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The inevitable market of Robinson Cano

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Robinson Cano
Considering he’s the best free agent on the market, and often considered the best in the game at his position, Robinson Cano’s free agency has generated little public attention outside of the Bronx. While the Yankees have been locked in negotiations for quite some time — going back to the regular season, really — no other serious suitor has emerged. Some teams have shown vague interest, and there have been rumors of potential interest, but it’s primarily been the Yankees and Cano with a whole bunch of money in between them.

Today, Wally Matthews reports that the Mariners have emerged as seriously players in the Cano bidding and might be willing to go eight years, $200 million. Matthews quotes an unnamed source who says it’s “less than 50-50″ that Cano will land back with the Yankees.

It’s a great bit of information, but wasn’t something like this inevitable?

Cano set an impossible asking price, and that was all part of the process. The Yankees countered with something resembling a bargain, because that’s what teams do in the beginning of a negotiation. There was a general belief that Cano would eventually re-sign in New York, and that very easily could have kept other teams from getting heavily involved (at least publicly). But time has always been a factor here. In time, a player like Cano is not going to be ignored. He’s too good, and too many teams have a weakness at second base, and we’ve seen too many times that high-profile free agents eventually find a team willing to pay. Maybe not a price as high as $300 million, but certainly something significant.

So, inevitably, a larger Cano market has emerged. We now have another team and another dollar figure thrown in the mix.

As for the “less than 50-50″ quote, I find it hard to ignore the fact that both the Yankees and the Cano camp are trying to play negotiation hardball here. Each one has reason to set the expectation that it’s ready and willing to move on. If Cano really wants to play in New York, well then he better make it happen soon. If the Yankees really want to bring back Cano, well then they better increase their offer. That’s the signal that “less than 50-50″ sends.

One other factor to consider was pointed out by Benjamin Kabak on Twitter: “Jay Z signs up his first client. First client signs in the most isolated market in the U.S. #nope”

Let me add that if Cano strictly wanted to follow the money, why not stay with Scott Boras? Signing with Jay-Z suggests wanting something other than inevitable riches. It suggests a desire for a level of fame and notoriety that New York — and not necessarily Seattle — can provide. Maybe Cano is willing to sacrifice that in the name of a massive contract. Maybe the Yankees are willing to up their offer in the name of keeping Cano on the roster. It is, after all, a negotiation. All of this is an inevitable part of the process.

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220 Responses to “The inevitable market of Robinson Cano”

  1. Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:08 pm
    You have to understand the two sides to this thing:

    The Yankees look at Cano as a fantastic player, but not someone who a) carries a team or b) puts up big revenue dollars (as in no one says “I have to go see Robbie Cano play”). So they’re not going to pay him on par with a guy like Pujols or Rodriguez in his hay day who did generate that kind of buzz.

    On the other hand Cano wants to be considered that player and so getting the kind of money that Pujols or Alex got puts him in that group – warranted or not.

    I’m with the Yankees on this – Cano is a tremendous player but so are David Wright and Dustin Pedroia and I think the deals they got are far more in line with what Robbie should be looking at.
    ————————————————————————————–

    If Cano had won an MVP by now or a couple batting titles(most experts projected Cano would win multiple AL batting titles at this point in his career), then maybe he might be worth
    the largest MLB free agent contract.
    Sadly, Cano has not won any of those awards and only 1 WS.
    Compared to other current and former Yankees, the case can be made that Cano is among the best players but not the very, very best.

  2. Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Cano is a very good player but he isn’t Cabrera or Pujols. His agent is trying to set the market like he is. The yanks will give him a very nice contract but they aren’t going to be foolish.

  3. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    “I’m with the Yankees on this – Cano is a tremendous player but so are David Wright and Dustin Pedroia and I think the deals they got are far more in line with what Robbie should be looking at.”

    He’s better than both of them but still what he should get and what he will aren’t the same thing….neither of those guys made it to the open market. If D Wrigjht was a free agent right now he’d be gettin PAID too
    ———————

    D Wright is getting paid and so is Pedroia.

    When you’re talking about the kind of money Cano wants it isn’t about how good of a player you are, it’s about whether or not you’re the kind of player people will line up to see.

    When I was 18 we all knew when the Mariners were coming to town because we wanted to go see Ken Griffey Jr. play; same thing with Barry Bonds, McGwire, Sosa and Alex. Cano doesn’t do that – no one (other than Yankee fans) says “I’ve got to see this guy play.” He’s not a guy who moves the needle and that, more than your ability as a player, is what teams consider when handing out these massive contracts. Whether or not they can make back in revenue what they’re paying you to play.

  4. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    I know David Wright is signed for 8 years but man that’s actually a really good deal for the Mets. Only 17.25 million a year. Cano is a more valuable player but you gotta think Wright would get 180-200 million if he had hit the open market

  5. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    WTP:

    The Yankee decision on Cano was made during the 2013 season. With Jeter, Alex and Tex out Cano was the only star position player and had the spotlight all to himself – he didn’t move the needle. He didn’t sell tickets. The biggest crowd and most buzz came when Alex came back.

    When the front office saw that they knew they couldn’t give him a deal based on the sort of revenue he generates because he doesn’t generate any.

    There are some who will say that you can’t let business get in the way of baseball, but that’s just not true. This is the business of baseball – giving a player a deal that hamstrings you in terms of your budget going forward and doesn’t offset that outlay by generating back any additional revenue makes no sense and puts you in a bad spot in both business and baseball.

  6. chicken little December 3rd, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    The Yankees rightly have left the 2b factor out of their consideration when figuring out what to pay Cano. I strongly believe that Cano’s stats get inflated in the media because he plays 2b, a position that generally (though obviously not always) is not where the power hitting players are. If Cano were an outfielder, 1B or 3B, he would be looked at differently. probably would still (rightly so) be considered the best FA available, but not to the extreme of $75 to $100 million more than the next tier. From a Yankee perspective the question has to be: can we replace Cano’s numbers by lengthening our lineup (with 2-3 solid FA pickups) whereas if we overpay Cano are we stuck with Cano and a lower tier guy in the OF?

