff for A-Rod!!

  836. blake November 20th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    “It’s a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.”

    again I hope Alex gets 211 games and MLB is so shamed that Bud and his cohorts have to retire. That would be perfect.

    Both sides in this mess are scum……

  837. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    ac1, rodriguez has already filed the lawsuit against mlb in federal court. the court is holding initial hearing but it has yet to decide whether to hear the case, dismiss it or throw it back to NY State court.

    there is no guarantee that any court will actually hear the case until after the arbitration hearing and perhaps an appeal to the national labor relations board.

  838. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    should the yankees sign cano, let’s hope he ages better than roberto alomar and steve sax did.

  839. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Wow what drama! Arod slamming his fist down and cursing the other side. Yikes!

    It’s totally clear to everyone now that Team Arod is trying to set up the appeal. Except there is no appellate process here. His challenge in civil court is still an uphill battle. Totally dependent on the disposition of the trial court judge they draw. But Team Arod is banking on a claim that the panel was biased. As I said a couple weeks ago, Manfred’s public comments about Arod was a gift of enormous proportion in that regard. That will play right into the bias claim. So will not letting Selig testify, which I think, sitting where I am, is a curious decision. They let Levine testify on this so-called conspiracy theory. That seemed only marginally relevant to me. But if Selig were the decision-maker as to the length of the suspension, I can’t think of more relevant evidence than his testimony. The rationale for 211 games is at the heart of this hearing.

    We may all have to get used to Arod starting out at 3b next April as this case meanders through the American Justice System.

  840. jacksquat November 20th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    The team is not doomed without Cano. It’s a team sport. They can still have a good team without Cano. I want to keep him, but not with a ridiculous contract.

  841. jacksquat November 20th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    A walkoff for A-Rod!!

    Good one. :)

  842. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Saw it on twitter. Cant take credit for it.

  843. blake November 20th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    sounds like Alex took his ball and went home.

  844. UpState November 20th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    It’s a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.

    ————————-

    Is this also an incognito enigma ?

  845. Cashmoney November 20th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    I agree, squat.

    On rod, I am hoping Bud and Rod take a ride in one of bud’s used buick 87 off a cliff so we can call a day.

  846. blake November 20th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    “Wow what drama! Arod slamming his fist down and cursing the other side. Yikes!”

    if you have the facts on your side…pound the facts…..if you have the law on your side ….pound the law……if you have neither…..pound the table.

    Alex’s side is doing a lot of table pounding.

  847. jacksquat November 20th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    It’s an A-Bomb from A-Rod?

  848. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    arod starting next season may be the best end to this whole thing.

    he will be back on the dl my mid may and be forced to retire by the end of the year, imo.

    this year, after resting for 9 months, he was able to stay healthy for almost a month. everybody pronounced him the ‘old arod’ again, then he went back to being a shell of his former self for the last 5 weeks.

    this will repeat itself if and when he ever gets back on the field.

    he’s done, its just a matter of who’s paying how much to send him on his way.

  849. 86w183 November 20th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Alex reacted like the spoiled prima donna brat that he is.

    There was no reason for the arbitrator to order Selig to testify when MLB has a representative in the room. All of these appeals are ruled 2-1 since the Union’s representative always supports the player and MLB’s always supports the Commissioner.

    The idea that Manfred’s “bias” is grounds for a court challenge is ridiculous. All that matters is if the arbitrator issues a “fair” ruling based on the evidence presented. To that end, A-rod storming out like a petulant child is not going to help him at all.

  850. 86w183 November 20th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    By the way… 76 hours on the same thread?? Is it vacation??

    If the contracts for Linecum, Hudson and Johnson are any indication there’s going to be some stupid spending this winter. Why give Hudson two years? Johnson gets $ 8 M guaranteed?

  851. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    here comes francessa. im sure he’s been talking to arod’s people for the past half hour so he knows what the spin is supposed to be.

  852. Cashmoney November 20th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    for real… Rod be a good b list daytime soap star. I am casting him as conniving ex athlete that seduces all the hotties.

    Britney: How could you blake!(rod’s nom de film)
    Blake: your mom and I… yes…but… you have to understand Brit…

  853. 86w183 November 20th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Today is the deadline for players to be added to the 40-man roster or be submitted to the Rule 5 draft.

    You would think that would warrant some coverage, wouldn’t you?

  854. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    arod hasnt done his required interview with mlb yet and i think this is all about not doing that.

    if he denies using ped’s in the interview, he knows they will hit hiim with a lifetime ban.

    if he admits he used, and bought the files, he probably gets the 211.

    so he called in sick to skip it at first, now he walks out and says he wont participate any more.

    the ball is in baseball’s court now. they may have a case to suspend him for life now.

  855. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    It’s like watching an hour of Dynasty. There are so many diva’s involved in that whole trial…. they really should put it on tv, if not for those pesky confidentiality rules.

    Wake me up when they actually make a decision. Everything else is simply theater.

  856. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Storming out of the room is not winning over Horowitz. Thanks AROD. 211 just got more likely.

    In lawsuits, parties often try to depose CEOs. Courts are very reluctant to allow it if others have the knowledge. To me, the ruling is no surprise.

  857. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    86 – Chad is on vacation. The posters in here have been very good about giving news updates, though admittedly you need to search around for them.

  858. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    It is odd for no Chad or replacement level Chad.

  859. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    I’m only disappointed this is outside of Nancy Grace’s purview.

  860. 86w183 November 20th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    thanx Shame — wasn’t aware of that.

    Hopefully someone will pass along news on the 40-man roster decisions and, thus who will be eligible for the rule five draft.

    I agree A-road storming out will hurt him in almost every way.

  861. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    The best part about this 3 day thread is perspective: game threads used to get more comments in 3 hours (4 if we were playing the Red Sox). And not more by a few.. but more by hundreds!!

  862. Cashmoney November 20th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Mac, i am guessing, low hud wanna save some money so in case Chad leaves they can go after another superstar with large sum of dough.

  863. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Ys,

    You could be right that this is his way not to testify while ridiculously maintaining his innocence.

    ARODs team can keep going or rest it’s case. Those are the choices

  864. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    86 – I always search for ‘pat’ cause she keeps me up on all the reports from the Twitter.

    My mom calls it ‘the Twitter’.

  865. blake November 20th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Arod just showed up the umpire

  866. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    86w183 November 20th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    “The idea that Manfred’s “bias” is grounds for a court challenge is ridiculous. All that matters is if the arbitrator issues a “fair” ruling based on the evidence presented. To that end, A-rod storming out like a petulant child is not going to help him at all.”

    I can definitely see a judge agreeing with that statement. But I can see a judge ruling the other way as well. That’s the crapshoot of litigation system.

    The big loser here is the Yankees. Here’s why. In some ways, what transpired today makes an arbitration decision affirming the 211 suspension more likely. After all, Horowitz is human. This could not have gone down well with him today. He may just say, “this is all up to me, screw Arod. I’m hitting him with 211 games and going home for Christmas. Good luck in federal court.”

    So what happens next. Arod goes to civil court (could be state or federal) and petitions to vacate the arbitration decision. This would probably happen in early January. At the same time, he seeks a temporary retraining order staying the suspension pending the civil court decision. Now to get a TRO, Arod will have to show irreparable harm and a likelihood of success on the merits. The first prong (irreparable harm) is interesting. Since spring training hasn’t started yet, I can see a judge denying that at least temporarily. The court could revisit that in February. In that case, the case just goes on regular calendar. Complaint filed, answer in 30 days, status hearings and the like. If the TRO is granted, then you can probably assume Arod is playing the full season because I can’t imagine the case being resolved until at least late next year. If the TRO is delayed or denied, then the suspension remains in effect while the case is being heard. At that point, the Yanks probably could think about spending Arod’s money but I wouldn’t expect that result until at least mid-Jan at the earliest and it could be mid-February.

    So basically, the winner here is uncertainty. But you probably already knew that.

  867. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Arod already has no friends.. what this will come down to is the arbitrator’s interpretation of the rules in the JDA and the evidence. I really don’t even know if the circus matters.

  868. Madrugador November 20th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Maybe Chad’s girlfriend dumped him when she learned he had to be in Florida covering the team for opening game of Spring Training on Feb 14th and he is too depressed to post.

  869. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    I don’t think a court would enjoin MLB. Courts are very deferential to arbitration. After all, that system was agreed to ahead of time.

    What Selig knew or didn’t know years ago is not relevant to the issues in the hearing. The issues are solely AROD’s behavior.

  870. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    “In lawsuits, parties often try to depose CEOs. Courts are very reluctant to allow it if others have the knowledge. To me, the ruling is no surprise.”

    True, but these are basically lawsuits involving behavior that occurs in the field (big discrimination cases, etc) and the CEO is 10 layers from the action and may even be in a different country. If we are talking about merger litigation you can bet the CEO is going to testify. Here, I don’t get the sense Selig was very insulated. In fact, it’s been reported on numerous occasions that the suspension decision was his.

  871. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    You guys seem to disagree with me, so maybe I’m wrong. It’s not that I don’t think most people would be miffed at Alex being a douche bag, but is it fair to assume all people are of the same make up? Perhaps I’m giving Horowitz too much credit?

    I mean.. there are umps that are jerks to players they don’t like but there are some that call them like they see them. So that’s where I’m coming from on this, if that makes sense.

  872. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    @jasonWSJ Would be funny if A-Rod forgot keys, phone, jacket in meeting, slinks back into room, “Excuse me, just forgot some stuff..I still hate you.”

    :lol:

  873. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Dan,

    The issue is not Selig’s decision making process. The issue is did Alex violate the various agreements and appropriate punishment under the agreements. It can be of no surprise to them. It may very well be a last ditch showboat.

  874. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    “I don’t think a court would enjoin MLB. Courts are very deferential to arbitration. After all, that system was agreed to ahead of time.

    What Selig knew or didn’t know years ago is not relevant to the issues in the hearing. The issues are solely AROD’s behavior.”

    Very very true. Arod’s challenge in court is a longshot. It was just made a lot easier by Manfred’s inscrutable behavior.

    Agreed, Selig knowledge as to MLB’s PED policy years ago is most likely collateral. But his knowledge as to the rationale behind the 211 game suspension is central to the issues of this arbitration.

  875. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    wondering if arod will come on francessa. that s the only reason i havent turned the fan off yet.

    he’s talking basketball to start, so obviously arod’s people havent called him yet with the plan, so mike’s in a wating pattern.

  876. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Shame,
    Technically, walking out doesn’t matter, but in reality, it does. Horowitz is human. Plus, no AROD testimony. Maybe no more evidence.

  877. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Simple question: who on this planet can best answer the question as to how the suspension got up to 211 games?

    Now that’s certainly not the bar for relevancy. It’s much lower than that. All the more reason why Selig’s failure to testify is odd.

  878. Hankflorida November 20th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    There will be offers for Cano’s services by other teams, and the market will determine what the Yankees have to pay him to keep him. If Cano continues on his pace, he will be one of the greatest second basemen ever to play the game. When Joe Gordon left the Yankee in the late 1940′s, the Yankees had a bunch of Punch and Judy hitters at that position until Cano came along. Having a second basemen who can hit for power and play the position with the best of them is a rarity in baseball. When you have such a force at second base, it is easier to find the power hitters in the outfield, DH and first base leaving shortstop, third and catcher to players who can play good defense and set the table.

  879. AAA November 20th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    “It’s a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.”

    again I hope Alex gets 211 games and MLB is so shamed that Bud and his cohorts have to retire. That would be perfect.

    Both sides in this mess are scum……

    ===================================

    Yeah, I know. I just thought it a good opportunity to throw in a quote from the 1970′s movie Bananas.

    Works better if you see Woody Allen say it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlhJ6qKC9c8

  880. kd November 20th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    we all knew arod was a *genius* but what could he hope to gain?

    maybe he knew he was sunk and is trying to curry public favor? regardless, he’s done. he’ll try to go to federal court but i doubt they’ll get involved with something trivial like this. 211 might stand

  881. blake November 20th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    either way what happened today is probably bad for the Yankees because now this mess will never be over.

  882. blake November 20th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource 1m
    A-Rod and Bud Selig should just go on Judge Judy and get it over with.

    really agree…..that would be awesome

  883. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    this year, after resting for 9 months, he was able to stay healthy for almost a month. everybody pronounced him the ‘old arod’ again, then he went back to being a shell of his former self for the last 5 weeks.
    ///

    Interesting recall, Ys.

    I also remember nearly “everybody” invoking that (or a similar) qualifier, but with the opposite emphasis: all enthusiasm came with the disclaimer: “he’s never going to be the ‘old Arod’ again, but (he looks good, turning on 94 mph fastballs from RHP, etc.).

  884. kd November 20th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    they have to operate thinking is salary will be on the books

    so sad

    anyone just wish he’s gotten his wish and been traded to the red sox?

  885. mick November 20th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Storming out of the room is not winning over Horowitz. Thanks AROD. 211 just got more likely.
    ====================
    Good call Counselor.
    Arod wants you to think that Selig is on trial here, he’s not.

  886. jacksquat November 20th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    There can still be a decision whether Arod shows up or not, right?

    Of course, I would guess the chances of the suspension being reduced can only be lessened by him walking out.

  887. blake November 20th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    “I also remember nearly “everybody” invoking that (or a similar) qualifier, but with the opposite emphasis: all enthusiasm came with the disclaimer: “he’s never going to be the ‘old Arod’ again, but (he looks good, turning on 94 mph fastballs from RHP, etc.).”

    I think it’s true that “if healthy” Arod can be productive….we saw that in August last year. The problem is that healthy Arod is a mirage…..if he’s real then it’s very fleeting these days.

    Healthy Arod is more or less a hypothetical these days…..

  888. mick November 20th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Simple question: who on this planet can best answer the question as to how the suspension got up to 211 games?
    ================
    It was the remainder of 2013 + 2014.

  889. comet November 20th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Hey Shame!!

    Okay how much does everyone want to pay Cano per year? I’m at no more than $25mm.

    How many years. I’m at 7 max, 6 if you are reasonable. No more than 7 though.

    That means my max offer is 7 years and $175mm.

