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Black Friday shopping with the Yankees

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’ve never participated in the whole Black Friday thing. I’ve never stood outside of Best Buy at midnight and never flooded into Target with a list of potential bargains. But I think it understand the general premise. Good stuff relatively cheap, correct?

Most of the players connected to the Yankees this offseason are going to be anything but cheap. Robinson Cano, Carlos Beltran and Masahiro Tanaka are going to require significant spending, but at some point, the Yankees are surely going to look for some smaller contracts to fill smaller holes.

On this day of discount shopping, here are a few smaller-ticket items that the Yankees might be in the market for this winter.

Mark ReynoldsCorner infielder
The Yankees aren’t really in a position to spend big money on a third baseman, because they’re not sure yet whether they need a third baseman. And, frankly, none of the available third basemen seem to be worth a significant investment. That said, the Yankees know Alex Rodriguez is likely to be suspended for at least part of the season, and even if he’s not, they’re going to need someone to fill in at third base from time to time. Eduardo Nunez, David Adams and Brendan Ryan are in-house possibilities, but at some point the Yankees might be in the market for a veteran with some power, maybe someone who’s fallen through the offseason cracks and suddenly stands out as a buy-low option. Mark Reynolds perhaps? We’ve already seen them grab a few utility types to provide minor league depth.

Left-handed reliever
Cesar Cabral is on the roster, but he’s hardly a sure thing, and David Huff could be a prime non-tender candidate. Having lost Boone Logan to free agency, the Yankees have an obvious place for a left-handed reliever, and they could try to find a bargain in a guy who’s a strict left-on-left specialist. There seems to be a decent chance the Yankees will spend more heavily on a late-inning option — either a potential closer, or a new setup man to let Dave Robertson move into the ninth inning — but the bullpen has enough holes to be worth looking for a few more relief options to at least compete for jobs in spring training and perhaps provide minor league depth during the year. A lefty would be a welcome addition.

Backup center fielder
This isn’t a must-have, but it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. Without Curtis Granderson, the Yankees center field depth hinges on Ichiro Suzuki and Zoilo Almonte (and maybe Adonis Garcia if he’s productive in Triple-A). Even if the Yankees sign Carlos Beltran, that’s a guy who’s started just seven games in center field the past three years. It’s hardly a given that Ichiro and/or Almonte will be productive enough to be worth a roster spot all year, and what if Gardner goes down in spring training? Could Ichiro or Almonte actually play center field every day in Yankee Stadium for a while? Some sort of fringy but experienced center fielder might give the Yankees some insurance.

A power hitter
Defensive position is a secondary concern. At this point, it seems possible the Yankees will head into spring training without an everyday designated hitter, which might be necessary with this roster of position players who could use a few DH days now and then. But it might also seem like an opportunity to some veteran hitter who has power and needs an opportunity to make a team. Maybe it’s a Lyle Overbay-type who might agree to a minor league contract in the hope of playing well in spring training and winning some platoon at-bats. Whether the Yankees have room for a guy like this might depend on their expectations for guys like Nunez, Ichiro and Vernon Wells, but a veteran hitter might be see this roster construction it as an opportunity to out-hit the other options and force his way into the mix.

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86 Responses to “Black Friday shopping with the Yankees”

  1. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Hope your Thanksgiving was a good one Chad.

    The Yankees are one place where leftovers from the Holiday just won’t do.

    Hal needs to finish what he started.

    ;)

  2. blake November 29th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    My sister in law made a from scratch apple pie yesterday that I can’t stop thinking about…..when apple pie is done right and accompanied by a scoop of ice cream ….. Nothing is better

  3. blake November 29th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    It’s very ironic that the greediest day of the year follows the day where we are supposed to be thankful for what we have

  4. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Blake-

    Yes. It is.

    But life is filled with it.

    ;)

  5. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    I hope the Yankees are in the process of building a better mousetrap.

    Rather than just another Rube Goldberg machine.

    ;)

  6. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Humbleberry pie suits me just fine.