  7. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    It’s surprising to me just what a large proportion are ready to accept Cano leaving. It raises the thought in my mind – yes, he is a great player. But is he anyone’s [b]favorite[/b] player? I get the impression that for all the production and role he plays, relatively few Yankee fans would say he’s their favorite.

  8. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    For the Mariners it makes sense to overpay for Cano, even if he’s not going to be the main attraction on the team (Felix Hernandez is) because they’re trying to bring legitimacy back to their organization.

    When no one wants to play for you because of where your team has finished and/or where you’re located you have to overpay that one big fish to convince other players that you’re serious. Washington tried to do it with Tex and finally got it done with Werth, the Mets did it with Pedro Martinez, the Rangers did it with Alex and, back in the day, the Yankees did it with Jimmy Key and Mike Gallego.

  9. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    “The Yankee decision on Cano was made during the 2013 season. With Jeter, Alex and Tex out Cano was the only star position player and had the spotlight all to himself – he didn’t move the needle.”

    Chip,

    I’m not disagreeing but I don’t think you can prove this. There is no baseline of having no Jeter, Alex, Tex and also no Cano. There is no way to know how much or how little Cano effected ticket sales in 2013.

    To be honest, I think it’s very rare that a single player will effect ticket sales. A-rod and Jeter are very special cases. The number 1 thing that effects ticket sales? Winning. And Cano is a winning player. Of all the potential free agents, signing Cano will be the single greatest positive in terms of wins. There is no other free agent that will have as much of a positive on the team.

    So putting aside all the marketing stuff, Cano is still the most important player the Yankees must sign.

  10. UpState December 3rd, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Unfortunately, Cano is not a media star.
    Struggles with English post-game interviews.
    Wonder truly if JayZ has something of any significance for him if he stays in NY (?)

    Would JayZ have something for him elsewhere (?)

  11. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Granderson had salmon behind our backs????

    That FLOOZY

  12. tomingeorgia December 3rd, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Regarding endorsement money, I, at least, have never seen the charisma and Q factor for Cano, except on the field. Can he sell stuff?

  13. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    It’s surprising to me just what a large proportion are ready to accept Cano leaving. It raises the thought in my mind – yes, he is a great player. But is he anyone’s [b]favorite[/b] player? I get the impression that for all the production and role he plays, relatively few Yankee fans would say he’s their favorite.
    ————————

    I think Robinson Cano is the most talented Yankee on the team.

    That said:

    1. None of these $200+ contracts work out well
    2. Teams have survived the losses of superstars before (St. Louis, Boston, San Francisco)

  14. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    It’s surprising to me just what a large proportion are ready to accept Cano leaving. It raises the thought in my mind – yes, he is a great player. But is he anyone’s [b]favorite[/b] player? I get the impression that for all the production and role he plays, relatively few Yankee fans would say he’s their favorite.
    ===================
    Life goes on.
    Hal has a budget and won’t be toyed with.
    Robbie is not beloved here.
    As long as they go after others sincerely, it’s still a team game.

  15. Mottsx December 3rd, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    It’s surprising to me just what a large proportion are ready to accept Cano leaving. It raises the thought in my mind – yes, he is a great player. But is he anyone’s [b]favorite[/b] player? I get the impression that for all the production and role he plays, relatively few Yankee fans would say he’s their favorite.

    You’re correct he doesn’t possess that favorite player factor because I’ve never said “Wait, I gotta see Cano’s at bat”.

    I have said “Wait, Mariano is pitching, let me see this last batter or inning”

    or “Jeter is up let me see this at bat”.

  16. chicken little December 3rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    I wonder if Cano eventually tries the “Bernie Approach” of calling Hal and saying “up the offer or I sign with _______.” That said, Bernie was about to sign with Boston and there was not really another viable FA still available.

  17. Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    UpState December 3rd, 2013 at 4:26 pm
    Unfortunately, Cano is not a media star.
    Struggles with English post-game interviews.

    ———————–
    Funny you mention his command of the English language.
    Cano does a lot of interviews and I always find myself scratching my head
    and wondering why his English has not improved.
    He’s not even up there with Bernie Williams or Cervelli.

  18. Hardcore Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    For the most part, Cano is an obscure athlete, and that’s with him playing in New York as a member of the most storied franchise in American sports. He’ll become completely irrelevant in Seattle unless they win championships.

    Before the year, I felt uncomfortable with anything more than $100-120M over 5 years. Since the market keeps rising, I could force myself to tolerate a $140-150M (which I’m almost sure will not be worth it over the life of the contract). But at $175 or $200 or whatever, don’t let the door hit you on your way out Robby.

  19. Russell Munson December 3rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Didn’t Cano have a Nike commercial with Bo Jackson?

  20. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    “The Yankee decision on Cano was made during the 2013 season. With Jeter, Alex and Tex out Cano was the only star position player and had the spotlight all to himself – he didn’t move the needle.”

    Chip,

    I’m not disagreeing but I don’t think you can prove this. There is no baseline of having no Jeter, Alex, Tex and also no Cano. There is no way to know how much or how little Cano effected ticket sales in 2013.

    To be honest, I think it’s very rare that a single player will effect ticket sales. A-rod and Jeter are very special cases. The number 1 thing that effects ticket sales? Winning. And Cano is a winning player. Of all the potential free agents, signing Cano will be the single greatest positive in terms of wins. There is no other free agent that will have as much of a positive on the team.