  890. blake November 20th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    anybody else think Alex was probably planning to do that before he even went in there? My guess is the whole thing was staged

  891. mick November 20th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    anybody else think Alex was probably planning to do that before he even went in there? My guess is the whole thing was staged
    ============
    it was inevitable

  892. blake November 20th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    will a federal court even take this case? Seems like they’d have more important things to do

  893. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    “Simple question: who on this planet can best answer the question as to how the suspension got up to 211 games?
    ================
    It was the remainder of 2013 + 2014.”

    Excuse me but “duh!” The question is how did Arod’s conduct justify that since there is no such provision for 211 game suspensions in MLB’s drug policy or any precedent for such suspensions.

  894. mick November 20th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    “I also remember nearly “everybody” invoking that (or a similar) qualifier, but with the opposite emphasis: all enthusiasm came with the disclaimer: “he’s never going to be the ‘old Arod’ again, but (he looks good, turning on 94 mph fastballs from RHP, etc.).”
    ============
    Isn’t this what they call confirmation bias.

  895. mick November 20th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Excuse me but “duh!” The question is how did Arod’s conduct justify that since there is no such provision for 211 game suspensions in MLB’s drug policy or any precedent for such suspensions.
    =============
    how does braun’s 65 games fit in?

  896. ron November 20th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    I thought it was like 100 games for a 2nd violation,then another 50 games for obstruction,then the rest of the season.Something like that.They were saying a 2nd violation,one being from the biogenesis thing,another violation for lying about the bio thing.

  897. mick November 20th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Mike F sounds like an arod apologist.
    why? arod comes on his show, selig doesn’t?

  898. blake November 20th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    “Excuse me but “duh!” The question is how did Arod’s conduct justify that since there is no such provision for 211 game suspensions in MLB’s drug policy or any precedent for such suspensions.”

    Selig: well the agreement has collectively bargained penalties for failed drug tests. There is nothing specific about the penalties for buying PEDS from Tony Boesch at a shady medical clinic in Florida…….so as commish I guessimated how much I disliked Alex and added a little Bonds and Clemens hate in there for good measure.

  899. blake November 20th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    “I thought it was like 100 games for a 2nd violation,then another 50 games for obstruction,then the rest of the season.”

    Arod was a first time offender under the rules…..2003 doesn’t count.

  900. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    “will a federal court even take this case? Seems like they’d have more important things to do”

    I’m not sure a federal court even has jurisdiction. Didn’t Arod file his original lawsuit in state court? I believe it got removed to federal court and now there are pending motions to remand it to state court, probably for lack of federal jurisdiction.

    Trial courts, assuming they have technical subject jurisdiction, can hear just about anything. Arod’s petition may end up in a NY state court. Then it’s totally up to the judge they draw. State judges can be pretty looney. Hope he/she isn’t a Sox fan :)

  901. mick November 20th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    blake…checkout this clip, it’s an A-Riot…pword thirteen.

    https://vimeo.com/77336211

    it’s shplendid…let me know what you think

  902. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    “Simple question: who on this planet can best answer the question as to how the suspension got up to 211 games?”

    That’s been asked and answered. 211 is one entire season plus the number of games that were left in this season when the suspension was announced. They obviously picked it based on the evidence they were presenting, which was over and above the alleged JDA violation.

    austinmac, of course, has it right. Selig is not on trial in this drama, Arod is. If there’s some relevant matter that Horowitz feels must be answered by Selig, then Horowitz can ask Selig to come in. Arod doesn’t get to call in people off the street to interrogate them “just because”.

  903. blake November 20th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    TJ quinn says that Alex’s team wants this thing to go to federal court and that was always their goal.

    The whole thing is stupid……I still think they should go on Judge Judy.

  904. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    “Selig: well the agreement has collectively bargained penalties for failed drug tests. There is nothing specific about the penalties for buying PEDS from Tony Boesch at a shady medical clinic in Florida…….so as commish I guessimated how much I disliked Alex and added a little Bonds and Clemens hate in there for good measure.”

    Now imagine Blake you are the lawyer cross-examining Selig on this. That’s what we call a fun day in legal business!

  905. blake November 20th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    says I have to have a password to watch it mick

  906. mick November 20th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    So Team Arod’s strategy is to lose this case and have it overturned in federal or state court?
    Let the Atty’s speak up.

  907. mick November 20th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    blake-check back on my post

  908. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    I think it’s true that “if healthy” Arod can be productive….we saw that in August last year. The problem is that healthy Arod is a mirage…..if he’s real then it’s very fleeting these days.

    Healthy Arod is more or less a hypothetical these days…..
    ///

    I think the point last season, at least my point consistently, was that perhaps the time off, if he returned reasonably healthy, could make the short run in the stretch a viable time frame for him to really help the cause to get into the tournament.

    That is, in effect, what happened, except it didn’t last long enough.

    As someone who has been vehement since 2010 that the team’s best players were getting older and would fall off in production and could decline from age-related health – and arguing about it with people here who insisted Alex/Tex were as potent as ever and would remain so and that the lineup was “fine” and please check the runs scored column for “evidence” – you don’t have to convince me :).

    It was the basis of my disgruntlement with the Montero trade, the passing on the Cubans, and any move that might have upgraded the offense by adding youthful hitters.

    Cashman, however, assured all that the lineup was “fine.” That confidence/denial has brought the offense to where it currently resides – on its arthritic knees.

  909. ron November 20th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    I agree about 211 being too much compared to braun.
    But the cba states that a dirty test is not needed,as long as there is concrete evidence,so at the very minimum,arod could get 50 games.The obstruction charge will have to be ruled on.We just don’t know what arod did,or did not do,or how a judge,or arbitrator will rule on that charge.Thy lying about it as a 2nd charge is where I have a difficult time accepting.
    50 games for a 1st violation,and 50 for obstruction,i can buy,if enough evidence,unless mlb successfully is allowed to count arods steroid admission as a 1st offense,biogenesis as the 2nd offense,and obstruction as 50 games,that would be 150 games.

    Just don’t know.

  910. blake November 20th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    “Now imagine Blake you are the lawyer cross-examining Selig on this. That’s what we call a fun day in legal business!”

    good reason why Selig wasn’t there to testify. Look I hope he gets all 211 games but I find it very difficult how anybody from MLB can justify the number of games here……unless there is something yet to come out that we haven’t heard then it was just made up more or less. There are no grounds for almost 3x the suspension length for Braun……I guess the only thing they could say is that Braun took a deal and therefore they gave him less games…..but that’s hardly an explanation.

  911. blake November 20th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    “So Team Arod’s strategy is to lose this case and have it overturned in federal or state court?”

    seems that way……still can’t watch the video

  912. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    dont believe for a second that arod just got up and walked out on his own. this was choreographed by his lawyers, they probably had the ‘statement’ written before the hearing started.

    arod is stoic, we’ve seen him strike out in the clutch in the WS and playoffs and walk quietly back to the dugout. he never argues with umps. he is always composed.

    he was just playing the part that was written for him once the arbitrator gave him his cue.

  913. blake November 20th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    wallace matthews ?@ESPNNYYankees 4m
    MLB statement on A-Rod:
    “For more than 40 years, Major League Baseball and the Players Association have had a contractual grievance process
    wallace matthews ?@ESPNNYYankees 3m
    MLB statement, Part 2: “to address disputes between the two parties. This negotiated process has served players and clubs well. (MORE)
    wallace matthews ?@ESPNNYYankees 3m
    MLB, Part 3:
    Despite Mr.Rodriguez being upset with one of the arbitration panel’s rulings today, MLB remains committed to this process .
    wallace matthews ?@ESPNNYYankees 3m
    End MLB statement: and to a fair resolution of the pending dispute.”

  914. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    good reason why Selig wasn’t there to testify. Look I hope he gets all 211 games but I find it very difficult how anybody from MLB can justify the number of games here
    ===============
    Same reason JZ asked for 300m+ for Cano.
    Maybe he gets all of 2014 off.

  915. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    “I also remember nearly “everybody” invoking that (or a similar) qualifier, but with the opposite emphasis: all enthusiasm came with the disclaimer: “he’s never going to be the ‘old Arod’ again, but (he looks good, turning on 94 mph fastballs from RHP, etc.).”
    ============
    Isn’t this what they call confirmation bias.
    ///

    No, that is not what they call confirmation bias.

    In fact, your use of the term here makes no sense whatsoever.

  916. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    What all you guys are basically saying is someone has to testify as to how Arod’s conduct got the suspension to 211 games because it’s not obvious on its face. Does it have to be Selig? No, but from the information that has been leaked out to the public, it appears he had a major role in this. If I’m Horowitz, I’d put the burden on MLB here to prove to me that Selig is not a necessary witness. I would need some compelling evidence too. Like minutes of meetings, written procedures and the like. If Horowitz didn’t demand that, that’s more fuel for bias and ammunition for a civil court challenge.

  917. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    mick – the way team Arod is playing this, they would be laughed out of court if they attempted to have a negative decision overturned. Arbitrator’s rulings are seldom messed with (other than in select jurisdictions…), and generally speaking, there has to be some gross violation on the part of the arbitrator for that to happen.

    What you’re witnessing is a mix of desperation and stupidity. Tacopina has overplayed his hand, and Arod never had one to begin with.

  918. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Has anyone heard the rumors that red sox fans started on Reddit about Jeter, during sex and other occasions, saying Yeah Jeets. I cant believe… of course I can believe, it’s just a figure of speech… they put this out there to make Jeter look like a fool. This guy does nothing wrong, is as discrete as possible, and people believe he’d just give keys to a woman to come to his place and catch him watching highlights chanting Yeah Jeets while pounding his chest??

    Now, if you said A-Rod, during sexual acts, chanted A-Rod A-Rod, I’d believe that in a NY minute.

  919. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    “Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.”

  920. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Excuse me for laughing, but Manfred will be more than able to explain how it got to 211 games. Talk about stretching here!

  921. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Chad is likely on furlough. On furlough, he can’t access the blog, post on the blog as a reader, nothing.

  922. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    blake – AROD SENT BOESCH’S ATTORNEY $25,000. That’s for starters.

  923. blake November 20th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    “blake – AROD SENT BOESCH’S ATTORNEY $25,000. That’s for starters.”

    MLB did the same thing……Melky Cabrera made up a fake website to try to get out of his suspension and nobody even cared.

  924. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
    Excuse me for laughing, but Manfred will be more than able to explain how it got to 211 games. Talk about stretching here!

    Haha, even more incredible. This guy is sitting on the panel! He’ll be involved in the deliberations leading to the arbitration decision. This is absolutely not how it’s supposed to work.

    Arod may not be good guy. He’s probably a big cheat and all that. But as a lawyer, from a pure legal gratification perspective, you want to represent Arod here. It would be a lot more fun.

  925. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Excuse me for laughing, Talk about stretching here!
    ================
    Glad the cortisone is working.
    Stretching does help too.

  926. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    “Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.”
    ///

    That’s the definition of confirmation bias.

    Your problem is, you applied it to something that has nothing to do with it.

  927. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    To be fair, Trisha, MLB is just as, if not more, dirty in this whole escapade. While Alex is a slimeball, a symbol of corruption, only out for money, no regard for the Yankees or his teammates, MLB is worse. Always has been, always will be, and their behavior throughout this whole escapade has been more classless than Alex.

  928. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    You defend your players that you have hugged since birth.
    Arod is done, face it.
    Cano is gone, unless he settles for less.

  929. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    mick, people will always use whatever fits their narratives.

  930. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    MLB is not on trial here.

  931. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Consider this. Arbitrator doesn’t allow Selig to testify as to the rationale for the suspension. The guy who can testify is sitting on the panel and has already publically stated that Arod is the worst PED offender of all time!

    I mean the brief for the TRO pretty much writes itself doesn’t it.

  932. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    I believe Jon Lester and Red Sox organization faked his can.cer, so I will use his classlessness, consuming chicken and beer during games, berating and bullying umpires, to support my claim. People that survive can.cer generally have an appreciation for life, they try to be more healthy, they’re happy to be alive. They don’t harass umpires every time they don’t get a call to go their way.

  933. ron November 20th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    We don’t know what counts,or does not.2003 may not count,but mlb may have other non analytical offenses after 2003.

    “A 100-game suspension is reserved for a second PED offense of the Joint Drug Agreement. It would be in play only if MLB officials determine that the players lied about their involvement in previous interviews and/or the officials confirm other so-called “non-analytical” offenses. The JDA does allow baseball to discipline players without a failed drug test when sufficient evidence exists to prove purchase, receipt or use of banned drugs”.

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....z2lDNieCQT

  934. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    mick, considering the action involves MLB against Alex, their actions are pertinent to the case.

  935. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    You defend your players that you have hugged since birth.
    Arod is done, face it.
    Cano is gone, unless he settles for less.
    ///

    Is this for me, mick?

  936. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    “MLB is not on trial here.”

    I don’t mean to demean you Mick but that statement maybe one of the least true statements of all time. When you are in litigation, almost everyone in the room is on trial. Plaintiff, defendants, all the witnesses, the attorneys and even the judge. Everybody in there has to play by the rules. And if you screw up, you get punished. Witnesses can commit perjury. Attorneys can be held in contempt. And judges can be over-ruled. Now there is a little thing called relevancy in litigation which limits what type of facts that can be introduced. But it’s super easy to bring in almost anything in an arbitration. All the more reason why Selig’s lack of testimony is odd.

  937. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    generally speaking in buisness , the person representing the company is the same person who is in charge of handing out the discipline. and often this person sits as one of the arbitrators. this is offset by the fact that an equal # of arbitrators are from the employee side.

    this is the case here. is the complaint that manfred is biased against arod? well the union guy is biased against mlb. thats why they are both on the panel. each side gets equal voting on the panel and then the arbitrator is the tiebreaking vote.

    this is not a court of law, this is the way these boards are generally made up.

