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The emerging bullpen market (and the difficulty of roster overhaul)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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While the Yankees were finalizing and announcing their Brian McCann signing, the rest of baseball was setting the bullpen market into motion.

• Last night, Jim Johnson was traded to Oakland.

• This morning, the Tigers signed Joe Nathan.

• The Dodgers are reportedly close to a deal with Brian Wilson.

There are still significant relievers on the free agent market (Grant Balfour, Joaquin Benoit, Fernando Rodney, plus a few non-tender guys who hit the market yesterday) but it’s become clear that the Yankees are focusing their early efforts — and early spending — on other positions of need. They’ve upgraded at catcher, locked up some infield depth, entered negotiations for a new right fielder, and made it clear that they’re going after two starting pitchers. With Dave Robertson in place, late-inning relief work hasn’t been a priority.

This is part of the problem of significantly overhauling a roster.

Even with Robertson in place, the Yankees have some need for bullpen help. Based on the current roster, Shawn Kelley looks like the eighth-inning guy, Cesar Cabral might be the top lefty, and relatively unproven options like Preston Claiborne and Dellin Betances could be forced into key situations whether they’re ready or not. It could work, but there’s little sense of security with a group like that, so it makes sense for the Yankees to add an experienced reliever or two.

But priorities have been set, and money isn’t infinite, and there are greater needs at the moment. We’ve all seen teams sort out a bullpen during the season — this year’s World Series featured two teams that did exactly that — and the Yankees could be following that model, at least in terms of early offseason maneuvering. Seems unlikely that they’ll stumble into a power-hitting catcher, or a standout second baseman, or a productive right fielder, or a No. 2 starter. So those positions become priorities, and while the rest of baseball seems to be jumping into the relief market, the Yankees have to focus their resources elsewhere.

Speaking of focusing those resources elsewhere, might take more than two years worth of resources to sign Carlos Beltran. Buster Olney reports that at least one team is willing to go three years, $48 million. I’m not stunned that there’s a three-year market for Beltran, but three years at that price seems awfully aggressive. If the Yankees aren’t willing to do that, their priorities could shift to either a different outfielder or toward other roster holes.

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278 Responses to “The emerging bullpen market (and the difficulty of roster overhaul)”

  1. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Cano (28) + Beltran (16) or

    Ellsbury (22) + Choo (22)

  2. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Beltran is in Kansas City, so it’s KCA who made the offer. money trumps winning

  3. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    The Yankees were hard for Beltran and of course Cano so you figure around 45 M is budgeted for 2 star players.

    If Beltran takes 3 years and Cano gets over 200 M, that leaves Ellsbury and Choo.

  4. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Beltran arrived in Kansas City on Monday and is there Tuesday as well to meet with club officials and listen to the Royals’ small-market, big-money pitch. The Royals may be willing to go to three years to sign Beltran.
    From NY Post

  5. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    He’s already dumped Stewie. C’mon Cashman don’t mess up this offseason yet. Keep going.

  6. Mike Ri December 3rd, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Beltran escapes us again !!! lol

  7. Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Beltran is out. It really comes down to Choo and Cano. I think the yanks should know by the winter meetings if they need to move on from Cano. If they are having serious conversations with Boras then you should they have moved on.

  8. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Bret

    Give me Cano(25) and Choo(19) for my 44! :)

  9. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Let KC have him and go get choo

  10. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Trader,

    Thief!!!

  11. wanzies222 December 3rd, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Tigers need more than an OF, they need a leadoff hitter. They could put Choo in LF.

    Rangers need SP and a LF.

  12. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    @Joelsherman1: McCann #Yankees deal: $17M yr 2014-18 Club opt ’19:$15M. Vests if 1,000pa ’17-’18 AND 90gs as C in ’18 AND not on DL at end of ’18 season.

  13. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Dombrowski is thinking about Choos .400 OBP in front of Miggy…..

  14. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    I would be ok with Choo (20), Ellsbury (20), Infante (8) and Headley (7) (subtract Gardner).

  15. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    @mikeaxisa: So basically if McCann is not a regular catcher in 2018, the option won’t vest. Good deal.

  16. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    If the Yankees sign Choo and Kuroda accepts the one year 16M or so offer, Cano’s agents should see the writing on the wall. If Infante is then signed, the remainder of the Yankees budget is probably going for another starter, a LOOGY, a third baseman and bench help.

  17. Giuseppe Franco December 3rd, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    I’m not sure what the point in getting Ellsbury would be.

    —–

    There is no point to it. Ellsbury in pinstripes is about as likely to happen as signing Carl Crawford a few years back.

  18. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    I say sign Choo and Cano. Deal Ichiro to the White Sox for Keppinger, re-sign Reynolds

    Lineup is:

    Gardner – CF
    Jeter – SS
    Choo – RF
    Cano – 2b
    Soriano – LF
    McCann – 3b
    Tex – 1b
    Reynolds – DH
    Keppinger – 3b

  19. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    duh – McCann obviously at C not 3b

  20. Mottsx December 3rd, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Sign Ellsbury and trade Gardner for pitching.

  21. Giuseppe Franco December 3rd, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Mike Ri December 3rd, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Beltran escapes us again !!! lol

    —–

    They’d prefer to wait until he’s 40 before they sign him.

  22. MTU December 3rd, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Screw Beltran.

    48 mil. 3 yrs.

    And the Yankees are supposed to top that.

    Forget it.

    Ridiculous.

  23. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Ellsbury-CF
    Jeter-SS
    Choo-RF
    Soriano-LF
    McCann-C
    Teixeira-1B
    Headley-3B
    Infante-2B
    Wells/Ichiro-DH

  24. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Chip

    What happened to the early media predictions that Granderson was going to return home to Chicago. Now the Mets are interested. If Beltran takes the offer today from KC, the Yankees might look again at resigning Grandy?

