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A few late-afternoon notes and links

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 27, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A few late afternoon notes on this cold and rainy day here in New York. Things feel pretty quiet at the moment, and they’ll probably stay that way until next week.

Robinson Cano• The Yankees and Robinson Cano will continue negotiations after the Thanksgiving weekend. Mark Feinsand reports that Cano’s side has come down from its early $310-million request, but only “very slightly.” No surprise that these negotiations seem likely to stay tense for a while. The Yankees are considering a massive commitment, and Cano is trying to get his life-changing deal (knowing he’ll be too old for a contract like this next time he hits the market).

• Dr. Chris Ahmad has filed court papers defending himself against the claims of Alex Rodriguez’s lawsuit: “Whatever injuries plaintiff may have sustained at the time and place alleged in the complaint were caused in whole or in part or were contributed to by the culpable conduct and want of care on the part of the plaintiff.” Christian Red has the story over at the Daily News. Suing the team doctor was never going to end without a fight.

• Andrew Marchand mentions the idea of the Yankees signing Omar Infante as a sort of super utility type — comparable to what Tony Phillips used to be in Oakland and Detroit — who plays every day, but at various positions. I love players like that (I grew up with Jose Oquendo and the National League game, and I specifically liked Phillips), and I think a regular utility type seems especially appealing given the current state of the Yankees infield, but I wonder how it would play out long term. I just think the Yankees would be better of focusing on specific roles for now, then looking into this sort of alternative plan later. Maybe I’m wrong. I don’t hate the idea, just seems like there are better hitters out there who can fill obvious holes. Have to assume that, at some point, the Yankees won’t have this many questions all over the place.

Luis Cruz is going to play in Japan next year. So there’s one offseason mystery solved. You can all stop emailing me about him now!

• Interesting story over at Baseball America about a low-level Yankees pitcher who’s eligible for the Rule 5 draft because of unusual signing circumstances. It’s an interesting situation if you’re into this super nerdy minor leagues stuff — basically, Cuban lefty Omar Luis has a big arm and got a big signing bonus, but he’s never played above rookie ball and the Yankees chose not to protect him — but it probably has no impact. The chances of Luis being drafted and actually sticking on a big league roster are incredibly slim, just a kind of curious and unusual situation. I’d say Chase Whitley, Tommy Kahnle and Danny Burawa are Yankees pitchers with a much better chance of being lost in the Rule 5.

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80 Responses to “A few late-afternoon notes and links”

  1. Bret The Hitman November 27th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    I guess everyone is traveling. It’s nasty out there on the East Coast.

  2. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    The nice thing w the Cano situation is this.

    Whatever crap his agent is feeding him will be nicely counterbalanced by the counsel of his Father.

    ;)

  3. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Bret-

    I am too.

    From the living room to the fridge.

    ;)

  4. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Is the entire Dominican Republic worth more than 200 Million dollars ?

    :)

  5. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    We just had our 4 days of nasty.

    It’s your turn.

    :)

  6. ron November 27th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    The Yankees have gotten nine excellent seasons and one championship from Robinson Cano. They have paid him about $58 million. Now he wants that much again, and about $250 million more, for a decade that almost certainly will not be as productive’
    This is familiar territory for the Yankees, who caved to Alex Rodriguez six years ago, bidding against themselves after talking tough. It was a foolish deal that turned into a fiasco, with Wednesday’s walkout from a grievance hearing the latest sideshow in Rodriguez’s tired clown act.

    Rodriguez, who presents himself as a mentor to younger players, has provided a road map for Cano’s free agency. By asking for $310 million over 10 years, and by shopping himself to the Mets, Cano is essentially daring the Yankees to make the same mistake with him as they did with Rodriguez. Cano’s lead agent, Jay Z, has taunted the player’s old agent, Scott Boras, in a song. Jay Z needs a splashy signing to establish credibility with other potential clients.

    Cano has earned the right to explore his market value in free agency, which he delayed by two years with his previous contract. But the Yankees should heed the warning signs and get out while they can.

