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The Yankees 40-man roster additions

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 27, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Bryan Mitchell

The Yankees 40-man roster is going to evolve quite a bit this offseason. Right now, it includes 39 players, but that’s not counting either Brian McCann or Brendan Ryan. And you can bet those won’t be the only free agents added this winter. The current 40-man is loaded with non-tender candidates (Stewart, Huff, Daley, Nix) and young players who could be cut simply to open spots (Marshall, Flores, maybe even Adams and recent trade acquisition Dean Anna).

Last week, the Yankees made one of their most significant 40-man roster decisions when they selected five minor league prospects to protect from the Rule 5 draft. This sort of thing isn’t for everyone — there are surely some of you who have never heard of a guy like Shane Greene — but I love this stuff. It’s the only minor league writer in me. I can’t help it. So, if you’ll forgive me, here’s a quick look at the newest 40-man additions.

AnnaDean Anna
Utility infielder
27 years old
Why he was added: The Yankees made a minor trade to acquire Anna from the Padres. He can basically play any position but center field and catcher, and throughout the minors he’s shown a great ability to get on base (he slugged .482 last year, but I’m going to largely dismiss that because he was in the Pacific Coast League). Remember last year when the Yankees struggled to find help at shortstop and third base? Seems safe to assume that’s what triggered the Anna addition. One rival evaluator who’s seen a lot of Anna said his best position is “definitely” second base, and described him as a “grinder type player who plays better than his tools.”
Short-term role: Depth. We’ve said it over and over, and it remains true, that the Yankees upper levels are thin in the infield. Moving Tyler Austin back to the infield corners might help some, but guys like David Adam and Corban Joseph — who was taken off the 40-man last week — have not emerged as reliable options, and there’s very little at the shortstop position. Anna has at least one strong skill in his ability to work an at-bat, and he can play anywhere.
Long-term future: Not much, but Anna is still the type of player the Yankees needed in the short term. He fills an immediate hole and gives the Yankees a bit of depth at several positions where they’ve proven to be short-handed. Best-case scenario probably has Anna emerging as a cheap Jayson Nix type for the next few years, but anything beyond that would significantly exceed expectations.

CamposJose Campos
Right-handed pitcher
21 years old
Why he was added: Because the upside is significant. Campos was the lowest-level prospect involved in the Pineda/Montero trade, and he immediately became one of the Yankees top pitching prospects. He lost most of 2012 because of an elbow injury, but he rebounded nicely in 2013 with a 3.41 ERA and 1.13 WHIP in Low-A Charleston. He was under a strict innings limit, and will be limited again this year, but he has significant potential.
Short-term role: None. He’s being protected strictly because of his upside. For a team that has quite a bit of upper-level pitching depth, it’s hard to expect Campos to play any sort of big league role this year, and probably not even next year. More likely, Campos is heading to High-A Tampa to try to get a little more stretched out and build on his encouraging 2013 season.
Long-term future: Too early to say, really. Best-case scenario is pretty good, maybe even a No. 2 or No. 3 starter, but Campos has a long way to go and last year’s injury significantly slowed his progress. He has to build innings and advance into the upper levels. There are a lot of hurdles, and there’s at least some chance that he’ll never do a single thing in the big leagues, but the potential remains significant. Campos is still one of the better pitching prospects in the system.

GreeneShane Greene
Right-handed pitcher
25 years old
Why he was added: Because he was one of the Yankees real breakout prospects in 2013. He cut his walks in half — even better than half, actually — while keeping his strikeout rate pretty high at 8-per-nine-innings. Vice president of baseball operations Mark Newman has raved about the steps Greene took this season, and it’s not out of the question that he could be in Triple-A by the second half of next season.
Short-term role: In spring training, Greene is likely to be overshadowed by guys like David Phelps, Adam Warren and Vidal Nuno. Immediate fifth-starter and long relief opportunities are far more likely to go to one of those guys rather than Greene. That said, Greene’s new-found ability to throw strikes, and the fact he’s already 25 years old, means the Yankees could give him a chance if he pitches well early in the season. There’s a non-zero chance that Greene could play some sort of big league role next season.
Long-term future: A year ago, Greene was a very fringy prospect coming off a 5.22 ERA in High-A Tampa. If he falls back to that level of production, he could very easily become forgotten by the middle of the year. However, if last season’s improvements carry into 2014, he could become a Phelps-type who breaks into the big leagues as a mopup guy with a chance to pitch his way into spot-starter consideration. Greene made a pretty significant leap in 2013, and it’s not out of the question that he could keep moving forward in 2014.

