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Six players added to Yankees 40-man roster

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 21, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last night, the Yankees added five minor leaguers to the 40-man roster (including two of their top prospects), made a very minor trade (and added the new guy to the 40-man), and also outrighted Corban Joseph to Triple-A (taking him off the 40-man, but keeping him in the system). Here’s the announcement from the team.

Bryan MitchellEarlier today, the Yankees acquired INF Dean Anna from the San Diego Padres in exchange for RHP Ben Paullus and added him to the Major League roster. RHP Jose Campos, RHP Shane Greene, OF Slade Heathcott, RHP Bryan Mitchell and C Gary Sanchez were also added to the Major League roster.

Anna, 26, spent the 2013 season with Triple-A Tucson, where he hit .331 (165-for-498) with 90R, 38 doubles, 9HR and 73RBI in 132 games and saw time at second base, shortstop, third base and in left field. The left-handed batter was originally selected by the Padres in the 26th round of the 2008 First-Year Player Draft.

Campos, 21, went 4-2 with two saves and a 3.41 ERA (87.0IP, 33ER) in 26 games (19 starts) with Single-A Charleston in 2013. He was acquired by the Yankees from the Seattle Mariners along with RHP Michael Pineda on 1/23/12 in exchange for C/DH Jesus Montero and RHP Hector Noesi.

Greene, 25, combined to go 12-10 with a 3.38 ERA (154.1IP, 58ER) in 27 games (26 starts) with Single-A Tampa and Double-A Trenton in 2013. He was originally selected by the Yankees in the 15th round of the 2009 First-Year Player Draft.

Heathcott, 23, batted .261 (104-for-399) with 59R, 22 doubles, 8HR and 49RBI in 103 games with Double-A Trenton in 2013. He was originally selected by the Yankees in the first round (29th overall) of the 2009 First-Year Player Draft.

Mitchell, 22, combined to go 4-11 with a 4.71 ERA (145.1IP, 76ER) in 27 games (26 starts) with Single-A Tampa and Double-A Trenton in 2013. He was originally selected by the Yankees in the 16th round of the 2009 First-Year Player Draft.

Sanchez, 20, combined to bat .253 (115-for-454) with 50R, 27 doubles, 15HR and 71RBI in 117 games with Single-A Tampa and Double-A Trenton in 2013. He was originally signed by the Yankees as a non-drafted free agent on 7/2/09.

Additionally, INF Corban Joseph was outrighted to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

The Yankees roster now stands at 39.

Associated Press photo of Mitchell

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967 Responses to “Six players added to Yankees 40-man roster”

  1. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 9:00 am

    The Rangers are valued by Forbes @ 764M

    2014 payroll obligations per Cots:

    https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tnXR4qeDSfeXu_Y-nA8ZPWA&output=html

    They can afford pretty much anyone to fill their needs.

    ———————–

    Rangers also don’t have a ton of money on the books even with the Fielder and Andrus deals. I think in two years they’ll have a payroll of like $60-70 million in terms of contracts on the books.

  2. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 9:13 am

    A number of pro basketball players have had microfracture surgery. John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Kenyon Martin, Zach Randolph, Steve Yzerman were able to return to near pre surgery form.
    Others, such as Allan Houston, Chris Webber, Penny Hardaway, Ron Harper, Jamal Mashburn, and Terrell Brandon never recovered.

    In 2005 Amare Stoudemire had the surgery and by 2006-2007 season he made the All-Star team.

    More physical pressure on the knees playing basketball. Hopefully Sizemore will make it back, and be a Yankee terrific signing.

  3. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Welcome back !

  4. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Trader,
    A little better I think…..antibiotics starting to kick in hopefully. Thanks for asking .

    I wonder which AAAA star we will aquire next

  5. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Cashman should have offered to send Tex back to Texas for Kinsler……he’s cheaper at least

  6. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 9:15 am

    The last time Sizemore was consistently healthy was 5-6 years ago… I thought maybe it was worth taking a flyer out on him a couple years ago but he’ll never stay healthy.

  7. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 9:16 am

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Cashman should have offered to send Tex back to Texas for Kinsler……he’s cheaper at least

    ——————

    This thought was eating at me all of last night lol… there has to be a match for Tex.

    I like my NY 1B swap idea where the Mets get some pop and star power with Tex and we get a bit of a reclamation project with Ike Davis who desperately needs to get out of Queens and that ballpark.

  8. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:18 am

    If you’re Texas would you have rather had Tex? Fielder is a better hitter and more likely to bounce back but he’s also a much worse defender and is owed a lot more money

  9. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Dean Anna-

    in 1339 plate appeaances between AA and AAA average 12.5% walks and 11.9% strikeouts. Good bat control, little power.

    Mostly played 2nd and SS.

    Will David Adams be trade bait?

  10. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 9:23 am

    In terms of the right now if I’m Texas I’d rather have Prince but you’re right the deal is a monster… that being said, the Rangers don’t have much committed payroll. This year they’re in the $100 million area in committed money, next year it drops off and the year after they have like $60-70 million in committed money.

    They have a lot more flexibility than I realized….

  11. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Apparently the Dbacks are willing to trading Gregorius..

  12. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Shame-

    Teixeira is from Baltimore, but has a full NTC. Maybe he would waive it to stay in NY with the Mets, or go to the Orioles.

    It will be interesting to see if his power stroke has returned from the left side after the tendon sheath repair on his right wrist, done last July 2nd. If he doesn’t regain power from that side, he’s essentially going to be a groundball out into the shift, or a pop up out. Will He be 100%?

  13. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:28 am

    If Texas can trade Profar for Price I think they’ll go in hard after Cano…..they have plenty of cap room

  14. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 9:28 am

    There’s no spot for him on the Orioles or the Nats really.

    People make a lot of him being from Baltimore but I think NTCs are just an obstacle, not a road block. If he had the chance to go back to Texas, for example, he might have taken it. The Rangers were on Fielders no-trade list.

  15. AAA November 21st, 2013 at 9:31 am

    It will be interesting to see if his power stroke has returned from the left side after the tendon sheath repair on his right wrist, done last July 2nd. If he doesn’t regain power from that side, he’s essentially going to be a groundball out into the shift, or a pop up out. Will He be 100%?

    =====================================

    Ortiz had basically the same injury/surgery in 2008. His 2009 season was by far his worst as a Red Sox player, but in the 4 years subsequent to that he OPS’d .950

    Might be tough initially, but it’s not a death sentence.

  16. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 9:32 am

    For Austinmac -validates need to make some great additions this offseason:

    From RAB’s this morning-”What went wrong with 2013 Yankees”

    “Attendance across baseball was down slightly this season, an average of 333 fans per game*. That’s 1.08%. The Yankees, on the other hand, saw their average attendance drop 3,245 fans per game from 2012 to 2013, or 7.4%. It would have dropped even more if not for the Mariano Rivera retirement tour boost in September — three of their four highest attended non-Opening Day games were in late September. Attendance has dropped 5,429 fans per game since the first season of the new Stadium back in 2009, or 11.8%. Obviously the team’s attendance has trended downward quite a bit the last three years, especially relative to the league average.”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....ngs-96619/

  17. 86w183 November 21st, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Since the injury was to his RIGHT wrist and he was already struggling mightily from the LEFT side of the plate there’s even more of a reason for Teixeira to consider becoming a full-time RH hitter.

    I doubt Tex would waive his no-trade. Certainly he wouldn’t want to go to the Mets and lose while playing in a huge ballpark that would limit his ability to produce power numbers.

  18. AAA November 21st, 2013 at 9:35 am

    If he had the chance to go back to Texas, for example, he might have taken it.

    ===================================

    He had a chance to sign long term with Texas, and didn’t, which forced his trade to Atlanta. Ended up being a good thing for the Rangers in the end, but not sure that was a happy parting.

  19. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 9:37 am

    AAA-

    David Ortiz had the surgery on his left wrist. I believe Blake and others have brought up the importance of the right wrist, batting from the left side, as generating power.

    Blake, correct me if I’m wrong.

  20. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 9:40 am

    AAA November 21st, 2013 at 9:35 am

    If he had the chance to go back to Texas, for example, he might have taken it.

    ===================================

    He had a chance to sign long term with Texas, and didn’t, which forced his trade to Atlanta. Ended up being a good thing for the Rangers in the end, but not sure that was a happy parting.

    ————–

    The team he played for then is different now though.. it’s moot now. Texas has a 1B and we still have 3 years left of what will be a recovering from big-deal-surgery Tex.

  21. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Might be tough initially, but it’s not a death sentence.”

    Problem is that Tex was already in steep decline prior to the injury

  22. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 9:42 am

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Might be tough initially, but it’s not a death sentence.”

    Problem is that Tex was already in steep decline prior to the injury

    —————-

    Yeah and we need bounce back years from as many positions as possible in 2014…

  23. Cashmoney November 21st, 2013 at 9:43 am

    no one wants NY’s expensive and overpaid 1b with NTC. Tex is morphing into Rob Deer with better ops and D.

    What NY Yankees has in Tex now does not compel any teams to trade for him unless you are paying half of his money that is due.

    can we stop the fantasy?

    I am gonna venture to guess if a team is looking a 1b there will go in much less complicated route than Tex.

    of course, there exist an possibility that I am complete off base.

  24. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Not suggesting this but Teixeira was playing in Texas in 2003 while his teammate, ARod, was using PED’s.

  25. 86w183 November 21st, 2013 at 9:43 am

    YT —

    The bottom hand is the dominant hand… LH for a RH hitter and RH for a LH hitter.

  26. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:45 am

    “David Ortiz had the surgery on his left wrist. I believe Blake and others have brought up the importance of the right wrist, batting from the left side, as generating power”

    Bottom hand is really the power hand….top guides….

  27. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Not suggesting this but Teixeira was playing in Texas in 2003 while his teammate, ARod, was using PED’s.

    ——————

    Yeah they asked him about it a few years ago.. he gave the choir boy excuse, said he’d never do a drug in his life, etc.

  28. AAA November 21st, 2013 at 9:47 am

    YT:

    In Ortiz’s case, it was the left wrist.

  29. ron November 21st, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Fans don’t wan’t to see nunez,adams,wells,ichiro,overbay,nix,stewart playing for the Yankees.
    They have become a boring team.
    Add in no tex,arod,jeter,you have all of the ingredients for lower attendance.
    The boss understood what bringing in celebrity players would do.
    The Yankees spent money,too make money.
    Fans would much rather see top prospects than older players.

    Cano could have,and should have been traded for 2 elite prospects,and we’d be in much better shape.
    A 3b prospect that can start now,and another infield prospect.
    There are enough free agents to sign right now to win the division,and be under the 189.

    McCann,peralta,jimenez,tanaka,choo would have us right at the 189,then when arod gets suspended,we can get a closer,and 2b,and be under the 189.
    We’d be in much better shape if cano was traded for 2 nice prospects,after signing the above players,and I think there would be nothing over a 4 year deal for anyone,wich has our payroll 100 % cleared after the 2017 season,wich is arods,and cc’s last year.

  30. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    @TJQuinnESPN: If I were to condense coventional wisdom I’m getting from folks about ARod: MLB went on a witch hunt, and they found a witch.

    Best summary I’ve heard yet

  31. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    If someone can justify trading for 7 years and $135 million for Fielder, someone could definitely justify trading for 3 years and $67 million for Tex.

    Tex, theoretically, should give you 25/80-100 production with gold glove defense for 3 years. It’s a short term deal.. big money yes, but you’re not saddled with it for a generation.

  32. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    86-

    Thank you for reinforcing that. Then David Ortiz had an easier time of regaining his power stroke since it was the top left hand that had the UCL tendon sheath repaired.

    Cash- You are not offbase. Just boredom while the Yankees add an Anna, and the Giants, Rangers, Tigers, Padres and Phillies are making moves.

  33. Cashmoney November 21st, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Tex, theoretically, should give you 25/80-100 production with gold glove defense for 3 years.
    =====
    yes in theory shame, show me that someone though.

  34. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 9:50 am

    @TJQuinnESPN: If I were to condense coventional wisdom I’m getting from folks about ARod: MLB went on a witch hunt, and they found a witch.
    ————————-

    Great one! The proceedings should have been held in Salem.

  35. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:50 am

    “If someone can justify trading for 7 years and $135 million for Fielder, someone could definitely justify trading for 3 years and $67 million for Tex.”

    Fair point It’d have to be the right situation though and tex does have that full no trade

  36. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Dean Anna:

    …another article…

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....dean-anna/

    Good move….at least he sounds pretty good….

    Would’ve rather tried to get Corey Seager from the Dodgers minors.

    (surely tougher to acquire)

  37. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Tex isn’t going anywhere.

    So give it up.

    ;)

  38. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    All the teams I can think of that might woukd take tex the yanks won’t trade with or they won’t trade with them

  39. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    A few thoughts from yesterday:

    1. Alex is getting some really bad legal advice.
    2. Nolan Ryan has clearly lost his mind
    3. My guess is that Mitch Moreland will now be traded for an outfielder – either Ryan Braun or Joey Bats
    4. Alex Rodriguez is getting some really really bad legal advice

  40. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    All the teams I can think of that might woukd take tex the yanks won’t trade with or they won’t trade with them
    ——————-

    It’s a moot point – Tex has a no trade clause – Prince didn’t.

  41. Cashmoney November 21st, 2013 at 9:55 am

    also shame, tex has a full NTC is coming off 4 declining years and significant injuries at age 33 as oppose to a 29 year fielder one season remove from MVP caliber year.

    you can not draw that parallel in logic.

  42. ron November 21st, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Look at the zito,santanna,arod,pujols,fielder contracts.
    The Yankees should combine what the rays do,wich is trade their good players,before they get huge deals,for a plethora of talent,with the advantage of being one of the few teams that can spend 189 million on payroll.
    Add that with trades,free agents,the draft,we would be fine.

    I’m not saying trade every good player that is 28-30 yrs old.I’m saying trade them when it makes sense to do so,and so we avoid another arod deal.
    Arod would of been a fine signing,but for 7 years only,wich would mean 2014 would be his last year.

  43. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    nobody’s trading for tex or cc

  44. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    UpState-

    Got to wonder about that sudden jump from about .270 to well over .300

    ;)

  45. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Chip,
    I think Alex’s team is doing all they can do…..if he’s not going to admit guilt then they are basically just trying to put the system on trial……

  46. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Shame,

    The reason attendance has been down the last three years is the team has done nothing to create interest. George understood in New York excitement was needed. I found things to do much more often last year rather than watch another hitless, dull game, and my viewing was free.

    We all want to think about trades, but we have nothing to trade that anyone wants unless we trade Nova or Gardner. The only way to improve is through free agency, and we will be regularly outbid. Just wait and watch.

  47. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Shame,
    Don’t be discouraged…..keep trying to find a way to get Tex traded

  48. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:58 am

    That said ….Arod basically blew any chance he had in the arbitration hearing so if a court won’t take the case he’s screwed. Lets hope for that

  49. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:59 am

    @SportsLawGuy: If ARod trying to blow up whole process rather than just get arb to reduce suspension, is pound table&leave better strategy than pound&stay?

  50. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 9:59 am

    While waiting on Cano to see if the Yankees make moves to surround him with some offensive talent, not ??? marks returning from season ending injuries or surgery, or suspensions, and while waiting to see when Tanaka will be posted, which offensive bats would you prioritize first from a position of need?

    If Kuroda goes back to Japan would you add another pitcher now, while awaiting the chance to add Tanaka?

    My priority would be at catcher.

  51. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 9:59 am

    I am boycotting all A-Rod threads.

    Totally sick of hearing about it, and of hearing about this cosmic pissing contest.

    Just let me know how much money we save is all.

    ;)

  52. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:00 am

    @AndrewMarchand: Reported this awhile back: During last year, Rangers called Yanks asking about possible trade for Cano. Yanks were uninterested.

    Now they could lose him for nothing…..sure glad we kept him and won those 85 games

  53. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2013 at 10:01 am

    From what I have read, Prince had a “limited NO-trade” and had to give his OK on the just completed deal. Whether the Yanks could or could not trade TEX is a moot point at the present time. What the Fielder deal shows is that TEX does have trade value, contrary to the persistent howling produced by the torch and pitch-fork crowd around here.

  54. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:02 am

    @brianmacp: Vernon Wells was untradeable. Carl Crawford was untradeable. Prince Fielder was untradeable.

    So was AJ Burnett…..is Tex?

  55. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I wouldn’t get too excited about PCL stats for Anna. They are always inflated. His years before are generally so-so. There is always a reason a guy is in the minors at 26. He is like many of the fillers guys we added last year who were at AAA.

    The Anna and Ryan signing suggesst to me they are filling the roster on the cheap. I’m shocked. Hal, of all people, wanting to add low cost players.

    Let me know when attendance falls below 2,000,000. I guess 2015.

  56. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 10:02 am

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:58 am

    That said ….Arod basically blew any chance he had in the arbitration hearing so if a court won’t take the case he’s screwed. Lets hope for that
    ——————-

    Absolutely. I think you’re going to start hearing Alex not only take shots at Selig but also the Union. He’s only chance of a federal court even hearing this case is if he can argue that the Union and League are conspiring against him.

  57. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Fielder had a .940 OpS and hit .313 in 2012 and he’s 29 years old.

    Tex hasn’t done that in years…..like 5 years

  58. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 10:03 am

    The Rangers need to lose Ron Washington if they want a ring.

    He sucks.

    He’s been given plenty of talent to work w over the years and has never gotten them to the finish line.

  59. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Austinmac-

    Good morning. I posted this RAB’s article above, for you, about the drop in attendance.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....ngs-96619/

  60. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Chip – I read he had a limited no trade and the Rangers were on the list.

    blake – I won’t let it.. every contract is ‘untradable’ until it isn’t… big money deals are moving more and more often.

  61. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Blake-

    You are missing the point IMO.

    The Yankees have no desire to trade Texeira.

    He’s a big, hairy monster and they like it.

    ;)

  62. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    MTU November 21st, 2013 at 9:56 am
    UpState-

    Got to wonder about that sudden jump from about .270 to well over .300

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  63. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    YT,

    When you say offensive talent I immediately think of Ryan. One would have thought it would be difficult to worsen last year’s offense. I think not. They are on their way.

  64. Cashmoney November 21st, 2013 at 10:06 am

    @brianmacp: Vernon Wells was untradeable. Carl Crawford was untradeable. Prince Fielder was untradeable.
    —–
    does the possibility exist, sure. Is it highly improbable, yes.

  65. AAA November 21st, 2013 at 10:06 am

    2. Nolan Ryan has clearly lost his mind

    ==========================

    He’s not with the Rangers organization anymore.

  66. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:07 am

    If the Rangers move Andrus then suddenly they have plenty of money for Cano…..they do anyway.

  67. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:07 am

    He’s been given plenty of talent to work w over the years and has never gotten them to the finish line.

    ————–

    Coulda said the same for Leyland.

  68. Cashmoney November 21st, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Ryan is a beast Mac. So is Anna.

  69. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:08 am

    @MikeVacc: Column I, One Angry Man: At last we see Defiant A-Rod. For his sake, he’d better also have been Truthful A-Rod. http://t.co/sPkUTko0Bi

  70. JobaTipsHisCap November 21st, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Arod is ready to testify under the oath, it’s Selig chose not to. I guess Selig doesn’t want to lie under the oath. Should he be given credits for this? lol, what a tool.
    And people just ignore the facts based on their dislikes on arod.
    I am convinced that MLB doesn’t have any solid evidence against arod.

  71. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Ryan is still with the Rangers. Nothing came of that kerfuffle.

  72. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Shame-

    But Leyland is gone now.

    ;)

    UpState-

    Yeah. Or frequent visits to a certain unnamed clinic.

    Always suspicious of such sudden and extreme changes in performance.

    ;)

  73. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:10 am

    If Selig hates NY as Arod suggests then he wouldn’t be trying to get Alex suspended because clearly that helps the Yankees more than him not being suspended

  74. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 10:11 am

    YT,

    I saw your attendance post. We both remember the empty stadium in the Bronx for many years. Hal may not remember it as he was playing with his horses and hotels. He seems to believe it is the Yankee insignia that fills the stadium. Nope. Bad team and no crowds. That is a certainty.

    I have maintained for more than a year they are killing the golden goose. It is silly to save $50M and lose $100M. But, I guess Hal feels good if he can watch our lousy team but know he is not paying any luxury tax. Happy days for the Yankee fanbase.

  75. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:12 am

    I still thing the most awesome thing we learned yesterday is that Alex invited Selig to brunch and Selig declined.

    Also, Alex said he had a PhD in baseball.. which was classic.

  76. JobaTipsHisCap November 21st, 2013 at 10:13 am

    plain and simple, show the evidence. that’s end of story.
    I guess MLB is afraid the evidence might involve other big or bigger names? hmm, I can’t wait.

  77. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Shame-

    Rodriguez would do well to keep his mouth shut because almost every time he opens it his foot gets stuck in it.

    He suffers from chronic foot-in-mouth disease.

    ;)

  78. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:15 am

    the angels picked up 70% of well’s salary. if you trade tex under those same conditions, they will be paying about $15M per year of his salary, which counts against the cap, then they have to replace him.

    IF you could get someone to take that deal, then yes, you can move tex. but his salary plus lets say $10M to replace him and the end result is you’ve downgraded at 1b and it’s costing you $25M/year against the LT threshold to do it.

  79. AAA November 21st, 2013 at 10:16 am

    I am convinced that MLB doesn’t have any solid evidence against arod.

    ===================

    Doubt that. In fact, the MLBPA recommended that Rodriguez accept a suspension if it came in at a particular number (read: something considerably less than 211). One has to assume that recommendation came after having reviewed the evidence. My guess is that the number the MLBPA had in mind was 50, but whatever it was, it appears MLB never offered it and Rodriguez may not have accepted it.

  80. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Judge Ito hung it up a long time ago. NO judge is gonna issue an injunction against MLB and allow A-Rod to play, After he loses his arbitration case. The ripple precedent this would set in ALL sports = All judges Immediately breaking out their “10 foot pole” when seeing A-Rod’s injunction request on the docket.

  81. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Anna is a beast ?

    He’s had one good year in the minors and is no youngster.

    And I suspect he’s on something.

    You don’t usually go from being a .270 nobody to a .330 stud all of a sudden.

    That’s a ridiculous amount of change.

  82. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:17 am

    mlb is severely limited in what they are allowed to release because this suspension is under the jda. they are further limited by the judge’s order in the civil case.

    i agree they need to put out what evidence they can when they can, but right now they really can’t.

  83. Cashmoney November 21st, 2013 at 10:17 am

    I still thing the most awesome thing we learned yesterday is that Alex invited Selig to brunch and Selig declined.
    —-
    This whole affair is sad yet wonderfully hilarious. But the, wake me up when a decision is rendered, If i want theater there are probably other venues i could explore.

    I am surprised the Rod hasn’t call AL Sharpton for additional entertainment.

  84. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Blake-

    Good article on ARod. Thanks.

    “For his sake, if he’s channeling an Armstrong, better it be Neil than Lance.”

  85. Cashmoney November 21st, 2013 at 10:19 am

    MTU, yes, he is altered beast, Anna that is.

  86. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:19 am

    It’s just hard for me to believe the the union would turn their back on Arod if the evidence wasn’t substantial…..thing of the precedent that would set.

    When you consider that every other player involved in this admitted guilt and that the union isn’t backing Arod then it’s a pretty big leap to think he didn’t do this stuff

  87. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:19 am

    if mlb has no evidence then they bluffed 8 players into pleading guilty to something they had no proof of, costing them each 100′s of thousands or millions of dollars. and they all agreed…..

  88. Cashmoney November 21st, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Also, a wonderful Saga Genesis title in the yonder years.

  89. JobaTipsHisCap November 21st, 2013 at 10:20 am

    no matter how Arod case goes, it won’t matter to Yankees 2014 season.
    They need to have all star performance from both tex and “ace” CC in order to have any chance. In fact, I think cc’s 2014 season will make any die hard fans stop calling him an ace.

  90. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Cash-

    Altered in what way ?

    Roids ?

    Mean like Joey Bats and Davis.

    ;)

  91. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 10:21 am

    MTU-

    He’s [Anna],a contact hitter with little power. Doubt he’s [Anna] a hairy monster.

    :)

  92. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:21 am

    ““For his sake, if he’s channeling an Armstrong, better it be Neil than Lance.””

    ======================================
    i go with Louie every time….

  93. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 10:22 am

    MLB definitely has to have some level of goods on A-Rod.

    It’s ludicrous to think otherwise.

  94. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:22 am

    blake – Not sure where the sentiment that the MLBPA isn’t supportive is coming from. This is the statement they released yesterday:

    “The MLBPA believes that every player has the right under our arbitration process to directly confront his accuser,” the union said in a statement. ”We argued strenuously to the arbitrator in Alex’s case that the commissioner should be required to appear and testify. While we respectfully disagree with the arbitrator’s ruling, we will abide by it as we continue to vigorously challenge Alex’s suspension within the context of this hearing.”

  95. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:23 am

    louis armstrong’s PED was legal until about 1936.

  96. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Shame,

    Nolan Ryan is no longer with the Rangers. The Astros are interested in getting him for some capacity.

