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Take David Freese off the Yankees list of trade targets

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 22, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Now we know for sure, the Yankees aren’t getting David Freese from the Cardinals.

Freese has instead been traded to another American League team in need of a third baseman. The Cardinals sent Freese and reliever Fernando Salas to Anaheim for defensive standout Peter Bourjos and a solid outfield prospect named Randal Grichuk.

When the Yankees were connected to Freese — beyond speculation, but in reports of actual trade talks — we learned pretty quickly that the two teams seemed to be a bad match. The Cardinals wanted big-league-ready outfield depth and the Yankees didn’t have that to offer. Brett Gardner might have done the trick, but that would have opened as many holes as it filled (and is Freese really better than Gardner?).

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612 Responses to “Take David Freese off the Yankees list of trade targets”

  1. Against All Odds November 22nd, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    The Cardinals wanted big-league-ready outfield depth and the Yankees didn’t have that to offer.

    ————————

    What else is new

  2. Against All Odds November 22nd, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:09 pm
    Mark Bowman ?@mlbbowman 6m
    The #Braves have hired John Hart as senior advisor to their baseball operations department. Hart and Schuerholz are longtime friends

    ———–

    Chip won’t be happy about that.

  3. Patrick November 22nd, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    I’d like to believe it, but I am doubtful because 2014 is basically their one chance to get under $189M. Once ARod comes back for all or a big chunk of the year it will be very, very difficult to get under the cap.

    Hal keeps talking about how 189 is a goal but that the main goal is to compete for the playoffs. If that is the truth then the next time the Yankees could actually meet the 189 goal is probably 2017, the year that Tex and CC come off the books. The only alternative is if the Yankees somehow hit on a lot of prospects that turn into all star players. Which is not going to happen.

    The only question is, what is more important to the Yankees – making the playoffs or staying under 189? If the former I think we will see some big moves this offseason.

  4. AAA November 22nd, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    (and is Freese really better than Gardner?).

    ======================

    That’s a negative ghost rider

  5. 4TrainNorth November 22nd, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    We’re gonna have a motley crew next year, no matter what happens.

  6. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    soon enough they will run out of options thus the the signing frenzy of 30 something year olds that are on the downward slide …

  7. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    it seems the Yankees never have anything anybody else wants in a trade.

  8. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    “Hal keeps talking about how 189 is a goal but that the main goal is to compete for the playoffs. ”

    Arod says he didn’t take steroids too……Hal is a snake oil peddler..

  9. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    C..?
    1B..Tex
    2nd..?
    3r..?
    SS..Jeter maybe
    LF..Gardner
    CF..?
    RF..Iricho & Wells
    DH..?

    not even going into theSPing which has a bunch of holes in it

  10. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Against All Odds November 22nd, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:09 pm
    Mark Bowman ?@mlbbowman 6m
    The #Braves have hired John Hart as senior advisor to their baseball operations department. Hart and Schuerholz are longtime friends

    ———–

    Chip won’t be happy about that.
    ——————

    Mother %&*($
    Son of a (*$%*#
    Piece of *&$#
    $&#($&*)*%)#&%)*$)#(*)(%&#)(%*&#)

  11. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:34 pm
    it seems the Yankees never have anything anybody else wants in a trade.

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    I would have traded Gardner to St Louis

  12. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    2014 Yankee lineup

    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Beltran RF
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Soriano LF
    Ibanez DH
    Chavez 3B
    Cervelli C

    get excited!

  13. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    “I would have traded Gardner to St Louis”

    for Freese? why?

  14. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    The only question is, what is more important to the Yankees – making the playoffs or staying under 189? If the former I think we will see some big moves this offseason.

    ——————–

    Yeah I hope we do…

    Planning for $189 in 2017 always made the most sense.. they’ve spent 2 off seasons trying to fit a circle into a square for 2014 and it may have been all for nothing. If they shift gears now they still have a shot. Problem is, they made it a lot harder for themselves in the process. Implementing a budget with a goal 5 years down the road is a lot easier to achieve than one that’s 3 years away… and all of the missed opportunities in between have been setbacks.

  15. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Chip,
    the Yanks don’t need smart baseball guys in the front office…..they have a bevy of number crunching nerds turning out prime prospects!

  16. AAA November 22nd, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    I would have traded Gardner to St Louis

    =====================

    For Freese? That’s ridiculous.

  17. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    I’m extremely bitter right now…..I need some bbq

  18. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:38 pm
    “I would have traded Gardner to St Louis”

    for Freese? why?

    ———————————-
    would have asked for a RP back plus Freese

  19. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    it seems the Yankees never have anything anybody else wants in a trade.

    ————-

    Their problem is they don’t have enough of them and they have so many holes it’s like plugging one and opening another. They have no position of strength to deal from. None.

    Nova and Gardner are your best trade chips. Gardner is now worth less because he’s only a year from FA.

    I get why people want to keep Nova, but if this team is going to make a trade they need to sell high on someone and he might be their only option.

  20. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    David Cameron ?@DCameronFG 17m
    Steamer basically thinks Peter Bourjos is Jacoby Ellsbury minus 20 points of wOBA. Cards got that for David Freese.

    David Cameron is crazy

  21. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Adam Warren for John Jay?

  22. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    have to stop thinking that Gardner is the 2nd coming, right now he’s a good player on a not so good team

  23. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    The Yankees should get Matt Kemp and pray he gets healthy….that’s their best shot short term is to pair him with Cano and McCann or Choo. Otherwise punt.

  24. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Chip,
    the Yanks don’t need smart baseball guys in the front office…..they have a bevy of number crunching nerds turning out prime prospects!
    ————————-

    Realistically speaking – the only way that Hart would have come aboard here would be as Team President. Being willing to advise your good friend is different than being willing to advise Cashman and Randy Levine.

  25. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    I reflect back on conversations about how ‘there would be no where to play’ certain players and laugh lol… imagine what a problem like that would feel like? Having too much talent?

    I wish.

  26. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    “Adam Warren for John Jay?”

    why would St. Louis do that?

  27. AAA November 22nd, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Adam Warren for John Jay?

    ====================

    Can’t imagine what interest the Cards would have in Warren. And John Jay is not good.

  28. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    I assume Hart will have to quit his MLBN job?

  29. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    John Jay is better than Ichiro

  30. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    of course almost anybody is better than ichiro

  31. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Blake –

    Would you consider doing a deal for John Jay and then moving GGBG who is a free agent after this year in a sort of Sheilds for Myers type of thing

  32. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Blake –

    Hart was doing his MLBN job these past few years while holding a similar title with the Rangers.

  33. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    St. Louis is better at cultivating pitchers than the Yankees are. Warren is a fairly high upside pitcher in the right environment.

  34. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    for the heck of it I would like to see them try to trade Iricho back to Sea even if it’s sending some money with him & cut Wells loose…lets get some OFers that can play

  35. AAA November 22nd, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    John Jay is better than Ichiro

    ========================

    What higher praise? (:

    I think the Cards keep Jay around to play RF til Tavares is ready to come up.

  36. Against All Odds November 22nd, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    ——————-

    Right on cue :)

    All joking aside though it would have been nice to bring him on board with the Yankees.

  37. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    2014 Yankees – doom and gloom prediction:

    CF – Gardner
    DH – Jeter
    1b – Tex
    LF – Soriano
    3b – Reynolds
    C – Cervelli
    3b – Nunez
    RF – Ichiro
    SS – Ryan

  38. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    “Would you consider doing a deal for John Jay and then moving GGBG who is a free agent after this year in a sort of Sheilds for Myers type of thing”

    2 problems. 10 the yanks don’t really have anything they can part with for Jay that the Cards would want. 2) Gardner isn’t going to bring anything close to Wil Myers type value in a trade.

    I mean if you actually could do like a David Phelps for Jay deal and then move Gardner for something good then maybe……but I don’t think either of those things are realisitic. Gardner just doesn’t have much trade value at this point I don’t think……he’s in his walk year now…..a year or two ago maybe….

  39. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    match up Jays stats and Gardners ( had a lot more AB’s) Jay is the better player

  40. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    “Hart was doing his MLBN job these past few years while holding a similar title with the Rangers.”

    maybe so….I wasn’t sure what role he acutally took.

  41. tbone1570 November 22nd, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    “Hal keeps talking about how 189 is a goal but that the main goal is to compete for the playoffs. ”

    *************************
    The problem is, by Hal’s definition we were “contending for the playoffs” until the last week of the season. I wouldn’t surprise me if they sign no one other then Cano and proclaim “Getting all our injured players back are like signing free agents”.

  42. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    “match up Jays stats and Gardners ( had a lot more AB’s) Jay is the better player”

    Gardner is a much better defender…..I’d rather have Jay than Gardner in a vacuum because he’s younger and more controllable and has more offensive upside…..but the problem is that you have to trade for him and you’re not getting much for Gardner most likely…..

  43. Against All Odds November 22nd, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Being willing to advise your good friend is different than being willing to advise Cashman and Randy Levine.

    ——————-

    The fact that Randy Levine has such a say in baseball ops is upsetting.

    “You were a number cruncher. Just crunch the g**damn numbers.” – Nick Cage

  44. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    it will be the middle of December the well will be running dry and the NYY will have a meeting on whether or not the should sign Youkilis or Chavez to a 1 year deal

  45. jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    They can’t trade for Freese but they can for Kemp?

  46. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    “match up Jays stats and Gardners ( had a lot more AB’s) Jay is the better player”

    Gardner is a much better defender…
    ———————————————-
    not that much better……hey Gardner how many outs are there

  47. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    “They can’t trade for Freese but they can for Kemp?”

    I don’t know but it’s different…..they could have traded for Freese sure….they could have offered Nova or one of their best prospects and probably gotten him or offered Gardner or soemthing like that maybe…..but the Yankees didn’t have anything they could part with to get Freese. With Kemp the Dodgers trading him would largely be to dump his salary……so it’s not really the same thing. The Yanks could probably get Kemp if they wanted to trade him but they’d likely have to give Nova and take all his money IMO

  48. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 3:57 pm
    They can’t trade for Freese but they can for Kemp?

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    and who are the y going to trade for Kemp

  49. jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Freese is not as good as Gardner (unless Freese bounces back, which is very possible), but would you rather have

    Gardner cf ~4 million for 1 more year
    Peralta 3B ~10-13 million for 3-4 years

    or

    Freese 3B ~4 million (2014), 2 more years
    Granderson CF/COF ~13-15 million for 3-4 years

  50. AAA November 22nd, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    match up Jays stats and Gardners ( had a lot more AB’s) Jay is the better player

    ======================

    No he’s not. Defensively, Gardner is light years ahead of Jay, and offensively it’s pretty close.

  51. jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    I’m not too keen on paying Peralta for 3-4 more years at 10+

  52. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    “I’m not too keen on paying Peralta for 3-4 more years at 10+”

    me neither…..then again I’m not too keen on watching balls ricochet of Nunie’s shins all next season either.

  53. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    I’m not too keen on paying Peralta for 3-4 more years at 10+

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    I’m not keen on having another PED user on the team..they have had enough of them

  54. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    should I say known PED user

  55. tomingeorgia November 22nd, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Screw PEDs. I’d take them if I could get them. Lord knows I could use them. Peralta, at a price, is a very good solution to a few of the Yankees’ woes.

  56. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    more than likely they are going to have a WHOLE new OF next year..which is something I’m looking forward to and I know I’m not alone

  57. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    like to see them start turning that over this year

  58. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    tomingeorgia November 22nd, 2013 at 4:14 pm
    Screw PEDs. I’d take them if I could get them. Lord knows I could use them. Peralta, at a price, is a very good solution to a few of the Yankees’ woes.

    ————————————-
    LOL…..only PEDs I take is Viagra

  59. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    JIM BOWDEN ?@JimBowdenESPNxm 8m
    Frank Wren “We’ve explored all possibilites for top of the rotation pitching” without naming Price and Scherzer per tampering rules XM 89

    Braves should look at Hughes…..pretty fair park and much easier division to pitch in. He’d be a good back end guy with experience for them.

  60. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    still say Hughes ends up in SD if he’s not asking for to much

  61. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Now watch the Yankees get sub OBA Mark Trumbo for a needed BP arm from the Yankees.

  62. tomingeorgia November 22nd, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    joe,
    You have a point, at least. Cold weather bothering the knees?

  63. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Blake

    Hughes would probably be the oldest pitcher on the Braves. I believe they are looking at a more veteran guy. They’ll be more than happy to give the Yankees Uggla, if Cano signs elsewhere, and would throw in contract albatross BJ Upton, if his brother wouldn’t pitch a fit.

  64. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Trumbo splits:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....ark-trumbo

  65. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    tomingeorgia November 22nd, 2013 at 4:27 pm
    joe,
    You have a point, at least. Cold weather bothering the knees?

    ——————————-
    not yet but this weekend should be the test a lot of outdoor stuff going on and it’s suppose to get cold tomorrow night and Sunday

  66. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    I hate Trumbo. He’s a 1 trick pony and while that trick is useful it’s not one that I would part with a useful player to get.

  67. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Chip says:
    November 22, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    I hate Trumbo. He’s a 1 trick pony and while that trick is useful it’s not one that I would part with a useful player to get.

    Hate is such a strong word

  68. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    @conorglassey: Speaking of Calvin Johnson playing baseball…I hadn’t seen this, but it’s awesome! https://t.co/yf1u1vo0Oi

    Sign him!

  69. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Blake –

    In this case I think it’s spot on. He doesn’t get on base, doesn’t play a lick of defense, he hits home runs, that’s it – he’s a right handed Adam Dunn without the ability to take a walk.

    Frankly, I would rather have the real Adam Dunn than Mark Trumbo.

  70. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Does anyone on this board doubt that the Yankees will sign either Roy Halladay or Johan Santana this winter?

  71. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Tom,

    You’re making me laugh.

  72. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Is trade Nunez for Trumbo

  73. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Chip says:
    November 22, 2013 at 4:46 pm
    Does anyone on this board doubt that the Yankees will sign either Roy Halladay or Johan Santana this winter?

    I think Santana is too young

  74. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Blake –

    So would I but then again I think Nunez is so completely and totally overrated it’s not even funny.

    The guy showed a quick bat every so often and can run…he also has hands of stone and an inability to stay on the field…Mazal Tov – he’s Homer Bush.

  75. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Chip says:
    November 22, 2013 at 4:46 pm
    Does anyone on this board doubt that the Yankees will sign either Roy Halladay or Johan Santana this winter?

    I think Santana is too young
    ——————–

    Yeah but the age is offset by the injury thing – see Youkilis and Hafner.

  76. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Chip

    Had to laugh at your reaction to the Braves bringing in John Hart.

    Now that the ARod saga will be tied up well into January, or later, the Yankees will take off the table the potential 33.5M and go after short term contracts with FA players not offered the QO.

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Granderson back, signing versatile Infante, who as a Brave played every infield position, except first, and played the corner OF spots, stick with Cervelli and Romine, and call it a day, while waiting for Cano and his agents to pick a team.

    Not a recipe for an improved offense next year.

  77. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    I don’t sense a lot of optimism here

  78. Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    “I don’t sense a lot of optimism here”

    That’s because for some reason the optimist cohort has been absent today.

  79. jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    I’m hoping Banuelos becomes Johan Santana.

  80. jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    I was guardedly optimistic until I heard about the Yankees not wanting to spend the Arod money even if he gets a large suspension because they don’t know what could happen with the appeal.

    They better not CBS this team.

  81. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    I’m not worried….Hal assured us that winning would come before 189 (lololol)

  82. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Chip and Blake

    Yankees could use a lefty-Jamie Moyer come on down!

  83. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    White Sox get: Eduardo Nunez, Ichiro and two low ceiling guys
    Yankees get: Keppinger and Dunn

  84. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Chip-
    And the WS are now bringing Granderson in.

  85. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Chip-
    And the WS are now bringing Granderson in.
    ——————

    He makes a ton of sense for them. And if they don’t trade Dunn then the city of Chicago should hook up some power converters around US Cellular and try to capture all the wind that Dunn, Granderson and Viciedo generate by swinging and missing and use that to power the city.

  86. Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    heading out…let us just remember, it’s November and there’s still a lot of great moves the Yankees might….oh who am I kidding.

    John $Y#$&() HART!

  87. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Viciedo only struck out 98 times. Bring in Mark Reynolds, install a wind turbine and voila you’ll generate enough power to light up the field.

  88. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    I’m not worried….Hal assured us that winning would come before 189 (lololol)

    —————-

    I’m glad we’ve reached the point of self mockery.

    It’s safer here.