    So putting aside all the marketing stuff, Cano is still the most important player the Yankees must sign.
    ——————————–

    Patrick,

    I agree that it’s very rare that a player can impact a team’s bottom line. But that’s why these massive contracts are so rare too. Because if you’re going to give a player that kind of money it’s no longer a baseball decision, it’s a business decision.

  21. Howler December 3rd, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    I think Cano would be more of a draw in Seattle because he’d have the added attraction of having been signed away from the Yankees…they love the idea of sticking it to them. He’s an everyday player, and as much love as Hernandez has, he’s not.

  22. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    the mets chumped wright.

    he gave up tens of millions of dollars signing that deal on the promise that wilpon would spend big this year to give him help. there ya go,

  23. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    chicken little December 3rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    I wonder if Cano eventually tries the “Bernie Approach” of calling Hal and saying “up the offer or I sign with _______.” That said, Bernie was about to sign with Boston and there was not really another viable FA still available.
    ——————–

    Remember that winter they were considering Albert Belle as a Bernie alternative. And the contract Bernie was looking at wasn’t nearly on par with what the Cano team wants.

    If the Yankees feel that they could make a move that doesn’t cost them too much in terms of prospects for Kendrick or Phillips and also sign other players (Choo, Tanaka, Garza) then I think they’ll let him walk.

  24. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    I was speaking more from a marketing/fan appreciation standpoint. And maybe it does have quite a bit to do with his apparent lack of marketability.

    For instance, off the top of my head I know Jeter is a big Nike guy, and so is CC. Curtis Granderson does New Balance. Dave Robertson has his foundation. Tex hocks juice and just about anything else you want to put him in front of a camera with. No idea with Robbie.

  25. Howler December 3rd, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    much different scenario too having to watch him play with Boston.

  26. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Chip,
    when I mean getting PAID, I meant that if he were on the open market he’d get way more than 8/138.

  27. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 3m
    Source: #Padres acquire OF Seth Smith from #Athletics.

  28. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    JIM BOWDEN ?@JimBowdenESPNxm 11m
    Reds did not invite Brandon Phillips to Redsfest and sources continue to insist that he will traded between now and the end of the WTR Mtgs

  29. UpState December 3rd, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
    UpState December 3rd, 2013 at 4:26 pm
    Unfortunately, Cano is not a media star.
    Struggles with English post-game interviews.

    ———————–
    Funny you mention his command of the English language.
    Cano does a lot of interviews and I always find myself scratching my head
    and wondering why his English has not improved.
    He’s not even up there with Bernie Williams or Cervelli.
    ========================

    …Regardless if we like it or not…as far as marketability/likability (off the field)…interviews DO matter….

    …just by baseball skill – we love him…

    ..but “he ain’t no Derek Jeter / David Wright / or even Granderson” in the likability catagory.

  30. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Jeff Passan ?@JeffPassan 40s
    Oakland’s bullpen is scary good: Jim Johnson, Ryan Cook, Luke Gregerson, Sean Doolittle, Jerry Blevins, Dan Otero, Jesse Chavez and more.

  31. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Let’s say that Cano goes to the Mariners

    Yankees and Angels do a deal where the Yankees get Howie Kendrick for Ivan Nova and another prospect (call him Campos for the sake of argument)

    Yankees sign Tanaka, Choo, Kuroda, Garza, Reynolds and Garrett Jones and trade Ichiro to the White Sox for Keppinger

    You’re looking at:

    Gardner – CF
    Jeter – SS
    Choo – RF
    Soriano – LF
    Tex – 1b
    McCann – C
    Kendrick – 2b
    Jones – DH
    Keppinger – 3b

    Bench: Cervelli, Ryan, Nunez, Reynolds (or Wells)

    Rotation:
    CC, Kuroda, Garza, Tanaka, Pineda

  32. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Chip
    why would you not just sign Infante rather than trade your 2nd best pitcher for Howie Kendrick in that scenario?

  33. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    then you don’t have to waste money on Matt Garza……

  34. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 3m
    Source: #Padres acquire OF Seth Smith from #Athletics.
    —————-

    Busy day in Oakland – I would have thought that with Gentry on board they were going to look at platooning him and Smith and that Reddick would be the one on the move.

  35. champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    He offers what this team has been most lacking in the last few years….PROVEN POSTSEASON PRODUCTION.”

    You have to get to the postseason before that matters…..like Beltran but if you have to give 16 million or more a year from him you should just sign Choo instead.
    ——————————————————————————————————

    I would prefer to pay the elite guy in this case Beltran for a shorter period of time than the above average guy in Choo who maybe best used as a platoon player for a longer period of time. And does anybody doubt that Boras will get less than 6years for Choo? And if he gets Ellsbury signed for 7years first then Choo will get 7years as well.

    Look at what’s happened so far in the marketplace…..Peralta coming of a PED suspension got 4years @ about 3mil more than what most thought would be there for him.

    Kazmir who’d been out of baseball for 2 years spun a so so year and a very good 6 week stretch into 2yrs/$22mil!!!

  36. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    JIM BOWDEN ?@JimBowdenESPNxm 1m
    Billy Beane’s rebuilt bullpen now includes: Jim Johnson,Luke Gregerson,Ryan Cook,Sean Doolittle, Dan Otero, Jerry Blevins #Nasty #Affordable

    is it just me or did Billy Beane get a lot better after moneyball came out…..he didn’t do anything for years and then all the sudden he started killing it again.

  37. Yanksfanmc76 December 3rd, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Should Cano sign elsewhere, we should do the following:

    Trade Gardy to Cincy for Phillips
    Sign Beltran
    Sign Ellsbury

    1. Ellsbury CF
    2. Jeter SS
    3. Beltran Rf/DH
    4. Teixeira 1B
    5. Soriano LF
    6. McCann C
    7. Phillips 2b
    8. Reynolds 3B
    9. Ichiro RF

  38. Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    If Cano doesn’t come back it would be interesting to see what the Yanks can or would do with the money. If they got Choo that would eat most of the money. Otherwise some combo of Garza, Balfour, Infante and Tanaka would be a nice haul.