  97. jacksquat November 21st, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Anna jumped to the PCL, that alone could easily account for his improved offense. He also is very close to the average peak age for baseball players.

  98. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Shame,
    I think perhaps actions speak louder than issues statements in this case

  99. jacksquat November 21st, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:22 am
    blake – Not sure where the sentiment that the MLBPA isn’t supportive is coming from. This is the statement they released yesterday:

    It’s coming from Trisha. Don’t bother posting facts, it’s useless.

  100. Cashmoney November 21st, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Does Alex Rodriquez has to choke a commissioner?

  101. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:28 am

    the mlbpa is on arod’s side in the appeal, however they have clearly been shoved to the side by arod’s lawyers.

  102. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Well.. what actions?

    We’ll find out when the ruling is handed down, but it’s always been assumed that Manfred would vote against Alex and the union rep would vote in his favor and Horowitz is the final decider. Unless that rep does otherwise, I dunno that anything can be drawn from what’s happened so far. They seem like they’re doing their job.. fighting the length and letting the process play out. When it was leaked that MLB would pursue this matter outside of the confines of the JDA, the union jumped all over it and MLB couldn’t do that. They’re actually the one party that hasn’t embarrassed themselves in the process.

  103. tucker November 21st, 2013 at 10:30 am

    “I have maintained for more than a year they are killing the golden goose. It is silly to save $50M and lose $100M. But, I guess Hal feels good if he can watch our lousy team but know he is not paying any luxury tax. Happy days for the Yankee fanbase.”

    The biggest issue facing the Yanks. It amazes me about all these leaks suggesting the Yanks are going to spend big this offseason. It’s hard to believe at this point, particularly with reports that Hal is taking a more “hands-on” approach. To me that means he’ll nickel and dime other agents and the Yanks will lose out on the big fishes. There is just no way he’ll ever from 189 despite the growing evidence that it’s not a financially-prudent approach.

  104. tucker November 21st, 2013 at 10:31 am

    … He’ll veer fro 189 …

  105. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:31 am

    MLBPA would be under CRAZY fire if they didn’t treat this case as all others.. I really don’t get what they’ve done or not done to indicate they’re doing anything differently.

    Wait, not even a month ago I was reading about Ryan’s rehabilitated relationship with Texas. That changed again???! I’ve been very out of the loop. See what happens when I don’t come here daily..?

  106. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Shame,

    Alex does have a PhD in baseball. If he had been our GM in 2010,’he would have recognized his and others’ declining trend and done something about it.

    If Alex were the GM, I have no doubt we’d be in
    A much better place. He might have even negotiated with himself to free up
    Some
    Money :)

  107. AAA November 21st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    It’s just hard for me to believe the the union would turn their back on Arod if the evidence wasn’t substantial…..thing of the precedent that would set.

    When you consider that every other player involved in this admitted guilt and that the union isn’t backing Arod then it’s a pretty big leap to think he didn’t do this stuff

    ==================================

    Don’t think this is really an accurate assessment of things. I think the MLBPA has made it clear that they’re 100% opposed to the 211 game punishment, but would be OK with a much lower number. In the case of Rodriguez’s fellow Biogenesis cronies, the MLBPA felt the punishments were warranted and appropriate, and thus recommended they accept them.

  108. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    I wouldn’t say the union is against Arod but he’s decided to not use them more or less because he doesn’t trust them apparently…..so he’s gotten Tacopina and his goons to represent him.

    Suggests that Alex didn’t feel comfortable with the support he was getting there or that the union wouldn’t go with the techniques that he wanted them to .

    Arod decided to drag this thing into the muck….and apparently has taken a if you’re not with me you’re against me attitude

  109. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:28 am

    the mlbpa is on arod’s side in the appeal, however they have clearly been shoved to the side by arod’s lawyers.
    ———————–

    Alex’s lawyers are really not very good. They’re making a 3rd grader’s argument. The suspension should be lifted because it’s not fair.

    It was hilarious that he went on the radio yesterday saying that he shouldn’t be suspended because he didn’t do PEDs; yet that’s not what his side is actually arguing. They’re arguing that he shouldn’t be suspended because MLB went too far in collecting the evidence that proves he did use PEDs.

  110. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    “MLBPA would be under CRAZY fire if they didn’t treat this case as all others.. I really don’t get what they’ve done or not done to indicate they’re doing anything differently”

    I can’t tell that they are really involved at all other than issuing a statement every now and then…..now that may be Arods doing but his own lawyers are doing the work in his case more or less

  111. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    tacopina has announced that they are finished with the hearing and that arod will not testify unless selig doess. he further said that arod’s side will release thier evidence tomorrow.

    according to WINS as relayed by evan roberts on WFAN

  112. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Blake,

    It isn’t a question of trust at this point – For Alex to win in Federal Court he has to show that the system is rigged against him. One way of doing that is to say that the Union and League were working together and thus the arbitration process wasn’t fair.

    The fact that the Union came out yesterday and said that they argued that Selig should be compelled to appear but understood and were satisfied with the process that Horowitz used in reaching the decision makes it a little harder on Alex to prove that.

  113. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:36 am

    “Don’t think this is really an accurate assessment of things. I think the MLBPA has made it clear that they’re 100% opposed to the 211 game punishment, but would be OK with a much lower number”

    See they aren’t on the same page though…..the union has said from the start that there was a number they’d agree to for a suspension length…..basically acknowledging that he did it but that the length is unfair…..Arod won’t admit guilt so he chose to hire his own team and fight this thing to the death.

    Clearly the union wasn’t going to go down that road of defense which is why he hired his own guys.

  114. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    tacopina has announced that they are finished with the hearing and that arod will not testify unless selig doess. he further said that arod’s side will release thier evidence tomorrow.

    according to WINS as relayed by evan roberts on WFAN
    ——————

    He’s been threatening to “release evidence” for months now. He won’t do it because to do so means to waive Alex’s right to confidentiality in the matter which would give MLB the opportunity to release all of their evidence against Alex. That’s the last thing Rodriguez wants.

  115. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Dombrowski continues to shine. Detroit came out oof this deal with Miggy at 1B, and Kinsler at 2B. I believe they Now zero in on Peralta.

  116. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:36 am

    “It isn’t a question of trust at this point – For Alex to win in Federal Court he has to show that the system is rigged against him. One way of doing that is to say that the Union and League were working together and thus the arbitration process wasn’t fair.”

    Yes….and that’s what they are doing. Their goal all along was to put the system on trial in federal court……

  117. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:37 am

    when arod’s people actually spoke on the phone with the yankees people, arod’s lawyers were on the phone, but they never even bothered to get a union rep on the line for the call.

    i think that tells you all you need to know about how closely arod’s people are working with the union.

    one thing i would say, that the union may well change thier tune if arod really doesnt go forward with this arbitration which the union bargained for and was instrumental in setting up. I think the mlbpa’s only argument is about the length of suspension and making sure arods rights arent violated.

    but if this process is actually reviewed by a court, mlbpa may have to switch sides to defend the system or somehow straddle some middle ground as they have a vested interest in supporting the system that is set up to deal with suspensions.

  118. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:38 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #STLCards, #Angels have discussed a trade that would send 3B David Freese to Anaheim.

  119. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:38 am

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    “MLBPA would be under CRAZY fire if they didn’t treat this case as all others.. I really don’t get what they’ve done or not done to indicate they’re doing anything differently”

    I can’t tell that they are really involved at all other than issuing a statement every now and then…..now that may be Arods doing but his own lawyers are doing the work in his case more or less

    ————-

    Right.. but as you said, that’s been because of Alex’s preference. That’s different than the MLBPA ‘turning it’s back’ on Alex. There’s no evidence to suggest they’ve done anything of the sort unless I missed something… which is entirely possible since I didn’t know Nolan Ryan got divorced from the Rangers.

  120. AAA November 21st, 2013 at 10:38 am

    the mlbpa is on arod’s side in the appeal, however they have clearly been shoved to the side by arod’s lawyers.

    ================================

    I think it’s fair to say that these parties have two different goals. MLBPA isn’t advocating for no punishment here, but rather advocating for appropriate punishment under the JDA. Arod’s legal team seems to be fighting for no punishment at all, which is ambitious…..and probably a little nuts.

  121. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Unfortunately, it is in much of human nature to love to see train wrecks.

    This whole sordid saga cannot disappear fast enough.

    This was supposed to be a thread abou the rule 5 and has once again descended into another A-Rod thread.

    Sad.

    :(

  122. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    tacopina has announced that they are finished with the hearing and that arod will not testify unless selig doess. he further said that arod’s side will release thier evidence tomorrow.

    according to WINS as relayed by evan roberts on WFAN

    ——————

    Tomorrow?!

    C’mon just give it to us now… this is like Christmas. I bet there is a picture of Alex sitting alone at a table set with brunch for two, alone.

  123. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Seems to me that Weiner likely had no interest in defending a not guilty plee by Alex after seeing the evidence……Alex then hired his own guys and their strategy became to make it appear that both the Union and MLB was out to get him in hopes that they could take it to federal court……at least that’s how I see it.

    So it’s not that the union wouldn’t back him…..it’s that they probably wouldn’t do it the way he wanted

  124. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Chase Whitley

    Tommy Kahnle

    Danny Burawa

    …minor league pitchers that we may lose in the Rule 5 Draft…

    Any of these that should’ve been protected ?

  125. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:41 am

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:38 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #STLCards, #Angels have discussed a trade that would send 3B David Freese to Anaheim.

    ———————-

    Man, lots of movement being discussed early.

  126. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:42 am

    personally i think arod’s lawyer are taking him for a ride. i think their tacopina’s interest in this is to drag it out as long as possible in every possible way, generate as much publiciy as possible and charge arod a ton of money to do it. and i think they’ve ochestrated arod’s stupidity to make it seem (to arod) like he’s calling the shots when he’s actuallly being dragged along by a lawyer who’s only interest is himself, his publicity and his wallet.

    arod’s just being a chump for these guys.

  127. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Shame,
    I think the union looked at the evidence and chose not to pursue a no suspension defense for Alex and that made him mad

  128. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 10:43 am

    UpState-

    If they had the space I’d say at least 2 of the 3 should.

    But they don’t.

    They should have been busy making MiLB to MiLB swaps but they just sat on their hands as usual.

    The Yankees are not proactive but reactive.

    That needs to change.

  129. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I think Alex is doing the only thing he can do if he wants to not be suspended at all……the problem is that he better be telling the truth

  130. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Blake-

    And the odds that he is ?

    ;)

  131. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2013 at 10:47 am

    A-Rod wanted to shift the focus to putting Bud on trial. This, and his hissy-fit, show he Never had a legitimate defense. This is a sad situation, and going to get sader. The man should just shut-up and do the time.

  132. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:47 am

    MTU,
    I think he’s lied so much he believes it

  133. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2013 at 10:49 am

    The, “Yanks need to change” complaint has been going on for Several seasons now. As long as the same bone heads are pulling the levers, you’re gonna get the same result.

  134. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:50 am

    What about trying to get Suzuki for a year or two to take over at catcher..?

  135. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:51 am

    @Espngreeny: ARod’s fit yesterday means only one thing: He will never have to testify under oath about PEDs. That’s what this was. Nothing more or less.

    Yup….throw a hissy fit and walk out so you don’t have to testify under oath

  136. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 10:52 am

    We have learned the Yankees have little to trade. The Cards told them so for Freese.

    If Anna was remotely any good, he wouldn’t have been traded for a low level, non-prospect.

    It is early, as I remember saying last year, but so far other than telling the fans knows “see, we are talking with agents this year” they have shown me no reason for hopes for next year. The cap is still in play, Cano is as far away as ever, other free agents have lots of teams interested with actual money to spend and we are still waiting to see how the hearing turns out.

  137. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Blake-

    That’s even sadder and more ridiculous.

    :(

  138. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:54 am

    As Sherman mentioned in his column….originally Arod claimed he didn’t even know who Boesch was…..yesterday he said he only went to him for nutritional reasons. Which is it Alex? He’s a serial liar

  139. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Time to go. I’d be happy with this opening day Yankee lineup with everyone at 100%

    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Soriano LF
    McCann C
    Teixeira 1B
    Prado 3B
    Reynolds DH
    Almonte RF

    Starters:
    Kuroda
    Tanaka
    Sabathia
    Nova
    Phelps/Warren/Pineda

    OFlaherty-Loogy
    Robertson
    Claiborne
    Kelley
    Warren/Phelps/Pineda
    Balfour

    Could that fit under the 189M if ARod is suspended a full season?

  140. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2013 at 10:57 am

    There was Nothing “forcing” A-Rod to take the stand. He could have gone through the entire process without taking the stand. His hissy-fit had nothing to do with taking the stand. It was Not scripted. He was just being the classic baby and throwing a tantrum when he did not get his way regarding Bud taking the stand.

  141. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Kahnle and Burawa Re both big fastball guys that. Could be factors in BP. Whitley reminds me of Alex
    CObb and has a really good
    Change and gets GB.
    They are
    Not
    Going to prioritize relievers though which is what the first two guys are nor a long reliever/backed starter. Over prospective big arm starters or important position players. Dellin has a better arsenal and fastball than either Kahnle or Burawa, all 3 can amp it but Dellin was Porte Ted over those
    Guys

  142. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 10:58 am

    They should have been busy making MiLB to MiLB swaps but they just sat on their hands as usual.

    —————————

    Does a MiLB to MiLB trade effect either player regarding the Rule 5 Draft ?

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Backend starter re Whitley

  144. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Alex Cobb comparison…

    This is good…very good…

    We’ll lose him then.

    (figures)

  145. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 11:02 am

    ARod was a no show today and his lawyer- Tacopina, “We are absolutely shutting down at this point.”

    But then, “If Mr. Selig shows up, Alex will be here, ready to testify.”

  146. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 11:02 am

    UpState-

    You trade the guy before he is eligible for the Rule 5.

    That’s the point of my comment.

    Just trading them now changing nothing in their status.

  147. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Dellin was protected over Kahnle/Burawa/Whitley

  148. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    The Yankees should been doing a lot more pruning earlier.

    ;)

  149. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    i disagree, i think it was totally scripted. i’ve seen arod take a called strike three i high leverage situations in the WS and not throw a fit. he never agues. he’s always composed.

    can you name for me aany time when arod ‘lost it’ ever? its not in him.

    that was practiced and scripted.

    he doesnt have to testify but he is required to interview with mlb as part of the appeal process. this is what he is trying to avoid, imo.

  150. blake November 21st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Alex didn’t want to testify under oath….so they came up with this charade yesterday

  151. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 11:04 am

    As I said yesterday, this was the way for AROD not to have to testify but yet continue to deny he used. It is all a show demonstrating to me the hearing is going badly for them.

  152. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 11:05 am

    But then, “If Mr. Selig shows up, Alex will be here, ready to testify.”

    ———————-

    Selig really should just show up lol… c’mon, tell me you all wouldn’t pay to see that.

  153. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Pruf, agree about Dellin’s superiority. Those RP’s have big arms but you have to prioritize position players, SP’s. I’ve seen both Kahnle and Burawa throw nasty stuff, but they do have questionable control/command. Kahnle can get out lefties and Lewis is a LHP, but we do have a bunch of arms and it is not like they are young. Still they would have been nice options/depth. Then I figure even if Anna is an AAAA player, the Yanks are thinking they should load up on IF’s just in case they need some even of the utility caliber with all their IF questions marks. Think about it, right now the whole IF could be out if you consider suspensions, FA and injury risks RE: returning players. Not that the fill-ins are anything but replacement level or below, likely. Interesting too that we kept the other AAAA types on the roster, such as Huff, Daley, and of course folk hero, Nixy. Yanks also predictably didn’t protect Cotham, Stoneburner, and Bleich. Next year will be an even tougher decision when we have something like 11 players eligible for Rule 5. Also FYI, Corban cleared waivers and I believe was reassigned to the minors.

  154. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 11:07 am

    The Tigers lost a lot of production with Fielder and Peralta gone…

  155. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Goodbye all.

    Have a great day.

    Until later.

  156. blake November 21st, 2013 at 11:09 am

    “Selig really should just show up lol… c’mon, tell me you all wouldn’t pay to see that.”

    Absolutely

  157. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 11:10 am

    If the Rangers really are open to trading Andrus, I’d have to assume the purpose would be to clear out even more salary.. Profar probably gets them more in talent but trading Andrus gives them even more flexibility than they already have…

    I wish the Yankees would get Andrus.

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Upstate -
    Doesn’t mean he’ll be as effective as Cobb, just reminds me of him in terms of being GB/change up centric. But you wouldn’t protect him and leave
    Shane Greene/Campos/Bryan Mitchell exposed.

  159. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 11:12 am

    AROD’s side shutting down tells me they had no other helpful evidence. It will not help them on any appeal, in my judgment.

    Let’s close the hearing and have the arbitrator’s decision making clock start ticking.

  160. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 11:14 am

    So Alex doesnt testify unless Bud does.

    Alex maintains innocence.

    Bud remains at home.

    No actual proof provided by MLB.

    Arbitration Panel rules against Alex – recommends the 211.

    Alex appeals.
    ———————————

    Who does he appeal to ?

    Does the Panel have the power to actually enforce the 211 ?

    If Alex appeals…is he able to play while an appeal is going on ?

  161. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Dombroski and Leyland (on MLB Network) said they wouldn’t be surprised if the Tigers kept Miggy at 3B…. so here is the question: do the Tigers want Tex for 3 years lol????

  162. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Shame, Detroit is filling in with their kids in Castellanos and Avisail Garcia. Interesting to see if Castellanos goes back to 3B. Sure is nice to be able to have mlb-ready kids to go to. This is how you develop a team. Deal off because you have strength in your farm. I envy Detroit making such a move. Wish we could be as forward thinking. Maybe we too will next hire a “defensive coordinator” to implement shifts. Better hurry, Yanks. We are being left in the dust by these other cutting edge teams…

  163. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 11:15 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 11:11 am
    Upstate -
    Doesn’t mean he’ll be as effective as Cobb, just reminds me of him in terms of being GB/change up centric. But you wouldn’t protect him and leave
    Shane Greene/Campos/Bryan Mitchell exposed.
    =====================

    So they actually protected the ‘right’ players ?

  164. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Apparently there are some questions about Castellano’s athleticism and defense in both the OF and 3B.

  165. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 11:17 am

    YF – yeah both Kahnle and Burawa have been better in terms of throwing strikes and Kahnle has been developing a nice change.

    Dellin though whether they choose to revisit has a
    front-end arsenal and could certainly be reconverted.

  166. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 11:17 am

    YF-

    Garcia was traded to the White Sox in a 3-way trade.

  167. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Time for brunch.

    Taking Mrs. MTU out.

    Catch you all later.

    :)

  168. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Upstate -
    In terms of projection/potential/position,’sure
    They did.

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Enjoy your
    Brunch MTU

  170. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 11:20 am

    UpState November 21st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Chase Whitley

    Tommy Kahnle

    Danny Burawa

    …minor league pitchers that we may lose in the Rule 5 Draft…

    Any of these that should’ve been protected ?
    ————————

    I would have protected Kahnle and Whitley before protecting Marshall.

  171. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 11:21 am

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Alex didn’t want to testify under oath….so they came up with this charade yesterday
    ——————-

    Exactly…which is also why I don’t believe Tacopina when he says that they’re going to put their evidence out for the public.

  172. 86w183 November 21st, 2013 at 11:21 am

    gotta take off for a while

    have a day

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Chip, I’m not big on Marshall either, never have
    Been

  174. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 11:24 am

    MTU, good point about Garcia.

    Shame, yeah well, regarding production, Castellanos should be able to pick up the slack. Interesting to see if they have him revisit 3B.

    I would think Kahnle might be claimed. Big arm and can get out lefties, but these guys are mid 20′s and RP’s. And they have to stick on the 25-man. Also Kahnle and Burawa do have control issues…. You have to protect your SP’s, especially of the caliber of Mitchell, Greene, Campos.

  175. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 11:25 am

    How about this as a follow up to getting Prince:

    Milwaukee gets: Moreland, Olt and Martin Perez

    Rangers get: Braun and Aoki

    Then you’re looking at:

    Andrus – SS
    Aoki – RF
    Prince – 1b
    Braun – LF
    Beltre – 3b
    Rios – DH
    AJP (if they bring him back) – C
    Profar – 2b
    Leyonis Martin – CF

  176. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 11:27 am

    My guess is
    They
    Consider Marshall more
    Of a
    Real starter than Whitley who only recently was
    Given some
    Starts. Kahnle/Burawa are exclusive
    short relief
    Guys so
    No
    Surprise there especially with their
    Brilliant plan to give Betances 2 innings rather than six :roll:

  177. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 11:31 am

    YF – agree with 11:24 post.

  178. blake November 21st, 2013 at 11:31 am

    @Joelsherman1: A-Rod statement from Jan: “The news report about a purported relationship between Alex Rodriguez and Anthony Bosch are not true (cont)

    @Joelsherman1: Alex Rodriguez was not Mr. Bosch’s patient, he was never treated by him and he was never advised by him.” (cont)

    @Joelsherman1: A-Rod yest with Francesa: “Bosch was a guy from Miami, and it was nutrition and it was weight-loss.” #storyalwayschanges

    Guess Alex misremembered

  179. Russell Munson November 21st, 2013 at 11:32 am

    So they kept Stewart on the roster and are risking losing a useful relief pitcher or two?

  180. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Whitley doesn’t have the arm of the other RP’s, but better control/command and more of a pitcher; they were giving him some spot starts, so not sure how they were envisioning him. But they may still get some of these guys back.

    Marshall can be very good, but he is a sinker ball pitcher and isn’t going to give us the K’s/peripherals we prefer… Still he improved in second half in AAA, and is closer to mlb-ready than the others. I read they adjusted his mechanics and added back a slider too, which helped and should help. Think he might actually give you something at backend.

  181. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 11:35 am

    They love Stewie…

  182. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Have fun, MTU!

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Let’s trade for Makiel Franco :) speaking of utterly unrealistic ideas

  184. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 11:40 am

    YF – they obviously like Marshall. He does get groundballs when he keeps the
    Ball down. He can get hammered though. I dont dig out his AAA starts
    To watch.
    I had
    My fill of him here :)

  185. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Pruf, he isn’t one of my favorites, but I think they adjusted his mechanics second half and added slider. I didn’t see his starts. But his sinker is good when he is pitching well. Also really good change. He is still only 23; interesting to see what pitcher he is/becomes in 2014.

  186. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    FWIW: “The Padres and Yankees both faced a 40-man roster crunch Wednesday, and the Padres decided not to keep middle infielder Dean Anna. The Yankees, seeking depth on the left side of the infield, acquired Anna from San Diego for righthander Ben Paullus and immediately added him to the 40-man roster.

    Anna, drafted out of Ball State, is coming off his best pro season, winning the Pacific Coast League batting title while playing for Triple-A Tucson. He hit .331/.410/.482 and walked (61) almost as much as he struck out (65), a career-long trend. Anna lacks physicality and pop at 5-foot-11, 180 pounds and fits the utility profile as a lefthanded hitter. He’s played second base, shortstop and third base as well as the outfield corners, with a fringe-average arm and solid infield actions. He’s a reliable defender who made just 23 errors the last two seasons. He’s a below-average runner, the biggest hole in his utility profile. Anna has earned high marks in his career as a grinder and good teammate. He spent two weeks playing for Estrellas in the Dominican League but returned home after going 8-for-34 (.235) with four walks in nine games.

    Padres Acquire
    Ben Paullus, rhp
    Age: 24.
    Career Transactions: Selected by Yankees in 19th round of 2011 draft; signed June 13, 2011.

    Paullus was the key reliever for Memphis during his college career and was in a similar role in 2013 for low Class A Charleston, which was his second South Atlantic League stint. He had a poor 3-2, 6.65 season in 2012 but improved to 6-3, 2.54 with 60 strikeouts in 60 innings. He earned a promotion to high Class A Tampa, which didn’t go well. He gave up 15 hits and seven runs in 11 innings. Paullus has a slinging, max-effort delivery, and his best pitch is a power 12-to-6 curveball that reaches the low 80s at his best. His fastball generally sits in the average 88-92 mph range but has touched 95. He improved in 2013 by adding a cutter that helped him throw more strikes and combat lefthanders.”

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....-leaguers/

  187. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 11:56 am

    added *back his slider… should read.

  188. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    ….despite his detractors…

    Dean Anna batted .331 – regardless of what league he played in…

  189. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    I’m guessing that this Anna kid will receive similar treatment as guys like Bootcheck and Daley got – added to the roster only to be outrighted off of it soon after so that they can stash him in AAA.

  190. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Yankeefem – thanks for the info. I’m off my Iphone, back at home, but getting ready to move again. “Max effort delivery” reliever who slings the ball, you never know, but from that description, I’d be wary and doesn’t sound like a big loss. We have a ton of these guys.

  191. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    I’m guessing that this Anna kid will receive similar treatment as guys like Bootcheck and Daley got – added to the roster only to be outrighted off of it soon after so that they can stash him in AAA.
    =======================

    When we needed some help last season – we were dealing with the likes of Luis Cruz.

    Putting that into perspective – Anna may look reasonably good !