  938. yankinvegas November 20th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Again, all of the people involved in this case – ARod, Selig, Manfred, Levine – are scum.
    The only real problem here is that the Yankees 2014 season is being compromised to the point of no return.
    If Hal refuses to spend a penny of ARod’s money until ALL of the procedural obstacles are cleared, there is no way that we can get under 189 and be competitive. The numbers just don’t work. We need to clear the decks totally.
    As of today we need a 2b, a 3b, a RF, a C, 3 starting pitchers and a couple of relievers.
    How in the world does a team with the financial assets of the NY Yankees allow themselves to get into this position?
    Mismanagement. I’m afraid the next 2-3 years are going to be very painful. Hopefully, the club will use this time to overhaul the development system, draft well, sign key international FA and take their lumps on the field, at the box office, in the TV ratings and from the media.
    And then a new day will arrive and Mike Trout and Bryce Harper will come aboard and the 6th Yankees dynasty will commence.
    Hopefully, the Red Sox will not win any additional titles in the interim.

  939. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Is this for me, mick?
    =============
    si

  940. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    blake – MLB isn’t on trial for paying for evidence that proves that some players were violating policy (not to mention that procurement of illegal substances is also a violation of law.) Arod was paying to attempt to silence efforts to bring forth that evidence.

    So apples and oranges, it isn’t funny.

    MLB is not on trial here unless it can be shown that they doctored evidence against Arod. Otherwise Arod is the one who is on trial because he is the one who refused the suspension and wanted it appealed. The case is against Arod, not against MLB.

    I’m sure that’s exactly what mick meant.

  941. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Is this for me, mick?
    =============
    si
    ///

    That’s a lower-case “si”.

    Care to explain what you mean?

    You lost me.

  942. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    yankinvegas, the idiots on here proclaimed after the Gonzo trade last year that the Red Sox were a few years away from rebuilding and contending from a World Series. I was the only one that understood that the Red Sox are the Red Sox, anything can happen with them, no matter how unlikely, and I go into every season fearful of them winning.

    None of their moves were all that great, their offense shouldve stunk, Lester had been a bum for a couple years, Buchholz has been injury prone, Lackey’s career was done, their bullpen was shot after losing 2 closers, but they’re the Red Sox. They can do anything.

  943. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    “generally speaking in buisness , the person representing the company is the same person who is in charge of handing out the discipline. and often this person sits as one of the arbitrators. this is offset by the fact that an equal # of arbitrators are from the employee side.

    this is the case here. is the complaint that manfred is biased against arod? well the union guy is biased against mlb. thats why they are both on the panel. each side gets equal voting on the panel and then the arbitrator is the tiebreaking vote.

    this is not a court of law, this is the way these boards are generally made up.”

    Sorry. I’ve been personally involved in probably two dozens private arbitrations involving the financial services industry. My firm has been involved in hundreds, if not thousands. I’ve never heard of a sitting panel member (even the partial members) being a witness. And absolutely never have I heard any arbitration of any kind in which a panel member publically criticized a party to the arbitration.

  944. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Arod is getting excoriated for the same reason that certain players HOF worthy will not go to the Hall.

    You lie, you pay.

    Now they just have to prove it.

    That is what the 211 is based on.

  945. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    That’s a lower-case “si”.

    Care to explain what you mean?

    You lost me.
    ===============
    same here

  946. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    I’m sure that’s exactly what mick meant.
    =============
    Thank you counselor.

  947. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Mr. Baseball himself, Pat M, said the Red Sox would rebuild for a few years and not be in contention. I wish some people would go back and look at the pile of poo they spew, and realize they know nothing about sports.

  948. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    no matter how great cano might be
    yankee fans won’t miss him if
    they perceive him to be a punk
    which is the way most view arod

  949. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    I wish some people would go back and look at the pile of poo they spew
    =================
    most ppl do, they just won’t admit it..

  950. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Austin and others pointed out a while ago – and they’re right – that it is a really strange way to do business anyway. A three person panel consisting of one each representing the two sides and then Horowitz. In reality, it is Horowitz’s decision alone because the two “interested” parties have already voted by dint of their being there in their respective positions.

  951. blake November 20th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 4m
    did a-rod “lose it” as intimate says, or is he sensing he’s en route to losing? http://cbsprt.co/19HvaO1

  952. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    dan i take your word for it but i’ve only been to one arbitration hearing and the head of HR, who is the person who fired the employee was on the arbitration panel.

  953. 86w183 November 20th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Alex might prevail in court in terms of a civil action against MLB/Selig for damages, but I sincerely doubt it. I’m not sure any court will be sympathetic to the “they’re sleazier than I am” argument.

    However it wont have any bearing on his suspension unless they can document malfeasance type issues with the arbitrator.

  954. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    In reality, it is Horowitz’s decision alone because the two “interested” parties have already voted by dint of their being there in their respective positions.
    ==========================
    True but why not give him more to work with.
    He is supposed to be unbiased and is judging them as well as arod.

  955. blake November 20th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    I do think it’s interesting that Alex has yet to deny taking PEDs……with this much hoopla you’d think he’d be all in and not just trying to reduce the suspension.

  956. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    mick,

    Is this about your misuse of the term “confirmation bias”?

    Or is this just a case of two non sequiturs in a row, directed at me, from you?

    Please explain, since you took the trouble to address me twice.

  957. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    this was choreographed for a while. once the arbitrator made his ruling, arod followed the script his lawyers had already written.

  958. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

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  959. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    arod’s being advised by some who want to draw this out by any means necessary as their compensation depends on it.

    they know he is losing, want to make a mockery out of it, and take it to a higher court making even more money

  960. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Cortisone and probably pain meds. Time to take advantage of Trisha. Oh well, never mind. :)

  961. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Please explain, since you took the trouble to address me twice.
    =======================
    excuse me but you addressed me by name and i answered.
    try to keep it civil.

  962. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    New York Yankees (34)
    Extremely Likely Protections: OF Slade Heathcott, C Gary Sanchez, RHP Tommy Kahnle, RHP Bryan Mitchell, RHP Shane Greene.
    Possible Protections: RHP Jose Campos, LHP Freddy Lewis, RHP Chase Whitley, RHP Daniel Burawa.

    No team has more players it needs to protect and more players it likely can’t protect than the Yankees. Sanchez is a no-doubt protection and Kahnle, Mitchell and Greene are the kind of high-velocity arms who would be quickly popped if left eligible for the Rule 5. Heathcott had a disappointing 2013 season, but his defense and speed would give him some value, while a team bides its time for a potential future payoff at the plate. The decision is a little tougher with Campos. He was a key part of the Michael Pineda trade with the Mariners that has had virtually no payoff for the Yankees yet, but his stuff took a step back as he returned from a 2012 elbow injury. Lewis impressed scouts with 11 scoreless innings of work in the Arizona Fall League. Whitley isn’t spectacular, but he has plenty of Triple-A success and a useful ability to pound the bottom of the strike zone. Burawa missed all of 2012 with a torn oblique, but he showed the same mid-90s fastball in his return in 2013, though his control needs work.

    (as per link above; don’t know if this is sub only or not…)

  963. blake November 20th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Given that there is no guaranteed a federal or state court will even take this case…..seems like a dumb thing Alex did today with regards to him winning. GO MLB!!!!

  964. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Team Arod never asked for any kind of injunction. I think that their case is coming unraveled at the seams and they are taking on water fast. Tacopina likely banked on being able to excoriate MLB for PEDs inaction and have that take the day, some kind of distorted PEDs defense. They were trying to weave some tapestry of illusion by filing lawsuits and against MLB and Dr. Ahmad, then calling out the Yankees, with Arod alleging that it was to the benefit of “certain parties” that he be suspended, and he specifically said it was not the game of baseball, and not the fans. We all know who that left.

    Tacopina called everyone’s bluff but he was sitting without any cards.

    Arod is in the deepest doo doo he probably has ever been in.

    As an aside, if you look at the wording of the JDA, Arod’s public admission mightfit into the definition, and that would be violation #1. (At least 1, since we know there was the 2003 list and a failed test in 2007.)

  965. comet November 20th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Why shouldn’t Selig appear as a witness? Arod is entitled to due process. If he feels the players union didn’t fairly represent him he can sue them for not protecting his rights. The Union has a duty to represent any player to the best of its ability.

    No answers yet on my Cano question.

  966. comet November 20th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    You guys have Arod. we’ve got Rob Ford.

  967. blake November 20th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    “No answers yet on my Cano question.”

    8/200 is my limit and that’s gritting my teeth…..

  968. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    mick – he is NOT judging them. He is judging the evidence being lodged against Arod. Period.

  969. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    mick, just ignore the troll. not one sensible idea has ever come from that troll.

  970. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    “Why shouldn’t Selig appear as a witness? Arod is entitled to due process.”

    He is getting due process. Manfred is an agent of Selig. End of story.

  971. mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    No answers yet on my Cano question.
    ==============
    perhaps you have reached that level of obscurity you once mentioned.

  972. mick November 20th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    mick – he is NOT judging them. He is judging the evidence being lodged against Arod.
    =================
    true.

  973. 86w183 November 20th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    “No answers yet on my Cano question.”

    8/200 is my limit and that’s gritting my teeth…..

    ********************************************************************

    I’d probably give these options:

    Four years @ $ 25

    Five years @ $ 24

    Six years @ $ 23

    Seven years @ $ 22

  974. mick November 20th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    arod walked out and called it a farce.
    might be the 1st honest thing he has said in his life.

  975. mick November 20th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    I’d probably give these options:

    Four years @ $ 25

    Five years @ $ 24

    Six years @ $ 23

    Seven years @ $ 22
    ==============
    they are asking for 300m and your best offer is 154.
    225 is in the middle.

  976. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    “Arod is entitled to due process. If he feels the players union didn’t fairly represent him he can sue them for not protecting his rights. The Union has a duty to represent any player to the best of its ability”

    The union also has a right not to look totally stupid in defending a player. The union was representing him to the best of their ability. Look what the hell they had to work with!
    He got his nose out of joint when it became public that the head of his union had recommended he accept some suspension.

    The union stated that they were recommending he accept some suspension “based on the evidence.” Maybe Weiner had an attack of conscience due to his illness and decided that he wanted to be honorable in his remaining duties. Maybe he wanted to be perceived as having intelligence as well as having integrity.

    All the other stuff was nothing more than Tacopina posturing. You can see where it’s gotten him.

  977. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Depositions of CEOs are called Apex depositions. Lawyers tried to get leverage by deposing the big boys at companies . The courts have essentially said, I think if I am remembering correctly, the CEO etc. does not need to testify if the information can be obtained from other sources. Here, Manfred, in charge of this matter, has as much knowledge, if not more than Selig. It is no surprise in the least Horowitz ruled this way.

    Therefore, as Ys suggested earlier, I suspect this is all part of the script.

  978. UpState November 20th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    That’s a lower-case “si”.

    Care to explain what you mean?

    You lost me.
    ===============
    same here
    ———————————-
    it’s OK to be lost & befuddled.
    being lost on an older explanation is not actually befuddlement…
    however, not explaining how lost you are, or how lost you’ve been, is certainly are reasonable reason for being lost without total befuddlement.

  979. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    “Here, Manfred, in charge of this matter, has as much knowledge, if not more than Selig. It is no surprise in the least Horowitz ruled this way.”

    Absolutely. Common sense.

    Desperate people do desperate things. And Tacopina is charging a huge fee for making the mess he’s making!

    :D

  980. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    INFINITY

  981. 86w183 November 20th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    I don’t give a rats rear end what they are asking. My proposals are all by a wide margin more $$$ in terms of AAV than any 2B in the history of the game. My numbers are fair and reasonable.

    $ 300 M over ten years is pure stupidity.

    You should never base an offer on what the other side proposes.

  982. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    THIS IS THE MOST ENTERTAINING OFFSEASON…

    EVER!!!!

  983. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    New name of street at 4th & Broadway in NYC near New Era store (via @Philc_dkcsports) pic.twitter.com/UnYfpshrJK
    Retweeted by Mark Feinsand

  984. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    they won’t ask for a tro until arod is not allowed to play. the argument would be that he should be allowed to play while the case is being heard. prior to that he’s not losing any money.

    i dont think he has any chance of civil court stepping in on this. but im just pointing out that while they haven’t asked for a TRO yet, it doesnt mean they wont. they just have to wait until there is a threat to his ability to work.

  985. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/403252867290501120/photo/1

  986. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Bret – there you had the other players accepting their suspensions, and a few coming out and admitting they did procure illegal stuff from Boesch and they regret doing so; even Braun took extra games and then came out with an admission of past wrongdoing!

    Then you have our dope, Arod, the one with the dirtiest hands of all, making a mockery of the whole deal from beginning to end.

    How ridiculous do you think he’s looking to the rest of the baseball community, since they know he’s done it in the past and without question did it again this time! (He never denied; so in essence he’s admitted.)

    Tacopina is trying to bail water from the Titanic with a vodka bottle, and his actions show that that bottle is empty and he imbibed the entire bottle!

    :D

  987. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    The union is not obligated to look stupid in defending him. Unions regularly recommend their members accept punishment.

    The whole Selig knew of PED use years ago is the same strategy Lance Armstrong is using. It is irrelevant to any issue.

    I predict Alex’ federal court case will be dismissed by the court.

  988. blake November 20th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Jeff Passan ?@JeffPassan 7m
    Know why Alex Rodriguez’s case is a farce? Because of Alex Rodriguez. He should look in the mirror — again. Column: http://yhoo.it/1fiUlPa

  989. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    They had no idea he was going to be allowed to continue to play until it was announced. The time to ask for the injunction was then. They didn’t ask for it because the evidence against him was overwhelming and they knew it! They won’t be asking for one either.

  990. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    We’re in the money! We’re in the money!

  991. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    austin, with you 100% on what you’re saying and predicting.

  992. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Please explain, since you took the trouble to address me twice.
    =======================
    excuse me but you addressed me by name and i answered.
    try to keep it civil.
    ///

    No, I was addressing YsGuy, and how can “please explain” and “you took the trouble” be met with a request to “keep it civil”?

    Civility, and answering the question, is your burden, since you made comments meant for me, twice:

    You interjected upon my reply to YsGuy, by asking me if my response to him was the ‘definition of confirmation bias.’

    I civilly replied that the term was not applicable to the exchange.

    You then posted a dictionary definition of confirmation bias (in quotes, so I assume you looked it up).

    I replied that the definition you quoted was correct in terms of the meaning of the term, but that it was still a non sequitur in respect to applying to what I had to say to YsGuy.