HeathcottSlade Heathcott
Center fielder
23 years old
Why he was added: Because he’s still one of the Yankees top prospects, and he’s finally advanced to the point of wondering whether he could play a big league role within the next year or so. His overall numbers in 2013 were solid but nothing special — .261/.327/.411 in Double-A — but the Yankees were encouraged by the fact he was young for that league and hit .279/.339/.514 in his final 111 at-bats.
Short-term role: Injuries have been a problem for Heathcott, and he was hurt again at the end of last season. The Yankees don’t believe the latest setback is a significant one, but Heathcott certainly needs more at-bats. He has yet to reach 400 at-bats in a season, which is another way of saying that Heathcott’s most immediate goal is more about playing than playing a significant role. If he stays healthy, hits pretty well and gets significant Triple-A time, his 2014 season should be considered a success. There’s at least some chance that he could hit his way into the big league picture, but first things first, he just needs to play to try to keep moving toward his relatively high-end potential.
Long-term future: As a convenient comparison, Heathcott’s upside has been described as Brett Gardner with power. Heathcott’s a good center fielder with a plays-all-out reputation. He can run, and he’s shown some ability to drive the ball. His best-case scenario is basically replacing Gardner as the Yankees everyday center fielder, possibly as early as 2014.  But as with any prospect who has yet to reach Triple-A, there is still some question about whether he’ll ever come close to reaching his potential. Heathcott had a pretty good 2013, and with a strong and full 2014, he could reassert himself as a significant piece of the Yankees future.

MitchellBryan Mitchell
Right-handed pitcher
22 years old
Why he was added: I would say this is the Rule 5 choice I was most curious about. Mitchell has never put up particularly good numbers — he had a 5.12 ERA in High-A this  year — but scouts and Yankees personnel have always raved about his stuff. The kid has a great arm, and the Yankees have clearly decided to protect his potential rather than risk losing him due to lack of results. Mitchell was protected ahead of other Rule 5 eligible pitchers like Tommy Kahnle, Danny Burawa and Chase Whitley. Those three would seem to have more short-term polish, but the Yankees chose to protect Mitchell’s long-term potential.
Short-term role: More advanced than Campos, but in a similar boat. Basically, Mitchell has no short-term role unless he has a tremendous breakout year and forces his way into the big league picture. His stuff is good, but he’s still waiting for the kind of results that make the Yankees confident he’s ready to live up to his potential. He did pitch pretty well after a late-season call-up to Double-A, so maybe there’s something there.
Long-term future: Could be something pretty good — maybe a middle-of-the-rotation starter, maybe even better than that if things go extremely well — or he could fade away entirely. The Yankees have a lot of solid upper-level starting pitchers, but Mitchell provides an upper-level arm that has a fairly extreme upside. Gonna have to actually show some results, though. Stuff and potential mean quite a bit in the lower levels, but the Yankees begin looking for real results once a player reaches Double-A and Triple-A. Mitchell is in the real results phase of his development.