  192. JobaTipsHisCap November 21st, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    LOL

    Many people just judge people based on their personal opinions, instead of going after solid evidences.
    This is just like some people “protested” after George Zimmerman case is over, because they don’t like the verdict.

  193. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    It’s just a guy to take a look at in spring training I think. Remember how many utility guys the team went through last year? They’re not bringing Nix back, CoJo was just optioned off the 40 man roster, who knows what they feel about DA and Addison Maruzsak…I’m sure if they need the roster spot he won’t stop them from freeing one up.

    As I said, I would have protected Kahnle and Whitely as they both look like really good back of the pen options – better than Montgomery was last year – so we’ll see.

    Trade to consider:

    Eduardo Nunez to the Pirates for Jose Tabata?

  194. JobaTipsHisCap November 21st, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    I hope eventually they can leak some other big names with PED.
    That’s gonna be interesting.

  195. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:36 am

    “It isn’t a question of trust at this point – For Alex to win in Federal Court he has to show that the system is rigged against him. One way of doing that is to say that the Union and League were working together and thus the arbitration process wasn’t fair.”

    “Yes….and that’s what they are doing. Their goal all along was to put the system on trial in federal court……”

    This is how it works. For Arod to get a court to vacate the arbitration decision, he has to show the panel and/or the process was seriously flawed in some way. The strongest argument to make is bias. There’s no need to involve the union here. All Arod’s lawyers need to do is attach to their brief the actual news stories containing Manfred’s inane comments about Arod made DURING the arbitration. The beauty there is there’s no need for interpretation, or summary or spin. The statements speak for themselves. Of course the counter argument is, “sure Manfred is biased. He’s the MLB rep on the panel.” The counter to that is his statements were so egregious and unprecedented in an arbitration format that it polluted the arbitration process and made it impossible for Arod to get a fair hearing. You want proof of that? The neutral arbitrator prohibited the only witness who could provide the necessary information as to the rationale for the suspension from testifying. A witness who’s testified several times before in arbitrations under similar circumstances.

    That ladies and gentlemen is called a strong legal argument.

  196. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Eduardo Nunez to the Pirates for Jose Tabata?

    =============

    In a flash.

    Anyone….anyone else ?

    The only one I wouldn’t trade Nunez for is the pathetic ‘infielder’ the Astros have.

    (forgot the name)

  197. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “Seems to me that Weiner likely had no interest in defending a not guilty plee by Alex after seeing the evidence……Alex then hired his own guys and their strategy became to make it appear that both the Union and MLB was out to get him in hopes that they could take it to federal court……at least that’s how I see it.

    So it’s not that the union wouldn’t back him…..it’s that they probably wouldn’t do it the way he wanted”

    Not true. Only an individual without financial means would fail to hire his or her own counsel when heading to litigation. The Union being there is independent of that. And as I’ve pointed out on several occasions, the Union’s actions in the entire Biogenesis matter is nothing short of bizarre.

  198. Hankflorida November 21st, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    If Texas has the gold to sign Cano and Granderson is on his way to “The Second City,” the Yankees will start to resemble “The Gang Who Couldn’t Shoot Straight” in order to reach the wind tunnel that sucks the ball into the right field porch at the Stadium. I bring up the scene once again when Mo made a great pitch over the outside corner to Napoli and lost his save when Napoli just flicked his wrists and popped the ball into the right field seats. The look on Mo’s face was of such disbelief, and I can envision Hal putting all of his eggs into pitching and the look on those pitcher’s faces when they lose those games to the opposition because manufacturing runs doesn’t bring in enough runs to win in the bandbox they call home.

  199. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    As I said, I would have protected Kahnle and Whitely as they both look like really good back of the pen options – better than Montgomery was last year – so we’ll see.
    ///

    Chip,

    Kahnle is more in the classic mold of short relief, as is Burawa, who I’m assuming you were thinking of. Both throw 97-98 and can hit triple digits, and both have a secondary pitch as well.

    Whitley, however, is no flame thrower, back-end type at all; he doesn’t have a big fastball remotely, and he’s a sinkerball/changeup type who they were experimenting with as a starter, probably because they see him as better material for long relief.

  200. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....s-of-texas

    “Meanwhile, the Rangers, just like the Yankees, are in heavy on Brian McCann. McCann may end up getting six years and $100 million because two of the biggest spenders on the market — the Yankees and the Rangers — both want him.”

    Six years? :mad:

    And then there is Texas again, driving up the price on Cano…

  201. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Now lets go back and try to figure out how all of this affects the Yanks and their roster in 2014.

    I think it’s pretty much a given that Arod goes to court in early January seeking a TRO. If Arod wins on the TRO, it’s safe to say they’ll be no suspension in 2014. There are a lot of permutations but I think that’s a pretty safe bet. If Arod loses on the TRO, and we should find out one way or the other soon after it is filed, he still has his regular lawsuit. This is where it gets a little tricky. The timing depends on what court he’s in. Suppose it’s federal court. MLB has 30 days to answer but will file a motion to dismiss well before that. Arod will have 20 days to answer the motion (assuming no extensions). MLB will have a few more days to respond to that. Then a hearing will have to be scheduled. It’s hard for me to believe that they’ll be a hearing before April on the motion to dismiss. Say it happens in April. You’ll probably have a decision in May. If Arod loses (which is most probable mind you), he’s pretty much done there. If he wins, then the lawsuit just continues throughout the year.

    So I guess, unless there’s some sort of settlement on the suspension, the best case scenario for when the Yanks can use Arod’s money is May.

  202. blake November 21st, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: Interesting, A-Rod said Bud wouldn’t have gone after him if he had just a one-year, $12M deal. Hmmm, who just signed one of those?

  203. blake November 21st, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    “Not true. Only an individual without financial means would fail to hire his or her own counsel when heading to litigation. The Union being there is independent of that. And as I’ve pointed out on several occasions, the Union’s actions in the entire Biogenesis matter is nothing short of bizarre.”

    Sure but don’t you think the union probAbaly refused to defend Alex the way he wanted to be? They wanted to cut a deal…..Alex didn’t

  204. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Just to be clear on this. Arod’s legal team has a very very strong argument in the prospective legal action to set aside the arbitration decision. Probably the best argument I’ve ever seen in this setting. But even so, I put their odds of success at no better than one in four or one in five.

    As I think some other poster pointed out, this is called ADR. Alternate Dispute Resolution. Courts pay extreme deference to ADR and arbitrations. Why? Because the parties (MLB and the Union) went to great lengths a long time ago to implement this system. And ADR is very important to the American justice system because it greatly reduces the strain on our court system.

    At the end of the day, it will come down to one person. The trial court judge who is assigned this case. He/she will have the final say. Not Horowitz, or Selig, or Arod or anyone else.

  205. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    “Sure but don’t you think the union probAbaly refused to defend Alex the way he wanted to be? They wanted to cut a deal…..Alex didn’t’

    Probably yes. But if Arod, or any other player were going to arbitration/litigation, they would always want their own counsel. Even when you are on the same page with the union, there are always subtle conflicts and it’s always smart to have your own counsel if you can afford one.

  206. Hankflorida November 21st, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Does any one remember that the Yankees went on homer drought this season, and we were counting the games that they didn’t hit homers on this blog? Does any one remember that it was the beginning of the end as the Yankees started to fall behind because of their lack of scoring runs? As it stands now, we have two home run bats on our roster in Text and Soriano. Am I missing someone?

  207. blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #STLCards targeting outfield depth from #Angels in return for Freese. Discussions do not include Aybar or #Cardinals’ top pitchers.

  208. blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Probably yes. But if Arod, or any other player were going to arbitration/litigation, they would always want their own counsel. Even when you are on the same page with the union, there are always subtle conflicts and it’s always smart to have your own counsel if you can afford one.”

    Yes and I’m not saying otherwise but to me it’s clear that the union and Arod aren’t on great terms with each other…..union seems to be doing the bare minimum required

  209. blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Lol at Gammons comparing Arod to the Boston bomber

  210. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Hankflorida November 21st, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    If Texas has the gold to sign Cano and Granderson is on his way to “The Second City,” the Yankees will start to resemble “The Gang Who Couldn’t Shoot Straight” in order to reach the wind tunnel that sucks the ball into the right field porch at the Stadium. I bring up the scene once again when Mo made a great pitch over the outside corner to Napoli and lost his save when Napoli just flicked his wrists and popped the ball into the right field seats. The look on Mo’s face was of such disbelief, and I can envision Hal putting all of his eggs into pitching and the look on those pitcher’s faces when they lose those games to the opposition because manufacturing runs doesn’t bring in enough runs to win in the bandbox they call home.
    ///

    Hank,

    I couldn’t agree more.

    I and a couple of others here have been warning of this for three years, now.

    Between Hal’s hold on the coffers and Cashman/Girardi’s naive, anti-Yankee Stadium zeal for “run prevention”, this great franchise has been brought to its knees.

    I said when Montero was traded, that their philosophy would play if their home park were Citifield, not Yankee Stadium.

    I have no idea how these people got the keys to the kingdom, but they have completely disavowed and reversed the Yankees’ fortunes over the last 3 years. To invoke a 90s internet-ism: Epic fail.

  211. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    blake, i think you’re looking at the union participation the wrong way. i think they’d like to be the lead or at least partners in directing how the appeal was done, but arod’s big guns have shoved them into a corner and ignored them. not that this is a bad strategy for arod, his interests and the unions are not in lockstep.

    also, as many have said, if the mlbpa goes beyond challenging the length of the suspension and goes to defending arod against any jda violation, they’re going to have to face alot of unhappy dues paying members.

  212. blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    “blake, i think you’re looking at the union participation the wrong way. i think they’d like to be the lead or at least partners in directing how the appeal was done, but arod’s big guns have shoved them into a corner and ignored them. not that this is a bad strategy for arod, his interests and the unions are not in lockstep.”

    Yes I agree….I just think the union is doing what’s required of then here and nothing more though. This whole charade Alex has taken it on isn’t something is guess they wanted……they wanted him to take a fair deal …..now supposedly a fake deal was never offered but Alex is now going all in that he did nothing wrong…..

  213. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    And all this Alex stuff has nothing to do with how miserably Cashman and Co. have steered the Yankees since 2010.

    I think YF said it yesterday (paraphrasing): you’d have to really try to screw things up to achieve this outcome.

    Think about where we were after that 2010 ALCS and think about where we are today.

    These people aren’t bad, they are downright incompetent, and yet there is zero accountability.

  214. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    I just received a bizarre email from the Yankees regarding an end of November special individual 2014 game pre-on sale. They never put tickets on sale this early, and who the heck is the team we are buying tix for? A couple of pitchers, Tex, Jeet Gardner and a dumpster diving outfield… ???

  215. jacksquat November 21st, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    The Union backed Arod in regards to the length of the suspension, they said it is ridiculous. They said they would have recommended accepting it if it were much lower, which is probably the prudent thing to do.

    This isn’t about whether Arod is guilty or not, as some people here fail to see, it’s about the length of the suspension, and the MLBPA supported Arod on that.

  216. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    And this pre-sale doesn’t even include OD… wonder if it is a premium seats sale??? I haven’t bothered to click to find out…

  217. blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    @pgammo: @craigcalcaterra It was a stupid, poorly worded comp of blowing up a process.Alex would never hurt a human . I hope I haven’t hurt him

    At least Pete is man enough to apologize

  218. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11......html?_r=0

    Good article in NYT on Cano. I, and many others on this site, have discussed this approach. Just say no to Cano. The Yanks have already won in this relationship. Sometimes it’s time to taken the chips off the table and treat yourself to a juicy steak and a nice bottle of wine. The road map to life without Cano is already out there in the Cards. Gosh that’s a lot of gambling metaphors :)

  219. Bret The Hitman November 21st, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    All these blockbuster trades are fine and dandy but we will trump them all when we trade the carcass of Alex Rodriguez for $33.5 M.

    Highway robbery.

  220. blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Peter is a Sox homer but seems like a good guy overall and I don’t think he really meant that Arod was like the Bomber……plus he’s a Tarheel so he has equity for that

  221. Bret The Hitman November 21st, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    I’d take MLB as my trading partner any day!!!

  222. Bret The Hitman November 21st, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Dumping Alex’s salary will be similar to what the Sox did with Adrian Gonzalez, Crawford and Beckett.

  223. blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    “The road map to life without Cano is already out there in the Cards. Gosh that’s a lot of gambling metaphors”

    If we can have the Cards farm system maybe…..there is a number Id walk away from Cano at but make no mistake…..if Cano leaves they won’t be very good in 2014 and probably not for a few years.

    It’s gonna be hard enough to compete next year WITH him…..

  224. Bret The Hitman November 21st, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Now if we can just plant some PEDS in Mark Teixeira’s juicer.

    The conspiracy will be complete.

  225. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    At least Pete is man enough to apologize
    ///

    Fake Pete has demonstrated more class.

  226. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Something to think about. By Feb 1 we will have completely forgotten about Arod. The Yanks won’t be able to use that money but we will have accepted that by then. Spring Training will be right around the corner and hope will spring eternal. Then sometime in late Spring or early Summer we’ll read a story about Arod’s litigation and we’ll probably just snore and move on and wonder whether Nuno can pitch his second consecutive shutout.

  227. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    I just received a bizarre email from the Yankees regarding an end of November special individual 2014 game pre-on sale. They never put tickets on sale this early, and who the heck is the team we are buying tix for? A couple of pitchers, Tex, Jeet Gardner and a dumpster diving outfield… ???
    ///

    Ha. My timing for getting out was on point. When I can look at an infield with guys like Andujar and Feliz/Gumbs, an Avellino at short, complemented by some decent acquired talent, I’ll consider coming back into the fold.

    But to quote C: until then “they get nothing!” (from me)

  228. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Too bad Kepner failed to mention how the Yankees could have had the foresight to deal Cano, Grandy, et al BEFORE they got to FA. They would have had a much greater return than a draft pick if they weren’t going to sign said player(s). It is unfortunately the Yankees’ own fault that they are in this position. As one of the few here who immediately voiced envy at the time that the Red Sox dumped off the big salaries, I reiterate, it didn’t have to be this way. Ditto, warning that the offense was in decline. Sigh.

  229. blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Fake Pete has demonstrated more class.”

    Well yea but that’s besides the point

  230. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    “The road map to life without Cano is already out there in the Cards. Gosh that’s a lot of gambling metaphors”

    If we can have the Cards farm system maybe…..there is a number Id walk away from Cano at but make no mistake…..if Cano leaves they won’t be very good in 2014 and probably not for a few years.

    It’s gonna be hard enough to compete next year WITH him…..”

    It’s hard to imagine any scenario where the Yanks are competitive next year and stay below 189. After all, Arod’s money will not be available. But if they truly are committed to 189 (and I’m not sure they are), it’s really illogical to sign Cano for more than 6 years. Maybe more than 5.

  231. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Pruf, it is a MasterCard Holiday Buy 2, Get 2 for free. As if…

    I miss Fake Pete and Real G.Love.

  232. Hankflorida November 21st, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    said when Montero was traded, that their philosophy would play if their home park were Citifield, not Yankee Stadium.

    Alfred, Montero who had opposite field power was a symbol of the change in strategy that was beginning to take hold in the board room in Tampa and without regard to the dimensions of the Stadium; if they are still bent on putting an offense that will try to manufacture runs because Punch and Judy hitters are more cost efficient, then we are in for a “Long Hot Summer.” Changing from a power laden team to one of speed and defense worked for the Brooklyn Dodgers when they moved from the bandbox of Ebbetts Field to Chavez Ravine, and it helped to have Koufax and Drysdale. If Hal chooses this route in his quest to get under the cap, then, as you say, the Yankees should share Citifield with the Mets as they once did at Shea.

  233. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Matthew Stucko MatthewStucko 14m
    .ElGarySanchez added to @Yankees 40-Man Roster. Watch what it’s like pitching to him according to other prospects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1oqd6IL2ZA

  234. blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    It’s hard to imagine any scenario where the Yanks are competitive next year and stay below 189. After all, Arod’s money will not be available. But if they truly are committed to 189 (and I’m not sure they are), it’s really illogical to sign Cano for more than 6 years. Maybe more than 5″

    Well the years doesn’t really matter for project 189…..it’s the AAV…..also 5 or 6 years from not the other bad money they have on the books will be gone

  235. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    I miss Fake Pete and Real G.Love.
    ///

    Yep. A huge loss. I understand his reasoning.

  236. blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    I think g love shall return one day

  237. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    “Well the years doesn’t really matter for project 189…..it’s the AAV…..also 5 or 6 years from not the other bad money they have on the books will be gone”

    The years absolutely do matter. That is the key point. Because a 5 or 6 year contract is probably an acceptable contract for Cano under any circumstances, whether you are in a rebuilding mode or think you can compete for a championship. Going over 6 years only makes sense if you think you can compete for a championship in 2014. That’s virtually impossible if your budget is 189 in 2014.

  238. blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    “The years absolutely do matter. ”

    Not for 189 it doesn’t if they truly mean for it to be a one time thing to reset the tax……whether it’s 5/125 or 8/200 it still cours as 25 million towards the luxury tax in 2014.

    As I said….if they rebuild correctly then by the end of Cano’s contract the other bad money should be gone and overpaying him shouldn’t be an issue. It all depends on Hal and his “vision”

  239. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Hank, Hal has already chosen the run prevention route complemented by dumpster diving platoon faux-hairies to save coin. It hasn’t exactly been working out on the field for a couple of years now… See COF (until they added Sori) and C and pitching obsession at the cost of O…

  240. blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    What I don’t think they should try is to let Cano walk AND try to contend in 2014 because I’m not sure that’s possible and they’d have to sacrifice the draft pick to even try it….. As I’ve said they either need to be all in or all out in 2014

  241. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 2m
    Heard #Yankees signed IF Yamaico Navarro to minor lge deal with invite to spring training

  242. blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Id be ok with them signing Cano and Tanaka and whatever filler they can get under 189 while keeping the draft pick …..that wouldn’t make them a contender likely but it also wouldn’t set them back further either

  243. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Alfred, Montero who had opposite field power was a symbol of the change in strategy that was beginning to take hold in the board room in Tampa and without regard to the dimensions of the Stadium; if they are still bent on putting an offense that will try to manufacture runs because Punch and Judy hitters are more cost efficient, then we are in for a “Long Hot Summer.” Changing from a power laden team to one of speed and defense worked for the Brooklyn Dodgers when they moved from the bandbox of Ebbetts Field to Chavez Ravine, and it helped to have Koufax and Drysdale
    ///

    Hank,

    I do not recall one columnist, a single beat writer, or any paid analyst of the sport anywhere putting the simple two plus two together that this “pitching wins/run prevention/pitch framing” poppy sniffing reversal might just be anathema to Yankee tradition/Yankee Stadium dimensions/Yankee success model.

    That is really curious, that it occurred to no one in any “official” capacity that this new approach was wildly, comically inappropriate for the Yankees.

    And I don’t have great hopes that the same tandem of Cashman/Eppler will be able to pull us out of this self-created, humiliating mediocrity.

    We sign a broken down, recycled Boston castoff for $12 million. His back breaks again.

    The Red Sox win the World Series.

    We? Out of postseason contention.

    How??

    I don’t see how desperation makes one smarter, I really don’t. You just have to hope the better prospects (who, of course, are further away)somehow survive further bungling from the same suspects, so that at least, we still a shot at a future.

  244. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    I’m off to lunch; have a good day, all.

  245. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    I think g love shall return one day
    ///

    I hope you are right and that I am wrong, but my sense is, unless the powers of Lohud gain a greater respect for their community, and police the site more responsibly, then posters like GLove who left in disgust are not just going to return to the same free-for-all in here.

    What I will miss most from GLove will be the visceral yet thoroughly undeceived, razor sharp fresh-from-game reflections. Didn’t always agree, but enjoyed the thoughtful, honest and keen perspectives communicated.

  246. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 21st, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    “This isn’t about whether Arod is guilty or not, as some people here fail to see, it’s about the length of the suspension, and the MLBPA supported Arod on that.”

    With Arod declaring that he’s not guilty, it is exactly about that. The fact that there was some negotiation in the beginning tells you that Arod was clearly acknowledging guilt. The fact that Arod did not like how that negotiation was going, and then hearing that the union said they recommended he take some kind of suspension, is where it all fell apart. Tacopina pulled the strings and Arod spoke the words.

    Then team Arod played angry bird, disparaging the union and saying that they believed that no suspension was in order.

    Union = some suspension
    Team Arod = no suspension

    Clearly they are not on the same page, but the union will still be there with him because he’s a dues-paying member of that local. That’s how it works.

  247. blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    @daynperry: Toys ‘R’ Us reduces price of A-Rod figurines from $15.99 to $1.00 http://t.co/kZq019quVX

  248. coney1 November 21st, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    “Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 8m
    Some rival evaluators believe that Shin-Soo Choo will now land in Detroit, to play LF. We’ll see.”

    ————

    I’m beginning to think the Yankees are going to strike out on most all or all of their targets. How does this sound as your Opening Day lineup because something like this is looking more and more likely: Gardner- CF, Jeter- DH, Teixeira- 1b, Soriano- LF, Reynolds- 3b, Ichiro- RF, Infante- 2b, Cervelli- c

  249. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    blake, i dont think that wasnt the reduction arod was looking for.

  250. blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    “Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 8m
    Some rival evaluators believe that Shin-Soo Choo will now land in Detroit, to play LF. We’ll see.”

    Dombrowski is smart so I could see that…..Kinsler+Choo is way better than Prince

  251. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Trisha, there’s also been a major shift in the philosophy of the union over the last few years. Under Fehr there’s no way that the Union would have allowed for testing much less suspensions. The new union leadership, responding to the will of the players, is now more willing to work with MLB on detection and punishment of PED users to help those players who are clean maintain their reputations rather than protect those in their ranks who are cheating.

    Alex wants and expects the old Union that he probably feels would have gone on strike before allowing the mass suspensions that we saw last year.

    Of course he always has the option of retiring entirely and going overseas to play…I don’t think the league or the union would be upset by that turn of events.

    His pathetic notion that they’re targeting him because of who he is is silly – he’s being targeted because he’s the only one left in this case.

  252. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    coney1 November 21st, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    “Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 8m
    Some rival evaluators believe that Shin-Soo Choo will now land in Detroit, to play LF. We’ll see.”

    ————

    I’m beginning to think the Yankees are going to strike out on most all or all of their targets.
    —————–

    Based on what? None of their targets have come off the board. Choo is a nice player but I’m not sure he’s what the Yankees need at this point.

  253. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    last night’s trade should shake things up and get some players moving around.

  254. blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    “Based on what? None of their targets have come off the board. Choo is a nice player but I’m not sure he’s what the Yankees need at this point.”

    Oh yea he’s what they need if they want to win next year ….or part of it….however that probably doesn’t mesh with Hals budget.

    Choo is basically like adding another Cano to the lineup….not quite but close

  255. Chip November 21st, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    “Based on what? None of their targets have come off the board. Choo is a nice player but I’m not sure he’s what the Yankees need at this point.”

    Oh yea he’s what they need if they want to win next year ….or part of it….however that probably doesn’t mesh with Hals budget.

    Choo is basically like adding another Cano to the lineup….not quite but close
    —————————

    I’ve never really been a big fan of Choo. I think he’s a nice player and lord knows he gets on base – but I’ve always seen him as more of a complimentary piece rather than a fixture. If you could get him for Nick Swisher money sure – but at $100 mil? I would just as soon go elsewhere.

  256. UnKnown November 21st, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Gammon’s says Alex is like the Boston Marathon Bombers.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....mbers.html

    Peter sounds like he would fit right in here. He can lead the rest of you sheep to gallows. :grin:

  257. Patrick November 21st, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    My offseason wishlist ..

    1. Re-sign Cano to a 7 year or less deal.

    2. Re-sign Kuroda to a 1 year deal.

    3. Win the posting for Tanaka (whenever that might happen) and sign him to a 4-6 year deal.

    4. Sign Brian McCann

    5. Sign either Beltran to a 2-3 year deal or Choo to as 4-5 year deal.

    6. If there is any money left take a look at Joe Nathan

    Maybe I’m being greedy in asking for all of this but if the Yankees have any hope of competing in 2014 they have a lot of work to do.

  258. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    “Id be ok with them signing Cano and Tanaka and whatever filler they can get under 189 while keeping the draft pick …..that wouldn’t make them a contender likely but it also wouldn’t set them back further either”

    It will set them back further if it’s an 8 year deal. Because bad contracts are bad for a franchise. Now if you could trade that off with a championship or even a close championship next year that may make some sense but at 189 that’s impossible even with Cano.

  259. blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    “I’ve never really been a big fan of Choo. I think he’s a nice player and lord knows he gets on base – but I’ve always seen him as more of a complimentary piece rather than a fixture. If you could get him for Nick Swisher money sure – but at $100 mil? I would just as soon go elsewhere.”

    You don’t like 20/20 with a .400 OBP? I don’t think he’s a 100 million dollar player either really cause he does have some warts and he’s 31……but he’s a very productive hitter and woukd help a ton if added to Cano

  260. blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Lets sign Choo and McCann and trade for Kemp!!!!scree the budget

  261. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    If this were the old, non-budget Yanks, after Cano, Choo makes the most sense. He’s a perfect addition to their lineup. Stick would smile.

