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State of the Yankees at the end of November

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 30, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Last day of November, the Winter Meetings are a little more than a week away, and the Yankees are still waiting for a few key issues to resolve themselves. They’ve made one huge splash, given themselves a few options and shortstop, and made it clear that they’re open for business with money to spend (for the moment anyway). Here’s the state of the Yankees, position by position, as we prepare to head into December.

CATCHER
Biggest upgrade possible
The Yankees made their first offseason splash by signing Brian McCann to a five-year deal. That’s a potent left-handed hitter at a position that was previous filled by a series of defense-first options. Hard to imagine a single-position upgrade more significant than this one.

FIRST BASE
Still strengthening
No real change here, and there probably won’t be a significant change. Mark Teixeira is still under contract, and still working his way back from last season’s wrist surgery. It’s going to be several months before we know the true state of the Yankees at first base. Depends entirely on Teixeira’s ability to be a productive hitter again.

SECOND BASE
Still waiting
The Yankees remain in negotiations with Robinson Cano, who’s the best player on the free agent market and apparently wants to be treated that way. No other serious bidder has emerged, and the Yankees have made it clear they want to re-sign Cano. It’s just a matter of finding a contract that satisfies each side. If not, then onto the complete mystery of Plan B.

Alex RodriguezTHIRD BASE
The circus continues
Alex Rodriguez’s appeal hearing is finished, but he’s still waiting for a judgment from the arbitrator. It might be a while before we have any idea whether Rodriguez will play next season. Unless you count some utility types, the Yankees have not signed anyone to replace him just in case.

SHORTSTOP
Handful of options
Derek Jeter was given an unexpected new one-year contract, meanwhile Brendan Ryan was signed for two years with an option for a third. Oh, and Eduardo Nunez is still in this mix somewhere. Jeter says he fully expects to play the position next year. The Yankees have said the same, but they’re clearly preparing for an alternative.

LEFT FIELD
One more year
When the Yankees traded for Alfonso Soriano, it wasn’t a half-season rental. They have Soriano under contract for 2014 as well, and left field is his. It seems unlikely there will be any movement here.

CENTER FIELD
One last year
This is Brett Gardner’s final year of arbitration, which means he’s eligible for free agency next winter. With Curtis Granderson gone, the Yankees really have no other center field option, so the job is Gardner’s barring a surprising roster move.

Ichiro SuzukiRIGHT FIELD
Under construction
The Yankees have Ichiro Suzuki and Vernon Well, but they also have shown no indication that they’re satisfied with that underwhelming veteran platoon situation. Carlos Beltran emerged as an early offseason target, and the Yankees remain heavily in the mix to sign Beltran to what is likely a two- or three-year deal.

DESIGNATED HITTER
Up for grabs
The Yankees have made no moves toward securing a full-time DH. If they’re going to sign someone to plug into this role, it could very well be a cheap option who’s brought into spring training to compete for at-bats. For now, it looks like a revolving door of veterans.

ROTATION
Keep us posted
The Yankees want to go after Masahiro Tanaka, but he’s not exactly available right now. While MLB tries to sort out changes to the Japanese posting system, the Yankees have to wait for their top pitching target. They’re also waiting for a decision from Hiroki Kuroda. Aside from those two, the Yankees have not been seriously linked to any starting pitcher.

BULLPEN
D-Rob until further notice
Mariano Rivera has retired, and for now the 2014 closer job is safely in the hands of Dave Robertson. The Yankees might eventually sign someone to compete for the job, but the entire pitching market has been slow to move this offseason. The Yankees most significant bullpen move has been electing not to protect a handful of hard-throwing minor leaguers who could be lost in the Rule 5 draft.

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119 Responses to “State of the Yankees at the end of November”

  1. Ys Guy November 30th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    i think the current plan is to stay under 189 IF arod is suspended for the season.

    then i think they will still go over if its necessary to land tanaka.

  2. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Y’s-

    I hope they make a strong play for Tanaka but w competition he may turn out to be a very difficult
    get.

    The money involved is pretty enormous.

    Posting fee alone may exceed 70 Mil and thought it doesn’t count against the LT it’s still real money.

  3. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    YS Guy-

    I’m not sure the ARod deal/ordeal, will be settled legally, when Tanaka is finally posted.

  4. Ys Guy November 30th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    no thanks on phillips. he’s 32 and trending downwards. speed was alot of his game and he’s losing that fast, only 5 SB’s last season.

    i want no part of the last couple of years of that contract.

