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And now we wait

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 22, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’m still on vacation, but here’s a quick update on the Alex Rodriguez appeal hearing, which has ended. Rodriguez told our buddy Wallace Matthews that he feels good about the evidence (or lack of evidence), but — as he’s made very clear in the past few months and weeks — he doesn’t trust the system. 

Alex RodriguezNEW YORK (AP) — Now the waiting begins for Alex Rodriguez and Major League Baseball.

A-Rod’s grievance hearing to overturn his 211-game suspension ended Thursday when both sides rested their cases, a day after the New York Yankees third baseman angrily walked out and decided not to testify in his own defense.

The sides set a schedule to file briefs and reply briefs next month, which will close the record and submit the matter to arbitrator Fredric Horowitz.

His decision on whether to uphold or alter the discipline for the three-time AL MVP likely will be made in January, a person familiar with the proceedings told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because no statements were authorized.

Rodriguez’s lawyers already are vowing to challenge the ruling in federal court, where judges usually are reticent to overturn an arbitration decision unless there is a finding the arbitrator was biased, exceeded his authority or failed to comply with the rules agreed to by the parties.

The exact timing of a decision is uncertain. Baseball’s Joint Drug Agreement states the arbitrator shall make “all reasonable efforts” to close the record in time to permit a decision within 25 days of the start of the hearing. But in this case, the hearing began Sept. 30, making that timetable impossible to meet.

After the arbitrator renders his decision, the written opinion is to be issued within 30 days. It is unclear if Horowitz will issue his written opinion simultaneously with his decision.

The timing of the case could complicate planning for the Yankees, who don’t know if they will have to pay Rodriguez his $25 million salary and are unsure whether they will need a different starting third baseman.

Rodriguez was suspended by MLB on Aug. 5 for alleged violations of baseball’s drug policy and labor agreement stemming from the league’s investigation of the Biogenesis of America anti-aging clinic in Florida. The players’ association filed a grievance, and because Rodriguez was a first-time offender of the drug agreement, the discipline automatically was stayed pending a resolution of the grievance.

Horowitz heard the case in a trio of four-day sessions, with management presenting its case from Sept. 30-Oct. 3 and Oct. 15-18. Rodriguez’s side then took its turn during the first four days of this week.

While Horowitz had set aside six additional days for testimony through Wednesday, that time was not needed.

Rodriguez left in the middle of the 11th session Wednesday, furious the arbitrator refused to order baseball Commissioner Bud Selig to testify. Rodriguez and his lawyers then went on radio and television, accusing Selig of bias and the entire arbitration process of being flawed.

His lawyers returned without him Thursday to complete their case, and MLB started and finished its rebuttal. At the end of the hearing, the sides learned union head Michael Weiner had died from the brain tumor he was diagnosed with 15 months ago.

Outside MLB’s offices, representatives of the New York Hispanic Clergy Organization, including state Sen. Ruben Diaz, held a prayer vigil to express opposition to Rodriguez’s discipline.

Rodriguez lawyer James McCarroll issued a statement Thursday pointing out that this case is the first grievance under the drug agreement involving discipline that didn’t stem from a positive test and involved “the commissioner’s discretion and decision-making.” While he said the commissioner in the past “was harshly criticized in the arbitrator’s decision for not voluntarily appearing at a grievance,” that statement appears to refer to arbitrator George Nicolau’s 1987 decision cutting Peter Ueberroth’s drug suspension of pitcher LaMarr Hoyt from one season to 60 days.

While Horowitz has issued an order for the proceeding to be confidential, Rodriguez’s lawyers are considering making some of the evidence public. Rodriguez spokesman Ron Berkowitz said Friday nothing would be released until next week.

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162 Responses to “And now we wait”

  1. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    blake says:
    November 22, 2013 at 1:12 pm
    “Why do you think guys like Papi, Manny and Miggy produces at greater rate than Cano? because they are better hitters.”

    That’s like saying Scottie Pippen sucks because he’s not Jordan

  2. Against All Odds November 22nd, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    “Anyone that thinks Cano wouldn’t help a team’s chances of being a better team is speaking crazy.”

    —————-

    Head over to the yes board and enter any Cano thread and you’ll see fans even downplaying his durability. This is the one thing I dislike about a section of fans when a top player is becoming a free agent and is looking to cash in. The player all of sudden becomes less of a guy and every wart is highlighted times a billion.

    Jeter puts up ten yrs of excellent play, becomes a FA, and he is labeled greedy.

    Cano one of the few homegrown bright spots in recent yrs comes up and becomes the best at his position. But he doesn’t hustle all the time so he doesn’t care about the sport, is selfish, and should be replaced by a gritty player.

