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Is Tanaka becoming more must-have than Cano?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 27, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Robinson Cano

First, don’t forget, we’re doing a chat today at noon. We’ll hang out for a while, talk about the Yankees, someone will ask a random music question, and I’ll spend way too much time thinking about how to answer it. It’ll be great. You gotta be there.

Until then…

Last night I wrote some sort of nonsense about which Tuesday meeting was more important for the Yankees: The one about the Japanese posting system or the one about trying to re-sign Robinson Cano.

Let’s be clear, it’s the sort of question that’s basically made for the Internet. There is no right answer, and the two options are completely unrelated to one another, but it’s good for a mild debate about how you view this offseason for the Yankees. Are they in more trouble without their top offensive priority, or without their top rotation target.

I said the posting system meeting was more important, and here’s why.

While I don’t know which direction the Yankees might turn if they decide to stop pursuing Cano, I know they would have some options. There’s no replacing Cano at second base, but Omar Infante is out there as a perfectly decent option, and there are big-hitting corner outfielders who could fill up available DH at-bats with home run power. That Cano money could go toward a couple of players to at least begin making up the difference. It would be a bit of a mess for sure — when Plan A involves the best second baseman in the game, Plan B is inevitably going to have some short-comings — but offense seems attainable. Maybe not at second base, but somewhere.

Starting pitching on the other hand, that’s hard to stumble upon.

Look at the Tim Lincecum extension and the Dan Haren deal. Even unpredictable pitching, coming off not-so-great years, costs a fortune. And look at the Jason Vargas contract. Perfectly solid No. 3 starters require long-term deals. The availability of Masahiro Tanaka is key for the Yankees because it fits two stated goals: Cut luxury tax spending, and pitching is the key to the kingdom. No one can say for certain that Tanaka will be a great big league starter, but he seems to be as reasonable a bet as anything out there.

Missing out on either Cano or Tanaka would leave the Yankees without a can’t-miss fall-back plan, but there are at least a few other directions the team could go without Cano. Without Tanaka, the search for starting pitching might lead nowhere. The Yankees always knew they were in for a tough negotiation with Cano. But if Tanaka never becomes at least a possibility, I’m not sure how the team adjusts.

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168 Responses to “Is Tanaka becoming more must-have than Cano?”

  1. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Yes.

  2. joeman November 27th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Is Tanaka becoming more must-have than Cano?
    —————————–
    +1

  3. Ys Guy November 27th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Yes

  4. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    There are viable replacements for Cano.

    There are none for Tanaka.

  5. GregD November 27th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    I think you have to assume that Tanaka is a sure thing….not sure I’m there though I want the Yanks to sign him but I want Cano too

  6. 86w183 November 27th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    I want Cano back, but if the second best second baseman in MLB gets $ 13.75, why the hell would the Yankees consider paying twice that?

    From the end of the last thread: someone responding to my Pedroia/Cano comparison wrote

    “You can’t compare FA prices to people who took extensions.”

    *****************************************************

    I responded:

    You can when the extension was signed four months ago.

    I’m not saying I’d draw the line at the number (17.5 AAV) my calculations came up with, but people were using “comps” to match Cano’s worth to Teixeira and Cabrera which is asinine. a “comp” means similarity and the only comp for a 2B is a 2B… a 2B of similar age, similar productivity who could become a FA at a similar time. It’s just like Real Estate.

    I don’t see why Cano should be considered with 2X what Pedroia got. He’s not. I’ve posted many times what I’d offer:

    4 years @ 25
    5 years @ 24
    6 years @ 23
    7 years @ 22

    If he says no, I can get Infante for half that and use the rest on pitching.

  7. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Exactly how I feel Chad and then some.

    ;)

  8. JCPD November 27th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Yes. I’d really hate going more than six years for Cano. If it’s money, give him 6/180. Don’t think he’s anywhere near worth 30, but at least he’d be off the books in 6 years.

  9. Ys Guy November 27th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Long term tanaka is the bigger fish, but they will not win without cano the next two seasons

  10. randy l. November 27th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    big al-

    it’s actually warm out almost 60 degrees. wind and water is going to make for one slow travel day.

  11. Ys Guy November 27th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    I agree with jcpd, I’d rather overpay for the shorter contract

  12. pat November 27th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    but people were using “comps” to match Cano’s worth to Teixeira and Cabrera which is asinine. a “comp” means similarity and the only comp for a 2B is a 2B…

    Comps to me are about location. For me that means NY, for you second base. Yankees set their market price by what they were willing to pay players preceding him.

    Besides, all things being equal, a 2B condo in NYC is often pricier than a 1B condo in NY, a 2B condo in Boston or even a 3B condo in Detroit. :wink:

  13. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Tough choice.

    Looking at this:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t...../league/al

    scored 200 less runs than their AL East rival and WS winner.

    Even with a healthy Tex, if Cano leaves, they still need a productive outfield and third base bat.

    Infante is not the answer. He’s a super utility type.

    Really need both Cano and Tanaka, and hope Tanaka can adjust to pitching more frequently, and in the tough AL East

  14. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Same here.

    I’m ready to give Robbie more for fewer years if it will satisfy his ego and pocketbook.

  15. Abe Peterham November 27th, 2013 at 9:15 am

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  16. blake November 27th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    I think your being too much of a Cano fan to say he’s on the same level overall as Miggy. Miggy can carry a team on his own, Cano can not.”

    WAR backs me up…..almost the same over the last two seasons

  17. Abe Peterham November 27th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Go go go Tanaka

  18. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    No player is irreplaceable or can allowed to be.

    This is a Team sport.

    ;)

  19. JCPD November 27th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Mike, here you go

    https://picasaweb.google.com/105244848673673377679/November272013?authkey=Gv1sRgCPfz6YPozJPeaw

  20. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Jim-

    As I suspected you are way too hard on yourself.

    There is some absolutely wonderful stuff in there.

    Thanks for sharing. Don’t ever stop capturing images.

    ;)

  21. chicken little November 27th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    There is no player that is “must have.” Before the 1993 season, 2 out of 3 of David COne, Greg Maddux, and Barry Bonds were deemed “must haves” for the Yankees. The Yankees ended up with none of them. Instead, the Yanks made due with their acquisition of Paul O’Neill and signing of Jimmy Key. Worked out all right if I remember. While it would be nice to sign Cano and sign Tanaka, there always is another option. Its just a matter of finding it.

  22. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Would this infield be the most productive in baseball?

    Fielder, Cano, Andrus, Beltre.