  5. Ys Guy November 30th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    if they are planning on going over the 189 to get tanaka, which i think is the only way they can get him, then the arod situation doesnt matter.

  6. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    YT-

    Infante vs. Phillips.

    Infante isn’t nearly as good a fielder as Phillips so you definitely lose D w him.

    Hitting wise I think they about a wash.

    Infante might hit for higher avg. but Phillips has more pop.

  7. wanzies222 November 30th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    MTU -

    No worries, no invasion. I’ll just choose not to get into that … all I’ll say is, while that information might add perceived credibility, it would open too many other issues.

    Read into it what you’d like….lol.

    FWIW, Infante has always been a good option. All he costs is coin. Which needs to be spent.

    This trying to stay under 189 is utter nonsense unless they’re going to field another AAAA team, which no one will bother watching.

  8. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    December 2
    Tender deadline

    December 5
    Last date to request outright waivers to assign player prior to Rule 5 Draft

    December 9
    Last date to outright a player prior to Rule 5 Draft

    December 9-12
    Winter Meetings

    December 12
    Rule 5 Draft

  9. Ys Guy November 30th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    …buy low musings….

    i wonder what a trade with atlanta for bj upton might look like…

  10. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    OK Steve.

    Thanks for responding.

    I’d like to know more. It would help w my inherent skepticism.

    You do seem to state certain things w. a degree of knowing.

    Perhaps you could ask Chad to relay your e-mail to me ?

    I am nothing if not trustworthy. Can assure you of that.

    ;)

  11. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 30th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    McCann is a huge upgrade and is going to outperform. Arod is going to be out until June and that will be good for the locker room.

  12. austinmac November 30th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    YT,

    Thanks for the dates. I woke up this morning wondering the date of the winter meetings. Maybe I should get a real life. :)

    I would guess the plan is to stay under 189, if AROD is suspended, and go over if he is suspended for less than half a year. I prefer, however, Wanzies theory because I still don’t think they can feel a decent team at this sum.

  13. austinmac November 30th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    MTU,

    I give you my official seal of trustworthiness and reliability.

  14. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Thanks Mac. I appreciate the testimonial.

    Just like a Swiss watch in that regard.

    Other faults but not those.

  15. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    I also don’t see a playoff caliber team if the Yankees try to stay under the 189M especially if Cano comes back. They would then, possibly be able to add either a corner outfielder for 14-15M, which would be Beltran or Granderson on multiyear contracts, or Kuroda at 15M, but not both as well as Cano.

    The you are looking at a weak pitching free agent market, where Vargas, Johnson, Haren got overpaid, and Hughes is on the verge of a possible multiyear contract. You’d be left with scrounging around for Maholm, Feldman, Colon, etc.

    Then maybe you could get Mark Reynolds for 3rd and fill the rest of the roster with AAA players.- Anna, Almonte, Cabral, Betances, etc.

    No Nathan, or Balfour to close
    No Logan or O’Flaherty. RP’s are getting 4-5M/year
    No Infante, Headley, etc for third.

  16. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    I’d like “Bobcat” to return about now.

    He’d be able to fill us in real well.

    ;)

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock November 30th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    So apparently Francesa is assuring his listeners that no one goes to Yankee Stadium to see Robinson Cano.

    Sorry Mike, but I do. They have so gutted and destroyed this team since 2010, Cano is one of the few must-watch ABs, even when you’re at home. Very few players on our team like that any more (Thanks Cash/Joe/Hal/Levine).

    And if there’s no Cano, my limited visits to the Stadium since giving up my seasons will dwindle to naught, except to see Jeter before he joins Andy and Mo.

    It’s nice that we upgraded the C position, but I’m not paying to see McCann on a Cano-less Yankees team, that also features virtually no young talent .

    McCann is automatically our youngest starter at age 29. I’m going to assume that puts us in a unique category throughout baseball. Hey – we are actually first in something.

  18. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    And we haven’t heard a peep out of “Lost”.

    For sure I’d have thought he would have some extra whispers for us by now.

  19. austinmac November 30th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    MTU,

    I checked out O’Flaherty. He would do. I know the pen is the last place they will spend money, but they must if they want to compete. I don’t trust Cabral to pitch to Ortiz.

    YT,

    I have agreed for a long time. Staying under 189 means a team with far too many cast offs in critical roles.