  25. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Whoa…. CRAZY Beltran numbers. Definitely go Choo over Beltran but what we’re seeing here is a limited market in terms of talent. More than half the teams in the league will be in on Ellsbury and Choo at this point.

    Tons of moves happening right now. Last year was dead until after the winter meetings. Good stuff.

  26. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Chip

    What happened to the early media predictions that Granderson was going to return home to Chicago. Now the Mets are interested. If Beltran takes the offer today from KC, the Yankees might look again at resigning Grandy?
    ——————

    If they sign Choo and Cano the team would be too left handed with Granderson also. You need some RH or SH bats to balance it out – I think that’s part of the appeal with Beltran and why I would go for Reynolds over Granderson.

  27. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    What was the Ranger A’s final deal?

  28. MTU December 3rd, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Tigers got Nathan.

    Damn.

    Talk about active.

  29. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 38m
    Carlos Beltran is said to have a three-year offer for $48 million in hand. Not sure if it’s the Mariners, but Seattle is being aggressive.

    Wow do you match that if you are the Yankees?

  30. MTU December 3rd, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Reynolds would need to hit the ball 1st.

    ;)

  31. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Brett –

    The Yankees and Padres both publicly stated that there isn’t a good match between the teams for Headley.

    The Padres want what the Yankees don’t have to offer – young power bats.

  32. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    MTU December 3rd, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Reynolds would need to hit the ball 1st.
    ————-

    So would Granderson :-)

  33. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    “Wow do you match that if you are the Yankees?”

    No…you pay just a little more in AAV and get the much younger Choo

  34. MTU December 3rd, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Patrick-

    No way.

  35. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Chip

    If they sign Granderson, I believe there wouldn’t be a Choo. The monies will then go to filling the holes elsewhere.

  36. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Getting Choo now puts some pressure on Cano.

  37. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Patrick

    Beltran is in KC as we speak!

  38. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    CHOO! Then trade for Kemp

  39. Russell Munson December 3rd, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    No way you go three years on Beltran.

  40. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    No…you pay just a little more in AAV and get the much younger Choo

    Agree with you and MTU that 3 years for Beltran is insanity. But given the market do you really think Choo is only a little more AAV? I’m thinking he will get a Jayson Werth type contract. I think at the very least he commands 5 yrs 100 mil

  41. tomingeorgia December 3rd, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Mister MTU,
    It’s not Beltran’s fault that teams value him so highly. I always wanted him, but not at that price and years. Might better say “Screw signing him for that money”, not the player himself.

  42. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Patrick

    Beltran is in KC as we speak!

    He’s meeting with KC brass, doesn’t mean he’s signed yet

  43. MTU December 3rd, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    OK Tom.

    Screw signing him for that kind of money and years.

    ;)

  44. MTU December 3rd, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    This year’s FA prices are very inflated.

    Bad news.

  45. MTU December 3rd, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Is it possible that Grandy would take a 3yr. deal ?

  46. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Agree with you and MTU that 3 years for Beltran is insanity. But given the market do you really think Choo is only a little more AAV”

    Yea…..i mean that’s 16 for Beltran….Choo will be max of 20 Id think

  47. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    I wonder how much of that 48 million is because of his postseason performance the last few years? It’s unbelievable how much his value has inflated since going to the Cardinals

  48. MTU December 3rd, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Blake-

    In this market who knows ?

  49. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    No…you pay just a little more in AAV and get the much younger Choo

    Agree with you and MTU that 3 years for Beltran is insanity. But given the market do you really think Choo is only a little more AAV? I’m thinking he will get a Jayson Werth type contract. I think at the very least he commands 5 yrs 100 mil
    —————-

    I’m with Patrick on this – I think Choo comes in closer to 5 and 100 than McCann’s contract.

    Then again – Granderson might now be able to command something in the range of 4 and 75.

  50. charlestonchew December 3rd, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    I think the Yankees need to take Curtis Granderson’s pulse because he’s the kind of guy who might take some kind of discount to sign with the Yanks. Probably not a huge discount, but I don’t see it as impossible that he’d sign for 4/58 instead of 5/75 (which is probably close to what he could get in this market). Granderson likes the Yankees and he’s a big hit internationally and is an ambassador for the game. He has raw and massive power, even if he strikes out sometimes. I think if we can get him for around 15/16 mil a year and choo’s going to cost 20, that Granderson is the better option. We’ve seen what Granderson can become in that stadium–there’s at least one year where he was significantly better than Cano (or any other Yankee, for that matter). He’s also a known commodity and a plus defender in LF.

    This is probably the most interesting offseason I can remember.

  51. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Never thought I’d say this but thank God for the Hunter Pence contract. That one keeps Boras in check.

  52. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    I would go 5 years 90 million on Choo but maybe stretch that out to 100. I think some other team would bid higher than that though and I also don’t think Choo will be worth 100 million over the life of that contract.

  53. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    for Choo.

  54. MTU December 3rd, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Boras is never in check.

  55. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    There are limits. He’s just good at reaching them.

  56. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Offer Granderson 4 years, 64 M

  57. AAA December 3rd, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Never thought I’d say this but thank God for the Hunter Pence contract. That one keeps Boras in check.

    ===================

    In what way is this the case?

  58. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    AAA,

    You still want Beltran?

  59. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    The Pence contract is what began the inflation on the outfield market. Not sure how that benefits anybody but Pence and other outfielders.