  3. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Didn’t Cano’s 2012 September push us to the playoffs that year…??

    If people want to bet against a player that is consistent, so be it. But I can’t look at a calendar and go ‘oh yeah, this guy won’t hit this month’ with anyone other than Tex.

  4. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    That’s like saying Scottie Pippen sucks because he’s not Jordan
    —–
    i am saying Cano wants to pay like Jordan and many team might recognize that he is not.

  5. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Cano is awesome…..only reason I wouldn’t want the yanks to keep him is because of Hals stupid budget.

    Only player with more value the last two seasons is Trout by WAR

  6. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    *teams

  7. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    #get paid.

  8. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    One thing is for sure.. the team that could conceivably benefit the most from spending huge dollars on a player of Cano’s caliber is either a team that has never won a WS (Mariners, Rangers, Astros, Brewers, Padres, Nationals) or hasn’t in many years (Cubs, Cleveland, Tigers, Orioles, Pirates, Royals).

    For any of those clubs, if they achieve a championship, whatever money is spend is worth it. From that list, you just need to narrow the contenders. For any of those clubs you could absolutely argue that whatever the cost, it is worth it.

  9. bigdan22 November 22nd, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Re-post:

    I understand the counter argument. There’s a lot of money out there and Cano without a doubt increases a team’s likelihood of a championship. But consider opportunity cost as well because these teams are. Money spent on Cano now is money that may not be available five years from now to fill a real hole. Of course that guy in Detroit may not live that long.

    Since it’s not their money, I’m fairly certain any team’s fan would be pretty damn delighted if their team added Cano as a free agent this winter.

  10. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    i am saying Cano wants to pay like Jordan and many team might recognize that he is not.

    —————

    Cano wants to be paid as the market dictates he be paid… right now, the market dictates mediocre players should receive good salaries and good players should receive elite salaries.

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock November 22nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Against All Odds November 22nd, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    .you’re basing your opinion off 1 playoff series?

    ——————

    You would be surprised how many fans have done that to Cano since he became a FA.
    ///

    Odds,

    I am on the way out, but Cano is the most misunderstood Yankee – in terms of the perception of what he is vs. what he actually is – probably in my lifetime, at least by a certain segment of the fan base.

    I am often astonished by how cavalier some fans are about his potentially leaving, and the cries here and elsewhere that he is not Dustin Pedroia – an inferior talent – is embarrassing enough to make me wince.

    Have a good day.

  12. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    You know what.. let’s not fight about Cano guys. Let’s talk about something else: trading Tex.

    Tex to the Angels for Hamilton + $26 million cash consideration.

    :D

    Go ahead, go ahead.. I know, I know..

  13. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    I think Cano makes the most sense for a team that’s already good and has a 3-4 year window to win a title……that’s where he can be maximized.

    A team that’s 3 or 4 years away makes little sense toe because by the time they are ready to win Cano will be in decline……if you’re signing Cano then you’re signing him for now

  14. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    “Tex to the Angels for Hamilton + $26 million cash consideration.”

    I doubt the Angels want a spare washed up 1B on a big contract ;)

  15. Cashmoney November 22nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    got to run, good discussions everyone. Shame, i think he will get pay and I am not dissing him. I think what i see so far this year is that teams are willing to pay for power, I have yet to get a sense how many years any given teams are willing give out for premium stars, that is yet to be determined since no one notable i know have signed.

    time will tell.

  16. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    “Tex to the Angels for Hamilton + $26 million cash consideration.”

    I doubt the Angels want a spare washed up 1B on a big contract ;)

    ————–

    :lol:

    I like that that was your only criticism.

  17. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Cashmoney – That’s a good point about the years. When I heard 6 being floated for McCann that was pretty surprising..it’ll be fun to see how it plays out.

  18. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    “I like that that was your only criticism.”

    Hey i’d do that….Hamilton might bounce back. I’d pretty much give Tex away if somebody would take his contract…..then use that money to sign McCann and Napoli

  19. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    I’d pretty much give Tex away if somebody would take his contract….

    ————————

    Yeah basically.

    After trying to trade him the other day, I thought I should find a team that had a big contract they wanted to shed that didn’t have too man years on it. Hamilton’s swing is at least more suited to NYS than Tex’s.. but obv it’s still a lot of money to take on, even if the Angels kick in.

  20. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    If there was a trade to be made for Tex then Cashman might have just missed it…..not that Texas would have rather had him than Fielder…..but he’s a lot cheaper….switch hits and plays much better defense.