    Where would this infield rank?

    Teixeira, Infante, Jeter, Reynolds

    Better hope that Cano really wants to remain a Yankee and have his number retired joining all the other great Yankees monuments in center field.

    Sign him to a reasonable contract and get him endorsements that will not count toward the LT!

  23. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    I saw someone in the last thread refer to Jay Z’s group again and their desire to establish a rep here with Cano… I think this really needs to be repeated: CAA, the group that Jay Z co-manages his Roc Nation Sports entity with is NOT A ROOKIE AGENCY GROUP.

    CAA got into the sports world years ago and has clients like Sidney Crosby, Peyton Manning, David Beckham, and some guy named Derek Jeter in their fold.

    Jay Z might have a short list of clients for now, but he’s working with an agency that has nothing – and I really can’t stress this enough, nothing to prove. They know what they’re doing.

    This whole Jay Z/Cano contract connection is ridiculously overblown and will not have any impact on negotiations.

  24. randy l. November 27th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    mtu
    have a great holiday too

    as far as cano goes, the leverage is different at different times.

    right now it tilts a bit in the yankees favor because they have time to do other things if they don’t sign cano.

    however if it’s jan 15th and the yankees haven’t signed him yet, and most of the good free agents are off the board then it’s cano’s advantage.

    even if the yankees give an ultimatum and sign a second baseman and an outfielder with the money they would have spent on cano, cano in february would have tremendous leverage to get 200 million because he is the best player out there and would be a difference maker to a dozen teams.

    i think there would be a team who would be contending who may have been shut out of other players for various reasons who would say lets get cano and jump to the head of the class.

    cano really is a difference maker. as blake said, he’s maybe as valuable as miggy when defense is factored in. someone will pay if cano is patient.

  25. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Chicken

    Maddux turned down more money from the Yankees, to remain in Georgia and play more golf on his off days. Incredibly smart and crafty pitcher who remembered what he threw to a hitter years before that got them out.

  26. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Have you guys seen that commercial where they talk about how AND is better than OR?

    Sweet AND sour chicken.

    Nuts AND bolts.

    Cano AND Tanaka.

  27. Doreen November 27th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Good morning.

    Just a quick hello before getting into Thanksgiving frame of mind.

    It is totally fair for Cano to look at what previous players got from the Yankees. It is totally fair for the Yankees not to want to bid against themselves, yet again.

    I think there is an attainable compromise here.

    You know, in the Tex situation, they told Boras to come back to them before signing anywhere else. But they had Swisher already as a fall back. In this case, if they wait too long for Cano, they may not have a decent fallback available. The problem this time is too many variables. And they have the experience of last off-season, seeing people fall off the board while they did things one at a time, like people at a check-out counter telling the cashier to give them a sub-total after every item before continuing with the order.

    I hope they bid ridiculously high for Tanaka. They have the money to do so, and it is not subject to the LT. I think they will. I think there are too many ??? in the rotation not to.

    I’d like everything done by tonight, or failing that, by next week, or failing that certainly well before Christmas. Although, I will say, it was awfully nice the year they signed Tex right before Christmas Eve and the headlines were “Merry Tex-Mas!”

    In case I don’t stop by tomorrow, I want to wish everyone a happy, and safe, Thanksgiving!!

  28. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Randy-

    As long as the Yankees have their BU plan in place beforehand I could care less how long they
    try to wait out Cano.

    Get me Infante and I’m cool w waiting as long as it takes.

    Tanaka is also extremely important and I sincerely hope the Yankees are ready to do battle to get him.

    That is what it will take. There is serious competition and no viable alternative unlike w Robbie.

  29. jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Ys Guy November 27th, 2013 at 8:55 am
    Every year people get impatient and want their team to get tough, play hardball, set deadlines, etc. they never work because as long as the player they want is out there, the team is going to stay in the negotiation to get or retain him. Thus it’s an empty threat.

    We want them to, but they rarely do. It’s only an empty threat if you are bluffing. Players are used to teams mostly bluffing, then caving, especially the Yankees. That could change if they wanted it to.

    The Cardinals gave Pujols their best offer and then moved on, letting some other sucker overpay, and it worked out pretty well for them.

  30. Tackelberry November 27th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    I say Tanaka is more of a priority right now.

  31. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Jack-

    Great point.

    If the Cards could have the cajones to let king Albert walk away then the Yankees ought be able to do the same with Cano if his side will not be reasonable in a timely manner.

    ;)

  32. jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    AAA November 27th, 2013 at 8:56 am
    It is business. And the Yankees can’t keep their offers and negotiations open forever.

    Cano’s side need to clearly understand that

    =================================

    This is horsesh*t, MTU. The Yankees, by corporate policy, sat on their thumbs during two team options seasons where they could have attempted to extended Cano to a deal that would likely be more palatable than what they’ll end up getting.

    You are forgetting that Boras was his agent until last year. Boras almost never does extensions and if he did with Cano the money would have to be as if he were a free agent.

  33. massjake November 27th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    The Yankees are crazy to get into another 8+ year deal. There is ample evidence to show that they do not work. Crawford 7 years bust and traded. A. Gonzales 8 years traded. Fielder 9 years traded. Pujoles 10 years already declining. The Sox and Tigers were lucky to get out from under those deals. I’d go higher dollars and less years for Cano . Forget 8 years

  34. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    I think almost everyone, if not everyone, would like Cano back.

    But I hope many, if not all, would not want to see the Yankees entire OS be held hostage to his negotiations.

    It’s bad enough we have to deal w you-know-who.

    :(

  35. randy l. November 27th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    “Mike, here you go”

    i especially like the lincoln memorial one with the sky striations .

    i think subjects like lighthouses would look better with an asymmetrical balance. being right in the middle is too obvious and less interesting.

    like mtu said keep shooting.

  36. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Doreen-

    Glad you stopped by.

    I want to wish you a joyous and healthy Thanksgiving in case you or I are not around.

    :)

  37. Doreen November 27th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Shame -

    I love the nuts and bolts one!

    Anyhoo, I hear what you’re saying about CAA being the actual agency, but the perception (obviously) out there is that Cano has aligned his stars with Jay-Z. He is photographed with Jay-Z. He is partying with Jay-Z. Which makes him look more focused on something other than baseball. Perception.

    And I think that setting 10/310 as the goal was a mistake, even if it was just the first step in the negotiation dance.

    I believe the Yankees will do 200, but not much more.

  38. randy l. November 27th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    “Get me Infante and I’m cool w waiting as long as it takes.”

    yes, without ever playing there ,cano is the best third baseman available .

    having both infante and cano wouldn’t be a bad thing.