    4 years for Granderson? Hell no. I’d take him on a 1 year deal and that’s it. Really not a fan of his game at this point in his career…

  60. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Pence and Choo are comparable players with similar skillsets and ages. So Choo shouldn’t make much more than 18 per.

  61. charlestonchew December 3rd, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Patrick — You would give 100million to Choo, but wouldn’t even go beyond 1 year for Granderson?

    Granderson is arguably better than Choo, even if you look at WAR and age and predicted future performance. They are very comparable. Choo is a below average defender (with a negative dWar) and Granderson is an average to above average one. Granderson dwarfs Choo’s power, but Choo gets on base at a higher rate. They would both probably perform well at Yankee stadium, but I would jump at Granderson at 4/60 rather than Choo at 33% higher cost per year and 25% more years.

  62. pat December 3rd, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    JimBowdenESPNxm
    Mike Rizzo asked about Cano “I don’t foresee us jumping into that market” “We feel good about Rendon and Espinosa as a back-up” for 2B #SXM

  63. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Pence and Choo are comparable players with similar skillsets and ages. So Choo shouldn’t make much more than 18 per.

    Strongly disagree, Choo is a much better player. Career OBP .389 for Choo vs .339 for Pence

    Pence @ 18 per year is a big overpay, Choo @ 18 would be fair. Given that Pence was overpaid we can assume Choo will be as well so think something like 20+ per year for Choo.

  64. Russell Munson December 3rd, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Pence didn’t have a free market bidding him up, for whatever it’s worth.

  65. pat December 3rd, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    BertDbacks
    RT/ @JackMagruder: #Dbacks Heath Bell “I’m heading off to tampa.”

  66. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Choo is better. He’s not “much” better.

  67. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    And you have to take defense into account with Pence vs. Choo and maybe Pence has the edge there without peeking.

  68. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Bret The Hitman says:
    December 3, 2013 at 2:52 pm
    Choo is better. He’s not “much” better.

    Id call it significant

  69. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    charlestonchew -

    Choo’s defense looks bad because he played CF last year. He’s a natural RF and is above average at that spot. Has one of the best arms in the league.

    I don’t want Granderson because I really dislike building a team with low average, low OBP, high strikeout players. Choo strikes out a decent amount but he gets on base at an absurd clip. Looking back at the juggernaut Yankee offenses from the 2000′s, the team was built around players with high OBP so Choo really fits my offensive philosophy more than Granderson does.

    Choo reminds me of a better fielding Bobby Abreu which is definitely something I’d pay a lot for.

  70. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    I don’t think you can put Choo in a tier above Pence, sorry.

  71. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    I take Choo for 5 at roughly $100 Mill, vs Beltran for 3 at $48 Mill. Probably KC the only team Desperate enough to do this.

  72. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    The most I would go on Choo is 20 M

  73. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Choo and Pence are in the same tier. Granderson is there too but he’s just more inconsistent and I prefer Choo against better pitching over a playoff series.

  74. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Choo gets in base like 70 points better than Pence

  75. MTU December 3rd, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Getting Brett Anderson from the A’s would be an excellent buy low candidate.

    If he can stay healthy he is top notch.

    Been injured the past couple of seasons but he’s capable of putting up great #’s.

    He’s 26 and a lefty. 8Mil.

    No idea what the A’s need or want.

  76. AAA December 3rd, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Pence and Choo are comparable players with similar skillsets and ages. So Choo shouldn’t make much more than 18 per.

    ========================================

    Ages are a lot more similar than their skillsets, but one signed without testing free agent and the other has at least 3 big money teams with an outfield void likely bidding for his services. All about supply and demand. Pence didn’t allow himself to become part of the supply.

  77. brianlopez22 December 3rd, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Getting B Anderson would be great, Oakland is probably asking for high-ceiling minor leaguers (plural). Those of which, we really can not afford to lose or that anyone wants.

  78. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Choo also averages 145 K’s per 162 games.

    That’s a ton.

  79. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    I would take Anderson for free but that’s about it. He can’t stay healthy at all

  80. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Granderson’s Not close to Choo or Pence. Especially once Grandy’s hitting for 81 games in different yard.

  81. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Also have to factor in Choo’s splits vs. lefties.

    Does Pence have the same inconsistencies?

  82. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    AAA,

    You still want Carlos Beltran?

  83. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Choo also averages 145 K’s per 162 games.

    That’s a ton.

    No player is perfect … His K’s and not hitting LHP are his two weaknesses. Given how excellent he is at getting on base, with good average, good power, good speed .. he’s worth a big contract. I’d go 5 yrs 90 on him but I doubt he signs for that. I really doubt the Yankees will get Choo but one can dream..

  84. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Choo gets on base better vs LHP than Pence does against RHP…..and Choo gets on base like 100 pts better vs RHP than he does

  85. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    looking to me like granderson is going to be the best value of the OF FA’s.

  86. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Choo’s OBP is inflated with his HBP’s. You can’t count on that happening Every season.

  87. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Choo plate discipline is getting better too….not worse

  88. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    DONNYBROOK says:
    December 3, 2013 at 3:02 pm
    Choo’s OBP is inflated with his HBP’s. You can’t count on that happening Every season.

    Career OBP is like .389…..he gets on base very often

  89. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Look both Pence and Choo hit for average, have gap power, hit to all fields, drive in runs, run the bases well and play solid defense. The difference is Choo’s OBP which is diluted by his drastic splits and higher K rates.

  90. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Choo’s OBP is inflated with his HBP’s. You can’t count on that happening Every season.

    Lol what ?

    He has a career .389 OBP, that is outstanding

  91. AAA December 3rd, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    AAA,

    You still want Carlos Beltran?