SanchezGary Sanchez
Catcher
20 years old
Why he was added: Because he’s the best position prospect in the system. His offensive potential is high enough that Sanchez could be a viable big leaguer even if he has to move to first base or designated hitter, but his potential impact is fairly extreme if he’s able to stay behind the plate. Even though he’s not on the Yankees big league radar at the moment, some non-contender could have absolutely taken him in the Rule 5 and shown patience in hopes of an eventual payoff.
Short-term role: As I’ve written before, I don’t think the Brian McCann signing means the Yankees have to trade Sanchez. They could trade him if the return is significant, but by the time Sanchez is ready for the big leagues, McCann may be ready to move into a sort of C/1B/DH role. For the time being, Sanchez seems ticketed for Double-A in hopes that he continues to develop both behind the plate and at the plate. With Austin Romine and J.R. Murphy also on the 40-man, I’m not even sure Sanchez is a strong September call-up candidate in 2014.
Long-term role: Well, considering he’s the best position prospect in the system, the long-term role could be fairly significant. In a best-case world, Sanchez is able to stay behind the plate while emerging as a middle-of-the-order run producer. He could yet another of the franchise’s offensive-minded catchers. He’s still young, though, and at times he’s shown some maturity issues. The Yankees, though, seem happy with his 2013 progress. It’s worth remembering that Sanchez is still just a kid, but he’s also becoming advanced enough that a big league job could be his within a couple of years or so. Has to progress, though.

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210 Responses to “The Yankees 40-man roster additions”

  1. Jerkface November 27th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    I dont know why they protected Campos, since it would have been very unlikely for him to stick on anyones roster.

  2. joeman November 27th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    Joeman-

    I guess you don’t believe they’ll go over
    ———————————————————–
    my thoughts if they sign Cano they go over

  3. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Stewart can definitely be DFA’ed.

    We have plenty of excellent young relievers so Daley can disappear too.

    If they get Infante Nix is history.

    I wouldn’t cut Flores, or Marshall.

  4. blake November 27th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Jerkface says:
    November 27, 2013 at 2:17 pm
    I dont know why they protected Campos, since it would have been very unlikely for him to stick on anyones roster.

    Eh I don’t know about that

  5. yankee21 November 27th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Everyone makes logical sense except for Campos.

    I would have protected Kahnle (SP?) or Burawa or Whitley in his place.

    Cashman should have to answer for that decision.

  6. yankee21 November 27th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Stewart and Nix shouldn’t be near any 40 man roster right now, I really hope they are not on NY’s.

  7. jacksquat November 27th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Why not protect Campos? He’s one of our best prospects and some of the other guys who were protected aren’t ready for the major leagues either.

  8. ac1 November 27th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    I agree no way Campos is ready for the Majors, so no way he isn’t returned to NY……

  9. mick November 27th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    “They [Cano's people] came down a little bit, but the move was so minuscule it hardly qualifies as a move,” said the source, who added that Cano’s reps said they have “many offers” from other teams. According to published reports, Cano is seeking a 10-year deal worth $310 million; the Yankees are believed to have offered seven years at approximately $160 million.
    =======================================================
    Doesn’t look promising…

  10. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Infante is good generalized insurance.

  11. Jerkface November 27th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Why not protect Campos? He’s one of our best prospects and some of the other guys who were protected aren’t ready for the major leagues either.

    Campos has not pitched above low A. I just really doubt any team could hide him in their bullpen over the course of a year. I think he would be returned easily. Who are the other guys that you think aren’t major league ready? Because I think everyone else was more likely to sit on a roster somewhere. Gary Sanchez is probably the next least likely guy to actually stay on a roster the entire year but he is a catcher, our best prospect, and catchers in the MLB are trash so you could easily play him twice a month to keep him around.

  12. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    If Cano splits I hope he goes to the National League.

  13. mick November 27th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    that’s 31 per vs 23 per.
    10 vs 7 years.
    the compromise would be 8 1/2 / 235.
    8/200 should get it done.

    can see that being topped .

  14. mick November 27th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    mtu on the infante train…

  15. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Absolutely Mick.

    Big upgrade over Nix and very versatile.

  16. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    You on my Tanaka train Mick ?

  17. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Infante is like AFLAC.

    :)

  18. yankee21 November 27th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Campos as a 21 year old pitcher was limited in innings at A ball is much less likely to stick on a 25 man roster over a Burawa or Whitley or a Kahnle- all of whom have pitched at the AA level or higher.