  89. jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Reynolds 3B
    Dunn DH
    Granderson RF
    Soriano LF

    That’s at least 600 k’s right there, maybe 700.

  90. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Why keep Gardner when he’s about to get a huge paycheck?

    I’d much rather be proactive and grab John Jay.

    The talent is similar but the contract status changes everything.

    Of course it depends on the demands for Jay and the trade market for Gardner.

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock November 22nd, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    I wouldn’t mind Peralta because he can hit.

    But he is not a good short stop.

    The idea that he brings stability to that position as a defender is a bit of a stretch.

  92. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    “Of course it depends on the demands for Jay and the trade market for Gardner.”

    Well yea and the yanks have nothing to trade for Jay and they wouldn’t get much for Gardner

  93. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 5:13 pm
    Reynolds 3B
    Dunn DH
    Granderson RF
    Soriano LF

    That’s at least 600 k’s right there, maybe 700
    —————————-
    just add Utley to that group…

  94. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Utley or Uggla

  95. Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Peralta’s really only good because he has a nice bat and can play either 3B or SS… and they also used him in the OF. That kind of flexibility is really nice to have…. but if he’s really looking for a 4 year deal, I dunno. That’s kinda tough.

    Then again.. it would carry us through the Arod deal. Give us time to figure things out on that side.

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock November 22nd, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    The worst would be if the Yankees, (having nothing to trade (that they can part with) on the ML roster that will bring anyone of note back, and having no blue chips in AAA to help the present cause or to use as trade bait), do something daft, like either trade away Sanchez, or some other higher end, further-away talents for a mediocre “now” solutions.

    That’s the problem with undermining your own farm system while letting your team get old.

    You get stuck giving up high ceiling maybes for present are nots.

    This is why I did not really want the bottom to fall out: because desperate people don’t get smart just because they’ve become desperate.

    The idea that the Yankees would be scared smart by failure to make the postseason, with the same people calling the shots, just makes no sense at all to me.

  97. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Pedro Alvarez for third. Chris Carter in RF, Granderson in center, Adam Dunn at DH, Mark Reynolds at first. Soriano in left. Well over 1000 strikeouts!

  98. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Shame
    Infante played third with the Braves as well as SS and both corner OF positions.

  99. DaSaint007 November 22nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    The ARod saga is having it’s effects on the pace of the market. That said, if I were the Yankees, I’d strike while I could, for what I can. And shake things up a bit.

    Sign McCann – 5 yrs/$100M – be set with a veteran, lefty power-hitting catcher.
    Sign Granderson – 4 yrs/$70M – RF, lefty power, can play CF & LF when necessary.
    Sign Kuroda – 2yrs/$30M – an overpay, sure, but you know what you’re getting. A dependable #2/#3 pitcher.
    Sign Kazmir – 2 yrs/$20M – lefty, strikeout pitcher. Can be the #3 or #4.
    Sign Logan – 3 yrs/$12M – lefty, reliable. Why take chances?

    Trade some MiL arms and young OF bats to Oakland for Lowrie, a versatile, affordable infielder that can play 3B, SS, and 2B. Peralta is seeking too many years, unless you want to wait him out. Obtaining Lawrie will scare Cano.

    Dangle Gardner, Nunez, Wells, Ichiro, JR Murphy, Romine, Green, Mitchell, and Whitley…

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock November 22nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Shame Spencer November 22nd, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Peralta’s really only good because he has a nice bat and can play either 3B or SS…
    ////

    Yes, I know.

    My point is, don’t expect him to play those positions particularly well.

    He’s hardly the safe harbor from Nunez’s wild ways.

  101. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    This is why I did not really want the bottom to fall out: because desperate people don’t get smart just because they’ve become desperate.
    —————-

    Since their rivals in the AL East haven’t made any moves yet, and since the Yankees don’t or can’t relate to the concept of being proactive, they are in their waiting mode, knowing there always will be dumpster diving.

  102. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    I wouldn’t count on the Yankees signing McCann and giving up the sandwich pick. I think now that their one Offensive addition will be trying to bring back Granderson.

  103. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    calltothepen.com/

  104. joeman November 22nd, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Uggla

  105. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Jhonny Peralta’s asking price has been said to be significant, but to this point, reports have only indicated that he’s seeking “much more than $45MM.” Joel Sherman of the New York Post sheds some light on his demands, reporting that he’s seeking something in the four-year $56MM to five-year, $75MM range (Twitter link)

  106. Yankee Trader November 22nd, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Have to go.

    Everyone have a great weekend.

  107. yankinvegas November 22nd, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    You have to be either all in or all out. Completely rebuild, with the exception of bringing back Cano and signing Tanaka, or just let the 189 happen naturally, in 2017 or 18.
    That would still give us time to sign Harper and/or Trout after 2018.
    The problem there is that there will be a new CBA in effect beginning with the 2017 season, and who knows how much MLB will screw the Yankees in the new deal.
    The thing that I think really threw a monkey wrench into their 189 plan for 2014 was Boston winning the WS. It left the NYY fan base with an incredibly sour taste in our mouths and I would like to believe that it surprised and pissed off NYY ownership and management as well. The Yankees have to presume that Boston winning was a total fluke – which I think it was – and do whatever they are going to do. No matter what they do, the media is going to rip them.
    MLB, under Selig has always hated the Yankees, gone to great lengths to disparage the Yankees success as due strictly to the payroll and instituted rule upon rule designed only to neuter the NY Yankees. That is why I find it really amusing that Alex and his lawyers are intimating collusion between MLB and NYY.

  108. yankinvegas November 22nd, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    One more thing, keep Randy Levine out of all baseball decisions!

  109. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Good evening all.

    The way I understand it, the main reasons for getting under 189 are: 1. Avoid paying LT in ’14, and 2. Reset the LT rate to 17% for ’15 and ’16 so they can spend more freely.

    As I see it, the problem with that is the free agent class of ’15 is much less attractive than the class of ’14:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html

    Sure, there are exceptions (ie H. Ramirez) but overall not a ton of attractive targets

    Why not spend now to plug some holes (judiciously, if possible)… so what if the payroll ends up at 215 -220? Thats a LT of 13 – 15.5 mil. That’s nothing to the Yankees. I readily admit I’m clueless about financial matters but it seems that a successful team would more than offset the penalties.

    What am I missing?

  110. DaSaint007 November 22nd, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Peralta must be using more than PED’s. He’s out of his mind.

  111. austinmac November 22nd, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Chicken,

    You speak wisdom my friend. The savings of some money will cost far more in income.

  112. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Peralta is chewing peyote. He lives in a parallel Universe.

  113. UpState November 22nd, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 4:56 pm
    White Sox get: Eduardo Nunez, Ichiro and two low ceiling guys
    Yankees get: Keppinger and Dunn
    ——————————————————-

    How abut if we make this trade and accept nothing in return ?

    (ahhhhh, heck – we’ll take the two low-ceiling guys back in the trade)

  114. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Wait for Hanley Ramirez.

    F Peralta.

  115. Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    If Peralta is seeking up to 75 M, Eduardo Nunez must have more trade value than we think. He MUST.

  116. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Brett – I’m with you. With what he brings to the table, I think Peralta is probably worth no more than 10-12/per

  117. UpState November 22nd, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Jon Jay:

    Sheeeesh.

    Not bad in regular season (which we really dont see on a consistent basis), but….

    The Post-Season :

    He is the epitome of a ‘little pansy, deer-in-the-headlights, bewildered, useless’ player.

    Almost everything he did in the post-season was ‘wrong’ or ‘wimpy’.

    (little girly-girl wuus)

    …..no thank you – no Jon Jay.

  118. sammiejohnson November 22nd, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Chicken

    The way I understand it, there are three parts that make the $189 plan attractive to the Yankees.

    1.) The reduction in payroll itself, that saves over $40M a year.
    2.) The reduction of their LT bill from 50% to 17%.
    3.) there is a clause in the present CBA which greatly reduces a large market team’s revenue sharing bill. But it only applies to teams that are under the LT.

    Whether these savings ever equal the amount of revenue they will lose by fielding a non contending team, I have no way of knowing.

    Here is a link to Sherman’s original article from 2011 that explains it far better than I can.

    http://nypost.com/2011/12/04/y.....penalties/

  119. UpState November 22nd, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2013 at 7:03 pm
    Wait for Hanley Ramirez.
    ==========================

    Absolutely.
    …or try and pry Corey Seager from LA now…he’ll be the LA SS if we dont get him.

  120. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Bret The Hitman says:
    November 22, 2013 at 7:05 pm
    If Peralta is seeking up to 75 M, Eduardo Nunez must have more trade value than we think. He MUST.

    Nah….Peralta is actually a decent big leaguer that can actually play SS…..he isn’t getting 75 million but he will get a 3 or 4 year deal for good money. Nunie is like a Ford escort with shiny aftermarket rims and a cool stereo. He’s got some good parts and sometimes they are shiny but in the end he’s still a Ford escort…..one that backfires in fear at the sight of a ground ball.

  121. Jerkface November 22nd, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    3.) there is a clause in the present CBA which greatly reduces a large market team’s revenue sharing bill. But it only applies to teams that are under the LT.

    The top X market size teams (I think its 10 or 15) are being disqualified from receiving revenue sharing. So whatever revenue sharing they are receiving is being refunded to teams. If you’re under the luxury tax you can get the rebates.

    The exception is the Athletics who will continue to receive it unless they get a new stadium.

    It amounts to around 30 million over 3 years.

  122. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    I can think of a car analogy for most players

  123. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Sabathia: Chevy suburban. Big but yet very practical and barely fits in the garage.

  124. sammiejohnson November 22nd, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    “I can think of a car analogy for most players”

    Stewie is a Hugo.

  125. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    “Stewie is a Hugo.”

    I was thinking Geo Metro but yea….

  126. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Sammie – thanks for the link… I had no idea they would receive a break in revenue sharing.

    Even so, I like the idea of spending within reason (primarily because its not my money :) ). I can understand the sentiment of blowing the team up and completely rebuilding but I have 2 main problems with that : 1. Rebuilding exclusively from within does not automatically equate to success. How many 5 year rebuilding plans have turned into 7 yr, 9yr, or never-ending plans? A core 4 isn’t on the horizon And, 2. How many think the Yanks have a front office up to the task of completely rebuilding?

  127. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Tex is like an old 5 speed F -150…..used to be a workhorse but now can’t seem to “beat the shift” in gears

  128. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    You guys must be really, really bored.

    :)

  129. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    How Hughes and Chamberlain as “Edsels” ?

    Seemed like a great idea at 1st but never really took off and just wouldn’t work right.

    ;)

  130. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Come on MTU join in…..btw I have judged that there is no better way to cook a turkey than deep frying that sucker…..the smoked was good but not as good as fried so I’m gonna fry a whole one and smoke a breast to make gravy this year

  131. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    ed: How about.

    You have to excuse me it’s been a tough day.

  132. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Blake-

    I like fried turkey.

    :)

  133. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    How about Ichiro as a BMW 325i … Vintage 1997 with high mileage but an excellent paint job. Once an ultimate driving machine (never had the power of of a Vette or Viper but able to handle any road you threw at it). The shiny exterior fools you into thinking you can still take the twisties like you’re on rails but the motor, transmission, and suspension is just no longer up to it

  134. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Hi MTU – good to see you

  135. luis November 22nd, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    Good evening guys,

    Chicken,

    You hit it in the nail… Yes this FO is not equipped for a transition… Ergo, they need to be replaced… They simply can’t do the rebuilding.

    And to go the FA route, we need a core in place that we don’t have… It is easier to replace the FO with someone with a track record than leaving this guys with a clear poor record in player development.

  136. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    “•The Diamondbacks announced that Dave Duncan will serve as a special assistant to GM Kevin Towers and a Major League pitching consultant. The 68-year-old is best known for his recent work as the Cardinals pitching coach from 1996-2011. He will assist the big league coaching staff’s work with pitchers and catchers during Spring Training, evaluate the team’s farm system and assist in evaluating draft prospects.”

    Wish that could have been with us. We could use the help.

    :(

  137. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Chicken,
    Nice.

    Mike trout is like Eleanor from Gone in 60
    Seconds…..a throw back….Classic American muscle

  138. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Mo was a Rolls Royce….

  139. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Hi Luis.

    I’m not opposed to a complete rebuild… it just seems as though we aren’t in a position (right now) to begin a meaningful one. You, YF, and others have a much better feel for what we have on the farm than I do, though.

  140. luis November 22nd, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Cashman is clearly a FIAT…. Fix It Again Tony!!

  141. luis November 22nd, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Mo was a Mclaren F1

  142. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Nix as a 1975 Dodge Dart. The straight six engine provided little power and worked too hard to be efficient on gas. It could, however, get you to the grocery store in a pinch

  143. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Blake – perfect car for Trout!

  144. MTU November 22nd, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    I am a Bugatti Veyron.

    At least in my dreams.

    :)

  145. Bx is Burning November 22nd, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Hey lawyers/MLB rules experts –
    if Horowitz upholds A-Rod’s suspension, and Alex’s team challenges the ruling in court (which will certainly happen), will MLB give the Yanks the benefit of the salary deduction for 2014 while the lawsuit is pending?

  146. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Jeter is a Benz ….smooth, classy

  147. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    I am a Bugatti Veyron.

    ——————

    I was in SoCal this summer and took a bullet tour of the area (Hollywood, Beverly Hills, etc.). On Rodeo Drove, I saw 2 (two!!) Veyrons. Boggled my mind that I saw 2 million dollar + cars within a half a mile. Made me drool like homer Simpson seeing a doughnut!!

  148. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    @pgammo: That’s three GMs today that claim when they checked in Peralta he had $13MX4 in hand

    That’s what 4/52. That’s steep but probably reasonable for this market

  149. UpState November 22nd, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Fast Food Turkey :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1009ux1xbkg

  150. tomingeorgia November 22nd, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    ARod is an XKE. Additives help, but you’ll always need a mechanic close by.

  151. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Wells as a Pontiac Aztek (link to picture below). Designed to do many things well (day to day transport, SUV, and even camper). Ultimately, it did nothing really well and looked ugly doing so.

    http://www.bing.com/images/sea.....tedIndex=3

  152. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Either the Aztek post bombed or no one is around because they have more of a life than I do… Maybe both :)

  153. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Chicken, I’m here! Count yourself as, lucky :D

  154. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    I have a beautiful vintage 1991 Prelude ( in gold ).

  155. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Hi jmills. Hope all is going well.

  156. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    And I’ll tell ya’, if I had 70 to 80 grand to burn, a Porsche it would be as well.

  157. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Not bad, thanks. Certain things suck, but, what the hell :)

  158. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    I thought the Aztec was a fairly functional vehicle, no?

  159. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Aztec beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

  160. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Aztec beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    ———
    not many beholders thought it was beautiful :D

  161. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Chicken, I have never looked up the stats, but on gut, there is nothing wrong with the Aztec as a chosen one.

  162. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Listen, even Ferrari has their downer moments; Gilles Villeneuve didn’t call his ’81 F1 entry the Big Red Cadillac for nothing!

  163. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    rtsp://v6.cache1.c.youtube.com/CjgLENy73wIaLwkdbGU1tewjGRMYJCAkFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSB3JlbGF0ZWRgvZiv2_CJuNJQDA==/0/0/0/video.3gp

    ….in case you missed it….

  164. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Couldn’t open your link.

    Gilles’ 81 F1 entry didn’t make Time’s list of 50 worst autos :)

    http://content.time.com/time/s.....40,00.html

  165. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    rtsp://v7.cache7.c.youtube.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQlQJxn7cEO42hMYJCAkFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYOWmtbK2zNzaUAw=/0/0/0/video.3gp

    Open this one, please!

  166. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    jmills – gonna call it a night. Talk to you later

  167. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    sorry jmills couldn’t open that one either. :(

  168. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    The Aztec was like the first SUV, I don’t know what the masses are biotching aboot.

    Stupid

  169. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Nite, chicken, I’ll show you gilles villeneuve another day :D

  170. tbone1570 November 22nd, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    The Aztec was like the first SUV, I don’t know what the masses are biotching aboot.

    ********************************
    mills,
    the aztek was introduced in 2001, SUV’s were around long before that.

  171. chicken_stanley November 22nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    jmills – gonna hit the sack (for real this time)… I’ve gotta be bright eyed and bushy tailed (sorry, hillbilly reference there) for tomorrow’s Yankee talk :)

  172. jmills November 22nd, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Sorry, I thought the Aztec was the first one, my bad then.