  39. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Chip
    why would you not just sign Infante rather than trade your 2nd best pitcher for Howie Kendrick in that scenario?
    ——————-

    Because Kendrick is superior to Infante.

    Garza wouldn’t be a waste of money – quality starter with a good track record in the AL East and no draft pick attached.

  40. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    “I would prefer to pay the elite guy in this case Beltran for a shorter period of time than the above average guy in Choo who maybe best used as a platoon player for a longer period of time”

    you gotta back this up…..how exactly is Beltran a better play at 37 than Choo is right now at 31?

    2013:
    Choo:.285 .423 .462 .885. 143 OPS +
    Beltran:.296 .339 .491 .830 128 OPS +

    Beltran also is close to being a liability defensively and his OBP has declined 3 years in a row. Choo is not only better right now…..he’s 6 years younger and will be Beltran’s age AFTER a 6 year contract.

    Beltran for 2 years at like 15 per…..I get…..Beltran for 3/50 or something is a very bad idea

  41. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Will Garza refuse to shave his chin pubes a la Brian Wilson?

  42. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    As someone who loathes the over use of WAR take this for what you will:

    Cano: 5.3
    Kendrick: 3.3
    Infante: 2.2
    Phillips: 1.9

  43. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Kenrick :.297 .335 .439 .775

    Infante:.318 .345 .450 .795

    that plan doesn’t produce much if any of a better team and probably would cost 70 million more dollars.

  44. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    I’d rather have Infante+ Nova and the 70 million or so than Kendrick and Garza

  45. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    With Jeter, Alex and Tex out Cano was the only star position player and had the spotlight all to himself

    ———————-

    The spotlight to himself on a team with Wells and Ichiro running around.

  46. hardwired7 December 3rd, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Threatening to sign with Seattle isn’t exactly going to have the Yanks shaking in their boots.

    This isn’t like the Bernie situation where he was being wooed by the dreaded Red Sox. The Yanks have made a fair offer (adeptly leaked), and they should know there won’t be a major backlash from the fans if he spurns it.

    The Yanks are playing this just right, imho.

  47. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Infante probably isn’t as good as Kendrick but I wouldnt trade the difference for the money difference between Nova and Garza….

  48. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    How about ..

    Sign Cano, Kuroda, Tanaka, Choo

    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Teixeira 1B
    Choo RF
    Soriano LF
    McCann C
    Wells DH (I suppose?)
    Ryan 3B

    Bench: Cervelli, Nunez, Ichiro, whatever

    Rotation: CC, Nova, Kuroda, Tanaka, Pineda

  49. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    I agree…..Seattle might push the Yankees a little but they aren’t going to budge a whole lot until a real threat emerges…..

  50. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Has Jeter made a call to Robbie as yet?
    I know Arod has not..

  51. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    pkyankfan69 December 3rd, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    If I’m the Yanks I offer Cano 8 years – $200M tomorrow… Take it or leave… If he wants to leave for an extra 10 -15 M per year enjoy Seattle or Washington or wherever… You make the offer knowing you are overpaying but also knowing you are the Yankees and can afford to do so to keep an elite home grown player.
    ——————————————-
    they will regret it just like they are doing with Arod,CC & Tex

  52. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    As someone who loathes the over use of WAR take this for what you will:

    Cano: 5.3
    Kendrick: 3.3
    Infante: 2.2
    Phillips: 1.9

    Where did you get those numbers? Fangraphs had Cano at 6.0 last year, b-ref had him at 7.6.

    Cano is an elite player ..

  53. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Jeff Passan @JeffPassan
    Sources: Yankees among many teams showing interest in A’s starter Brett Anderson. A’s likely to deal him at Winter Meetings.

    Exactly the kind of high-risk, high reward guy the Yankees like. Wouldn’t mind taking him on depending on the price.

  54. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Yanksfanmc76 December 3rd, 2013 at 4:44 pm
    Should Cano sign elsewhere, we should do the following:

    Trade Gardy to Cincy for Phillips
    Sign Beltran
    Sign Ellsbury
    —————————-
    there you go …I like it

  55. champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Chicken Little

    That’s the point about what cano is but you have it backwards. Cano is the rare baseball player in that he gives you corner (1B/3B/OF) production at a middle infielder position as well as GG caliber defense. He’s 1 of of 2 guys like him in the sport Tulo being the other.

    Ask yourself if Tulo was a FA in this market would you be against the Yanks going 8,9,10 years for him?

  56. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Jeff Passan ?@JeffPassan 7m
    Sources: Yankees among many teams showing interest in A’s starter Brett Anderson. A’s likely to deal him at Winter Meetings.

    well that would be cool

  57. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    It’s surprising to me just what a large proportion are ready to accept Cano leaving.

    ———————–

    They’re taking him for granted…it happens in many cases. Remember what fans said about Jeter when he became a free agent. “We’ve paid him enough…he’s greedy..let him walk”

  58. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    CC
    Kuroda
    Tanaka
    Nova
    Pineda

    Brett Anderson
    Phelps
    Warren
    Nuno

  59. 4TrainNorth December 3rd, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Cano will fade into bolivian in Seattle, and he and Jay Z know it. This is all ridiculous. Cano, stop doing more damage to your rep here when you are so obvs staying.

  60. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    As someone who loathes the over use of WAR take this for what you will:

    Cano: 5.3
    Kendrick: 3.3
    Infante: 2.2
    Phillips: 1.9

    Where did you get those numbers? Fangraphs had Cano at 6.0 last year, b-ref had him at 7.6.

    Cano is an elite player ..

    ____________

    Baseball Reference.com

  61. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    the yanks will get outbid for Anderson most likely…..what do they have to trade to Oakland?