    Without question if NY didn’t protect Sanchez or Heathcott they would have been plucked, I agree that Mitchell would not have been guarenteed to be selected but with his stuff- who knows?

    The standard MOI most franchises use is to protect players they value who would likely get plucked if not protected. I would argue Campos at the stage in his career does not yet fall in that bucket.

  19. mick November 27th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    def on the infante/tanaka train.

  20. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Good Mick.

    Good.

  21. mick November 27th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    i am wondering if this whole posting process thing is based on Tanaka wanting to play for the yankees.

    really not fair or true free agency to be sold to highest bidder. usually it’s the FA’s choice.

  22. Chad Jennings November 27th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2013 at 2:17 pm e

    I dont know why they protected Campos, since it would have been very unlikely for him to stick on anyones roster.

    With Campos and Mitchell both they clearly protected upside over short-term impact. Neither of those two has nearly as much chance of sticking as someone like Kahnle or Whitley or Burawa, but I guess the Yankees felt they couldn’t take the chance. I’m surprised they didn’t protect at least one of those relievers, though. I thought Whitley was nearly a lock.

  23. mick November 27th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    i might even be on the beltrain.

    not seeing hal going for big ticket ellsbury/ choo choo train.

  24. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Among the available outfielders :

    Grandy
    Beltran
    Choo
    Ellsbury

    Who do you prefer and why ?

  25. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    So GGBG, Soriano, Beltran, Ichiro, Wells, and Almonte ?

  26. wanzies222 November 27th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    MTU -

    Infante may want to be assured of ABs if he’s to sign with the NYY. He can get a job with KC or Toronto, or even Baltimore if they move Johnson.

    If he’s in NY, it looks like an overpay, so I’d guess 3/36, probably 3/30 elsewhere.

  27. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Infante is supposedly looking for 3/24.

    He made 4 mil last year.

    I’d offer him 6 per.

    That’s a 50% increase w 3 yrs. of security.

  28. yankee21 November 27th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    NY shouldn’t be dinking around with Cano- I hope they gave him their best offer and a deadline.

    I’d give him 6/150 or 7/161, if that isn’t good enough, and it likely isn’t, then those are the breaks and I’d be prepared to sign Choo and Infante.

    Let some other team make a contract mistake for a change.

    Enjoy LAD or WAS or DET or Mystery Team X, Robbie!

  29. blake November 27th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Get infante…. I’m with MTU ….covers you if Cano leaves and can play 3B or even a little SS if he doesn’t ….

  30. wanzies222 November 27th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    mick -

    Let’s say the NYY only sign one OF (Beltran) this OS…what do you do in 2015?

    Soriano – FA
    Ichiro – FA/DFA
    Wells – DFA
    Gardner – FA
    Beltran – 1-2 years left

    OF FA:

    Left fielders

    Melky Cabrera (30)
    Chris Denorfia (34)
    Brett Gardner (31)
    Jonny Gomes (34)
    Tony Gwynn Jr. (32)
    Scott Hairston (35)
    Ryan Ludwick (36) – $9MM mutual option with a $4.5MM buyout
    Seth Smith (32)
    Alfonso Soriano (39)
    Vernon Wells (36)
    Josh Willingham (36)

    Center fielders

    Emilio Bonifacio (30)
    Coco Crisp (35)
    Colby Rasmus (28)
    Denard Span (31) – $9MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Chris Young (31)

    Right fielders

    Norichika Aoki (33)
    Michael Cuddyer (36)
    Chris Denorfia (34)
    Scott Hairston (35)
    Torii Hunter (39)
    Nick Markakis (31) – $17.5MM mutual option; $2MM buyout if club declines
    Alex Rios (34) – $13.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Nate Schierholtz (31)
    Ichiro Suzuki (41)

  31. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Steve-

    He’s versatile enough that they probably could move him around to get him AB’s.

