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Yankees set new expectations with McCann signing

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 25, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian McCann

I’ve said it before: If you want the Yankees to get active, just send me to the grocery store or ship me to some foreign country for vacation. Sure enough, if I’m in a poor position to write at a moment’s notice, that’s when the Yankees will strike. So, it makes sense that I spent last week in Costa Rica while the Yankees reportedly came to terms with Brendan Ryan, made their Rule-5 protection choices, and watched the Alex Rodriguez circus reach a new stage of insanity. And then, of course, they signed Brian McCann.

When news of the McCann deal hit, I got a “Told you” text from one of the other Yankees beat writers. Late in the season, this writer and I discussed the idea of a Yankees-McCann signing. He fully expected the Yankees to sign McCann no matter what. I thought McCann would be more of a fall-back plan if it became clear Robinson Cano was about to sign elsewhere. My response to the “Told you” text was simple: “This team is about to spent $240M isn’t it?” It was my first thought when I heard about the deal. Compared to the other early free agent contracts, this one seems perfectly reasonable, but it also seemed like a move made by a team ready to spend and spend big. It sent a new message to the fan base, to the other free agents, and to the rest of baseball.

The McCann signing is the Yankees first real splash of the offseason, and it changes things quite a bit. A quick look at the immediate impact — the lingering questions and the new expectations — after Saturday’s bombshell signing.

Robinson CanoThe Payroll
It’s the first issue, isn’t it? McCann’s a great hitter, and he fills a position of need, and he seems to be a perfect fit for Yankee Stadium … but what does $85 million mean for the Yankees payroll plans? For the past 12-plus months, the Yankees have created this expectation that they’re looking to cut payroll, and I believe that desire is very real. That said, I also believe the Yankees really enjoy being the Yankees. Their brand is built on being a powerhouse, and as much as fiscal responsibility makes obvious sense, everyone involved has gone out of his way to say $189 million is a “goal not a mandate.” So, the Yankees are going to try to cut payroll, but it might not be possible with this roster and this free agent market. Especially not if Alex Rodriguez is an active player next season. What the McCann contract tells us is this: The Yankees are open for business. They’re not waiting for Robinson Cano, and they’re not focused on the bargain bin. They’re willing to spend, and that means everyone is a real possibility. How long that lasts — how many of these signings they make before the pool runs dry — is impossible to know right now, but the Yankees have sent a pretty strong signal that, for the moment, they have money available. If players want some of it — they’re talking to you, Cano — those player better jump on it right now, because no one knows whether this sort of spending freedom still going to be there in a month. And, if the Yankees ultimately decide to blow past $189 million, the McCann signing certainly suggest they could blow way past it.

The Lineup
Essentially, the Yankees have five starting position players in place. Brett Gardner (in center field) and Derek Jeter (presumably at shortstop, possibly more of a DH) are table-setters, while Mark Teixeira (back at first base), Alfonso Soriano (in left) and McCann (behind the plate) give the Yankees a trio of middle-of-the-order run producers. They are, conveniently, a switch hitter, a right-handed hitter and a left-handed hitter. It’s a good start, and having McCann in place does lessen the at-all-costs need to re-sign Robinson Cano. That said, if the Yankees are able to sign both Cano and one of the top right fielders — Carlos Beltran, Shin-Soo Choo, even Curtis Granderson — they’ll really have a lineup capable of putting up big numbers. Of course, putting that kind of lineup together depends on the Yankees ability to spend beyond the McCann deal. We know they’ll spend more, but how much more? And what about Alex Rodriguez? These are the same questions we’ve been wrestling for the past eight weeks. What we know is this: The McCann signing means the Yankees have a powerful left-handed hitter playing a position that was previous filled by a take-your-pick of light-hitting defensive options. That’s a lineup upgrade, probably the biggest single-position upgrade the Yankees could have made.

Chris StewartThe Roster
McCann’s role is obvious. He immediately moves to the top of the catcher pecking order, and he becomes a legitimate designated hitter on days he needs a bit of a break. That said, it’s been three years since McCann started more than 118 games behind the plate — and the Yankees have very real incentive to make sure their five-year investment stays healthy — so there will be moderate playing time available for a second catcher. Right now, the Yankees have five other catchers on their 40-man (Cervelli, Stewart, Romine, Murphy and Sanchez). That’s a huge number, and it seems all but certain that someone has to go. J.R. Murphy and Gary Sanchez aren’t going anywhere (unless there’s a trade), but Chris Stewart seems to be a strong non-tender candidate. I suppose Francisco Cervelli could be as well, but it seems more likely that Cervelli and Austin Romine will compete for the backup job. Don’t forget that it’s common for an arbitration-eligible player like Cervelli to land a non-guaranteed contract, so if Romine wins that hypothetical roster battle, Cervelli could go away while earning only a fraction of his contract.