    Would Texas have preferred Tex for Kinsler rather than Prince for Kinsler? I doubt it…..but it’s possible…..however that no trade would as usual would be a problem.

  21. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    For his latest Rumblings & Grumblings piece, ESPN’s Jayson Stark spoke with several executives about the ultimate destination of Robinson Cano. One NL executive said: “I keep hearing there’s no interest. I don’t believe it.” Stark agrees and hypothesizes that the lack of a market for Cano has been well-crafted by the Yankees leaking their own seven-year, $168MM offer in reaction to Cano’s $310MM demand. One AL exec told Stark: “If you had a situation where everyone remained objective and everyone played it smart and you had teams that thought they could sign Robinson Cano for $120 million, you’d probably have five or six teams in on it. Then you’d set $120 million as the starting point and start the bidding, and see how much higher it gets.” Stark feels that by starting the bar high, the Yankees have set the early market to a market of one. The same NL exec who didn’t buy the lack of interest said that eventually teams who are chasing Jacoby Ellsbury, Shin-Soo Choo and Brian McCann will say, “Wait a second. Cano’s a much better player than those guys,” and change direction. Stark runs down some possible late-emerging suitors. Here’s more from his excellent piece…

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

    I don’t buy that nobody else is interested in Cano either……I think lots of teams are they just don’t want the price any higher than it has to be…..and starting the bidding now just pushes it up higher. Cano is gonna get at least 200 million IMO…..

  22. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Yeah, teams are just waiting to see how the market develops and who comes off the board early… I think the ‘no interest’ talk is just that. I’m with Stark, I don’t buy it at all.

  23. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    What’s funny about that piece is that guys like Choo might be in the $100-120 million range… McCann could potentially get 6 years at a brutal position… he might be right, Cano on an 8-9 year deal might not be so nuts and could be considered the better allocation of resources in some cases.

  24. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    I think Choo is a better value in a vacuum at 100-120 than Cano is at 200 million but the problem for the Yankees is that they need both to be better than last year……either or won’t cut it. If they let Cano walk then it’s just going to be too difficult to both replace him and get better…..they could get back to where they were last year by signing Choo and somebody else like Infante sure…..but then they still aren’t good enough and they lost their draft pick to do it.

  25. sammiejohnson November 22nd, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 35s
    Source: #Angels trade Bourjos to #STLCards. Freese presumably going to Anaheim. That part presently unconfirmed.

  26. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    sammiejohnson November 22nd, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 35s
    Source: #Angels trade Bourjos to #STLCards. Freese presumably going to Anaheim. That part presently unconfirmed.

    ——————-

    Man…

  27. bigdan22 November 22nd, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    “For his latest Rumblings & Grumblings piece, ESPN’s Jayson Stark spoke with several executives about the ultimate destination of Robinson Cano. One NL executive said: “I keep hearing there’s no interest. I don’t believe it.” Stark agrees and hypothesizes that the lack of a market for Cano has been well-crafted by the Yankees leaking their own seven-year, $168MM offer in reaction to Cano’s $310MM demand. One AL exec told Stark: “If you had a situation where everyone remained objective and everyone played it smart and you had teams that thought they could sign Robinson Cano for $120 million, you’d probably have five or six teams in on it. Then you’d set $120 million as the starting point and start the bidding, and see how much higher it gets.” Stark feels that by starting the bar high, the Yankees have set the early market to a market of one. The same NL exec who didn’t buy the lack of interest said that eventually teams who are chasing Jacoby Ellsbury, Shin-Soo Choo and Brian McCann will say, “Wait a second. Cano’s a much better player than those guys,” and change direction. Stark runs down some possible late-emerging suitors. Here’s more from his excellent piece…”

    This article stopped being an excellent piece when it mentioned $120MM as a theoretical starting point for Cano. Jay Z is a musician not a comedian so I’m not sure he’d appreciate that kind of humor. Moreover it wasn’t the Yanks who set the bar high.

  28. bigdan22 November 22nd, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    I honestly think if the Yanks could take Colon off the market now for a reasonable two year deal they should do it pronto. With the way this pitching market is shaping up things are just going to get more and more crazy and the Yanks can’t wait till Jan to find out if they are shut out on Kuroda and Tanaka. If they wait to Jan they be overpaying big time then for garbage. Sure Colon is ancient and signing him now may make Kuroda too expensive later but I think Kuroda is a bit of a long shot anyway. The pitching need is just too great to wait.

  29. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    makes sense for the Angels for sure and I guess for the Cards too…..it’s quite funny that the Yankees have nobody as good as Bourjos to trade.