    No way I give him that kind of bread.

    Ridiculous.

    He only made 4 mil last year.

  32. yankee21 November 27th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    I don’t want Beltran. I did want Beltran before he got old.

    The Yankees need to think LT in regards to an OF option. Choo or Ellsbury can be a LT solution, Beltran cannot.

  33. wanzies222 November 27th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Infante is going to get 10 per. Nothing less, not with Peralta getting 4/53.

  34. mick November 27th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    if our OF is soriano, gardy and ???
    and money is no object
    i would want ellsbury to leadoff in CF and trade gardner.

    since sori is gone in 2015, i would want another and it would be choo or grandy.
    ideally choo w/ grandy more likely.

    beltran is a spare part that would wind up dhing…is 3 0f the 4 too greedy?

  35. wanzies222 November 27th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    MTU -

    His last year’s salary is irrelevant. Peralta’s was $6.

  36. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Steve-

    I’m not sure I’d go there.

    That’s a huge overpay.

    I had heard 3/24.

    Even that is double his previous salary.

  37. wanzies222 November 27th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    MTU –

    The market is what it is. Either you pay it or you don’t get the player(s) you want. I’m not advocating either way, just pointing out the facts.

  38. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Peralta wasn’t worth what he got either.

    Not even close.

  39. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Yes Steve.

    I’m not shooting the messenger.

    It’s just ugly.

  40. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    If that’s the case I’d rather go for the trade w the D’backs and take my chances.

    Get Owings and/or Davidson.

  41. mick November 27th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    the longer infante waits the higher his aav as they know he is a cano/arod replacement.
    if cano signs before then infante’s value goes down.
    I don’t know why we can’t sign cano or not before xmas, even tomorrow.
    he knows what his offers are. or not.
    they are waiting for the yanks final offer, just to top it elsewhere.

  42. wanzies222 November 27th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    MTU -

    You heard 3/24 at the same time that Peralta’s “projection” was 3/36.

  43. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    No wonder they are excited by Beltran.

    :(

  44. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Get Choo, Beltran, Infante, and Tanaka.

    Call it a day.

    That is if Cano moves on.

  45. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    And throw in Nathan to close it out.

    And get me one of the D’backs guys in trade.

  46. mick November 27th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    what about kuroda?
    and a closer.

  47. yankee21 November 27th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Given the predicament NY has gotten itself into, walking away from Cano is really tough to do.
    They really need his bat and his star power but they don’t need another bad 8-10 yr contract.

    Until NY demonstrates the resolve to not bid against themselves every FA is going to be expecting a king’s ransom to play for them. For a change, Hal needs to set a new standard and not budge in his offer to Cano.

    I doubt he will but I still have hope.

  48. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Kuroda is an automatic too.

    Got to have the Japanese duo.

  49. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    It’s cool if he doesn’t budge but he better get a BU plan in place beforehand.

    ;)

  50. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    I’ll be back.

    I have to bathe the pup.

  51. mick November 27th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    I still don’t think Hal wants to over and is counting on the arod suspension.
    If this is the case and he has to wait, he could lose out to other teams.
    He then cannot go after big tickets like choo or ellsbury.
    Guys like Beltran, Infante,Kuroda and Granderson won’t break his bank.
    That’s what I think happens.

  52. Chip November 27th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    I dont know why they protected Campos, since it would have been very unlikely for him to stick on anyones roster.
    ——————–

    Someone might have taken him in the minor league portion of the Rule 5 draft.

  53. Chip November 27th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    I think they wind up with Beltran on a 2 year deal worth $26 mil and a vesting option for a 3rd that takes it to $30 mil.

  54. Captain Clutch November 27th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    “They [Cano's people] came down a little bit, but the move was so minuscule it hardly qualifies as a move,” said the source, who added that Cano’s reps said they have “many offers” from other teams.
    ————-

    I would give Cano until the winter meetings and then it’s time to move on. This is one big game that is going to be played until January and the yanks have too many holes to fill and can’t play that game.