    :)

  7. blake November 29th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    MTU,

    There are a few OF options but I think we can agree that they should probably sign Infante

  8. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Blake-

    Oh yeah.

    Prices are really inflated though.

    That part sucks.

  9. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    It’s a good thing I never quit my day job or I would have definitely been a starving artist.

    With special emphasis on the starving part.

    :(

  10. JCPD November 29th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    OK Mike, winter for sure isn’t my favorite time of year, but it sure brings for some good photo ops….here’s a collection of favorites through the years…… maybe these shots will force the Yanks to turn the heat up!!

    https://picasaweb.google.com/105244848673673377679/WinterFavorites?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ7q3-abv6z4cA

  11. austinmac November 29th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    JCPD,

    Great photos. They make me want to get back under the blanket. Not a bad thing on a holiday.

  12. JCPD November 29th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Glad you enjoyed them Mac. Was enjoying my three days off until work just called and told me no one did the food order. Great, interrupt my day. LOL

  13. austinmac November 29th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    JCPD,
    Don’t you hate it when work interrupts. As The Jerk said “I just want the stuff”.

  14. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Jim-

    I’m heading out soon.

    I’ll have a patient look at them later.

    Thanks for sharing them.

    They just opened up a new “Wingers” hereabouts.

    ;)

  15. JCPD November 29th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Mike, I saw they did…..hey, you never know. Yes Mac, work loves to interrupt me quite often.

  16. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    This OS the pieces are definitely out there for the Yankees to be able build a world-class Team.

    Let’s see if Hal follows thru after the nice start w McCann.

    ;)

  17. wanzies222 November 29th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Greetings all. Hope the day was kind to you.

    Great post, Chad. It really points out the deficiencies of the NYY’s roster. The chasm between even a pumped up roster (add 6-8 FA) is still huge. An injury to any of the starters puts them in the same predicament as last year.

    The more one thinks about it and the more one looks at the 2015 FA market, the more one concludes that the following are absolutes for this OS:

    1) OF (I’ll opt for Ellsbury, Kemp and Beltran. I want 4 OF so that each one gets a day off/week)
    2) 2 SP (preferably Kuroda/Tanaka)
    3) Super util (see: Infante)
    4) 2 RP (Logan, Mujica, Nathan, Balfor)
    5) Bench depth (lose Wells and Ichiro and add Reynolds, McGehee, etc.)
    6) Trade for organizational depth (see: D’backs, Cubs, Twins, Mariners farms)
    7) Be aggressive in the IFA market (Yenier Bello, Yoon Suk-Min, Oh Seung-Hwan, Erisbel Arruebarruena at a minimum).

    It’s now or never to rebuild this roster for the future. The missteps of the past are just that… the past. Time to fix it.

  18. wanzies222 November 29th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    And it goes w/o saying, that Cano is a Yankee for life. I’ve never thought anything different.

  19. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Steve-

    Likewise.

    “Time to fix it.”

    +1

  20. blake November 29th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    I like it Wanzies…..convince Hal!

  21. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    The Yankees are not going to be able to complete the necessary fixes with just some of A-rod’s money.

    And what’s left over from attrition from last year.

  22. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Cano will cost at least 25 Mil per.

    Maybe his contract can be creatively structured to help satisfy both parties ?

  23. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Yanks should move on Infante now.

    Before they lose him.

    To me he’s a key piece of the puzzle.

    Unfortunately, he’ll be another overpay.

  24. wanzies222 November 29th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    MTU -

    As I’ve said all along, the 189 Plan is valid, just not in 2014. The math doesn’t work. At all.

    Totally illogical to think it would’ve. Not with all the HUGE dead money on the roster. In 2017, the only large contracts that should still be on the books will be McCann, Ellsbury, Cano, Kemp and Arod – total maybe 110M. Add 40-50 for the pitching staff and you’re at 150 ish. The newest CBA will go into effect in 2017, when the LT threshold will increase substantially (too many teams that are not the NYY are too close to it already).

    2017 is the new 2014.

  25. wanzies222 November 29th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    MTU -

    Who cares if it’s an overpay? You shouldn’t. I sure as spit don’t.