  39. Ys Guy November 27th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Well put randy. Cano is gonna get paid, he has no reason to jump when the Yankees want him to. The biggest FAs wait til the market has thinned out and teams have fewer options. Especially in an up market where there are a lot of teams chasing few top tier players.

    The Yankees policy is to swim in the FA pool. Now they can’t complain about the way things are done in free agency. (And to their credit, I don’t hear the Yankees complaining just a lot of anxious fans)

  40. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    The Cardinals have a farm system, some obtained when Pujols left, that has been largely responsible for their success.

    Good point Jack, but when is the last time the Yankees had a 22 or 23 year old, successful starting pitcher pitching deep into the playoffs?

  41. Against All Odds November 27th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Ys Guy November 27th, 2013 at 8:40 am
    The Yankees chose to make cano wait til free agency to get the big bucks when they should have extended him two years ago.

    Now it’s the Yankees turn to wait on cano.

    ————-

    Exactly yrs ago Boras suggested extending Cano and the Yankees rejected it completely. They told him they wanted to play it out so Cano did just that. Did they expect to pay less for him now than they would two yrs ago. Weaver and Cargo extended with their teams. The fact that Boras even floated the idea of an extension should have been a sign that they not only wanted to stay but were willing to take less than he would have on the open market.

  42. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    YT-

    No player should be permitted to put his Team over a barrel on general principles.

    Period.

    It’s a Team sport with great individual players.

    Not an individual sport surrounded by a Team.

    The whole has to be greater than the one.

    ;)

  43. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Doreen – I totally get the perception thing, but it’s just not a part of the reality of his contract negotiations. That’s who Robbie is hanging out with.. that’s not the guy in charge of the negotiations.

    If they set the bar at 10/300, I trust that they know what they’re doing. I don’t think it was a mistake at all to shoot $50-60 million higher than realistically possible. And we don’t know where they’ve moved to since. The only thing continued to be reported is the $300 figure that Cano himself stated did not come from his people (obviously he could be lying but that part is never mentioned in any article citing the $300 million request). The Yankees are playing just as much of a game here as Cano. Both sides are doing what they have to do.

    If Cano ends up with a $150 deal, I might change my mind about the initial number being a mistake – but I see no way Cano gets less than $200 in this market and I see that as a win for the agency.

    CAA’s people are driving this thing.. and CAA’s people are very, very good. They’re the biggest agency in show business and, like I said, are no stranger to sports.

  44. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Randy-

    It would be more important than just not a bad thing.

    It would give the Yankees their fallback plan if Cano moves on.

    Of course we’d love to have both. That’s the preference.

    It may not be possible though.

    ;)

  45. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    having both infante and cano wouldn’t be a bad thing.

    ——————-

    It would be similar to the Swisher/Tex situation. Too much talent is never a bad thing. I love Infante’s versatility and his bat is a nice upgrade for 3B.

  46. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Shame-

    Setting the bar that high is ludicrous.

    It shows they don’t have a clue.

  47. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I just found an interesting little nugget I had no idea about before…

    Not only is CAA not a stranger to sports representation, but they also rep – I kid you not – Yankee Stadium.

    http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.....ckage.aspx

  48. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Cano is not getting A-rod money.

    No one should.

  49. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Currently the Yankees have an infield of Tex and Jeter, and it’s possible that neither will be 100% by opening day. I believe the Yankees will ditch the LT restraints this offseason.

  50. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    McCann
    Infante/Phillips
    Choo

    Is plenty of replacement for Cano.

    More than enough.

  51. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Shame-

    Setting the bar that high is ludicrous.

    It shows they don’t have a clue.

    —————

    Lol, sorry MTU, agree to disagree. CAA most certainly has a clue. This is not some mom and pop agency that it’s been made out to be by the media.

    Cano will not suffer from an initial number that’s been floated. Every owner and GM know how these negotiations work.

  52. JCPD November 27th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Glad you enjoyed randy…… and I sure plan to keep shooting. Have a great and safe Thanksgiving.

  53. blake November 27th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Been grocery shopping for my favorite Holliday

  54. Against All Odds November 27th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    You are forgetting that Boras was his agent until last year. Boras almost never does extensions and if he did with Cano the money would have to be as if he were a free agent

    ——————–

    Weaver and Cargo took extensions. If Cano signed an extension yes but it would probably be less than what he will get now. During those two yrs it allowed Cano to accumulate more stats, more AS game appearances, more silver sluggers, more gold gloves, etc.

  55. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Who has more of a clue about sports contract negotiations: CAA or us?

    With all due respect to everyone on the blog, I’ll go with CAA.

  56. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Shame-

    I guess so.

    Agree to disagree.

    They are out in the ozone on this one and didn’t leave themselves an easy path to retreat from.

    Which they will have to do.

    They won’t even get the midpoint between what they asked for and what they Yankees offers.

    Ain’t happening. And if it does it’s crazy IMO.

  57. tucker November 27th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Today, pitching is head of offense, which IMO makes Cano a rare commodity in today’s market. He will have other suitors. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the arrangers and Nationals get involved in bidding.

    Check out this article on the pitching vs. hitting debate:

    By Nick Piecoro
    azcentral sports
    Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:52 PM
    A high-ranking baseball executive noticed something early this off-season in his conversations with rival officials. They all were in search of the same thing.

    “A lot of teams are saying, ‘We need our offense to get better,’ ” said the executive, who works for a National League team. “It’ll be interesting to see, with the amount of teams unhappy with their offense, how they go about finding more.”

    Spoiler alert: They won’t all be satisfied, not in this day and age. But there are some clubs that look like better models than others for how to scrap together offense in what has quickly become a pitching-dominant era.

    It shouldn’t be a surprise that baseball’s pendulum has swung from one side to the other. History shows the game runs in cycles, to the point that you could probably correlate runs scored to hemline lengths the way they do to gauge the economy.

    But it is stunning how quickly this new world order has come upon us. The past four seasons represent the four lowest-scoring years (in runs per game) in 20 years.

    The average team scored just 4.17 runs per game last season as the league-wide batting average dropped to .253, the lowest it’s been since baseball adopted the designated hitter in 1973.

    What’s happening? No one knows for sure, of course, but there is no shortage of theories.

    The easiest one to prove is that the pitchers are harder to hit because they are throwing harder. According to research by Fan Graphs’ Jeff Sullivan, in 2007 there were only 13 relievers who averaged 95 mph with their fastball. This year, there were 46. He found that it’s not just because there are more young pitchers; the young pitchers, as a group, are throwing nearly 2 mph harder than young pitchers six years ago.