  262. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 21st, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    “His pathetic notion that they’re targeting him because of who he is is silly – he’s being targeted because he’s the only one left in this case.”

    Of course it’s silly. Hopefully he’ll have a long time to think about the fact that if he had kept his word on what he said to the world in 2009, he wouldn’t have found himself in the position he’s currently in.

  263. blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    “It will set them back further if it’s an 8 year deal. Because bad contracts are bad for a franchise. Now if you could trade that off with a championship or even a close championship next year that may make some sense but at 189 that’s impossible even with Cano.”

    If they rebuild with Cano and do it right then overpaying him those last couple of years shouldn’t be a problem…..Tex, Arod, and Sabathia will all be gone by then.

    I get what you’re saying but a 5 year deal vs an 8 year deal won’t matter for years…..and hopefully they’d get their house in order by the time it does.

    8/200 is my limit…..Id go there gritting my teeth by again if done right that could be a contract that they can absorb those last 3 years

  264. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    I remember the old days like the mid 1980s when the first five Yanks in a lineup had a .400 plus OBP. Henderson, Randolph, Mattingly, Winfield and Clark (for a short time). When you pack guys like that together it’s almost impossible not to score.

  265. blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    If the Yankees are the Yankees they’ll spend Arods money and treat 189 as icing on the cake if it happens……I expect them to do nothing

  266. Patrick November 21st, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Lets sign Choo and McCann and trade for Kemp!!!!scree the budget

    Seriously, yes. Screw the budget, the Yankees are swimming in money.

  267. blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    If the Yankees trade for Kemp and sign Choo, Cano, and McCann then I’ll buy season tickets

  268. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    I see your point Blake. There’s a tipping point on contracts somewhere where reasonable people can differ. But remember, if you are in a 189 rebuilding, protect pick mode, you could also conceivably re-allocate Cano’s money more efficiently on younger players. Easier said then done but may be worth a try.

  269. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:54 pm
    “If the Yankees trade for Kemp and sign Choo, Cano, and McCann then I’ll buy season tickets”

    Me too. And I live in LA!

  270. blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    “Me too. And I live in LA!”

    I couldn’t probably go to a single game and I’ll still buy them if they do that…..hear that Hal!

  271. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    We have now signed Yamaico Navarro, another 26 year old infielder. Who needs quality when you can have quantity. We will have a dozen guys who can’t play infield for spring training.

    Sadly, these moves tell me there will be no good additions to the left isde of the infield. Look at all our insurance. The new team building motto is “they might be better than Adams.”

  272. blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    r”But remember, if you are in a 189 rebuilding, protect pick mode, you could also conceivably re-allocate Cano’s money more efficiently on younger players. Easier said then done but may be worth a try.”

    Who though? You can’t buy young players anymore…..they aren’t at the store to buy

  273. blake November 21st, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    “Sadly, these moves tell me there will be no good additions to the left isde of the infield. Look at all our insurance. The new team building motto is “they might be better than Adams.””

    You’d like to think it’s just for insurance and depth but the Yankees have done this for a few years now…..just get as many scrubs and you can and hope they add up to a good big leaguer. Doesn’t work like that

  274. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 2:57 pm
    r”But remember, if you are in a 189 rebuilding, protect pick mode, you could also conceivably re-allocate Cano’s money more efficiently on younger players. Easier said then done but may be worth a try.”

    “Who though? You can’t buy young players anymore…..they aren’t at the store to buy”

    How bout that young Cuban 2b the dodgers just signed? Or even that first baseman the White Sox got? Or the next guy coming down the line? You see they don’t even think like that anymore. And we as fans are getting used to that. That’s the sad thing.

  275. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Blake,

    Well said on the manner to proceed. Act as if AROD’s money is available and try to build a team. If he returns, so be it. If not, you have a team for under the cap.

    Will it happen. I see no reason to think it will. I foresee what is your worst fear–sign one meaningless free agent, lose the draft pick and be worse than last year.

    I essentially base all my forecasts on what is the worst thing they could do in the situation. Using that thought process, I am batting about .800.

  276. 86w183 November 21st, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    austinmac & Blake —- I’ve been saying all along they would not invest on the left side of the infield until/unless they know what the status of Jeter and A-Rod is. the organization is pretty weak in the middle IF, sop why not bring in some extra bodies?

    Have heard multiple industry people say Yanks interest in Peralta is very high. I hope that’s the case because he can hit and play a serviceable SS, 3B, LF or DH.

  277. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    I tell you the Old Man’s death was big moment for us as fans. Bigger than any of us realized at the time. Slowly and surely management has changed our expectations. The single mandate for a championship is almost never discussed any more. They even got some of us believing that 189 is actually a means to spend more money on players in the future when in reality it’s all about saving $40MM in payroll next year. You think George would ever think that way?

  278. blake November 21st, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    “How bout that young Cuban 2b the dodgers just signed? Or even that first baseman the White Sox got? ”

    Those are shots in the dark though….could bust just as easily as pan out

  279. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Now swallow this. The Yanks hit 189 and sometime next Summer a judge throws out Arod’s suit. The club saves over $70MM in payroll from the previous year. Fat City!!

  280. blake November 21st, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    “I tell you the Old Man’s death was big moment for us as fans. Bigger than any of us realized at the time. Slowly and surely management has changed our expectations. The single mandate for a championship is almost never discussed any more. They even got some of us believing that 189 is actually a means to spend more money on players in the future when in reality it’s all about saving $40MM in payroll next year. You think George would ever think that way?”

    Yup….here is the thing about George….he wasn’t always right and he didn’t always do the right thing….but his intentions on winning were never in question

  281. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    “How bout that young Cuban 2b the dodgers just signed? Or even that first baseman the White Sox got? ”

    “Those are shots in the dark though….could bust just as easily as pan out”

    I think the Cubans are on a hot streak :)

  282. blake November 21st, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    “Have heard multiple industry people say Yanks interest in Peralta is very high. I hope that’s the case because he can hit and play a serviceable SS, 3B, LF or DH.”

    He’s a good fit for them…..doesn’t cost the pick…can play multiple spots….and can hit a little

  283. blake November 21st, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    “I think the Cubans are on a hot streak ”

    They should sign Cano and sign all the Cubans too!

  284. Patrick November 21st, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Yanks should just buy Cuba imo

  285. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    “Yup….here is the thing about George….he wasn’t always right and he didn’t always do the right thing….but his intentions on winning were never in question.”

    That statement is 1000% true. What’s more, he not only put winning above profitability interests of his limited partners, but over the interests of his family as well. And in the mean time built a $4B franchise from one worth less than $20MM when he purchased it.

    You will never see an owner like that again.

  286. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Patrick November 21st, 2013 at 3:15 pm
    “Yanks should just buy Cuba imo”

    Think of how history would have changed if Castro had realized his dream and pitched for the Yanks instead of leading a revolution. Cuba would right now be the Yanks AAA farm team.

  287. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    I’d go for the package deal Cuba and Venezuela.

    Both can be had on the cheap.

    ;)

  288. blake November 21st, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    “That statement is 1000% true. What’s more, he not only put winning above profitability interests of his limited partners, but over the interests of his family as well. And in the mean time built a $4B franchise from one worth less than $20MM when he purchased it.”

    Hey he sold winning and star power and spent money to make a lot more money. Hal is trying to run the Yankees like one of his hotels…..it’s not the same thing

  289. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    MTU November 21st, 2013 at 3:21 pm
    I’d go for the package deal Cuba and Venezuela.

    Both can be had on the cheap.

    Yea but the Chavez guy all field no hit.

  290. joeman November 21st, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    just saying the teams best trade chip right now is DRob

  291. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    “Now swallow this. The Yanks hit 189 and sometime next Summer a judge throws out Arod’s suit. The club saves over $70MM in payroll from the previous year. Fat City!!”

    Think of Levine’s bonus then. I think the question that was asked to Levine in the arbitration was does he get a commission if the team hits 189? I’ve done a lot of Wall Street investigations in my day. It’s not a commission. It’s a bonus. Of course the proper answer would be “that’s for my boss to decide.”

  292. joeman November 21st, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Peralta..just what they need another known PED user

  293. blake November 21st, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    joeman says:
    November 21, 2013 at 3:29 pm
    just saying the teams best trade chip right now is DRob

    Id say Nova

  294. joeman November 21st, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    joeman says:
    November 21, 2013 at 3:29 pm
    just saying the teams best trade chip right now is DRob

    Id say Nova

    ——————————
    could be

  295. pat November 21st, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    EricFisherSBJ
    MLB distributes $62.7M in postseason money, down 4 pct from last yr’s record total. This yr’s figure is 2nd best in history

  296. pat November 21st, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Rivera said his former teammate, Robinson Cano, has asked his advice about the free-agent process and while Rivera decided to spend his entire career as a Yankee, he wouldn’t necessarily urge Cano to do the same.

    “I just want him to, and I’ve told him this before, so I can say this freely: I want him to do what is right and what is good for him. Not for others. For him.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z2lJVqVUc3

  297. blake November 21st, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    @MrBrianKenny: Moore can not comment – says physical needed..on trade that will be announced.

    Sounds like Royals about to make a trade

  298. blake November 21st, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    @JeffPassan: Sources: Royals sign LHP Jason Vargas. Was seeking a three-year deal.

  299. blake November 21st, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    I wouldn’t think they’d make a big to do over signing Jason Vargas

  300. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Blake-

    Lefty innings eater.

    Back end guy.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if Nuno could the same or better.

    ;)

  301. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Blake-

    Like Spam ?

    That’s Vargas.

    :)

  302. blake November 21st, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    MTU,
    Yea he’s ok but nothing special

  303. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Nothing special at all.

    His chief virtues are that he’s a lefty and that he eats innings.

    As far as being good. Forget that.

    Strictly a #5 type in my book.

  304. blake November 21st, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #Royals sign free-agent LHP Jason Vargas to four-year, $32M contract.

    Wow….and people don’t think Cano will get 200 million?

  305. pat November 21st, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    More years than he was looking for…….

    Royals
    The #Royals have signed free agent LHP Jason Vargas to a four-year contract. Vargas was 9-8 with the Angels last season.

  306. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Blake-

    That’s amazing.

    8 mil per for a #5 type guy.

    I think he will Blake.

  307. blake November 21st, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Angels screwed up not making the QO to Vargas

  308. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    The Royals have had some nice arms pass through.

    Maybe they should think about trying to keep some of them ?

    Or trading them before they reach their move on date.

    This is something the Rays appear very skilled at.

    ;)

  309. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Blake-

    Angels have been screwing up a lot of things lately.

    Which kind of makes me happy.

    :)

  310. blake November 21st, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Hughes is smiling somewhere

  311. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Blake-

    I really did not doubt that Hughes would get a multi-year pact somewhere.

    We both know he is better than he showed last season.

    I actually think there is still a chance he develops into the type of Pitcher the Yankees hoped he would be.

    The split is the key for him.

    I hope he masters it.

    Shame it took so long for him to be instructed in it’s use.

    :(

  312. mick November 21st, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Lately something tells me Grandy will be back.
    He’s a better choice than Choo or Beltran.
    An OF of Soriano, Gardner and Granderson aint bad.
    Get McCann and Cano, bid 100m for Tanaka and let’s go.

  313. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    And the Yankees may have screwed up by not making a QO to him ?

    Guess we’ll see.

    ;)

  314. mick November 21st, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    At this point they can make Phelps and Warren 4 & 5.

  315. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Mick-

    What kind of deal are we talking about for the Grandyman ?

    By the way, if your plan includes Hiroki too I think that puts you well over.

    Unless you are also assuming a full season for the Rod (I don’t).

  316. Patrick November 21st, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Dayton Moore is a stupid man.

  317. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Mick-

    They could consider that but I don’t think they’d ever do it.

    I think they learned that lesson.

    Not installing to inexperienced Pitchers in the Ro at the same time anymore.

  318. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    sp: two

  319. mick November 21st, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Gardy CF
    Jeter SS
    McCann C
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Soriano LF
    Grandy RF
    Reynolds 3B
    Ichiro DH

  320. mick November 21st, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Not installing to inexperienced Pitchers in the Ro at the same time anymore.
    ========================
    If Hal must get his 189 he might have to.

  321. blake November 21st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Patrick says:
    November 21, 2013 at 4:26 pm
    Dayton Moore is a stupid man.

    He continued his run of “doing something negligible” to sorta improve

  322. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Then he’ll suffer the consequences.

    But I still don’t think they’ll try it.

  323. mick November 21st, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    If its the money then pass on Kuroda, Jiminez but get Tanaka.
    Forget Peralta, go w/ Reynolds and Nunez at 3rd.
    Give Phelps his job back and Warren a shot.

    CC, Nova,Tanaka, 1-2-3.

  324. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    CC
    Nova
    Tanaka
    Phelps
    Warren/Nuno

    That would be extremely risky.

    Can’t see it.

    3 inexperienced Pitchers in the same rotation.

    Not happening.

  325. mick November 21st, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    wonder what my lineup adds up ? anybody?

  326. mick November 21st, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    So get an insurance policy like Colon.
    There’s always Sweaty Freddy.

  327. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Mick-

    They need Kuroda.

    He is going to be the glue that helps keep the rotation together.

    And he’ll be Tanaka’s Mentor.

    ;)

  328. blake November 21st, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/jamiso.....d?s=mobile

    So true

  329. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Colon wants a multi-year contract.

    Don’t think he’ll do it for a yr. deal.

    I would not give him any more than that.

  330. Hans Davenport November 21st, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    UpState November 21st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    ….despite his detractors…

    Dean Anna batted .331 – regardless of what league he played in…
    Seriously? At the age of 26 in the PCL Bubba Crosby Batted .361.
    Age 26, PCL,? Is there some common denominator here? Crosby, Bubba Crosby? Anyone know where this guy is?

  331. Patrick November 21st, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    He continued his run of “doing something negligible” to sorta improve

    I can’t even formulate my thoughts to rip this deal, it’s just that silly.

  332. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    As distasteful as it seems, I’ve believed that Tacopina, for most part, has been correct in his legal strategy. But this last maneuver, closing the case and heading to federal court because Selig won’t testify, is highly questionable. In that vein, saying Arod won’t testify unless Selig does makes little legal or strategic sense either. This all now begins to appear that Arod really was never serious about the arbitration process and was intent on going to federal court from the beginning. This will undercut the argument that Arod seeking extraordinary relief in federal court is the result of a biased arbitration panel and likewise will not encourage a district court judge to enter as ruling that effectively supersedes the arbitration process and the collective bargaining agreement between Major League Baseball and the Player’s Union. I don’t believe Arod should have testified anyway but his testimony shouldn’t be contingent on Selig’s since their respective probative value is unrelated.

  333. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Hans-

    Too bad he didn’t join his brother “Santa” in the Mexican League.

    :)

  334. blake November 21st, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    “I can’t even formulate my thoughts to rip this deal, it’s just that silly.”

    It’s just another meaningless thing they do…..the royals could be good probably with just a little effort by ownership…..they do the same stuff every year

  335. blake November 21st, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    “As distasteful as it seems, I’ve believed that Tacopina, for most part, has been correct in his legal strategy. But this last maneuver, closing the case and heading to federal court because Selig won’t testify, is highly questionable”

    Kinda risky too right? I mean there is no guanantee a court will even take the case

  336. blake November 21st, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Vargas wanted 3 years and got 4….Id call that win

  337. joeman November 21st, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Grandy RF
    Reynolds 3B
    ——————————–
    that’s well over 350 K’s combine

  338. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    For Vargas. Yeah.

    :)

  339. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Maybe Hal will wake up one morning and realize he is the Son of GMS ?

    And not a Trump.

    :)

  340. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    And find his inner Steinbrenner.

    Instead of his inner Melchior.

    ;)

  341. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    “As distasteful as it seems, I’ve believed that Tacopina, for most part, has been correct in his legal strategy. But this last maneuver, closing the case and heading to federal court because Selig won’t testify, is highly questionable”

    “Kinda risky too right? I mean there is no guanantee a court will even take the case”

    It’s not just risky. It’s high risk strategy without any discernible benefit. It’s one thing for Arod to slam his fist and go home. It’s quite another for his lawyers to effectively do the same thing.

    Tomorrow should be interesting though when Team Arod releases “all” their evidence.

  342. Wave Your Hat November 21st, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    ” This all now begins to appear that Arod really was never serious about the arbitration process and was intent on going to federal court from the beginning.”

    I just can’t believe that. ARod has, or had, every chance of winning on points (getting the suspension reduced to a Braun level). I’m getting the feeling ARod is calling the shots here, not his legal team.

  343. Patrick November 21st, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    After the year Hughes had I wouldn’t sign him to 1 year 8 million. But given what Vargas just got I could see him getting at least a similar deal right?

  344. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    I recently had the pleasure and the opportunity to Photograph the famous “Missing Man” formation.

    What a privilege to see it in action.

    It was awe inspiring.

    Have a look see :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/Nov212013?authkey=Gv1sRgCPS5h9mCmp287gE#

    :)

  345. blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    @TBrownYahoo: There is growing optimism the A-Rod hearings could conclude today. Still to be determined. Arbitrator has 25 days to decide.

  346. Warning Track Power November 21st, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Two Words everybody here needs to understand in this case:
    Selective Justice
    Those are the two words everybody needs to repeat over and over until the words
    make 100% sense.

    ARod gets 211 games-why?
    Braun gets 65 games-why?
    Some guys have received zero games(Bonds, McGwire)-why?

  347. blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    “I just can’t believe that. ARod has, or had, every chance of winning on points (getting the suspension reduced to a Braun level). I’m getting the feeling ARod is calling the shots here, not his legal team.”

    It would appear but if he’s leaving wouldn’t that suggest he’s been bluffing the whole time…..he’s basically taking his ball and going home so he doesn’t have to testify under oath and can continue to claim he’s innocent

  348. blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Patrick says:
    November 21, 2013 at 5:00 pm
    After the year Hughes had I wouldn’t sign him to 1 year 8 million. But given what Vargas just got I could see him getting at least a similar deal right?

    I would so long as Yankee Stadium or somewhere similar wasn’t my home park

  349. Patrick November 21st, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    I would so long as Yankee Stadium or somewhere similar wasn’t my home park

    It could just be that I’m still bitter over lost potential when it comes to Hughes.

  350. blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Career era +

    Hughes: 95
    Vargas : 91

  351. Wave Your Hat November 21st, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    “he’s basically taking his ball and going home so he doesn’t have to testify under oath and can continue to claim he’s innocent”

    blake, I don’t believe he ever intended to testify and I find it hard to believe his lawyers would want him to.

  352. Hans Davenport November 21st, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    MTU November 21st, 2013 at 4:46 pm
    Hans-

    Too bad he didn’t join his brother “Santa” in the Mexican League.

    :)

    It’s hard to get excited over too many more 26 year old AAAA hitters.

  353. yankinvegas November 21st, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    I’m trying hard to stay positive. No one of any real value to us has signed yet, but I have a funny feeling that that the Yanks are going to sit this one out.
    They will say that there is no value out there and mention all the money that will be saved so it can be reinvested in the team.
    My personal experience with working for a son after the dad died is not good. I hope that I’m wrong and the Yankees don’t go parallel to the company I worked for, but many times the kids who grew up rich simply don’t have the motivation and desire that the parent had.
    Might be watching a lot of Yankee classics in the next few years.

  354. blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    “blake, I don’t believe he ever intended to testify and I find it hard to believe his lawyers would want him to.”

    Me neither….. I wish MLB had called their bluff and had Selig there ready to testify today….but of course not

  355. Warning Track Power November 21st, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:10 pm
    “blake, I don’t believe he ever intended to testify and I find it hard to believe his lawyers would want him to.”

    Me neither….. I wish MLB had called their bluff and had Selig there ready to testify today….but of course not
    ——————————————————————————
    MLB won’t do that because they fully understand they are not innocent either.
    Both parties are guilty to a certain degree. Just a matter of who is the guiltiest of the bunch.

    If MLB has the goods on ARod, then now is the perfect time to lay the cards on the table.
    Expose the man for the “cheater” they keep saying he is. If they don’t want to show the evidence, then shut up for the rest of their lives and let’s move on.

    ARod does not have to show his cards. The accuser needs to. For months MLB has issued threat after threat against ARod, the evidence they paid felons for, etc….
    Still we sit here today and not a single piece of evidence against ARod has been shown to the public.

  356. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Salaries are going up. Competition is strong. It is a bad time to need free agents to fill 7-8 spots, particularly for a budget slashing team. We need all those replacements via free agency unless we go the AAAA route. Yet, Hal says he intends in this environment to be competitive while reducing payroll by over 20%.

    Nice planning management. This is going to go well.

  357. blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    I do think it’s time for MLB to show their cards…..

  358. mick November 21st, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    ARod gets 211 games-why?
    ==================
    They will show their hand soon, maybe tomorrow.

  359. Warning Track Power November 21st, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Mick
    Tomorrow huh? I hope they really do. I’m on team ARod but even I would welcome
    MLB’s threat to show the evidence they have against ARod.

    Dollars to donuts MLB won’t show a darn thing and have a list of excuses at the ready
    to explain why they can’t proceed.

  360. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    WTP,

    The arbitration process prohibits the parties from making the evidence public. Just because we haven’t seen it, tells us nothing.

  361. blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Arod and his lawyers basically are giving up in the hearing…..seems like a Hail Mary to me…..they can say what they want but to me them pulling this stunt suggests they got nothing and they are trying to put the system on trial to deflect.

  362. Wave Your Hat November 21st, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    “I do think it’s time for MLB to show their cards…..”

    I assume they have, in the arbitration. I’m not sure they ever will to us. I don’t expect much of real substance to be publicly divulged by either side.

  363. mick November 21st, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Gardy CF
    Jeter SS
    McCann C
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Soriano LF
    Grandy RF
    Reynolds 3B
    Ichiro DH
    =========
    Can someone who has the time please add the salaries up and tell us where we stand?
    An educated guess on McCann and Grandy is acceptable.

  364. blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    I assume they have, in the arbitration. I’m not sure they ever will to us. I don’t expect much of real substance to be publicly divulged by either side.”

    Oh it’ll come out eventually….the truth always does sooner or later

  365. Wave Your Hat November 21st, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    “Arod and his lawyers basically are giving up in the hearing…”

    We don’t know that, blake. I would assume the legal team has been arguing in the alternative (.i.e., he’s not guilty, but if you decide he is the penalty is too harsh) all along.

  366. blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    “Can someone who has the time please add the salaries up and tell us where we stand?
    An educated guess on McCann and Grandy is acceptable.”

    Well Cano, McCann and Granderson is gonna cost you somewhere around 50-60 million…..and we know they only have 50 to spend unless Arods suspension is upheld …..so that’s over the limit just for a lineup that’s not much better than 2013 and no help in pitching

  367. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Yankinvegas,

    I have the same feeling probably based on waiting for the last three years for the team to take action to no avail. They will probably show their shrewd prudence once again and get that good value on the dollar you get from a Hafner type.

  368. Wave Your Hat November 21st, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    “Oh it’ll come out eventually….the truth always does sooner or later”

    When Boesch writes his memoirs.

  369. blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    “We don’t know that, blake. I would assume the legal team has been arguing in the alternative (.i.e., he’s not guilty, but if you decide he is the penalty is too harsh) all along.”

    I thought they all left? Davidoff tweeted that the thing might be over today

  370. Wave Your Hat November 21st, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    “Well Cano, McCann and Granderson is gonna cost you somewhere around 50-60 million…..and we know they only have 50 to spend unless Arods suspension is upheld …..so that’s over the limit just for a lineup that’s not much better than 2013 and no help in pitching”

    That lineup would be a major bet that Jeter can play short and CC can be effective. Seems like a draw to an inside straight to me, though.

  371. Wave Your Hat November 21st, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    “I thought they all left? Davidoff tweeted that the thing might be over today”

    I just meant the proceedings have been going on for a while and the groundwork for both alternatives already covered. I simply can’t believe they would put all their eggs in the “innocent” basket, unless, of course, ARod as client demanded it.

    Which, of course, you can’t rule out. I wonder when the last time was when anyone told ARod anything ARod didn’t want to hear.

  372. Warning Track Power November 21st, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 5:16 pm
    WTP,

    The arbitration process prohibits the parties from making the evidence public. Just because we haven’t seen it, tells us nothing.
    ——————————————————————–
    I’m sorry but that is not good enough.
    This is an extraordinary case and I think the public, the baseball fans deserve to know
    what the evidence is against ARod.

    Right now I can picture Selig curled up in the corner, shivering and probably crying into his tissue because the man is terrified the public will soon see for themselves Bud is a hypocrite himself.

  373. mick November 21st, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    How is that lineup slightly better than last years?
    Mccann, Tex and Grandy were not there, not to mention Jeter.

  374. blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    “Mccann, Tex and Grandy were not there, not to mention Jeter.”

    It’d be better….just probably not better enough

  375. mick November 21st, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    its much better.

  376. mick November 21st, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    That lineup isn’t even 100m.

  377. blake November 21st, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    mick says:
    November 21, 2013 at 5:31 pm
    That lineup isn’t even 100m.