The Future
I don’t think this is the end of Gary Sanchez in pinstripes. The kid is 20 years old and he’s played 23 games in Double-A. He’s not ready now, and he won’t be ready for a while. A reasonable expectation for Sanchez probably puts him on the big league roster sometime in 2016. Maybe as a September call-up in 2015, but it’s probably going to be at least two years before he plays any kind of significant role.. In the middle of McCann’s contract — if things go well — the Yankees could transition to Sanchez, and at the end of McCann’s contract, Sanchez could be the regular catcher while McCann plays a sort of catcher/first base/designated hitter hybrid. It’s not unreasonable, which means there’s no need to dump Sanchez. These are catchers we’re talking about. The chances of everything going exactly as hoped with both McCann and Sanchez are slim-to-none. Depth is a good thing, and a 20-year-old minor league catcher doesn’t lose his internal value just because a 29-year-old is signed to a five-year deal. Romine and Murphy are around for immediate depth options, and Peter O’Brien has already begun a transition to third base. The Yankees have catching depth, and they can absolutely trade it away if they want to — if the right piece becomes available, why not? — but there’s no reason to believe this signing puts Sanchez in the must-be-traded category.

The Other Stuff
The Yankees are giving up their top draft pick, but McCann is the kind of player who’s worth that sort of sacrifice. I get that draft picks are exciting, and there are plenty who want to hold onto them at all costs, but I’ve seen a lot of minor league baseball in my career. Draft picks are far greater gambles than 29-year-old all-star catchers. And I honestly believe the Yankees 2013 draft makes this sacrifice a little easier to swallow. It was a pretty solid haul in positions of need, so the Yankees are relatively well-positioned to have a quiet draft in 2014. Draft picks are good and all, but remaining a contender in 2014 basically required a draft sacrifice. Not surprisingly, the Yankees were willing to make that sacrifice. … If Cano re-signs, the Yankees will probably want to split McCann and Cano in the order, right? Put them in the No. 3 and No. 5 spots? Is there any logic to batting them second and fourth? I suppose that depends entirely on who’s playing right field. … McCann has never played first base, and I’m not sure there’s much need for him to learn the position right away. Eventually, maybe, but for now, it just seems the Yankees could have an easier time and take smaller long-term risks by having someone else practice for occasional spot-starts at first base. Don’t take that risk with the new five-year investment. … Still have to fix the rotation. The McCann signing sparks a ton of interest in potential lineup changes, but all the offense in the world might not be enough if the Yankees aren’t going to get some starting pitchers in place. Hiroki Kuroda and Masahiro Tanaka are still pivotal pieces in this Yankees offseason.

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302 Responses to “Yankees set new expectations with McCann signing”

  1. mick November 25th, 2013 at 9:03 am

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  2. brianlopez22 November 25th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Even as a “prospect hugger”, I love this statement:

    “Draft picks are far greater gambles than 29-year-old all-star catchers.”

  3. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    “i think that there are more important things than just if it helps the yankees win more games.
    the process needs to be fair.”

    This whole thing is a farce…..the stunt he pulled the other day ….the habitual lying….this guy swore he’d never use again and asked the public to judge him from 2009 forward then started using again…..spoke to kids about drug use while he was using etc……probably lied to everyone again on the radio the other day just like he did to Katie Couric 5 years ago on national TV…….I get your point and normally I’m all for justice and due process and such but this is a unique case where I just don’t care enough for that to outweigh what it’ll do to the Yankees if he is on their payroll.

  4. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Chad-

    What a terrific and pertinent post. While you were zipping around, above tree lines in Costa Rica, the Yankees were forging full steam ahead!

  5. AAA November 25th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    this guy swore he’d never use again and asked the public to judge him from 2009 forward then started using again

    ==============================

    These are not exactly facts in evidence that you’re citing here, Blake.

  6. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    “Color me ignorant but with signing McCann, Cano, Beltran and Tanaka, how does Hal get under $189M?
    Also, doesn’t bringing in several older players, Tanaka excluded, move away from the youth movement?”

    it’s impossible unless they spend Arod’s money…..basically all they have room for now is Cano unless they dip into the Arod money.

    Cano,Beltran, and Tanaka should cost around 50 million total…..they only have like 27 left to spend not counting the 30+million owed Alex.

    If they spend that money then they have closer to 60 to spend and could probably fit those 3 plus a little more under the cap.

  7. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Cano,Beltran, and Tanaka should cost around 50 million total…..they only have like 27 left to spend not counting the 30+million owed Alex.

    ——————–

    Ahh but is there room for Infante lol? :D

    Buck $189!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    “These are not exactly facts in evidence that you’re citing here, Blake.”

    if he used PEDs again how is it not fact? Now the evidence isn’t out of course so if he’s completely innocent then I’ll take it all back…..but that’s tough to believe for me.

  9. mick November 25th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    blake:

    you and i are typical yankee fans.
    don’t let the naysayers bring you down.
    their mission in life is just that.
    to bring others down.
    or associate ONLY with those that agree with them.
    while maintaining an aura of openmindedness.
    express your joy, don’t postpone it.

  10. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    If Infante could play 3rd then they absoutely should consider him…..I’d rather have Drew though cause he can play SS….Intante can but really only in a pinch. Ideally I’d like to trade for a SS……maybe Cash can call up his old buddy KT and work out something for one of his

  11. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Blake-

    Your math is pretty much on target, from all the postings you and others did. If they sign Cano, Beltran and Tanaka, even if ARod is suspended the entire year, there are still holes to fill, namely 200 more starting pitcher innings needed, lefty in the pen, bench, midseason additions, etc.