    =======================

    At the numbers being talked about? Probably not. I though the hope there might be that the NYY could bump up AAV for 2 yrs and get him that way. If we’re to believe someone’s at $16M per, that bump would appear to be $17M-$18M per season, which really can’t be justified IMO.

  92. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    I agree Choo is the better player but he does not, I repeat, does not belong in an entirely separate tier from Pence. Thus the 18 million is a force of gravity, even if only a small one. I’ll take whatever I can get. I like Choo.

  93. austinmac December 3rd, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Here is the bottom line. Either may more than you think they are worth or they all go elsewhere while the team wins 70 games. Simple as that.

    All the “I won’t pay more than this or that” means Reynolds at third, Ichiro in right and a return Hafner engagement at DH. Tough is great until you realize the result.

  94. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    AAA,

    Well then, is Choo your guy now? You got mad at our boners before.

  95. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Paying a guy $20 Mill based on OBP is Folly. I like Choo, but you guys description of him is starting to sound more like Swisher.

  96. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    @jaysonst: One exec’s amusing take on non-tender day: If you could imitate @Kurkjian_ESPN you got non-tendered! Ask @jparencibia9 & @ElliotJohnson9

    Hah

  97. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    I agree Choo is the better player but he does not, I repeat, does not belong in an entirely separate tier from Pence. Thus the 18 million is a force of gravity, even if only a small one. I’ll take whatever I can get. I like Choo.

    This idea of “tier” is just a logical grouping, it has no meaning. If you want to say they are on the same tier, whatever I don’t care. The fact of the matter is, Pence was overpaid by a significant amount. No matter how you slice it, that’s not a good thing for teams that want to get Choo. If his salary is inflated by the same amount as Pence’s (which makes sense), he will get over 20 million AAV.

  98. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    I don’t like the OBP fixation either, reminds me too much of Swish Cheez. But Choo is a more complete ballplayer, really.

  99. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Choo RF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Soriano LF
    McCann C
    Tex 1B
    Jones DH
    Infante 3B
    Gardner CF

  100. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Thus the 18 million is a force of gravity, even if only a small one

    By the way, I do agree with this premise, but I think the force of gravity in this case is in the wrong direction! If Pence had gotten like 15 million I think that would have been reasonable ..

  101. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    OBP is where it’s at….Choo hits righties very well also. He just can’t hit lefties but ateast he still gets on base against them

  102. Ted Nelson December 3rd, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Not so sure about the premise of this article.

    Even if they weren’t overhauling a good portion of their roster, jumping into the high end of the RP market might be a poor use of resources for the Yankees. There’s definitely value in consistency and elite RP performance, but it seems like a pretty inefficient market where there’s like a $10 mm (AAV) jump from a “setup man” to a “closer.” Since the Yankees have a great closer candidate already on the roster, saving that $10 mm to get a quality setup man seems like a better way to use their resources.

  103. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    The Pence deal is the most recent precedent for Choo and 18 M may be an overpay but every free agent is getting stupid money. Pence is not responsible for Beltran’s 3 year 48 M offer. The Giants read the market right and Pence got what he would have got in this inflated market which is why he didn’t bother testing.

  104. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    @ESPNNYYankees: Sources: Mariners emerge in fight for Cano http://t.co/fGD5lPiIFu via @ESPNNewYork

  105. austinmac December 3rd, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    I have read Granderson is expected to get four years.

  106. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Max Choo will get is 21 M

  107. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Folks are kidding themselves if they don’t think somebody will go to 200 for Cano IMO

  108. Ted Nelson December 3rd, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    By the way, despite his reputation Choo doesn’t grade out particularly well in RF as a defender. Mediocre on his career. He’s got a good arm, yes, but that’s only one aspect of defense.

  109. Ted Nelson December 3rd, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    “Folks are kidding themselves if they don’t think somebody will go to 200 for Cano IMO”

    Really? Because people didn’t understand your point when you made it the first 10,000 times.

  110. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    That’s what I’m saying Blake. If Cano is offered 200 M you can put him in the same category as Beltran.

    Those 2 misses give you around 45 M as a consolation prize.

  111. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Cano would disappear in Seattle…..he’s not going there unless they drastically outbid everyone else

  112. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    “Really? Because people didn’t understand your point when you made it the first 10,000 times.”

    Did RAB run you off? Really the snark isn’t becoming.

  113. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    NEW YORK – With Brian McCann set to be introduced at a Thursday news conference at Yankee Stadium, the club released a quote from managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner:

    “The singular and unwavering desire of this organization is to construct a team each and every season designed to play meaningful baseball deep into October,” Steinbrenner said. “In Brian McCann, we feel we have made a significant improvement to a key position, while adding a high-character presence to our clubhouse.

    “Our work this offseason has just begun, but we feel this is an important step towards what will be an exciting and rewarding 2014 season for the Yankees.

    THE CARPENTERS: We’ve only just begun to live, White lace and promises A kiss for luck and we’re on our way.

  114. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    People get so emotionally charged this time of year. More green tea people. More green tea.

  115. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Ted Nelson says:
    December 3, 2013 at 3:15 pm
    By the way, despite his reputation Choo doesn’t grade out particularly well in RF as a defender. Mediocre on his career. He’s got a good arm, yes, but that’s only one aspect of defense.

    Hes bad in CF but he’d be fine in the small YS RF…especially with Gardner in CF

  116. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    im not buying cano going to seattle. not unless the bid is much higher than anyone else’s and even then only after cano sits on it for a very long time.

    remember cano’s side is DESPERATE to get at least a rumor of someone else jumping in on cano.

    the mariners are having trouble getting anyone to take their money.

    so starting this rumor serves both the mariners and cano, even if its total BS.

    so i wouldnt change my stance on cano one bit based on this story.