    Doesn’t matter…they can’t fit it under the cap unless Aeods suspension is upheld and even then it doesn’t address the current terrible rotation

  378. pete2 November 21st, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    I think Arods and his legal teams strategy of pulling a hissy fit was brilliant. It puts Horowitz on the hot seat because he has no really good explanation for denying Arods team a chance to question the guy who decided on the suspension length and will have a hard time explaining that to a judge since Bud and other commissioners have testified in previous arbitration cases.

    The length of the suspension is really the key to this hearing and the suit filed in state/federal courts.

    So Horowitz now knows without a doubt that he himself will be part of a lawsuit after the hearing unless he significantly reduces the suspension. Maybe MLB has him covered for this eventuality, but if not, Arod probably gets the suspension dropped to 100 games or less. and will have no need to go after Horowitz.

  379. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    WTP,

    It may not be good enough but those are the rules. They cannot be ignored just because one thinks they should. I wonder if AROD’s radio outburst subjects him to further sanctions. I also wonder if his calling the MLB system crooked if he violated the best interests of baseball provision.

    Alex may be walking out onto some thin ice.

  380. mick November 21st, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Doesn’t matter…they can’t fit it under the cap unless Aeods suspension is upheld and even then it doesn’t address the current terrible rotation
    ==========================
    What’s wrong with CC, Nova ,Tanaka. Phelps and a 5th starter?

  381. Pat M. November 21st, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    mick. it’s about the 5th , 6th & 7th starter that is a real concern. This 189 thing is like parking a Lincoln Town Car in a compact only spot and hoping you don’t door dings, it ain’t happening

  382. joeman November 21st, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Tanaka isn’t going to happen

  383. blake November 21st, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Doesn’t matter…they can’t fit it under the cap unless Aeods suspension is upheld and even then it doesn’t address the current terrible rotation
    ==========================
    What’s wrong with CC, Nova ,Tanaka. Phelps and a 5th starter?

    Can’t afford tanaka if you do all that other stuff

  384. tomingeorgia November 21st, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    I’ve tried to keep quiet, but I can’t any more. If the Yankees come in at $200 million, they’ll pay $5.5 million in tax. BFD, go for it.

  385. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Wow… these contracts are looking huge. Hughes will probably end up with a decent deal after all is said and done.

    Cano is getting $200 million from someone.

    Choo is a $20 million AAV player.

    And they’re already talking 6 years for McCann.

    “I’d like everybody’s attention.

    Christmas is canceled.” – Michael Scott

  386. joeman November 21st, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    really need to forget about Tanaka..they won’t move on him

  387. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Come join us on the dark side, tom.. I think we stole Doreen..

  388. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Phelps pitched like 80 innings last year and 90 the year before.. I know he pitched a bit more the year before that but penciling him in as your 5th starter is optimistic enough, forget about him being your 4th starter.

  389. blake November 21st, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    @KenDavidoff: The A-Rod arbitration case against #MLB has concluded.

  390. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Tom – I actually hadn’t thought of it that way… I’m all in!!

  391. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    I’m gonna crack the f*ck up if they end up with a $190 million payroll.

  392. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    @KenDavidoff: The A-Rod arbitration case against #MLB has concluded.

    ——————

    The centaur rides eternal.

  393. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    I’m gonna crack the f*ck up if they end up with a $190 million payroll.

    —————————

    especially if its because someone calculating payroll in the FO forgot to carry the 1 :D

  394. Bret The Hitman November 21st, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    @KenDavidoff: The A-Rod arbitration case against #MLB has concluded.

    ________________

    NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    I was just starting to enjoy it!

    :lol:

  395. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Random thoughts: Good to see Patrick around the last couple of days.

  396. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    especially if its because someone calculating payroll in the FO forgot to carry the 1 :D

    ————————-

    This used to be the kind of joke we’d make about the Mets… smh.

  397. Wave Your Hat November 21st, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Exceeding $189M by a penny would scotch the revenue sharing rebate and leave them exposed to the 45% in 2015 and beyond.

  398. tomingeorgia November 21st, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Shame,
    I can’t keep up with all the trade and free agent proposals, and I certainly don’t have access to the Yankees’ books. Don’t have a clue how the Arod business ends up. All I want to do is watch meaningful games next summer. Spend some bucks to keep me interested. I’ve already joined Team Greedy.

  399. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    In this market, wtf is Grandy going to get…??

  400. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    A lot of us didn’t think Grandy would get the same AAV as that QO… pretty sure he gets more than that now. Pence at an $18 AAV.. Choo probably $20.. Grandy at $15-17???

    Thank god we have Vernon Wells for free. :|

  401. Pat M. November 21st, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    One of the upside to stormy days in So Cal is that the golf courses aren’t very busy so the 19th hole is a great place for drinks and baseball talk. Had the chance to talk with a pal who works in the Phillies organization today. Interesting take on what some in the industry think about the NY Yankees. First is that many feel that Hal is not comfortable ( nor very trusting ) with the baseball people who have been there for awhile. His main confident is an ex-political city hall mouthpiece ( Randy Levine the lawyer ) who has far more clout in the decision making that his General Manager. And it’s been that way for several years, it’s almost as though Brian Cashman is simply a chauffer for the Yanks. He follows directions and takes orders.

  402. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    Gardner was on YES just now and mentioned he had some leg issues last year and would have liked to run more. Says he plans to get more of that in his game next year.

  403. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    Mister Tom-

    Being a former military member you will enjoy my post at 5PM.

    In fact, I’m sure you’ll get a real kick out of it.

    ;)

  404. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Pat M.-

    I can’t say I’m the least bit surprised.

    Cashman was neutered a while ago.

    Resembles a Gelding more than a Stallion.

    That said, Levine should stick to what he knows best and leave the baseball decisions to the baseball
    people.

    Hal has the wrong bird whispering in his ear.

    And he is taking the wrong advice if that’s true.

    :(

  405. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Pat M – It’s sad but I don’t think any of us would be surprised by that…

  406. mick November 21st, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Kuroda is more likely than Tanaka.
    I would go with CC, Nova, Kuroda, a ?? and Phelps.

  407. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Lol, MTU said it better than I did.

  408. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    According to the panel on YES, Choo is not a good fit for the Yankees because he doesn’t hit lefties.

  409. mick November 21st, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Not advocating for the 1-8-9 just playing with numbers.

  410. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    YES panel pushing for Beltran on a 2 year deal (which they acknowledge might not work cause he’ll be pushing for 3).

    Meredith thinks Grandy should come back instead. She knows he strikes out a lot but he has proven power in YS.

  411. mick November 21st, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Grandy has a better chance of coming here than Choo or Beltran.

  412. tomingeorgia November 21st, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Mister MTU,
    Did the missing man fall off the cliff?

  413. mick November 21st, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    mick. it’s about the 5th , 6th & 7th starter that is a real concern.
    ============
    pat m…that should be the worst of our troubles.

    sort of like swinging 3-0 bags full ;)

  414. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    This used to be the kind of joke we’d make about the Mets… smh.

    ————————-

    Didn’t mean to be a wet blanket… :)

  415. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Tom-

    I was the missing Man.

    I needed to take the photo.

    But who knows what my “ham” friends were contemplating.

    Perhaps they were wishing I’d take a flying leap.

    All of us were well lubricated.

    :)

  416. tomingeorgia November 21st, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    MTU,
    That’s exactly how to look at such a grand vista. I’ll be there one day.

  417. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Tom-

    Yeah. But you have to be extra careful of the edges.

    Next time I go I’m hiking down to the Colorado.

    That was sort of a recon mission.

    :)

  418. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Until I joined the blog a few months ago, I always took the phrase “take a hike” as derogatory… Now, not so much :)

  419. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Chicken-

    I get it all the time.

    And of course I gladly oblige.

    ;)

  420. DaSaint007 November 21st, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Just when the arbitration circus was getting interesting…

    Oh well, my Christmas will be complete as follows:
    Granderson 4/$80M
    Kuroda 2/$30M
    McCann 5/$100M
    Tanaka 5/$75 (care less about the posting fee)
    and a trade for Lowrie if not Peralta drops off the board.

  421. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Saint-

    That is more like breaking into Ft. Knox.

    ;)

  422. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Of course we know that wouldn’t work either since their is no gold. Just a bunch of IOU’s.

    :)

  423. austinmac November 21st, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Evidently, according to Marchand, the Yankees will not spend any savings in arbitration since there will be an appeal. So if MLB wins an appeal of 211 games, Hal can stick an extra thirty million in his wallet when the salaries total $158M. Way to go Hal.

  424. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    ed: there. not their.

  425. mick November 21st, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Innocent till proven guilty, remember?

  426. blake November 21st, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    @mikeaxisa: Oh geez, Michael Weiner passed away?

    Really? RIP if so…..unfortunate he had to be tied up in this Arod fiasco

  427. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    That’s what I’ve been saying Mac. Arod’s litigation challenging the arbitration probably won’t be over until after the season starts. So the effective budget is really less than $160MM. That’s 80MM in savings over last year. Think of Levine’s bonus :)

  428. blake November 21st, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    @JeffPassan: Very sad to learn of the passing of Michael Weiner. One of the smartest, kindest and most compassionate people I came across in baseball.

  429. DaSaint007 November 21st, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    MTU November 21st, 2013 at 7:26 pm
    Saint-

    That is more like breaking into Ft. Knox.
    ——————

    MTU, I know. I did say it was my Christmas wish, right?

  430. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    He was very very sick. And unfortunately, I think it affected his work. It will be interesting to see if his replacement is more in the Miller/Fehr mode.

  431. blake November 21st, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    @JeffPassan: RT @TBrownYahoo: I’m told Horowitz (A-Rod arbitrator) will not be held to 25 days. Expect a decision perhaps not until after the holidays.

  432. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    Blake-

    Isn’t that special.

    :(

  433. DaSaint007 November 21st, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    I’m not giving up a pick for Beltran, and I’m not giving him 3 years, irrespective of his post-season heroics. Much rather have Granderson for 4 or god-forbid 5. Plus he’s an amazing goodwill guy.

  434. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Horowitz needs to give each side time to file summation briefs. After receiving those, he will decide very quickly. He does not have to draft an opinion with findings or anything like that. We’ll probably know his decision by Dec 10.

  435. mick November 21st, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Grandy is smart enough to know NY is where it’s at.

  436. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    @JeffPassan: RT @TBrownYahoo: I’m told Horowitz (A-Rod arbitrator) will not be held to 25 days. Expect a decision perhaps not until after the holidays.

    ———-

    What a croc of sh!t… In what bizarro world is 25 days not enough time?

  437. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Grandy will do like 99% of them do and go where the money is.

    ;)

  438. blake November 21st, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    “Horowitz needs to give each side time to file summation briefs. After receiving those, he will decide very quickly. He does not have to draft an opinion with findings or anything like that. We’ll probably know his decision by Dec 10.”

    I think I read the summations didn’t have to be in til the 11rh

  439. blake November 21st, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    I could decide with half an hour

  440. mick November 21st, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    maybe he’s a 1 % er.

  441. mick November 21st, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    The ARod hearing is over. Now the two sides write summary briefs, turn in by 12/11, respond by 12/21, then it’s up to arbitrator Horowitz.”

  442. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Mick-

    Not likely.

    He’s from the Chicago area.

  443. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    “think I read the summations didn’t have to be in til the 11rh”

    That sounds like an awful long time. Two weeks is about right. Maybe that was when they thought the trial would end next week. But if the 11th is the day, he’ll have an answer by the 15th. I’m sure he could tell us now but doesn’t want to appear impetuous.

  444. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    mick November 21st, 2013 at 7:46 pm
    The ARod hearing is over. Now the two sides write summary briefs, turn in by 12/11, respond by 12/21, then it’s up to arbitrator Horowitz.”

    Wow, that’s a pretty extensive briefing schedule. Rebuttals too. So we are looking then first week of January. Then Arod will file his petition then around the 15th I suppose.

  445. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Should have a TRO hearing and decision soon after Arod files. So we’ll know by late Jan if Arod is the Yanks’ third baseman in April.

  446. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Why do they need until 12/11 for the summations? Seems pretty simple:

    MLB – He’s guilty. We know he’s guilty. Plus, he threw a hissy fit like a 10 year old

    Arod – Bud wouldn’t have brunch with me

  447. blake November 21st, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    So if Arod appeals this thing then chances are that’s gonna last into spring training at least right? That’ll be fun

  448. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    This Arod fiasco will show if Hal is a phony or not.
    He can’t wait on Arod to determine if he wants to make this team better.
    We will know soon enough…

    McCann should be his 1st move.

  449. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    I read in an article in Yahoo sports that there was a group including a NY state Senator holding a prayer vigil outside MLB offices in protest of the proposed discipline of Arod… SMH. I’m thinking there are much more worthy causes for a prayer vigil

  450. blake November 21st, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    I agree we will see who Hal really is now…..because the Arod money is on the books for the near future…..can’t count on it being gone

  451. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Trying to make complex look simple :::

    So Alex doesnt testify unless Bud does.

    Alex maintains innocence.

    Bud remains at home.

    No actual proof provided by MLB.

    Horowitz rules against Alex – recommends the 211.

    Alex appeals.
    ———————————

    Who does he appeal to ?

    Does the Panel / Horowitz have the power to actually enforce the 211 ?

    If Alex appeals…is he able to play while an appeal is going on ?

  452. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Mick-

    I agree. Total BS to let the Team be bamboozled by this dog and pony show.

    I hope it doesn’t go down that way.

  453. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    This is the appeal.
    Next stop Federal or State court.

  454. blake November 21st, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    “Does the Panel / Horowitz have the power to actually enforce the 211 ?

    If Alex appeals…is he able to play while an appeal is going on ?”

    I think they’d have to get a court to issue an injunction right?

  455. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 8:07 pm
    I read in an article in Yahoo sports that there was a group including a NY state Senator holding a prayer vigil outside MLB offices in protest of the proposed discipline of Arod… SMH. I’m thinking there are much more worthy causes for a prayer vigil

    ======================

    If they’re there…they should focus their vigil in honor of Michael Weiner…

    RIP.

  456. blake November 21st, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Hopefully Horwirtz will rule all 211 games and no courts agree to stop it.

  457. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    Total BS to let the Team be bamboozled by this dog and pony show.
    ================
    MTU

    Getting McCann has nothing to do with this mess.
    If they go over, reset it another year.

  458. Against All Odds November 21st, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    R.I.P. Michael Weiner

  459. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    More and more reasons to dislike A-Rod and the process in general.

    As Mick said, it’s up to Hal to prevent the Team from being paralyzed by this.

    And also by the Cano negotiations.

    A strong play for Tanaka would go far to soothe the masses.

  460. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Upstate – nice thought

  461. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    If no one knows the evidence then what does a court have to go on to stop it?
    This isn’t exactly the OJ trial.

  462. blake November 21st, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Weiner by all accounts sounds like he was a great person ….sad that many of his final days were dealing with all this Arod mess

  463. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    if horowitz rules in mlb’s favor arod IS suspended. thats the end of the process as far as the employment situation goes. he’s suspended for violation of the jda agreement.

    his lawyers will likely go to court to try to have the whole process thrown out, but being collectively bargained, there is very little leeway for a court to do that.

  464. blake November 21st, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    mick says:
    November 21, 2013 at 8:12 pm
    If no one knows the evidence then what does a court have to go on to stop it?
    This isn’t exactly the OJ trial.

    But like the OJ trial the defendant is using deflection and misdirection as a defense. Johnny Cocrane made OJs trial about racism more than Murder……Arods team is trying to make this more about the system and Bud than about his steroid use

  465. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    If no one knows the evidence then what does a court have to go on to stop it?
    This isn’t exactly the OJ trial.

    —————————

    Judging by the OJ trial, evidence is a trivial matter that really doesn’t matter that much :)

  466. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    MTU

    Tanaka, by nature, could take a while.
    Kuroda, by his nature , is also not a rush job.

    The longer he waits, the more Cano’s value goes down.

    The guys we want should not be snatched away b/c of this mess, Grandy inc.

  467. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Judging by the OJ trial, evidence is a trivial matter that really doesn’t matter that much
    ====================
    the pollution of it was tho’

  468. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    So…

    Say – Horowitz rules for the 211. (or maybe 200)

    A-Rod can take this ruling to either NYS or Federal Court…then …

    A )….Court can uphold the Horowitz 211 and it’s “in stone”…or…

    B)…. Court can ‘erase’ the Horowitz decision and this Court will hear the case.

    (essentially being an appeal of the original appeal)

    …..if “B” is the ruling – Can A-Rod keep playing baseball during this ‘second appeal’ ???

  469. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    trivial matter that really doesn’t matter that much

    ———

    straight from the department of redundancy department

  470. tomingeorgia November 21st, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    I knew Mike Weiner when he was general counsel to the union. He was a good man. I knew his wife, too. RIP, Mike.

  471. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    But like the OJ trial the defendant is using deflection and misdirection as a defense. Johnny Cocrane made OJs trial about racism more than Murder……Arods team is trying to make this more about the system and Bud than about his steroid use
    ================================
    True. Both , of course, are using misdirection, smoke and mirrors.
    The OJ trial was public.
    With this one, we are in the dark.
    Arod can say what he wants on tv to Mike, he’s not under oath.
    He’s a ballplayer, cheating is part of the game.

  472. blake November 21st, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    C. Court can say get lost we have better things to do

  473. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    B)…. Court can ‘erase’ the Horowitz decision and this Court will hear the case.
    ==================
    That’s the one that will be televised.

  474. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    the only way arod can keep playing if he’s suspended is to have a court issue a restraining order to force baseball to let him play. this is very very unlikely to work.

    in fact its not very likely that a court will take the appeal of the jda process.

    there’s also a government agency the national labor relations board which has juricsdiction over collectively bargained employment rights. A court could require arod’s side to file a grievance with the NLRB before a court would even hear the case. That process could take a while to play out too.

    its very unlikely any court will order a rrestraining order for arod while any of these scenarios play out, but you never know…

  475. jmills November 21st, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Well,….this is mighty strange, I haven’t been to a professional hockey game since 1979. Its like being inside a pinball machine. Uncomfortable adds and music rotating all over the place. I don’t know what quite to say…

  476. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    As Mick said, it’s up to Hal to prevent the Team from being paralyzed by this.
    =====================================
    If he doesn’t act, fans will see right thru him if he says he had to wait b/c of the budget.
    OTOH, a guy like McCann might want to wait for the Yanks best offer.
    It will slow the market but , being that they are talking to everyone, that’s a good sign..

  477. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Mick-

    I’m with you in wanting to grab who we can while we can.

    I just hope the brass see it the same way.

    And you are also right about the 2 Japanese we covet.

    It is likely to take time.

  478. jmills November 21st, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    The Air Canada Centre is certainly not Maple Leafs Gardens, and nobody’s dressed in a hat and suit.

  479. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    the national labor relations board which has juricsdiction over collectively bargained employment rights. A court could require arod’s side to file a grievance with the NLRB before a court would even hear the case

    ———-

    Doesn’t the anti-trust exemption negate the NLRB? You may be totally right… just wondering

  480. jmills November 21st, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    I’m glad my ticket was donated, people pay big money for this?

  481. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Hello jmills! Focus!! enjoy the game, not the distractions :)

  482. jmills November 21st, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Lots of women too, dressed in expensive Maple Leaf garb. The sound system is overbearing, and of decidedly poor quality.

  483. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    So , basically , Arod’s outrage was about Selig taking his life away from him.
    Assuming he gets a year to year and a half, he is still owed about 75m if he never plays again.
    No wonder he didn’t want to testify, that would have been fun.

  484. jmills November 21st, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Nashville and Van Morrison are winning 3 – 1.

  485. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    jmills November 21st, 2013 at 8:35 pm
    Nashville and Van Morrison are winning 3 – 1.
    =================================

    Feel fortunate it’s Van Morrison and not “Little Jeezy”

  486. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    No wonder the Arod apologists have been so quiet of late…
    …even they are embarrassed.

  487. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    RIP, Michael Weiner; you will be missed.

  488. yankeefeminista November 21st, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Lohud Yankees Blog ?@LoHudYankees 8m
    Been out of the country and just returned to the sad news of Michael Weiner’s passing. Wonderfully kind man. Positive influence on the game.

  489. jmills November 21st, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    I tried to youtube lil’ jeezy, I can’t hear a damn thing in here. Now there’s a polar bear on the ice. ” Did they pay you to…”

    I think they’re having some kind of bowling competition between periods.

  490. charlestonchew November 21st, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Someone already mentioned this, I’m sure, but from MLBTR:

    “Curtis Granderson is “a serious part” of the Yankees’ offseason plans, GM Brian Cashman told George A. King III of the New York Post. Cashman told King that the Yankees remain interested and don’t consider Granderson to be a fallback option by any means. Signing Granderson would likely mean the team would look to move Ichiro Suzuki, King adds. Here’s more on the American League East.”

    I am ecstatic to hear that the Yankees are strongly considering adding Granderson back to this team. He was and is such an incredibly valuable player to this team. I want him back on this team. So many fans have forgotten how damn good he has been for the Yankees, driving in a 100 runs with 30-40 bombs and above average defense. If we can get him for $15 mil a year, we need to jump on that. And he’ll play at Yankee stadium, so even if is power drops he’ll still hit a lot out.

    He’s also just a likeable guy. I’d be ecstatic if we could swap the anemic Ichiro for Granderson and then add Cano & Tanaka. If ARod is suspended for a relatively long time, we’ll have money freed up for Peralta or Drew, or even making a trade that brings back a good, well-rounded infielder. I can see someone like David Phelps or Adam Warren being part of a trade like that (David Freese, maybe?). Peralta’s the most obvious choice. There’s something about him that makes me uncomfortable. I wish I could pin it down, but I’d much rather have Stephen Drew than Peralta, with money being a factor. If Drew can be had in the range of $12 million a year, I think he makes this team $12 million better. Peralta may cost 16 or more, for more years, and will still probably only make the team $12 million better.

    I wouldn’t put it past the Yankees to make a splash with Ellsbury, flip Ichiro & others for a starter, and empty the bank. Ellsbury would be an MVP-caliber player in Yankee stadium.

  491. Tar November 21st, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    “Arods team is trying to make this more about the system and Bud than about his steroid use”

    Well in fairness…when Bud issued his 211 proclamation…. it did become totally about the system and Bud.

  492. blake November 21st, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    The thing about Granderson I like is that he’s kinda a buy low candidate…..that and you don’t have to give the draft pick to re-sign him.

    I don’t think he’s as good as Choo or Ellsbury but he’s going to be probably significantly cheaper than both and he’s 5 years younger than Beltran.

    Id love to bring him back on say a 3 year deal

  493. jmills November 21st, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    R.I.P.

  494. blake November 21st, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    “Well in fairness…when Bud issued his 211 proclamation…. it did become totally about the system and Bud.”

    No….that’s a layer but it’s still about Arod using steroids. Alex could have pleas guilty and took a deal…..he didn’t

  495. blake November 21st, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Ichiro has pretty much zero trade value

  496. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    I don’t think he’s as good as Choo or Ellsbury but he’s going to be probably significantly cheaper than both and he’s 5 years younger than Beltran.
    =========================
    He also has proven he can play in NY.
    Beltran is old, Ellsbury is injury prone and Choo will be overvalued.

  497. Tar November 21st, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    “No….that’s a layer but it’s still about Arod using steroids. Alex could have pleas guilty and took a deal…..he didn’t”

    211 games wasn’t “a deal”more like a witch hunt than a deal.

    BTW I bet Alex’s lawyers cheered that Gammons headline today.

  498. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Fans seem to think Bud could have arrested the steroid users and banned them from the game.
    He looked the other way.
    Imagine if he would have spoken up without proof?
    The vigilante Commish…get real.

  499. Tar November 21st, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Smart “fans” think that bud promoted steroid use, and is complicit in it’s use…. even today.

    Dumb fans say things like “Imagine if he would have spoken up without proof?”

  500. mick November 21st, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    If there was 1 game left in the season they would have given him 163 games.
    Just so happened there were 49.
    They evidently feel he did more than the guys who got 50.
    If they can prove it, how is it hypocritical?

  501. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    JMills :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myxojwq22-Q

  502. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    “211 games wasn’t “a deal”more like a witch hunt than a deal.”

    TJ Quinn had the best summation of this mess I’ve seen yet today……MLB went on a witch hunt and found a witch

  503. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Should be simple.

    If MLB has proof that A-Rod did what MLB claims; and they show it – A-Rod is cooked.

    If MLB cannot provide/show proof….walk away, simply walk away.

  504. mick November 21st, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    Arod gets up in front of Mike F and lies with a smile on his face.
    Just like wagging your finger at Congress.
    Or lying to the reporters who can vote you into the HOF.
    Not just stupid but disingenuous..

  505. jmills November 21st, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    Thanks, UpState, I’ll check it out in the car.

    I just did, ” let’s go Yankees! Clapclap… Clapclapclap”, and they looked at me funny :D

    Nashville 4-1

  506. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    This is now going to drag on until January at the earliest, with 33.5M, up in the air.

    “The hearing concluded on Thursday night, according to people familiar with the situation. The people requested anonymity because a confidentiality clause cloaked the proceedings. From here, the two sides will present summary briefs on Dec. 11, and provide responses by Dec. 21, the people said. From there, independent arbitrator Fredric Horowitz has 25 days to deliver a ruling.