    If we see both Kuroda and Beltran signed very soon, as is rumored, then they are exceeding the LT threshold. Just an opinion!

  12. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    mick,
    hey I call uhm like I see them whether people agree with me or not……sometimes I agree with people and sometimes I don’t but you’re always gonna get my honest and attempted to be unbiased opinion. (I’m biased sometimes without even realizing it but I try not to be).

  13. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    getting a young and cost controlled SS somewhere would really fix 2 problems at once because you could move Jeter to 3B and then focus all the rest of the money on the outfield and pitching.

    That’s what Cash should be exploring if at all possible……because they just don’t have enough money Arod or no Arod to fill all the holes they have under the 189 limit…..now some believe that the McCann signing signifies that 189 is out the window……I don’t buy that yet

  14. mick November 25th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    blake i know this is true about you and commend it.
    just ignore the naysayers as they are looking to bring you down. ;)

  15. mick November 25th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    they should sign infante today as he can hit and play 2b, ss and 3b.
    this would wake up cano
    and be insurance for him and jeter.
    he could also start at 3rd.

  16. AAA November 25th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    if he used PEDs again how is it not fact?

    ======================

    Mostly because of the word “if”.

  17. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    If some fans would rather have justice for Arod than the 30+ million to spend then that’s their right…..I don’t feel that way so I’m not even gonna pretend I do. I’m so sick of the whole mess that I just want him gone and I want that money to spend on somebody(s) else.

  18. MTU November 25th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    I’m all for signing Infante.

    Makes a ton of sense.

    He only made 4 mil last year.

  19. mick November 25th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    anybody who believes a word arod says is a chump.
    if he says it, it’s a lie.
    i hope they have the proof they say mlb doesn’t have.
    but he did say it, so it’s a lie and i am confident they have it.

  20. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    “Mostly because of the word “if””

    do you think he’s innocent? Do you think that all the other biogenesis guys would have just waved the white flag and not fought the charges if there wasn’t a lot of truth to them? Do you think the MLB just made all this up? I don’t……yes we don’t know anything for certain but I feel pretty good about saying that Alex has used PEDs again…..way to much smoke for there not to be some fire somewhere.

  21. mick November 25th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    MTU

    I would rather see them win it at the 189 than to overspend as in the past.
    as if that was why they won. it wasn’t.

  22. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    I’ll say it again. If they sign both Beltran and Kuroda soon, as has been rumored, they are blowing past the LT threshold, and making a case for us to hop on the Team Greedy bus once again. :)

    Right Shame?

  23. MTU November 25th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    “The Yankees are trying to schedule a meeting with Robinson Cano, but the two sides are still about $150MM apart, and the Yankees are looking at other targets in the meantime, CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman writes. Those include Carlos Beltran, Jacoby Ellsbury, Shin-Soo Choo, Stephen Drew and Hiroki Kuroda. Other possibilities for the Yankees include Joe Nathan and Masahiro Tanaka. The Yanks don’t want to give Beltran more than two years, although it’s possible that the Mariners or Royals could give him three. Ubaldo Jimenez and Matt Garza aren’t currently on the Yankees’ radar, Heyman notes. Here are more notes from New York.”

    MLBTR

  24. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    I’m filling up the gas tank of the Team Greedy bus as we speak.

    ALLLLL ABOARD!!!!!

    And let us not forget, if this team is made better it was because of one thing and one thing only: Spending money.

    MONEY is what makes this team good.

  25. AAA November 25th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    do you think he’s innocent? Do you think that all the other biogenesis guys would have just waved the white flag and not fought the charges if there wasn’t a lot of truth to them? Do you think the MLB just made all this up?

    ================================

    No. I believe he probably should get a 50 game rip. I believe he’s a serial liar. Just sayin’ right now, the absence of a failed test leaves us with no evidence of use. Did he use and beat the testing? Quite possibly, sure.

  26. MTU November 25th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Mick-

    I don’t think they can do all of the things we’d like and stay under 189.

    But if they can more power to them.

    ;)

  27. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    MTU-

    Good morning. I read that. How’s the pup doing this morning? Did he have the procedure yet?

  28. AAA November 25th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    “The Yankees are trying to schedule a meeting with Robinson Cano, but the two sides are still about $150MM apart

    ========================

    Yowsah!

  29. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    So let’s not all get a complex over it.. let’s just embrace it.

    In fact, let’s roll around in money and just feel good.

    Get that money static going.

  30. mick November 25th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    I don’t think they can do all of the things we’d like and stay under 189.
    =====================
    No doubt they are counting on arods money to help but we shall see.
    If they have to cut wells to stay under , better yet, trade him away then do it ;)

  31. Wave Your Hat November 25th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Assuming the Yanks do have a budget I hope they don’t sign Joe Nathan. They have more pressing needs.

  32. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    I posed this question yesterday: if Horowitz gives Alex a 50 game suspension, does that effectively call his bluff on his pursuit of a federal case?

    I think it does. I think anyone that advises him not to take a suspension like that would be insane. But he’d have to eat it and essentially admit guilt if he took it. MLB would get the admission they so desperately seek, however.

  33. mick November 25th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Arod will take 50 games but it would have cost him mucho money.
    Point to Selig.