  20. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    i wonder what a trade with atlanta for bj upton might look like…
    ————————————

    The Atlanta Journal Constirtution Front Page as well as Sports Page headlines would read something like this:

    Braves rid themselves of worst Wren signing.

    If Cashman is responsible for making the deal, suspect he’ll be fired midseason.

    The Braves would be overjoyed to get rid of two of the three U’s- BJ Upton and Dan Uggla.

  21. Ys Guy November 30th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    interesting take on pitchers. i was just reading somewhere last night ( i thought it was mlbtr) that the pitcher’s contracts signed thus far seemed to be in line with recent seasons and not inflated. but i can’t find it right now.

  22. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    I wish I had one of those DARPA robo-fly drones.

    I plant it right on the wall at all of Hal’s meetings.

    And I’d call in the NSA to gather OS info. too.

    And task a satellite w follow all of his movements.

    :)

  23. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Maybe get Tom Cruise to drop in for a visit at Yankee headquarters.

    ;)

  24. austinmac November 30th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    JAP,

    It seems clear Francessa is acting as the Yankees’ mouthpiece getting the fans ready in the event he leaves.

    I agree Cano is not packing fans in the stadium. However, he is by far their best player and without him the team will be unsuccessful and fans will do many other things before they attend games.

  25. yankee21 November 30th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    If the Yankees resign Cano to a moon contract and their goal is still 189 vs. 28 then IMO they have done the absolute worst thing possible, which is to stay in the middle lane. They will be sentenced to mediocrity for the foreseeable future and YS3 will be a ghostland come next October.

    Thankfully it is too early in the off-season for me to come to that definitive conclusion so I await on Hal to make the next series of moves or non-moves. I really flat out don’t trust Hal to uphold the greatness of the Yankee tradition but I hope I am proven wrong over the next few months.

  26. Ys Guy November 30th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    so you are saying that there’s no chance that upton could bounce back from a statistically outlying season in his prime, and that no matter how low the price, trading for him would get cashman fired?

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock November 30th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    MTU is reliable and trustworthy, I agree, but I don’t blame Wanzies, or anyone else, for keeping their private info to themselves, and how can anyone reasonable not understand that?

    There is basically no one minding the store, and worse, there are people who pass as “regulars” here who engage with, and encourage, the presence that has spent “his” time on earth scouring people’s personal info and the posting it here, and elsewhere; even posting slander about people’s children.

  28. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 30th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Cano is gone. There is no way he accepts 100 plus million less that what he is asking for. A sucker will pay for him. The Angels hae been taken to the cleaners so it won’t be them.

    Cano should have stuck with Boras, Jayz is one dummy.

  29. yankee21 November 30th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    BJ Upton is the classic tools player who has never learned to adjust.

    Great athlete but little else. ATL should be doing everything in their power to unload him. Other teams should be doing everything in their power to avoid him.

  30. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 30th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    The state of the FA pitching market is ridiculous. Hughes is going to make decent coin somewhere for two years. To think he was the next “Roger Clemens”.

  31. wanzies222 November 30th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    MTU -

    Thanks. Sometimes time and results are the best indicators of validity…

    I’ll give you another whisper while you’re bach’ing it this long weekend…

    Mike Harkey goes to Arizona. Between Towers and Harkey, they might have some knowledge of the NYY’s young pitchers.

  32. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Ys Guy-

    I suppose BJ Upton can bounce back, if in theory, the Braves were realistically able to trade Justin’s older brother. So I’ll leave it at that.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....0/bj-upton

  33. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    JAP-

    I totally understand that. You know I do.

    But I see no harm in mentioning one’s occupation especially if it would help establish someone’s
    credibility even further.

    That said, it is why I offered Steve the option of responding privately so he would feel
    comfortable and secure.

    Thanks for your testimonial regarding my character. I very much appreciate that.

    What is a Man if not for his good word.

    :)

  34. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Steve-

    Thanks for that but I think that one is obvious.

    Towers has previous Cliff notes and Harkey has current ones.

    Throw Duncan into the mix and you’ve got it made.

    ;)

  35. Ys Guy November 30th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    so you think bj’s problem is being on the same team as his brother, many do.

    but you then discount the possibility of him bouncing back if HE were traded instead of justin?

    interesting take…

  36. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    And you know what Steve.

    It’s about damn time Towers pays back his IOU.

    ;)

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock November 30th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    I agree Cano is not packing fans in the stadium. However, he is by far their best player and without him the team will be unsuccessful and fans will do many other things before they attend games.
    ///

    The team is awful; that’s why no one’s going to the games.