  173. jacksquat November 22nd, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Chip November 22nd, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    2014 Yankees – doom and gloom prediction:

    CF – Gardner
    DH – Jeter
    1b – Tex
    LF – Soriano
    3b – Reynolds
    C – Cervelli
    3b – Nunez
    RF – Ichiro
    SS – Ryan

    Between Reynolds and Nunez you might have 3B covered, but Tex is going to be busier than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

  174. Pat M. November 22nd, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    blake……bagging on The Tex . Maybe he’ll be smoking Tex’s arse for his Memorial Day Barb

  175. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    Pat M. says:
    November 22, 2013 at 10:11 pm
    blake……bagging on The Tex . Maybe he’ll be smoking Tex’s arse for his Memorial Day Barb

    Tex would need to be smoked low and slow to signify his low batting average and slow bat speed ;)

  176. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    I get on Tex more than I should though admittedly …..I just want him to be better

  177. tomingeorgia November 22nd, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    blake,
    Get off teix’s ass. He will be better. There, the first positive remark all day.

  178. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    @HardballTalk: The Red Sox checked in with the Dodgers about Matt Kemp http://t.co/Jlf8tkKXlz

    Of course

  179. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    November 22, 2013 at 10:33 pm
    blake,
    Get off teix’s ass. He will be better. There, the first positive remark all day.

    Think positive!

  180. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    @KenDavidoff: Kudos to A-Rod for betting on himself. But I wouldn’t bet on him. #Yankees #MLB http://t.co/ZddL6jD5I5

  181. tomingeorgia November 22nd, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    blake,
    Starting my pastrami trial on Sunday.

  182. blake November 22nd, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Tom,
    Hey should be ready by Christmas!

  183. tomingeorgia November 22nd, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Seems like “the staff of the Journal News” is on vacation, too.

  184. pkyankfan69 November 22nd, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    blake November 22nd, 2013 at 10:50 pm
    @HardballTalk: The Red Sox checked in with the Dodgers about Matt Kemp http://t.co/Jlf8tkKXlz

    Of course
    ————–
    Hate to see the Sux potentially on Kemp… Yeah there is risk but Kemp/Ortiz could also be deadly

  185. yankinvegas November 23rd, 2013 at 12:15 am

    The Dodgers will probably trade Kemp to Boston for Mike Carp and Jonny Gomes + throw in 100 million to pay his salary.
    And Selig will approve it.

  186. jacksquat November 23rd, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Make Tex play 3B, problem solved. If Cabrera can do it, Tex can do it.

  187. Pat M. November 23rd, 2013 at 2:16 am

    blake….Texeria will hit 30-35 longballs with100 + rbi’s with a Gold Glove performance. I fully expect a healthy and reborn Mark Texeria come 2014. I’m also hopeful that he’ll go back to taking the outside to left

  188. Jerkface November 23rd, 2013 at 2:45 am

    What could possibly make anyone think Tex is going to rebound in such a way?

  189. jacksquat November 23rd, 2013 at 2:47 am

    He can’t hit to LF with his current lefthanded swing, that’s the problem.

  190. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:25 am

    Pat M. says:
    November 23, 2013 at 2:16 am
    blake….Texeria will hit 30-35 longballs with100 + rbi’s with a Gold Glove performance. I fully expect a healthy and reborn Mark Texeria come 2014. I’m also hopeful that he’ll go back to taking the outside to left

    He cannot physically go the other way with his LH swing

  191. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:33 am

    I think Tex might hit 30 homers if he can stay healthy (which has become a big if) but it’ll likely be with a low BA and lower than would like OBP) ….he was on a steady decline before the significant wrist injury

  192. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Blake …Pat M and myself are on the same page with Tex…when he plays he produces and I see him doing that this year..he’s the least of their worries right now

  193. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 7:37 am

    I’m still riding the Say-No-To-Cano train. RAB wrote a pretty good piece saying to resign him, but I would not bet that his LHP split will turn around.

    The reality is this team will not win the World Series in 2014. There are just too many holes to fill. Say goodbye to Cano and start from the ground up, I say.

  194. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:38 am

    joeman says:
    November 23, 2013 at 7:37 am
    Blake …Pat M and myself are on the same page with Tex…when he plays he produces and I see him doing that this year..he’s the least of their worries right now

    He’s useful when he’s healthy….but the problem is that you could get his production at 1B a lot cheaper ….he’s a very inefficient player

  195. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 7:38 am

    I’m a huge Tex fan having met him in Greenwich at his house he’s a very nice kid

  196. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 7:41 am

    “He’s useful when he’s healthy….but the problem is that you could get his production at 1B a lot cheaper ….he’s a very inefficient player”

    Yeah, you don’t want to be paying $20m+ for an .800 OPS, but it is feasible he can get that back up to mid .800s. I think we’d all take that.

  197. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 7:41 am

    blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:38 am
    joeman says:
    November 23, 2013 at 7:37 am
    Blake …Pat M and myself are on the same page with Tex…when he plays he produces and I see him doing that this year..he’s the least of their worries right now

    He’s useful when he’s healthy….but the problem is that you could get his production at 1B a lot cheaper ….he’s a very inefficient player

    ——————————————–
    I have no problem with the way he plays

  198. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:41 am

    I’m still riding the Say-No-To-Cano train. RAB wrote a pretty good piece saying to resign him, but I would not bet that his LHP split will turn around.”

    He hit .291 with a .788 OPS vs LHP in 2013. That’s more than holding his own against them…..it’s not what he used to be but it’s certainly a rebound from 2012 and suggests that while it’s something to monitor….it’s probably not as bad as we thought for awhile. 2012 looks like a blip on the whole right now….. If he can do what he did vs lefties in 2013 and continue to destroy RHP then he will be fine

  199. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:44 am

    “Yeah, you don’t want to be paying $20m+ for an .800 OPS, but it is feasible he can get that back up to mid .800s. I think we’d all take that.”

    Oh yea and man would that help but I don’t know how realistic an .850 OPS is for him…..he hasn’t done that since 2009. Id be happy with just an .800 OPS….30 homers….and good defense

  200. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 7:44 am

    Blake,

    I would also not bet that Cano becomes a better player from here on out. I’m not paying him the most money in baseball to have platoon splits. I like the guy, and think he gets some undue hate, but I just wouldn’t recommit to him.

  201. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:45 am

    joeman says:
    November 23, 2013 at 7:38 am
    I’m a huge Tex fan having met him in Greenwich at his house he’s a very nice kid

    So you’re biased ;) I’m sure he is a nice guy…..he seems like one….doesn’t change the fact that they need more from him for what he’s making

  202. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 7:47 am

    Tex was also a better hitter than Cano when he signed, and younger. Alex was older, but a far superior hitter. These mega contracts are just too much risk.

    Kiss him goodbye and get on the extension plan like the rest of baseball.

  203. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 7:48 am

    I want no part of a 7-8/200+ contract for Cano that with the money they are working with now and maybe the future, the contract would hurt this team for years….you’ll get 3-4 Cano years and after that it will be a bad contract, go get 2 solid players with his money

  204. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:50 am

    “I would also not bet that Cano becomes a better player from here on out. I’m not paying him the most money in baseball to have platoon splits. I like the guy, and think he gets some undue hate, but I just wouldn’t recommit to him.”

    I think it’s possible he’s played his best baseball already yes….but it’s also possible he is this current player another 3 or so years and then a pretty good one for 3 or 4 more after that. In that case he’d be worth 8 years.

    As I’ve said this all depends on the owner and the plan…..if you let cano go then you might as well just rebuild because it’s very hard to see how they’ll be able to compete in 2014 without him…..there just isn’t enough to buy to fill all their holes. Rebuilding sounds great at first…..doesn’t always end up so great and it’s not as easy as it seems.

    There is a number is walk away from Robbie at…..but I’m more and more convinced they should keep him because they are the Yankees and the Yankees shouldn’t worry about this crap or lose their best players because of money…….if they sign Cano and rebuild right then by the time he’s in decline the other bad money should be gone and it won’t matter

  205. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:53 am

    “Tex was also a better hitter than Cano when he signed, and younger. Alex was older, but a far superior hitter. These mega contracts are just too much risk.”

    He was a more pruductive hitter with a much worse swing though and also played 1B.

    The yanks got themselves into this mess by not extending him and by not trading him when he wouldn’t sign one……now there really is no good outcome…..either you pay him too much to stay or you lose him for nothing and probably can’t compete for awhile

  206. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 7:54 am

    I see that argument. I just don’t think the Yankees win the World Series in 2014 with or without Cano. I dunno. I just don’t see him as a guy to build a team around.

    I see him as on the decline from here, he’s not a clubhouse leader or anything, he’s been questionable under pressure, and he’s asking for a lot of money despite not being the best player in baseball.

    Guess there isn’t much to say besides that. We’ll see where the chips land.

  207. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Tex has played 11 years in this league and Cano has played 9 years..we consider Cano a power hitter right ? Well how many 30/100 years has Cano had and how many has Tex had….no comparing the two but comparing the money the two will make

  208. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:54 am

    .”you’ll get 3-4 Cano years and after that it will be a bad contract, go get 2 solid players with his money”

    Tex and Arod will be gone in 4 years…..if Cano is great for 4 years and then merely ok for the next 4 then you’d probably consider that contract a success.

  209. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:55 am

    “Tex has played 11 years in this league and Cano has played 9 years..we consider Cano a power hitter right ? Well how many 30/100 years has Cano had and how many has Tex had….no comparing the two but comparing the money the two will make”

    Who cares?

  210. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:56 am

    I think it’s a leap to think that the Yankees will just go and buy a bunch of players with Cano’s money…..I think it’d be just as likely that it would go in Hals bank account…..I don’t trust that dude

  211. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 7:57 am

    how many more years do the NYY have ARod,Tex & CC

  212. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 7:59 am

    I’d just like to see the Yankees take that commitment and spread it around to a few players this season, next season, and hopefully get something out of the farm system for 2015. We aren’t winning the World Series in 2014 with all of these holes.

  213. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 7:59 am

    blake November 23rd, 2013 at 7:55 am
    “Tex has played 11 years in this league and Cano has played 9 years..we consider Cano a power hitter right ? Well how many 30/100 years has Cano had and how many has Tex had….no comparing the two but comparing the money the two will make”

    Who cares?

    ————————-
    I do

  214. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 8:04 am

    3 of tex, 4 Arod, 5 CC I think .

    Homers and RBIs really don’t measure everything …..And tex hasn’t gone 30/100 since 2011 anyway. All that matters is what Tex is now…..what he was 5 years ago is irrelevant.

    What folks need to realize is that Lyle Overbay nearly matched Tex’s production from 2012 in 2/3 of the games (vs RHP)…..for like 1/23rd of the price.

    You get Overbay a decent platoon partner and you basically have Tex for millions less money……that’s the problem with him…..he can still have value but he’s extremely inefficient and he hogs up a ton of money at a position where production is easy to find

  215. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:04 am

    compare the stats of Tex and Cano and add a season to Cano…Tex is just as good as a hitter

  216. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 8:07 am

    “I’d just like to see the Yankees take that commitment and spread it around to a few players this season, next season, and hopefully get something out of the farm system for 2015. We aren’t winning the World Series in 2014 with all of these holes.”

    Ok lets say instead of signing Cano they go out and sign Choo and Infante……that loses their draft pick and essentially just gets them back to where they were last year production wise……now they’d have to go sign more players to actually improve.

    I jus think the end result would be you lose the pick…..don’t get any cheaper….and still not be good enough to win .

  217. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 8:07 am

    joeman says:
    November 23, 2013 at 8:04 am
    compare the stats of Tex and Cano and add a season to Cano…Tex is just as good as a hitter

    Not in 5 years he hasn’t been

  218. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Tex pre 2009 is irrelevant …..that player doesn’t exist anymore

  219. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:09 am

    blake November 23rd, 2013 at 8:04 am
    3 of tex, 4 Arod, 5 CC I think
    ———————————————————
    giving Cano the money and years, 3 years is a long time to have 4 huge contracts like that in which you have to say only one is worth it & he’ll be closing in on 35 years old

  220. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 8:09 am

    That’s like saying Arod is still the best player in baseball because he used to be…..We aren’t talking about Tex’s career….we are talking about what he is right now

  221. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:10 am

    10..11 Tex were good & 12 would have been the same if not for injury

  222. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 8:10 am

    Hal has brainwashed the fans into caring about salaries…..that sucks

  223. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:12 am

    did Cano at 29-30 have the years Tex had..

  224. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:12 am

    If you sign Choo (or McCann) and Infante you lose the first pick, but still get a supplemental, right? Infante wasn’t QOed, was he?

    Sign Tanaka, do some small deals and call it an off season.

  225. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Blake… for me it’s not about the money it’s all about the years…..I for sure give Cano 4/120…

  226. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Do we think the Yankees have made any offers to a free agent?

    Sign Tanaka and do small deals and win 70 games.

    I say again Hal has won. He has convinced fans not spending money is good.

  227. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 8:15 am

    joeman says:
    November 23, 2013 at 8:12 am
    did Cano at 29-30 have the years Tex had..

    Why do you keep talking about what Tex was? I wish he was the player he was when they signed him too…..but he’s not .

  228. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:16 am

    blake November 23rd, 2013 at 8:09 am
    That’s like saying Arod is still the best player in baseball because he used to be…..We aren’t talking about Tex’s career….we are talking about what he is right now

    ——————————————
    not his fault he had injuries ..a healthy Tex is a player, look at the 9-10-11 years and he was on his way to the same type of year in 12

  229. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Blake,

    You beat me to the brainwash concept. The fans won’t be brainwashed anymore by June when 15,000 fans are booing at the stadium.

  230. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 8:17 am

    “Sign Tanaka, do some small deals and call it an off season.”

    Thats fine but you’re basically rebuilding if they do that…..and there is no telling how long that’ll take

  231. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:17 am

    besides Tex is one of the best defensive players in the ML

  232. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:18 am

    RadioKev … Tanaka isn’t coming here

  233. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:18 am

    austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:14 am
    Do we think the Yankees have made any offers to a free agent?

    Sign Tanaka and do small deals and win 70 games.

    I say again Hal has won. He has convinced fans not spending money is good.
    ————-

    I think the Giants, Cardinals, Giants again, and The Red Sox, have shown that winning the World Series takes a well rounded roster. I think signing guys like Tex and A-Rod, and maybe CC, have shown the dangers of making huge financial commitments.

    The rest of baseball has convinced me that not spending money inefficiently is good.

  234. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Tanaka has the Cubs written all over him

  235. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:20 am

    “Thats fine but you’re basically rebuilding if they do that…..and there is no telling how long that’ll take”

    We’re rebuilding no matter what. And we’re not winning in 2014. I say pay for reasonable upgrades until we get there.

  236. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 8:23 am

    “I think the Giants, Cardinals, Giants again, and The Red Sox, have shown that winning the World Series takes a well rounded roster”

    Not apples to apples ….you need young players and the yanks aren’t ready

  237. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:23 am

    NYY front office told Mickey Mantle no one is worth $100,000

  238. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:24 am

    All those teams have good young players. We have none and none on the way for an undetermined period. Go cheap and win 70 games.

    I have been forecasting the team’s demise for a couple of years. It is obvious. They can spend their way out or be stuck in the basement. 1965 has returned and the ensuing years are right behind.

    At this point, the Yankees roster is among the very worst in baseball.

  239. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Cards & RS have young players on the team that has helped them to get where they are…NYY just don’t have that right now.
    my question is where did they get these good young players because they didn’t have high draft picks

  240. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:28 am

    blake November 23rd, 2013 at 8:23 am
    “I think the Giants, Cardinals, Giants again, and The Red Sox, have shown that winning the World Series takes a well rounded roster”

    Not apples to apples ….you need young players and the yanks aren’t ready
    ——————

    Yeah, but that’s not an argument to say sign Cano? Yanks aren’t ready either way. But we have a lot of holes. So plug as many holes as you can with quality players.

  241. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:29 am

    austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:24 am
    All those teams have good young players. We have none and none on the way for an undetermined period. Go cheap and win 70 games.

    I have been forecasting the team’s demise for a couple of years. It is obvious. They can spend their way out or be stuck in the basement. 1965 has returned and the ensuing years are right behind.

    At this point, the Yankees roster is among the very worst in baseball.
    ————–

    Yankees spent their way out in 2008… and here we are. With players with many years left on those contracts. Now we just give them away?

  242. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:29 am

    C..?
    1b..Tex
    2nd..?
    SS..not a sure thing
    3rd..?
    LF..Soriano
    CF..Gardner
    RF..Wells/Iricho
    DH..?

    SPing that has a lot of question marks ….RPing that lost MO

    Not a pretty picture

  243. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Joeman,

    Could it be the other teams had scouts and front office people who know what they are doing?