  117. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    “In Brian McCann, we feel we have made a significant improvement to a key position, while adding a high-character presence to our clubhouse.

    ____________

    UNSPEAKABLE AUDACITY!!

  118. Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Seattle is just going to be used so Cano gets more money from the yanks or another team. I think the main players for Cano are the Dodgers, Nats or Rangers.

  119. AAA December 3rd, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Well then, is Choo your guy now? You got mad at our boners before.

    ==============================

    Honestly, I don’t know. $20M players do exist in this day and age and Choo, IMO, is definitely not one of them. He’s a good player. Decent corner OF (disastrous CF), steals a little and gets on base with OK power. Never been an all star, never been ridiculously good in any category save HBP and OBP last season. Just not feeling it.

    In the winter of 2008 I felt great about giving Teixeira $20M+. If they did it for Choo, I wouldn’t think much good of it at all.

    I’m almost ready to go back to Granderson and see where he’d be on a 3 yr deal.

  120. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    hal’s statement is the same one he gives when they sign the first FA every offseason with the names cut and pasted in.

  121. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    “In Brian McCann, we feel we have made a significant improvement to a key position, while adding a high-character presence to our clubhouse.

    High character? No way

  122. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Sorry, that Hal statement should read for our fans, not for the Yankees

  123. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    “High character” code for “grand wizard”

  124. austinmac December 3rd, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    So far this afternoon we have seen Nathan sign elsewhere, Beltran being very cozy with KC, Cano about to get a big money offer from the Mariners.

    If Hal thinks we have only just begun, I agree. He better begin again as targets are disappearing while we make sure the 189 focus prevails.

    The last three years have led me to doubt we are winning many contests for players. The other teams always bid too high. Meanwhile, prudence prevails in Yankeeland until they have to pay $12M for Youkilis to sign with them.

    Cano will go where he is paid the most. JayZ will insure it since he can show what a great job he did by getting more money.

  125. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    We have a grand wizard presence in our clubhouse. Montero – BE GONE

  126. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    I could see Cano going to Seattle IF the Yanks go the Choo route. Cano is a 2 Trick Pony.

  127. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    3 tricks – glove, average, pop.

  128. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    hal recieved this in an email from his PR guy several years ago.

    ““The singular and unwavering desire of this organization is to construct a team each and every season designed to play meaningful baseball deep into October,” Steinbrenner said. “In (fill in the blank with player name) we feel we have made a significant improvement to a key position, while adding a high-character presence to our clubhouse.”

    its so boring that nobody’s ever noticed that he’s used it 2 dozen times.

  129. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Seattle is just going to be used so Cano gets more money from the yanks or another team. I think the main players for Cano are the Dodgers, Nats or Rangers.

    —————

    The Rangers were also mentioned in that article… I’d be really sad if they let Cano walk. I really don’t give a rats behind about the money when it comes to one of our own that is on a HOF trajectory.

  130. dan l December 3rd, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Curious about only seeing the same players rehashed over an over…doesn’t anyone have an interesting trade ideas? Fantasy or not who are players you like?

    If the Yankees pass on Cano I wouldn’t mind seeing the Yankees package Gardner and Phelps to the Angels for Kendrick and Calhoun. Maybe the Yankees need to toss in another player maybe Kelley to make it happen.

  131. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    nathan wasnt going to be a yankee anyway, beltran has an offer he doesnt want and cano has a rumor.

    things havent changed much regarding the yankees today.

    lots of noise though.

  132. AAA December 3rd, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Kinda think Cano didn’t sign on with Jay-Z so that he could get a long term deal in the game’s most remote outpost.

    Seattle is a terrific city, but c’mon.

  133. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    If the Yankees pass on Cano I wouldn’t mind seeing the Yankees package Gardner and Phelps to the Angels for Kendrick and Calhoun. Maybe the Yankees need to toss in another player maybe Kelley to make it happen.

    ——————-

    Honestly, if the Yankees lose Cano I push as hard as possible for Andrus.

  134. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Infante should fill 2B. For 3B I hit Houston up for Dominguez.

  135. AAA December 3rd, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Of course, we can now no longer claim that Cano’s market isn’t developing.

  136. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    AAA December 3rd, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Kinda think Cano didn’t sign on with Jay-Z so that he could get a long term deal in the game’s most remote outpost.

    Seattle is a terrific city, but c’mon.

    —————

    You know what though, Cano has his ring and look at Felix. Guy could have gone to a contender but he loves it there. No pressure, getting paid.. I mean.. it doesn’t sound like a bad deal lol.

  137. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Ted c’mon now be nice

  138. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    From Replacement Level Yankees

    “WARNING: Link plays a video

    NEW YORK—The Seattle Mariners have emerged as a major player in the sweepstakes for free agent Robinson Cano, according to several sources who spoke to ESPNNewYork.com on Tuesday on the condition of anonymity.

    With the New York Yankees not wanting to offer Cano more than a seven-year contract or as much as $200 million, an industry source with knowledge of the negotiations put the Yankees chances of retaining their five-time All-Star second baseman at “less than 50-50.”

    “It doesn’t look too good right now,” said the source.

    Hope you like rain, weed and coffee Robinson.

  139. dan l December 3rd, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Andrus in never going to be a Yankee….if they wanted him they should have traded Cano last summer for him…

  140. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Cano is itching to be a star. I can see him start up a grunge band. He’s been growing out his facial hair like Eddie Vedder and Kurt Cobain.

  141. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    @DCameronFG: I’ll believe that Robinson Cano is interested in joining the Mariners when I hear a press conference has been called.