  55. Captain Clutch November 27th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN

    According to source, the $310M demand from Cano’s side remained until Tuesday, though it was lowered “very slightly.” Sides still far apart.

  56. mick November 27th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Jeter
    Beltran-DH
    Cano
    McCann
    Tex
    Soriano
    Granderson
    Infante-3B
    Gardner

    Circular.

  57. Chip November 27th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    The team I would look at for Cano is Seattle.

    They want to become not only relevant but also attractive to free agents. Given that the only real money on their team is Felix Hernandez, they could easily go 9 years and 27 per to Cano.

    It’s what the Mets did with Pedro, Nationals did with Werth, Yankees did with Key and Gallego.

  58. mick November 27th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Bench:

    Ryan
    Reynolds-1b/3b
    Cervelli
    Wells
    Ichiro

  59. blake November 27th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Got my peanut oil….ready to roll

  60. Yes You McCann November 27th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Campos could have stuck on any of the 5-10 teams that don’t have the ability or desire to compete next season.

    What’s the point of wasting 40 man roster spots on relievers? Relievers are fungible and are the only position the Yankees are able to successfully develop.

  61. Jerkface November 27th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Someone might have taken him in the minor league portion of the Rule 5 draft.

    Don’t think thats possible, Chip.

  62. mick November 27th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Cc, Nova, Kuroda, Tanaka, Phelps
    Nathan, DRob, Kelly, Cabral,Warren, Claiborne

  63. Jerkface November 27th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Theres basically no way Campos would not be on the reserve lists for the minor league portion.

  64. mick November 27th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Trade Nunez and Nix.

  65. mick November 27th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Or send Nunez down to play 3B every day.

  66. Yes You McCann November 27th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Enough of the journeyman devoid of skill. Start valuing skill and versatility over experience/age and versatility. Do not want to see Nix or Stewart next season.

  67. blake November 27th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    I think Nunez would be a good stunt double

  68. Chip November 27th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    My 2014 Yankees:

    Gardner – CF
    Jeter – SS
    Beltran – DH
    Cano – 2b
    Tex – 1b
    Soriano – LF
    McCann – C
    Reynolds – 3b
    Almonte – RF

    Bench: Ryan, Nunez, Wells, Cervelli

    Rotation:
    CC, Nova, Tanaka, Phelps, Pineda

    Pen: Betances, Warren, Robertson, Kelly, Claiborne, Cabral, Huff

  69. DaSaint007 November 27th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Announce the signing of Infante and either Beltran or Gardner.

  70. blake November 27th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Chip,
    Lot of risk in that rotation …..

  71. sammiejohnson November 27th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    “Trade Nunez and Nix.”

    And what kind of return are you expecting? Both have very little if any trade value.

  72. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Too much risk in that rotation Chip.

    Too many unknowns.

    Kuroda adds the needed certainty and insurance.

  73. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Blake beat me to the punch.

    :(

  74. Chip November 27th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Trade proposal:

    White Sox get: Ichiro
    Yankees get: Jeff Keppinger

    Both players were disappointing last year

    The White Sox save 2 million off of the difference in contracts and free up a spot for Connor Gillaspie to play everyday.

    Yankees get a decent 3b who can also play other positions on the field if needed.

  75. mick November 27th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Chip has McCann 7th-ng.

  76. Chip November 27th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Even if you sign Kuroda, there’s still risk in the rotation – his age, CC’s performance, Nova’s performance – it’s all risky.

  77. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Less risky that way Chip.

    I think the other is the 2008 Frankenstein experiment redux.

    JMO.

  78. mick November 27th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    My team beats Chip’s team ;)

  79. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Blake w the fried Turkey.

    :)

  80. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    I like your team better Mick.

  81. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    The 64,000 dollar question is whether or not Hal is going to blow thru 189.

    Some think he will. Some not.

    We are going to find out.

    It will be a lot easier if he is.

    I vote for that.