  244. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:31 am

    austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:30 am
    Joeman,

    Could it be the other teams had scouts and front office people who know what they are doing?

    ————————————————–
    for sure

  245. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:33 am

    austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:30 am
    Joeman,

    Could it be the other teams had scouts and front office people who know what they are doing?

    ———————————————————
    always a lot of talk here that they didn’t draft well because where they were draft from..well the Cards & RS proved that wrong

  246. pat November 23rd, 2013 at 8:34 am

    Didn’t read anything from yesterday here yet so apologies if this is old news…..

    Buster_ESPN
    There are rumors that Robinson Cano met with the Tigers Friday, writes Tony Paul. http://www.detroitnews.com/art.....dyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|p …

  247. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:34 am

    always a lot of talk here that they didn’t draft well because where they were draft from..well the Cards & RS proved that wrong
    ———-

    Why the Red Sox? Because they have the fabled Jackie Bradley Jr.?

  248. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:34 am

    the Cards & Red Sox are loaded with nice young players & at all positions

  249. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Kevin,

    The Yankees won in 2009. I would like that again. The problem since then is not spending on young, available international players or any free agents below 35.

    Under your method, we have Tanaka and old guys. No youngish, good players fit under your description of economical. The team will be horrendous for years ahead if they go old. They can’t go young because they have no replacements.

    Hal has convinced the fans his inept spending with an eye toward 2014 is not why they are where they are. Actually, that is the precise reason.

  250. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:35 am

    joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:34 am
    the Cards & Red Sox are loaded with nice young players & at all positions
    ————-

    Who are the Red Sox great young players?

  251. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:36 am

    RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:34 am
    always a lot of talk here that they didn’t draft well because where they were draft from..well the Cards & RS proved that wrong
    ———-

    Why the Red Sox? Because they have the fabled Jackie Bradley Jr.?

    ————————————————–
    LOL….I’ll name them if you want or you can just go look

  252. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:37 am

    RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:35 am
    joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:34 am
    the Cards & Red Sox are loaded with nice young players & at all positions
    ————-

    Who are the Red Sox great young players?

    —————————————-
    where did I ever use the word great

  253. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:37 am

    austinmac,

    You didn’t address what to do with these aging megacontracts. Just keep adding them? And that doesn’t catch up to us?

    Look at the Phillies. Mismanagement abound. That’s what the Yankees could become.

  254. pat November 23rd, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Now a free agent, no longer sporting the pinstripes….

    ShiversNL
    Rendez-vous à Paris: @cgrand14, @CDickerson_PFTP, @rickvandenhurk, @BernadinaDaily, @SirKalianSams. #EBLT2013 #MLB pic.twitter.com/AZDaVtGNj4

  255. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:38 am

    I would like Boegarts. Instead we have the 26 year old Adams as our “young” player.

    Look at the Yankee team. It is the worst in 20 + years by far, but fans want to sit tight and rebuild? Rebuild with what? The prospects in low A ball. Wait, we had no top ranked prospects there either.

  256. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:39 am

    joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 8:36 am
    RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:34 am
    always a lot of talk here that they didn’t draft well because where they were draft from..well the Cards & RS proved that wrong
    ———-

    Why the Red Sox? Because they have the fabled Jackie Bradley Jr.?

    ————————————————–
    LOL….I’ll name them if you want or you can just go look
    ————

    I would love you to name the Red Sox “nice” young players. I live just outside of Boston. Who are they?

  257. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 8:39 am

    I see him as on the decline from here, he’s not a clubhouse leader or anything, he’s been questionable under pressure , and he’s asking for a lot of money despite not being the best player in baseball.
    //////

    Robinson Cano 2012 “Clutch” Statistics:

    RISP 172 PA .357 .448 .579 1.026

    Men On 302 PA .366 .434 .569 1.002

    2 outs, RISP 65 PA .412 .538 .667 1.205

    Late & Close 102 PA .313 .441 .554 .995

    High Lvrge 135 PA .353 .422 .629 1.052

  258. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 8:40 am

    Sorry, that’s 2013 clutch stats for Cano, as in, his most recent season

  259. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:43 am

    JAP,

    Where are the stats from? Curious.

    He’s had many years were that was not the case, couldn’t hit a homerun when his dad was soft tossing him strikes because fans were booing at him, and made a little history in the post season. I’d say he’s no Carlos Beltran.

  260. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Kev,

    Signing good players to a contract doesn’t have to be a bad thing. McCann for five years. Choo for 5-6. Peralta for 3-4. Those additions create a team who won’t finish in the bottom three in offense again.

    Failing to sign players like that insure another 2-3 years of Ichiro, Wells, Hafner and the like as critical players. Personally, I can’t stand it. Believe me, if we he young options I would be all for them. We don’t.

    People act as if not spending starts rebuilding. Why? Hal is going to sign Cubans? He is using the money to hire Billy Beane? No, it is simply unspent money not building anything.

  261. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Mac-

    He hasn’t convinced me that spending money is not good.

    But I would say they have to be a lot smarter about who gets it and for how long.

    ;)

  262. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Signing good players to a contract doesn’t have to be a bad thing. McCann for five years. Choo for 5-6. Peralta for 3-4. Those additions create a team who won’t finish in the bottom three in offense again.
    ——–

    So were you disagreeing with the point that I was making? Because that was the point I was making. You seemed to be addressing me when you said “Sign Tanaka and do some small deals,” when I was simply referring to buy guys not named Robinson Canol.

  263. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:46 am

    The Red Sox farm system is ranked in the top five, if not higher. Please don’t say it is because of a pro-Sox prejudice. Boegarts looks like a better prospect than we have had in 7-8 years.

    They also got better by signing free agents to multi-year contracts.

  264. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:47 am

    “Boegarts looks like a better prospect than we have had in 7-8 years.”

    Boegarts was an IFA, not a draft. I was addressing the comment about the Red Sox and the draft. I don’t care where their farm is. The players aren’t on the field, they haven’t done anything.

  265. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 8:48 am

    austinmac,

    We do have some high ceiling rookie ball guys:

    “Baseball America has started publishing their annual top 20 prospects lists for each of the 16 minor leagues this week, and the series continued today with the Rookie Gulf Coast League. Ninth overall pick OF Austin Meadows (Pirates) topped the list, predictably. The Yankees landed six (!) players in the top 20: C Luis Torrens (#10), 3B Miguel Andujar (#11), SS Abi Avelino (#13), 2B Gosuke Katoh (#15), RHP Luis Severino (#17), and SS Thairo Estrada (#20). LHP Ian Clarkin didn’t not have enough innings to qualify.

    -RAB

  266. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:50 am

    The Red Sox that won the World Series in 2013 were similar to the Yankees in 2012. Not a young team.

  267. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Kev,

    I may have misunderstood “small deals”. I don’t recommend them paying Cano what he wants, but they have to add good players and not go diving anymore.

    It is my view, and will always be my view, it is foolish to let the cap destroy the winning history of the team. They can spend far over it and still be the most financially healthy team in baseball. They aren’t valued at $3 billion for nothing.

  268. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Why don’t our IFAs turn out?

    The Sox must be doing something right to have a well regarded system. The contrary is true for our team.

    Cheap in the draft and cheap for the IFAs in the last several years has been their method of operation.. The reason they drafted Bichette and Culver was they knew they were easy and inexpensive signings. That is no way to run a multi-billion dollar business

  269. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 9:01 am

    JAP,

    The highly ranked short season guys seems like déjà vu. Haven’t we thought that before to have them fizzle out in Tampa?

    I do like in this year’s draft they actually drafted players others thought had ability rather than using the secret evaluation methods they usually use.

    My point has been, other than the potential first round draft pick loss, not spending is not rebuilding.

  270. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 9:04 am

    RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:43 am

    JAP,

    Where are the stats from? Curious.
    ///

    They’re his 2013 stats. I didn’t need to look them up to know he flat out raked last year with RISP, but you can find them on Baseball Reference.

    Gotta say, the Cano depicted on this site and the one I watch as a Yankee fan must be a different player.

    The one I watch arguably is the best player in baseball right now, all things considered. At least, there is no all-around player better, when you consider position, hitting for average and power, hitting both RHP and LHP, arm, glove.

    Gotta say, though, reading here that Mark Teixeira is a better hitter than Robinson Cano probably trumps all.

  271. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 9:11 am

    amac,

    I know, things are bleak. But we have some really good young pitching and those position guys, though far away, are at least guys I can look forward to seeing come up :)

    Avelino and Andujar I admit I’m stoked about. Anderson Feliz never gets any prospect love, but he is still one of the most memorable young players I have seen (he had hip surgery, so I don’t know where that puts him for 2013, but he can really play).

  272. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 9:11 am

    It does appear that the calculus has changed w so many more teams awash in $$$.

    More competition for available FA’s and greater likelihood of extending guys.

    Net result is you either have to spend more, develop your own, or trade for what you want.

    The last alternative is related to the 2nd. You must have a quality Farm to be able to trade.

    Most thought change was needed to improve the Farm.

    We didn’t get it. That’s pretty inexplicable.

  273. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 9:11 am

    JAP,

    Hal has convinced many we can’t afford Cano or to compete in the market. Every other team pays what the Yankees believe to be above market value. I can imagine the Cano-less Yankee team scoring about 3.5 runs/game next year.

    The richest team in baseball can’t compete for players. Go figure.

  274. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 9:14 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 9:04 am
    RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 8:43 am

    JAP,

    Where are the stats from? Curious.
    ///

    They’re his 2013 stats. I didn’t need to look them up to know he flat out raked last year with RISP, but you can find them on Baseball Reference.

    Gotta say, the Cano depicted on this site and the one I watch as a Yankee fan must be a different player.

    The one I watch arguably is the best player in baseball right now, all things considered. At least, there is no all-around player better, when you consider position, hitting for average and power, hitting both RHP and LHP, arm, glove.

    Gotta say, though, reading here that Mark Teixeira is a better hitter than Robinson Cano probably trumps all.

    ———————————–
    don’t have to read just go look

  275. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    I can imagine the Cano-less Yankee team scoring about 3.5 runs/game next year.
    ///

    There will be virtually no one in the stands.

    If Hal lets Cano walk, he is officially an embarrassment. His reps know he’s not getting 310M. But he has to get paid and it has to be us that pays him.

  276. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Mac,
    I suggest you go drown your sorrows in Franklins BBQ :)

  277. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 9:17 am

    joeman…..
    ……
    ……
    …..
    yeah,…… I remain speechless….

  278. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 9:17 am
    joeman…..
    ……
    ……
    …..
    yeah,…… I remain speechless….

    ——————–
    show me where I said Tex was a better hitter

  279. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 9:22 am

    MTU,

    I agree on the three ways to build a team, but the absence of any helpful or traceable prospects limit the Yankees to improving by free agent signings. Guess what? The prices are up again. So, does that mean we sit on the sidelines while the other financial baseball titans sign the good ones? That is my guess.

    Hal hates inflation.

  280. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 9:26 am

    The Dodgers spent freely last year. They made the playoffs for the first time in a while. They packed the stands. They will have huge attendance this year. We didn’t spend and attendance was way down as we lost. Fans don’t expect much again and attendance will continue to decline.

    Isn’t there a lesson to be learned here?

    I am not pessimistic. I am POed because they could still change their direction but won’t for the savings of a few million bucks.

  281. yankee21 November 23rd, 2013 at 9:30 am

    The Yankees have one of the most inept management teams in all baseball. And given their resources it could be argued they are singularly the worst. Yet there are no changes except for the firing of a stupid low conditioning coach.

    The Yankees have one of the most dis-engaged and passionless owner in all of American Sports. Yet no writers call him out.

    These are the two main reason as to why they are in this predicament, it is solely self-made.

    Until at least one of these conditions change they are headed into a big ditch.

    Forget Cano he is not what this team needs he will be a waste of precious Hal dollars. If Hal was truly committed to building and fielding a championship caliber team then Cano would be a no-brainer.

    As it stands now, signing Cano to any kind of moon deal will just be a lost cause.

  282. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Yankee21,

    I have been complaining the fans have been brainwashed. You hit the nail on the head with the media. No tough questions and no analysis of the problems. No wonder Hal gets away with it.

  283. yankee21 November 23rd, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Just think where this team and organization was a mere 4 years ago. It is solely under Hal’s watch that he has tolerated and accepted that the premier team in all of American Sports has descended into one of the running jokes in all the game.

    Fortunately it is still early in the OS and he still has a chance to turn this team’s fortunes around. The question will be will he be a wimp and go down the middle lane and try to play NY fans for chumps and writers as idiots or will he pick a lane, commit to it and not turn back.

    It is his legacy he is building and Hal will be outed this winter one way or the other.

  284. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 9:40 am

    NYY attendance lost last season was over 3,000 per game…parking… concessions ..Restaurants took a hit not counting money lost not making the playoffs. & Yes Network ratings down..all because of the product on the field which was a product of injuries. At this stage 14 won’t be any better thus a bigger loss at the gate and everything that goes with it

  285. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 9:40 am

    yankee21 November 23rd, 2013 at 9:30 am

    The Yankees have one of the most inept management teams in all baseball. And given their resources it could be argued they are singularly the worst. Yet there are no changes except for the firing of a stupid low conditioning coach.

    The Yankees have one of the most dis-engaged and passionless owner in all of American Sports. Yet no writers call him out.
    ///

    Yep.

  286. yankee21 November 23rd, 2013 at 9:42 am

    austinmac,

    I don’t think the fans have been brainwashed I think they are just busy doing other things.
    The Yankees are no longer rock stars. They are a once proud franchise that is groveling to sign garbage.

    That is on Hal and his decisions over time. Will he change direction? My gut says he won’t until he sees attendance and ratings start favoring the Mets.

  287. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Mac-

    I’m on the Blake plan.

    Pick a lane.

    Either spend enough to make the team competitive right now and ditch 189 for now.

    Or

    Make a few additions for the future, save the money and draft picks, and get under 189 so you can
    rebuild starting next year.

    Just don’t ride right down the yellow line.

    ;)

  288. yankee21 November 23rd, 2013 at 9:46 am

    The Yankees weren’t the only team in baseball with injuries last year. Yes, they got hit hard but there other teams such as BOS (RPs), TEX (SPs) that got hammered as well.

    Losers make injuries an excuse. The Yankees never used to do that. They now do it all the time to justify their piss poor results.

    Loser owner, loser management, loser results. Kind of predictable.

  289. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 9:46 am

    yankee21 November 23rd, 2013 at 9:42 am
    austinmac,

    I don’t think the fans have been brainwashed I think they are just busy doing other things.
    The Yankees are no longer rock stars. They are a once proud franchise that is groveling to sign garbage.

    That is on Hal and his decisions over time. Will he change direction? My gut says he won’t until he sees attendance and ratings start favoring the Mets.

    ———————————————-
    I agree, so what we need is for the Mets to take over the town

  290. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 9:49 am

    You enter a whole new world of homerdom to say Robinson Cano is better than Mike Trout, or Miguel Cabrera. He’s not even the best player in his league.

    Since 2007 Miguel Cabrera’s WAR is 46. Since 2007 Robinson Cano’s WAR is 39.7. Miguel Cabrera has outproduced Cano by a 6.3 war. That’s a by a margin greater than Cano’s third best season. Admittedly, WAR is not perfect, but Cano is not significantly better on the basepaths, and WAR’s biggest problem is the defensive side, which would favor Cano significantly more than Cabrera.

    So I’m not sure why you would argue Cano is the best player in baseball right now. You would be wrong.

    Cano is very good, I like him, but there’s no point to be as delusional as the Cano haters.

  291. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 9:49 am

    …..so, who do ya’ think is going to win the Grey Cup? I’m pulling for Hamilton, so my downtown turns into a Sunday night carnival.I’m thinking of passing through the beer store today, just to catch the vibe :D

  292. yankee21 November 23rd, 2013 at 9:52 am

    The Mets owned NY from about 1984 to the early 1990s. They had incredible young players coming up and a buzz that drew people to Shea and to the team.

    They were bad asses through and through and they were damn good.

    NY is a town that loves winners and it won’t take much for the Mets to reclaim many fans.
    Especially with Hal as the owner and the current management in place for the Yankees, the Mets have a window beginning to open that they can try to regain share. The problem the Mets have is they have a bad team and other than pitching not much to rave about in their organization.

    We’ll see what happens.

  293. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 9:53 am

    I prefer the CFL as it only has 3 downs – short attention span, that’s me. Warren Moon could sure run things up here, and Flutie was wonderful, Vince Farragamo,….another matter. Dieter Brock was good, ditto Conredge Hollloway and Tom Clemons.