    Cano alone isn’t going to bring in fans, but neither is anyone else. If Jeter had been healthy all season, I don’t think people who show up on any regular basis to watch a bad team with Jeter on it. It might get you out to the park once or twice, but no one’s signing up for a season ticket to watch bad baseball.

    I don’t know who’s pocket Francesa is in, but he seems to like Alex, which would be “anti-Yankee”.

    Part of the Cano thing is the media refusing to talk to him; he complained about it himself. He was miffed that he’d have a big game and would wait at his locker and no one would interview him.

    That’s a cultural issue, no doubt. Writers have “their guys” whom they talk to and those players are easy to go to again and again.

    If Cano wasn’t a Spanish-first guy, for instance (and his english has vastly improved, I might add), he’d have beeen talked about as a major clutch player last year, given his monster numbers in high leverage.

    As it is, I think no one here even was aware of it, and I saw a thing on YES only after I mentioned it here about 12 times (and no one here even responded: doesn’t fit the idea of Cano, therefore it goes unnoticed: a poster the other day even called him “unclutch.” When I pointed out his numbers, he asked: “where’d you get those?”).

    What does it matter where I got them? They are what the guy did at the plate in run producing situations: emphatically.

    If he were Dustin Pedroia, people would be falling all over themselves about him being “clutch”, a “winner,” etc.

    Stereotypes die hard.

  38. Ys Guy November 30th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    even with upton’s abysmal 2013 campaign included, his career OPS+ is higher than gardener’s.

  39. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 30th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Cano is going with Jayz as his agent. Maybe that says it all?

  40. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    JAP-

    Anyone who does not see Cano as an exceptional ballplayer is cuckoo IMO.

    I can’t see anyone really debating that.

    And even if they did it would not be supported by the facts.

  41. wanzies222 November 30th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    MTU -

    Agreed. This next week or so has some dates and deadlines that should encourage some activity along those lines.

  42. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    That said, no player is worth 30Mil per.

    Not even Cano.

  43. blake November 30th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    “So apparently Francesa is assuring his listeners that no one goes to Yankee Stadium to see Robinson Cano.”

    There is a grain of truth to this when you compare Cano to other stars like Jeter and Arod ……however fans go to the stadium mostly to see the Yankees win and it’s hard for me to see how they are gonna do that short term without Cano

  44. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Steve-

    We’ll see. I’d like to see something between them.

    Since you pointed out that they are an excellent match.

    They can help each other. And they should.

    ;)

  45. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Steve-

    Who would be your preference.

    Gregorius, Owings, or Davidson ?

    Or maybe 2 ?

  46. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Towers used to love Betances.

  47. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    And I think he thought very highly of Mason Williams too.

  48. Ys Guy November 30th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    francessa is prone to sweeiping statements that may or may not be supported by the facts.

    competetiveness and especially sustained competetiveness is what drives ticket sales.

    the attendance will drop further if cano is not on the 2014 team than if he is on it because without him, they will not compete in thier division.

    only the yankees can make any real estimate as to what that relative drop would cost them and how much it increases cano’s value.

  49. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    The Yankees are meeting with Cano’s agents on Monday, the third time within a week. I would think, if there is no further progress, the Yankees will try to move on in their search for a corner outfielder, while trying to get an answer from Kuroda, and have that wrapped up before the winter meetings on the 9th.

    Cano would still be on the Yankees radar, because I believe/ or pray/ or hope the Steinbrenners have reset the budget upwards, above the threshold.

  50. Ys Guy November 30th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    star power also sells tickets and cano may not be the type of star that draws on his own. but competetiveness is the key and cano is the key to competetiveness for this franchise for the next couple of seasons.

  51. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    I think the Yankees have so many estimates to make that it was a very good idea that they bought
    that used Cray Supercomputer from the National Weather service.

    It’s really, really good at forecasting things.

    All kinds of things.

    :)

  52. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    I am looking forward to seeing how the gears turn in the next couple of weeks.

    :)

  53. Ys Guy November 30th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    if the cray supercomputer was the one that warned everyone about the horrible thanksgiving nor’easter that never happened, i’d find some guy with an abacus instead…

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock November 30th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    MTU,

    It’s up to people to post what they do or other personal facts if they want to, obviously.

    About Cano, I think some fans take subliminal clues from what is not said as well as what is said about players and don’t, for whatever reason, see past that.