  62. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 4:56 pm
    Chicken Little

    That’s the point about what cano is but you have it backwards. Cano is the rare baseball player in that he gives you corner (1B/3B/OF) production at a middle infielder position as well as GG caliber defense. He’s 1 of of 2 guys like him in the sport Tulo being the other.

    Ask yourself if Tulo was a FA in this market would you be against the Yanks going 8,9,10 years for him?
    ——————————————
    yes because he’s injury prone & we know how peeps here don’t like injury prone players

  63. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    obviously the A’s don’t need bullpen help…..

  64. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    You could probably leave out Kuroda and do something with that money.

    CC
    Tanaka
    Nova
    Pineda
    Anderson

    Phelps
    Warren
    Nuno
    Banuelos

  65. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    What would the A’s be looking for??

  66. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Jeff Passan ?@JeffPassan 7m
    Sources: Yankees among many teams showing interest in A’s starter Brett Anderson. A’s likely to deal him at Winter Meetings.

    well that would be cool
    ——————–

    Yes, because the Yankees have had great fortune in cultivating young pitchers – especially those with injury issues.

  67. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    I agree…..Seattle might push the Yankees a little but they aren’t going to budge a whole lot until a real threat emerges…..
    ——————-

    I don’t know how to tell you this – but Seattle is a real threat.

  68. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Blake,

    How about Brett Gardner for Anderson? Sign Ellsbury.

  69. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    well that would be cool

    I’m not sold .. Anderson has never been healthy. His first season in the majors was 2009 and it was the first and only year he has been healthy. I’d take a flier on him if he were non-tendered, otherwise hell no

  70. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    What would the A’s be looking for??
    ——————

    The Yankees are running out of catching prospects to trade for pitching.

  71. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Baseball Reference.com

    Looks like you were quoting wins above average. Very different than Wins Above Replacement (WAR)

  72. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    @Bret

    That just made me go “huh” out loud. I think I like it.

  73. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm
    the yanks will get outbid for Anderson most likely…..what do they have to trade to Oakland?
    ———————————
    Gardner

  74. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    well that would be cool

    I’m not sold .. Anderson has never been healthy. His first season in the majors was 2009 and it was the first and only year he has been healthy. I’d take a flier on him if he were non-tendered, otherwise hell no
    ————————-

    I agree. If I had more (any) faith in the Yankees to rehab a pitcher or handle one with injury issues I might be inclined to make a move.

  75. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Cervelli + Heathcott + Betances for Brett Anderson

  76. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:00 pm
    Blake,

    How about Brett Gardner for Anderson? Sign Ellsbury.
    —————————
    their OF looks about set

  77. champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    There will be more than Seattle enter the Cano sweepstakes before it’s all said and done. I wouldn’t be surprised if Texas and Detroit get involved here shortly.

    Once Ellsbury of Choo sign then Cano’s market heats up.If both players sign before Robbie then it really can go parabolic.

    Just for fun take a look at next years FA class. There is nothing there. Robbie is literally the best hitter that will be available FA wise until Miggy’s contract ends.

  78. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    I don’t see how any sane GM would trade more than a B or C prospect for Anderson. Lot of upside but it looks to be a pipe dream at this point..

  79. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    He pitched out of the bullpen the end of last year and I think he’s worth elite reliever value. If he proves he can start then that’s a bonus.

  80. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    how about Cervelli and Gardner and Heathcott and Betances for Anderson and Riddick

  81. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:01 pm
    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    What would the A’s be looking for??
    ——————

    The Yankees are running out of catching prospects to trade for pitching.

    ———————–

    The fact that they would be trading for pitching tells you all you need to know. Wasn’t the point over the past 8 yrs to grow their own pitchers lol.

  82. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Baseball Reference.com

    Looks like you were quoting wins above average. Very different than Wins Above Replacement (WAR)
    ————-

    You’re correct. My bad.

    I got Phillips right at 1.9
    Cano is at 7.6
    Infante 2.4
    Kendrick 3.3

  83. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Hanley Ramirez is a FA after 2014 and before Miggy’s one.

  84. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    is it just me or did Billy Beane get a lot better after moneyball came out…..he didn’t do anything for years and then all the sudden he started killing it again.

    —————-

    Cano has the Jay Z factor and Billy has the Brad Pitt factor…

  85. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:05 pm
    Hanley Ramirez is a FA after 2014 and before Miggy’s one.
    ———————————————————
    Hanley will re-up soon

  86. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    how about Cervelli and Gardner and Heathcott and Betances for Anderson and Riddick

    ______________

    +1

  87. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    I’d be even less inclined to give Hanley a big contract in his 30s than I am Cano.

  88. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:01 pm
    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    What would the A’s be looking for??
    ——————

    The Yankees are running out of catching prospects to trade for pitching.

    ———————–

    The fact that they would be trading for pitching tells you all you need to know. Wasn’t the point over the past 8 yrs to grow their own pitchers lol.
    —————–

    Correct – the rotation by now was supposed to be:

    Hughes, Joba, Banuelos, Betances, Brackman

  89. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Come on chipper cano isn’t going to Seattle unless they are like WAY above everyone else

  90. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm
    the yanks will get outbid for Anderson most likely…..what do they have to trade to Oakland?
    ———————————
    Gardner

    ————–

    No way am I trading Gardner for Anderson.. you trade Anderson for prospects or something and probably not even your best ones.

  91. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    I think if I’m Hanley I see what Peralta got and I venture out there into free agency. The money out there is sickening. Kemp made a mistake.

  92. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Come on chipper cano isn’t going to Seattle unless they are like WAY above everyone else

    —————-

    I agree with Chip.. I don’t get why people think he won’t go there. Cano already has his WS ring. He’s looking for the highest bidder.

  93. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Hanley .879 career OPS
    Cano .860 career OPS

    Hanley is 2 years younger and plays SS!!!