  294. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 9:54 am

    jmills..# 4 drop down the puck the other night before the Bruins..Blues game ..a sight to see looks like he can still play the game at 65 what great shape he’s in

  295. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Another thing I like aboot the CFL, is that the players aren’t on some other planet, and have to get real jobs after they’re done throwing balls around.

  296. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Joe, Orr would have played well into his forties, no problem, and the debate about who was #1 would have been made all the more moot :D

  297. Giuseppe Franco November 23rd, 2013 at 10:04 am

    People who focus on the injuries as the Yanks’ downfall in 2013 completely miss the point.

    The truth is that this team was destined to fail given the way the roster was constructed during the offseason.

    Injuries or not, they had no business being within striking distance at the trade deadline and should have started selling their assets.

    And I certainly don’t expect things to improve in 2014.

  298. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I’m staying rather reserved about 2014 myself.

  299. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:11 am

    I do think college football players should get some kind of disability plan. Colleges must be making some kind of big money, and there’d be a lot of kids from limited means, whose dreams are over before they began,

  300. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 10:12 am

    “Especially with Hal as the owner and the current management in place for the Yankees, the Mets have a window beginning to open that they can try to regain share.”

    I also remember the 80′s Mets kicking the Yankees butt in winning over the kids of NY. George hated the thought of that. It’s only because the Mets have been so inept that they have not taken a lot more market share already. Yep… the Yankees have left that window wide open. A couple more good young players to go with Harvey and Hal is going to have a lot more to think about than just reaching 189.

  301. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Unless the team makes significant moves, 2013 will seem like the good old days.

  302. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Austin, don’t worry, there’s growth through, pain.

  303. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    So I’m not sure why you would argue Cano is the best player in baseball right now. You would be wrong.

    Cano is very good, I like him, but there’s no point to be as delusional as the Cano haters.
    ///

    I said you can make an argument for Cano, and you absolutely can. Cabrera is a great hitter, but he plays 3B (poorly, at that).

    Trout you can argue for, but Cano plays an even more important up-the-middle position, getting way more chances to impact games as a defender, and he is a superb defender.

    Cano is a DP-turning machine all by himself; he is extraordinary. Dismissing his impact defensively is willful blindness.

    Further, take a guess how many 2B slugged over .500 this year in baseball….

    I don’t even think any slugged .500 who are like in the top 20.

    Cano put up a .516 slug, and that’s on a team that was absolutely miserable – yes, miserable – offensively.

    What do you think Cano’s slugging (and OPS) might have been if he’d have had, say, Ortiz hitting behind him, like Little Dusty has?

    What’s “delusional” (to use your word) is to deny that Cano is in the conversation for best player in baseball, and to just refuse to consider that this guy, who virtually had a .900 OPS as a 2B (.899), is doing this as a second baseman .

    Cano is not only a superstar, he is a rare, rare player.

  304. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Personally, I’m bored by the business of sport, and the legal going ons just don’t hold me. I like stories about stats and how Doc Ellis dropped acid and pitched a perfect game.

  305. AAA November 23rd, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Using Fangraphs version of WAR (I’ve always preferred it to BRef’s), Cano has posted the 5th best WAR in baseball over the past five seasons (2009-13) at 29.4, trailing Votto (29.6), Zobrist(29.7), Longoria (30.6) and Cabrera (32.5).

    Over the past 3 seasons (read: when Mike Trout entered the picture), Cano has the 4th best WAR at 19.1 trailing only McCutchen (20.4) and Trout and Cabrera (both 21.1).

    If the argument is Cano isn’t the best player in baseball, or even the AL, I’ll buy it. I think it’s Trout. However, the evidence does show that in Cano, we are talking about a Top 5 player in the game. If he played the last 8 seasons for the Angels and were becoming a free agent, Yankees fans would be pining for him in a Yankee uniform. As it is, they still should be.

  306. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 10:20 am

    JAP-

    Cano will likely turn out to be one of the best ever to have played his position.

    Certainly of the current generation.

    I think that says it all.

    ;)

  307. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Hi, Alfred, as you’ve probably read in my e mail, Leafs stunk on Thursday, I’m so glad my ride, ticket, etc, were free. Unfortunately, I was tired for work on Friday. Still, worth it, I guess.

  308. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 10:23 am

    WAR is not perfect, but Cano is not significantly better on the basepaths, and WAR’s biggest problem is the defensive side, which would favor Cano significantly more than Cabrera.”

    But not significantly enough.

    Pedroia UZR 10.9
    Cano UZR 0.8

    Now I have no idea how that affects total WAR value, and I do think that WAR is useful……

    But the only explanation I have for those above numbers is garbage in garbage out.

  309. yankee21 November 23rd, 2013 at 10:24 am

    I liken Cano to a 4 year old, 200K Ferrari. A rare breed.

    I liken Hal and his management team with the insane direction they’ve been on to buying that Ferrari and then parking it under a carport trying to impress their apartment neighbors.

    If you don’t have the lifestyle don’t buy a Ferrari because it is a statement in and of itself.

    If you have to park it under a damn car port because you can’t afford a mansion or in Hal’s case choose not to spend on assets to compliment that Ferrari, It is a waste of money.

    Hal just forget Cano and focus on buying towels at a good price for your little hotels.

  310. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 10:24 am

    I said you can make an argument for Cano, and you absolutely can. Cabrera is a great hitter, but he plays 3B (poorly, at that).
    ———

    I could argue that the sky is neon colored right now, but I would be wrong. Hey, it’s a free country I guess.

    Is second base more valuable than CF, where Trout will rightfully be back again? That, you can argue. You cannot argue that Trout is a better all around player than Cano these past two seasons, and you cannot argue the Cano has been a better player than Cabrera at almost any point in his big league career.

    Is Cano in the conversation for Top 10? Yes, definitely. Is he the best second basemen in the game? I’m not even checking and I’m saying “yes, definitely.”

    Why do you feel the need to drum up Cano? Is it not acceptable for him to not be in the conversation for the third best in his league? It’s not like there’s shame in that. I’m just not paying top dollar for someone who *was* third best, and is on the wrong side of 30. He’s got a lot going for him, but I’m just saying he hasn’t been perfect, has been inconsistent with RISP, has been *historically* bad in the playoffs, and for what it’s worth, not much of a leader by the sounds of it (but hey, is that worth anything? arguable).

  311. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 10:25 am

    have to believe a healthy jeter..arod..tex..granderson the team would have been better no doubt..them being hurt caused them to sign those bad players who nobody wanted

  312. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 10:26 am

    …As I recall, there were people on Lohud a few years ago who ragged on Cano relentlessly.

    Their comments were gratuitous and blind; there were jokes about trading him for “a bag of balls”, and as I recall, there were posters who still comment here who raised nary a protest for the condemnation and the lack of understanding of how talented this guy was or how good he was going to be. That was in 2008.

    Let’s put it this way, I can remember very few who sided with me that Cano was a rare talent. Raymagnetic, I remember, was indignant at how Cano was being trashed, and there were a few others, but by and large, very little support thrown Robinson Cano’s way, and very few who even accounted him a can’t-miss bat. I remember observing that he had the best pure bat from our system since Mattingly, and people went wild. “How dare you compare him to Mattingly?? He will never be that kind of hitter.”

    It seems to me that the needle has not moved much off those earlier impressions, even in the face of Cano’s elite status as the game’s best 2B.

    That’s frankly astounding.

    Even some of the praise he receives is often backhanded, and begrudging.

    The lack of appreciation of how good he is continues to mystify me. I cannot explain it.

  313. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 10:26 am

    That was from last year.

    From 2007

    Pedroia UZR 64.8

    Cano UZR 2.5

    I mean WTF?

  314. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:27 am

    If Cano turns into, Molitor, I can’t wait to drool over the Saturday morning #s. Forty years on, .341, and 225 hits!

  315. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 10:28 am

    MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 10:20 am

    JAP-

    Cano will likely turn out to be one of the best ever to have played his position.

    Certainly of the current generation.

    I think that says it all.

    ;)
    ///

    When all is said and done, I think you’ll be proven 100 percent prophetic.

  316. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 10:26 am

    That was from last year.

    From 2007

    Pedroia UZR 64.8

    Cano UZR 2.5

    I mean WTF?
    ///

    QFT, WTF!

  317. jacksquat November 23rd, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Cano is an excellent player.

    But you can’t forget, Arod was an even better player, and they still overpaid him (2nd contract).

    The Yankees just can’t do another Arod, I think that’s what most here are arguing against.

  318. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Sorry, guys, I’m just too lazy for these new stats, and yes, I still think about 20 game winners :D

  319. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 10:33 am

    yankee21 November 23rd, 2013 at 10:24 am

    I liken Cano to a 4 year old, 200K Ferrari. A rare breed.
    ///

    I agree, Good comp.
    ///

    Why do you feel the need to drum up Cano?
    ///

    I have no “need” to do anything. You opined that he’s not clutch, and I showed you that you overlooked his most recent season, which was kinda hard to overlook: he killed it in all manner of “clutch” situations.

    He doesn’t need me to drum him up, btw. He’s blatantly tremendous for anyone with eyes.

  320. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 23rd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Haven’t read the posts in a few days because I’ve really been out of commission with this back stuff. (Thankfully it feels like I’ve turned the corner at least a bit.) So if this is not in line with current posts I apologize.

    This isn’t necessarily an earthshaking thought, but it occurs to me that with the way things have regressed with Arod and the hearings, the Yankees might intentionally be stalling on any 3B decision, not only because they don’t know how long he’ll be away from the game but also because picking up anyone for 3B could just be fuel for team Arod to pull the Yankees into their soap opera and say they knew all along that the Yankees were behind this and they just proved it by bringing on a new 3B when Arod is their 3B under contract.

    Just a thought.

    By the way, I don’t know if a lot is happening in the baseball world but is it too early to expect the Yankees to have made some significant move somewhere? I guess a scary though would be if they felt they didn’t need to make any significant moves.

    Back to icing.

    Have a great day.

  321. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Cano is great, the problem is, if his body gives out half way through ten, it taints how we feel warm and fuzzy about the player. Back in the day, Gillick just wouldn’t give a starter more than three years.

  322. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 10:41 am

    jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Hi, Alfred, as you’ve probably read in my e mail, Leafs stunk on Thursday, I’m so glad my ride, ticket, etc, were free. Unfortunately, I was tired for work on Friday. Still, worth it, I guess.
    ///

    Glad you got there. :) Sorry they lost, I was checking scores as the game wore on.

    Gotta help out here for a while.

    Good one, folks

  323. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I got Cano at #6 as far as best hitters in the game right now

  324. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Trisha-

    I have been having some problems of my own.

    So I apologize for not responding sooner but I hope you continue on the road to a speedy recovery.

    I agree with those who advised you to seek a medical opinion 1st before seeing the Chiropractor.

    That way you can be sure you are not further aggravating your injury.

  325. DONNYBROOK November 23rd, 2013 at 10:45 am

    The issue is not, “how good is Cano”? The answer to that is obvious. The issue is, “do you want to tie yourself to this guy for at Least 7 yrs”? Considering the skin flints that are currently running this team, the answer is NO. Hal and Comp were rubbing nickels together last season, due to A-Rod putting such a huge dent in their self imposed team salary figure. The same thing will happen with Cano and his salary affecting their approach to comprising a 25 man roster. Hal and Comp can claim they will change once the Yankee tax situation gets reset with MLB, but that is BS. These guys are driven by $$$. Case Closed.

  326. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Alfred, enjoy your chores :D Trish, glad to hear your back is better.

  327. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Trisha,

    Glad you’re feeling somewhat better. Take it a bit easy still. Then, gentle stretching.

    My medical office is now closed for the weekend.

  328. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:49 am

    This has been a fun morning, Cano, Doc Ellis, and the CFL!

  329. DONNYBROOK November 23rd, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Thought the Cards did Very well on the Freese deal. When healthy, Bourjos is a Kenny Lofton type player, and they got him for a guy that had no position with them. The Angels Overpaid.

  330. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    I have no “need” to do anything. You opined that he’s not clutch, and I showed you that you overlooked his most recent season, which was kinda hard to overlook: he killed it in all manner of “clutch” situations.

    He doesn’t need me to drum him up, btw. He’s blatantly tremendous for anyone with eyes.
    —————

    Cano is great, his “clutchness” or whatever is mixed if you look at his body of work (although much better now than in 2008-2009, and a dip in 2012), and his post season performances are mixed, at best. I see no harm in scrutinizing a player looking for a HUGE commitment.

    I see slight imperfections and think, does he warrant this deal, and if I have to pick and choose how I’d spend my money, would I give it all to one player?

    I do sound like I’m too hard on Cano. I know he’s great, and I don’t care how he runs the base paths.

  331. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Trisha..hope you feel better and soon..know it doesn’t help you but I went thru that a few weeks ago, bent over to pet the dog like I do every morning and couldn’t straighten back up…I took Robaxin every 6 hours put a hot rice towel on my back and did my back exercises, everyone is different though..took two weeks for me to lose that leg pain and when that went away the back felt better

  332. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 10:26 am

    That was from last year.

    From 2007

    Pedroia UZR 64.8

    Cano UZR 2.5

    I mean WTF?

    —————————–

    Found this link that attempts to explain UZR:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/library/defense/uzr/

    Very interesting. I don’t buy its valdity, but interesting nonetheless.

  333. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Cano is a very good hitter and one of the best players in the game but it’s all part of the package you are getting..

  334. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Chicken, fashionably late are we? :)

  335. RhapsodyInBlue November 23rd, 2013 at 11:02 am

    We have not had very good luck in recent years with long contracts. Look at the current team, Tex, CC and Arod.

    Look at the contract Albert P. received from the Angels. No question all of us want Cano to return, however we are where we are because of large contracts to players who do not deliver at the back end..

  336. yanks61 November 23rd, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Hi MTU – I hope the pup is doing better. Sorry to hear about all the problems.

    I’m just catching up on yesterday’s thread and saw your desire to be a Bugatti Veyron!

    It’s funny, nearly 30 years here in France and I’ve never seen one. Go figure. Anyway, it seems they’ll be making another, probably less expense (and less fast sports car.) Maybe you could aim for that. :)

    http://news.drive.com.au/drive.....2tlr2.html

    I’ve read elsehwere that they lose something like $6 million on every car they make! Only the French: lose 6 mil per car just pour la gloire??

    ———————————————————————————

    Hi Tricia – I’m glad to hear that your back is doing better. Austinmac gave you some very good advice the other day; get a complete check up. Then, if nothing serious, find out about appropriate exercises you can do to strengthen muscles in order to compensate for the back problem. Exercises have helped me.

  337. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:07 am

    The Bugatti has an ugly front IMO. There’s a youtube video of someone driving one of them into a lake.

  338. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 11:08 am

    would like to see Cano take a 4/120 here

  339. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 11:08 am

    jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 10:58 am
    Chicken, fashionably late are we?

    ———————–

    Since I normally only post in the evenings, I’d like to think I’m really, really early :)

  340. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Patrick-

    I hope you don’t mind me using your name ?

    Anyway, Thanks for the warm wishes.

    It an uphill battle with the pup’s eye.

    I don’t think we can save it this time.

    Sorry to be so depressing.

    As far as the Veyron goes. 40K for a set of tires. Slightly out of my league.

    But I always dream big.

    But Man can she move out and she has incredible style.

    I have champagne taste and beer pockets.

    :)

  341. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Joe, what happened to you, will never happen to me, there’s simply no impetus to bend over and pet a plant.

  342. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Patrick-

    I almost forgot. I had sent you some Photos.

    Did you receive them ?

  343. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:13 am

    MTU, thoughts out to you and your pal.

  344. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Thanks Mills.

    Much appreciated.

  345. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Cano is close to Cabrera’s value because defense matters. Cano is an elite defender at 2b….might is the worst 3B I baseball

    Trout is the best player in baseball ….Cano is top 5 right now. He’s very good and if he gone you’re lopping like 6 or 7 wins off the Yankees which you’d have to replace just to get back to where they were last year.

    Last two seasons combined fWAR

    Cano: 13.7
    Miggy: 14.4

  346. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:11 am
    Joe, what happened to you, will never happen to me, there’s simply no impetus to bend over and pet a plant.

    ————————————————
    watch out if you drop a $ bill

  347. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Choo and infante would approximate Cano’s WAR…..but then you’d have to sign more players to actually improve from a year ago.