    Judging from some of the observations here I would have to stick to my impression that Cano’s abilities – and especially how rare they are in a left-handed hitting 2B – do not fully register.

    That’s not even a point of debate, IMO. I’ve seen enough comments and lack of recognition and enough “he’s a star, but not a super star” nonsense in this space alone to convince me.

  55. austinmac November 30th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    I watch for the team me not really for individuals. If they could make a good team without Cano, fine. I just don’t think they could.

  56. wanzies222 November 30th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    MTU -

    If it’s up to me, I’d like Owings and Davidson. Arizona is interested in Stewart, though they would like Cervelli, which I wouldn’t want to do, but would if it could get the job done.

  57. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    I’ve got to go soon, but I’m going to take a stab at the possible opening day 25 man roster:

    OF: Soriano, Gardner, Beltran/Granderson, Ichiro, Almonte
    IF: Teixeira, Cano, Jeter, Ryan, Reynolds/Infante
    C: McCann, Cervelli
    and one more-?

    12 pitchers, in no particular order:
    Sabathia
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Phelps
    Warren
    Tanaka
    Pineda
    Betances
    Claiborne
    Kelley
    Robertson
    A lefty

  58. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Steve-

    Now THAT is an interesting item.

    It’s hard for me to believe Stewart has any value.

    And Cervelli ?

    I’d give either one up in a heartbeat now that we have McCann.

    I actually thought their primary interest would be someone like Romine or Murphy.

    The plot thickens.

    :)

  59. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    I wonder how good Owings and/or Davidson are if Cervelli would hold you back ?

    :)

  60. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    There is a rumor out there, that there is interest in trading for Stewart. However, it’s likely he’ll be non-tendered by this Monday and be available as a free agent.

  61. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    YT-

    If there is interest they should move on it immediately.

    Something is better than nothing.

    ;)

  62. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    MTU-

    “According to Chris Cotillo of the MLB Daily Dish, the Yankees are discussing the possibility of trading Stewart since he is gaining interest in the trade market. The Yankees are also attempting to avoid arbitration with him. They are hoping that they could get something done by the end of the weekend but the Yankees will certaintly do one of two things by the time Monday comes:

    1) Stewart will be traded to another team

    2) He’ll be non-tendered and become a free agent.

    Well Chris Stewart, we hardly knew ye.”

  63. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    YT-

    If there is anything out there for Stewart. I mean anything at all. They should trade him.

    Losing him for nothing would be idiotic in that case.

    I hope they are able to. That would be quite a surprise as far as I am concerned.

  64. Ys Guy November 30th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    anybody who trades for stewie before he is tendered is likely just trading you the junk they had to get rid of before non tendering them…

  65. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    back in a while.

  66. wanzies222 November 30th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    MTU -

    Both the Yankees and D’backs need the same thing – a reliable RH C who can play 40-50 games/year. Cervelli is a better hitter and Stewart is the better defender, which is more important to a guy like Towers. Stewart was asked to be something he isn’t last year.

    Obviously, you move either or both to whomever when you have the new-found depth that the Yankees have.

    Towers is also a big believer in a strong bullpen, which the D’backs did not have. Claiborne would interest him, as he should. His success with keeping inherited runners from scoring was one of his best attributes, until he was asked to be something he isn’t.

    Whitley and Montgomery will interest him.

    There are a lot of small pieces the NYY have that could make a deal happen. We’ll see.

    But either way, I don’t see Towers letting go of Gregorius. He spent a lot to get him and Towers is a bid advocate of strong D.

  67. Yankee Trader November 30th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Have to go. Enjoyed the baseball talk this morning.
    I believe that we’ll see some Yankee significant activity before the winter meetings open in Orlando.

    Until later.

  68. DONNYBROOK November 30th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Yanks need to sign Beltran before the Winter Meetings begin. To be juggling both Beltran and Cano during the Meetings would basically paralyze them from considering\adding anything else involving serious $$$ being added to the team payroll. The Yankees need to be foot-loose-and-fancy-free a week from Monday, or why even show up?

  69. Against All Odds November 30th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    It seems clear Francessa is acting as the Yankees’ mouthpiece getting the fans ready in the event he leaves.

    ———————-

    Francesa also feels Cano will be back with the team because they need each other.

  70. blake November 30th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    “If it’s up to me, I’d like Owings and Davidson. Arizona is interested in Stewart, though they would like Cervelli, which I wouldn’t want to do, but would if it could get the job done.”