  30. jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    The Yanks have nothing to trade for Freese that the Cards would want or wouldn’t be topped by a better offer from another team. Plus, the Yanks need a 3B who can also play SS, which isn’t David Freese.

    I still don’t see the logic behind thinking the Yankees *need* a 3B who can play SS. In addition,they signed Ryan so it looks like they already have their SS backup plan.

    Anyway, it looks like Freese is going to the Angles for Bourjos.

    Another season of watching players disappear while the Yankees sit there like a deer in the headlights.

  31. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    “I still don’t see the logic behind thinking the Yankees *need* a 3B who can play SS. In addition,they signed Ryan so it looks like they already have their SS backup plan.”

    because what are you going to do if in March Jeter actually can’t play SS…..there is a real possibility of that…..then you can’t find one and either Nunez or Ryan has to play there. Not good……

  32. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    “it’s quite funny that the Yankees have nobody as good as Bourjos to trade.”

    I find it hard to laugh…

  33. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    “I still don’t see the logic behind thinking the Yankees *need* a 3B who can play SS.”

    You don’t? I guess it depends on ARod. But even if ARod comes back, between ARod and Jeter the Yanks need a 3B/SS in my opinion.

    If Ryan starts 50 games the Yanks aren’t in the post-season.

  34. sammiejohnson November 22nd, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    I think it makes good sense for St.L as well. They get a real CFer, move Carpenter to 3B and play Wong at 2B. If it only cost them Freese I think they got a deal.

  35. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Boujos is pretty much the outfield version of Brenden Ryan

  36. jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    It seems likely to me that if Jeter is healthy he intends to and is going to play SS. If he is not healthy he is not going to play. If Jeter doesn’t play and you move your 3B to SS, who plays 3B?

  37. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    I think it makes sense for both teams…..

  38. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    “Boujos is pretty much the outfield version of Brenden Ryan”

    Boujos has a lifetime OPS+ of 98, vs Ryan’s 72.

  39. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    “It seems likely to me that if Jeter is healthy he intends to and is going to play SS. If he is not healthy he is not going to play. If Jeter doesn’t play and you move your 3B to SS, who plays 3B?”

    Probably won’t be anything like that clean.

  40. sammiejohnson November 22nd, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    I thought Bourjos looked better at the plate last year before he went down. He hit .274/.333/.377/.710 but he only had 175 AB. Guess we will see.

    St.L still needs a SS and LAA still need pitching also.

  41. Patrick November 22nd, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Glad the Angels went after Freese, I didn’t want the Yanks to overpay for him.

  42. 4TrainNorth November 22nd, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Who is going to pay more than the Yankees will for Cano? I just don’t believe it. I think the lack of interest is real, not just perceived. This 300+ nonsense must have a lot of execs shaking their heads. You think they want to be intimidated by a hip-hop star?

  43. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    “Boujos has a lifetime OPS+ of 98, vs Ryan’s 72.”

    much smaller sample for Bourjos though…..he’s a pretty terrible hitter. He does steal bases though if he ever gets on base

  44. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 11m
    Peralta has been asking in the 4-yr $56M range to as much as $75M for 5. #Mets #Yankees interested, but not at those prices. Will they fall?

    yea that’s steep

  45. Patrick November 22nd, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    This whole A-rod thing is putting a major crimp in the Yankees’ plans. Will he be on the team in 2014 and more importantly will his $33 million count against the luxury tax? I’m starting to think that the Yankees might abandon the $189 plan and just go all out for 2014. After 2014 we drop Jeter, Soriano, Wells, Ichiro and maybe then they can try to get the payroll lower.

    I just hope they don’t make a bunch of 1 year deals with aging veterans in an attempt to compete THIS year. That was clearly the plan in 2013 and it failed miserably due to injuries.

  46. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    “Who is going to pay more than the Yankees will for Cano? I just don’t believe it. ”

    I don’t know that anyone will…..but a lot of teams could depending on how high the Yankees will go. If their top offer is like 180 million then I think somebody can and will top them.

    Nats, Dodgers, Tigers, Rangers, Cubs….even the Red Sox could get involved.

  47. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    I wouldn’t want Peralta at those prices. Over his career he’s just an average hitter, although he’s more like boom or bust in any given year.

  48. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Can’t see the Tigers going for Cano after getting Kinsler.

  49. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    “I just hope they don’t make a bunch of 1 year deals with aging veterans in an attempt to compete THIS year. That was clearly the plan in 2013 and it failed miserably due to injuries.”

    honestly I’d prefer they do that and keep the draft pick and stay flexible than make some ill fated attempt at competing……I could see them signing Beltran and proclaiming that fixes the offense…..that would be typical of them and would accomplish nothing but losing their draft pick.