    Easier to just keep cano and add to then if they want to compete next year….. Otherwise pull the plug and rebuild

  348. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 11:21 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    November 23, 2013 at 10:51 am
    Thought the Cards did Very well on the Freese deal. When healthy, Bourjos is a Kenny Lofton type player, and they got him for a guy that had no position with them. The Angels Overpaid.

    Boujos is Bret Garnder that gets on base less…..but he’s I like the deal for the cards

  349. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:24 am

    ” Watch out if you drop a $ bill ”

    Up here we happily call them, loonies, which I feel has a nice, relaxed, easy notion about it.

  350. yanks61 November 23rd, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Hi, Mike. No, I haven’t received them (?) Did you send them to my gmail address?

    I’m counting the days to pick up the X-E1! Probably shortly after we get back from a quick three day visit to Saint Malo. Price has come down a little with the X-E2 coming on the market.

    Mike, I’m really sorry to hear about the pup. You know, I’m sure, that dogs (and cats) aren’t all that bothered about missing an eye. So, if he’s otherwise healthy, he will still live a good life and be a great friend. It’s we humans who agonize over these things.

    Our Cairn is 12 and still positively brimming with life. But we lost our last one very suddenly at a relatively young age. Now we’re just grateful that our little girl is still doing so well; a real joy in our lives.

  351. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Blake..whats the WAR for the last two years between Cano and McCutchen

  352. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    “Is Cano in the conversation for Top 10? Yes, definitely. Is he the best second basemen in the game? I’m not even checking and I’m saying “yes, definitely.””

    He’s the best 2B in baseball and it’s not all that close ether

  353. yankeefeminista November 23rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    MTU, off to my workplace, but continuing to send prayers Lucky’s way…

    Also, as per Cano, over the past 3 years, Cano has a .224 ISO from 2B. Ridiculous. Major compensation for the lack of pop/money saving strategy for stingy Hal that we’ve received elsewhere, COF, C, 3B with our run prevention mantra.

    Later.

  354. yankeefeminista November 23rd, 2013 at 11:26 am

    *from stingy Hal

    Have a good day!

  355. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Mcutchen fwar over the last 2 seasons is 15. Cutch is awesome…..he might be the 2nd best overall player in baseball right now

  356. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    blake November 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am
    Mcutchen fwar over the last 2 seasons is 15. Cutch is awesome…..he might be the 2nd best overall player in baseball right now

  357. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:29 am

    …..and our $2 bills are called, ” twoonies “, eh :D

  358. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    agree

  359. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:29 am
    …..and our $2 bills are called, ” twoonies “, eh
    —————————————————————
    what do they call a C-Note

  360. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Bet the pirates are feelin pretty good about that 6/51 contract they did with Mcutchen

  361. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:35 am

    ” What do they call a C-note? ”

    We haven’t gotten that far, but I’m thinking of having Oliver Reed over to drum up a name.

  362. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 11:39 am

    blake November 23rd, 2013 at 11:32 am
    Bet the pirates are feelin pretty good about that 6/51 contract they did with Mcutchen

    ———————————————-
    McCutchen..will be 32 when he’s a FA again unless they do the right thing

  363. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Suppose the Yankees make the decision to not spend and totally rebuild. What’s the plan? No immediate help on the way from the farm… can’t trade for propects because of posessing very little trade value… Sure, they’ll get a higher draft position, etc. but a complete rebuild will take lots of time and luck.

    Why not spend (smartly) while trying to develop talent? Although I’ll continue to be a Yankee fan regardless, 5 years of being irrelevant doesn’t appeal to me.

  364. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Yanks61, I thought the X-E1 was some kind of exotic car and that you were about to fly me over to try it out.:D The only thing I know about cameras is to not put my index finger over the lens.

  365. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 11:43 am

    jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:35 am
    ” What do they call a C-note? ”

    We haven’t gotten that far, but I’m thinking of having Oliver Reed over to drum up a name.

    ——————————————-
    wouldn’t Elisha Cuthbert be a better choice

  366. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Patrick-

    I believe I sent them there but I’ll try re-sending.

    You’re right. It is more gut wrenching for us than for the pup.

    I know he’ll adjust. It’s getting through the process that’s heart rending.

    It’s gruesome to view right now. But he is not really in pain as of the moment.

    We’ll make it. Thanks.

    The X-E1 is an excellent camera and quite a bargain right now. Great choice.

    :)

  367. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Elisha is currently occupied :(

  368. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Actually, Elisha isn’t my type, bring back, Donna Mills.

  369. yanks61 November 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Yanks61, I thought the X-E1 was some kind of exotic car and that you were about to fly me over to try it out.:D The only thing I know about cameras is to not put my index finger over the lens.

    ————————————————————————————-

    JMills -Not putting your finger over the lens is a great start! Did you test drive the Veyron yourself ? (I trust you won’t put it into a lake. But I wouldn’t mind seeing a picture of THAT!)

    With a top speed of 254 MPH, you could probably fly over in the Bugatti!

    http://www.autoblog.com/2013/0.....top-speed/

  370. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Patrick-

    You’ve got mail.

    :)

  371. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:54 am

    http://r4—sn-ux3n588t-mj.....&mv=m

    Rob Ford – The Movie

  372. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Never been in the same room as a Veyron.

  373. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Off to the gym to relieve some stress.

    Catch you later.

    ;)

  374. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    With Crimson in Triumph Flashing! The 130th playing of The Game from the Yale Bowl now on the air. Gaudeamus Igitur!

  375. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    tom you from ct

  376. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    130th playing?! Tempus fugit!

  377. yanks61 November 23rd, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    I have indeed got it now. More perfectly awesome photos. My reply is in the mail!

    Patrick

  378. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Joe,
    Nah, I was a Jersey boy.

  379. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Chicken,

    You are playing my tune. Losing is not rebuilding.

  380. yanks61 November 23rd, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Where abouts in New Jersey, Tom?

    I grew up in Jersey City and later Edison (near New Brunswick.) Went to St Peter’s College.

  381. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    61,
    Ho-Ho-Kus, a little town in Bergen County. It was rural in those days, with fruit orchards, woods and streams to mess around in. Perfect for a kid.

  382. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    “You are playing my tune. Losing is not rebuilding.”

    There is this thought out there that the yanks can his take a step back and rebuild and be good again in like 2 years with all young players……that’s so totally unrealistic.

    The Yankees need to rebuild their minors leagues and spend money…..maybe then those two lines will cross on the graph in a couple years and they actually will be good again

  383. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    14 zip for the good guys!

  384. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Last two seasons combined fWAR

    Cano: 13.7
    Miggy: 14.4
    ———–

    Yes, and defense does matter, but WAR should be taken with a grain of salt because of the defensive metrics. I imagine the defensive metrics are overstated, more so than understated, because they are given equal weight to offensive metrics when they are far less accurate and precise. So even with WAR perhaps being tilted in Cano’s favor, Miggy comes out on top.

  385. yanks61 November 23rd, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    I know it Tom. That is to say that I’ve driven through it a few a few times.

    It sounds as though it’s still a pretty nice town. Probably a little too Republican for me, but you can’t have everything!:

    http://njmonthly.com/articles/.....o-kus.html

    Well, I’m off for dinner soon. have a good one everyone.

  386. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    You get that pastrami started Tom? Cookin anything. Else this weekend?

  387. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    “Yes, and defense does matter, but WAR should be taken with a grain of salt because of the defensive metrics. I imagine the defensive metrics are overstated, more so than understated, because they are given equal weight to offensive metrics when they are far less accurate and precise. So even with WAR perhaps being tilted in Cano’s favor, Miggy comes out on top.”

    I don’t disagree that WAR sometimes slants a little towards defense but to me it’s a bigger issue when it overates a no bat outfielder than a world class 2B.

    Even if WAR gives cano too much extra credit for defense….you’re still talking about a great hitter that plays a premium position well.

    Id rather have Miggy than Cano…..but their value isn’t that much different ….cano is a top tier player….

  388. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Defense certainly made a big difference for Detroit in the playoffs…..Prince and Miggy cost them some outs

  389. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    blake,
    Pastrami begins tomorrow. Nothing special on the menu, just mixing up a little Dirty Rice today

  390. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    blake November 23rd, 2013 at 12:50 pm
    Defense certainly made a big difference for Detroit in the playoffs…..Prince and Miggy cost them some outs
    ———

    Eh, Prince and Miggy did cost them. Prince because he was terrible, and Miggy because he could barely play. If they hit at all they could have beat the Sox.

  391. Shame Spencer November 23rd, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    pat November 23rd, 2013 at 8:34 am

    Didn’t read anything from yesterday here yet so apologies if this is old news…..

    Buster_ESPN
    There are rumors that Robinson Cano met with the Tigers Friday, writes Tony Paul. http://www.detroitnews.com/art…..dyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|p …

    ——————-

    Ugh.. thanks for the update pat.

    blake – Have you ever tried to smoke wings? Seems like a lot of effort for just chicken wings but my friend served me up some last weekend and they were absolutely awesome.

  392. Shame Spencer November 23rd, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    The Tigers pen cost them more than anything…

  393. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    so the top 4 hitters are with war
    Trout
    McCutchen
    Cabrerra
    Cano

  394. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Miggy’s 2013 postseason OPS: .716
    Prince’s 2013 postseason OPS: .561

  395. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    “Even if WAR gives cano too much extra credit for defense….”

    it seems to me that WAR is NOT giving Cano enough credit for his defense.

    Someone explain to me how Pedroia is like ten times better than Cano….. according to the defensive metrics?

  396. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Tar,
    Vertical hopping and dirty shirts are highly valued by WAR.

  397. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    “blake – Have you ever tried to smoke wings? Seems like a lot of effort for just chicken wings but my friend served me up some last weekend and they were absolutely awesome.”

    I haven’t….I liked fried wings with hot sauce to much I guess

  398. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Tom

    :D too funny

  399. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    “Someone explain to me how Pedroia is like ten times better than Cano….. according to the defensive metrics?”

    He’s not…..defensive metrics are kinda sketchy in 1 year samples…..I don’t have the numbers in front of me but most years cano and Pedroia grade out well.

  400. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Tom,

    Love dirty rice ….you cook my kind of food my man

  401. tucker November 23rd, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    “There is this thought out there that the yanks can his take a step back and rebuild and be good again in like 2 years with all young players……that’s so totally unrealistic.

    The Yankees need to rebuild their minors leagues and spend money…..maybe then those two lines will cross on the graph in a couple years and they actually will be good again.”

    The Yanks had a chance to do this in 2009.The farm was bubbling with quality prospects after Cashman declared that player development was the way to go. They had AJax, Kennedy, Gardner, Mike Dunn, Vizcaino and Montero all as solid prospects. They could have signed Matt Holiday, skipped the Grandy trade and slowly integrated their prospects onto the MLB team. Instead, they chose to trade all those promising young players except Gardner. And they stopped spending over slot in the draft and significantly scaled back IFAs.

    This was their chance to lower payroll and field a championship-caliber team. As the young players developed, they could have moved into starting roles. All you need is 2 or 3 cost-controlled, productive players to make a meaningful dent in payroll. Instead, Hal-led Yankees viewed their prospects as a garage sale that would allow them to acquire talent and avoid the free agent market.

  402. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    blake,
    Po’ folks food satisfies the soul. I I could only ramp up my appreciation for collards and turnip greens, my transformation would be complete.

  403. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Oh collards and turnip greens are amazing…..make sure you throw a little fat back in there

  404. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    blake,
    I know how to cook’em, because Mrs. Tom loves them. There’s something fascinating about watching a double arm-load of collards reducing themselves to a bowlful. Just don’t like to eat them. By the way, smoked jowls, in addition to the fatback, are a difference-maker, I’ve been told by ones who know.

  405. RhapsodyInBlue November 23rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Pastrami Sunday. Oh man.

    Tom must drive the neighbors downwind crazy.

  406. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    RIB,
    They all love collards, too!

  407. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    RIB,
    The pastrami recipe I’m going to use: “Preparation time: 511 hours”. It’ll be ready by Christmas, if I cut a corner or two.

  408. RhapsodyInBlue November 23rd, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Tom, Never had it collards but would love to try.

  409. RhapsodyInBlue November 23rd, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Omg, when you said slow I was thinking maybe 10 hours.

  410. RhapsodyInBlue November 23rd, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    And you have to keep the fire going continuously for 511 hours?

  411. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Unfortunately all this talk about spending money on FAs this year is academic and mostly a waste of time if 189 is in.

    A couple weeks ago I posted that I thought the Yanks were ditching 189 this year. I arrived at that conclusion because they gave QOs to players they couldn’t afford under 189 and because of all the buzz about their interest in big ticket FAs. I think I’ve changed my mind. I think their QOs were just calculated risks. They knew they would be declined. And I think all this FA buzz is about Cano and Cano only. It’s designed to pressure him to accept less money by putting out that the Yanks are ready to spend his money on other free agents. And, in the alternative, should Cano take a big offer from someone else, then and only then will they have money to spend on a big ticket FA and some of the groundwork will have been done.

    But right now, talk of Beltran, Grandy, McCann, Perolta, Choo and how much they are asking is just that, idle chatter. Because the Yanks are going to wait out Cano and Tanaka before they spend any money. And after Cano and Tanaka, there will be no money left for a big ticket FA. You only have about $8-10MM past that and you still need a 3b and more importantly, another starting pitcher. And you know they are not spending Arod money until that’s over and you are looking at at least next Spring for that.

    But here’s the real kicker. Suppose Tanaka and Cano don’t play out till January. Not impossible. If the Yanks lose out on both and have an extra $35MM to spend, will there be anything left then to spend it on? You know, with Arod and the waiting, the Yanks could open the season with like $120MM budget. Ain’t that a trip.

  412. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    RIB,
    No, most of the time is spent with the brisket in brine and other stuff, the process used for corned beef. The smoking part only takes 3 or four hours, I’d think. Let you know in December!

  413. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Carrying out this theme a little bit, mostly because of Arod, I can see the Yanks opening the season way under 189. But sometime during the season, Arod’s case will be dismissed (and assuming he has been suspended 100 games or more) the Yanks will have quite a bit of money to spend. I can def seem them being players in one of those salary dump trades. Josh Hamilton??

  414. tucker November 23rd, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    BigDan, you are correct that the QOs were calculated risks. The Yanks knew Cano would reject and had a pretty good idea that Grandy would, too. They would gladly sign Kuroda at that amount.

    I’ve seen no evidence that the Yanks plan to ditch 189. They’ve been working toward this goal before 189 even existed. They won’t abandon it now.

    All this talk about Choo, Beltran, McCann and Peralta is just that — talk. Probably calculated media leaks to appease the fans. See, the Yanks really are going to spend big, now look at our new discounted ticket packages for 2014.

    More likely, they resign Cano and get outbid for Tanaka by the Dodgers. Maybe they can get Chavez and Ibanez back. How about Colon on a one-year deal? Those players seem more realistic for this budget-minded team.

  415. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    In addition, if I’m right about the Yanks sitting out this free agent season because they are waiting out Cano and Tanaka, I do think they should make a move, as soon as possible, for starting pitcher in the $8-10MM range. I think they could afford that even with Cano and Tanaka. Moreover, Tanaka is anything but a given so the Yanks need to move sooner rather than later to fill that 400 inning hole. The better pitchers are going to be gone soon. They are already falling off the board. I hope the Yanks are thinking this way.

  416. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    As it should be: 31-0 Harvard. Now I only need Dartmouth to beat Princeton to be Ivy League champs, are they’re up 7-0 early.

  417. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    tucker November 23rd, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    “BigDan, you are correct that the QOs were calculated risks. The Yanks knew Cano would reject and had a pretty good idea that Grandy would, too. They would gladly sign Kuroda at that amount.”

    Sounds like we’re pretty much in agreement Tucker. But I don’t think they could have afforded Kuroda at the QO while saving money for Cano and Tanaka, but that’s academic now.

    They are going Team Cheap this off season again I believe. Chavez, Colon, Ibanez and Reynolds are all in the mix. But I do think they will try to spend Arod’s money when it frees up so a big salary dump trade next July is quite possible.

  418. Hankflorida November 23rd, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Since the 1930′s starting with Charley Gehringer, I have seen many 2nd basemen play the position. Gerhinger was a great hitter but compared to many who played that position, he was an average fielder. Most 2nd basemen were light hitters but great fielders. Cano can play the position with the best of them and maybe outdo them. One has to see them play when it comes to fielding because stats does not paint the whole picture. Take it from an old timer like myself, DiMaggio had the instincts in center field to get to balls that others failed to get and Cano is in the same category at his position.