    Hitters often cite the rise of the cut fastball as a reason pitchers have gained the upper hand. A well-executed cutter will resemble a fastball before sharply veering at the last instant.

    Leading by example
    More teams are shifting defensively. Scouting reports, which generally tend to favor pitchers, are improving with more comprehensive data. Others will point to the fall of the steroids/amphetamine era and the overly passive approach of the modern hitter.

    Whatever the causes, the effects are real, and clubs are left to try to make sense of how best to proceed in a run-deflated environment.

  58. tucker November 27th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    The above should read the Rangers and Nationals,

  59. jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    YT, but you are saying the Yankees can’t be successful without Cano, and I just think that is not true of any player.

    Overpaying players because you wait and have no other options, or you feel you *must* have the player, is not a recipe for success.

  60. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    jack-

    I love Cano. Think he is a fantastic player.

    But I agree w your take.

  61. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    MTU – Every starting point in a negotiation needs to be retreated from.. that’s true for both sides. Do the Yankees not have to retreat from a 8/$138 offer…???? The David Wright extension was apparently their baseline. Does that make them look foolish? No. It makes them look like they’re doing their due diligence.

    That’s the name of the game. If he gets $100 million less he’s still a winner. That’s why you start so high. You start with your ultimate, icing on the cake price and work down to just an incredibly awesome price.

  62. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Tucker-

    simple answer.

    If you can’t score more you must give up less.

  63. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    tucker – Good article, thanks for sharing.

  64. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Shame-

    The Yankees have already offered over 160.

    It’s a lot closer to 200 than 310 is.

    ;)

  65. pat November 27th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    “This is not some mom and pop agency that it’s been made out to be by the media. ”

    Derek Jeter was under the CAA agent umbrella during his last contract negotiation. They also rep Ryan Howard, Roy Halladay and Buster Posey to name a few.

  66. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Boras is the best in the business at this sort of thing.

  67. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Jack

    I was taking a “jab” at the Yankees minor league system and player development.

    Jim

    Enjoyed the photos.

    MTU

    After looking at infante’s stats, I wouldn’t be opposed to be adding the soon to be 32 yo righty to the Yankees infield. He had a very nice year, batting in the 7,8,or 9 spot.

  68. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Funny how we know what the Yankees have gone up to but not where Cano’s people have come down to.

  69. randy l. November 27th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    “If you can’t score more you must give up less.”

    the red sox lapped the field in offense this year. they scored 200 more runs than the yankees.

    yankees pitching was similar to the red sox with the red sox having a slight edge.

    offense was what separated the red sox from everyone else.

    cano is instant offense.

    someone will do the calculus.

    cano is going to get his 200 million if he wants it.

  70. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Randy-

    I think the Yankees will give Cano 200.

    I think they are shooting for more which is ridiculous.

    If he can find it more power to him.

  71. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    pat November 27th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    “This is not some mom and pop agency that it’s been made out to be by the media. ”

    Derek Jeter was under the CAA agent umbrella during his last contract negotiation. They also rep Ryan Howard, Roy Halladay and Buster Posey to name a few.

    ——————

    I know, pat. The reporting and perception on this whole thing has been fascinating. These guys are not going to make any serious miscalculations. They know what they’re doing.

    If Cano ends up with $150-160 I’ll reserve the right to change my mind. But I probably won’t have to.

  72. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    YT-

    Infante is Cano insurance and a SU super upgrade if needed.

    He should be grabbed right now before he comes off the board.

  73. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    yankees pitching was similar to the red sox with the red sox having a slight edge.

    offense was what separated the red sox from everyone else.

    ———————-

    One thing that was kind of irritating was watching the Red Sox win the WS without having the better rotation. They mashed and they won.

  74. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Overpaying players because you wait and have no other options, or you feel you *must* have the player, is not a recipe for success

    ========================

    Yet the Yankees just did that 5 days ago with McCann.

  75. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Tucker

    Enjoyed it. The Yankees will continue to face these defensive shifts. The Rays are #1 and the Orioles are #2 in its use, and at one point midway thru last season, Granderson was only able to get one single thru the right side if the infield, against any team employing the shift.

  76. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    He won’t wind up there but he isn’t getting 225-240 either.

    that is simply nuts.

    No player is worth that.

  77. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    How can Tanaka be a “must have”, when the guy has NEVER pitched a MLB game??? Some around here, (Chad included), are suffering from MLB Withdrawal.

    – 2014 YANKEE “MUST HAVES” -

    (1) GOOD HEALTH

    (2) SABATHIA pitching like an Ace.

    (3) JEET Leading the charge up San Juan Hill.

    (4) A 3B with Power

  78. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Because the Yankees need 400 quality innings and Tanaka is the best option to fill approximately 200 of them.

  79. tucker November 27th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    MTU, true. You do need to give up less if your offense is not strong. Though I think the Yanks have neglected offense too long while emphasizing pitching. The McCann signing, IMO, was recognition of that.

    I favor letting Cano walk unless he retreats significantly on his contract demands. He’s not a $300 million player. I just don’t think his market is as soft as some suggest. Teams will throw big money at him if they view his return to the Yanks as an uncertain reunion.

  80. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    One thing that was kind of irritating was watching the Red Sox win the WS without having the better rotation. They mashed and they won.

    =======================

    Not sure I buy into your premise that their rotation wasn’t better. Maybe, maybe not. What is for sure is that their’s performed better than the Yankees’ did.

  81. randy l. November 27th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    “They mashed and they won.”

    the best thing thing about that was it made the “Pitching Wins” folks STFU, at least temporally :)

  82. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Randy

    I included the team stats earlier.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t...../league/al

    They can’t count on Tex being a 30/100 offensive machine. They have so many offensive holes to fill, and will essentially have to fill them with free agents, as they have few major league ready players that another teams GM would want.

  83. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Yet the Yankees just did that 5 days ago with McCann.

    —————-

    Good point.

    The Yankees make $500+ million in team revenue annually. It’s hard to feel bad about them having to overpay for talent. I’m sure none of the other owners do.

  84. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Not sure I buy into your premise that their rotation wasn’t better. Maybe, maybe not. What is for sure is that their’s performed better than the Yankees’ did.

    —————–

    Oh I didn’t mean they didn’t have a better rotation than the Yankees.. I meant they didn’t have a better rotation than the Cards. Or the Tigers, IMO.