    You then, without addressing be by name, although you confirmed the comment was “for me,” switched gears, although continued ot comment in my direction, by making another non sequitur: this time, that I “hug (my) your players since birth…” something about Cano and Alex Rodriguez no longer being Yankees, and my having to “face” this, or something like that.

    I asked you to explain, that the comment had “lost me.” Your reply was “same here.”

    So, I still have no idea what the point was of any of your comments, and how they relate to me or how they were provoked by me, having nothing to do with anything I said or who I said it to.

    As the text shows, you addressed my comment.

    I answered you.

    You then wrote something you have failed to explain, even though I asked you to do so.

    Are you just commenting obliquely and directly, in turns, to me to entertain yourself?

    Are you not interested in a dialogue with me? If so, you would do best to not address me or my comments to others, for that would be wasting the entire board’s time, and I don’t believe the moderators or the commenters really want that.

    Just in case you think the rolling/scrolling momentous nature of this comments section can obfuscate the actual exchanges, here they are again to remind you; making your “keep it civil” comment really stand out as the third non sequitur:

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    this year, after resting for 9 months, he was able to stay healthy for almost a month. everybody pronounced him the ‘old arod’ again, then he went back to being a shell of his former self for the last 5 weeks.
    ///

    Interesting recall, Ys.

    I also remember nearly “everybody” invoking that (or a similar) qualifier, but with the opposite emphasis: all enthusiasm came with the disclaimer: “he’s never going to be the ‘old
    Arod’ again, but (he looks good, turning on 94 mph fastballs from RHP, etc.).

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    “Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.”
    ///

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    “I also remember nearly “everybody” invoking that (or a similar) qualifier, but with the opposite emphasis: all enthusiasm came with the disclaimer: “he’s never going to be the ‘old Arod’ again, but (he looks good, turning on 94 mph fastballs from RHP, etc.).”
    ============
    Isn’t this what they call confirmation bias.
    ///

    No, that is not what they call confirmation bias.

    In fact, your use of the term here makes no sense whatsoever.

    That’s the definition of confirmation bias.

    Your problem is, you applied it to something that has nothing to do with it.
    ///

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    You defend your players that you have hugged since birth.
    Arod is done, face it.
    Cano is gone, unless he settles for less.
    ///

    Is this for me, mick?

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Is this for me, mick?
    =============
    si

    ///

    I wonder why I speculated that this was a wrench to distract from your misuse of the term “confirmation bias”?….

    Now, if you can’t come up with a reason for that comment about “hugging” players “since birth”, as you seem unable to, then I will suggest again that you don’t address me unless you actually want an answer/dialogue.

  993. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    “Cortisone and probably pain meds. Time to take advantage of Trisha. Oh well, never mind. :)

    :D

    No pain meds. Just an anti-inflammatory and a muscle relaxant.

    Did you see my earlier post. I ended up taking all of your advice.

  994. mick November 20th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Or as Elmer Fudd would say:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiEUDzIrEQE

  995. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Injunctions are an equitable remedy. A party seeking one must come to the court with “clean hands”. Alex does not seem to qualify.

    Trisha, I only think you are agreeing with me today is because you are drugged up I do like it though. There is an upside to everything. :)

  996. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    fem – Thanks for the link to the 40-man info.

    comet – I’d go to $200 for Cano but I think I’m in the minority. I think he’ll get that much.

  997. UpState November 20th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Hugging can often cause befuddlement….

    but I’m too confused to remember selective and/or random past hugglementations.

  998. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    austin, no. I’m agreeing with you because you are an honest person who strives to be objective always. We are on the same page in terms of our legal interpretations because we’re not attempting to find any back-door sneak attacks. We’re calling it like we see it.

    If you check the posts, some of what you have said, I said in earlier posts!

  999. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Trisha,

    I only know about a few things in this world. I know a fair amount about the body, particularly the spine. You are doing the right things now. It should ease soon, I hope. Let us know.

  1000. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    There are two Alex Rodriguez sentiments I have.

    I don’t ever want to see Alex Rodriguez again.

    I don’t want Alex Rodriguez to ever die. The explanation for this is simple. In death, people (media and fans alike) will mock him beyond what any of you can imagine. The same people that hypocritically find the mocking of dead people to be heinous will mock A-Rod with a total lack of compassion and humaneness.

  1001. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    “dan i take your word for it but i’ve only been to one arbitration hearing and the head of HR, who is the person who fired the employee was on the arbitration panel.”

    I suppose that could happen with smaller employers but I think anyone can see why you’d want to avoid a panel member being a witness. The whole “officer of the court” thing. I just don’t understand why MLB would want Manfred to be the employer panel member knowing that he was a key witness. It just wasn’t necessary.

  1002. UpState November 20th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
    Or as Elmer Fudd would say:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiEUDzIrEQE
    —————————-

    Prime example for clear and concise befuddlement stemming from the occasional fuddlement.
    Fuddlement is so much easier to understand.

  1003. blake November 20th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    So it seems this whole thing was a ploy to try and get a federal court to look at the case…..will a federal court even take it?

  1004. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    thats a good point. if the arbitration hearing is held up for any significant amount of time because of his walkout, it will be much harder for his lawyers to ask for a TRO in Spring because thier client delayed the arbitration.

    but im with austinmac, i believe the civil court case will be dismissed before any question of a TRO comes up.

  1005. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    I hope that the Yankees add another left hand position player FA bat, another starting pitcher, trade for a third baseman, that Cano sees a future by signing with the Yankees and that the Yankees win the Tanaka sweepstakes.

    Wouldn’t mind an opening day healthy lineup of:
    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    SorianoLF
    Teixeira 1B
    McCann C
    Reynolds DH
    Prado 3B
    Almonte RF

  1006. NYY fan in NH November 20th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    The Yankees have to move away from Cano and go get a couple of bats. I’m sure it would be more attractive to him to see an improved lineup where he can get protection around him. You can’t wait on him. These players will be moving shortly and the Yanks will be left in the dark waiting for Cano, Arod and Tanaka to become available

  1007. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    A federal court will not take the arbitration case absent an appeal from the case, and if they do take it, it would have to be for serious infractions on the part of the arbitrator.

  1008. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Y’s Guy – they’re not going to ask for a TRO. As austin already pointed out, you don’t go to equity court with dirty hands. In addition, if they did ask for one – which they will not – it would be laughed out of there.

  1009. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    “Depositions of CEOs are called Apex depositions. Lawyers tried to get leverage by deposing the big boys at companies . The courts have essentially said, I think if I am remembering correctly, the CEO etc. does not need to testify if the information can be obtained from other sources. Here, Manfred, in charge of this matter, has as much knowledge, if not more than Selig. It is no surprise in the least Horowitz ruled this way.”

    Like I said before, that depends totally on the facts of this case. If the CEO is involved in negotiating an acquisition of a company and the matter ends up in litigation he will testify. But you don’t need a CEO to testify as to the supervisory procedures surrounding a company’s drug policy. If Selig had any input at all in the decision to suspend Arod 211 games he should testify. I find it hard to believe Manfred, or anyone else, made that decision without Selig’s input and approval.

    The “Unclean Hands” defense is a defense to any equitable action, including a TRO. But since it rarely works you make that the last point in your brief.

  1010. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Cano does know what it’s like to live without protection.

    I’m sure that when he looks up and down the lineup he gets the same queasy feeling I do.

    Even though I have followed the team’s sad steps to the current incarnation, I still find myself mystified by the level of seed they let things get to.

  1011. TKR November 20th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    two for me

    goodbye Cano

    no part of Peralta

  1012. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Um.. Arod just showed up in studio with Francesa.

  1013. UpState November 20th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Must see TV…

    AROD with Mike !

  1014. UpState November 20th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Must hear radio…

  1015. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Dan,

    Disagree only slightly. Pretty good for lawyers. Do you sense it was a put up storm out or fear and frustration venting?

  1016. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    “Today I just lost my mind.” – Arod

    lol

  1017. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Alex sounds pretty emo right now.

  1018. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    “I know he (Selig) doesn’t like NY.’ – Arod

  1019. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Omg this is a real life thing.

    “You expected him to be here today?” _ Mike
    “No we didn’t.” – Arod’s lawyer

  1020. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Arod turned down Leno.

  1021. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    i KNEW arod would show up on francessa today!

    now lets see if mike asks if he ever bought or used PED’s from biogenesis.

    of course he wont, just like before. then afterwards he’ll say ‘he wasnt going to answer so i didnt ask’

  1022. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    “This thing should end with me on Thursday and him (Selig) on Friday. Put your money where your mouth is.” – Arod

  1023. blake November 20th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 2m
    Now, A-Rod is on with Francesa

    it’s almost like they planned all this …..lol

  1024. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Alex says he’ll take the hearing to Milwaukee.

    Guys.. this is a real life thing that’s happening right now.

    Alex claiming ‘he’s done and doesn’t have a chance’ so I suppose he’s gearing up for the federal suit. This is weird.

  1025. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Alex missed his daughter’s birthday.

  1026. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Arod’s lawyer says Alex has the right to face his accusers in a court of law, Mike points out it is not a court of law.

    Mike asks him if he did PEDs. No.

    Did you obstruct justice? No.

    Did you do anything wrong? No.

  1027. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Alex has said he didn’t do PEDs

  1028. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    he asked! give him credit.

    and arod lied again, big surprise!

  1029. pkyankfan69 November 20th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Pretty surprised Arod denied PED use

  1030. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    “Major league baseball has put no evidence forward.” – Arods Lawyer

    Alex will not go back to arbitration since Selig will not go.

  1031. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    I must thank you sincerely Shame. This is must see TV

  1032. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Manfred told Arod ‘this isn’t my decision’ in the courtroom. So Alex feels he should be there.

    Arod keeps saying Selig doesn’t like NY.

    Arod says he’s part of history. I hope Kanye West calls in.

  1033. kd November 20th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    how can he deny use at this point?

  1034. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    I believe Alex. Im back on the Alex train!! AROD!! AROD!! I believe you!!

  1035. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    “If I gave Bosch $5 million dollars he’d say whatever I asked him to, too.” – Arod

  1036. yanks61 November 20th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    This was posted on RAB just a little while ago. Apologies for the length but it does seem to answer a lot of the questions being brought up here:

    Dan in Athens says:

    November 20, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    I am a former lawyer who has handled labor matters in both arbitrations and federal court. Please allow me to clear up some issues that have a patently false premise.

    1. Management and unions are allowed to set up Alternative Dispute Resolution through any Collectively Bargained Agreement. This ADR does not have to comply with the federal rules of evidence and can limit testimony, witnesses, time, documentation, discovery, etc… Also, under the FAA, you can waive your right to access to courts with the exception of extremely limited violations committed by the arbitrator or fraud in the proceedings. To quote Sham Das, the former arbitrator, “They would have to prove bias, something along those lines,” Das said. “Neither party would have much of a chance if it went to court.”

    2. Only the government can deny you “due process.” Non-governmental actors can commit breaches of contract and various torts that you can recover for (tortious interference, fraud, defamation, etc…) in terms of injunction or damages. As a matter of law, this arbitrator or MLB cannot engage in violating “due process.” Please stop typing any comments about this.

    3. It is common for a plaintiff to try to call the head of a company in a labor matter. The defense almost always moves to block this based on the nature of the evidence. The most efficient and successful defense is that another individual has already provided the evidence and it would be cumulative or an absence of personal knowledge. It is more likely than not that the objections of defense counsel are sustained in matters involving large corporations, but it is not so rare that it doesn’t happen, especially when personal actions did occur. However, this is always based on the facts of the specific situation as proffered by the attorneys. No one here know what those were.

    4. ARod himself has not met the requirements to testify and as of now was not going to testify. The grievance proceedings require a pre-interview for discovery purposes for the player to testify. ARod was to do so on 11/15, but produced a doctor’s note claiming his was sick. No interview was ever rescheduled. He has a right to not testify on his behalf in accordance with the proceedings, and having exercised it, looks pretty hypocritical complaining that someone else did not do so. Also, please don’t invoke the Fifth Amendment, as you can be compelled to testify in a civil matter you initiate and then not answer under the Fifth Amendment – but then it is presumed that your failure to answer is an admission against you. This will happen in any state or federal civil matter filed by ARod after the arbitration.

    5. The rules allow testimony by affidavit. This would not happen in state or federal court, except in motion practice.

    6. “The law is what’s in the contract. And in this case, the parties’ joint drug agreement, that’s the law. The drug program itself sets forward the standard. It specifically states what has to be shown by the commissioner in order to have the discipline upheld.” By essentially punting their case if they don’t come back tomorrow, the arbitrator is going to have to decide if MLB baseball made their case in accordance with the requirements by a preponderance of the evidence (which means that it is more likely than not) that either sufficient evidence was produced or an error was committed. No one but the parties in the room know what has been presented.

    Excellent short summary of the process, which I used the quotes from can be found here.

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/…..-1.5491978

  1037. Captain Clutch November 20th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Arod saying that he never did PED’s is hysterical….

  1038. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Arod wanted to have brunch with Selig, without attorneys.

    Selig didn’t wanna have brunch with Arod.

  1039. Patrick November 20th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    A-rod is awesome, love that dude

  1040. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    “People in the industry who hate me are saying, ‘you’re getting railroaded.’” – Arod

  1041. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    I never shouldve doubted you Alex. You’re a man after my own heart! AROD! AROD!

  1042. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    ok so who believe arod didnt buy PED’s from Biogenesis?

  1043. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Arod says Boesch got a book deal that will hurt MLB.

  1044. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    “thats a good point. if the arbitration hearing is held up for any significant amount of time because of his walkout, it will be much harder for his lawyers to ask for a TRO in Spring because thier client delayed the arbitration.

    but im with austinmac, i believe the civil court case will be dismissed before any question of a TRO comes up.”