  419. mick November 23rd, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    They are going Team Cheap this off season again I believe. Chavez, Colon, Ibanez and Reynolds are all in the mix. But I do think they will try to spend Arod’s money when it frees up so a big salary dump trade next July is quite possible.
    ========
    Which could mean they would afford Cano.

  420. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Here’s one for you blake. Maybe the Yanks are setting themselves up for a big move on Kemp next July? I’d be down with that.

  421. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    mick November 23rd, 2013 at 2:07 pm
    They are going Team Cheap this off season again I believe. Chavez, Colon, Ibanez and Reynolds are all in the mix. But I do think they will try to spend Arod’s money when it frees up so a big salary dump trade next July is quite possible.
    ========
    “Which could mean they would afford Cano”

    Yes, Team Cheap wants Cano. They don’t want to pay him $200MM but they still want him and I guess they would probably go that high if they had to. That money is already budgeted because they have an offer outstanding. For whatever reason, they see him as almost indispensable to the current state of the franchise.

  422. mick November 23rd, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    The Yanks look they are still shopping at Best Buy and George and to some extent Hank are rolling over.
    Hal won the coup.

  423. mick November 23rd, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Yes, Team Cheap wants Cano. They don’t want to pay him $200MM
    ===================
    it all depends if some team wants him more.
    he’s ripe for the pickin’

  424. mick November 23rd, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    if they are asking 300m , it’s a long way down to 200…perhaps they meet in the middle but 250 still sounds too steep.

  425. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    The key again is Arod being suspended at least 100 games. We all knew that going into the off season but figured that money could be spent on McCann or Choo or Beltran or the like. But now, that money most likely won’t be available for this FA class. But it should be there next summer. There will be opportunities then to add an impact bat.

  426. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    mick November 23rd, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    “if they are asking 300m , it’s a long way down to 200…perhaps they meet in the middle but 250 still sounds too steep.”

    I don’t think the Yanks would go much over 200 so I think they are prepared to let him walk. At that point, Beltran and McCann will be in play. They’ll also need a 2b too. But timing is the big question.

  427. tucker November 23rd, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    If the Yanks go on the cheap with Ibanez, Chavez and Colon, look at the bright side. They’d come in under 189 and their first round pick likely would be protected next year. That team would be in the bottom 15 of the league. Then they could shop freely in the 2014-15 offseason.

  428. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    bigdan22 says:
    November 23, 2013 at 2:07 pm
    Here’s one for you blake. Maybe the Yanks are setting themselves up for a big move on Kemp next July? I’d be down with that.

    Problem with that is if Kemp hits .330 in the first half next year he won’t be available anymore…..

  429. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    “If the Yanks go on the cheap with Ibanez, Chavez and Colon, look at the bright side. They’d come in under 189 and their first round pick likely would be protected next year. That team would be in the bottom 15 of the league. Then they could shop freely in the 2014-15 offseason.”

    Id rather do this than put some faux contender out there to be honest…..at least there is a direction in doing that

  430. Hankflorida November 23rd, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    tucker November 23rd, 2013 at 2:28 pm
    If the Yanks go on the cheap with Ibanez, Chavez and Colon, look at the bright side. They’d come in under 189 and their first round pick likely would be protected next year. That team would be in the bottom 15 of the league. Then they could shop freely in the 2014-15 offseason.

    If the Yankees go this route, they may be headed into the “Horace Clarke Era” where it was not a temporary slide but an avalanche which took many years to dig out of. The way of the Yankees is to spend more then their opponents and go for the ring and not as you say, “go on the cheap” which led to the “Horace Clarke Era.”

  431. tucker November 23rd, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    And another thing to consider. Cashman’s contract is up after the upcoming season, correct? They could bring in a new GM with a clean whiteboard. That could be a clean break for a new direction.

  432. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    blake November 23rd, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    “Problem with that is if Kemp hits .330 in the first half next year he won’t be available anymore…..”

    Better odds he’s on the DL. There’s always Josh Hamilton :)

  433. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    tucker November 23rd, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    “And another thing to consider. Cashman’s contract is up after the upcoming season, correct? They could bring in a new GM with a clean whiteboard. That could be a clean break for a new direction.”

    I wouldn’t mind seeing that at all. But they should already be looking now. That article about the Cardinal organization that’s linked at RAB is pretty amazing. Those guys are def state of the art.

  434. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    If the Yanks do go Team Cheap, I hope they at least give some young players a chance. Under no circumstances should Ichiro be starting. Almonte needs at least a platoon shot. Murphy needs a long look. Even Romine. And hopefully there are other candidates as the year progresses who can be promoted. The worst part about last year is that no young players stepped up or got a chance to step up and show something.

  435. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    All’s right with the world. Harvard 34, Yale 7. Harvard’s only loss was by three, in double overtime, to Princeton. Dartmouth beats Princeton today and Harvard and Princeton share the title. Don’t believe I’ve ever said it before, but Go Dartmouth!

  436. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    I think we should all just accept the inevitable and sit back and wait for the blast wave

  437. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    “All’s right with the world. Harvard 34, Yale 7. Harvard’s only loss was by three, in double overtime, to Princeton. Dartmouth beats Princeton today and Harvard and Princeton share the title. Don’t believe I’ve ever said it before, but Go Dartmouth!”

    How many of those schools do you have degrees from Tom?

  438. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    blake,
    Just one, which is why I make a living bussing tables.

  439. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    November 23, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    blake,
    Just one, which is why I make a living bussing tables.

    Nice !

  440. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    tucker said:

    The Yanks had a chance to do this in 2009.The farm was bubbling with quality prospects after Cashman declared that player development was the way to go. They had AJax, Kennedy, Gardner, Mike Dunn, Vizcaino and Montero all as solid prospects. They could have signed Matt Holiday, skipped the Grandy trade and slowly integrated their prospects onto the MLB team. Instead, they chose to trade all those promising young players except Gardner. And they stopped spending over slot in the draft and significantly scaled back IFAs.

    This was their chance to lower payroll and field a championship-caliber team. As the young players developed, they could have moved into starting roles. All you need is 2 or 3 cost-controlled, productive players to make a meaningful dent in payroll. Instead, Hal-led Yankees viewed their prospects as a garage sale that would allow them to acquire talent and avoid the free agent market.
    ////

    Yes.

    This has been precisely my argument, too, as well as others’.

    We were told, by overconfident Cashman and his supporters, that the lineup would basically be fine forever, and that “offensive players are easy to get,” etc.

    I would add the loss of Cabrera to this list as well (for Javy Vazquez’s second Bronx tour) as one that has been highly underestimated; could have really, really used that SH contact bat and relative youth the last couple-four years.

    You have well stated the cumulative hurt that was put on the franchise to bring it to its woeful current state – especially just cutting off the source of youth.

  441. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    The neigbours have sold their house, I hope the new ones like my yard art,…..I’m a bit of an Edward Scissorhands. Oh well, if they don’t, I’ll have Naomi Watts come over to give ‘emm the what for.

  442. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    ….I’ll have to explain the electric chair complete with indigo lights in the front.

  443. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    When the locals beat Yale down here last weekend this place became uninhabitable.

    No square footage to be had, to say nothing of parking space. I had to run and hide.

    Thank God the Tigers are on the road today.

  444. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    mills, Gladys is moving out??

  445. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    No, the other dysfunctional family on the other side.

  446. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Crap, that means she’s going to concentrate even more attention on you than ever. :)

  447. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Maybe, but I’ve passed every by-law inspection thus far.

  448. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    A town full of rich southern Episcopal boys would be a trial, I admit.

  449. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    One of my expensive dreams is to bury a WW2 sub in the back yard; somewhere I can camp out, you know. I can raise the periscope, look around, and decide who I’m going to obliterate today :D

  450. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    jmills,
    go for a 50′s nuke and never buy power again.

  451. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Everybody revved up for the Grey Cup?

  452. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Tom, as always, you’re the voice of reason.

  453. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    jmills,
    Plus, you get missiles. Extend your range.

  454. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    Tom, that’s right, somebody’s got to protect the North Pole.

  455. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Come the trading deadline with the additions proposed they will be well under .500. Hardly buyers.

    Look at the roster. Add trash to it and it is an awful team.

  456. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    First world war, Canada had a noted naval fleet, pivotal subs included. We had the largest per capita soldier involvement in the second horrible world war. Years ago, I went out with this ” beautiful ” new age freak in Vancouver. She didn’t see the point in Remembrance Day any longer. The relationship was a short one, in the words of that Northern Pikes song, ” she ain’t pretty she just looks that way “.

  457. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    http://r4—sn-ux3n588t-mj.....&mv=m

    She ain’t pretty, she just looks that way.

  458. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    jmills,
    The Canadian Navy corvettes out of Halifax were key. Little tin buckets, but they did the job on convoy duty. That woman is a threat.

  459. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Tom, she had a little girl named, if you can believe it, Georgia; I am glad I got away, I hope the kid did ultimately, too.I would have had no problem adopting the little one given the fact my daughter has nothing to do with blood.

  460. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    jmills – you are definately one of a kind (meant as a compliment) :)

  461. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Blake the Heels put 80 points………. in FB :shock:

    The basketball team only scored 82.

    Fedora could have run it up even more, but he did the right thing

  462. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Chicken, thanks mon ami, sometimes I do worry aboot how I look here.

  463. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    The post about the sub still has me laughing!

  464. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    jmills, no, you don’t. And don’t start, please. :)

    On my way.

  465. J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    chicken stanley,

    Shame Spencer (a great gal) once wondered aloud if jmills was a duplicate account.

    I said, ‘no way – no one else here cares about Rogatien Vachon getting to the Hall of Fame and barely anyone else here knows who Derrida is’!

    :D

    Good one, fellas (and gals).

  466. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    jmills,
    If anyone cared how they’d be regarded here, they wouldn’t be here. No place for tender tulips.

  467. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Blake the Heels put 80 points………. in FB

    The basketball team only scored 82.

    Fedora could have run it up even more, but he did the right thing

    —————–

    Good news/bad news on the UVA fb front:

    The good: UVA put up 26 points against Miami (among the most of the season)

    The bad: The Canes put up 45 :)

  468. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 23rd, 2013 at 4:47 pm
    chicken stanley,

    Shame Spencer (a great gal) once wondered aloud if jmills was a duplicate account.

    I said, ‘no way – no one else here cares about Rogatien Vachon getting to the Hall of Fame and barely anyone else here knows who Derrida is’!

    ——————-

    I’m sure duplicate accounts abound but it never ever occured to me that jmills was one! :D

  469. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    ” Tender tulips ” – Tom, that line is yours, and ever so valuable at that!

    Thanks everybody, I guess I’ll stick for a while :D

  470. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Mills-

    You can’t go anywhere w/o my written permission.

    You know that !

    ;)

  471. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Speaking of Shame – If you’re out there, I found a pic you might appreciate. Stewie’s (from Family Guy) alarm clock:

    http://www.bing.com/images/sea.....edIndex=71

  472. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    MTU, I’m honoured, I’m just some random fool out there chasing succulents :D

  473. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    http://r4—sn-ux3n588t-mj.....&mv=m

    Rob Ford The Movie – in case you missed it, this is over the top great.

  474. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Mills-

    I am really surprised that after last season’s nightmare that AA did not get the axe.

    I guess they’ve decided to give him another chance to screw things up.

    :)

  475. pete2 November 23rd, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Being reported on MLBTR the Yankees are on the verge of a long term deal with McCann. No idea how credible it is. I think they probably should have gone after Saltamalachia, but McCann is ok unless he sucks up too much of the available budget. Now that the 1st round pick is history, no obstacle to signing other free agents with a QO. Maybe the Yankees will go for it and scrap 189. We shall see,

  476. exiledintampa November 23rd, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Twitter blowing up with rumors that McCann is about to sign with the Yankees. I wonder what the truth to that is.

  477. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Now just sign Tanaka and call it an off season ;)

  478. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    MTU, double A has promised Seaver my way.

  479. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Chicken, those pics are great, I want those things in me front yard; of course!!!

  480. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Georgia Southern University, from Milledgeville, GA, beats the University of Florida, in Tallahassee, who knows what happens this year?

  481. BD (Boston Dave) November 23rd, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    McCann is worth giving up a pick for – if the $ isn’t outrageous.

    Good for the Yanks if it’s true.

  482. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    RAB reports the Yankees are on the verge of a deal with McCann.

  483. BD (Boston Dave) November 23rd, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    The Yankees and Brian McCann remain in “serious” discussions but are not yet close to a deal, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal said.

  484. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Wow if true on McCann.

    :)

  485. BD (Boston Dave) November 23rd, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    “Rosenthal’s report came just minutes after the Dallas Morning News’ Evan Grant reported the sides were on the verge of an agreement, so there seems to be some conflicting information floating around. Rosenthal said the Yankees have been working on signing the 29-year-old for “some time.” Despite the different reports, both reporters seem to believe the Yankees are pushing hard for the top backstop on the market.”

  486. exiledintampa November 23rd, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Tom it’s Gainsville not Tallahassee. But, Muschamp needs to go.

  487. NYY fan in NH November 23rd, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Great start to the offseason if this is true with McCann. A fiery, offensive backstop in the Posada mold is what this team needs. Another year of the Stewarts would make me sick to my stomach.

  488. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Hope the McCann rumor is true… I think he would help in multiple ways. The only downside – if they sign him, Sanchez could very well become trade bait.

  489. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    I would love for this to be true.

  490. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Austinmac – It seems, from previous posts, that we are fairly well aligned as to what the Yankees should do. The possiblity of this signing really encourages me!

  491. BD (Boston Dave) November 23rd, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    McCann will be 30. Sanchez will be 21 soon. Plenty of time for Sanchez to develop without needing to trade him.

    It’s not the end of the world in Sanchez is a backup in NY for 2 years developing behind McCann. And that’s if he even pans out.

    Yanks can’t assume he does. They can give him time to develop and hope he does without rushing him.

  492. MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Chicken-

    That particular hypothesis would not make JAP very happy.

    I believe he has feared that possibility for quite some time.

    i.e. that Sanchez might be traded.

  493. exiledintampa November 23rd, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    As a Yankee fan with so little to be excited about, boy do I need for this rumor to be true.

  494. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    exiled,
    You’re right of course. FSU is what I was thinking of FSU. But a little state college beating Florida is a big deal, anyway you cut it.

  495. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 5:40 pm
    Chicken-

    That particular hypothesis would not make JAP very happy.

    I believe he has feared that possibility for quite some time.

    i.e. that Sanchez might be traded.
    ————

    I doubt the Yankees are thinking much about Sanchez at all with this signing. At least they shouldn’t be. He’s still a few years off, and he still has a lot to prove. McCann is a quality catcher with pop, a prospect definitely shouldn’t stand in the way of signing him.

    But hey, since we mentioned it… who we trading Sanchez for? :D

  496. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    MTU November 23rd, 2013 at 5:40 pm
    Chicken-

    That particular hypothesis would not make JAP very happy.

    I believe he has feared that possibility for quite some time.

    i.e. that Sanchez might be traded.

    ——————

    I’m sure J. AL wouldn’t and I’m not sure I want it to happen either. Just trying to put my self in the FO’s head.

  497. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    McCann is the right way to start.

    The Yankee way ( who can argue with the success) is to have a strong catcher. Stewie and Cervelli is the polar opposite of that.

    If true good job Cash

  498. exiledintampa November 23rd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Mr. Tom FSU has it’s own problems if Winston gets Arrested for rape, there goes the Hiesman and maybe the BCS championship as well. But ya, the Gators suck this year like it’s 1979.

  499. antisocial scrooge November 23rd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 4m

    Source: McCann close with #Yankees on five-year deal for more than $80M.

    5 years? ehhh

  500. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Chicken,

    We are in agreement. Now, let’s hope this isn’t some premature rumor. Don’t do that to us.

  501. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 4m
    Source: McCann close with #Yankees on five-year deal for more than $80M.
    ——–

    An overpay, but that’s free agency for you. I think we’d all prefer $64/4.

  502. BD (Boston Dave) November 23rd, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    JAP also thought Montero was a 100% lock to be the next Albert Pujols.

    So of course he doesn’t want the Yankees to trade away a young Yadier Molina.

    #prospecthugger #delusional

  503. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    RadioKev – If they sign McCann, then Sanchez possibly becomes an attractive commodity that the Yanks may listen to offers for. They currently don’t have many attractive commodities (we couldn’t even put a package together for Freese). I know I’m putting the horse before the cart here… just thinking out loud

  504. tucker November 23rd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    If they sign McCann and the pick is gone, then it makes sense to push hard for Beltran, too.

    I hope this is not an agent’s ploy to get the Rangers to up their offer.