  85. Hearn November 27th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Enough of this crap. JayZ needs to put his money where his mouth is.

    Cano gets 7 Years, 25 Per. 175M Contract.

    If his numbers in Year 6-7 average ‘X’ then Year 8 at 25M kicks in automatically. And so on for year 9 and 10. This way he can say “I have a ten year contract worth 250M”….but he has to EARN those last three years.

  86. jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    AAA November 27th, 2013 at 10:04 am
    Overpaying players because you wait and have no other options, or you feel you *must* have the player, is not a recipe for success

    ========================

    Yet the Yankees just did that 5 days ago with McCann.

    I don’t think 5 x 17 was an overpay for McCann, and there aren’t writers out there jumping on the Yankees for making a bad deal, even so called Yankee haters say it was a good sign. It’s only through his age 34 season.

    8 years for Cano takes him through age 38.

  87. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    I agree. Pitching = kingdom stuff is outdated. R\Sox absolutely proved that. As pitching goes, you do need a legitimate Ace at the top. After that, you can get by with Plenty of mediocre “back fill”. All you gotta do is stagger into the Playoffs, ride the Ace hard, and offensively bludgeon everyone in your path.

  88. jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Jay Z is not negotiating, he is just a public face that is running his mouth and saying inappropriate things, like someone else in LA. He’ll show up for the signing though for his face time.

  89. Against All Odds November 27th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    It is an overpay though even though I like having McCann on the team.

  90. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    h I didn’t mean they didn’t have a better rotation than the Yankees.. I meant they didn’t have a better rotation than the Cards. Or the Tigers, IMO.

    ==============================

    Ah! Maybe not. I’ll say this though. The notion that the Sox mashed their way to a title is bogus. Over the ALCS and World Series, they pitched to a 2.44 ERA, while OPS’ing .615.

  91. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    MTU

    Wouldn’t be surprised if Infante isn’t being courted by the Blue Jays who got zilch from their production at second.

    If the Yankees know they will have to surpass the threshold to field a competitive team, like all of us do, and help put fans back in the seats, then they need to get the best remaining Free agents out there to fill their holes at corner outfield, 2nd, 3rd, starters, LOOGY, and a possible closer.

    All aboard the Teem Greedy Bus!

  92. jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    The Red Sox had nearly everything work for them.

  93. jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    If they are going to blow away 189 and operate like the Yankees should going forward, then by all means give Cano a big contract.

  94. JCPD November 27th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    YT, thanks…… have a great Thanksgiving!!

  95. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    If the Yankees really want to hit that $189, they need to subtract the contract $$$ of Cano and A-Rod. That makes hitting that $189 figure realistic. Otherwise, you’re not only Not gonna hit $189, you’re gonna pass on acquiring players due to $$$, and Not even make the Playoffs. It’s Very easy to pass on a player, (Cano), that has priced himself out of the Current Yankee market.

  96. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Jack-

    If they get to 200 that is a huge contract.

  97. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    McCann for 5yrs at $17 Mill per, is a better investment than Cano for 7yrs at $24 Mill per.

  98. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    The Red Sox had nearly everything work for them.

    ======================

    What they had was excellent pitching and TIMELY hitting. The Cards and Tigers just had excellent pitching.

  99. jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Yeah, 8 x 25 is pretty big. I’d rather not be paying big money to Cano at age 38, even though I think he should age relatively well.

  100. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    McCann for 5yrs at $17 Mill per, is a better investment than Cano for 7yrs at $24 Mill per.

    ==============================

    Maybe. McCann has a bad body for a 30 year old. Cano is such an extraordinary athlete that I see the chances of him still being an effective 2B 5 years from now much better than McCann’s are of being an effective catcher 3 years from now.

  101. austinmac November 27th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    It seems to me Infante would be a very good sign. He can play third and be at least average or Cano returns. If not, he will play second.

    Right now, we should all remember that at this point, the team’s offense being as good or better than last year(or less bad) Tex And Jeter must bounce back. Otherwise, they are a lesser offense with McCann and no Cano.

    It sure looks like the Yankees are going to have a sense of whether they will sign him after a second meeting. I expect Cano’s agents have spoken to a number of teams. They should have a sense if anyone will go over $200M. I think the Nats might.

  102. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    You will enjoy this article that just came out from SB Nation.

    “Free agents: Stop worrying about the money.”

    http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/20.....ian-mccann

    Given the somewhat recent of influx of cash from television deals that could bring roughly $25 million to each team per season thanks to the ESPN, FOX, and TBS deals that cover 2014 to 2021, teams have grown money trees overnight. Because of the cash, teams can be concerned with two numbers when considering free agents: the team budget and the luxury tax, both of which are fungible.

    If money has paradoxically little value when it comes to evaluating free agent contracts, it still speaks loudly for the recipients of those contracts themselves. Between the increasing tendency of teams to buy out a player’s early free agent years, thus preventing some of the best from ever reaching the market and the perpetual shortage of good players at positions like shortstop and catcher, the competition for free agents has intensified.

  103. blake November 27th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    “I don’t think 5 x 17 was an overpay for McCann, and there aren’t writers out there jumping on the Yankees for making a bad deal, even so called Yankee haters say it was a good sign. It’s only through his age 34 season.”

    I think it was pretty fair value…..when was the last good catcher that hi the FA market? They generally don’t…..being able to sign a top FA catcher at age 29 is very rare…..I can’t even remember the last one that made it to free agency so there was gonna be a premium on that and to me the yanks might have even got off a little cheap compared to what I thought it would take

  104. blake November 27th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    “It seems to me Infante would be a very good sign. He can play third and be at least average or Cano returns. If not, he will play second.”

    Agreed….depends on the money but he seems like a good fit right now given that he could play 3B and would be cano insurance should somebody like the Nats drop a huge number the yanks didn’t want to match……plus he hits lefties pretty well and woukd add a little balance to the lineup

  105. austinmac November 27th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Before we go on and on about those lucky Red Sox, think back to the last series against them. They could really hit. Plus, they had good starters and a great pen. Let’s hope they lose some key players, but they will probably return for under market value. When was the last time we had someone do that?

  106. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 27th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    “Someone who is obsessed with “fair” play and morality is a fan of Michael Jackson? Anyone else would have been thrown in jail for many many years. Disgusting”

    This is a fair enough comment based on the way I phrased my post. I can tell you that I felt Michael Jackson belonged in prison and was totally disgusted with the outcome of his trial. That is truth. I can also tell you that I felt he was an immensely talented person, and that is really what I was responding to. Remember, that trial was almost 10 years ago. It’s easy to look at videos of his singing and dancing and forget the rest because of the time and distance. So I can say sincerely that I still respond to the enormity of his talent in a huge way. And still feel he should have been convicted. And that is where I was coming from.