  34. Wave Your Hat November 25th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Shame,

    I don’t agree. The MLB arbitration and the court proceeding are basically unconnected.

  35. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    “I posed this question yesterday: if Horowitz gives Alex a 50 game suspension, does that effectively call his bluff on his pursuit of a federal case?”

    has to…..I think if he does that it’ll all be over and Alex really has nowhere to go…..it’d make MLB look ridiculous though.

  36. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Shame-

    Would he have to admit guilt? He could just say he wants to play baseball again as soon as possible and he’s tired about the entire process. He can reiterate that he sought out Bosch for advice about mlb legal supplements. Fifty games will get him back on the field late May or early June.

  37. AAA November 25th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    I posed this question yesterday: if Horowitz gives Alex a 50 game suspension, does that effectively call his bluff on his pursuit of a federal case?

    =================================

    I would think so, but with him and his legal team you never know. He’d be absolutely nuts not to take the 50 and run though.

  38. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    “I don’t agree. The MLB arbitration and the court proceeding are basically unconnected.”

    not really because the only way a court is going to take the case is if Arod’s team can prove that he was treated exceedingly unfair……if the result of the arb hearing is that the suspension was slashed from 211 to 50 games and basically the same as everyone else involved in biogensises then how will his team convince a federal court to do anything?

  39. UpState November 25th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Infante’s played just a bit over 100 games at 3b…
    I feel he can handle it.

    The reality – Jeter says if he playes 3b or not …not the NYY.

    If we keep all our catchers – where will each of them start out ? (ML – AAA- AA….)

    The Cubs had/have alot of ‘upcoming’ 3b prospects (Olt….etc…) like we have catchers…may be interesting for the FO to explore.

    (may uncover something else while digging around with the ‘boy genius)

  40. AAA November 25th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    it’d make MLB look ridiculous though.

    ====================

    To be honest Blake, I think that horse has already left the barn.

  41. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    The bigger question is, if he does come back sooner than later, and gets off to a very slow start, and is benched by Girardi, will that disrupt the Yankee clubhouse?

  42. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    if Horowitz rules 50 games then Alex will release a statment saying he’s still innocent but that he’s going to accept the penalty just to wash his hands of this mess and move on…..then he’ll say some garbage about wanting to get back with his brothers in the clubhouse or whatever…..he’ll take that and run IMO.

  43. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    “To be honest Blake, I think that horse has already left the barn.”

    yes but not officially…..if he slashes the suspension all the way down to 50 games bud will be skewered……

  44. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    MLB would look ridiculous but both parties do at this point.

    And like Trader says it wouldn’t necessarily mean an admission of guilt in the traditional sense but he’d be considered guilty by the public – though I’m not sure that matters much.

    WYH – I mean.. kinda I guess. But MLB elects the arbitrators.. the lines are blurry, IMO. As far as I’m concerned the arb process represents what is in the best interest of baseball.

  45. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    I think if they give him 50-65 games, both sides leave with egg on their face and should just call it a draw.

    The history books will show that MLB got the suspension.

  46. MTU November 25th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    YT-

    No. We are heading over soon for a follow up.

    If the Vet says the eye must come out then it will either be done today or tomorrow.

    Thanks for your concern.

  47. Wave Your Hat November 25th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Blake-

    I meant they are unconnected because ARod will have to take any suspension the arbitrator gives him in the absence of an injunction or affirmative ruling from the court. And because of the difficult hurdle he faces in overturning an arbitrators decision, he can continue to assert innocence notated what the court decides.

  48. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Arod’s team seems to think they lost the hearing pretty badly…..that could have just been a ploy though to try and pressure Horwitz. I can’t see him reducing it all the way down to 50……..I could see 100-150.

  49. MTU November 25th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Mick-

    Wells is basically free. Cutting him lose saves nothing but a roster spot.

    Ichiro is 6.5 mil

    ;)

  50. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Wave,
    right but I think it’ll be even harder for him to get an injunction if they actually reduce the penalty……I think Arod’s crew may have thrown a hail mary actually hoping that Horwitz would rule the whole 211 games because that might be easier to pitch to a court to take the case.

  51. AAA November 25th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Arod’s team seems to think they lost the hearing pretty badly

    =====================

    You think? Sounds like the barely presented a case. When the defense rests without presenting a case, it’s not usually because they feel bad about it.

  52. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    boy Peyton looked like Johnny Damon throwing balls in that wind last night.

  53. blake November 25th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    “You think? Sounds like the barely presented a case. When the defense rests without presenting a case, it’s not usually because they feel bad about it.”

    well it sounds like they think they are going to lose….because all they have talked about was trying to take it to a “real jurisdiction”. I mean if they thought things were going well in the arbitration hearing then why not just let that play out?

  54. Doreen November 25th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Welcome back, Chad. Hope you really did enjoy your vacation. :)

    Though some people are saying they think that perhaps the McCann signing shows the Yankees are convinced ARod will get a substantial suspension, I think you could easily look at it the other way. If they think the suspension will be reduced to, say, 65 to 100 games, perhaps they are acknowledging that they won’t be able to stay under 189 after all, it was worth the try, but now, let’s just do what we usually do, since we’re not getting that assist.