  82. Chip November 27th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    The problem with Mick’s team is Ichiro and Wells are still on it. Have to subtract one. Also the Yankees aren’t going with an 11 man pitching staff because it goes against Girardi’s nature. It’s going to be hard enough for GI Joe to give up Stew and Nixy, giving up Stew, Nixy and a 12th pitcher may be a bridge too far.

  83. mick November 27th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    You have to assume he won’t MTU.

  84. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Wells is free.

    They can do whatever they want w him.

  85. Chip November 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    MTU –

    I think he will. I think if the Yankees had snuck into the playoffs this past season he would have stuck at 189 – but with missing the post season and it looking more and more like Alex is going to miss 2014 I think Hal’s ready to spend the money.

  86. mick November 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Chip
    All lineups and rosters are subject to change.
    This was my choice not Joe’s.

  87. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    That would be the safe bet Mick.

    It goes w previous behavior.

    It satisfies the skeptic.

    I prefer a different outcome.

  88. Chip November 27th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Let me put it another way – I think Hal and Cashman are operating under the assumption that Alex’s money is there to spend. I think that if something goes wonky and he’s not suspended and they’ve committed too much money to get under $189 they’ll say screw it and move along.

  89. UpState November 27th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Rule 5 draft:

    When ?

    Is there a MLB & also a MiLB draft ?

  90. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    I want the Yankees to be the Yankees again.

    At least for one season.

    Let’s kick some a*s.

    ;)

  91. mick November 27th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    The problem with Chip’s team is that he has no backup for Drob.
    Betances and Huff are not essential.
    Nathan can act the Soriano 2012 role and be there if ready.
    If Drob can’t handle the pressure then Nathan will be ready.

  92. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    I want Nathan.

    Insurance.

    More AFLAC.

    ;)

  93. UpState November 27th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Chip November 27th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    Let me put it another way – I think Hal and Cashman are operating under the assumption that Alex’s money is there to spend. I think that if something goes wonky and he’s not suspended and they’ve committed too much money to get under $189 they’ll say screw it and move along.
    ==================

    That sounds like a very reasonable plan that the FO is working under currently.

    (obviously – subject to change)

  94. mick November 27th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    That would be the safe bet Mick.
    =====================
    You know who’s out there, get them all then.
    Working within the 189 is more fun and creative.

  95. mick November 27th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Infante/Reynolds > Reynolds/Nunez.

  96. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Mick-

    Perhaps, but it is less effective.

    We can build an absolute barn burner with who’s out there.

    McCann was a great get.

    Let’s finish the job and get what we really need.

    :)

  97. mick November 27th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Start the season with Jeter leading off.
    Gardner won’t be running with this team anyway.

  98. luis November 27th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Good afternoon guys and happy thanksgiving to all,

    Chip,

    I like your rotation.

    MTU,

    If they don’t blow the 189 mil budget now, they are even more clueless than I ever thought they’ll be.

    Again, I would rather have gone through a rebuilding process. But with our current FO, the spending route seems the most logical. I simply don’t trust them to handle such a delicate process.

  99. UpState November 27th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    mick November 27th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
    Infante/Reynolds > Reynolds/Nunez.
    =====================================

    There’s a 4 mile wide chasm between these 2 options…

  100. mick November 27th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Let’s finish the job and get what we really need.
    ============================
    do we really need choo, ellsbury and beltran? :)

  101. Jerkface November 27th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    When ?

    Is there a MLB & also a MiLB draft ?

    At the winter meetings in Dec. Players who were signed/drafted 3-4 years ago must be put on the 40 man roster or be eligible to be taken by other teams. They must be kept on the 25 man roster for the entire year or be returned to the starting team.

    There is a minor league variant as well but you never get anything good in it since its players not on the AA or AAA reserve lists which are huge.

  102. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Maybe we should swap GGBG w Ellsbury then because he sure as sh*t will.

    :)

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    THX, JF !

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    How is Pineda opening the season as the 5th starter.
    Impractical.

    Get Kiroda back.