    You file your petition for the TRO at the same time you file your action to vacate the arbitration decision. The court will give you your hearing on the TRO first which may occur the day you file or soon thereafter. If it’s granted it usually works for 10 days with a right to extend it 10 more days. Then you’ll have to move for a preliminary injunction. There could be a separate hearing and trial around that. At the same time you have your regular civil action to vacate. Now that would go on regular calendar but it may be stayed pending the result of your motion for a preliminary injunction. If the regular action moves ahead, MLB can move to dismiss anytime after the filing the complaint. If the TRO or the preliminary injunction is denied then you go ahead with the regular litigation to vacate the arbitration decision, starting with the motions to dismiss. If a motion to dismiss is granted on jurisdictional grounds Arod would probably be able to file again in a different court. If a preliminary injunction is granted I would then assume MLB has lost, settle to a permanent injunction and then go back and re-do the arbitration. I’m not sure there would be a need for a trial on the merits at that point but MLB could demand one.

    I think that’s everything but I probably missed a few points.

  1045. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Did you leak anyone’s name to Yahoo sports? No.

    “There was no intimidating there was none of that.” – Arod

  1046. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    “When (people say) it’s not about the money, Mike, it’s always about the money.” – Arod

  1047. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    that kind of stuff is all scripted. all the ‘i asked them to sit down man to man’ and ‘people are telling me’ crap is all written by his PR guy.

    they’ve lose the arbitration hearing and this is the start of round 2.

    i hope mlb hits him with a lifetime suspension based on this obstruction of the process.

  1048. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    “I play for the city of New York. This is the city. I’ve never gotten more love than walking around the city – I thought this was where people would be banging me over the head the most.” – Arod

    “Are you angry with the Yankees?” “Yes, but I’m the Yankees third baseman. And you saw what the Red Sox did this season after last year and I want to do that.”

  1049. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    “its all about the money’ cuts both ways. it could be what he is intimating, that the whole thing is so the yankees dont have to pay him.

    but it’s actaully a better explanation of why arod is lying through his teeth.

  1050. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    “MLB tried to put on a case.. we have more evidence to put in. We’re going to evaluate our options.” Arod’s lawyer in regards to whether he will participate in the remainder in the arb hearing.

    “Whether you like me or not, wrong is wrong. The process is wrong…. If I appeal the union has already told me they can give me another 100 games. Now you’re at 311, then you’re at 411.. And this can go on for 7 or 8 years.” – Arod

  1051. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Whatever else he did or didn’t do, I do not believe Alex would leak the names of fellow players.

    My sense of him is that, that is a code that he would not transgress.

    He called the accusation “disgusting,” and that seemed a very visceral response.

  1052. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    “One point of absolute absurdity that must be pointed out – MLB acts as the police agency, they select the judge, and the accuser can further discipline the player if he is believed to be lying.” – Arod’s lawyer

    Mike saying it’s on the players for agreeing to this process, even though he also thinks it pressures players not to appeal because they can get suspended further.

  1053. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Did you leak anyone’s name to Yahoo sports? No.

    “There was no intimidating there was none of that.” – Arod
    ///

    He called it “disgusting,” and it would be. I just don’t see it.

  1054. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    baseball has been saying that the leak came from his pr guy’s office.

    sure arod wouldnt do it himself and the pr guy says he himself didnt do it.

    but that absolves none of them from the leak, it just means that some underling did it.

  1055. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    “A-rod is awesome, love that dude”

    I think he is channeling George Constanza. It’s not a lie if you believe it.

  1056. comet November 20th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Shame if you go 8/200mm then you are paying Cano big money at age 39. In fact you are paying him big money from age 35 to age 39 a time when his production with begin to fade. That is five years out of the eight years we are likely over paying him. That is our problem with Arod and Tex and CC.

    I don’t know the answer.

  1057. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    All the other guys didn’t fight the system – Mike

    I’ll give you the elevator ride answer: think about what I’ve been through. If you think about the other 10 players, with what I’ve been through – do you think anyone else would fight major league baseball? These guys are very powerful, they have unlimited resources and they have no recourse. Think about that: no recourse. – Arod

  1058. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    If Alex is saying he didn’t do PEDs then he better be able to prove that.

  1059. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    “If I had one more year at $12 million dollars would anyone be coming after me?” – Arod

  1060. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    If Alex is saying he didn’t do PEDs then he better be able to prove that.

    ————-

    It’s MLB that has to prove that he did.

  1061. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    oh, ok arod’s lawyer says none of this happened. done. give him his glove back.

    theres no way any lawyer would lie, and we all know arod would never lie.

    so it never happened.

  1062. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Bob Klapisch ?@BobKlap 2m
    Had a labor attorney tell me it’s a “million to one” chance a federal court would hear A-Rod appeal. But he’s still going to sue everyone.

  1063. TKR November 20th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    not a ARod fan but great point..if I was only owed 12 mil for one year would MLB come this hard after me….man his he pissed at the Yankees

  1064. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    “We’ve been there for 12 days and haven’t heard one thing that’s credible.” -Arod on MLB evidence presented.

    Says he wants the transcripts released.

  1065. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    “If Alex is saying he didn’t do PEDs then he better be able to prove that”

    But Blake, in this country, it’s always been the other way around. (now it’s different in England). We have to remember here, none of these guys failed a drug test. Does anyone find that a bit unusual? That so many players would agree to a suspension without failing a drug test? I pointed this out months ago, and I believe now more than ever if Donald Fehr or Marvin Miller were running the union this would have turned out much different.

  1066. joeman November 20th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    nice job by Fran

  1067. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Mike reiterating the point that he claims he didn’t do anything. Arod giving a clear denial.

    “I’m so pissed off right now.” – Arod

    “I can’t believe someone would make a historical decision on my life – who goes on Davide Letterman and embarrasses me – but doesn’t have the (something) to meet me face to face.”- Arod

    Mike calls Selig a used car salesman and says he should be there lol.

  1068. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    I believe ARod. I’m an excellent judge of character. He’s innocent.

  1069. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    “A-rod is awesome, love that dude”

    I think he is channeling George Constanza. It’s not a lie if you believe it.
    ////

    There’s truth and there’s evidence, though. That he used, we already know, at least in the past. Ho-hum. There’s a reason why GMs anonymously quoted admit that “Our game has a real problem.”

    I would be far more disappointed if he had outed peers.

  1070. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    you’re both wrong. mlb doesnt have to prove that arod took ped’s. they just have to convince an arbitrator that it is more likely he did than he didnt.

    and arod doesnt have to prove he didnt, he just has to convince the arbitrator that it’s more likely that he didn’t than that he did.

    the civil court case isnt about whether arod took ped’s its about whether mlb conspired against arod.

    so nobody has to ‘prove’ use or non use of ped’s.

  1071. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    “It’s MLB that has to prove that he did.”

    if they have the evidence they say they do and he’s not going back to the hearing then not sure how that’s gonna play out for him.

  1072. Patrick November 20th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    A-rod may or may not have done PED’s from Bosch but it’s almost a certainty that MLB is on a witch hunt here. A-rod is being seriously screwed over right now

  1073. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    arod’s so worried about explaining this to his daughter. he’s got alot worse (family wise) to explain to his daughter.

    the pr guy must’ve told him to mention the daughter as often as possible.

  1074. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    ‘I’m so heated up right now.. ‘ – Arod

    Says he’ll confer with his lawyers and make determination on how they wanna handle this going forward.

    Are you prepared to come back and play out your contract with the Yankees?

    ’100% – I feel like I’m gonna have a full off season to prepare which I haven’t had in a while.. when you see what guys like Big Papi are doing at 37..’ – Arod

  1075. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    “If I had one more year at $12 million dollars would anyone be coming after me?” – Arod

    what does that have to do with MLB’s case….they aren’t paying him

  1076. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Im so happy ARod keeps talking about Big Papi. Maybe his affection for him will arouse suspicion of Papi.

  1077. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Bob Klapisch ?@BobKlap 2m
    “Had a labor attorney tell me it’s a “million to one” chance a federal court would hear A-Rod appeal. But he’s still going to sue everyone.”

    Not a very good lawyer. There are no million to one shots in the American Legal System when litigation and rich lawyers are involved.

    But for the oddities of the case, (Manfred and what happened today), I’d say about 50 to 1 is more like it. Now, about 4 to 1 against.

  1078. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    “But Blake, in this country, it’s always been the other way around. (now it’s different in England). We have to remember here, none of these guys failed a drug test.”

    everyone associated with Biogenesis took deals and most of them have admitted to using….nobody fought this but Arod. What does that tell us? That they fabricated all this evidence on Arod when everyone else connected took deals and fessed up?

  1079. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Arod saying he never could have gotten away with getting a phone number during a game. Saying that would have been caught on tv or someone’s camera and that the charge was ridiculous.

  1080. ronDL white November 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    LMAO!! This guy is fantastic! He’s a comedian, too!! Alex!! Alex!!

  1081. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Arod has lied so many times he’s lost his benefit of the doubt with regards to this subject to me……him saying he didn’t use PEDs is meaningless without proof.

  1082. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    I don’t doubt that guys like C have Alex’s back. We’ll see how far that can go before it becomes strained, if not withdrawn. But the bottom line is, the players know which way the wind blows in the “game inside the game.”

  1083. joeman November 20th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    can’t see all of ARod..but he looks like he dropped lbs

  1084. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    blake – Arod and his people seem to be saying no one will challenge the charges because they can face more suspensions if they testify in arbitration.

  1085. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    tell that to ryan braun who not only challenged and won.

  1086. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    “It was nutrition and weight-loss only.” – Arod

    “I have 100s of emails that back me up 100%.” – Arod

  1087. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Alex says he’s worked with many individuals on his health/fitness and has always done things within the parameters of MLB’s rules.

  1088. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Nutrition and weight loss :)

    I wonder if ashwaganda is on the banned list? Great for injury recovery, among a seemingly unlimited list of other things it takes care of.

  1089. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    “everyone associated with Biogenesis took deals and most of them have admitted to using….nobody fought this but Arod. What does that tell us? That they fabricated all this evidence on Arod when everyone else connected took deals and fessed up?”

    Blake, that’s part of the point, they didn’t take any deals (except maybe Braun). They all took the maximum penalty. That’s like saying to the DA, “ok, I’ll settle with you and plead to Murder One.”

    Everything about this has been really strange. Almost makes you believe we haven’t seen nearly the end of this.

  1090. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Arod saying MLB investigators left a bag of money under a table.

  1091. TKR November 20th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    joeman November 20th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
    can’t see all of ARod..but he looks like he dropped lbs
    ——————————————
    he does look a lot thinner

  1092. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Arod says the commissioner hates his guts and that he doesn’t like big salaries. Says it’s about his legacy and he wants to put Arod on his mantle on the way out as a trophy.

  1093. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    “If I gave you 211 games I have conviction.” – Arod on why Selig should be at the hearing.

  1094. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Arod keeps saying he’s way too hot.

    This might be the best afternoon of my life, guys.

  1095. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    “blake – Arod and his people seem to be saying no one will challenge the charges because they can face more suspensions if they testify in arbitration.”

    that’s a pretty flimsy excuse to me…..he’s already facing 211 games

  1096. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Arod ends with Mike by reiterating he’s done nothing wrong in terms of this situation with Anthony Bosch.

  1097. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Shame, some want his head on a pike. It’s like medieval Europe.

  1098. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    “how can he deny use at this point?”

    Because Tacopina told him to.

    His own union looked at the evidence, called it compelling, and said he should serve some suspension. They have copies of the wire where he wired money to Boesch’s lawyer, and testimony of the lawyer and the assistant in the lawyer’s office who received more money and sent it back to Arod.

    If you want to know whether he’s lying, watch his lips.

    If anyone believes his BS at this point, I have automatically disavowed knowledge of that person and communication with anyone who publicly states they believe him, because I have a hard time with stupidity. Take that to the bank.

    In addition, if he were not guilty, he would have said so long ago. He knows he’s sunk, so he has nothing to do but lie at this point.

    **********

    Some people on this forum believed Braun too.

    SMH in utter amazement.

  1099. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    blake – dan pretty much said it, if he was facing what the other guys were facing he probably would have just taken it. Different animal, those suspensions and his.

  1100. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    i disagree. at least the suspension part of this is very close to being over.

    arod’s people will sue and sue and sue and there will be court hearings and such, but the arbitrator will rule probably by christmas, arod will be suspended and that will be the end of it as far as the suspension is concerned.

    after that arod will turn to collecting from either the yankees or some insurance companies and taht will be a bunch of more lawsuits.

    but the suspension part is just about over now.

  1101. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Some people on this forum believed Braun too.

    ————-

    I think that was just blake.

    Sorry blake! :(

  1102. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    “blake – Arod and his people seem to be saying no one will challenge the charges because they can face more suspensions if they testify in arbitration”

    That’s why you don’t testify. Defendants hardly ever do. That’s not a reason to settle. MLB still has to prove their case. And what would a player testify to anyway? “I didn’t take it.” That’s not very convincing. You play this like any other prosecution. Let the government make their case. And then you attack evidence like Arod is doing. It makes no sense why so many players caved. Something else is going on here.

  1103. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    “Blake, that’s part of the point, they didn’t take any deals (except maybe Braun). They all took the maximum penalty. That’s like saying to the DA, “ok, I’ll settle with you and plead to Murder One.”

    they all basically pleaded guilty though…..I mean if this stuff didn’t really happen don’t you think at least somebody else would have stood up and fought it? I mean even braun threw his hands up in the air and gave up…….am I supposed to believe that they just made the Arod part up? That they wanted so badly to get Arod that they fabricated it all about him while is was true about everyone else? no way…..

  1104. pkyankfan69 November 20th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    If it’s proven within a reasonable doubt that Arod was doing more PED’s with the Biogenisis stuff or any other time after the time in Texas that he already admitted he is going to have the most egg possible all over his face after this denial. Arod will make Braun’s denial and then admission look like childs play.

  1105. Patrick November 20th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Haha that interview was so awesome..

  1106. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    “I think that was just blake.

    Sorry blake! :(”

    hey I gave him the benefit of the doubt because it was his first time down this road……it’s not Arod’s …..he’s lied before and I’m a lot smarter now.

  1107. joeman November 20th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    prob one of Mikes best jobs

  1108. mick November 20th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    i KNEW arod would show up on francessa today!
    =================
    That’s why mike wore his fancy vest.

  1109. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    “blake – dan pretty much said it, if he was facing what the other guys were facing he probably would have just taken it. Different animal, those suspensions and his.”

    sure but now he’s saying he did no PEDS…..he’s lying again. I just find it hard to believe that MLB would just make all this up……even if Selig hates Arod why would he just go through all this trouble if it was fabricated?