    I will also say, for the sake of science, that while I am totally convinced that he was a pedophile, unfortunately nobody came forward at the critical time to testify against him in any kind of meaningful way.

    I personally cannot look at Arod in the same way because his talent is unfortunately mixed in with the very thing he’s being charged with. Michael Jackson’s talent didn’t emanate from his pedophilia.

    ******************

    “Just because you decide a certain behavior is immoral that doesn’t mean I have to evaluate the same behavior in the same way.”

    I never used the word immoral. But let’s put it this way. If something’s against the law – to use an example – then it’s against the law. For someone to judge it “okay” is where the cracks start to develop. That said, I understand where you’re coming from, but it is really a slippery slope. I probably am more focused on the right and wrong aspect and laws and rules because of my profession. There’s a possibility that if I weren’t in this profession, I might be on the side of Arod right now. Who knows?

    *************

    Big Al – you keep coming at me in a very ugly way. I know I’m not doing the same to you. I have had online friendships turn extremely sour for some of my judgments on baseball players. I will say that I find that totally amusing on some level, and really weird on another. I guess I’ve never attached myself so strongly to someone I don’t know personally that I would take umbrage at another person having immense dislike for that person or making negative judgments on that person. That is so high-school to me. Or maybe even grammar school. And it won’t do any good for someone to pretend at this point that it has to do with anything other than my negative judgment on some of your heroes because my personality hasn’t changed from day one.

    To those who couldn’t stand me from day one, you definitely get a bye.

    :)

  107. UnKnown November 27th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    “One thing that was kind of irritating was watching the Red Sox win the WS without having the better rotation. They mashed and they won.”

    “the best thing thing about that was it made the “Pitching Wins” folks STFU, at least temporally”

    But but but, I clearly read here that pitching was more important and the only way to win a championship. You mean that was actually incorrect, NOOOOOOO. :shock:

    You mean all those lectures on here were a farce, can’t be… :roll:

    Oh well add another thing wrong to the ledger. :lol:

  108. Ys Guy November 27th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    i like mc cann alot but imo the last 2 seasons of that contract are going to be a real waste.

    hard to believe that the one position the yankees thought for sure they had covered with prospects cost them $85M to cover.

  109. austinmac November 27th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    YT,

    I am confused by that article. Hal tells us money and the cap is king. We have spent the last month figuring out how in the world to build a team when we have money limits. How can it be?

  110. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    The Yankees are at least trying to wrap up filling some holes now, before the Winter meetings.

    Hopefully they’ll nab a corner outfielder, a starter, and reach some common ground/dialogue with Cano before the meetings.

  111. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    AAA November 27th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    McCann for 5yrs at $17 Mill per, is a better investment than Cano for 7yrs at $24 Mill per.

    ==============================

    Maybe. McCann has a bad body for a 30 year old. Cano is such an extraordinary athlete that I see the chances of him still being an effective 2B 5 years from now much better than McCann’s are of being an effective catcher 3 years from now.

    —————–

    This is how I see it too. People are already talking about McCann shifting to 1B in 3 years so… I don’t think the comp makes sense.

    Good point about the Sox, AAA, but I’d love to see their offensive numbers against the BPs vs. Starters.. I felt like in the Tigers series they couldn’t buy a hit until they got to the pen. Could be misremembering of course. But yes, they were a good team all around.

  112. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Every 30yr old catcher has a “bad” body. They know it’s coming and adjust accordingly along the way. The $$$ Cano wants should go to players that are the Bedrock of your team. Cano is certainly an excellent player, but he is a “go with the flow” guy, as evidenced by the Yankees record last season. Due to a “battlefield commission” last season, Cano was placed in a position of leadership. He then proceeded to produce a mouse.

  113. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    hard to believe that the one position the yankees thought for sure they had covered with prospects cost them $85M to cover.

    ============================

    Probably 6/$100M when all is said and done. Vesting options don’t tend to be all that difficult to achieve.

    Blake, last C to get to free agency with McCann’s profile was probably Ivan Rodriguez. He ended up with a one year deal for $10M for the Marlins. That was probably a case of Boras overplaying his hand though. Irod did get himself a ring though, then landed a long term deal with the Tigers.

  114. UpState November 27th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    CANO:

    The 310 balloon that was floated…

    A – Understood point that an Agency may start at that.

    B – (other side of coin)… Public Relations with fans.
    Most interpreted it as being greedy & obnoxious.
    (as seen right here on LoHud)

    Greedy & obnoxious numbers are exactly what started the ‘national hatred’ of A-Rod.
    The springboard to his overwhelming dislike was NOT from his ‘boli’ admission years ago – it was the obnoxious salary Texas agreed to.

    Mr. Cano has to manage that balance.
    There will be a certain amount of backlash against him (that’s already started)
    ….wherever he ends up – and he ‘dogs’ another ground ball that ends up in the RF corner and gets thrown out at 2B – he’s going to hear it; and here it good.

    But for $X million a year salary – they can hate me as much as they want; just keep writing the checks.

    (see: Alex Rodriguez)

  115. jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    MLBTR predicted 3/25 for Infante.

  116. Hearn November 27th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Everyone remembers Robbie’s 2012 Postseason right???

    (In Ivan Drago voice) If he walks. He walks.

  117. pat November 27th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    from Milwaukee Journal Sentinel…..

    Ryan Braun talked to the media today for the first time since his PED suspension. Says “he is “deeply remorseful;” but declined to get into any specifics about the suspensions earlier this year.”

  118. Shame Spencer November 27th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    MLBTR predicted 3/25 for Infante.

    ————-

    Should definitely do that.

    With a guy like that, you don’t ever have to worry about finding a place to play him on the Yankees.

    Man, I hope they get him (… AND Cano… AND Tanaka).

  119. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Mac

    Just about every team, besides the Yankees have cash to add or extend players without having to spend fifty cents on the dollar by surpassing the LT Threshold. I hope Hal has seen the light in what the Yankees only avenue is to regain competitiveness in 2014, and that is to add through free agency, which means surpassing the threshold. These players who have signed are getting big contracts from teams that are well under the cap. Vargas, Peralta, to name a few.

  120. jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Infante’s price may go up a little after what Peralta got.