    Give me both, or give me death.

  94. Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    @Buster_ESPN

    Other teams becoming convinced that Carlos Beltran is going to land with the Royals, on a deal of 3/$48 million.

  95. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    when would kemp have become an FA? maybe he took the dodgers to the clearners, especially if he doesnt get back healthy.

  96. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Correct – the rotation by now was supposed to be:

    Hughes, Joba, Banuelos, Betances, Brackman

    ———————-

    Yea that was the hope. But let’s say that’s too much of a pipe dream at worst it could have been CC, Joba, Hughes, Manny, Nova

  97. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    ?@ChrisCotillo

    Multiple reports have Saltalamacchia headed to the #Marlins as very likely.

  98. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 24s
    If Yanks don’t get Beltran, leverage goes to Cano. Because it is Cano or pay Choo or Ellsbury.

    Anyone else think Andrew Marchand is clueless? He draws the oddest conclusions based on completely unrelated information

  99. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Give me both,

    ————–

    That’s the Yankee way.

  100. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    I’m so happy though without Hughes and Joba there will be far less dwelling on the past. Those 2 busting really demoralized the fan base.

  101. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 24s
    If Yanks don’t get Beltran, leverage goes to Cano. Because it is Cano or pay Choo or Ellsbury.

    Anyone else think Andrew Marchand is clueless? He draws the oddest conclusions based on completely unrelated information

    ———————–

    Lol he’s worse than Heyman

  102. champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Hanley is not a SS and Peralta has no impact on HanRam’s contract. The only thing standing in the way of $150+ mil for Hanram is health. If Hanley plays 140 games next year and has a repeat of this years production while on the field he will get at least 6/$150 on the FA market. the Dodgers may try to re-up him this year @ 5/$125MM and it will be interesting to see if Hanley signs.

    He’d be betting that he stays healthy if he doesn’t sign and if he does play a healthy season then he’s get a lot more $.

  103. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Those 2 busting really demoralized the fan base.

    ————–

    But the Yankees haven’t done much prospect wise to re-energize the base.

  104. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    How does Chris Cotello have all these sources

  105. Shame Spencer December 3rd, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    @jonmorosi

    BIG trade: Astros acquire Dexter Fowler and played to be named from Rockies for outfielder Brandon Barnes and RHP Jordan Lyles. @FOXSports1

  106. chicken little December 3rd, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Marchand may be clueless but not because of his leverage statement. Every big name free agent that signs elsewhere is more leverage to Cano because then there is one less big bat available for the Yankees to sign.

  107. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    If the Yankees don’t get Beltran maybe it just means they are smart

  108. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    @jonmorosi: BIG trade: Astros acquire Dexter Fowler and played to be named from Rockies for outfielder Brandon Barnes and RHP Jordan Lyles. @FOXSports1

    What? The Rockies are crazy

  109. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Peralta’s contract proves the market for SS is totally inflated. Please hold out for more money Hanram.

  110. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Marchand may be clueless but not because of his leverage statement. Every big name free agent that signs elsewhere is more leverage to Cano because then there is one less big bat available for the Yankees to sign.

    My point is that the Yankees have plenty of money for Cano and Beltran. Or Cano and Choo, etc. Signing one or the other doesn’t preclude them from making more moves. If the Yankees don’t get Beltran it doesn’t change the discussions with Cano at all. And if they do sign Cano there is no reason they can’t also sign Choo or Ellsbury.

    It’s just a nonsense post by a sports writer trying to make a story out of nothing. Something Marchand does a lot, he’s kind of a bozo.

  111. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Shame,
    I really don’t think Robbie will go to Seattle unless they offer a lot more than everyone else…..jay z doesn’t want his first big client going to Safeco to disappear and Cano doesn’t want that either . It’s a ploy to push the market IMo

  112. Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    At this rate it doesn’t seem like there will be anything left to do at the winter meetings. The trades today have been crazy. Hopefully Cashman had phone service today…

  113. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    I know the Yankees have been skimpy on the prospects but I have closure now that no fans can sprinkle any kind of prospect glitter on Hughes and Joba’s ugly mug.

  114. chicken little December 3rd, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Marchand may be clueless but not because of his leverage statement. Every big name free agent that signs elsewhere is more leverage to Cano because then there is one less big bat available for the Yankees to sign.

    My point is that the Yankees have plenty of money for Cano and Beltran. Or Cano and Choo, etc. Signing one or the other doesn’t preclude them from making more moves. If the Yankees don’t get Beltran it doesn’t change the discussions with Cano at all. And if they do sign Cano there is no reason they can’t also sign Choo or Ellsbury.

    It’s just a nonsense post by a sports writer trying to make a story out of nothing. Something Marchand does a lot, he’s kind of a bozo.
    ___________________________________________________________________
    If Beltran signs with KC, its one less bat for the Yankees to sign. Making it a necessity to sign Choo or acquire someone of his equivalent. So Cano can tell the Yankees: “your plan to replace me what Beltran and Choo or Beltran/Choo and someone else? Well Beltran is off the board. Choo is now asking for more money than before, who are you actually getting to replace me?”

  115. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    @JeffPassan: Sources: Marlins closing in on a three-year deal for around $22M with catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia. http://t.co/75O51ID4lE

    Love McCAnn but 3/22 for Salty might be a better value

  116. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    The Yankees can tell Cano, we are replacing you and Beltran with Choo AND Ellsbury so F off.

  117. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    maybe Ellsbury wants to come here

  118. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Things get dicey if Choo comes off the table before Cano. But Boras won’t give JZ that luxury, not his style to pull a McCann anyways.

  119. champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Marchand is right in this case. If the Yanks don’t sign Beltran then Robbie does gain leverage with the Yanks.

    Robbie is the ONLY elite hitter available and Beltran obviously in the Yanks mind or board is the second best.