    It would have been great if it all worked out best case scenario, yadda yadda – resetting the LT was not a bad idea generally. But there has so far been only worst case scenarios occurring, so their best way to fight the LT is simply to keep as close to 189 as possible, but on the overage side. Sure, they still have a high tax rate, but they can still go over while still keeping an eye on keeping the actual tax money at a minimum.

  55. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    It certainly would help, not only the Yankees, but the free agents hoping to get the Yankees interested to boost their chances at a better contract, if Bud Selig informed Horowitz that he’ll come to NY for one day to face ARod and his lawyers, so that the entire process can wrap up more quickly. If it gets to the courts, won’t he be deposed anyway?

  56. MTU November 25th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    There are a lot of very interesting possibilities out there.

    And if the Yankees are creative and have money to spend who knows who might be coming our way.

    When you dream always dream big.

    ;)

  57. MTU November 25th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    OF :

    Grandy, Beltran, Ellsbury, Choo, Kemp

    SS/3B :

    Gregorius/Owings, Infante, Castro

    Closers:

    Nathan, Balfour

    :)

  58. blake November 25th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    if they could trade for somebody like Gregorious or Owings then suddenly things get a lot more simple with regards to how to fill the holes in the roster.

    The left side of the infield would be pretty much solved at least on paper and then you can focus the rest of the money on the outfield and rotation. I think they are only gonna be able to fit one starter under the cap…..Hard to see how they can sign Kuroda and Tanaka plus Cano and fit under 189….even spending Arod’s money that’ll be tough.

  59. MTU November 25th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Blake-

    They have to have Hiroki and Masahiro.

    ;)

  60. AAA November 25th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Don’t see Kemp being moved at all. Big problem with high risk/high reward guys is that the seller wants to exact the reward price and buyers want to pay the risk price. Tends to lead to no meeting of the minds. He’s likely going nowhere, IMO. I think it ends up being Ethier who goes.

  61. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    We’ll I think we’ll know fairly soon[Beltran and Kuroda decisions], if the Yankees are exceeding the 189M threshold. If they go over it, for instance, by 10M, it costs them 15M, peanuts. They’ll make that back from an increase in preseason ticket sales. Yes of course, they’ll lose out on any return of revenue sharing, but the decrease in attendance since they moved into the new YS, and especially the drop of 3000+/game this past season has to be of concern to the Yankees and their value.

  62. joeman November 25th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Tanaka will not happen

  63. blake November 25th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    MTU,
    they can’t fit them both IMO unless they don’t sign Cano or they don’t address the outfield.

    Cano (25) + Kuroda (15) + Tanaka (12ish)…..that’s 52 million….that puts them very close to the liimit even if they spend all of Arod’s money…..and they’d have no outfield help and no infield help. Hey maybe they’ll blow past 189 and it won’t matter but I see no real way they can get Tanaka and Kuroda both under the cap.

  64. MTU November 25th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Blake-

    Steve said that the D’backs want young starters and relief pitchers.

    Towers and Cash are buds, and Towers knows our system.

    They have Duncan in tow who is very good at fixing birds w broken wings.

    Towers was very enamored of Betances.

    So Phelps/Warren + Betances and Claiborne/Whitley/Mongomery might = Gregorious or Owings

    ;)

  65. blake November 25th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    I think the Dodgers are gonna get Tanaka still anyway……could see the Yanks signing Kuroda back and maybe Feldman or something for the back end.

    Cano, Beltran, Kuroda, and Feldman might fit under the cap…..it’d be close…..

  66. joeman November 25th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Cano will cost more that 25 per

  67. wanzies222 November 25th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    MTU -

    Actually D’backs want a young backup C and live arms for their bullpen. Their rotation is overstocked.

  68. MTU November 25th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Blake-

    Then we NEED to go over.

    We must have both.

    Anyway, I’m off to the Vet.

    catch you later.

  69. blake November 25th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    MTU,
    would you trade Drob for a good young SS? I might.

  70. blake November 25th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    “Cano will cost more that 25 per”

    I think the AAV will be around that 25….the years is the big question.

  71. MTU November 25th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    OK Steve.

    Then Romine/Murphy/Cervelli + the relievers I mentioned.

    Sorry I missed on the paraphrase.

    Later.

  72. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    They said the posting situation should be sorted out by mid-December which is only a few weeks out… I just want some clarity on the process (and I’m sure so does everyone else).

  73. blake November 25th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Hey we have young back up catchers and relief pitchers in spades…..ship whoever of them off for a SS.

  74. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Good luck, MTU!

  75. joeman November 25th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    hearing if the Cubs trade Jeff Samardzija they will go get Tanaka

  76. blake November 25th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    can Owings play SS long term? I just don’t know all that much about him

  77. joeman November 25th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    still say DRob is their best trade piece

  78. blake November 25th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Owings hit .330 in the PCL last year.

  79. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    If they sign Beltran and Kuroda soon this is the possible roster so far:

    OF: Soriano, Gardner, Beltran, Ichiro, Almonte, with Wells cut

    IF: Teixeira, Jeter, Ryan

    C: McCann and Cervelli/Romine/Murphy

    Need 3 more to fill out the 13 spots:

    Pitching:
    Sabathia
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Phelps/Warren
    Pineda
    Claiborne
    Kelley
    Robertson

    Need three more pitchers, if they carry 12 , and if only one of Phelps and Warren is carried on the 25.-Starter, lefty bullpen, and one more-closer?