    And even then, Rodriguez’s legal team intends to seek an injunction against the verdict. Upon his arrival at MLB’s Manhattan headquarters in the morning, Rodriguez’s attorney Joseph Tacopina pledged to continue this fight in “another venue,” presumably federal court.”

  507. Pat M. November 21st, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Jacoby Ellsbury in Yankee Pinstripes. Now wouldn’t that be nice. Those injuries that folks like to bring up are flukish in nature. He would set the pace for the Yanks lineup.

  508. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Ken Burn’s “Baseball” on MLB Network now… I think its 3rd inning. Pretty awesome if you hven’t seen it

  509. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Ken Burns is a Red Sox fan.

    ——————–

    Probably so… that seems to be fashionable now.

  510. Triple Short of a Cycle November 21st, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Ken Burns is a Red Sox fan.

    ——————-

    So?

  511. Triple Short of a Cycle November 21st, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Ken Burns is the definition of integrity.

  512. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    I may be naive but “Baseball” transcends fandom to me

  513. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    I think Alex is taking the Clemens approach this time…..as in never surrender and never admit anything no matter what.

    He admitted it last time and that didn’t work out for him so this time he’s digging in and denying……if he doesn’t have to testify under oath then he never has to admit it

  514. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Pat M. says:
    November 21, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    Jacoby Ellsbury in Yankee Pinstripes. Now wouldn’t that be nice. Those injuries that folks like to bring up are flukish in nature. He would set the pace for the Yanks lineup.

    The idea of it is nice but Ellsbury has been more a hypothetical great player in his career than an actual one. I love his game and skill set ….but he scares me bad on a long term deal….

  515. Triple Short of a Cycle November 21st, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Name 1 incident of Burns work being compromised by him being a Sox fan.

    You sound ridiculous

  516. Triple Short of a Cycle November 21st, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Let me know when you have an example

  517. chicken_stanley November 21st, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Pat M. says:
    November 21, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    Jacoby Ellsbury in Yankee Pinstripes. Now wouldn’t that be nice. Those injuries that folks like to bring up are flukish in nature. He would set the pace for the Yanks lineup.

    ——————–

    You may be right… Then again, some players are bitten by the injury bug throughout their careers (when I think of Ellsbury, I always recall Eric Davis). Healthy, Ellsbury is a great player

  518. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    I like Choo better on a big contract than Ellsbury…..”if healthy ” Ellsbury can do more things yes but Choo is a better hitter and has been much more consistent in his career.

    I think Choos plate discipline and overall game will she better and be a better value

  519. Pat M. November 21st, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    blake.. I would love to further the discussion regarding the hated BoSox centerfielder, however it’s time to exit because there’s a foul odor here suddenly

  520. blake November 21st, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Pat M. says:
    November 21, 2013 at 9:55 pm
    blake.. I would love to further the discussion regarding the hated BoSox centerfielder, however it’s time to exit because there’s a foul odor here suddenly

    Maybe tomorrow Pat…..it’s not that I don’t like him because I do like his talent and skill set but he gets hurt too much and I worry about what’ll be left when the speed start to slip

  521. NYY fan in NH November 21st, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    If i’m not mistaken, Ellsbury had broken ribs that the Redsox refused to do xrays on.

  522. UpState November 21st, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Pat M. November 21st, 2013 at 9:55 pm
    blake.. I would love to further the discussion regarding the hated BoSox centerfielder, however it’s time to exit because there’s a foul odor here suddenly
    ———————-
    Got it !

  523. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Id love to bring him back on say a 3 year deal

    ——————-

    I’d go for that as well but I don’t see any way Grandy gets just 3 years. Ellsbury is hurt all the damn time and I have a feeling he can get a 4-5 year pact so I don’t think one injury plagued year for Grandy is enough to push his price down.

  524. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    ……if he doesn’t have to testify under oath then he never has to admit it

    ——————

    The ironic part about this, is that’s exactly what Clemens did do.

  525. Triple Short of a Cycle November 21st, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    ronDL white,

    The example I asked for was one project where he was biased toward the Red Sox or slighted the Yankees

  526. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    “The ironic part about this, is that’s exactly what Clemens did do.”

    Hey Clemens won every time…..Alex probably thinks hey look Roger did it

  527. Ys Guy November 21st, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    glad to see alot of support on the board the last couple of days for bringing back curtis granderson.

    i like that option alot better than beltran, (and i like beltran)

  528. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Am I reading this Gammons thing right..? A Yankee official compared Arod to the Boston bomber? Oy, I’m glad I missed that this afternoon.

  529. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    “The ironic part about this, is that’s exactly what Clemens did do.”

    Hey Clemens won every time…..Alex probably thinks hey look Roger did it

    ————–

    Clemens did it in federal court.. I think Arod would testify in a federal case because I think – like in the Clemens case – the evidence is probably shaky outside of arbitration (it sounds shaky within arbitration).

  530. tbone1570 November 21st, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Am I reading this Gammons thing right..? A Yankee official compared Arod to the Boston bomber? Oy, I’m glad I missed that this afternoon.

    ************************
    Shame,
    It was Gammons that compared A-Rod to the Boston bombers, not a Yankee official.

  531. JobaTipsHisCap November 21st, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    If MLB has proof that A-Rod did what MLB claims; and they show it – A-Rod is cooked.

    If MLB cannot provide/show proof….walk away, simply walk away.

    ********************

    hmm, agree. before he can walk away, leak more big names related to PED. That would be awesome.

  532. Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    tbone – Thanks.. I read some conflicting reports. I read what he said but didn’t hear it and I wasn’t sure how to interpret the part where he said a Yankee insider had told him that.

  533. MTU November 21st, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    It seems some of you are like a dog w a bone when it comes to A-Rod so I’ll leave you to it.

    See ya’ tomorrow.

    :)

  534. JobaTipsHisCap November 21st, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    the system basically is a joke when the arbitrator is under MLB’s payroll.

  535. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 10:18 pm
    blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    “The ironic part about this, is that’s exactly what Clemens did do.”

    Hey Clemens won every time…..Alex probably thinks hey look Roger did it

    ————–

    “Clemens did it in federal court.. I think Arod would testify in a federal case because I think – like in the Clemens case – the evidence is probably shaky outside of arbitration (it sounds shaky within arbitration).”

    Guys, Arod’s petition in federal court (if that is where he files it) is not going to result in a retrial of the issues in the arbitration. Whether Arod took PEDs and the length of the suspensions will not be issues before that judge. In my analysis, the only issue will be whether the arbitration panel was bias or otherwise acted improperly. If I’m the judge in that case, I’m not sure there would be a need for an evidentiary hearing, that is, any testimony at all. I would think you could argue that case solely on the papers. And the relief I believe would be setting aside Horowitz’s decision and a brand new arbitration.

    The testimony stuff would occur in Arod’s ongoing civil action, which I guess we shouldn’t forget about. That’s where all the bad stuff he claims done by MLB becomes relevant. If he gets past the motion to dismiss there, that case will be a hoot. A possible scenario here is, Arod gets suspended 211 games, loses his federal court challenge to vacate the suspension decision, has to sit out a year and a half, and then wins $10 billion against baseball in his tortious interference case. That would be pretty awesome :).

  536. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:16 pm
    “The ironic part about this, is that’s exactly what Clemens did do.”

    “Hey Clemens won every time…..Alex probably thinks hey look Roger did it”

    Clemens was prosecuted for perjury. I believe Bonds too. Much much different case. Really hard to prove perjury sometimes. And in a criminal case, like Bonds and Clemens, the standard is the highest in law, beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s because, if those guys lose, they go to jail. No one is threatening to send Arod to jail. The burden in arbitrations and the pending civil matters is much lower. However, when and if Arod testifies under oath, he is subject to possible perjury. But that’s a case that would have to be brought by the government. Some DA somewhere. Just don’t see that happening.

  537. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    November 21, 2013 at 10:17 pm
    Am I reading this Gammons thing right..? A Yankee official compared Arod to the Boston bomber? Oy, I’m glad I missed that this afternoon.

    He apologized pretty much immediately afterwards ….I don’t think he meant it that way to be fair

  538. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    “Clemens was prosecuted for perjury. I believe Bonds too. Much much different case. Really hard to prove perjury sometimes. ”

    I was only comparing the refusal to admit guilt…..Clemens denied it so much that he acted like he believed it….either he was innocent or he convinced himself he was…..I was merely saying that it appears Alex is taking that line this time rather than admission as he did before…..cause that didn’t exactly work out so well for him

  539. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    I’m being a bit facetious here but that case Arod has for tortious interference–while generally pretty hard to win, but if he can get best to motion for failure to state a claim, and can prove some of that real sordid stuff we’ve been hearing about, that case could be worth a fortune. Here’s the beautiful thing. Once you get past the motion to dismiss, you can really get into some serious discovery. That means text msgs and the all important email. Selig and Manfred are such idiots (Selig telling strangers at Cooperstown how much he hates Arod and wants him out of the game), their email is bound to be awesome. At the end of the day, Arod may have the hammer and boy is he going to use it.

  540. Tar November 21st, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    “MLB went on a witch hunt and found a witch”

    Last I checked this was modern day America. Esteemed Corporate entities with monopolistic powers should hold themselves to a higher standard.

  541. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    “At the end of the day, Arod may have the hammer and boy is he going to use it.”

    I think it’s still going to come down to PED evidence and whether or not he did obstruct the investigation…..recruit others to the clinic etc…..Selig hating Arod may factor into a reduction of the length of suspension…..but only if the evidence isn’t there. MLB better have real evidence here after all the grand standing they have done

  542. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    “Last I checked this was modern day America. Esteemed Corporate entities with monopolistic powers should hold themselves to a higher standard.”

    Yes….modern America where you can make 500 million bucks playing baseball!

  543. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:42 pm
    “Clemens was prosecuted for perjury. I believe Bonds too. Much much different case. Really hard to prove perjury sometimes. ”

    “I was only comparing the refusal to admit guilt…..Clemens denied it so much that he acted like he believed it….either he was innocent or he convinced himself he was…..I was merely saying that it appears Alex is taking that line this time rather than admission as he did before…..cause that didn’t exactly work out so well for him”

    I always find this both amusing and frustrating. Arod doesn’t need to say anything at all. You are paying your lawyers a fortune. Let them talk for you. Clinton never should have answered questions about Lewinsky. “Hey, that’s my private life and you have no right to know that.” People would respect that.

  544. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Arod has already been caught in one lie here…..originally he said he didn’t even know tony Boesch and had never been treated by him……yesterday he said he only went to him for nutritional advice……his story always changes and he lies habitually.

  545. blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    “I always find this both amusing and frustrating. Arod doesn’t need to say anything at all. You are paying your lawyers a fortune. Let them talk for you. Clinton never should have answered questions about Lewinsky. “Hey, that’s my private life and you have no right to know that.” People would respect that.”

    People take no comment as an admission of guilt…..maybe that’s not fair but that’s reality. Folks want to hear “I didn’t do it” or they are gonna assume you did

  546. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    “At the end of the day, Arod may have the hammer and boy is he going to use it.”

    I think it’s still going to come down to PED evidence and whether or not he did obstruct the investigation…..recruit others to the clinic etc…..Selig hating Arod may factor into a reduction of the length of suspension…..but only if the evidence isn’t there. MLB better have real evidence here after all the grand standing they have done

    That’s def an issue. But if this really is a witch hunt, and Arod was treated differently than others, it’s in that lawsuit where all that stuff becomes meaningful. That stuff is the stuff of the tortious interference case. In the arbitration, it’s mostly a side show. And in Arod’s petition to vacate the arbitration decision, it’s totally irrelevant. But in the tortious interference case, if he can prove it, the damages could be enormous. Check out the movie “The Insider” sometime. Arod may end up owning Major League baseball someday. Commissioner Arod!!!

  547. blake November 21st, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    MLB isn’t exactly ran by the smartest crowd so…..who knows how this will go down.

  548. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    “People take no comment as an admission of guilt…..maybe that’s not fair but that’s reality. Folks want to hear “I didn’t do it” or they are gonna assume you did”

    Totally disagree. That’s what the media leads you to believe because they want a story. You don’t necessarily have to say no comment. You just say all that stuff is in litigation now and my lawyers advise me not to comment. I’d rather talk about baseball. Totally reasonable. After awhile, people accept it or just get bored and move on. The art of saying nothing is a precious skill. Jeter has majored in it which is why he’s always stayed away from controversy.

  549. Tar November 21st, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    “you can really get into some serious discovery. That means text msgs and the all important email.”

    The way they played out this whole walking out scenario, makes me believe that they have Bud’s fingerprints on something. I’m no attorney but it almost seems like to me that this was staged for the benefit of the lawsuit.

  550. blake November 21st, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    “Totally disagree. That’s what the media leads you to believe because they want a story. You don’t necessarily have to say no comment. You just say all that stuff is in litigation now and my lawyers advise me not to comment. I’d rather talk about baseball.”

    I hear that and immediately think “he’s hiding something”……I understand the process and speaking at the appropriate time but again eventually people want a denial or else they will assume the person is guilty. I don’t think that’s media spin either…..I think it’s just human nature to expect someone who is innocent to say they are innocent and then defend themselves

  551. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 10:51 pm
    “Arod has already been caught in one lie here…..originally he said he didn’t even know tony Boesch and had never been treated by him……yesterday he said he only went to him for nutritional advice……his story always changes and he lies habitually”

    I mean really who cares. So Arod is liar. That’s only important in you are trying to build or maintain a squeaky clean image. Arod lost that a million years ago. None of that has any relevance to the current or pending lawsuits, whether Arod plays next year, the Yanks budget or whatever. If Arod comes back in 2014 and hits a bunch of homers folks will love him. And Alec Baldwin is still going to get movie and TV gigs.

  552. blake November 21st, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    “I mean really who cares. So Arod is liar. That’s only important in you are trying to build or maintain a squeaky clean image. Arod lost that a million years ago.”

    No it doesn’t….but it matters for the PR stunt they pulled yesterday. They did that for public opinion and some people probably believed him

  553. Tar November 21st, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    “Yes….modern America where you can make 500 million bucks playing baseball!”

    Sure.

    But its also that same America where after paying out that 500 million, you can conduct a witch hunt to unfairly persecute just one of those greedy ballplayers.

  554. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    “you can really get into some serious discovery. That means text msgs and the all important email.”

    “The way they played out this whole walking out scenario, makes me believe that they have Bud’s fingerprints on something. I’m no attorney but it almost seems like to me that this was staged for the benefit of the lawsuit”

    The media and whatever has got us watching the arbitration and the interviews and who said what but maybe the real game in town is that lawsuit. Discovery is an amazing thing. All sorts of stuff comes out. And I’d be checking really carefully if any hard drives are being disposed of at MLB headquarters. If that’s the case, I’m going to go back into public practice and help send that Selig guy to jail :)

  555. blake November 21st, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    “But its also that same America where after paying out that 500 million, you can conduct a witch hunt to unfairly persecute just one of those greedy ballplayers.”

    I don’t get the angle that Bud is after Alex because of his salary…..MLB doesn’t pay Arod ….the Yankees do…..and if Bud hated the Yankees like Alex claimed then he wouldn’t be trying to save them gobs of money by suspending Alex

  556. Tar November 21st, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    bigdan

    You’re an attorney, why would they just walk out?

    Either they absolutely have nothing ( not buying that) or they are up to something ( much more likely).

    So what are they up to?

  557. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 11:09 pm
    “I mean really who cares. So Arod is liar. That’s only important in you are trying to build or maintain a squeaky clean image. Arod lost that a million years ago.”

    “No it doesn’t….but it matters for the PR stunt they pulled yesterday. They did that for public opinion and some people probably believed him”

    Don’t be confused. That PR stunt was not to make Arod look clean. That can never happen. Oh maybe they can make Arod look like a victim. But clean, never. It was all about making Selig look dirty. Didn’t you love the part about how Selig hates NY haha. Just like those Clinton/Starr battles. This is professional stuff.

  558. blake November 21st, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    “Don’t be confused. That PR stunt was not to make Arod look clean. That can never happen. Oh maybe they can make Arod look like a victim. But clean, never. It was all about making Selig look dirty. Didn’t you love the part about how Selig hates NY haha. Just like those Clinton/Starr battles. This is professional stuff.”

    Of course…..the part about Selig hating NY was hilarious…..Bud always pushes for competitve balance but at the end of the day the Yankees carried the sport for most of his tenure…..of course he doesn’t hate NY

  559. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    Tar November 21st, 2013 at 11:14 pm
    bigdan

    “You’re an attorney, why would they just walk out?

    Either they absolutely have nothing ( not buying that) or they are up to something ( much more likely).

    So what are they up to?”

    I wrote about this earlier. I’m wasn’t in favor of the “walk out” strategy. Just don’t see an upside. But maybe they were just done with their case. Selig wasn’t going to testify. Arod shouldn’t be testifying anyway. They had a couple witnesses on testing (like why Arod didn’t fail a test which I think is pretty damn relevant) and text msgs. Maybe they had no one else to call.

  560. Tar November 21st, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    “Didn’t you love the part about how Selig hates NY haha.”

    Also how mean old bad Bud kept Alex from seeing his precious girls.

    You’re right that was all theatre.

  561. Tar November 21st, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    “Maybe they had no one else to call.”

    Doesn’t explain the drama or theatre involved. I’m a believer that this was all planned, just not sure why.

  562. blake November 21st, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    “Doesn’t explain the drama or theatre involved. I’m a believer that this was all planned, just not sure why.”

    Because they know they aren’t winning the hearing and want to push it to the courts…..they decided to go on offense against MLB

  563. bigdan22 November 21st, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    Tar November 21st, 2013 at 11:22 pm
    “Maybe they had no one else to call.”

    “Doesn’t explain the drama or theatre involved. I’m a believer that this was all planned, just not sure why.”

    Well they def made a scene that’s for sure.

    I think it was Pruf who said all of this has distracted us from seeing and discussing just how bad things are going for the Yanks’ front office now. That may be a good thing actually.

  564. Tar November 21st, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    Because they know they aren’t winning the hearing and want to push it to the courts…..they decided to go on offense against MLB”

    On face value that wasn’t a very good offensive move. I think His attorneys are smarter than that. I’m betting they have something up their sleeve.

  565. Tar November 21st, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    i’m out.

    Good night all.

  566. blake November 21st, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    I guess we will find out tomorrow …..that’s when Alex’s bunch is supposedly releasing their “evidence”

  567. Hankflorida November 21st, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    blake November 21st, 2013 at 8:48 pm
    The thing about Granderson I like is that he’s kinda a buy low candidate…..that and you don’t have to give the draft pick to re-sign him.
    I don’t think he’s as good as Choo or Ellsbury but he’s going to be probably significantly cheaper than both and he’s 5 years younger than Beltran.
    Id love to bring him back on say a 3 year deal

    Why can’t Hal see Granderson as a proven power bat in the outfield to play with another power player like Soriano from the right side. Signing Cano and a power hitting DH from the left side with Text gives us at least five bats to reach the seats. If we had this lineup, I would take four Punch and Judy hitters to set the table in order to be cost effective and satisfy Hal’s passion not to pay the luxury tax.

  568. yankinvegas November 22nd, 2013 at 12:44 am

    I agree. Beltran, Tex, Cano, Granderson, Sori are 5 big power bats. Stay away from McCann, sign AJP + trade for Freese + Jeter and Gardner to set the table.
    The guy I think they really want is Tanaka and I bet they go right near 100 million in the bid. Add him to Nova, CC, Kuroda and Pineda tinker with the bullpen by adding a couple of mid-level veterans to go with Robertson, Kelley, Cabral and Phelps, Ryan, Nunez, Wells and Cervelli on the bench, and you have a contender – at less than 189!!
    You don’t have to be great to win the WS any more – you barely have to be good. You have to stay relatively healthy, be lucky, make a shrewd move in midseason and get hot in October.
    Also, like the Red Sox, you must make sure that your cheaters don’t get caught. Hello David Ortiz.

  569. jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 3:29 am

    Shame Spencer November 21st, 2013 at 6:38 pm
    Phelps pitched like 80 innings last year and 90 the year before.. I know he pitched a bit more the year before that but penciling him in as your 5th starter is optimistic enough, forget about him being your 4th starter.

    Phelps can caddy for Pineda in the #5 spot. The other 4 starters should be established. CC-Kuroda-Tanaka-Nova-Pineda would be fine with me.

  570. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 5:57 am

    the NYY aren’t getting Tanaka, can dream but it’s not going to happen

  571. GregD November 22nd, 2013 at 7:16 am

    Today my Dad would have been 98…..I hope they have strawberry ice cream in heaven…… :)

  572. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 7:18 am

    GregD says:
    November 22, 2013 at 7:16 am
    Today my Dad would have been 98…..I hope they have strawberry ice cream in heaven……

    Oh I’m sure they do :)

  573. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 7:20 am

    Greg,

    Happy memories.

  574. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 7:23 am

    I had been hoping the free agent market would move slowly so the AROD money could be used. Now, that doesn’t seem to matter as they are going to hold onto the money in the event of an appeal. That decision to go along with the decision to stay under the cap kills my off season hope.

    This team will be worse than last year.

  575. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 7:36 am

    The yanks have almost 60 million bucks in limbo right now as they have no idea what’s gonna happen with Arod and Cano.

    If Hal was being truthful when he said that winning comes before 189 then he will proceed with improving the team independent of what’s happening with Arod……we are going to find out a lot about Hal in the next month or two…..

  576. randy l. November 22nd, 2013 at 7:49 am

    “This team will be worse than last year.”

    austinmac-

    the only way to see the way the team is trending is to step back and look from a distance.
    stepping back doesn’t do much for participants in lohud getting a daily fix of yankee baseball, but it’s the only way to see character, and that’s what we’re talking about here.

    true colors come out eventually. hal and randy levine have been on this direction they are on for a while.
    one has to ask why would two men who never had any experience in the game of baseball suddenly know how to run the greatest baseball franchise in the history of the game?

    the simple answer is they don’t. they are in effect amateurs with the keys to a very expensive sports car. the fact they are crashing into every other corner shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

  577. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 7:59 am

    Randy,

    It simply takes a look at the roster and lack of replacements to know the state if the organization. It would be nice to see some plan, other than picking up 26 year old lifetime minor leaguers.

    I agree. Not happening with this ownership group. CBS found out this isn’t a typical business. So will Hal.

  578. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 2m
    Free-agent OFer Chris Young to #Mets, per source. One-year deal, pending physical. @JonHeymanCBS had first.

  579. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Hal has said that winning and puttting a title contending team on the field comes before 189. Now if they refuse to spend the Arod money and refuse to spend the Cano money and wait around until January that’s in direction opposition to trying to put a title contender on the field.

    My feeling is that to get around the lie the Yankees are going to cry that they were hamstrung by Arod and Cano and that’ll be their excuse for doing nothing and putting a mediocre team on the field under the 189 limit.

    They are going to wait around on Cano…..probably eventually sign him and then not do much else most likely. …..which honestly might be the best thing for them to do if they aren’t going to seriously commit to winning in 2014

  580. BD (Boston Dave) November 22nd, 2013 at 8:13 am

    How do they rebuild the farm system, or at least improve it, if their rebuilding plan is only supposed to last a year or two?

    Gotta spend $$ no matter what… the key is to tell the players who want 8 year deals to p1ss off.

    Get guys for 4 year deals or shorter. See RedSox.

  581. BD (Boston Dave) November 22nd, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Now, if you can get a guy who is 25 and elite, fine give him 8 years.

    The problem is, most guys are closer to 30 by the time they hit FA.

    Keep eyes on the Bryce Harpers out there and have $$ ready.

  582. GregD November 22nd, 2013 at 8:16 am

    I hope the Yanks don’t wait on Cano….I think they should give him an offer and say that’s it…..and plan around that……….please don’t bid against yourselves……….

  583. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 8:18 am

    “I hope the Yanks don’t wait on Cano….I think they should give him an offer and say that’s it…..and plan around that……….please don’t bid against yourselves………”

    I do too but I don’t think they are going to do that…..they seem prepared to wait on him and let it play out.

    I don’t have a great feeling about this offseason for the Yankees….

  584. GregD November 22nd, 2013 at 8:19 am

    I think they should stay away from Choo…..he is not a $100 million player and that’s what he wants………..he can’t hit left-handers and in Yankee Stadium, our opponents always stack their left-handers against us…….

  585. GregD November 22nd, 2013 at 8:21 am

    I also think the best option is Granderson as I see many posters have agreed in the last few days……. no draft choice and he is a run producer….not perfect but still the best option out there…..

  586. GregD November 22nd, 2013 at 8:22 am

    I have no idea about this guy Anna from San Diego……….he looks like someone they could use but is he a legitimate hitter or just another AAAA player?

  587. GregD November 22nd, 2013 at 8:23 am

    I really wish one of the outfielders from AA will have a breakout season next year……….is this too much to wish for?

  588. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Looks like you took over for me this AM Greg.

    :)

  589. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 8:35 am

    but is he a legitimate hitter or just another AAAA player?
    ——
    my guess is that he is an backup and depth move because the farm is barren. some obp and hitting skill with no power. Yanks got him for nothing essentially. it is what it is.