  121. Ted Nelson November 27th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    The Yankees had better have a back-up plan for missing out on Tanaka. This is still likely to be a blind bidding process where they don’t control their destiny. Tanaka being posted is likely good for the Yankees even if they don’t get him, since it increases the supply of SP available / once he’s signed it decreases the demand. They can’t count on getting him should a deal for a new posting system be struck, though.

    I have to disagree with the conclusion on which is more important to the team. There are quite a few SPs on the market, and since we have little idea how good Tanaka is as an MLB SP it is very hard to say how the other options compare to him. The chances are a lot higher that, say, Feldman is as good as Tanaka for a similar luxury tax price and cheeper overall price than they are that any two FAs at 2B and OF even combine to be as good as Cano while taking up two roster spots (vs. one for Cano obviously). At P you have guys coming off a 4 fWAR seasons in Kuroda and Colon, 3 fWAR seasons from Nolasco, Jimenez, and Santana plus 2.5 from Kazmir (with poor 2012 seasons for the last three, of course), 2 fWAR from Garza, Feldman, and Pelfrey, and a year removed from 2 fWAR in Malholm, Arroyo, and Hammel. Past performance isn’t a perfect indicator of future performance, of course, and I probably wouldn’t pay all those guys what they’ll get. However, there are options out there at P who are at least as good of bets to perform as Tanaka.

    Additionally, we can’t just ignore the bid money on Tanaka. As fans we want to because it doesn’t count towards the $189. If you’re the Yankees, though, it’s still money coming out of your pocket. It’s a little complicated to compare to regular salary because of the luxury tax benefits, but it is still a ton of money they are investing that needs to be considered alongside the alternatives.

    I don’t find the Hudson deal particularly surprising, by the way. This is a guy who hasn’t put up an ERA above 4 since 2006. You’d rather only give a guy his age one year, sure, but not many FAs are going to play the Kuroda game of intentionally leaving money on the table. I actually think Tim Hudson is one of the best values of the off-season so far. I don’t know if he would have been a perfect fit for the Yankees in the AL East and with all their P and payroll considerations, but I love the signing for the Giants.

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 27th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    MTU, thank you for asking about the back. I can tell you that right now vicodin is my savior. I find that if I keep up with my medication, I am good to go. When I have let too much time go by, I’m in trouble. I think this is just one of those things you wait out and when it’s ready to go, it goes. I don’t know if I mentioned this but they want to send me for an MRI because when the radiologist read the report, he found “defects in L5 S1 with a flattened aspect”. They keep telling me that it isn’t a disc problem based on the little tests they put me through, so who knows. I may or may not go for the MRI, depending on whether this eventually takes care of itself.

    ******************

    About Arod. One more thing. I am a forgiving person in that when someone makes a mistake and sincerely makes amends, it’s over. I would hope for the same benefit of the doubt. When someone proves to be a continual sneak and a cheat, potentially hurting others in his profession with his sneaking and cheating, that’s when it’s over for me.

  123. Ys Guy November 27th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    yt is making hal’s case as to why the yankees think they need to get under the LT threshold.

  124. Hardcore Yankee Fan November 27th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    It is never mentioned, and not once here. But Cano is at an age where he is a year or two away from TONS of second baseman who have historically fallen off a cliff performance wise.

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 27th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    “Ah! Maybe not. I’ll say this though. The notion that the Sox mashed their way to a title is bogus. Over the ALCS and World Series, they pitched to a 2.44 ERA, while OPS’ing .615.”

    Good catch AAA.

    :D

  126. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Do you sign Infante now, and tell him that he’ll be the starting 2nd or 3rd baseman? I would think he wants to be guaranteed a starting position, to sign with the Yankees. I don’t believe he has played much third, since being trade from the Braves, for Uggla.

  127. UpState November 27th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    These ‘new’ negotiations with the Japanese League…

    …it’s really all about MLB making it more difficult for the NYY, correct ???

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 27th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    OT for any cooks in the house.

    1. If I am going to make mashed potatoes and am going to leave the skins on and then remove them once the potatoes are cooked, it shouldn’t matter how dirty they are, correct? I don’t feel like having to thoroughly clean 10 pounds of potatoes when they skins are going to be discarded anyway.

    2. Is it okay to put potato skins down the garbage disposal?

  129. UpState November 27th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Compost potato skins and all other ‘non-meat’ waste.

  130. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    YS

    Good morning. I actually think if we see Beltran and Kuroda added soon, that Hal has given Levine and Cashman the go ahead to field a competitive team thru free agency, and has set the budget above the 189M.

  131. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Depends if you have a 1/4 hp garbage disposal, or a brawny one horsepower disposal.

    Honestly I don’t know!:)

  132. pat November 27th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Deadspin bought a HOF vote from a BBWAA member and is going to let readers decide who gets voted in.

    http://deadspin.com/deadspin-b.....socialflow

  133. pat November 27th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Reading through the transcript from Brauns presser earlier today, he is regretful of making a mistake but never mentions PED use.

    Can you see that flying with the NY media?

  134. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Can you see that flying with the NY media?

    =========================

    We already have. Remember old friend Jason Giambi?

  135. randy l. November 27th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    “Deadspin bought a HOF vote from a BBWAA member and is going to let readers decide who gets voted in.”

    you can buy hall of fame votes?

    alex may get in yet :)

    (that was for pure joke value)

  136. jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Great, HoF voters selling their vote…

  137. 86w183 November 27th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Trisha —-

    Rinse ‘em…. don’t worry about doing more than that

    If you have a back yard toss the skins out there… if you have an apartment and are at least five flights up toss ‘em out the window!

  138. 86w183 November 27th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Great, HoF voters selling their vote…

    ****************************************

    No surprise with that collection of sanctimonious frauds

  139. 86w183 November 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    gotta run, have a day all

    Happy Thanksgiving if I don’t make it back today

    Merry Christmas if I don’t make it back for five weeks!

  140. austinmac November 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    YT,

    I really understood the point of the article, but was bemoaning the fact we don’t seem to have the freedom other teams seem to have.

  141. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Everyone have an enjoyable Thanksgiving and Chanukah.

    Until later

  142. dan l November 27th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    When I think of Cano I just don’t want him. When Fielder hit the market he had 3 seasons of 157 ops+ under his belt and Cano has none above 150. If I am going to pay huge dollars for a hitter I need that hitter to be an overall elite hitter not just for his position.