    Losing a superstar is not always as devastating as people fear at the time. Two winters ago, the St. Louis Cardinals watched Albert Pujols leave for a 10-year, $240 million deal with the Los Angeles Angels. They responded by signing Carlos Beltran for two years, giving contract extensions to Yadier Molina and Adam Wainwright, and using their compensatory draft pick on Michael Wacha. Discipline sometimes works.

    The Yankees are willing to give Cano $23 million or so for each of the next seven years, a $161 million package that is already too generous. That kind of deal has put the Yankees in their present state — decaying and injury-prone — and the team needs to break the cycle.

    An influx of fresh talent from the farm system is the best way to start. The Yankees do not have those players, but that should not make them desperate. Desperate teams make the costliest mistakes.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11.....&_r=0

  7. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Seeing some Nolasco to Twins scuttlebut.

  8. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    For them that’s probably the equivalent of signing Kershaw.

    :)

  9. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    And it’s probably horsesh*t anyway.

    :)

  10. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    And it’s probably horsesh*t anyway.

    ======================

    Nah, looks to be the case. Being reported in more than a few spots now. Haven’t seen terms, but I’d be stunned if it were close to the 5/$80M he was seeking. Then again, he signed early, so maybe it’s closer to it than I think.

  11. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Having someone with a K/9 above 5 is going to confuse the hell of out of Twins fans.

  12. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    AAA-

    It was a joke.

    Guess you forgot your reference to me this AM.

    ;)

  13. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    You used the word in a retort to something I said.

  14. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    You used the word in a retort to something I said.

    =================

    Yeah, I kinda half gathered that. Well played.

  15. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Anyway, who cares what the Twins do ?

    They’re irrelevant.

    Like background noise.

  16. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    But I’m glad they are around in a way because they make a nice doormat for us.

    :)

  17. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 27th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    PLEASE READ THIS

    GIVING THANKS

    I am on my way to another Norman Rockwell holiday. Truth be told, my holidays have always basically been that way. But instead of feeling exuberant and cheerful, I feel somewhat sad and depressed. The reason is that it almost feels selfish to have so much happiness on a holiday. A mere accident of birth has caused me to be able to enjoy home and hearth and the love of family, and always more than enough food, drink and cheer. But at the same time, I know that other accidents of birth have caused so many others to have nothing to feel happy about. There are people who are heavy of heart, people who might have a roasted chicken, people who won’t have a meal at all. And some of these people have known nothing else at holiday time. It somehow doesn’t feel fair that I should be able to feel so much joy when so many others will feel nothing but pain. That cuts me to the core.

    Whenever I have been in stores shopping, when the cashier wishes me a happy holiday, I wish her or him one in return and then with a catch in my voice that I just can’t help, I add that we should say a prayer for those people who won’t have happy holidays. It seems that they all have gotten it and most have countered with God bless you. And I say the same back.

    Maybe we can all say a prayer to whatever higher being we believe in and ask that someone who is hurting, or lonely, or without family, friend, food, will somehow find unexpected happiness in her or his holiday, that something will happen to give that person hope so that at the end of the day he or she may witness a feeling of joy and somehow feel that there was happiness in her or his day. Maybe somebody will do that person a kindness “out of nowhere” and bring much-needed happiness to that life.

    There may be people on our very forum who will not enjoy the happiness of the holiday. If so, I will tell you that you will be in my prayers and I will pray so hard that some joy comes to you from somewhere.

    Maybe our prayers will be heard. Actually, I don’t think it’s a maybe. I truly believe that they will.

    God bless each and every person on this forum and bring you some peace, health, happiness, and comfort tomorrow.

    Happy Thanksgiving.

  18. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    You know how it goes. One signing tends to beget the next. How that may impact the Yankees at this point is unknown, but thought it worth mentioning.

  19. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    And when the Yankees do accidentally step in it we can wipe it off on them.

  20. joeman November 27th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    in 4 years Cano will be half the player he is now..