  26. 86w183 November 29th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Morning all —-

    It appears wanzies222 is going for a payroll of $ 289 M.

    I don’t want elite players taking a day off every week. That’s 26 missed games. With what they are getting paid a game off a MONTH is plenty.

    i agree adding Cano, Kuroda, Tanaka, Ellsbury and Beltran would make the 2014 team better. It’ll also cost at least $ 80 M AAV to make it happen…. and probably more.

  27. wanzies222 November 29th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    86 –

    To each his own, but this is still an old team. They need days off. Period.

  28. Ys Guy November 29th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    for that money we can probably clone ruth dimaggio and mantle.

  29. wanzies222 November 29th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    And you’re right, it’s about 350 with tax. Oh well. Should’ve rebuilt the team in past years. Not my problem.com

  30. roxy1 November 29th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    At some point (now?) you have to stop the madness.

    Cano – Ellsbury – McCann will become the future dead weight version of Tex- CC- Arod.

    Don’t repeat the too many years, too much money cycle!

  31. austinmac November 29th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    The team must choose between winning and losing. Not adding several additional free agents will not result in a decent team. Too many huge holes with no other means to fill them.

  32. mick November 29th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    There will always be new FA’s to acquire.
    Saying by 2017 all big contracts will be gone is a fallacy.
    They need a f/t SS, how much would Hanley Ramirez cost in 2015?
    Who knows what other needs will arise?
    Hal wants to do it now and I think he will.
    Not saying I love it, just trying to be objective.

  33. 86w183 November 29th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Kemp, Ellsbury and Gardner aren’t “old”.

    I don’t consider 30 old… 35 maybe, but not 30. The “old” Yanks are Ichiro and Wells, who you threw out plus Soriano, Jeter and A-Rod who may be in baseball prison all year.

  34. mick November 29th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Will Joba’s tweets be removed once he is?

  35. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Steve-

    It’s not my money so I don’t really care.

    Just making the statement of fact that in this market guys like Infante will yield inflated prices.

    I want him. Solves a ton of potential problems and provides insurance.

  36. mick November 29th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    It’s not my money so I don’t really care.
    ===========================
    So you don’t care that Arod got all his money and is preventing them from going after the high priced FA’s they need?

  37. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Mick-

    A-rod is a thing of the past.

    I choose not to dwell on the past.

    I try to keep my eyes firmly fixed on the future.

    I’m willing to let the authorities dish out his punishment.

    I really don’t even like talking about him.

    My only interest is how much money will be saved by his suspension.

    Too many people screw themselves into the ground worrying about him IMO.

    ;)

  38. Ys Guy November 29th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    arod will still be getting paid in 2017 an mccan will be in his 4th year here and likely making $17M to be a backup catcher. We dont know what cano will be making, probably $25M and he’ll be 36, so not likely to be a #3 hitter.

  39. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    And Mick-

    A-Rod is going to, or shouldn’t, stop anything.

    The Yankees are the richest sports Franchise in all of baseball.

    If he does it’s because Hal let’s him. He’s becoming less and less relevant by the day.

    ;)

  40. Ys Guy November 29th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    arod the player is finished,whether he ever plays again or not.
    arod the contract is the gift that just keeps taking and taking and taking.

  41. mick November 29th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    I remember when Big Stein blew everybody out of the water with his spending.
    I look at the Dodgers now who are doing the same.
    Doesn’t guarantee anything.
    In Fact, when they do lose it makes it even worse.
    Just get the right guys, hope the pitching stays healthy, and get the missing piece or two each season as the need arises.

  42. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Mick-

    There are some very good players out there this season who can fill lot’s of future holes ?

    Why not grab ‘em while they’re available ?

    A bird in the hand ……

    ;)

  43. mick November 29th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Never said they shouldn’t.

  44. yankee21 November 29th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    If NYY gave Cano their best offer and a deadline, NY can relax and move forward on other options if the deadline lapses without Cano’s camp coming to reality.