    @DCameronFG: I have no problem believing that Robinson Cano is interested in using the Mariners as leverage against the Yankees, though.

  142. austinmac December 3rd, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    The Cards are now working on a RH pinch hitter. Those were the days.

  143. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    The timing is totally appropriate here. The Yankees just yesterday announced they would not go higher than 200 M on Cano. The translation of that is, if there is a team out there willing to go 200 M with Cano, come out with your offer and get on with it, we’ve got STUFF to do. And right on cue Seattle comes out of the woodwork with their amateur front office.

  144. Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Cano is really upsetting me at the moment. ESPN is reporting that Seattle is now very interested in meeting Cano’s demands.
    So Cano needs to ask himself?
    Does he just want the money or does he want to remain a Yankee and ultimately win more
    WS titles and probably have his #24 end up in monument park someday?

    I will be the first to say Cano is “not the best player” in MLB.

    C’mon Robbie, there are compromises in life and this is your opportunity to remain a Yankee forever.
    Or end up somewhere like Seattle and have fun watching the playoffs from your $30 million home every Oct

  145. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Of course, we can now no longer claim that Cano’s market isn’t developing.
    ========================================
    if you want to count a rumor about a team nobody wants to sign an f/a contract with as ‘developing the market” then you might as well have counted cano meeting with the mets (at his agent’s suggestion) as developing his market too.

  146. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    “The timing is totally appropriate here. The Yankees just yesterday announced they would not go higher than 200 M on Cano. The translation of that is, if there is a team out there willing to go 200 M with Cano, come out with your offer and get on with it, we’ve got STUFF to do. And right on cue Seattle comes out of the woodwork with their amateur front office.”

    Pretty much

  147. AAA December 3rd, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Does he just want the money or does he want to remain a Yankee and ultimately win more
    WS titles and probably have his #24 end up in monument park someday?

    ============================================

    They all want the money.

  148. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Congrats to Tony Clark on his appointment as Executive Director of MLBPA

  149. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2013 at 3:43 pm
    Cano is really upsetting me at the moment.

    ————-

    I’m sure Cano felt the same way when he wanted to extend and the Yankees told him to play out the last two yrs of his contract.

  150. Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    I hope that Cano has told his agents where he wants to sign. Otherwise he will wind up like a Boras client and living in Seattle.

  151. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    I take Choo and Infante and push on.

  152. AAA December 3rd, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    The Yankees just yesterday announced they would not go higher than 200 M on Cano.

    ==================================

    The Yankees announced no such thing. “Sources” told Yahoo’s Jeff Passan the Yankees won’t go to $200M on Cano.

  153. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Captain Clutch says:
    December 3, 2013 at 3:47 pm
    I hope that Cano has told his agents where he wants to sign. Otherwise he will wind up like a Boras client and living in Seattle.

    It’s always up to the player in the end

  154. jacksquat December 3rd, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    3×16 for Beltran?

    No, can’t do that. At that point you should start considering Choo/Ellsbury instead.

  155. Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    @AndrewMarchand

    @conjpat I love Seattle. Great place. But Cano’s family lives 3 hours from NYC and half a day from Seattle.

  156. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    AAA,

    Do you believe in strategic leaks?

    I do.

  157. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    I’m telling you – Cano is going to wind up in Seattle. The Mariners had three targets. Beltran wound up in Kansas City and Abreu wound up in Chicago – that leaves Cano.

    It’s going to be the same pitch that the Mets gave Pedro and that the Nationals gave Werth, “come here and players will follow.”

    They’re going to sell him on being a cornerstone of the franchise in a way no position player has been since Junior was traded and on the fact that they have the pitching to compete now, they just need some bats.

  158. Ted Nelson December 3rd, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Blake,

    You have made the same point dozens of times. You can get pissy and call me names, but there’s just no need to keep repeating the same point. Especially not to the point of disrespecting people who disagree with you about some unknowable future outcome. You’re on the record. People get that you think Cano will get well over $200 million. Telling people who disagree or even dare to question you that they are delusional or whatever else you’re saying doesn’t make your opinion any more right or wrong.

    In terms of Choo, I wasn’t commenting on whether he’ll be “fine” in RF. I was responding to a commenter who said he is above-average in RF. Statistically that is not the case. He might be “fine,” but the difference between mediocre and above-average has real value.

  159. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    I strongly doubt Cano goes to Seattle.

    Here is a quote from replacement level yankees:
    “So, essentially, Cano wants $28 million a year over nine years.

    The Yankees are offering $24 million a year over seven years.

    Just get this done at $25 million a year over eight years and be done with it.”

    I think this is the most likely scenario. Not a big fan of signing any player to an 8 year contract but the Yankees MUST have Cano if they want to be competitive over the next 2 years. I could probably live with 8 years 200 million

  160. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    @AndrewMarchand

    @conjpat I love Seattle. Great place. But Cano’s family lives 3 hours from NYC and half a day from Seattle.
    ——————

    That’s as poor a reason to sign or not sign as Mike Hampton’s “I signed in Colorado for the schools” line.

    With what Cano’s going to make he can buy his family a wonderful house in Seattle.

  161. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    If Cano goes I like bringing in Phillips. Rumor mill is swirling in Cinci as he has been left off their fan fest schedule.

  162. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    If you can broadcast through media through leaks, it saves you time and a bunch of phone calls.

  163. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    “You can get pissy and call me names, but there’s just no need to keep repeating the same point. Especially not to the point of disrespecting people who disagree with you about some unknowable future outcome”

    I didn’t call you a name….I said the snark isn’t becoming and it’s not. If you don’t want to read something then don’t

  164. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    And I didn’t disrespect anyone….everyone is entitled to their opinion

  165. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    “In terms of Choo, I wasn’t commenting on whether he’ll be “fine” in RF. I was responding to a commenter who said he is above-average in RF. Statistically that is not the case. He might be “fine,” but the difference between mediocre and above-average has real value.”