    I’m putting you in charge of making this happen ….Id trade Cervelli for a SS quickly

  71. blake November 30th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    After a little research I think Id rather have owings than Gregoriois…..Didi might have more upside but there is a chance Brenden Ryan is essentially the same thing as him. I want somebody that can ht or at least has the promise to be able to hit

  72. AAA November 30th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    “If it’s up to me, I’d like Owings and Davidson. Arizona is interested in Stewart, though they would like Cervelli, which I wouldn’t want to do, but would if it could get the job done.”

    ==========================

    Give it up fellas. Nobody’s trading solid prospects for the Yankees scraps.

  73. wanzies222 November 30th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    blake -

    Agree. Owings would be my choice. He’s a little more aggressive, but that might serve him well in NY. Either way, he can pick it and run a little.

  74. Against All Odds November 30th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    I agree Cano is not packing fans in the stadium.

    ————

    True which is why he hooked up with Jay-z/CAA

  75. AAA November 30th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    I agree Cano is not packing fans in the stadium.

    ======================

    The guy who’s packed Yankee Stadium like no other is going to be on suspension to start the year.

  76. yankinvegas November 30th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    If the Yankees have to rely on Mike Francesa, a total blowhard, to do their bidding with Cano, the situation is worse than I ever imagined.
    The Cano negotiations remind me of the Bernie Williams dealings after the 1998 WS. Other teams, Boston and Arizona, made huge offers but Bernie wanted to stay and he requested a meeting with George.
    After Albert Belle, unknown to any in the media, went back on his word to Cashman, George met with Bernie and Boras and the deal got done.
    Maybe a face to face with Hal will convince Cano that the franchise respects and loves him and the deal will get done quickly. Where Jayz fits in this, I have no idea.

  77. Cashmoney November 30th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    when a kid asks for his allowance, he should always start high and negotiate it down to the amount he actually think he will get.

    deep thoughts…

  78. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Steve-

    Thanks.

    We’ll just give you the test of time and results then.

    As you seem to prefer.

    I’d love to see something between the two sides.

    The Yankees are have not executed any meaningful trades since the Pineda.

    Which many hated.

    They should be much more active in that area. It needs to improve.

    And their self-evaluation along with it.

    Hal should have made some heads roll.

    Maybe they’ll get this one right ?

  79. jmills November 30th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    http://r4—sn-ux3n588t-mj.....&mv=m

    I need a front line centre, and the above fits the bill.

  80. Cashmoney November 30th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    i don’t go much to the stadium, mostly due to laziness and my preference to watch the Yankees on HD TV. But the, there is no sexiness in this team with or without Cano. I think NY craves a young superstar or just superstar. what precisely constitute that I am not quite sure. I think Arod was the last superstar who got the fans salivate, but a talent like rod don’t grow on trees. i think the contemporary equivalent would be a harper or trout who not represents who they are now but leaves fertile imaginations in fans who they could be.

  81. AAA November 30th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Speaking of front line centers, Torts return to MSG this afternoon ought to be fun to watch.

  82. blake November 30th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Give it up fellas. Nobody’s trading solid prospects for the Yankees scraps.”

    Are you calling Chris Stewie scrap? He was the starting catcher for the Ny Yankees….pitch framer master….

  83. jmills November 30th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Torts in, MSG, the worse the Canucks do, the more fun it will be.

  84. AAA November 30th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Torts in, MSG, the worse the Canucks do, the more fun it will be.

    ===============================

    Can’t stand the NYR or Canucks, but I liked Torts as a coach. No way they can both lose, so I’m pulling for Torts.

  85. AAA November 30th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Are you calling Chris Stewie scrap? He was the starting catcher for the Ny Yankees….pitch framer master….

    =======================

    LOL. I wouldn’t give him the benefit of the letter “s” in the word “scrap”.

  86. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    “Give it up fellas. Nobody’s trading solid prospects for the Yankees scraps.”

    Guess we’ll see.

    Maybe you can debate that w Wanzies ?

    He sure thinks they might.

    ;)

  87. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Steve-

    Do you happen to know if Owings and Davidson have options left ?

  88. jmills November 30th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Triple A, I hear you, but someone out there must love the Rangers, they had Mr. Smoothie, Jean Ratelle, afterall,…….before they thought Espo was a better option.

  89. jmills November 30th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    I need a catcher and five pictures; MTU, get a move on. ” Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz “.

  90. tomingeorgia November 30th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    I have a busy afternoon ahead, booting home the Buckeyes, Blue Devils, Dawgs, Mizzou, Cavs, Cardinals and Gameco*ks. Need more TVs.