    They either need to forget the budget all together and sign a bunch of players…..or they need to get under the cap, keep the pick, and stay flexible.

  50. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    “I’m starting to think that the Yankees might abandon the $189 plan and just go all out for 2014.”

    I’d like to believe it, but I am doubtful because 2014 is basically their one chance to get under $189M. Once ARod comes back for all or a big chunk of the year it will be very, very difficult to get under the cap.

  51. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    “Can’t see the Tigers going for Cano after getting Kinsler.”

    they might not but Kinsler can play outfield and he probably could play 3B too…..if Miggy can play there then Kinsler could. I’m just saying that there are a lot of possibilites for Cano….way more than people are saying. The best player on the market always has suitors…..especially elite up the middle guys in their prime.

  52. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Hal is getting under the cap sooner or later…..if the Yankees can’t realistically put a contender on the field in 2014 then this may be the best time to go ahead and do it and get it over with.

  53. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Why would the Yanks want to sign Beltran instead of Granderson? I know reports seem to indicate that, but it doesn’t make sense to me.

  54. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Mark Bowman ?@mlbbowman 6m
    The #Braves have hired John Hart as senior advisor to their baseball operations department. Hart and Schuerholz are longtime friends

  55. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    “I’m just saying that there are a lot of possibilites for Cano….way more than people are saying. ”

    Totally agree.

  56. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    “Why would the Yanks want to sign Beltran instead of Granderson? I know reports seem to indicate that, but it doesn’t make sense to me.”

    they are dummies. I don’t know…..depends on what Granderson wants…..if the draft pick isn’t attached I’d rather have Beltran for 2 years than Granderson for 4…..but we don’t know what the price difference will be. If that’s all they are doing then I’d rather have Granderson if the money is close because I’d want to keep that pick and he’s a lot younger……if they have already lost the pick to sign somebody else and the choice is Beltran at 2/25 or Granderson at 4/50 then I’m rather have Beltran

  57. AAA November 22nd, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    much smaller sample for Bourjos though…..he’s a pretty terrible hitter. He does steal bases though if he ever gets on base

    =================

    Also one of the top 3 defensive CF’s in the game right now. I like the deal better for the Cards than I do the Halos.

  58. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    blake-

    Yeah, I guess, but something tells me that if Granderson could get 4/50 then Beltran could get a premium for the shorter term, closer to 15 per.

  59. 4TrainNorth November 22nd, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    I think Cano must be looking at Pujols and the damage he’s already done to his legacy in Anaheim. Especially if we’re to believe how intent Cano (and not just the pr folks) is on capitalizing on off-the-field marketing opportunities.

  60. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    That Arod money worries me… and I dunno how it helps them long term. It’s designed for short term deals.

    Maybe they’ll use it to patch together the rotation with guys like Kuroda, Colon, Arroyo, Halladay, etc on short term 1 or 2 year deals. Arod’s money could cover four Josh Johnsons.

  61. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    “Also one of the top 3 defensive CF’s in the game right now. I like the deal better for the Cards than I do the Halos.”

    as do I but it works for both teams really…..they traded spare part for spare part.

  62. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    :arrow:

  63. pete2 November 22nd, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    “I’d like to believe it, but I am doubtful because 2014 is basically their one chance to get under $189M. Once ARod comes back for all or a big chunk of the year it will be very, very difficult to get under the cap.”

    Arod is gone after 2017. So whats the hurry? They have paid 20 million+ in tax since its inception.

    I mean, so they get under the cap in 2014, and save on tax and collect the rebate which taken together (including the lower salary) is worth about 60 million (compared to if they go 30 million over the cap) .

    Yet they are talking about spending 70 million on a posting fee for Tanaka to help get under the cap in 2014.

    And if they go over the cap when Arod comes back because they sign Cano to a 25 million AAV deal, they lose the rebates, and if they go 30 million over they only save about 10 million on tax because the rate was reset.

    All this to save 60 million in 2014 (a year they get 25 million in extra money from national TV), and 10 million in 2015 (remember their revenues are close to 600 million)

    In 2013 attendance was down 400 thousand from its peak in 2009, and by not competing in 2014 they could easily be another 400 thousand down after the disaster that was 2013. That’s a loss in revenues of 60 million from 2009 and 30 million from 2013 not including YES revenue drop due to lower ratings and merchandise sales.

    Throw the cap out the window and build a competitive team and recover that lost revenue to pay the tax and additional salary. It would be nice to have that 15 million in rebates but if you don’t spend it what are you going to do with it besides buy another condo for Hank or Hal.

    None of this makes sense to me.

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