    As for Tanaka in his first season over here he’ll likely be a 20 quality start guy. The Yankees lost 38 quality starts with Pettitte and Kuroda gone. If you believe CC will bounce back and Nova’s return last year isn’t a fluke then with Tanaka the Yankees should be able to count on 60 to 65 quality starts leaving the 4th and 5th starter spots to be average to field a decent enough rotation.

    What I do find interesting is that two post season AL teams last year didn’t have elite hitters on them, the A’s an Indians if you don’t count Donaldson but how can you as his year was so unexpected. What those two teams did was lead the league in platoon advantage PAs.

    The Yankees were well below league average in pitchers and hitters having the platoon advantage…this needs to change for them to be competitive in today’s game while wishing to be under 189.

  143. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    MAC

    I know you get it.

    Sometimes you have to buy your freedom with money! :)

  144. austinmac November 27th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    I don’t think McCann was an overpay in this market. It looks like one of the best deals and most pundits I have heard agree.

  145. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    I don’t think McCann was an overpay in this market. It looks like one of the best deals and most pundits I have heard agree.

    =====================================

    With the qualifier “in this market”, I think this is true.

  146. Ys Guy November 27th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    if the potatoes have dirt on them, you need to get that dirt off. think about what’s in that dirt. im not even referring to manure, im talking pesticides and incecticides. if they are organic, you can certainly worry less about that, but you should still make sure you get all the dirt off.

    that being said, why take the best part of the potatoes out of the mashed potatoes. just leave em in.

  147. Jerkface November 27th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I felt like McCann got what he would get. He was really the biggest catcher to hit free agency since Posada. I can’t recall a better player at the position who has managed to avoid being bought out early.

  148. vrsce November 27th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Is Tanaka becoming more must-have than Cano?
    ——————————————————————-

    Yes, emphatically yes.
    The Cano circus is a blessing in disguise.
    The Yankees now have the opportunity to rebuild
    while Jay Z continues to be impossible to deal with.

  149. pat November 27th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Here’s the published Braun transcript from today if anyone is interested:

    http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/.....16811.html

  150. Against All Odds November 27th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Ted Nelson???

  151. AAA November 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    I felt like McCann got what he would get. He was really the biggest catcher to hit free agency since Posada. I can’t recall a better player at the position who has managed to avoid being bought out early

    ============================

    I mentioned Irod, as he was closed to the same age as McCann when he hit FA. Forgot about Posada, but of course he was much older and that deal ended up less than optimal for the Yankees.

    I don’t necessarily think this a bad deal for the Yankees, but I think McCann is being a little overestimated here. To me, he’s Nick Swisher’s offense at catcher. That has significant value until he’s not a catcher. Then it’s just Nick Swisher’s bat, and that’s not a $17M commodity. I can see the last 2 years of the deal being iffy. I wasn’t thrilled with this deal at first, but I’m coming around on it.

  152. Against All Odds November 27th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Hearn November 27th, 2013 at 10:46 am
    Everyone remembers Robbie’s 2012 Postseason right???

    ————–

    Yes

    And everyone forgets his 2010 and 2011 Post seasons

  153. pat November 27th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    I can understand why the MLBPAA wouldn’t want Braun to comment because they had to deal with Alex’s appeal and a detailed admission from Braun could have impacted that case but what did MLB not want him to say that could have hurt them?

  154. RhapsodyInBlue November 27th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Ys

    If you enjoy baked potatoes like I do, it bodes well to have a hard brush to thoroughly clean the skin with warm/hot water before baking.

    I mash my potatoes with the skin although I prefer to steam rather than boil them before mashing.

  155. RhapsodyInBlue November 27th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    I love Robbie Cano but I am a Yankee fan first and foremost, no to 8 years.

    We will be much further ahead a few years down the road if they avoid it.

  156. yankinvegas November 27th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    The Yankees policy of not doing extensions until a contract is completed is of another time. When we were the only team with $$, the policy was fine, but not now.
    Cano’s demands are outrageous, no doubt. This process will take time. One of the things that the policy creates is that no player will EVER give us a hometown discount. Many of Boston’s guys have signed team-friendly deals, with Pedroia being the most recent. The Yankees corporate arrogance sometimes gets in the way of fiscal responsibility. Cano is going to wind up getting millions more than necessary.
    Hopefully, Hal will learn his lesson here.

  157. austinmac November 27th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    AAA,

    All the free agents are getting what seems to be overpays. But, in reality, that is the market value. To me, a real overpay is paying far more than anyone would pay. See AROD’s two contracts as examples.

  158. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 27th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    “It is never mentioned, and not once here. But Cano is at an age where he is a year or two away from TONS of second baseman who have historically fallen off a cliff performance wise.”

    Hardcore, you are correct. I think that is why quite a few posters are against these long-term contracts. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t give out long-term contracts and then want to bring on a hot-shot DH, because we’ve seen that our DH position has become a revolving door because of long-term contracts. Common sense.

  159. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    I didn’t realize that our Cuban LHP prospect Omar Luis is eligible for the Rule 5. Not good news b/c of the marginal risk even if he likely won’t stick on someone’s 25-man.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....e-5-draft/

  160. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Yanks should have extended Cano when they had the chance. We have done a very bad job of keeping core players (the one position one we have) in the fold or we should have dealt them to re-infuse the lineup with young cost-controlled players. To merely get a pick for Cano is pretty laughable. I still think/hope we re-sign Cano to a mutually doable contract because that is the best thing for the Yankees. Hopefully, going forward we will have a better business plan.

  161. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 27th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Thanks guys for the help! Here’s a cool video on not having to peel potatoes before you boil them, in case you’re interested.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4W0qIPJmoo

    :)

  162. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 27th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    “Yanks should have extended Cano when they had the chance. We have done a very bad job of keeping core players (the one position one we have) in the fold or we should have dealt them to re-infuse the lineup with young cost-controlled players. To merely get a pick for Cano is pretty laughable. I still think/hope we re-sign Cano to a mutually doable contract because that is the best thing for the Yankees. Hopefully, going forward we will have a better business plan.”

    That would be a bingo, YF.

  163. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    yankinvegas, exactly.

  164. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    we will have *to have* a better business plan (it should read)

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  166. pete2 November 27th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    They could just tack on what is projected to be Tanakas posting fee and give Cano 3 more years, 10/240. That should get it done. Frankly, the Yankees can afford both, although the last 3 years for Cano will not go well and its not clear they would not be bidding against themsleves.

    Tanaka is hardly a sure thing in the AL East though. Think Daisuke, Igawa, etc.

    Go after Colon, Garza, Jiminez and Nolasco (pick 2), you can’t wait on Tanaka

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