  91. austinmac November 30th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    It would seem with the team meeting again with Cano’s reps on Monday that they should have a good feel for whether he will be re-signed. If he is still at $250M+, they may well move on.

    They still badly need two starters, bullpen help, a 3B and a corner outfielder even of they sign Cano.

    If they fill several of these needs from the scrap heap, attendance will drop. I believe Yankee fans have had their fill of old, sub-replacement level players. I know I have.

    Choo, Beltran or Ellsbury, Tanaka and Kuroda or Garza, O’Flaherty and trade for a 3B.

  92. tomingeorgia November 30th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Lord, I forgot the Tigers/War Eagles!

  93. jmills November 30th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    I’m cheering for the Blue Devils. Tom, it was Bobby Orr I was talking about – he refused to be payed when he had to injury sit out for a year.

  94. mick November 30th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    I think NY craves a young superstar or just superstar. what precisely constitute that I am not quite sure.
    ===================
    That seems to be the malady NY and most of sports suffers from.
    Ther are a dearth of superstars these days.
    The sports world and the world in general is not conducive toward hero worship anymore…
    Wonder why?
    Too much money, lack of innocence in today’s world, steroids…?

  95. austinmac November 30th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Mick,

    I think part of it is the movement of the players. Develop a beloved hero, and he is likely gone in a few years. Plus, we see the guys warts these days. Heck, I never knew Mickey drank.

  96. austinmac November 30th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    One minor leaguer whom no one ever speaks is Pirela. He is 24, and has put up pretty good numbers for at least the last two years. He has some power and apparently some speed. I know nothing of his glove.

  97. jmills November 30th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Bobby Orr could have been the Maple Leaf’s first, and to this date, only superstar, a true one at that; instead, when Punch Imlach was presented with the notion of the young 14 year old, he said, ” talk to me in a few years “. Kudos to the Bruins, and I am more than happy with what Bobby did there, as Harold Ballard only would have given him mental damage here.

  98. mick November 30th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    I think part of it is the movement of the players. Develop a beloved hero, and he is likely gone in a few years. Plus, we see the guys warts these days. Heck, I never knew Mickey drank.
    ================
    Mac

    Agreed. There is no innocence around anymore also. Totally different times.
    It’s a shame. Players are looked at with scorn.
    They are looked at as cheats.

  99. Ted Nelson November 30th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    While I think McCann is a very good upgrade, I think you’ve been overstating it by calling it the biggest possible upgrade. Offensively, kind of. Overall, not really. The only way I think the comment really applies is that he’s the biggest possible offensive upgrade over Stewart. That’s not the case over their starting C Cervelli, though, who is solid enough offensively. Defensively Stewart is probably at least as good as McCann (picking up a couple of unrecorded WAR from his pitch framing, as McCann probably does too), so the upgrade is only on one side of the ball. Basically, Stewart is not as useless as his offensive stats suggest and he was the back-up to Cervelli anyway. 3B and SS were also black holes where there is no pitch framing to save the production. A 2-3 win player there is probably as much or more of an upgrade as McCann. (They may not get that this year, but it’s a possible improvement.)

    With Cano, I’d say it’s more a matter of him coming down to the market price than finding something that works for both sides. If that happens, I imagine there will be some other bidders and the Yankees can outbid them to retain him. Right now, it appears that the Yankees would be “bidding against themselves” (paying way over market rate) if they go up towards his asking price. Hopefully they’ve learned something about bidding against themselves since the A-Rod debacle.

  100. jmills November 30th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Austin, I’m penciling your boy, Goins, in at second.

  101. jmills November 30th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    In the old days, there wasn’t the media crush upon a player’s warts; heck, look what James Hunt and Barry Sheen got away with, that documentary on their antics is hilarious.

  102. mick November 30th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Hal is right about on time in using his 189 ploy as the negotiation tool he planned it to be with Cano.

    If he can procure a lineup of :
    Jeter
    Beltran
    Cano
    McCann
    Tex
    Soriano
    Granderson
    Infante
    Gardner

    Who are we to argue? We can win a title with that group.

  103. jmills November 30th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

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    Welcome to the world of, James hunt and Barry Sheen.

  104. austinmac November 30th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Mick,

    I would be more than happy with that group. We could have hope. It sure goes over the cap. Not that that bothers me.

  105. austinmac November 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Jmills,

    Goins looks like a solid player. I’m pulling for him.