    When a team becomes desperate for a player is when they will make bad moves.
    For a change NY needs to learn from their mistakes and move on. If that includes bidding adieu to Cano then so be it.

    There are other options.

  45. Frank Leja November 29th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    The incessant campaigning for Nunez and Reynolds is wearing thin. Neither adds much if anything to the 2014 Yankees. You’re stuck on them, but hopefully the Yankees’ front office isn’t.

  46. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    OK.

    A-Rod is a bad contract.

    Now let’s move on from there.

    How much money did the Yankees basically write off for American Idle, and for Sunglasses ?

    They are better positioned to deal with risk than just about any Team on the Planet.

    They shouldn’t stop taking them.

    ;)

  47. mick November 29th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    So you are in favor of a 500m payroll, if need be?

  48. RhapsodyInBlue November 29th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    MTU

    Sound take on the Arod situation. I agree besides I’ve already made my feeling known, it is a nauseous subject that will take care of itself.

    I’m more concerned about who we bring into the fold in the coming days and months, the future of our team.

  49. blake November 29th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Don’t repeat the too many years, too much money cycle!”

    The spending money plan brought 5 titles and making the playoffs for like 17 of 18 seasons……it works.

  50. mick November 29th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Money is ruining baseball.
    The quality of play has gone down.
    Players get their money and it effects their play at some point.
    Look at the dearth of superstars compared to when we were youths.
    The product is diluted .

  51. RhapsodyInBlue November 29th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Tampa spent 62 mil. this past season on payroll we ended the season behind them. 500 m is a bit high, but we are the Yankees, GS looked at it as putting money back into the organization and more importantly fannies in the seats.

  52. RhapsodyInBlue November 29th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    mick,

    That is not the fault of the NY Yankees. We were more successful before free agency the cap, revenue sharing.

    This is the route MLB embarked on we are only playing within the system.

  53. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Mick-

    I’m in favor of building a championship Team to bring us our next ring.

    How they choose to do that is not up to me.

    I’m just saying that there are a lot of good opportunities out there this season.

    McCann started the ball rolling. I hope Hal finishes the job.

    People may differ in what it takes to get there.

    I try to be open to both sides.

    I prefer the stronger Team. That’s all. It’s Hal’s money not mine.

    Let’s see what he chooses to do.

    :)

  54. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    I’m hoping the interest in Beltran is because he’s a better financial compliment to Ellsbury or Choo. We need 2 OF and they maybe don’t want to commit to both Ellsbury and Choo.

    So Beltran + Ellsbury would be my first choice.

    With Beltran doing alot of the things Choo does, Ellsbury is the better compliment skillwise.

  55. RhapsodyInBlue November 29th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    We just need to spend wisely which is the general consensus of this blog.

  56. blake November 29th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    The system in baseball is set up now to penalize teams that spend money so much that they either have to keep spending money to get players or they have to tear it all down at some point and regroup……

  57. Ys Guy November 29th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    blake, who was playing out the back end of a bloated contract when they won those 5 WS? (besides igawa). and what was the charge for going over the LT threshold then?

  58. mick November 29th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    GS was a failure for the most part.
    I’m sure you remember the day he was suspended and that received a standing O at the Stadium.
    When they won under him, it was b/c he got the right players like Reggie and Catfish from a winning team like the A’s.
    There were others who were not superstars that won for them.
    Guys like Rivers, Pinella, Nettles. etc…
    A smart GM is more important than having the most money.

  59. austinmac November 29th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    I don’t see planning a roster based on the Dodgers not signing Hanley. Same for Kershaw.

    Not signing good players is not rebuilding. It is regressing.

  60. Ys Guy November 29th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    no offense guys, nobody likes to talk about the arod contract, but they are currently in negotiations with another player on a HUMONGOUS contract that could well take him to his age 40 season, WHILE they are still looking at paying off $100M on arod.

    it is relevent even though you don’t want to revisit it.

  61. 86w183 November 29th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    mick —-

    Couldn’t agree more. big spending guarantees nothing. Yanks had the highest payroll in baseball last season and for most of the past decade.