  1110. mick November 20th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Does anyone here believe Arod?

  1111. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    “I’ll give you the elevator ride answer: think about what I’ve been through. If you think about the other 10 players, with what I’ve been through – do you think anyone else would fight major league baseball? These guys are very powerful, they have unlimited resources and they have no recourse. Think about that: no recourse”

    Yeah, loser. Gio Gonzalez fought it and won. Because he had the truth on his side.

    In addition, several who accepted their punishment came out and admitted they did it.

    Innocent people being accused of something that affects their livelihood and their reputations within their field would fight it to the death, staring with slander suits. The reason none of them did is because they were all guilty. And so is this lying eel.

  1112. bruceb November 20th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    prob one of Mikes best jobs

    Quite a coup, I agree, for Francesa…but it comes with a price. He agrees to swallow everything ARod and his lawyer tell him hook, line and sinker in return for getting an exclusive interview.

    So much for the art of investigative journalism.

    Francesa is just as sleazy as ARod for buying his pack of lies.

  1113. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    To me Arod challenging the length of suspension is justified……he’s gone into “I didn’t do PEDs land” now though and with his history he has to prove that or it’s meaningless.

    Innocent until proven guilty works the first go round……this isn’t his first rodeo down the lie train.

  1114. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    ill give mike credit for doing this time what he should have done every other time he had arod on this year, asking whether he did PED’s.

    of course he’s been criticized for it so many times i guess he realized he had to ask this time or look like a total arod toady.

    that was a pretty good interview.

  1115. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    sure but now he’s saying he did no PEDS…..he’s lying again.

    —————-

    Well.. this was always a damned if you do or damned if you don’t situation.. a few months ago, half the people on this blog were yelling about how the guy wouldn’t say he didn’t do it. Now he says he didn’t do it and he’s obviously lying.

    I just don’t understand what people expected I guess.

    I just want a resolution already..

  1116. joeman November 20th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
    Does anyone here believe Arod?

    ————————————————–
    not me

  1117. mick November 20th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Francesa is just as sleazy as ARod for buying his pack of lies.
    ===================
    he doesn’t believe him.

  1118. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    “Well.. this was always a damned if you do or damned if you don’t situation.. a few months ago, half the people on this blog were yelling about how the guy wouldn’t say he didn’t do it. Now he says he didn’t do it and he’s obviously lying.”

    how about the truth? Say look I did it but the penalty is unfair and thats why we are fighting it.

  1119. Your Name Here November 20th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    A rod news always brings out a 2009 conspiracy comment about the Red Sox….. haven’t seen it today.

  1120. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    “they all basically pleaded guilty though…..I mean if this stuff didn’t really happen don’t you think at least somebody else would have stood up and fought it? I mean even braun threw his hands up in the air and gave up…….am I supposed to believe that they just made the Arod part up? That they wanted so badly to get Arod that they fabricated it all about him while is was true about everyone else? no way…..”

    No that’s what I’m saying. I think all of the evidence should have been challenged. By all of the players because I think the evidence is suspicious for all of them. None of them failed drug tests except Braun. How is that possible?

    I think this was a huge colossal failure by the Player’s Association. Those public statements that they were privately encouraging players to settle is just insane. Unions don’t do that. They may make recommendations privately but that shouldn’t ever become public. That’s like a lawyer telling a reporter I told my client to settle because he has no chance but he insists on going to trial. All this makes me wonder if there wasn’t some side deal here going on.

  1121. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Does anyone here believe Arod?

    —————

    Nope.

    I can’t wait until the evidence leaks…

  1122. mick November 20th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Shame, do you find this all entertaining?

  1123. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    i found the ‘liars and felons’ comment in arod’s statement to be pretty funny.

    im pretty sure none of the witnesses have been convicted of any felonies.

    so arod is exactly the same as all those ‘felons and liars’.

    we know he and his cousin illegally brought prescription steroids into the u.s. (by arod’s admission) which can be a felony. We also know that Galea has been convicted of a felony for bringing illegal steroids into the U.S. and he was a PED client of Galea’s.

    we also know that arod is an admitted liar when it comes to PED’s.

  1124. bruceb November 20th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    ARod has already admitted taking PEDs…so why deny it now?

  1125. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    “Well.. this was always a damned if you do or damned if you don’t situation.. a few months ago, half the people on this blog were yelling about how the guy wouldn’t say he didn’t do it. Now he says he didn’t do it and he’s obviously lying.”

    Because circumstances change and with those changes come other changes. Tacopina’s case is down the tubes and Arod has no choice now but to lie.

    If you choose to believe he’s telling the truth, believe it. Nobody’s stopping you.

  1126. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    why does francessa and so many others always say “baseball can fire the arbitrator” as if that meant he was going to rule in thier favor to avoid being fired.

    mlbpa has the exact same right to fire the arbitrator.

  1127. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    “ARod has already admitted taking PEDs…so why deny it now?”

    Admission is automatic suspension, on top of the other charges involved.

  1128. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    how about the truth? Say look I did it but the penalty is unfair and thats why we are fighting it.

    ——————

    I think if he thought that would give him the 50 games he might have.. but I think no matter what he says they’re taking this as far as they can, so tactically speaking admitting something you’re not sure the other side can really prove is a dumb move.

    The whole thing comes down to the evidence. MLB thinks they’ll win based on what they have. I’m sure they’ll hit him with a hard suspension no matter what the integrity of the evidence looks like, tbh. Being real, if Arod’s case went to a court of law he’d never be found guilty. He’ll still get punished in the arb process and everyone can feel like they won.

  1129. mick November 20th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    arod slipped this in when asked again, for the last time, are you completely innocent:

    yes. since the other time (to paraphrase.)

    now the burden of proof is on mlb…

  1130. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Shame, sorry I didn’t see your earlier post about not believing Arod.

  1131. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    bruceb November 20th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    ARod has already admitted taking PEDs…so why deny it now?

    ——————

    They specified it was in relation to this case lol. That was a funny moment. Mike did bring it up though, basically saying you’ve done this before.

  1132. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    To understand what we are seeing, consider Alex will deny PED use when there are no legal consequences, but will not testify to his innocence in the proceeding since that can carry very negative consequences. It seems pretty obvious we are watching a desperate act of a desperate team.

    Alex, if you didn’t do them, say that under oath and while subject to cross examination by people who have the evidence from the clinic. The issues are: 1) Did he do them 2) did he commit other violations that can subject him to additional punishment and 3) what is the permissible punishment. He has evidence of no. 1. Give it or I will know you are lying for the umpteenth time.

  1133. Warning Track Power November 20th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    I am so proud of ARod. His interview on WFAN makes me want
    to rush out to Yankee Stadium and purchase tickets for multiple games.

    Go get ‘em ARod. Do your thing and don’t let MLB push you around.

  1134. Wave Your Hat November 20th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    ARod can say anything he wants to Francessa, it’s just a radio show.

    Who knows what is actually going on in front of the arbitrator? I still think it is a waste of time to get worked up about any of this. Just wait until the decision is announced, then say what you think of it.

  1135. mick November 20th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    this is getting to be like the OJ trial

    what happens if he gets suspended, they go to federal court ?

    can it be overruled and he plays again?

  1136. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Here’s my two cents: Alex for GM! :)

  1137. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    To understand what we are seeing, consider Alex will deny PED use when there are no legal consequences, but will not testify to his innocence in the proceeding since that can carry very negative consequences. It seems pretty obvious we are watching a desperate act of a desperate team.

    ——————–

    We don’t know if he won’t testify yet I don’t think.. Mike asked him a few times and he kept saying he was ‘too hot’ to decide right now lol.

    Arod said he was hot several times this afternoon. Good times.

  1138. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    RonDL,

    If he is not guilty, he should get on the witness stand, under oath, and say so. This is 60 Minutes all over again. In my world, if you lie, I stop believing you.

  1139. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    “No that’s what I’m saying. I think all of the evidence should have been challenged. By all of the players because I think the evidence is suspicious for all of them”

    But they didn’t…..so either they all agreed to be suspended unfairly or it was true and they were in face guilty

  1140. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Does anyone think there’s a side deal out there that Arod was just never in on?

    Ok, I’m playing Oliver Stone now. Suppose MLB had this PED case. It was far less than perfect. No failed tests. Evidence acquired through questionable means. Lots of sordid characters. It’s a problem for sure, but MLB thinks it needs to make one last strong statement for the good of the sport and for Selig’s legacy. They go to the union. If you get your members to settle quietly, we’ll agree to X, Y and Z during the next round of labor negotiations. Union says, “what about Arod? We don’t think he’ll fall in line.” MLB says, “don’t worry about Arod. Nobody believes him anyway.”

  1141. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Who knows what is actually going on in front of the arbitrator? I still think it is a waste of time to get worked up about any of this. Just wait until the decision is announced, then say what you think of it.

    —————–

    For the most part, yea.

    I think today was just more drama.. but I don’t think it will impact the final ruling. They probably just figure the tide has turned and want to get ahead of the curve before it’s handed down. I hope it’s sooner rather than later. But I highly doubt it.

  1142. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    “this is getting to be like the OJ trial

    what happens if he gets suspended, they go to federal court ?

    can it be overruled and he plays again?”

    Only if there is a gross violation of the process by the arbitrator can they try to get it overruled. Ain’t gonna happen.

  1143. mick November 20th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Here’s my two cents: Alex for GM!
    ==============
    How can anybody take you seriously?

  1144. Wave Your Hat November 20th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Friday he was sick, today he’s too hot. ARod’s not going to testify.

  1145. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Guys if you want the Yankees to be any good next year we need Arod to be suspended ……. I care more about the Yankees than I do about Arod trying to lie his way back into good graces with the public

  1146. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Mike asking why MLB leaked evidence if they thought their case was so air tight. Saying it was/is an important day for baseball and Selig should be in the room and say the same stuff he said in other forums (Leno).

  1147. mick November 20th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    This crap is 3rd rate theater.
    All been done before.
    Alex is a punk “fighting” for his life, giving away all of his money and the attys will glady take it.

  1148. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    MLB needs to show their cards…… Arod is calling

  1149. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    “No that’s what I’m saying. I think all of the evidence should have been challenged. By all of the players because I think the evidence is suspicious for all of them. None of them failed drug tests except Braun. How is that possible?”

    Does truth matter to you? To their credit maybe it mattered to the ones who admitted to use. I sincerely doubt that Cervelli came out and made a statement about using poor judgment if he truly didn’t use. Same with Braun.

  1150. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Guys if you want the Yankees to be any good next year we need Arod to be suspended ……. I care more about the Yankees than I do about Arod trying to lie his way back into good graces with the public

    ———————–

    Still only helps them for the year.

    And in that case, it’s only the Yankees standing in the way of themselves, not Arod. They’re two different things. Yeah, I want the money – but I only want it because these guys want to cripple the one advantage we’ve always had.

  1151. mick November 20th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Guys if you want the Yankees to be any good next year we need Arod to be suspended ……. I care more about the Yankees than I do about Arod trying to lie his way back into good graces with the public
    ===========
    Word.
    He’s a royal phony.

    But it would be nice if we can see the evidence.

  1152. blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    “And in that case, it’s only the Yankees standing in the way of themselves, not Arod. ”

    Be that as it may…..it’s still the reality of the situation

  1153. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    i didagree with whoever said this increases arod’s chances in civil court.

    not participating in a collectively bargained arbitration process doesn not in any way help your case.

    its a huge uphill battle to get the court to intervene in a process that was agreed to in this manner.

    then saying i’m not interviewing (as required) and that i’m not going to even participate makes it much much more likely that the court will have nothing to do with it imo.

  1154. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    If it was up to me, Alex would have his settlement and I’d pay him for the next 3 seasons to stay home.

  1155. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    “Mike asking why MLB leaked evidence if they thought their case was so air tight. Saying it was/is an important day for baseball and Selig should be in the room and say the same stuff he said in other forums (Leno).”

    Mike doesn’t run MLB. He only runs his mouth. He knows MLB leaked evidence, how?

  1156. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Shame,

    If he thinks he might lose and didn’t do the PEDs, why wouldn’t he testify? I think this is his semi-justification for not doing so.

    It is interesting he says he has no chance. Why not? All of a sudden, the evidence looked bad? The agreed upon arbitrator is not impartial?

    For one who lives in the world of b.s., this smells like it to me.

  1157. mick November 20th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    This case is about the extra games over 50 that he was suspended.
    If it were 50 he would have taken it.

  1158. sunny615 November 20th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    where the heck is Chad?

  1159. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    “And in that case, it’s only the Yankees standing in the way of themselves, not Arod. ”

    Be that as it may…..it’s still the reality of the situation

    —————

    I’m honestly afraid the Yanks would use a one year suspension as a crutch to throw another year of expensive garbage together.

  1160. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Nothing’s made sense here. The settlements, the statements by the union, the statements by Selig, the statements by Manfred, the unchallenged problematic evidence, the lack of failed drug tests, the questionable investigative tactics. . . .

    Stone must be working on the screenplay as we speak. “Game of Lies”

  1161. mick November 20th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Stone must be working on the screenplay as we speak. “Game of Lies”
    ==============
    Would Pete Rose or Barry Bonds play Arod?

  1162. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Maybe he’ll just be suspended forever and it’ll never be a problem…. but I just don’t see it.

  1163. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
    ‘Stone must be working on the screenplay as we speak. “Game of Lies”
    ==============
    Would Pete Rose or Barry Bonds play Arod?’

    I’ve seen Pete in Vegas a few times. He’s one ugly dude. I’d go with Bradley Cooper.

  1164. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    “If it was up to me, Alex would have his settlement and I’d pay him for the next 3 seasons to stay home.”

    I only wish.

    *********

    Stay tuned for more drama. Listening to anything that comes out of Arod’s mouth makes me want to puke on a spinning table. Then it would be called As the Hurled Turns. :)

    I really had to reach for that one!

    Later.

  1165. blake November 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    If Arod was innocent then why won’t the players association back him? I mean MLB is one thing but the union won’t even stand up for him …..that tells me a lot

  1166. Wave Your Hat November 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    I still think this is all theater, and at the end of the day the suspension will be reduced to between 50 and 100 games.