    Did I miss anyone?

  80. Ys Guy November 25th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    hey all! glad to see mccann in pinstripes, he’s really gonna help. the contract is another thing, the last 2 years of it are probably going to look ugly. but for now, its great.

    i disagree with chad’s suggestion that this may portend the yankees blowing past $189. i think the yankees aim now to stay under 189 if arod is suspended and go over if he’s not. its just my hunch, but that’s where i think they are now.

    i think its also possible that they put tanaka in a class where if they can get him, its worth going over the 189 because of the potential long-term impact.

    at least i hope this is where their heads are at now. we’ll see over the next 6 weeks or so.

    for now, welcom brian mccann!

  81. Tackelberry November 25th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Now that the Giants’s seaon is all but over, how many days til pitchers and catchers?

  82. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    sorry they would need 4 more pitchers if only one of Phelps or Warren make the 25 man roster.

  83. wanzies222 November 25th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    blake -

    Owings would be a plus defensive SS and likely a .275 ish hitter, which is plus plus for a SS.

  84. wanzies222 November 25th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    blake -

    FYI.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/fanta.....situation/

  85. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Is it clear the one of Gregorious or Owings might be available. What if they move Prado back to LF to make room for both at SS and third?

  86. UpState November 25th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Arizona / Kevin Towers

    Didi & Owings article.

    AZ also has the Davidson kid…

    Should be something here we may be able to workout….

    We have catchers & Nunez….and alot of RP

    http://www.azcentral.com/sport…..backs.html

    (retry)

  87. wanzies222 November 25th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    YT -

    They could move Prado, but they would like a masher at either 3B or LF.

  88. UpState November 25th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    …other Didi & Owings article :

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl…..y=news_mlb

  89. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    wanzies-

    Thanks for the article. Like UpState just said, what about Matt Davidson for 3rd?

  90. wanzies222 November 25th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    FWIW, Montero is awful vs. RHP, so someone like a Cervelli/Romaine would work for them, particularly from a cost standpoint.

  91. wanzies222 November 25th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    YT -

    I suppose if the NYY included enough arms, they might do a 2 for 4 or something like that. Probably takes Cervelli/Claiborne/Betances.

  92. UpState November 25th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    4-things-Brian-McCann-brings-to-the-Yankees

    …also has a bit of the Jason Giambi look to him…

    http://wapc.mlb.com/cutfour/20.....he-yankees

  93. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Carlos Santana, the Indians catcher is taking ground balls at third in winter ball. With Yan Gomes as the backup catcher, could the Indians be fielding offers for third baseman, 24 yo lefty, Lonnie Chisenhall?

    I don’t know enough about the young third baseman or shortstops that might be available, and if so, be a realistic trade partner with the Yankees.

  94. BIG AL November 25th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    mick November 25th, 2013 at 9:30 am
    anybody who believes a word arod says is a chump.
    if he says it, it’s a lie.
    i hope they have the proof they say mlb doesn’t have.
    but he did say it, so it’s a lie and i am confident they have it.

    *******************************************
    I guess that makes Mariano a chump in your mind, since Mariano stated he believes A-Rod when he says he hasn’t used PEDS as a NYY.

  95. NYY fan in NH November 25th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Tell me this. How can you have a youth movement if your prospects haven’t proven able to handle MLB and haven’t progressed? It just doesn’t work until these guys in the minors start proving they are worth a spot on the Yankees roster. Either you trust them or you go out and get players.

  96. blake November 25th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    “Owings would be a plus defensive SS and likely a .275 ish hitter, which is plus plus for a SS.”

    hey where do I sign up Jack

  97. BIG AL November 25th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I love Cano, but, he is not Miggy, and IMO, not worth more than $22-$23M for 6 years max. If he wants more money and years, let him go, and be another teams problem in 4 or 5 years from now.

  98. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Yankees are spending A-Rod’s salary on McCann+?. They know A-Rod did a Rhett Butler at his Hearing, “Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn”, and is gone for the 2014 season. Thinking the Yanks are going on a spending spree like George used to do ain’t happenin’. Like it or not, Al wel Yankee fans live in Hal’s World now, and we better get used to it. “$189 OR BUST”

  99. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Have to go.

    Have a great day.

  100. UpState November 25th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    NYY fan in NH November 25th, 2013 at 10:49 am
    Tell me this. How can you have a youth movement if your prospects haven’t proven able to handle MLB and haven’t progressed? It just doesn’t work until these guys in the minors start proving they are worth a spot on the Yankees roster. Either you trust them or you go out and get players.

    —————————–

    Package a few of them up for trade for something the NYY’s actually need….our prospects may be worth a spot on other rosters/organizations !

    Hopefully – that’s exactly what Cashman & Co. are doing right now !

  101. blake November 25th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst 37m
    #Yankees have used 9 catchers since 2010. They combined for 61 HR. Brian McCann since 2010 all by himself: 85 HR (in 154 fewer games)

    most of the homers from those 9 catchers currently plays for the Pirates too…..