    SMART spending is the key. I think signing Brian McCann was a smart contract. I don’t think giving Carlos Beltran $ 45 M over three years would be.

    I think Infante is going to insist on an every day job. He’s coming off a career year, so why would he settle for some potential “super utility” role?

  62. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    And no I do not favor a payroll anything like that.

    But spending like we did before the self-imposed austerity might get me what I prefer.

    But that is up to Hal and co.

    I am very happy we got McCann.

    Let’s keep it going.

    Infante and Beltran next.

    Then Kuroda and Tanaka.

    Hopefully Cano.

    Maybe a 2nd OF’er.

    A guy like Nathan.

    ;)

  63. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Hanley Ramirez in 2015.

    Jacoby Ellsbury
    Robinson Cano
    Hanley Ramirez

    Pretty nice core in their prime years.

  64. RhapsodyInBlue November 29th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    I disagree with your opinion of GS.

    In totality looking at his numbers comparing those numbers with those of his peers he was without rival.

    We can debate who within the organization was more responsible for that success however whoever it was received a paycheck signed by GS.

  65. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    I forgot McCann

    Jacoby Ellsbury
    Robinson Cano
    Hanley Ramirez
    Brian McCann

    Nice young core

  66. blake November 29th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    November 29, 2013 at 11:13 am
    blake, who was playing out the back end of a bloated contract when they won those 5 WS? (besides igawa). and what was the charge for going over the LT threshold then?

    That’s not the point….the point is that they kept spending money to replenish the talent pool……which you have to do when you win and have a big payroll. They stopped doing that about 3 years ago and eventually they got old…..

  67. mick November 29th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    This is the route MLB embarked on we are only playing within the system.
    ==========
    RIB

    What does it tell you when Hal was the architect for the new CBA?
    I’m sure he wants to win but win wisely and not just throw money at everything.
    I don’t believe he’s going to break the bank and will stick to the plan this year.
    I hope it works.

  68. blake November 29th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Jacoby Ellsbury
    Robinson Cano
    Hanley Ramirez
    Brian McCann

    Nice young core”

    Id say more a Middle Aged core ;). 30 is old again in baseball

  69. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Jacoby Ellsbury
    Robinson Cano
    Hanley Ramirez
    Brian McCann

    Tanaka
    Nova
    Pineda
    Banuelos
    Depaula

  70. RhapsodyInBlue November 29th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    The thing you should remember about GS was despite his (many) failures in the free agency market he was never afraid to go back to the well.

  71. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Maybe toss in Chase Headley in his prime

    Jacoby Ellsbury
    Robinson Cano
    Hanley Ramirez
    Brian McCann
    Chase Headley

    More cyclical like the 90′s teams

  72. yankee21 November 29th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    It is amazing to me that NY has a managing partner in Hal Steinbrenner who has been fixated on cost cutting and tax savings for several years and willingly agreed to the new CBA that would force him to tie his hands behind his back and pay a huge penalty if NY continued to spend as they used to.

    Yet, at the same time Steinbrenner continues to carry Newman who has been in charge of minor league player development and Cashman who committed to building a minor league system that would have been the primary means to enable Hal to reduce cost and save on luxury tax and they have absolutely failed in that responsibility. And that seems to be no problem to this owner.

    It just boggles my mind.

  73. Ys Guy November 29th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    the problem is the way people argue about GMS. yes he owned the team when they won the last 5 WS.

    but when people mention “what would george have done” they arent talking about owning the team from the background and letting gene michael run the organization.

    they are talking about george being out in front, wining and dining FAs, signing the biggest name on the market just about every year. that was Georges way.

    George’s way wansnt particularly susccessful (2 WS wins).

    but George as the owner does get and deserve credit for all the championships won during his ownership.

  74. mick November 29th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Most Yankee fans hated GS when he was not winning anything other than 76-78 when
    Reggie put them over the top.

  75. Ted Nelson November 29th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    I like the premise of the article. Clever. All areas where they probably at least bring someone in on a minor league deal.