  1167. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    mac – I don’t doubt it is. This has always been a sh*t vs. diarrhea situation. I don’t have stomach to choose lol.

    I’m more mad about the Yankees. To me, the whole thing just ends up coming back to them. They have this walking circus at 3B, who is basically the equivalent of ghost man from the playground, and the INF isn’t even a priority… smh.

  1168. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    sunny615 November 20th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    where the heck is Chad?
    ///

    He is on vacation.

  1169. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    I hate to say it, but Arod’s innocence has always been irrelevant in this case. It really has. The rules are in place. They are clearly outlined in terms of punishment(s) per offense. It’s a matter of the arbitrator and how he interprets the rules.

  1170. bruceb November 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Guys if you want the Yankees to be any good next year we need Arod to be suspended ……. I care more about the Yankees than I do about Arod trying to lie his way back into good graces with the public.

    This statement, to me, sums up my feelings as a Yankees fan.

    The longer this drags on, the more it hampers the chances of the Yanks putting a Championship-caliber team on the field next year.

    It’s just my opinion but I think ARod is not only a liar but a fool. Think of the millions of dollars he is pouring down the drain pursuing this charade.

  1171. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Chad always goes on vacation when a lot of fun stuff happens. Never fails.

  1172. luis November 20th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    Besides Arod… Is there anything else new worthy of talking about it?

  1173. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Maybe we should get back to the more important denial here: Did Arod get a woman’s phone number during a game without it being documented on any MLB or personal cameras?!

  1174. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    luis – fem posted some good 40-man stuff a couple of hours ago.

  1175. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Hi luis, the prelude to the rule 5 draft. We have to add a bunch of players by midnight tonight, including Sanchez, Heathcott, Mitchell, Greene, Campos plus Kahnle, Burawa, Whitley are also rule 5 eligible if not added…

  1176. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    “Arod started doing the show (with me) because he watched it. He knew it when we were on radio.” – Mike

    Hehehehehehe.

  1177. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    lol, Shame. Good timing.

  1178. luis November 20th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Unless they blow up the cap, the Yankees aren’t fielding a CCT. And even then, I have my doubts that it wouild be that “good”.

    They have no core to build around

  1179. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Luis, the million dollar question in view of today’s necessary 40 man reshuffling is… will Joe allow Cash to drop Nixy from the 40-man now that Ryan is in the fold?

  1180. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    “If Arod was innocent then why won’t the players association back him? I mean MLB is one thing but the union won’t even stand up for him …..that tells me a lot”

    Personal animus, extreme incompetence, envy, greed, side deal. Take your pick. History is full of all that stuff. “In Game of Lies you will be shown that the world is often not what it seems. You’ll see the ultimate American hero, challenged to the depths of his soul; a distinguished industry leader now looking to exit the world stage on his own terms with his legacy in tact; and finally the woman, who stands by her man even when the whole world has turned against him”

    This movie is not yet rated.

  1181. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Shame what is the prescribed number of games for obstructing an investigation?

  1182. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    The focus could, alternatively, be on how inept the Yankees have been and that FO and ownership fumbles over the last three seasons have helped set up Boston to waltz to its third World Series in 10 seasons.

    Alex taking one for the team :)

  1183. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Alex could actually contribute more than the prospective guys the Yanks will end up adding… For example, Ibanez is a must have after the “mistake” of not re-signing him last year or so sayeth the Yanks… I can’t wait to see who else we might add with the extra money…

  1184. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    They have no core to build around
    ///

    primo!

    aye, there’s the rub. :D

  1185. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Yanks61,

    That was an excellent summary. I agree with it all.

    The Yankees are going to have money to spend.

  1186. Against All Odds November 20th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
    “Arod started doing the show (with me) because he watched it. He knew it when we were on radio.” – Mike

    Hehehehehehe.

    —————

    Mike was damn near tongue kissing A-rod during that interview.

  1187. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Alex could actually contribute more than the prospective guys the Yanks will end up adding…
    ///

    That’s really sadly true… that’s how little the needle has moved.

    How is it possible the same people are making the decisions? That’s what ought to be investigated.

  1188. luis November 20th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    How many spots do we have? It looks like more than one player will be exposed.

    Heathcott, Sanchez are no doubters… Kahnle, Mitchell too… Perhaps Campos could be left unprotected a la Nova?

  1189. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    “If Arod was innocent then why won’t the players association back him? I mean MLB is one thing but the union won’t even stand up for him …..that tells me a lot”

    It tells you that the union feels it has some kind of reputation it wants to uphold and looking at the evidence, as austin said, they felt they had the right not to look stupid in this whole thing. Only those who want Arod to prevail, despite the obvious evidence, continue to look at things that don’t make sense in reality and keep trying to sell it.

  1190. ron November 20th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    People do not like entities that answer to nobody,and become too powerfull.
    When mlb is paying criminals,cash,in a bar,under the table,in a paper bag,something is wrong.
    It becomes arod might be guilty of something,but mlb is as guilty,or guiltier.

    Now arod might be saying he did nothing wrong based on the evidence,and shady practices by mlb,but mlb has to prove that arod did what they say he did.
    Arod might be thinking that the right choice is to deny it,based on past players glory,after they have denied it like Ortiz,and the fact that arod already admitted to using steroids,after denying it.
    Arod is smarter than he gets credit for.

    Mlb will wan’t this to go away in fear of state,federal courts stepping in,and political pressure.
    I am convinced this ends up taken away from mlb.
    This is not a normal case.

  1191. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Later y’all.

  1192. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Shame,

    At the end of the day I agree with Blake. I want what is best for my team, and that is a long suspension. I cannot, under any circumstances, feel sorry for Alex anymore. Today tells me the arbitration is not going well for Alex’ side. Good.

  1193. luis November 20th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Primo,

    They fired the conditioning coach! ;) that’s the extent of their soul searching.

    I agree they should investigate why there hasn’t been more changes on that FO.. Perhaps they have certain photos of Hal? ;)

    Fem…. Hahaha! Nah! Nixie is a keeper, they drop Nunez over him ;)

  1194. joeman November 20th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Ibanez isn’t coming back here he’s 42 freaking years old

  1195. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    luis November 20th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Primo,

    They fired the conditioning coach! ;) that’s the extent of their soul searching.
    ///

    :D Ahh, how could I forget that bold statement. We’re ready to go to war.

  1196. mick November 20th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    “Arod started doing the show (with me) because he watched it. He knew it when we were on radio.” – Mike
    =============
    “Thats why Arod is savvy” Mike

  1197. Wave Your Hat November 20th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    I don’t feel sorry for ARod, but I do want him to be treated fairly. I’m just not sure what that would be. If it turns out to hurt the Yanks chances I don’t feel sorry for them either, since no one forced them to do that deal with ARod.

    But I don’t think the Yanks will be that good next year either way, so maybe that factors into my thinking somewhere.

  1198. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Shame,

    At the end of the day I agree with Blake. I want what is best for my team, and that is a long suspension. I cannot, under any circumstances, feel sorry for Alex anymore. Today tells me the arbitration is not going well for Alex’ side. Good.

    —————–

    I just don’t feel like I need to reconcile the two thoughts, I guess.

    To me, what’s best for the team is irrespective of whatever happens with Arod. They are making a decision to possibly be handcuffed by a deal they signed. That they have a potential way out of some of those dollars in a windfall for them and one that – if and when it comes to pass – I hope they actually utilize efficiently.

    But I don’t feel like an Arod suspension makes this team a contender.. I don’t feel that an Arod suspension makes this team any better equipped to handle the next few seasons of high payroll dollars on the books.. I don’t feel that and Arod suspension would result in a set strategy in place that’s aimed at long term goals.

  1199. blake November 20th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Yankee fans need to understand that in siding with Arod in this you could be indirectly siding with the Yankees losing in 2014 and beyond……ask yourself if you feel badly enough for serial cheater and lier Arod to do that? I understand taking a moral stand on some things…..this isn’t one of those things for me

  1200. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    joeman, guess again. The rumor was that Yanks thought not re-signing Ibanez was a mistake, and they are interested in signing him…

  1201. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Let’s hit the finer (and far more interesting) points of today, though:

    1) Arod wanted to have brunch with Selig.
    2) Arod turned down offers to appear on Leno, Letterman, etc.
    3) Arod has daughters.

  1202. joeman November 20th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
    joeman, guess again. The rumor was that Yanks thought not re-signing Ibanez was a mistake, and they are interested in signing him…

    ——————————————
    trust me it won’t happen

  1203. mick November 20th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    joeman, guess again. The rumor was that Yanks thought not re-signing Ibanez was a mistake, and they are interested in signing him…

    ——————————————
    trust me it won’t happen
    ===================
    Yes but it’s a rumor so it might.

  1204. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Just saw part of the interview with Francesa on RAB. Pretty amazing to get an interview like that so soon after the event.

    Not sure I understand the logical connection between Selig not testifying and now Arod saying he won’t testify on Friday. It seems like Selig’s testimony is probative not as to whether Arod used PEDs but as to the length of the suspension. If Arod is now insisting he didn’t use, he’ll need to bolster that position with his own testimony. If he succeeds on that point, then the length of the suspension, and Selig’s testimony, becomes moot.

    I think Arod said he’s going back to discuss strategy with his lawyers tonight so he might decide to testify after all. I think it’s a bad idea overall but that’s just the defense lawyer in me.

  1205. luis November 20th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    42 is right on their age bracket… But I would love them to say that not going after Darvish, Cespedes, Puig and Soler was an even bigger mistake

  1206. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    hey luis!

    i disagree about your point that the yankees have no core to build a contender around.

    what core did the RS come in with this year besided pedroia? (lester coming off 2 down years bucholz still an ambulance case) then all of a sudden they had a core and won the WS.

    what was the SF Giants core they built around?

    there is just as good a chance that cc, tex and cano can lead a team to the WS as the RS had coming into 2013. sure a ton of stuff has to go right for that to happen, but that’s exactly what happened with the Red Socks this year.

  1207. joeman November 20th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    mick November 20th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    joeman, guess again. The rumor was that Yanks thought not re-signing Ibanez was a mistake, and they are interested in signing him…

    ——————————————
    trust me it won’t happen
    ===================
    Yes but it’s a rumor so it might.

    —————————————-
    come on the NYY have been linked to almost every FA out there

  1208. mick November 20th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    arod was thinking selig would have a heart attack or at least be so intimidated by the great man that he would choke on the stand

    he didn’t sign the baseball with his phone # to that chick….right.

  1209. bigdan22 November 20th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
    “Yankee fans need to understand that in siding with Arod in this you could be indirectly siding with the Yankees losing in 2014 and beyond……ask yourself if you feel badly enough for serial cheater and lier Arod to do that? I understand taking a moral stand on some things…..this isn’t one of those things for me”

    I’m pretty sure who I side with is going to have little impact on Arod or the fortunes of the 2014 NY Yankees but in this universe of quantum realities who really knows?

  1210. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Yankee fans need to understand that in siding with Arod in this you could be indirectly siding with the Yankees losing in 2014 and beyond……ask yourself if you feel badly enough for serial cheater and lier Arod to do that? I understand taking a moral stand on some things…..this isn’t one of those things for me

    —————-

    I just don’t believe in any moral stands on this. This is frivolous.. this isn’t about morality. This is about two warring factions putting on a show.

    Does everyone need to pick one side or the other? Our opinions mean nothing.. if they did, Arod’s suspension wouldn’t matter a lick because the Yankees wouldn’t let some joker stand in the way of themselves and fielding a proper team.

    Everyone can get mad at Arod, but when you’re sitting looking at this club in 2015 and we still don’t have a 3B you can’t blame him. So fine, I’ll be mad at Arod. I’ll hope he’s banned forever on sketchy evidence. Where does that get me? Does it get me a better team? I don’t see the connection. I don’t think it gets me a better team.

  1211. joeman November 20th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Ortiz,Ellsbury Pedroia,Lester at this stage were better than any 4 players the NYY can toss out there..

  1212. blake November 20th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    “I’m pretty sure who I side with is going to have little impact on Arod or the fortunes of the 2014 NY Yankees but in this universe of quantum realities who really knows?”

    Figuratively is what I meant

  1213. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    If I thought Arod getting banned forever would give me an awesome Yankees team through 2017 I’d be on board. And I mean that 100%.

    Arod will get suspended this year and Michael Young will be our starting 3B..

  1214. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    joeman: “The Post has also learned the Yankees have an interest in bringing back the popular and productive Raul Ibanez to be the DH against right-handed pitching. Some voices within the organization believe it was a mistake to let Ibanez leave following the 2012 season, when Ibanez grew impatient waiting and signed for a second stint with the Mariners.”

    http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/a.....z-reunion/

  1215. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    joeman: “The Post has also learned the Yankees have an interest in bringing back the popular and productive Raul Ibanez to be the DH against right-handed pitching.

    ——————

    Perfect timing, thank you fem!!

    The Yankees need to show me something. I feel like they jaded me.

  1216. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Shame, have heart, maybe they’ll sign Youk again. Because you know this time he says he is healthy…

  1217. joeman November 20th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
    joeman: “The Post has also learned the Yankees have an interest in bringing back the popular and productive Raul Ibanez to be the DH against right-handed pitching. Some voices within the organization believe it was a mistake to let Ibanez leave following the 2012 season, when Ibanez grew impatient waiting and signed for a second stint with the Mariners
    ———————————————–
    like I said they have been linked to every FA out there….

  1218. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Shame, have heart, maybe they’ll sign Youk again. Because you know this time he says he is healthy…

    ————–

    Ya’ know I was thinking Wells is free and they got him some work at 3B last year lol.. just wait until he somehow sticks on our roster.

  1219. luis November 20th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Hey Y’s!

    Well… They had Pedroia, Lester, Elsbury, Buckhols, Middlebrooks and now this new kid that I keep forgetting his name ( the reason why they traded Iglesias )… Sure,every move they made turn out the right way and on that regard theuy got lucky.. But they do have a relatively young core to buld around.

    Our core is Jeter and Nova. Maybe Cano… This shouldn’t have happened.