  21. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Trisha-

    You’re a kind soul.

    And that was a beautiful piece.

    I have a ton to be thankful for and I am very grateful for it. I do not take it for granted because it can disappear in a heartbeat.

    Have a wonderful Holiday. Enjoy the love of your Family and the spirit this Holiday is intended to highlight.

    Peace be you young Lady. And may good fortune arrive at your door.

    :)

  22. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    ed: with you

  23. Against All Odds November 27th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    joeman November 27th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
    in 4 years Cano will be half the player he is now..

    ===========

    That’s the price of doing business.

  24. tomingeorgia November 27th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    trisha,
    God bless you. Enjoy what you have, and try to help those who have less. I’ve been both places, and may be again. Happy Thanksgiving!

  25. austinmac November 27th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    I have always thought the Yankees could try to get out of the AROD contract by claiming his illegal activity has caused disability. That issue will be raised in the malpractice case. Interesting.

  26. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Cano is a special player.

    He is talented on both sides of the ball.

    And I hope we can retain him.

    And I hope Hal gives him the maximum love he can.

    But I can say this w/o hesitation.

    No player is worth 30 Million $ a yr.

    And I wouldn’t give any player Cano’s age a 10 yr. contract.

    And I say this with full respect and admiration for what Robbie can do on a baseball diamond.

  27. wanzies222 November 27th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    joeman -

    Disagree. I think if there is one player who can maintain his game beyond 35, it’s Cano.

    1) He’s in fantastic shape
    2) He plays every day… every day.
    3) Most importantly, and as much as this infuriates the non’s like Michael Kay, he plays at pace that is conducive to a very long career.
    4) He’s on a HOF pace with no signs of slowing down.

  28. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Mac-

    His hips are a congenital malformation.

    It’s possible the steroids aggravated it but they are not the prime cause.

    His genes are.

    ;)

  29. mick November 27th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    They appear to be using the Yankees offer as the base point.
    Any team that wants him will just overbid the Yanks offer.
    Maybe they should try it the other way.
    Give him a week to get his other offers then come back to us.

  30. jackamir November 27th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Trisha——Thanks for that dose of reality…. You are a very special person and I admire you and I have a warm spot in my heart for you !!!! God Bless You….

  31. sammiejohnson November 27th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Bob Nightengale ?@BNightengale 3m

    Ricky Nolasco signs w#Twins per @ChrisCotillo

  32. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    The apple does not fall far from the tree IMO.

    If you want an idea of what lies ahead for Robbie take a look at his dad.

    Still spry.

    That would not seem to be the point though.

    The point would be, is any player worth the kind of money he is asking for ?

    And the answer to that IMO is an unqualified no.

    ;)

  33. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Mister Tom-

    Happy Thanksgiving to you sir.

    :)

  34. jackamir November 27th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Cano’s first mistake was dumping Boras..

  35. mick November 27th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    The point would be, is any player worth the kind of money he is asking for ?
    ==============================
    I remember they said that about the million dollar player, then the 5, the 10 and the 20.
    It’s not gonna stop. The owners want it to but have no clue how to do it.
    All it takes is one..

  36. austinmac November 27th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    MTU,

    Look at the pleading files by AROD’s lawyers. We shall see about the cause of his disability which didn’t occur until after years of PED use, presumably. One doctor’s opinion may differ from another’s . Of this fact, I m quite sure.

  37. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Mick-

    The Yankees have said that they cannot guarantee that the offer(s) made to Cano will be there forever.

    Translation: We may have to move on w/o you at some point and there is an unspecified time limit
    which you would be wise not to bump up against.

  38. yankinvegas November 27th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Do I sometimes wish that I had a lot of money and material possessions? Of course I do. But in reality I have more than I need.
    I have a beautiful and great wife who loves me and I can’t believe that I’ve already spent 20 years with her. It goes by so quickly. I have great friends. My mother is still around to drive me nuts!!
    I live in one of the best places in the country – the weather is great and there is so much to do here. Las Vegas is so much different than what people think of it. I was born an American and I try never to take for granted that I am a citizen of the greatest country in the history of mankind.
    Though I have some health issues, overall I’m fine and very thankful.
    Plus I root for the greatest baseball team ever.
    God bless America, God bless all of you and a happy, healthy and safe Thanksgiving to all my fellow NYY enthusiasts out there!