    He’d be as good or better than Beltran out there at this point in their careers i think

  166. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Yanks should show they learned something from the A-Rod contract and move on. 8yrs $200 Mill for Cano ??? NOPE

  167. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Last I read the Yankees valued Cano at 24M year and were not ready to budge past the 7 years at that yearly figure.

  168. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Nice deal for Tampa Bay.

  169. Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    jacksquat December 3rd, 2013 at 3:48 pm
    3×16 for Beltran?

    No, can’t do that. At that point you should start considering Choo/Ellsbury instead.
    ———————————————————————————————————
    If Beltran wants 3 years, tell him to take a walk.
    I agree with Jack.
    Far too many years to invest in Beltran at this point in his career.

  170. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Do they even have the pieces to get Phillips.

  171. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    What would the tax difference be on a 175 contract in NY vs a 200 million dollar one in Seattle?

  172. Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    Yanks should show they learned something from the A-Rod contract and move on. 8yrs $200 Mill for Cano ??? NOPE
    ————————————————————————-
    Once again I have to agree.
    I think 7 yrs is one too many but I know that’s the price of doing business in The Bronx.
    Fine. So offer Cano 7 years. I can live with the length of that contract.

    Does Robbie really want to play in Seattle or Detroit or Texas? Or does he want to secure
    his legacy at a Yankees for life.

  173. Mottsx December 3rd, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    If Cano feels he is worth 8 or 9 and the Yankees don’t want to go more than 7 perhaps they can negotiate 7/175 with 2 vesting options. Therefore the player who claims he is worth the 8 and/or 9 years will have to earn those 2 extra years rather than just getting them and the Yankees will take less of a gamble.

    This way Cano will continue is durability and continue to not run down to first base like Teix on 1 bad leg… you know with heart. ;)

  174. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Chip

    Mike Hampton.

    Would that rank as one of the worst starting pitcher contracts in MLB history, or would Barry Zito’s top it?

  175. Howler December 3rd, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    If Seattle could build a good team, it would be a good place for Cano…he’d be the huge star there, travel sucks though. Good fans, nice city…it’s just not NY and doesn’t have the media blitz or the compensation that comes with that. He really hasn’t taken advantage of that to this point though.

  176. DONNYBROOK December 3rd, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    The more we talk about this, the more everyone is getting used to Cano playing for Seattle. BULLY

  177. Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    24m a year for 7 years with a vesting option for an 8th year has to be the limit for Cano. It would stink if he doesn’t come back butt hat is plenty for him and I can’t see them paying him more.

  178. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Washjngton doesn’t have income tax does it?

  179. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    I’m thinking considering taxes….175 in NY vs 200 in Seattle would actually be a difference of a lot more than 25 million in real money

  180. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Blake

    He might pay more taxes in NY, but then he’d likely get more lucrative endorsements in NY. Michael Jordan made more in endorsements yearly than from his contract.

  181. Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    @AndrewMarchand

    No matter how many millions, players often feel disrespected if their team doesn’t offer as much as another.

  182. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Yankee Trader says:
    December 3, 2013 at 4:00 pm
    Blake

    He might pay more taxes in NY, but then he’d likely get more lucrative endorsements in NY. Michael Jordan made more in endorsements yearly than from his contract.

    Yea that’s a factor….but is cano a big endorsement guy?

  183. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Alaska
    Florida
    Nevada
    South Dakota
    Texas
    Washington
    Wyoming

  184. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Does Robbie really want to play in Seattle or Detroit or Texas? Or does he want to secure
    his legacy at a Yankees for life.

    Legacy or 25 million extra dollars …

    All of this mumbo jumbo about playing in New York and legacy and whatever else is just nonsense. It’s all about money. The highest bidder will get Cano, period. You can say the same thing about 95% of all free agents in any sport. Does Cano really strike you as that 5% that really cares about his legacy or whatever? He signed with Jay-Z for god’s sake

    The only way the attraction of New York will come into play is if Cano has multiple offers all relatively close to one another. If Seattle offers 170 and New York offers 170 he will go to New York. If Seattle offers 200 and New York offers 170, he will go to Seattle. It’s that simple….

  185. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Michael Jordan was in a different stratosphere than Cano on pushing products…..

  186. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    8/200 + Sea can have him

  187. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Blake

    I’m sure his rap star agent can get him a Hanes endorsement! :)

    You are just partial because Jordan is a Tar Heel!

  188. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    You have to understand the two sides to this thing:

    The Yankees look at Cano as a fantastic player, but not someone who a) carries a team or b) puts up big revenue dollars (as in no one says “I have to go see Robbie Cano play”). So they’re not going to pay him on par with a guy like Pujols or Rodriguez in his hay day who did generate that kind of buzz.

    On the other hand Cano wants to be considered that player and so getting the kind of money that Pujols or Alex got puts him in that group – warranted or not.

    I’m with the Yankees on this – Cano is a tremendous player but so are David Wright and Dustin Pedroia and I think the deals they got are far more in line with what Robbie should be looking at.

  189. Yankee Trader December 3rd, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Show me the money!

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O.....play%253D1

  190. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Cano has like one endorsement.. he got a hook up with Pepsi through Jay-z. Cano’s “brand” is really not that strong. He isn’t even in the same discussion as A-rod, Jeter, etc Just look at TV ratings, jersey sales, Q rating, etc .. Jay-Z and Cano are trying to sell Cano as this massive superstar but he’s just not. Yes he’s a fantastic player on the field but he’s not a big marketing tool

  191. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    “I’m with the Yankees on this – Cano is a tremendous player but so are David Wright and Dustin Pedroia and I think the deals they got are far more in line with what Robbie should be looking at.”