  505. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 5:47 pm
    RadioKev – If they sign McCann, then Sanchez possibly becomes an attractive commodity that the Yanks may listen to offers for. They currently don’t have many attractive commodities (we couldn’t even put a package together for Freese). I know I’m putting the horse before the cart here… just thinking out loud
    ——–

    Well, he’s still too far away to do anything with now. He’s a full year away from being an actual trade chip, I imagine.

  506. BD (Boston Dave) November 23rd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    5/$80 seems ok in this market.

    See what #5 pitchers are getting and what someone like Ervin Santana might get.

    The 189 limit isn’t really on par with how much $$ teams have to spend. Sucks for Yanks but the going rate for top players is going way up these days

  507. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    can I say one thing..if McCann gets here Cano is out

  508. CountryClub November 23rd, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    I’m fine with 5 years. I was worried they would have to go to 6. Now Sanchez can stay in the minors for a couple more years and when he comes up he can be the backup and learn under McCann as they ease him to the DH spot.

  509. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    5/80 with no opt out and (no) no trade clause would be ok with me.

  510. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    But what are we going to do with Romine!?

  511. antisocial scrooge November 23rd, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Evan Grant ?@Evan_P_Grant 3m

    Am told McCann deal with Yankees will be worth close to $90 million, if not more

  512. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    “But what are we going to do with Romine!?”

    The better question is what are they are going to do with Cervelli.

    I would keep Romine as a BUC over Cervi in a heartbeat.

  513. tucker November 23rd, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Sanchez is no lock for the bigs. He has potential, but his progress the past two seasons has been halting. You don’t worry about given an All-Star caliber offensive catcher five years on the possible hope that Sanchez may one day become a MLB catcher.

    Even if they do sign McCann for five years, he probably won’t be behind the plate much during that fifth year. No need to trade Sanchez. Give him time to develop. If he lives up to the hype, there will be room for him in pinstripes.

  514. Shame Spencer November 23rd, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Wow, is Hal trying to win me back…??

  515. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    JR Murphy to 3B?

  516. Shame Spencer November 23rd, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    @SeverinoMLB: Update: @Evan_P_Grant now reporting McCann deal with #Yankees could be close to or north of $90M

    Woooow..

  517. CountryClub November 23rd, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Even if they do sign McCann for five years, he probably won’t be behind the plate much during that fifth year. No need to trade Sanchez. Give him time to develop. If he lives up to the hype, there will be room for him in pinstripes.

    ———

    Correct. He’s still at least 2 years away. This doesn’t kill Sanchez at all. Send Murphy back to AAA for seasoning and let Romine be the backup next yr.

  518. Shame Spencer November 23rd, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    JR Murphy to 3B?

    ——————

    Playing for another club seems more likely if all this goes down.

  519. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 5:54 pm
    “But what are we going to do with Romine!?”

    The better question is what are they are going to do with Cervelli.

    I would keep Romine as a BUC over Cervi in a heartbeat.

    ———————–

    But we may never have the opportunity to see a “gazoo” (remember the Flintstones) helmet again without Cery. :D

    http://www.bing.com/images/sea.....tedIndex=2

  520. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    is Cano a goner

  521. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Shame Spencer November 23rd, 2013 at 5:58 pm
    RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    JR Murphy to 3B?

    ——————

    Playing for another club seems more likely if all this goes down.
    ———

    Perhaps, I would do it if there was a decent return. If not, I’d flip Romine for an extra part.

  522. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    “JR Murphy to 3B?”

    Murphy has played 22 games at 3b in his professional career. I guess that better than zero games :D

    Honestly I wouldn’t mind them trying some different things, as long as they strengthen their foundation. Signing McCann does that exactly that.

    If this is true Cano knows they are serious.

  523. CountryClub November 23rd, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    @ajcbraves: McCann will hit 35-40 HRs with Yankee Stadium as home ballpark.

  524. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    what is the $ and years for McCann

  525. Shame Spencer November 23rd, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Here was my first thought: if the Yankees aren’t wasting time rushing into an overpay, does this mean we’re more or less likely to keep Cano?

    I wanna believe it means we’re going all in…

  526. Mike in Harrisburg November 23rd, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Love this sign. Love CountryClub’s assessment. Romine’s next year’s backup, Murphy works at AAA either to compete with Romine or build value for a trade. Sanchez continues to develop apace.

  527. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    there are people not on here that should be..I’ll waiting

  528. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Shame Spencer November 23rd, 2013 at 6:04 pm
    Here was my first thought: if the Yankees aren’t wasting time rushing into an overpay, does this mean we’re more or less likely to keep Cano?

    I wanna believe it means we’re going all in…

    ———————————-
    tells me they are out

  529. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    I’d keep Stewie as a backup over Romine. Romine could maybe be a starter for a team. It’s a waste of value to hold onto him and Murphy for a backup catcher, or starter in three years.

  530. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    None of the seers seem to be here at the moment. With a catcher who can catch, hit and piss other people off, he’d be a great acquisition So would AJ, for a lot less money..

  531. charlestonchew November 23rd, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Aggghhhhhh whyyyyyy?! I am really disappointed the Yankees are signing McCann, mainly because I just don’t think he’ll be durable and he’ll end up clogging the corner along with Tex. He’s not that great defensively, either, though he may make the pitching better. People say he’s a leader, so I guess we’ll find out how that dynamic will come to the surface.

    Sigh. Gotta stop signing the guys who are out of shape.

  532. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    “I wanna believe it means we’re going all in…”

    Shame

    Me too. next up will be a COF, and finally Cano.

    Than he can worry about pitching.

  533. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    5/80 is sick money

  534. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    C&P

    The Yankees are in “serious” talks for a deal with top free agent catcher Brian McCann, according to CBSSports.com’s Jon Heyman. Heyman also reports the deal would end up being for over $80 million.

    Previously, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reported that McCann was “on the verge of a long-term deal” with the Yankees, though Heyman and Fox Sports’ Ken Rosenthal both have sources saying nothing is finalized and the talks are merely serious.

    McCann, 29, hit .256/.336/.461 with 13 doubles, 20 homers and 57 RBI in just 102 games last season. He was an All-Star for the seventh time of his career.

    The Yankees, Rangers, Angels and Red Sox (to a lesser degree) have all been reportedly involved in talks with McCann.

  535. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Sigh. Gotta stop signing the guys who are out of shape

    —————–

    Don’t be so hasty… “round” is a shape :)

  536. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    CHicken

    They were not going anywhere without strengthening the C position. This does it in a big way.

  537. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    oops that should have been to Charleston

  538. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    This just in, Jays just signed, Sir J.R. Richards. Read ‘em and weep, baby.

  539. CountryClub November 23rd, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    I think the Yankees are working quick on guys like McCann and Beltran because they want to show cano and even Kuroda that they’re going to be more than competitive next year. Those guys aren’t coming back to a team that’s rebuilding.

  540. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Tar – I agree 100%. If my posts appear otherwise, then I did a poor job explaining my position

  541. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    “5/80 is sick money”

    5 years ago it was sick. Now its par

  542. Mike in Harrisburg November 23rd, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    I was low on McCann coming back off shoulder surgery but he really changed my mind over the course of the season.

  543. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    This just in, Jays just signed, Sir J.R. Richards. Read ‘em and weep, baby
    ——————————————
    I need some mellow music tonight

  544. Mike in Harrisburg November 23rd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Also, great news for Evan Gattis. And his fantasy baseball owners.

  545. tucker November 23rd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Feigns and reporting the deal is done, pending physical. 5 years, $85 million.

  546. blake November 23rd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Happy happy happy!

  547. tucker November 23rd, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Feinsand: 5 years, $85 million. Vesting option for a sixth year would make it 6 years, $100 million.

  548. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    you no what they gave that piece of crap 12 mil..rather have seen 4/60

  549. ac1 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Got McCann!
    That’s big.
    Get the hint Cano, we will move on without you if we have to….

  550. Against All Odds November 23rd, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    is Cano a goner

    —————

    No chance

  551. Against All Odds November 23rd, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Get the hint Cano, we will move on without you if we have to….

    ——————-

    Or overpay for him like they just did with McCann

  552. RhapsodyInBlue November 23rd, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Team El Cheapo forging ahead.

  553. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    goodbye Cervelli..one at at time I’m getting rid of them

  554. Against All Odds November 23rd, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    blake November 23rd, 2013 at 6:14 pm
    Happy happy happy!

    ——————-

    Francesa will make sure to get this news in tomorrow on his Sunday Football show. He’ll tell everyone he was pushing for it.

  555. austinmac November 23rd, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Catcher is a position they desperately needed to upgrade. It may have been their worst. Next, RF, please.

  556. ac1 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    5/85 is average now.
    Could be worse….
    They didn’t have to pay 20M/year….
    Kinda sucks that we may not see Gary Sanchez now unless they bring him up real slow and start moving McCann to 1B as Tex moves to DH or hopefully is traded…..

  557. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Against All Odds November 23rd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    is Cano a goner

    —————

    No chance

    —————————————–
    don’t see how he’s not

  558. ac1 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Or overpay for him like they just did with McCann

    ____

    The way crappy pitchers are raking it in, the best catcher on the market is going to get paid.

  559. Against All Odds November 23rd, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    CountryClub November 23rd, 2013 at 6:12 pm
    I think the Yankees are working quick on guys like McCann and Beltran because they want to show cano and even Kuroda that they’re going to be more than competitive next year. Those guys aren’t coming back to a team that’s rebuilding.

    ———————–

    Exactly it’s a sign that they aren’t using duck tape next yr.

  560. Against All Odds November 23rd, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    ac1 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:19 pm
    Or overpay for him like they just did with McCann

    ____

    The way crappy pitchers are raking it in, the best catcher on the market is going to get paid.

    ———-

    True

  561. ac1 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Onto Kuroda, Tanaka and Cano….
    If not Cano, I agree they will try to trade for Brandon Phillips…

  562. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Catcher is a position they desperately needed to upgrade. It may have been their worst. Next, RF, please.

    ————-

    RF would have been the first postition I addressed, but I’m happy… you know, the whole beggars and choosers thing :)

  563. Against All Odds November 23rd, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:19 pm
    Against All Odds November 23rd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    is Cano a goner

    —————

    No chance

    —————————————–
    don’t see how he’s not

    —————

    Because I’m sure they still have money allocated for him. The only way he isn’t is if he told the Yankees I’m leaving no matter what

  564. exiledintampa November 23rd, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    There are players worth losing the draft pick over and guys that are not. McCann was one worth losing the pick over. Now that that’s not a consideration, who should we go after next with the pick attached?

  565. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    hated Hughes,Joba,Cervelli,Gardner,Youkilis,Chavez,Wells…lets move on

  566. Tar November 23rd, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    “Catcher is a position they desperately needed to upgrade. It may have been their worst. Next, RF, please.”

    Yes sir. But don’t forget Cano

  567. ac1 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees are going to stay with their 189M plan.
    With the A-Rod mess they would have to keep 30M free in case he doesn’t get suspended.
    No way with the contracts they already have they can stay at 159 and get McCann, Cano, Tanaka, Kuroda, and a RF…

  568. RhapsodyInBlue November 23rd, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Thank God no Salty.

  569. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Against All Odds November 23rd, 2013 at 6:21 pm
    joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:19 pm
    Against All Odds November 23rd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    is Cano a goner

    —————

    No chance

    —————————————–
    don’t see how he’s not

    —————

    Because I’m sure they still have money allocated for him. The only way he isn’t is if he told the Yankees I’m leaving no matter what

    ——————————————————-
    to cover their ass they need to get a OFer..if they do can’t see how they sign Cano

  570. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    can we please say goodbye Cervelli

  571. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Joeman – you hated Gardner? Nah, I just don’t buy it. :)

  572. Against All Odds November 23rd, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Hate is a strong word

  573. randy l. November 23rd, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) November 23rd, 2013 at 5:46 pm
    JAP also thought Montero was a 100% lock to be the next Albert Pujols.

    So of course he doesn’t want the Yankees to trade away a young Yadier Molina.

    #prospecthugger #delusional

    BD (Boston Dave) June 22nd, 2013 at 2:25 pm
    World War Z-oilo
    this Yankee team is a little offense away from being a legit contender….
    I know the Yanks should look to add a bat at the deadline and probably won’t (because of Jeter, Tex, Alex, Grandy, Cervelli, etc) but they may not need it. Obviously it’s about mitigating risk and there is plenty of risk… but if a few of those guys come back and play to their averages, this team is pretty darn good.

    #managementstooge #delusional

  574. Against All Odds November 23rd, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    to cover their ass they need to get a OFer..if they do can’t see how they sign Cano

    ——————-

    I still say Cano comes back. Not for what he’s asking but I can’t see him leaving.

  575. ac1 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Wells costs nothing so he will be on the bench.
    Still have Soriano.
    The middle of the lineup with Cano and Tex and McCann, Soriano, etc?
    Pretty good.
    Would like to find a way out of the Ichiro contract though…

  576. exiledintampa November 23rd, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Randy hits it outa the park. LOL

  577. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    who had more 30/100 Tex or Cano

  578. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    ac1 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:27 pm
    Wells costs nothing so he will be on the bench.
    Still have Soriano.
    The middle of the lineup with Cano and Tex and McCann, Soriano, etc?
    Pretty good.
    Would like to find a way out of the Ichiro contract though…

    ———————————
    when did they sign Cano

  579. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Ok this is where we’re at. Either:

    -189 is gone, or

    -Cano is gone, or

    -they are passing on Tanaka

  580. jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/x.....autoplay=1

    Joeman, this quiet one’s for toi!

  581. RhapsodyInBlue November 23rd, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    My pick is that 189 is gone.

  582. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 6:25 pm
    Joeman – you hated Gardner? Nah, I just don’t buy it.
    ——————————–
    I can’t stand the kid..he’s not a smart player

  583. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:31 pm
    Ok this is where we’re at. Either:

    -189 is gone, or

    -Cano is gone, or

    -they are passing on Tanaka
    ————-

    The Yankees have stated they think they could fit two or three free agents this off season and still get under 189, and Tanaka has no bearing on 189, so…

  584. tomingeorgia November 23rd, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Hal is cheap. Yes.

  585. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    jmills November 23rd, 2013 at 6:31 pm
    http://www.youtube.com/embed/x…..autoplay=1

    Joeman, this quiet one’s for toi!

    ———————-
    not working..

  586. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    for me

  587. pkyankfan69 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Yay McCann!!!

  588. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    plain and simple baseball wise Gardner is a box of rocks

  589. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    jmills – great song. Once upon a time, it was Paul O’Neil’s walk up music :)

  590. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN 26m
    Can confirm McCann’s deal is 5 yr/$85M. There’s a vesting option for a 6th year that would make it 6/$100M. 1st reported by @Ken_Rosenthal

  591. bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    bigdan22 November 23rd, 2013 at 6:31 pm
    Ok this is where we’re at. Either:

    -189 is gone, or

    -Cano is gone, or

    -they are passing on Tanaka
    ————-

    “The Yankees have stated they think they could fit two or three free agents this off season and still get under 189, and Tanaka has no bearing on 189, so…”

    Yes he does. Do the math. Tanaka will cost $10-12MM. They have less than $50MM available. With Cano and McCann you are now at about $42MM.

    Oh, one other possibility. They are spending Arod money. The reports have said they won’t do that but those reports could be wrong like I have been :)

  592. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:32 pm
    chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 6:25 pm
    Joeman – you hated Gardner? Nah, I just don’t buy it.
    ——————————–
    I can’t stand the kid..he’s not a smart player

    —————-

    I know you don’t like him, Joeman. Just yanking your chain :)

  593. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Maybe the Yankees resign Grandy, and then go for Tanaka.

  594. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 6:39 pm
    Maybe the Yankees resign Grandy, and then go for Tanaka.

    ————–

    Sounds good to me. If I had my druthers in RF, it would be:

    1. Choo
    2. Grandy
    3. Beltran

  595. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgMSMsKkuZI

  596. RadioKev November 23rd, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    bigdan22,

    Sorry, I meant the posting fee, the bulk of his cost, has no bearing. I see no way that they’re out on Tanaka, why wouldn’t they make the bid? I also don’t see how bidding on Tanaka would preclude our resigning Cano. Essentially I don’t see McCann as the jenga piece that topples over another.

    I think the Yankees have simply made Cano a take it or leave it offer.

  597. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    is McCann a done deal..I’ve been hearing different

  598. joeman November 23rd, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    The deal is pending a physical.

  599. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    RadioKev – You have successfully incorporated “jenga” into a Yankee blog… Kudos! :)

  600. chicken_stanley November 23rd, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Chicken alert —>

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