  39. mick November 27th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    MTU

    If there is one team that wants him more than us then he looks gone to me.
    The odds are in his favor for leaving.

  40. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    We shall see about the cause of his disability which didn’t occur until after years of PED use, presumably.

    =============================

    Actually, we shall not. There’s no way any conclusive proof that PED use caused anything at all can be offered. Suspension money aside, the Yankees are paying every dime of that contract. What form the payment will take, be it a buyout or otherwise, is a matter of conjecture at this point, but it’ll be paid.

  41. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Mac-

    As I said, the PED’s may have exacerbated the congenital condition but they are not the cause of an elliptical hip bone and socket.

    It is a well know congenital issue and is prone to be aggravated in athletes.

    It can lie silent until the sport or activity cause it to break out into the open.

    Check w some of our Drs. on here, YT, jmv, Doc Joe.

    I bet they will concur with what I am saying.

    And of course opinions can differ but the prime cause starts at birth.

  42. mick November 27th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    In fact, Hal might not be the type to bow to a players demands.
    Might have been something he was against during his fathers reign.

    If this is the case and he doesn’t budge much over the current offer than some team could get him for an even lower price than they bargained for.

    Imagine if a team scooped him up for 175 over 7 years when the NYY’s offered 165?

  43. Bret The Hitman November 27th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    “Congenital condition” of the hip bone and socket was a big fat farking lie but because of HIPPA, Arod’s fans can pretend the issue is not steroid related.

  44. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Mick-

    That seems true to me.

    There will be competition for his services.

    The Nationals in particular are loaded with dough.

    There are others.

    Boras almost always locates that one dumb owner.

    Maybe these guys have too ?

    I’d like to see Robinson remain a lifelong Yankee but I’m not sure he will.

  45. sammiejohnson November 27th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 1m
    Ryan deal with #Yankees official: 2 years, $5M with a club and player option for ’16 that, along with incentives, could bring value to $10M.

  46. Captain Clutch November 27th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Ouch…What was Cashman thinking?
    ———-

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Ryan deal with #Yankees official: 2 years, $5M with a club and player option for ’16 that, along with incentives, could bring value to $10M

  47. Captain Clutch November 27th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    $189 better be out the window…

  48. mick November 27th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Arod’s fans can pretend the issue is not steroid related.
    ===================
    All 2 of them?

  49. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    No it isn’t Bret.

    It is a well known genetic anomaly which is a defect from birth.

    Now whether that is A-Rod, and whether it was aggravated by PED’s that is yet to be determined.

    But don’t paint it all w a broad brush because the condition definitely exists and is most common in athletes.

    Google it and you’ll see.

    Type in congenital hip conditions and look for the elliptical socket syndrome.

    ;)

  50. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    He was thinking he needs BU for Jeter and so far Ryan is the cheapest available.

    He’s nothing more than insurance.

    ;)

  51. mick November 27th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Ryan is an anomaly.
    In the past it was a utility IF that would play all positions.
    Ryan is limited to SS.
    Questionable move…

  52. tomingeorgia November 27th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Mister MTU,
    And to you, sir. It’s Mrs. Tom’s turn to do the turkey (at ten pounds, the smallest I’ve ever had, but then there are just the two of us this year). Different family traditions about how to do it, different stuffing, different cooking methods, different gravy, etc. So we take turns to avoid conflict. But all the other stuff, the cranberry sauce, green beans, mashed potatoes, yams, pie, the works.

    Sorry you and the pups will be alone. You’re all welcome here. Dinner at 5PM. Drive fast!

    And to everyone else, use your Thanksgiving to do just that, give thanks for your blessings, express your love for those around you, and, of course, eat too much and watch too much football. It’s my favorite holiday.