    To have sustainable success you need a young and productive core to build around. Otherwise, the amount of luck you need is inmense

  1220. blake November 20th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Shame,

    Team greedy wants that 33.5 million

  1221. joeman November 20th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Beltran,Nathan,McCann,Peralta,Drew,Lopez. list goes on and on

  1222. joeman November 20th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    80% of the people were happy about the ( stiff) Youkilis signing they even started calling him youk just like the RS fans did…

  1223. blake November 20th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    lol Kay just said they sent Arod to Francesa because he’d get softballs there and went Tacopina to his show to battle ……he might be right but Kay is so full of himself

  1224. Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    totally agree with you on the need for a long-term core, but not having one at the moment, they can only try to make what they have compete for a championship. it aint gonna be easy but its still doable.

  1225. joeman November 20th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    geez I wonder where ARod got that 12 mil 1 year numbers from

  1226. Against All Odds November 20th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
    lol Kay just said they sent Arod to Francesa because he’d get softballs there and went Tacopina to his show to battle ……he might be right but Kay is so full of himself

    ——————

    Kay is very obsessed with Francesca’s show because he loses in the ratings.

  1227. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    blake – Team Greedy would pay him to leave. It’s all that stopping this whole thing from ending.

    Regardless of whatever my feeling are towards Arod there is too much between player and team to ever have this relationship work and have a winning club. Team Greedy has some pride.. you can’t let a guy that’s accused you of all sorts of shady sh*t on your team and if money is all it takes to get rid of him all the better. This whole thing is easy if Team Greedy is in charge.

    But we’re not.

    Eventually, Arod goes away.

    Ownership will not.

    I want to be so wrong about them.

  1228. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    I want my old team and Yankee sense of pride back. This whole Alex process, the poor team construction/ dumpster diving ad nauseum, the lack of prospect development, Hal’s misconception of how being stingy would save him money, Cash’s overrating of the offense, lack of vision and restrictive run-saving didactism, Levine’s uber-presence, the ugly Yankee infighting, the RS winning the WS, etc. has really made it a rough ride. It is almost as if the Yankees intentionally sabotaged themselves by making so many wrong moves. It is hard to fathom how they could have done a worse job at so many things. It just makes me sad…

    But hey, at least Trenton has a new hitting coach, supposedly… Marcus Thames, come on down! (as per Norris tweet)…

  1229. Shame Spencer November 20th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    People paint Team Greedy in a bad light but a part of being a member of Team Greedy is crushing anyone not worth as much as you are.

    A billionaire getting publicly called out by a millionaire is unbecoming.

    If I were Hal, I’d slap someone with a white glove and order a buyout.

  1230. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    “Ys Guy November 20th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
    totally agree with you on the need for a long-term core, but not having one at the moment, they can only try to make what they have compete for a championship. it aint gonna be easy but its still doable.”

    Band aids aren’t worth the attention or the draft picks. They have holes everywhere. Like I said, you could not have constructed a worse team, more needs at multiple positions if you had tried.

  1231. Pat M. November 20th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    A-Rod goes Al Pacino ” Justice for All ” !!!! Cano is not the best 2nd baseman in history, not even in the top 5 . He’s 31 lets see how he plays in 5 years. Tricia, eat something ( I always go with pudding or yoguart when taking Naporxin ( anti-infalmatory ) and Flexeril ( anti spams ) will make you very sleepy in an hour or so after ingesting. As for pain meds , I have great respect for Vicodens and Percocets as I’ve been taking them for 20 years. I do drink 2 gallons of water a day and have my liver tested monthly. 8 oz glass of warm lemon juice gets things clean.

  1232. austinmac November 20th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    Yankeefeminsta,

    Well said. They were a lot more fun.

    I’m jealous you have the Trenton games. I am springing for a laptop by next season since milb doesn’t work on an iPad. At least the minor leagues give the sense of hope and future.

  1233. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Tacopina is a total parasite!!!!

    :lol:

    Arod is getting WORKED

  1234. Giuseppe Franco November 20th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    joeman November 20th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    80% of the people were happy about the ( stiff) Youkilis signing they even started calling him youk just like the RS fans did…

    —–

    Do you really believe that?

    I’m guessing if you go back and read LoHud the day Youkilis was signed you will find that far more than 20% of the board thought it was a stupid move.

  1235. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    austinmac, yes, I have Trenton, and hope springs eternal there… but I have always considered the ballpark(s) in the Bronx my home… Sigh.

    Antiquarian milb needs to get on the stick, and get their games onto iPads and iPhones! But happy for you that you’ll get to watch austin. SI home games are also on milb-tv…

  1236. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    joeman, I was not a fan of Youk signing from the get-go. So, if you are referring to me, you are incorrect.

  1237. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    I understand that Chad is on vacation, but is Lohud so low budget that they have no one covering the blog…

  1238. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Yankee fans need to understand that in siding with Arod in this you could be indirectly siding with the Yankees losing in 2014 and beyond……ask yourself if you feel badly enough for serial cheater and lier Arod to do that? I understand taking a moral stand on some things…..this isn’t one of those things for me

    ______

    Deep down inside, they might not have fully accepted that the 33.5 M or whatever is better spent, still clinging to the MVP Arod, in permanent denial about the broken down junkie.

  1239. Giuseppe Franco November 20th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    I recall most of the common sense folks screaming in pain with that Youkilis signing.

  1240. Giuseppe Franco November 20th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    blake November 20th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Yankee fans need to understand that in siding with Arod in this you could be indirectly siding with the Yankees losing in 2014 and beyond……ask yourself if you feel badly enough for serial cheater and lier Arod to do that? I understand taking a moral stand on some things…..this isn’t one of those things for me

    ——

    I have already accepted this team isn’t going to be very good in 2014 no matter what happens with the A-Rod situation.

    They have too many holes and a bad GM in place for A-Rod’s salary in 2014 to make such a significant difference.

  1241. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Pretty sure even the worst GM in the league could do something productive with that 33.5 M or whatever. Without out that money, the possibility of doing something productive completely disappears.

    And we don’t want that.

    Nobody wants that.

  1242. MTU November 20th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    “I understand that Chad is on vacation, but is Lohud so low budget that they have no one covering the blog…”

    Leaving it completely unmanned.

    Very poor form.

    ;)

  1243. UnKnown November 20th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!

    MAMA THERE GOES THAT MAN AGAIN!!!!

    ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Love! That! Guy!

    AL has more of a spine than all of you gutless wimps put together and that’s why people are jealous of him. AL takes on anyone and everyone in the name of justice!!! Deal With It!!!!

    :grin: :grin: :grin:

  1244. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Eh, would rather have Choo and McCann.

  1245. Giuseppe Franco November 20th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Pretty sure even the worst GM in the league could do something productive with that 33.5 M or whatever.

    —–

    Yeah, the tens of millions Cashman allocated for the predictably stupid acquisitions of Youkilis, Ichiro, and Wells last winter/spring was money well spent, chief.

    If I recall, you actually liked the Ichiro signing.

  1246. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Everyone else keeps adding players to 40 man; when are we submitting our list?

  1247. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Nobody wants that 33.5 tied up in a junkie crip.

    Nobody.

  1248. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    We want that 33.5 M for some far superior players.

  1249. Giuseppe Franco November 20th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    The problem is that the Yanks have a lot of holes on this team and they don’t have the right baseball people in the front office making decisions on where that money should be spent.

    $30M+ doesn’t help them much if they decide to flush it down the toilet like they did last offseason.

  1250. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    33.5 M invested in a crippled junkie is the epitome of wasted money.

  1251. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    I want my old team and Yankee sense of pride back. This whole Alex process, the poor team construction/ dumpster diving ad nauseum, the lack of prospect development, Hal’s misconception of how being stingy would save him money, Cash’s overrating of the offense, lack of vision and restrictive run-saving didactism, Levine’s uber-presence, the ugly Yankee infighting, the RS winning the WS, etc. has really made it a rough ride. It is almost as if the Yankees intentionally sabotaged themselves by making so many wrong moves. It is hard to fathom how they could have done a worse job at so many things. It just makes me sad…

    But hey, at least Trenton has a new hitting coach, supposedly… Marcus Thames, come on down! (as per Norris tweet)…
    ///

    I concur. Well said. Makes me sad/mad.

    Didn’t know about Thames. Thanks.

  1252. Giuseppe Franco November 20th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    A-Rod isn’t getting suspended for an entire season anyway so people should wait to see what happens before you start deciding where that extra $33.5M should be spent.

  1253. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Nobody wants less financial flexibility for a front office that needs more than all the margin of error it can get.

    Nobody.

  1254. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    UnKnown November 20th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!

    MAMA THERE GOES THAT MAN AGAIN!!!!

    ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Love! That! Guy!

    AL has more of a spine than all of you gutless wimps put together and that’s why people are jealous of him. AL takes on anyone and everyone in the name of justice!!! Deal With It!!!!

    :grin: :grin: :grin:
    ///

    Heya! :D :D :D

    How’s “RBI” and life? Any “offseason” stuff you do for them? Great that you work with them.

    Good to see you, Unknown.

  1255. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    In laymen’s terms, what everybody wants is, we want the blind squirrel (Cashman) the chance to find a nut. And so without the acorn tree, even that can’t happen. We all want the plush, more bountiful acorn tree (33.5).

  1256. mick November 20th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    OTOH blake, Team Arod feel there is no evidence against them, only the disreputable Boesch.
    He’s liable to get just 50 games.
    He’s liable to walk like OJ and be there Opening Day.
    Would you take him back?

  1257. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    It would be nice if we had a squirrel with keen vision, but that’s not going to happen.

  1258. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 20th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    The problem is that the Yanks have a lot of holes on this team and they don’t have the right baseball people in the front office making decisions on where that money should be spent.
    ///

    This is an issue. Cashman-Eppler does not inspire confidence. At least, not mine. If they can sign “big-ticket” types, obviously it’s harder to screw those up. But if they get “creative”, well, beware.

  1259. mick November 20th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Yeah let’s sign big ticket backups at 1B and SS b/c they might get hurt again.
    Who else might get hurt?
    Make sure we have backups at each position.

  1260. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    MTU November 20th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    “I understand that Chad is on vacation, but is Lohud so low budget that they have no one covering the blog…”

    Leaving it completely unmanned.

    Very poor form.

    ;)
    ///

    Hey, MTU.

    As I understand it, there have been layoffs at Chad’s paper in the recent past. The reality of newspapers is downsizing, and over the years, news departments have shrunk, even at big papers.

    I’m sure Lohud would not even consider appointing a paid mod or babysitter for Chad’s absences. And of course, as I’m sure any reasonable person would agree, Chad has a right to a vacation :)

  1261. charlestonchew November 20th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    What’s the mood of LoHud regarding signing Brian McCann? I get the feeling that he could be a colossal disaster of a signing. Not only are his numbers not *that* great, the guy is clearly overweight and–if he’s like other catchers–should be entering a steep decline over the next few years. Not everyone is Jorge Posada.

    I’m wary of McCann for the money and for blocking the catcher position. I’m also quite wary of Carlos Beltran, especially given his age and likely contract demands. I wonder if he’s really the best option when we already have an outfield that’s essentially full. I see much more value in Curtis Granderson returning than having Beltran out there at his age.

    To me, this is about thinking long-term. Curtis Granderson could provide the offense that McCann would, plus some, and cost probably less per year for fewer total years. Not to mention that outfielders tend to age a bit better than your average catcher. If there were ever a time to sign Curtis Granderson at something of a bargain, that time would be now. I’d much rather give Granderson 3 or 4 years than give Beltran 3, especially if the AAV is relatively comparable.

    I’m also not at all interested in having Joe Nathan on this team. I think the closer role belongs to David Robertson and giving an aging closer a multi-year deal at this point just seems like we’re asking for trouble. We dodged a bullet when Soriano opted out of his deal, but I fear that Joe Nathan’s durability is in question.

    To me, if we sign Cano, Tanaka, one more starter with potential (maybe Kuroda), Granderson, and an infielder with pop like Jhonny Peralta or Stephen Drew, we’re in great shape next season. We should not be opening the wallet for guys like McCann who are extremely unlikely to earn their contracts. There are other ways to bridge to JR Murphy and Sanchez.

    Cano will be 8yrs, 190mil or so. Granderson can probably be gotten for 3/45. Peralta, probably 3/45. And Drew likely the same. Obviously, this scenario assumes an ARod suspension, but I think it ultimately represents the safest course with the youngest and most durable players.

    Whatever they do, I hope they don’t trade Gardner for a pitcher and sign Ellsbury. That would be worse than McCann times 2.

  1262. MTU November 20th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    JAP-

    He was always able to get those babysitters, as you call them, during the regular season.

    Heyman, Mercoliano, and Thompson.

    You mean they all got canned ?

    I actually like Vince a lot. Good sub.

    No problem w the vacation just the way it was not handled.

    ;)

  1263. MTU November 20th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    And just as I register my complaint.

    New one ———>

    :)

  1264. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Still waiting on our 40 man additions. But here are some other adds from milb:

    “Perhaps the biggest name added to a 40-man roster was top Cardinals prospect Oscar Taveras. The 21-year-old outfielder, who ranks as the No. 2 overall prospect, was expected to join the Major League club at some point during the 2013 season but was limited due to an ankle injury that eventually required surgery. He is expected to be ready for Spring Training, where he will compete for a starting job in the St. Louis outfield.

    MLB.com’s No. 13 overall and No. 2 Pirates prospect Gregory Polanco also earned a spot on the Pirates’ 40-man roster after a breakout season across the top three levels of the Minors. The 22-year-old outfielder owned a .285/.356/.434 slash line with 12 homers, 30 doubles, 71 RBIs and 38 steals across those three levels while developing into an exciting five-tool player.

    Other Top 100 prospects added to 40-man rosters were the Pirates’ Alen Hanson (39), the Rangers’ Luis Sardinas (70), and Red Sox prospects Anthony Ranaudo (79) and Garin Cecchini (82).

    Here’s a breakdown of prospects who are ranked in the Top 10 in their respective organizations and were added to 40-man rosters Wednesday: …” etc.

    http://www.milb.com/news/artic.....d=tw_share

    Hey MTU, how is the little one doing?

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