  106. Ted Nelson November 30th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    re: Pirela

    He was pretty much unplayable at SS. 26 Es in 2010 in High A and 37 in 2011 in AA.

    My guess is that he could be a replacement level guy at 2B or 3B, but I wouldn’t expect much more (I think AAA lifer is most likely… maybe goes and makes some money in Japan). Yankees have kept him in AA for basically three full seasons even after a huge 2012 and even after a bunch of injuries depleted the AAA IF, so they don’t seem to be very high on him. I don’t know how long he’s been Rule 5 eligible, but other teams don’t seen super high on him either as they didn’t pick him up last year and I think he was a minor league FA this off-season who no one outbid the Yankees for.

    Steamer projects Pirela for an 86 wRC+ in MLB if he plays there in 2014, which wouldn’t be that terrible for 2B if he can hold his own defensively. Jose Altuve was at 1.3 fWAR in 2013 with a 85 wRC+ and just below average D at 2B (he needed 672 PAs to reach that level… but he wasn’t totally unusable is really my point). I could see Pirela being that guy who is constantly undervalued and eventually makes some sort of relatively small MLB impact. If he hits in AAA in 2014 he’ll probably get a chance eventually, at least for some Astros/Marlins type team.

  107. jmills November 30th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Austin, Goins is off playing winter ball, and to think second wasn’t even his position. Given adequate hitting through the rest of the lineup, save maybe catcher as well, I’ll take the glove.

  108. mick November 30th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    I would be more than happy with that group. We could have hope. It sure goes over the cap. Not that that bothers me.
    =====================
    Mac

    If we get creative with that group we can be close to Hal’s edict.
    There has to be some salary we can unload, Ichiro.
    Tanaka and Kuroda are not guarantees.
    We can win with that group and retool in 2015.

  109. Ted Nelson November 30th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    “If he can procure a lineup of :”

    Not that I have any idea what they’ll do, but my money is on two less FAs than that. I would guess no Infante and no Granderson. Probably taking a bit of a spray and pray approach at 3B, and rotating a few guys through the DH spot or using a buy-low FA. I expect to see Ichiro and/or Zoilo fairly regularly in RF and Ryan fairly regularly at SS.

    I imagine that Infante will find a more lucrative deal and more playing time at 2B somewhere. I also really don’t see them spending ~$14 million on a full-time DH. (Then again I didn’t see them spending ~$14 million on a set-up man a few years ago when they had some good, young internal options… and I’d welcome both Granderson and Beltran with open arms.)

  110. mick November 30th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Ted,
    You might be right about that.
    Granderson might not be back and Almonte and Beltran can play RF.
    Infante , as well, might not make the cut and they go with Reynolds and Nunez pending the return of Arod.
    This version should have no problem meeting Hals edict.

  111. mick November 30th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Spend the extra money on a Nathan type to set up or close if DRob can’t handle it a la Soriano.

  112. wanzies222 November 30th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    MTU -

    Owings and Davidson were both picked in the supplemental portion of the 2009 draft (after Heathcott, btw… but in fairness, Goldschmidt was taken in the 8th round of the same draft, so who knew?). Owings and Davidson were added to the 40 man in 2013, so their option clocks have just begun.

  113. Hankflorida November 30th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    I have said this before that when it come to statistics in defense, one has to see a player do his stuff to understand how great he is. If you watch the replays, you can appreciate the instincts that Cano has at the crack of the bat in getting to the ball. I would rate Cano’s ability above many of the great fielding light hitting players that the Yankees had, like Jerry Colemen, at 2nd base. The Yankees did have a second basemen who did win a batting title and his name was Snuffy Stirnweiss who did it during the war years with a BA of 309.

  114. MTU November 30th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Thanks Steve.

    New One ——–>

  115. Ted Nelson November 30th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    “I have said this before that when it come to statistics in defense, one has to see a player do his stuff to understand how great he is. If you watch the replays, you can appreciate the instincts that Cano has at the crack of the bat in getting to the ball.”

    The things about statistics is that they capture things like consistency. Seeing a guy make one great play is not really a good way to predict how he plays over the course of a full season. I’m sure that I can find you some great defensive highlights of Eduardo Nunez. That doesn’t mean he’s a good defender.

    It’s also very difficult to eye-ball range, where you have to consider positioning, the speed of the ball, and exactly how far from the guy the ball is hit. A dramatic diving play for one player might be a routine play for another guy with better range.

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