  53. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Thanks Tom.

    The pups are all the company I need for now.

    :)

  54. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    They are an endless source of amusement and joy.

    :)

  55. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Dinner bell is ringing.

  56. mick November 27th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    There will be an uproar the 1st error Ryan makes.
    Better hope Jeter stays healthy, wouldn’t want to see Ryan out there every day.
    Better get Infante fast before his value goes up.

  57. I Am Winning November 27th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Basically, it is going to cost the Yankees $50m+ a year for 6 years to get him. Or on a super short term deal of 3 years would cost them $100m a year. I definitely got into the wrong profession. I wish my parents spent money on baseball lessons instead of a Catholic education. Yikes!

  58. blake November 27th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    Did they really give Ryan 2 years and an option? Shows what they think of Nunie

  59. blake November 27th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Still…..crazy

  60. Bret The Hitman November 27th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    sammiejohnson November 27th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 1m
    Ryan deal with #Yankees official: 2 years, $5M with a club and player option for ’16 that, along with incentives, could bring value to $10M.

    ____________

    He’s officially Jeter’s caddy for 2 years (Jeter’s not retiring after 2014, folks).

    Where does that leave Eduardo Nunez?

    Trade bait.

    I know I know, he’s not worth much but look at what Peralta got. The market for middle infielders is highly inflated.

    His value may never be higher. Sad, but true.

  61. Bret The Hitman November 27th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Type in congenital hip conditions and look for the elliptical socket syndrome.

    __________

    The statement released to the public asserting his condition is not the same as his real condition which may be different and we will never know either way due to HIPPA.

    Because of his steroid abuse, which I speculate is extensive, I believe it’s steroid related.

  62. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Believe what you wish Bret.

    You may be right, or not.

    It’s your right.

    I have no idea what the truth may be and I actually could care less.

    I just want it all to go away. And I really would just like to know how much of A-Rod’s money will really be available for the Yankees to utilize.

    It’s such a farce that that is my only real interest.

    :)

  63. Pat M. November 27th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Well I’ll be seeing the 10 point dog NY Knickbockers for the first time live and up close this season. Somewhere Donnie Walsh is laughing . Meanwhile The Denver Nuggets are strating to play better after a 0-3 start. Carmelo and The Knicks will be in Denver Friday night to play the Nug-Knicks

  64. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    No Turkey for me and the pups tomorrow.

    Smoked Pastrami instead with mashed and peas.

    Adult beverages of course.

    Pumpkin pie for desert.

    :)

  65. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    sp: dessert in the Desert.

    :)

  66. bigdan22 November 27th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    blake November 27th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    “Did they really give Ryan 2 years and an option? Shows what they think of Nunie”

    Shows what they think of Jeter. Congrats Mr. Ryan. You’re the Yanks new starting SS. At least for the next couple years. Jeter can give you a rest a day or two a week if he can handle that :)

  67. Captain Clutch November 27th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    I wonder if the yanks plan on having Ryan play SS everyday and Jeter play 3rd. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense to sign a bad hitter like him to a 2 year deal and he can only play SS. It doesn’t add up.

  68. bigdan22 November 27th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    And if Jeter can’t handle playing SS once a week, Nunie come on down!!

  69. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    New one ——–>

  70. bigdan22 November 27th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Captain Clutch November 27th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    “I wonder if the yanks plan on having Ryan play SS everyday and Jeter play 3rd. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense to sign a bad hitter like him to a 2 year deal and he can only play SS. It doesn’t add up.”

    Sounds like a 3 year deal to me. Well, at least Ryan is a pretty cheap starting SS.

  71. austinmac November 27th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    MTU and Bret,

    Medical conditions are complex. I would be very surprised if I couldn’t find highly qualified doctors to relate his disability to his usage. In other words, he would not be disabled without use. He has not, in my opinion, sued the Yankees for concern they would counterclaim seeking rescission of the contract.

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