    They’ve already been hitting the bargain bin, really, at least to start bringing in minor league depth. Obviously Brendan Ryan. They added Dean Anna to the 40-man. Signed Yamaico Navarro. They added minor league depth at 3B and CF between Zelous Wheeler and Antoan Richardson.

  76. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Got to respect an owner who was willing to put his money where his mouth was.

    He knew that it took money to make money.

    Not so sure his Son grasps that one.

    I hope whatever his approach is it works. Jury is still out on that one.

    ;)

  77. RhapsodyInBlue November 29th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    I never hated GS, didn’t care for all of the internal bickering between he and players and managers but I also never forgot the CBS years.

    I miss George calling out his players, his desire to win.

  78. yankee21 November 29th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    GMS had flaws, we all do. He was no saint, and his constant meddling messed up this franchise for years.

    However, there are three things even his staunchest critics have to admit to though; he had a passion to win, backed up that passion with his fortune, and wanted NY fans to have the best.

  79. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    RIB-

    His passion for baseball and winning was unquestioned.

    His style ?

    Well ……..

    But I believe the Man had a big heart under all that bluntness.

    Anyone can get off the rails now and then.

    ;)

  80. 86w183 November 29th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Hal spent more money last year than any owner in the history of MLB.

    Criticize HOW he spends money all you want, I certainly have. But when you talk about him being cheap, or cutting back on spending for years you are either being ignorant or intentionally dishonest.

    The Boss spent the Yankees into a laughing stock 1982-94 signing players who didn’t fill needs and didn’t fit NYC just to do so.

  81. MTU November 29th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Time for me to hit the trail.

    Hike day.

    Catch all of you later.

    :)

  82. yankee21 November 29th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    When was the last time Hal Steinbrenner attended a Yankee game?

    Has he ever?

    When was the last time he met and had interaction with real fans? Has he ever?

  83. mick November 29th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    The days of the Bronx Zoo were great fun.
    Theater of the Absurd type fun.
    He did save them from CBS.
    George was looked at as a buffoon back then and has gained respect from a new generation who did not witness his antics and missed the 80′s as well.
    They should thank god for Jeter, Bernie, Mo , Posada and Andy.
    Guys they did not have to acquire thru free agency.

  84. Ys Guy November 29th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    i’ve been pretty supportive of most of the FO. at least compared to many on here.

    but not shaking up the FO over time, and especially this offseason, was a big mistake, imo.

    it sent the wrong message throughout the organization, it says that failure is ok. especially in drafing/player development.

    it makes me wonder if hal is too timid to be in charge.

  85. RhapsodyInBlue November 29th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    mick

    Bernie and Mo were signed as free agents.

  86. Ted Nelson November 29th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    “but not shaking up the FO over time, and especially this offseason, was a big mistake, imo.
    it sent the wrong message throughout the organization, it says that failure is ok. especially in drafing/player development.”

    Not sure that you want to create a culture where any mistake, whether your fault or not and regardless of how good you are at your job, gets you fired.

    Contrary to popular belief, the Yankees farm system turned out a ton of talent from 2005-11. They traded a lot of it for proven veterans, but they cranked out a couple of MLB performers a year. This included a total star (Cano), above average starters at a premium position (Gardner and AJax… Melky has had his moments too), a few mid-to-front end SPs (Wang, IPK, Nova, and even Hughes for a couple of seasons), one of the best RPs in MLB (DRob)… That’s all you can realistically expect from a farm system.

    It’s been two bad years. Years that were likely exacerbated by injuries. If Pineda and Banuelos don’t get hurt, the rotation situation might look anywhere from a little to a lot different. Adams, Romine, and Heathcott don’t get hurt in the past and they might have been able to contribute in 2013. (Romine and Adams had very little AAA experience when called up and might have been better prepared without the lost development time.) They might have a top CF prospect to dangle in trades if Ravel Santana doesn’t get hurt. Of course injuries occur in every farm system, but bad vs. good injury luck can absolutely be the difference between a very productive and very unproductive system over a couple of seasons.

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