  105. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    No Mick but 2 of them would be nice.

    And so would keeping Cano in fold.

  106. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Heck.

    Grandy and Beltran would be just fine.

  107. UpState November 27th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    There is a minor league variant as well but you never get anything good in it since its players not on the AA or AAA reserve lists which are huge.
    ===================

    So in the MiLB version –

    you can claim an “A” level player; but he must remain on your 25 man roster all year ?

  108. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    2 new OF’ers (any combo of Grandy, Beltran,Choo, Kemp, or Ellsbury)
    Cano
    Infante as SU
    Kuroda and Tanaka
    Nathan
    Gregorius, Owings, Davidson, Olt, or Castro.

    See I’m easy.

    :)

  109. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Pineda is a ?

    The best you could hope for from him is half a season.

    He’s a piggy back guy only.

  110. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    The 4:31 team gets you # 29.

    In a runaway.

  111. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    A deadly lineup and world class pitching w. depth.

    No one is touching it.

  112. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    It also makes Hal a mint.

    ;)

  113. luis November 27th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    MTU,

    Pineda is the x factor IMO… Still, you have plenty of depth in Nuno, Warren and Marshall… Not to mention Banuelos and probably Green and Turley.

    Although I do think that having Kuroda would be a plus, especially in his mentor role to Tanaka… But I rather throw those millions on the bid for Tanaka.

  114. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Luis-

    We need both. Hand-in-glove. Horse-and-cart. You get the idea.

    Pineda cannot be counted for anything more than a half season and that would be pretty fortunate.

    The other possibilities carry too much risk.

    If you don’t pair Kuroda w Tanaka then you need another stabilizer.

    I don’t prefer it but Colon would be an example.

    You can’t go w as many question marks as you suggested.

    It is not likely to work.

    Too many unknowns. That has to be cut back.

  115. Jerkface November 27th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    So in the MiLB version –

    you can claim an “A” level player; but he must remain on your 25 man roster all year ?

    No the MILB one is drafted for the minor league teams, not the major league one. Basically you will never get a top prospect in the minor league version.

  116. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Luis-

    I love Mexican food.

    I want the whole enchilada Amigo.

    I’m as hungry as I am thirsty.

    :)

  117. mick November 27th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    On one hand some want to blow thru 189 yet on the other they want to rebuild.
    Can’t have it both ways…

  118. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Luis-

    You don’t do Thanksgiving down there so I’m hoping you’ll be around to keep me company tomorrow.

    It’s going to be quiet out this way so I’ll have plenty of time to talk.

    :)

  119. luis November 27th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    MTU,

    What the hell… Let’s get them all! ;)

  120. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    You are right Mick.

    They are essentially incompatible.

    I prefer the better Team but it isn’t my money.

    I like to dream big.

    :)

  121. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Luis-

    Now if we can just convince Hal !

    :)

  122. luis November 27th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Yes MTU.. I’ll be around if work allows it ;)

  123. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Good Luis.

    I’ll look for ya’.

    Any other stragglers are welcome too.

    :)

  124. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Most will be on a Tryptophan and alcohol high though.

    Or will be snoozing on the couch.

    Or they’ll be watching the Cowgirls play.

    :)

  125. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    No break for me this yr.

    24 x 7 non-stop hotstove.

    I’ve got a Team to build.

    :)

  126. luis November 27th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    MTU,

    There were clearly to paths to go about. They chose spending and retooling over rebuilding and going under 189. That doesn’t mean that they can’t spend smartly… Filling areas of need at the most reasonable price and saving where they can…. Again, staying in the middle is the worst case scenario… So they better assemble a championship caliber team…

  127. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    I hope they do Luis.

    But doubt remains at the moment as to whether they are actually going to go over or not.

    That doubt should be resolved fairly soon and we’ll know one way or the other.

    :)

  128. MTU November 27th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    And I ask you this.

    Why are you working when you be hangin’ out with me and having fun instead ?

    You really need to get your priorities in order.

    There is a new one ———>

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