  102. ac1 November 25th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    I do hope we get Infante too….
    1. He fills a need
    2. It will show Cano we are serious about moving on….

  103. BIG AL November 25th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Later – You folks have a great day!

  104. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    blake November 25th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst 37m
    #Yankees have used 9 catchers since 2010. They combined for 61 HR. Brian McCann since 2010 all by himself: 85 HR (in 154 fewer games)

    most of the homers from those 9 catchers currently plays for the Pirates too…..

    ———————

    It really is a huge upgrade… last year was the result of a gross level of chutzpah on the part of the FO, assuming they could go a full season without a true starting catcher and still win.

  105. ac1 November 25th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Package a few of them up for trade for something the NYY’s actually need….our prospects may be worth a spot on other rosters/organizations !

    ____

    Would LOVE to get Kemp from LA.
    I realize he is an injury risk, but he is a beast.

  106. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    I’m starting to think Cano + McCann + Beltran + Kuroda + Tanaka + Balfour

    Is there any way possible that all fits under?

  107. blake November 25th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    “I’m starting to think Cano + McCann + Beltran + Kuroda + Tanaka + Balfour

    Is there any way possible that all fits under?”

    even if they spend all of Arod’s money……no way.

    Cano (25), Mccann (17), Beltran (15), Kuroda (15), Tanaka (12), Balfour (10).

    those are guesstimates but that’s 94 million and they only had 80ish to spend with Arod suspended all season.

  108. ac1 November 25th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    i already love McCann.
    Signed quickly and didn’t BS for months and ask for 100M more than he is worth.

  109. blake November 25th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Kemp! Kemp ! Kemp!

    they need a RH bat to pair with Cano and McCann.

  110. ac1 November 25th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Take Balfour out of there.
    The Yankees will not spend money on the pen unless they absolutely have to….
    Robertson and Kelley can both close if necessary.

  111. ac1 November 25th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    they need a RH bat to pair with Cano and McCann.

    ____

    And Soriano?

  112. UpState November 25th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    ac1 November 25th, 2013 at 11:01 am
    Package a few of them up for trade for something the NYY’s actually need….our prospects may be worth a spot on other rosters/organizations !

    ____

    Would LOVE to get Kemp from LA.
    I realize he is an injury risk, but he is a beast.
    ===========================

    If we’re talking to LA…and the Kemp option isn’t going well – they gotta go after the Corey Seager kid !

  113. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Cano (25), Mccann (17), Beltran (15), Kuroda (15), Tanaka (12)

    I think it’s possible.

    And if Beltran won’t sign at 15, maybe Granderson is more likely.

    It’s possible the only 2 additions will be McCann and Tanaka plus a trade for a cheap 3B

  114. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    The pen was a little shaky at the end of the year but I do trust Girardi there.. I still don’t understand the overuse of Chamberlain in key spots, but I’m gonna pretend last year never happened so that should go a long way to improving in 2014.

  115. ac1 November 25th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    The ideal lineup:

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Cano
    Soriano dh/lf
    McCann
    Tex
    Kemp dh/LF
    Infante 3b
    Ichiro RF

    BEcause with all of that, I don’t see us getting Beltran (If we were to get Kemp).

  116. ac1 November 25th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    They need to go all in on Tanaka
    I mean 65M bid to make sure they win.
    And get Kuroda back

    CC/Kuroda/Nova/Tanaka/Pineda and any of Phelps/Warren/Nunoand hopefully Banuelos at some point

  117. Ys Guy November 25th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    banuelos is a RP now. he seemingly made the transition well. they’re not going to go back on that now.

  118. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    It’s possible the only 2 additions will be McCann and Tanaka plus a trade for a cheap 3B

    —————-

    I think we just need to keep in mind that a trade opens up another hole. Only Gardner or Nova are trade chips really, and if you move either you need to find a replacement.

  119. Ys Guy November 25th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    can i take that back, i was thinking of betances.

    pre-coffee brain cramp

  120. ac1 November 25th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    banuelos is a RP now. he seemingly made the transition well. they’re not going to go back on that now.

    ___

    You mean Betances.
    Banuelos is our #1 lefty starter.

  121. blake November 25th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    “i already love McCann.
    Signed quickly and didn’t BS for months and ask for 100M more than he is worth.”

    Yankee fans are gonna love him…..he’s like a redneck Posada. No nonsense…..can hit…..leader.

  122. jacksquat November 25th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Banuelos is not a relief pitcher.

  123. UpState November 25th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    They need to go all in on Tanaka.
    ================================

    The NYY arent going to get a top 10 draft pick – so this has to be it.

    They will continue to miss the top studs – and this is one way to secure that type of talent…

    I assume that if Tanaka were in the draft he’d go in the top 3

    (depending on specific needs of drafting teams)

  124. ac1 November 25th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Yankee fans are gonna love him…..he’s like a redneck Posada. No nonsense…..can hit…..leader.

    ___

    Loved Posada’s atitude.

    So sick of these guys that don’t care.

    I like watching Posada yell, or O’Neill hit the cooler…

  125. UpState November 25th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    C’mon guys … Nunez is a trade chip, too !

    Big time !