    On Cano, we are dealing with future projectiona, I think it’s a bad year to commit more than 5 years on a guy who is 31 regardless of his past performances esp after the roid era. To wait on Cano is silly when you have so many holes to address. If we learn anything is that one player can be a difference maker if the team is ready to win. by the look of it, Yanks needs more than one player.

    overall, I think Yanks realize that they need to produce internally and supplement the team with FA in area of needs. The problem they haven’t shown they can do so effectively.

  590. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Greg,

    Anna is a 26 year old lifetime minor leaguer who wasn’t going to make the Padres 40 man roster. Let me guess his value.

  591. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 8:36 am

    *bad idea.

  592. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 8:38 am

    “I think they should stay away from Choo…..he is not a $100 million player and that’s what he wants………..he can’t hit left-handers and in Yankee Stadium, our opponents always stack their left-handers against us…….”

    I think Choo is the 2nd best player on the market and really think he’d help the lineup…..in a vaccum I’d much rather have Choo than Granderson…….that said for the purposes of where the Yankees are Granderson might make more sense…..cheaper…..no draft pick….has played in NY….better defender…..can play CF.

  593. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 8:40 am

    obvioulsy Ideally I’d want Granderson and Choo and Matt Kemp, and Brian McCann.

  594. Doreen November 22nd, 2013 at 8:42 am

    BD

    I agree about shorter term contacts. Also no full no trade clauses.

    And here is a rub, I think. Since many if not most free agents are at an age where they are probably hoping to settle in with one club for the duration, what do the Yankees do? Clearly, McCann is a great candidate, but not for more then 3 years at most, and not if he wants a full NTC. The Yankees may want to be involved with a few guys but wont do deals because of the demands. And I wonder what people here will say if, for instance, they let McCann go because they don’t want to commit for a long term contract, or any other FA for that matter. The gist of he conversation here for awhile has been that the Yankees need to get way from those kinds of deals.

    It very well could be lean for a couple of years while all this gets sorted out. I still hold onto an idea that doing smarter deals will help in the long run, and some short term pain can be worth long term gain.

  595. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Good morning-

    33.5M tied up until mid January,, and that is without an appeal.
    Until the posting agreement is finalized and Tanaka is posted, the entire process will take time and the winning team most likely won’t be notified until late December.
    Cano willing to wait, which ties up money, possibly until January, unless the Rangers now jump in with their enormous wealth, and current 100M payroll, and make him a sizeable offer.

    The Yankees IMHO are now going to add offense, but it won’t be Choo, Ellsbury, who are going to get big contracts and cost a pick. It might be Beltran but because he will cost a pick, the Yankees will just try and bring back Granderson, but by the time they act, he could be in Chicago.

    The Yankees will drive up the price for McCann, but will be out of the running and not inclined to go 4-5 years/17-18M/year. They’ll reason that Cervelli and backup Romine, will suffice until Murphy, then Sanchez are ready.

    They don’t have the minor league talent to obtain 2012 WS hero David Freese to play 3rd.

    What I’m trying to say is that they do have a plan. Stay under the 189M, resign Granderson as your FA offensive signing, add a journeyman starter if Kuroda won’t come back, add cheap fill ins for 3rd, the bench, the bullpen, and pray Cano and Tanaka are Yankees.

    If not then voila you now have the 2014 Yankees. :(

  596. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Granderson plus Kemp requires no draft picks.

  597. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Granderson + Kemp + Tanaka + Freese/Peralta/Headley + Navarro/Saltalamacchia

    No draft picks.

  598. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Cano + Kuroda + Granderson + Tanaka + Kemp + Freese/Peralta/Headley + Navarro/Saltalamacchia + Balfour

    No draft picks.

  599. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Instead of Nova they could try to trade Pineda for Kemp.

  600. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Bret-

    At the moment Pineda has zero trade value.

    He is nothing but a huge ?

  601. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Could be a deadline deal MTU

  602. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Also Kemp has ? with his health and a huge contract on top of it.

  603. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Kemp is actually a major monetary risk.

  604. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Bret-

    Good morning.

    Stanton doesn’t require draft picks either. Kemp will cost young major league ready, or near ready talent. Now you might be able to get a Carl Crawford, and add him, much like what the Yankees did with Vernon Wells, which ended up wasting a spot.

  605. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Bret-

    Perhaps then.

    But if Pineda looks that good maybe we want to keep him.

    Anyway, I’m just trying to get my head around this OS first.

  606. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Bryce Harper + Mike Trout + Mike Stanton requires no draft picks!

  607. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 9:09 am

    MTU-

    Good morning. Bret-The Dodgers don’t need anything the Yankees have. They might want to unload Crawford or Ethier, while they are negotiating the richest pitching contract with Kershaw, and planning to outbid everyone for Tanaka.

    How’s the pup today?

  608. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 9:09 am

    The price of Kemp is lower than Stanton imo.

    Kemp missed nearly half a season two years in a row and is owed north of 100 M.

    He’s an injury risk and a money risk.

    Of course he’s on the block. Of course.

  609. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 9:10 am

    I would not budge on Nova. I’d offer Pineda and minor leaguers for a big risk like Kemp. I’m not giving them a practically zero risk asset for a highly risky one.

  610. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Pineda allows them to keep Kershaw.

    Kemp probably means no Hanley Ramirez for us though.

  611. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Dumping Kemp gives them relief they need to retain Hanley.

  612. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Bret, the problem is with farm having a disappointing 13, yanks got nobody most team would want. The few pieces they do have, you kind of want to keep. Yanks are never in position to trade way Granderson, Kuroda and Cano in 13 because they simply don’t think that way.

  613. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 9:15 am

    YT-

    The eye still looks very bad. Hard to look at.

    We are giving it a few more days.

    Likely to have to come out next week though.

    Thanks for asking.

    Hope things are good with you ?

  614. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Like I said, if the discussion is Kemp and the ask is Nova, my bid is Pineda. You want to dump risk then you will take on risk or keep your risk. Mine costs 100 M less.

  615. Ys Guy November 22nd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    tacopina just said on boomer and carton that they will NOT be releasing any evidence today, and then mumbled some lawyer speak about filing something and seeing about what they can release sometime next week.

  616. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Bret-

    Cash just succinctly put it into perspective. Time to move on, and try another route to improve the Yankees.

  617. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 9:17 am

    My guess is that the dodgers would laugh at Pineda, but hey, I am just guessing.

  618. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Cano + Kuroda + Granderson + Tanaka + Kemp + Freese/Peralta/Headley + Navarro/Saltalamacchia + Balfour

    No draft picks”

    couldn’t fit that under the cap but that’s a darn good team. A title contender with the possibility of being dominant.

  619. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    The Dodgers would have to eat some money on Kemp before I’d include Nova in a deal…..there is too much risk there to include your best chip plus take on his entire contract IMO.

    If the Dodgers are serious about moving Kemp then the Yankees have to be interested……It’s risky but there just is no other place to get that level of talent right now.

  620. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 9:22 am

    If Kemp and Nova had the same contract, I’d still be hesitant to make the trade. Kemp missed half of 2012 and half of 2013.

    But since Kemp is owed over 100 M, the most I can offer is comparable risk. Sure there is a difference in established talent but there’s also a major difference in money.

  621. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 9:25 am

    I’d trade Nova + filler for Stanton. Marlins would never do that. So essentially, I’m holding Nova.

  622. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Blake-

    If the Yankees add Granderson as their one offensive piece, one better hope Long can get him to improve his BA by going the other way vs the shift, and cut down on the strikeouts.

  623. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 9:31 am

    We are not trading for Kemp. He costs far too much and have nothing they want. Same for Headley, Freese and down the line of average or above players. No one wants our hot prospects in low A ball.

    With under $50M to spend, I don’t see how they can sign Cano and have a remotely competitive team. They would need to add 6-7 guys for $25M. The choices would then be one good player and 5-6 really cheap ones or 6-7 pretty cheap guys from the free agent pool.

  624. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    “If the Yankees add Granderson as their one offensive piece, one better hope Long can get him to improve his BA by going the other way vs the shift, and cut down on the strikeouts.”

    I don’t think you can even consider that….you sign him for what he is knowing and accepting the warts….and that’s factored into the price.

    Grandy is a supplemental player…..he’s not a middle of the order guy and that’s what you’d pay him as if you sign him.

    He’s good defender that can hit 30 homers and drive in some runs for you…..you don’t build your team with him as your 3 hitter….you build it with him as your 6 hitter.

  625. GregD November 22nd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    who are the best players available that don’t have a QO? Peralta, Garza, OF’s?

  626. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 9:33 am

    “We are not trading for Kemp. He costs far too much and have nothing they want”

    with Kemp’s contract and injury issues I don’t think the Dodgers are getting a lot back for him if they trade him…..they’d be moving him to clear salary more or less IMO. Of course they could use that payroll relief to turn around and sign Cano which would defeat the purpose of getting Kemp

  627. GregD November 22nd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    I don’t think the Yanks have given up on Heathcott, Williams or Austin…….I believe this means that they are not going to sign OF’s to huge contracts long term……

  628. Hankflorida November 22nd, 2013 at 9:36 am

    What I’m trying to say is that they do have a plan. Stay under the 189M, resign Granderson as your FA offensive signing, add a journeyman starter if Kuroda won’t come back, add cheap fill ins for 3rd, the bench, the bullpen, and pray Cano and Tanaka are Yankees.

    Trader, you hit the nail on the head in order to stay under the cap. The question is why are they waiting so long to bring Granderson back for three years; with Soriano, the Yankees could have
    70 home runs between them?

  629. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 9:38 am

    “who are the best players available that don’t have a QO? Peralta, Garza, OF’s?”

    best that don’t require the pick to sign: Peralta, Salty, Garza (was traded so no draft pick), Tanaka, etc….Tanaka and peralta make the most sense for the yankees given their needs.

  630. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 9:42 am

    “What I’m trying to say is that they do have a plan. Stay under the 189M, resign Granderson as your FA offensive signing, add a journeyman starter if Kuroda won’t come back, add cheap fill ins for 3rd, the bench, the bullpen, and pray Cano and Tanaka are Yankees.”

    honestly I’d rather them do this than some half-a$sed attempt to compete in 2014……if they want to compete in 2014 then that means ditching the budget and really being aggressive to try to get better.

    They should either be all in or all out……if they are all out that at least positions them to get better in the future by staying flexible financially and keeping their draft picks.

  631. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 9:44 am

    even without Kuroda a rotation of Sabathia, Nova, Tanka, etc “could” be decent if Sabathia bounces back…….CC being better is so huge to their 2014…..if he pitches a 5 ERA again it’s gonna be hard for them to compete no matter what they do. He literally has to be better….

  632. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Roger that Blake.

    Pick a lane.

    You’ve been saying it all along.

    ;)

  633. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Hank-

    I was being a little facetious when I posted that, along with the rest of this long winded dissertation. :)

    33.5M tied up until mid January,, and that is without an appeal.
    Until the posting agreement is finalized and Tanaka is posted, the entire process will take time and the winning team most likely won’t be notified until late December.
    Cano willing to wait, which ties up money, possibly until January, unless the Rangers now jump in with their enormous wealth, and current 100M payroll, and make him a sizeable offer.

    The Yankees IMHO are now going to add offense, but it won’t be Choo, Ellsbury, who are going to get big contracts and cost a pick. It might be Beltran but because he will cost a pick, the Yankees will just try and bring back Granderson, but by the time they act, he could be in Chicago.

    The Yankees will drive up the price for McCann, but will be out of the running and not inclined to go 4-5 years/17-18M/year. They’ll reason that Cervelli and backup Romine, will suffice until Murphy, then Sanchez are ready.

    They don’t have the minor league talent to obtain 2012 WS hero David Freese to play 3rd.

    What I’m trying to say is that they do have a plan. Stay under the 189M, resign Granderson as your FA offensive signing, add a journeyman starter if Kuroda won’t come back, add cheap fill ins for 3rd, the bench, the bullpen, and pray Cano and Tanaka are Yankees.

    If not then voila you now have the 2014 Yankees

  634. GregD November 22nd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Blake

    You’re right about CC…..they won’t be very good without him bouncing back…….

  635. chicken little November 22nd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I agree with the “all in” or “all out” sentiment, but i fear what we will get is a “half in” where cano and maybe one other decent player gets signed and then we have to listen to cashman talk about “dumpster diving” all january, with hal/randy wondering out loud why the criticism because after all “we signed cano.” one of the failures last offseason was that hal/randy/cash misread the market. for some odd reason they convinced themselves that the yanks could sign any non-superstar free agent to a team friendly one year deal. when the mid-level type players all started getting 2+ year deals, the yanks could not regroup to the point where they panicked and signed the one guy who was willing to accept a one year deal (youk) to a $12 million deal.

  636. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Greg,

    With three outfield positions, Soriano, Wells and Ichiro contracts expiring and Gardner a free agent after next year, they better add an outfielder. Of course, they can count on all three to play because of the team’s great developmental success rate.

  637. AAA November 22nd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    I don’t think the Yanks have given up on Heathcott, Williams or Austin…….I believe this means that they are not going to sign OF’s to huge contracts long term……

    ===========================

    They probably haven’t, but the chances of all three being average MLB players in somewhere in the neighborhood of 0%. As all the current outfielders are free agents at the end of the 2014 season, having a player or two from the farm who may help should not preclude them from pursuit of an OF on a multi year deal.

  638. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 9:52 am

    “CC being better is so huge to their 2014″

    Blake-Last week that was exactly a topic for conversation. Regain some weight! :)

  639. bruceb November 22nd, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Interesting article in the New today about Francesa selling his soul to the devil. Mind you, the News have their own agenda too.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....-1.1525407

  640. AAA November 22nd, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Read this on another site, and wondering if it is actually the case. If another team were to sign Granderson, thus giving the Yankees a sandwich pick between 1st and 2nd round, while the Yankees were signing 2 QO free agents (say McCann and Beltran), the Yankees would lose both their 1st round pick and the comp pick for Granderson? That sucks.

  641. Hankflorida November 22nd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Trader, if what you say may be tongue in cheek, there still is a great deal of truth in it. Signing Granderson and Cano with a good left handed DH with Soriano and Text gives the team five power bats. Sprinkle in some starting pitching, and that may be enough to get to one of the three spots in October. When I was growing up, it was one out of eight to get to play in October, now, the odds are one out of five. I guess that we do not have to be that good to go for the ring.

  642. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Yes, the Yankees plan is to add a player or two, pretend we are competing and then add the unwanted to fill out the team in February. What else can they do with their moronic stay under the cap and count all of AROD’s money. We will have no player in all liklihood nor anyone to replace him come next spring when it is decided.

    Now, they do have a plan. Save money, build a non-competitive team with the $155M payroll with the AROD savings and then see if you can count the fans in the stands by hand.

    I remember the days when people used to get mad at the Yankees for trying to have an all star at every position. Now, we are trying to get a team with half the players being league average.

    Truly, is there a team in baseball in a worse position right now? The Astros have a far better system, and virtually every other team has at least a few good players in their prime.

    But, we throw away our one advantage-money- leaving only the disadvantages.

  643. AAA November 22nd, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Good god! Chris Young gets $7.25M????

    Who says it doesn’t pay to be decidedly below average?

  644. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Hank,

    I don’t think that team is anywhere near the playoffs unless you are sprinkling in Koufax and Drysdale.

  645. AAA November 22nd, 2013 at 10:07 am

    They don’t have the minor league talent to obtain 2012 WS hero David Freese to play 3rd.

    ==========================

    Not entirely sure this is true. One important thing to remember about Freese is that he’s not very good. He’s not a guy who should require a-list prospects to obtain. Yankees don’t have what the need to get someone like Headley, but they can get Freese.

  646. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Are the Yankees league average?

    C-no
    1B-maybe with health
    2B-no without Cano
    3B-no
    SS-we can pray
    LF-maybe
    CF-probably-RF-no
    DH-no

    SP-No. 1-probably not
    2-no
    3-maybe with Nova
    4-no
    5-maybe

    RP- Closer-maybe
    EIG-no
    Loogy-no
    Remainder of pen-maybe if all goes well

    To say the team is in disarray really understates the problems. Right now on the roster are a handful of league average players.

  647. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    what you seeing here is that there is a fervent demand on power as skill set in MLB, the days Greg Vaughn signing for 4 mil and hit 50 jacks are gone. There are no 30 hrs homerun hitters littered across on all team rosters.

    I aint saying it’s not an overpaid but at least it’s a short term deal that probably won’t hurt the mets much even if the guy perform at half of his pay.

    to put in perspective, Jeter should be paid 1.2 mil instead of 12 but heh, who is counting. Yanks are in the position they are because they are getting a fraction of productions in what they paid for.

  648. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 10:17 am

    AAA,

    It was reported the Cards said we didn’t have what they wanted for Freese. Amazing, but true.

  649. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Mac, rest assure that this team will be at least mediocre when all it’s said and done. But the, that’s the problem, mediocrity.

  650. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Bruce, Newsday is completely off base on their assertions. Big Mike sold his soul to Pizza Hut eons ago.

  651. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Cash,

    I am not at all sure they will reach the pinnacle of mediocrity staying under the cap and counting AROd’s money when he won’t be there. I can’t imagine winning free agency contests with the Red Sox, Rangers, Dodgers, Nats, Tigers or anyone else actually trying to win.

    This team has more holes than perhaps any team in baseball and an unwillingness to spend as needed.

  652. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Mac, they need to rebuild imo. they need to rebuild since 13. aint even about just spending the money, the team needs a transition period to hoard talents and reestablish itself with a younger core. If the notion is to have 300 mil payroll and address all the needs this team has, i am not quite sure the solutions are out there in FA.

    my biggest concerns is that they don’t have the personnel in place that are creative and dynamic enough to address the problem above.

  653. chicken little November 22nd, 2013 at 10:32 am

    STL apparently wants an outfielder for Freese. Who on the Yankees fits that bill? Wells? Ichiro? Someone in the minors? No one fits the bill.

  654. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Cash,

    I see the issues with free agency, but where else can they go for next year of the ones following? There is a Cuban SS coming over. Maybe he would help.

    The current group has not shown any ability to draft, sign international players or develop. We hear the excuse of low draft picks, and that has relevancy. But, until last year there was no international cap. Where is our Boagerts or his ilk?

    Imagine, not one player in AAA or AA in the top 20 players in their leagues.

  655. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 18m
    Told A-Rod’s press conference has been moved back until next week

    lol…..no made up evidence today I guess?

  656. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 10:35 am

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Hal has said that winning and puttting a title contending team on the field comes before 189. Now if they refuse to spend the Arod money and refuse to spend the Cano money and wait around until January that’s in direction opposition to trying to put a title contender on the field.

    ————-

    This exactly it.

    I’d love to talk more about baseball but Arod is the most interesting thing about this team right now… Hal should probably try to change that.

    Trade for Castro and make Arod a footnote this off season.

  657. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 10:36 am

    AAA November 22nd, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Good god! Chris Young gets $7.25M????

    Who says it doesn’t pay to be decidedly below average?

    —————–

    People always underestimate the market.. last year’s salaries were insane. This year’s will be more insane.

    Anyone that thinks Cano can’t command $200 million is in denial.

  658. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    It will become more and more obvious as the winter goes on that the Yanks should have dealt Cano and Granderson back in the summer and tried to rebuild the corpse of the contender they once were.

  659. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    And if anyone thinks the Yankees will outspend others in this market, please send me what you’re on. I badly need it. Reality can be so unpleasant.

  660. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Wave,

    As you will recall, many begged the Yankees to do just that. Our leaders simply are clueless in how to move forward. Wouldn’t it have been nice to add a couple of top prospects?

  661. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 10:47 am

    It might just pay to be satisfied if the Yankees can retain Cano, re-sign Grandy , and sign Hiroki and Tanaka.

  662. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    It will become more and more obvious as the winter goes on that the Yanks should have dealt Cano and Granderson back in the summer and tried to rebuild the corpse of the contender they once were.

    —————————

    I would’ve been satisfied with just dealing Hughes lol.

    But yeah, Grandy is probably going to get a pretty hefty AAV and command at least a 4 year deal. I could actually see teams willing to give Grandy an extra year that they wouldn’t be willing to give a guy like Ellsbury.

  663. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 10:49 am

    austinmac-

    Without some young, cheap and good players I just don’t see how any team, no matter how rich, can compete anymore given where salaries are going and how few good free agents actually are available.

  664. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 10:51 am

    MTU-

    Even if the Yanks really want him the posting process is going to make signing Tanaka a matter of rolling the dice. There is no way anyone can count on the Yanks getting him.

  665. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    “It will become more and more obvious as the winter goes on that the Yanks should have dealt Cano and Granderson back in the summer and tried to rebuild the corpse of the contender they once were.”

    Texas tried to trade for Cano last year……who knows maybe they would have given Profar….I doubt that but either way I sure am glad we kept him and won those 85 games

  666. Hankflorida November 22nd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    austinmac says:
    November 22, 2013 at 10:04 am
    Hank,

    I don’t think that team is anywhere near the playoffs unless you are sprinkling in Koufax and Drysdale.

    Your point is well taken as you are surmising that the Yankees are going for speed and defense and moving to Citi Field. Cano, Granderson, Soriano, Text and a power hitting DH with four table setters may not come to pass as it may threaten the cap especially if you add Kuroda and Tanka. I agree that the Yankees have to depend on FA to be competitive as last years team had seven power bats to complement the pitching.

  667. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    WYH-

    Unless a ridiculous bid is submitted.

    Which is highly unlikely for the Yankees.

    It’s more likely that the Dodgers get him since they have a lot of cash, and seem to have no qualms about blowing away the competition.

    I was just trying to be a c-ockeyed optimist.

    :)

  668. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Have to go.

    Wave- How true! Small markets awash in money. Better players get extensions, unless you are the Yankees where you get to test FA. Parity, just like football, is the future for baseball.

  669. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 10:59 am

    MTU-

    Wjat I like about your optimism is that you understand the downside, you just usually don’t choose to dwell on it.

  670. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Wave,

    I agree every team needs young, good players. If we had some the Stadium would be packed. They went conwservative in the draft and in spending internationally. Of course, even when they spent, they usually missed.

    I was hoping for some new blood and eyes. It seems it was all the minor league trainer’s fault.

  671. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 11:02 am

    I’m trying to figure out how just signing Cano and Tanaka + cheap crap to fill out the roster will help them in 2015…. wouldn’t that just put them in a tighter spot?

  672. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 11:06 am

    “It seems it was all the minor league trainer’s fault.”

    There’s an intensive search on for a new water and bat boy too.

    Don’t forget them !

    ;)

  673. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 11:07 am

    And they have changed dry cleaners to boot.

    Awesome.

    ;)

  674. bruceb November 22nd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Cashmoney

    Lol. Big Mike can sure afford plenty of pizza these days. Does a good job filling the airwaves for 5.5 hours a day but is it really worth nearly $6 million a year?

    By the time the court case is finished, he’ll be richer than ARod!

  675. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    My dog is sick.

    My wife is leaving for CA. to visit a sick sister.

    I need some satisfaction from the Yankees. Seems only fair.

    Good luck with that, huh ?

    Not to carry the analogy too far but it looks like I’m barking up the wrong tree.

    :(

  676. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 11:13 am

    MTU – I’m sorry to hear that.. I hope the Yankees bring you something positive soon.

  677. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 11:16 am

    MTU,
    seems like everyone is sick right now……must be the weather. I’m ready for Spring already

  678. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 11:17 am

    HardballTalk ?@HardballTalk 13m
    A-Rod’s lawyers delay the release of all the dirt they say they have on Major League Baseball http://wp.me/p14QSL-27gQ

    how predictable was this……we are gonna release all our evidence tomorrow! Tomorrow comes…..oh wait….next week!

  679. comet November 22nd, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 10:37 am
    It will become more and more obvious as the winter goes on that the Yanks should have dealt Cano and Granderson back in the summer and tried to rebuild the corpse of the contender they once were.

    ***************************************************************************WYH they should have been dealt last winter. Pat M. recommended selling at the deadline in 2012. I agreed. that is when both players would have brought maximum value.

    Shame is right salaries are insane. Given that it seems we are going to live under $189mm. then we’d be better to try and trade some of the baggage of the big contracts at the deadline this year and not engage in insanity. Compulsive signings like Arod have hurt the Yankees year after year. Is it worth one WS title in 2009 to be an also ran for years after? I don’t think so.

  680. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Shame-

    Thanks. Yes. We can all use that.

    It’s a damn good thing I have a sense of humor. I’ll tell you that.

    ;)

  681. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Blake-

    Can I please erase large portions of this year and get a do over ?

    I’m starting to feel like a sad sack.

    What ever happened to that famous MTU good luck.

  682. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Blake-

    I’m always ready for warm weather.

    We’ve got snow on the mountains around here.

    We’re getting dumped on big time.

    Large low pressure system sitting right on top of Utah.

  683. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    MTU,

    I used to love the winter….I like it less and less now. I’m totally over it after the Holidays and am over it early this year.

  684. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Blake-

    Most folks like it less and less as they grow older.

    The cold sinks into the bones a lot easier.

    Now if I were a skier I’d love it. But I’m not.

  685. luis November 22nd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Hello guys,

    MTU,

    Sorry to hear about your dog and your wife’s sister… Hopefully, it is just a rough patch and things will get back to normal soon.