    I’d be willing to bet internally they believe that their is a substantial drop to the next tier of Choo then Ellsbury.

    If they lose Beltran to KC it probably does increase the need to resign Cano.

    They certainly would not want to have to turn to Boras hat in hand an overpay for Choo or Ellsbury to the tune of 7yrs/20+ mil.

  120. kd December 3rd, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    i get the feeling that cano won’t sign until this arod mess has come to a conclusion

  121. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources confirm reports of others: #Marlins close with Saltalamacchia on three-year, $21M contract.

  122. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    @JeffPassan: Sources: Marlins closing in on a three-year deal for around $22M with catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia. http://t.co/75O51ID4lE

    Love McCAnn but 3/22 for Salty might be a better value
    ————————-

    Salty is hot garbage.

    The fact that he was benched for David Ross tells you what you need to know about him.

  123. austinmac December 3rd, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Today we learned of very real competition for the two main free agents associated with the team, Cano and Beltran. If the Mariners will go $225 for nine years, he is gone. An agent, any agent, can sell a big contract as a win. If the Yankees won’t get darn close for Beltran, he too will be gone.

    If we get neither, big problems. There is a lot of competition for the rest of the good free agents. I suspect there are lots of teams willing to spend more than the Yankees for Choo etc.

  124. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    That’s a steal for Salty IMO and I’m a little surprised Boston wouldn’t go there

  125. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Blake,

    If the Mariners are prepared to give Cano 8 years and 26 per year – he’s going to Seattle.

  126. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    That’s a steal for Salty IMO and I’m a little surprised Boston wouldn’t go there
    —————

    I think the fact that Boston wouldn’t go there tells you that it wasn’t so much of a steal.

  127. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:29 pm
    That’s a steal for Salty IMO and I’m a little surprised Boston wouldn’t go there
    ——————————
    didn’t the RS get a catcher today

  128. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Cano has no added leverage. He can’t assume Beltran was a replacement or a buffer for him. We already signed McCann as a buffer and Cano doesn’t know if we had money for Cano AND Beltran. We can take Cano and Beltran money and apply it to Choo and Ellsbury. Again, the leverage needle moves a ton if Choo disappears. We have to have 1 OF anyways with all 3 of ours in contract years in 2014 and no OF prospects in sight.

  129. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    I’m surprised the Rockies gave up Fowler for relatively little.

  130. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Cano will fade into bolivian in Seattle,
    =======================
    Sounds like something Mike Tyson would say..

  131. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Wonder if the Fowler deal sets the Rockies up to sign either Choo or Ellsbury (depending on where they want to play CarGo)

  132. austinmac December 3rd, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Bret,

    You are assuming after getting outbid for the two players they wanted the most, they are then going to outbid others for Choo and Ellsbury? I don’t see it.

  133. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    I think we should just sign Ellsbury now.

    If Cano signs after that, you keep Gardner

    If Cano leaves after that, you sign Choo and trade Gardner.

  134. champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Brett

    The problem is Cano( $25-26MM) and Beltran($16MM) are much much better than Choo ($20MM) and Ellsbury ($22MM) for the same $.

    And Ellsbury for the Yanks is a redundant player because for as much as many on here don’t want accept all he is is a slightly better version of Brett Gardner. How in the hell is he a huge overpay @ $20mil per?

  135. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Get Grandy back.

  136. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    austinmac December 3rd, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Bret,

    You are assuming after getting outbid for the two players they wanted the most, they are then going to outbid others for Choo and Ellsbury? I don’t see it.

    _________________

    They don’t want any player “most”. They have players they want at their prices. It’s possible Beltran and Cano have the most ridiculous price tags. We’ll see though.

  137. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    ESPN’s Buster Olney reports that A.J. Pierzynski’s one-year deal with the Red Sox is for $8.25 million.
    The deal is pending a physical. Pierzynski likely could have received two years elsewhere, but it appears that the Red Sox paid more to get him at one year. The 36-year-old earned $7.5 million in 2013 while batting .272/.297/.425 with 17 home runs and 70 RBI over 134 games with Texas.
    —————————————–
    no need for Salty

  138. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    last 3 years combined.

    McCann: .786 OPS
    Salty: .763.

    2013: Salty .804
    McCann: .796.

    Salty is also a couple years younger….McCann is better but is he 60 million better? I’m not sure. I still lvoe the McCann signing…..just saying I think that’s a really good deal for Salty at age 28

  139. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Brett

    The problem is Cano( $25-26MM) and Beltran($16MM) are much much better than Choo ($20MM) and Ellsbury ($22MM) for the same $.

    ________________

    I disagree. I think the production is comparable plus you get something for Gardner when you trade him. If he’s anywhere near Ellsbury’s value, I mean, if you want to say there’s hardly a difference then his trade value should return a significant player. If they’re so similar, Gardner would be getting 20 M in this market. That’s worth a closer.

  140. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    some of you guys just werent cut out to live through the FA season.

    if a rumor about a mariner’s offer that even the mariner’s wont confirm scares you, you need to root for a team like the padres or someone who doesnt really do FA’s

    or just take the winter off and check in around feb 1.

  141. chicken little December 3rd, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    The Beltran thing comes down to how much does he really want to play here. He was willing to take a pay cut and sign with the yanks a few years ago. If the Yanks offered a vesting option for the third year or $20 mil a year for the first two years and $8 mil for year 3, maybe he comes. Not saying that is wise for the Yanks, but to get the guy I assume they will have to in some way work around the year 3 problem.

  142. Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    My view is the Yanks need to sign Cano if they want a real chance at winning the World Series. They need to pay what the market is for him, and that’s probably north of $200M.

    If that means busting $189M, so be it, that’s the price of playing to win and they are the ones that gave those deals to ARod, CC and Tex.