    (so many have loved him right here on this blog)

  126. blake November 25th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Kuroda’s finish to 2013 does concern me…..I’d rather have Tanaka if i’m choosing between the 2 because he’ll be cheaper in AAV and he’s 13 years younger.

  127. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    blake – It’s funny you say that because I was having this conversation with a friend yesterday and we both agreed while we know we’ll love McCann’s attitude I’m sure there will be some that have gotten used to these gentlemanly Yankees that might find the guy to be a bit of a brute.

    Those will be fun debates on LoHud lol.

  128. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Yanks should be focusing on plugging the 3B hole. With Freese gone, I would hit the Astros up about Matt Dominquez. Yeah, defensive issues, but this is a Very tough position to fill, and the guy does have Power.

  129. jacksquat November 25th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    The team needs an Enforcer.

  130. ac1 November 25th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Yanks should be focusing on plugging the 3B hole. With Freese gone, I would hit the Astros up about Matt Dominquez. Yeah, defensive issues, but this is a Very tough position to fill, and the guy does have Power.

    ___

    I am assuming the Yankees already talked to Infante.

  131. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    I prefer power out of the corners. Infante would suffice, but If given my choice, I would go with Dominguez and his potential going forward.

  132. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    I prefer power out of the corners. Infante would suffice, but If given my choice, I would go with Dominguez and his potential going forward.

    ——————–

    If they actually get power from the DH position, the lack of power might not be a huge issue.

    I feel like our DH production over the past couple of years has been well below average. If they had a Beltran type that you knew was going to be slugging and hitting .300, you could probably live with limited offense at 3B (this assumes you keep Cano).

  133. blake November 25th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    “blake – It’s funny you say that because I was having this conversation with a friend yesterday and we both agreed while we know we’ll love McCann’s attitude I’m sure there will be some that have gotten used to these gentlemanly Yankees that might find the guy to be a bit of a brute.”

    they need some fire and attitude no question.

  134. UpState November 25th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Oh no !

    Nowadays – McCann’s ‘attitude’ will probably be labeled as……

    ….. a ‘bully’….

    All the PC’s will be out in force !

    Off to jail for McCann.

  135. blake November 25th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Mike Axisa ?@mikeaxisa 1m
    Like Beltran, he does give me a Randy Johnson vibe. Right player, only nine years too late.

    totally agree….

  136. blake November 25th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    “According to Feinsand, the Yankees believe that even with McCann on the books, they can afford to retain Cano and sign Beltran while staying under the luxury tax threshold. The Yankees currently have offers on the table to three or four free agents, an official told Feinsand.”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

    they can’t without spending the Arod money…..math doesn’t lie. They also would need to spend more of the Arod money to address the rotation.

    The Yanks are gonna gamble on that suspension length it seems like……

  137. yankeefeminista November 25th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Like I said last night, Yanks will end up giving Beltran the 3rd year. Groan.

  138. yankeefeminista November 25th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    …and I am a Beltran fan… but…

  139. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    They’re either gambling on the suspension or have plans to move money off the books.

  140. Shame Spencer November 25th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    :arrow:

  141. BD (Boston Dave) November 25th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Yanks need to make sure they have a competent bench of guys who can be super utility guys.

    They will really need to give guys rest days.

    Infante would be awesome but too much $ if they keep Cano.

    I really wonder how much another team is willing to give Robbie. I just can’t see him getting an 8 year offer and $200M from any other team but who knows.

    I still say, offer a 7/$175M with vesting option for 8th year based on games played. Give him a few weeks to decide, then move on if he doesn’t accept. Screw it. They can get a combo of Infante, Choo, Beltran, etc.

    Don’t let Cano rake you over the coals. Jay-Z is playing with fire right now and he can afford to but if the Yanks are out of the bidding he could cost Cano bigtime.

    Jay Z can’t afford to screw this up. He needs the Yankees as much or more than they need he and Cano.

  142. Dill Pickler November 25th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Anyone who’s been paying attention to what Hal and the f.o. have been saying for months now should have figured out that they are going to spend, because they have to spend to contend. After a 7 percent drop in attendance and a huge drop in ratings, they know their dumpster diving lineup didn’t cut it with fans. Yankee fans expect a real contending team, not a team full of replacement-level rejects, and the team actually lost more money by missing the playoffs than they did in luxury tax payments this past year. So all indications are that the $189 plan has been scrapped, thank God. It had to be scrapped, because the farm system has nothing to offer in the way of impact players and won’t for at least 2 years. My prediction: they’re going to resign Cano, sign Beltran, resign Kuroda (or try very hard), and go very hard after Tanaka. They’ll sign a relatively cheap dh (think Ibanez, someone who is a legit power threat) and pick up a solid 3rd baseman, which is fine. Whoever it is will be batting 9th. So you’re looking at a lineup of:

    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Beltran RF
    McCann C
    Soriano LF
    Tex 1B
    ???? DH
    ???? 3B

    That’s a lineup that can win the World Series next year, and if they get both Tanaka and Kuroda, they might have a rotation that’s good enough too. At any rate, it’s a huge improvement over the disaster that was 2013.

    One other thing: Unless you’re going to carry three catchers, McCann won’t be doing a lot of DH-ing. You don’t want McCann dh-ing because then, if something happens to the backup, you lose the DH. Just a thought.

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