    Cash and Mac,

    Excellent back and forth…. I don’t think going over the cap makes any sense right now… I do agree with Cash, we need to start a rebuilding process… To go all out on the FA market we need a young and productive core to build around… We just don’t have it

  686. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Thanks Luis.

    That is especially kind coming from you with all you’ve got going on down there.

    It’s just been a bad year.

    Hopefully next year will be better.

    I know I probably shouldn’t say this but that Maduro is just plain nuts !

    A frickin’ madman.

    So sorry.

  687. luis November 22nd, 2013 at 11:36 am

    The main problem the Yankees have is their FO… I don’t think that while this group is still in power, anything can be accomplished…. The FA route is no longer an option

  688. luis November 22nd, 2013 at 11:42 am

    MTU,

    The worst part is that things will get a lot worse before they get better… He is not nuts, he is just an idiot with extreme views surrounded by very mediocre people.

    By January there won’t be anything left in the stores… This past two weeks actions have guaranteed that… The implosion is around the corner.

  689. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 11:43 am

    MTU,
    I’d still love it if it were just me….I like to do a lot of winter outdoor stuff. However it’s just a lot more complicated with the kidos…..you gotta bundle them up to go anywhere….they are sick all the time…..they can’t play outside as much so they get cabin fever and drive you nuts….etc….when the get a little older maybe I’ll regain my winter love

  690. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    supposed to be a high of 30 here on Thanksgiving day…..should be fun cooking outside in that.

  691. J. Alfred Prufrock November 22nd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Morning primo, et al.

    Well, we’re stuck with these guys. They are steering the team’s fortunes.

    Just want to throw in that I am vehemently not for letting Robinson Cano walk, and I will give him his eight years.

    As I said months ago, I think that swing is very resilient, and that at worst, he can be a LHDH in his twilight years, when all the other big contracts are off the books.

    Cano around for guys like Feliz/Gumbs/Avellino/Andujar/Jagielo – whoever of that infield group, or whoever overall from the IF pool, makes it to the Bronx – would be a good thing, and like I said, I think he’ll continue to hit at a decent level.

    Cano is not the one you make an example of. And letting him walk so you can sign McCann/Choo, is IMO, running to stand still. It accomplishes nothing long range, and it really doesn’t make them into a contender, with Cano turning DPs and frustrating matchups elsewhere.

  692. bigdan22 November 22nd, 2013 at 11:50 am

    luis November 22nd, 2013 at 11:36 am

    “The main problem the Yankees have is their FO… I don’t think that while this group is still in power, anything can be accomplished…. The FA route is no longer an option”

    I said this about six weeks ago. The best plan for the Yanks is two-part. (A) do nothing and (B) hope. The (A) basically means it’s counter-productive to play in this FA market. That’s a little over-stated but mostly true. Obviously you shoot for Tanaka and try to get Cano at a reasonable price but what else do you want to do? Give Grandy four years and $60MM? I don’t even think you should give Cano more than six. Big ticket free agency isn’t a solution. We’ve all known that for awhile now. The (B) part is hope that the farm system has a big year in 2014. Only then will the Yanks have options. Trading options. Young players to insert. All this talk of big trades now is kind of silly. The Yanks have virtually no one to trade.

    That’s why we’re stuck with Arod. If he had just come out with his “evidence” today we wouldn’t have to discuss just how depressing the future is.

  693. J. Alfred Prufrock November 22nd, 2013 at 11:54 am

    MTU,

    Hang in there.
    ///

    Austinmac,

    I think it’s doubtful that anyone is in a worse position than the Yanks, as per your post.

    If you look around the American League, can you find a single team that does not have at least one young position player that is either a difference maker on his team, or one that his team can lay reasonable claim could be in the near future?

    Maybe Toronto, being pitching-heavy in prospects and having dealt d’Arnaud and Hechevarria, but I don’t know the readiness of their recent IFA signings, and even though he had a lousy year, Lawrie is still only 23.

    I do like Almonte and JR Murphy for 2014, but really have little confidence that the Yankees will properly nurture them or not get in their way of fulfilling their potential; maybe Murphy, since Girardi seems to like him (although “seeming”, I have learned, is not a true indicator with these guys).

  694. mick November 22nd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    1) FO
    2) No Core

    How many times can you say the same things?

  695. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 11:57 am

    catch you all later.

    errands to run.

  696. luis November 22nd, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Primo!,

    I do agree that going with Choo and McCann instead of Cano won’t get us anywhere… Not only we don’t get that much more production but we lose the pick in the draft in exchange for a comp pick… But giving 8 years to Cano is not ideal either… They should signed an extension a while back… They didn’t… Then they should have traded him last winter with a private compromise to get him back, like the Phillies did with Lee… We would have gotten talent and got to keep him afterwards… Now if we don’t sign him, we only get a comp pick… On that regard, I don’t think letting him walk is worth it… But if his demands keep sky high, they should let him walk regardless

  697. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    “That’s why we’re stuck with Arod. If he had just come out with his “evidence” today we wouldn’t have to discuss just how depressing the future is.”

    they don’t have any evidence…..my guess is there “evidence” is probably stuff like …..”this person said Bud is a meany” and “that person said Arod sucks”. This whole thing is a joke on both sides.

  698. J. Alfred Prufrock November 22nd, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Primo :)

    Right, they blew off the extension thing so they are stuck giving him the years.

    I don’t think eight years vs. six really makes that much difference. I certainly am not willing to quibble over a final two years where he may not be that productive, in any case.

    If they can just point the miL program in the right direction, and Patterson can rescue some of our big young arms from the Cashman-Eppler BP conversion program, and some of our higher end types make it, carrying a silver Cano for a couple of years is worth having a silver slugging one carry us for a better part of the contract.

  699. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    I get a sense of surrender on the board. We will stink, but it’s okay since we will build from within. It only took the Pirates 20 years with their rebuilding. Maybe we can do better. Or not.

    Hal has won. Cheap and bad is acceptable. Not for me.

  700. J. Alfred Prufrock November 22nd, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    austinmac,

    Hal wins.

    Yankees lose.

    :mad:

  701. bigdan22 November 22nd, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    The thing about Cano is, while we are all discussing how the last 2 or 3 years of his contract will be a burden and whether the Yanks can live with that, and whether his front end production will make that worthwhile, every other team in the market is thinking exactly the same way. The Rangers, Tigers, Nats or whomever are all considering whether it’s smart to overpay Cano on the backend. I think if you are team like the Tigers or Rangers his production is really not worth that. Those teams already have big hitters in their lineup which makes Cano’s current value not worth his downside. I think the real market for Cano will be a non-playoff team who wants to take it to the next step and really compete in the next 3-4 years. A team that probably couldn’t be taken seriously without Cano. A team that would put Cano right in the center of their lineup and make him the man. Maybe the Cubs, the Mariners. Somebody like that. If a team has the offense to currently complete, taking on Cano and his downside risk outweighs his value.

  702. mick November 22nd, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    I get a sense of surrender on the board. We will stink,
    ====================================
    Please speak for yourself, which you are.

  703. Hankflorida November 22nd, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    The 2012 Yankees had a lineup of seven power hitters and the 2013 team played most of the year with one dependable power bat and that was Cano. Right now, Text and Soriano are our power source, and by just adding back Granderson, Cano and even Ibanez, we can get by with Romaine, Jeter, Nunez and Gardener as our table setters. I cannot understand Hal’s reluctance to sign Granderson for 3 years right now “as a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.”

  704. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    good point, Dan. Pretty sure someone will give him that kind of dough and years. I think Cano has 3 peak years left, then you be paying for mediocrity at a premium price like rod and tex. At the same time, i am not sure Yanks can assemble a championship caliber team in those 3 years. I be fine if Cano walks because i think the yanks won’t win much with Cano or without him.

  705. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    “I think if you are team like the Tigers or Rangers his production is really not worth that. Those teams already have big hitters in their lineup which makes Cano’s current value not worth his downside. ”

    unless they see this as their window and think Cano could push them over the top…..for some teams winning a title would be worth it. The Rangers and Tigers might fall into that category.

  706. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    blake, Tigers have seen in firsthand in 2012 how Cano push the yanks over the top in their playoff match.

  707. jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Even if the Yankees think there is some possibility of Arod playing 3B for them in 2014, they should at least go out and trade for Freese. He won’t cost a premium prospect and should only get 4ish mil in arb.

  708. luis November 22nd, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Mac,

    Is not about Hal winning or not… It is about reality… The reality is that for them to be competitive, they need to go way over 189 ( 230 or 250 mil IMO)… And even then, I don’t think the team would be good enough to win it all… A repeat of the 80′s wouldn’t be ideal IMO.

    For reasons that many posters have expressed here we have just ran out of options… The only way to return to sustainable success is through a rebuilding process… The question is: are we going to trust the same management that put us in this hole?

    We have missed too many chances to avoid this or to lessen the effects to a point… Now we need to take one step back to take two or three forward… There is no way around it… You said it yourself, we are too many pieces short from a CCT.

    Bigdan,

    I agree with your take… Do nothing and pray.. The question is what happens if the praying works and we have this same FO and they squander it yet again?

  709. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    The Yanks have nothing to trade for Freese that the Cards would want or wouldn’t be topped by a better offer from another team. Plus, the Yanks need a 3B who can also play SS, which isn’t David Freese.

  710. J. Alfred Prufrock November 22nd, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Here’s reality: the Yankees have no players if they do not re-sign Cano.

    We’re talking about their best player, who also happens to be the best at his position in the game, the best at his position in the team’s history, and one of the top 2B to ever play the game.

    He’s 31, so he is still in his prime.

    You don’t not not re-sign your best, in-prime player who is both an elite hitter and elite defender because oh, well, we’ve been klutzes for three years now, having run a contender into the ground, so let’s make up for it by letting Robinson Cano walk for a draft pick.

    Ticket sales aren’t going to receive a boost by losing Cano and neither is the team’s future.

    Not for 310M, but he’s not getting that anywhere. But you suck it up and get him re-signed.

  711. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    If Yanks did not suck in the early 90s, they would have had pleasure of drafting Jeter and giving few others the time to development. sure, that’s not only ingredient for building success for long term, but sucking sometimes is a necessary process before taking a step forward.

  712. bigdan22 November 22nd, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    “unless they see this as their window and think Cano could push them over the top…..for some teams winning a title would be worth it. The Rangers and Tigers might fall into that category”

    I don’t think I’m a believer in the “one player putting us over the top” theory. I think if you play in enough playoff games you realize pretty quickly that a whole lot of things have to go right to win a title and I don’t think any one player gets you there. Ok, maybe a juiced up Bonds.

    But one player can provide you a veneer of credibility. That’s important to an also-ran franchise looking to move up in class, especially in marketing. I think that’s Cano’s real value.

  713. Against All Odds November 22nd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Chad ignore the last two e-mails. I’m in

  714. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    I cannot understand Hal’s reluctance to sign Granderson for 3 years right now “as a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.”

    ————–

    Grandy could probably get more years than that.

    Ellsbury is a better talent, but if you’re a GM which guy would you be more willing to give an extra year to? Grandy’s been incredibly durable throughout his entire career.

    I think Grandy can get 4/60… maybe more.

    FTR, I’m fine with a deal like that for Grandy since as it stands now we have no OFers for 2015 lol… but I’m not in charge. Sads.

  715. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    “blake, Tigers have seen in firsthand in 2012 how Cano push the yanks over the top in their playoff match.”

    apples to oranges….you’re talking about 2 totally different teams. 1 with a mediocre pitching staff and Cano as the only good hitter…..the other with a dominant rotation and Miggy Cabrera to pair with Cano.

  716. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    “I don’t think I’m a believer in the “one player putting us over the top” theory”

    both teams are title contenders anyway….especially Detroit…..Cano + Miggy would be impossible to pitch to. You combine that with their rotation and add a decent closer and they are suddenly very tough.

    1 player doesn’t make a difference in baseball if you aren’t any good……if you’re already a good team though then certainly it can.

  717. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    bigdan – I saw one of your responses from last night and just wanted to clarify something quickly regarding my statement about Arod testifying in federal court. I just meant that if he can push his case to a trial, that I wouldn’t be surprised if he was willing to testify in that forum. In fact, if it goes that far (a big if) I’d bet a fair bit of money he does. But I didn’t think that would impact the arb ruling though.

  718. bigdan22 November 22nd, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Say what you want about Cashman but he’s usually not full of crap. He came out the other day and said the Yanks are looking for 400 innings. What that means is, the Yanks are going to the FA market to sign 2 starters. I think he’s def going to do that. And with budget constraints, outside of Cano (which is on it’s own schedule) that is what he will address first.

    We all hope those two starters are Tanaka and Kuroda but realistically there’s a real good chance the Yanks won’t get either. So instead of thinking about Salty, McCann, Granderson Beltran and the like, we probably should be looking at the pitching out there because that’s the area the Yanks are most likely to move.

  719. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    “The Yanks have nothing to trade for Freese that the Cards would want or wouldn’t be topped by a better offer from another team. Plus, the Yanks need a 3B who can also play SS, which isn’t David Freese.”

    which is Peralta….or trade for Castro or Andrus somehow.

  720. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    If Kuroda doesn’t come back and they don’t get Tanaka then really the only other impact starter out there is Garza and that’s a bad contract waiting to happen IMO.

    I think it’s very important for the Yankees to know when to punt this winter and if things just aren’t materializing then it’s better to do that than to do something stupid and set yourself back even farther.

    If they can’t put a serious contender on the field in 2014 then just hold…..keep the draft pick….get under the cap to get it over with….and regroup for 2015.

    The worst thing they can do is go half way….forfeit the draft pick and then still lose anyway in 2014……

  721. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    We all hope those two starters are Tanaka and Kuroda but realistically there’s a real good chance the Yanks won’t get either. So instead of thinking about Salty, McCann, Granderson Beltran and the like, we probably should be looking at the pitching out there because that’s the area the Yanks are most likely to move.

    —————

    This is true.. thing is, I wonder how they approach things as the big fish (Tanaka) won’t be in play for….. well…. I don’t even know what the time table on that is.

    Man, looking at some of these pitching contracts.. Garza is going to make bank, huh? We haven’t talked much about his worth in light of some of these other deals.

  722. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    not at all, blake. Yanks had a great rotation in 12, they did not hit that included Cano whose playoff performance was pathetic. that’s what we talking about right? Why would the tigers wanting to invest that kind of money for average playoff performer while they could give it to Scherzer and roll with what they have.

    I do not think Cano can put anyone over the top with playoff track record.

  723. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    I don’t see how not spending rebuilds. In what way?

  724. bigdan22 November 22nd, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    “Cano + Miggy would be impossible to pitch to.”

    What about Fielder and Miggy? How did that work out? I’ve seen Cano get pretty damn cold in the post season. Funny, but it seems your post season offensive hero is just as likely to be Friese or Billy Martin or Brian Doyle as it is to Miggy or Cano.

    Hitting is most def not a sure thing in the post season so bringing in a super expensive player with huge backend costs to get you “over the top” just doesn’t make a lot of sense.

  725. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    blake-

    Peralta would make sense if they could convince him to play third. I’d love a Castro or Andrus trade but I’m dubious to say the least.

  726. Ys Guy November 22nd, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    boy, you think we have it bad, think about the poor met’s fans.

    they passed on marlin byrd who really helped them out last season and signed with philly for 2/$16 and instead signed chris young (who batted .200 last year) for $7M.

    i think sandy alderson has no clue about new yorkers or mets fans, he is totally unsuited to be running a team here.

    i got a groupon this morning for met’s tickets $11 each. of course i passed it up because there will be better seats on stubhub next season for $8 and below.

  727. J. Alfred Prufrock November 22nd, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Cano had a nightmare 2012 postseason, but he was at his worst because he was chasing the jacksh!t he was getting all year because of no protection in that 2012 “power” lineup.

    I’ll not soon forget Cano getting BB’d with the bases loaded against Seattle in Andy’s first regular-season game back in NYS to concede a run but so the Mariners could then pitch to Tex.

    That Yankee team was not going to win anything, and a handful of us here never bought that the 2012 lineup could survive against the kind of arms Detroit was going to throw at us.

    In fact, we maintained all season long that the Yankees’ lineup, with its slow bats and dearth of good contact hitters, was going to get owned in the postseason by pitching.

    That’s what happened.

  728. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    “I do not think Cano can put anyone over the top with playoff track record.”

    Cano hit .348 .375 .913 1.288 in the 2011 ALCS vs Texas and he hit .318 .375 .682 1.057 in the 2012 ALCS vs Detroit…….you’re basing your opinion off 1 playoff series?

    They could sign Scherzer and Cano if they wanted to…..they only have 82 million on the books now for 2014 with Prince gone….a very rich owner and a bunch of cap space.

    Also….Detroit was just an example team for my point….the point wasn’t meant to be specific to them.

  729. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    I don’t see how not spending rebuilds. In what way?

    ———–

    Tend to agree mac.. we have so many holes there will be plenty of room for young talent on the club when it’s ready, even if you hand out a few long term deals this off season. Handing out a deal for an OFer doesn’t block anyone. Neither does handing out a deal for a starter. Or a left INFer.

    The only place you can make an argument about a long term deal not making sense might be at the catching position.. and I don’t think that’s a priority for the Yankees anyway, despite the reported interest in McCann. They’ve already started talking about 6 years for McCann.. that’s crazy. They can get a Suzuki or AJP or Navarro on short term pacts for less without blocking any of the kids.

  730. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    I meant 2010 and 2011 above….not 2011 and 2012.

  731. J. Alfred Prufrock November 22nd, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    What’s scary is, at least the 2012 team gave some fans false hope (not me).

    If Hal can’t even put up a cosmetic job to please those who prefer to squint over dead-eyeing what the team really is, they’re not drawing anyone to come out to pay their ridiculous prices.

    Those, for instance, who don’t attend games, but who would normally drive to such an event: you pay $35 before you even get past the turnstiles.

    A Cano-less Yankee team? No one’s going to the games.

  732. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    nobody hit in that ALCS in 2012……Jeter got hurt and the team just died…..like their head had been chopped off. Nobody else could hit and Cano got pitched around the whole series…..that’s hardly evidence of anything

  733. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Cano playing 2B for any team makes that team better.

    The way to win the WS is to have the better team.

    Anyone that thinks Cano wouldn’t help a team’s chances of being a better team is speaking crazy.

  734. luis November 22nd, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Mac,

    Sucking improves the drafting position. Expands the money pool for IFA… We will get a chance to draft sure fire talent, which we haven’t since Jeter.. That’s how it helps to rebuild…

  735. bigdan22 November 22nd, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    “If Kuroda doesn’t come back and they don’t get Tanaka then really the only other impact starter out there is Garza and that’s a bad contract waiting to happen IMO”

    And of course what complicates this more is there probably won’t be anything definitive on Tanaka or Kuroda until January. So if the Yanks are filling that 400 inning hole through the FA market, it most likely will be with the products on the shelf at that time.

  736. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    i think sandy alderson has no clue about new yorkers or mets fans, he is totally unsuited to be running a team here.

    ——————-

    That’s not fair to Sandy, who is a great baseball guy.

    The Mets, despite some reports otherwise, are still on a pretty lean budget. That’s the long and short of it. Sandy is just cleaning up and trying to get the finances back in order.

  737. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Blake, Cano has a ops of sub 700 and 220 average in the playoff for his playoff career. no, I am basing it what have seen from him.

  738. bigdan22 November 22nd, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    “Anyone that thinks Cano wouldn’t help a team’s chances of being a better team is speaking crazy.”

    I don’t think anyone is saying that Shame. This issue is cost and relative value. Of course Cano significantly improves any team he’s on. But is it wise to add him to a team that’s already going to the playoffs at a cost of $200-300MM and maybe 8-10 years?

  739. luis November 22nd, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Also… They need to spend smartly… IMO, they need to spend in their scouting and player development areas…

  740. Ys Guy November 22nd, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    i think sandy alderson is funny and obviously a nice guy.

    i also think he’s completely out of his element in new york.

    those two things are not mutually exclusive.

  741. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    “Blake, Cano has a ops of sub 700 and 220 average in the playoff for his playoff career. no, I am basing it what have seen from him.”

    you’re basing it off very small samples….most of which were years ago.

  742. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    “But is it wise to add him to a team that’s already going to the playoffs at a cost of $200-300MM and maybe 8-10 years?”

    I think it depends on the team…..some teams are already going to the playoffs and have a lot of money to spend. Texas and Detroit both have plenty of “cap space”……I get your point but you have to remember how much money is in the game right now too

  743. Against All Odds November 22nd, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    .you’re basing your opinion off 1 playoff series?

    ——————

    You would be surprised how many fans have done that to Cano since he became a FA.

  744. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    blake, i am basing on watching Cano hit all these years. he gets himself out and is not a reliable source of productions in the playoff. you can’t have both ways, citing the two best years of his production while ignore the rest. 200 AB is not small sample if we are going to go that route. Why do you think guys like Papi, Manny and Miggy produces at greater rate than Cano? because they are better hitters.

  745. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    “What about Fielder and Miggy? How did that work out?”

    Well not bad considering they almost won it all in 2012 and were in the ALCS this year …..cano is better than Prince anyway…..he was worth like 5 more wins this year

  746. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    I don’t think anyone is saying that Shame. This issue is cost and relative value. Of course Cano significantly improves any team he’s on. But is it wise to add him to a team that’s already going to the playoffs at a cost of $200-300MM and maybe 8-10 years?

    ————————–

    I get the crux of the argument but I think something gets lost in this ‘player that puts you over the edge’ debate.. it’s a team game, plain and simple. The better players you have at each position, the better your chances are of winning.

    Cano makes every team in the league better.. if a team is already a playoff team without Cano, that playoff team just got better. I think for teams like the Tigers and Rangers, that are already pretty good in terms of make up, trying to say Cano wouldn’t be a difference maker is presumptuous and generally faulty logic. Cano is a good player (cannot repeat this enough – the best player at his position) who would only make a team better and therefore give that team a better chance to win. Could Cano magically stop hitting in October..? Sure I guess. But I’m not betting on that. Just like I wouldn’t with Fielder just because he had a crappy playoff run this year.

    And yes, for some teams I think the cost of a $200 contract is worth a championship. The Tigers last won in the 80s, a full generation ago. The Texas Rangers have never won a World Series. $200 million dollars is absolutely worth it.

  747. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    blake, i am basing on watching Cano hit all these years. he gets himself out and is not a reliable source of productions in the playoff. you can’t have both ways, citing the two best years of his production while ignore the rest. 200 AB is not small sample if we are going to go that route. Why do you think guys like Papi, Manny and Miggy produces at greater rate than Cano? because they are better hitters.”

    I guess you misremember him almost single handedly beating Texas in 2010 when he had actual protection in the lineup and OPSing over 1 in the 2011 ALCS vs Detroit?

  748. luis November 22nd, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Later guys… Good posts all around

  749. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    “What about Fielder and Miggy? How did that work out?”

    Well not bad considering they almost won it all in 2012 and were in the ALCS this year …..cano is better than Prince anyway…..he was worth like 5 more wins this year

    ————–

    If the Tigers had a better pen….

    And yeah, Cano’s D is always ignored. There was some sloppy defensive baseball being played this fall.

  750. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    I am never going to bet on Cano not hitting.. just like I wouldn’t bet on Fielder not hitting. Baseball is a streaky game. Cano PUT US IN the playoffs in 2012.

  751. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    “Why do you think guys like Papi, Manny and Miggy produces at greater rate than Cano? because they are better hitters.”

    That’s like saying Scottie Pippen sucks because he’s not Jordan

  752. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    :arrow:

  753. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Luis,

    Finishing low in the standings and getting better draft choices is a long and risky process. Ask the Pirates or the Royals.

  754. Against All Odds November 22nd, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    “Anyone that thinks Cano wouldn’t help a team’s chances of being a better team is speaking crazy.”

    —————-

    Head over to the yes board and enter any Cano thread and you’ll see fans even downplaying his durability. This is the one thing I dislike about a section of fans when a top player is becoming a free agent and is looking to cash in. The player all of sudden becomes less of a guy and every wart is highlighted times a billion.

    Jeter puts up ten yrs of excellent play, becomes a FA, and he is labeled greedy.

    Cano one of the few homegrown bright spots in recent yrs comes up and becomes the best at his position. But he doesn’t hustle all the time so he doesn’t care about the sport, is selfish, and should be replaced by a gritty player.

  755. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    .. if a team is already a playoff team without Cano, that playoff team just got better.
    ———-
    we are not discussing Cano in a vacuum here. we are talking about allocation of resources with available pool of FAs. Can McCann make a team better or what you have out there in term A list.

    I am saying that just cuz Cano make a playoff team better doesn’t a team with sign him consider the other options that might be available to them at less dollars and years.

  756. bigdan22 November 22nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    I understand the counter argument. There’s a lot of money out there and Cano without a doubt increases a team’s likelihood of a championship. But consider opportunity cost as well because these teams are. Money spent on Cano now is money that may not be available five years from now to fill a real hole. Of course that guy in Detroit may not live that long.

    Since it’s not their money, I’m fairly certain any team’s fan would be pretty damn delighted if their team added Cano as a free agent this winter.

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