    He’s better than both of them but still what he should get and what he will aren’t the same thing….neither of those guys made it to the open market. If D Wrigjht was a free agent right now he’d be gettin PAID too

  192. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    And Patrick’s right – the stuff about teams wanting a hometown discount from players by using “legacy” as logic is hogwash. Those teams, whether it’s the Yankees with Posada or Boston with Pedro and Youk will play hardball or dump you entirely when you’re no longer useful…legacy be damned.

    Look, St. Louis is far better off for not having re-signed Pujols when push came to shove. Maybe if Cano leaves the Yankees make a deal for Brandon Phillips or Howie Kendrick and still go out and secure Choo and maybe Headley or another quality player.

    Maybe the compensation pick they get back turns out to be Mike Trout.

    Or maybe the Yankees become cellar dwellers for the next 5 years. Never know.

  193. tomingeorgia December 3rd, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Regarding endorsement money, I, at least, have never seen the charisma and Q factor for Cano, except on the field. Can he sell stuff?

  194. Howler December 3rd, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    No taxes in WA. but Cano never really took much advantage of endorsements either, never really came across as someone who played well in the media. I think he might do better in Seattle because he’d be a bigger star there.

  195. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Mets probably sorry now they have to pay Wright 14 mil a year until 2020

  196. austinmac December 3rd, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    I would not bet against Cano signing wherever money was the best.

    Look at the current Yankees roster and compare to the current Mariners roster. Which is better? We only hope for better things ahead because we have had them in the past.

  197. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Granderson met with the mets and all he had to say was he enjoyed the salmon….funny

  198. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    at least Wright had 30/100 years..

  199. austinmac December 3rd, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    We can argue all day what Cano or any other player is “worth”. But, their market value is what someone will pay and the player will accept. Ultimately, the choice is do you pay the market value for the player or do you not. They are going to have to pay it for some players. We just don’t know from what tier.

    Our sole means for acquiring players seems to be via free agency since no one evidently wants what we have. What will the team look like if other teams outbid us regularly because the player wasn’t “worth” it?

  200. champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    The Yankees will go the 3 years for Beltran as they should because he’s the best value on the market @ RF and the 3rd year really doesn’t hurt them as he can be a DH.

    He offers what this team has been most lacking in the last few years….PROVEN POSTSEASON PRODUCTION.

    The team that pays Ellsbury $20+ mil will begain regretting it a month into the contract. He’s a 10 homer guy who is injury prone.

    When Ellsbury and Choo sign then the Cano market takes shape and could easily get to $25-$27mil for 8+ years.

    The Yanks know this which is why they’ve tried to scare teams away by floating the $310mil/10yr demand in the media.

    They also know Cano’s preference is to remain a Yankee and maintain is brand so their trying to pressure him into signing now before that market shapes up.

    If either Ellsbury or Choo sign within the next 2 weeks Cano’s offers increase and teams come out of the shadows and start tossing their hats in the ring.

    The Yanks should offer Robbie an 8/$200mil with a option for a 9th and make it a final offer with a 10 day expiration while in the meantime sitting down with Beltran and close him on a 3yr/$45mil offer. He’ll leave a mil on the table for a chance to play in NY over KC.

  201. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    The Yanks should offer Robbie an 8/$200mil with a option for a 9th and make it a final offer with a 10 day expiration while in the meantime sitting down with Beltran and close him on a 3yr/$45mil offer. He’ll leave a mil on the table for a chance to play in NY over KC.

    —————————————————–
    if they do that they will regret it 3-4 years into contract…he will be half the player he is now

    no 30/100 years no MVP forget it

  202. UpState December 3rd, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Unfortunately, Cano is not a media star.
    Struggles with English post-game interviews.
    Wonder truly if JayZ has something of any significance for him if he stays in NY (?)

    Would JayZ have something for him elsewhere (?)

  203. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Except he’s far better than Dustin and Wright.

  204. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    He offers what this team has been most lacking in the last few years….PROVEN POSTSEASON PRODUCTION.”

    You have to get to the postseason before that matters…..like Beltran but if you have to give 16 million or more a year from him you should just sign Choo instead.

  205. champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    And you know this how?

    Better question, how well is Big Papi doing right now at age 37-38?

    Do you really think that Robbie’s skillset isn’t such that he could be an excellent DH on the backend of that contract in the mold of an Edgar Martinez or a David Ortiz?

  206. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:16 pm
    at least Wright had 30/100 years..

    —————-

    Five yrs ago.

  207. austinmac December 3rd, 2013 at 4:31 pm

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    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 pm
    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
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    at least Wright had 30/100 years..

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  212. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    just saying ..when ARod did his contract at the same age ARod was a lot better player….

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    pkyankfan69 December 3rd, 2013 at 4:41 pm
    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 pm
    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
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    at least Wright had 30/100 years..

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    when did Cano have one
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    When did Wright have 5 years in a row of .872+ OPS, while playing MI, and playing 159+ game per year?
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    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 pm
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    at least Wright had 30/100 years..

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    Who’a better Cano or Wright

  216. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    pkyankfan69 December 3rd, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    If I’m the Yanks I offer Cano 8 years – $200M tomorrow… Take it or leave… If he wants to leave for an extra 10 -15 M per year enjoy Seattle or Washington or wherever… You make the offer knowing you are overpaying but also knowing you are the Yankees and can afford to do so to keep an elite home grown player.
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