  143. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    My view is the Yanks need to sign Cano if they want a real chance at winning the World Series. They need to pay what the market is for him, and that’s probably north of $200M.

    If that means busting $189M, so be it, that’s the price of playing to win and they are the ones that gave those deals to ARod, CC and Tex.

    I think a lot of people are forgetting this point, and it’s a very good one. If the Yankees ditch Cano they probably won’t be competitive in 2014 or 2015. Cano is by far the best player on the market.

  144. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    last 3 years combined.

    McCann: .786 OPS
    Salty: .763.

    2013: Salty .804
    McCann: .796.

    Salty is also a couple years younger….McCann is better but is he 60 million better? I’m not sure. I still lvoe the McCann signing…..just saying I think that’s a really good deal for Salty at age 28
    ———————-

    Again though I will point out that Boston preferred David Ross to Salty in the post season, made no effort to re-sign him and instead went with a guy 10 years older for similar money.

    As much as I hate the Red Sox they’re not dumb.

  145. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    They need to pay what the market is for him, and that’s probably north of $200M.
    ========================
    That could be pretty far North…like Seattle.

  146. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Brett

    ________________ I disagree. I think the production is comparable plus you get something for Gardner when you trade him. If he’s anywhere near Ellsbury’s value, I mean, if you want to say there’s hardly a difference then his trade value should return a significant player. If they’re so similar, Gardner would be getting 20 M in this market. That’s worth a closer.-
    —————————————–
    yea Ellsbury and Gardner are so close in terms of stats and Gardner is such a great OFer and has value..so lets see what he can bring back in return. my guess not much but he’s good though
    yea E

  147. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Oh now we are getting all clingy with Cano. Fans made the same argument when Arod opted out – said we couldn’t win a WS without him. F that.

  148. Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    blake,

    That’s a compelling argument for Salty but..

    McCann career wOBA .353, Salty career wOBA .322. Salty is 1 year younger for the record.

    Defense is kind of up in the air, but I”d be inclined to say they are pretty even.

    I think you are overrating Salty just a touch

  149. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    yeah, lets trade away a guy we could extend for maybe 3/$30M and replace him with someone who’s marginally for 6/$120.

    now that’s good FO work…

  150. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    with or without Cano the NYY aren’t going to win any WS without SPing

  151. Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    “Oh now we are getting all clingy with Cano. ”

    Hey, we could be like Kansas City! The Royals have real fans, and they don’t need no stinkin’ World Series victories.

  152. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:42 pm
    Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Brett

    ________________ I disagree. I think the production is comparable plus you get something for Gardner when you trade him. If he’s anywhere near Ellsbury’s value, I mean, if you want to say there’s hardly a difference then his trade value should return a significant player. If they’re so similar, Gardner would be getting 20 M in this market. That’s worth a closer.-
    —————————————–
    yea Ellsbury and Gardner are so close in terms of stats and Gardner is such a great OFer and has value..so lets see what he can bring back in return. my guess not much but he’s good though
    yea E

    _________

    That’s what bothers me most about the rationale for keeping Gardner. He’s got all this great value so we need to keep him since he’s only slightly less productive than a guy who’s about to get 20+ M as a free agent yet he has no trade value despite the fact he earns 3 M.

    It’s like they’re saying, he’s great let’s keep him his trade value sucks too – in the same breath.

    Make up your mind. If his trade value sucks, he’s probably not a must have player on your roster.

  153. Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN

    Source: Tigers are hot for a left-handed outfield bat; Shin-Soo Choo is their top target.

  154. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    it seems like the only place Gardner has value is with the NYY…

  155. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Patrick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    My view is the Yanks need to sign Cano if they want a real chance at winning the World Series. They need to pay what the market is for him, and that’s probably north of $200M.

    If that means busting $189M, so be it, that’s the price of playing to win and they are the ones that gave those deals to ARod, CC and Tex.

    I think a lot of people are forgetting this point, and it’s a very good one. If the Yankees ditch Cano they probably won’t be competitive in 2014 or 2015. Cano is by far the best player on the market.
    ——————

    I think you’re really overstating it.

    If the Yankees sign Cano for an obscene number that prevents them from addressing other needs then they also won’t be competitive in 14 or 15.

    On the other hand if they let Cano go, sign a few other pieces and improve those areas they can easily be competitive.

  156. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Joeman,

    Right, he’s MVP here, one of the most valuable players in the game. To anyone else, not worth squat in a trade.

  157. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    i dont think that’s overstating it at all. i definitely believe that if there’s no cano, there’s no chance of winning the division the next 2 years.

  158. Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    If the Tigers take Choo off the board and Cano leaves the Yanks will be stuck with garbage. Dombrowski is a very good gm and makes a lot of moves and usually gets what he wants. Cashman needs to get busy.

  159. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    That’s what bothers me most about the rationale for keeping Gardner. He’s got all this great value so we need to keep him since he’s only slightly less productive than a guy who’s about to get 20+ M as a free agent yet he has no trade value despite the fact he earns 3 M.

    It’s like they’re saying, he’s great let’s keep him his trade value sucks too – in the same breath.

    Make up your mind. If his trade value sucks, he’s probably not a must have player on your roster.
    ——————————————
    your tossing gas on my fire please stop

  160. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2013 at 5:45 pm
    “Oh now we are getting all clingy with Cano. ”

    Hey, we could be like Kansas City! The Royals have real fans, and they don’t need no stinkin’ World Series victories.

    ________

    It takes a team. In place of Arod will be multiple talents. Same goes for Cano. Same for Pujols.

  161. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Gardner has value – he’s an elite defender and getting better as a leadoff hitter. But he’s also 30 (not a great age for a speedy player’s legs) has had some injury issues, can be streaky as hell and is about to enter his walk year – so that value is tempered.

  162. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Watch. Yanks will get Granderson, Kuroda and Infante.

    Gardner
    Jeter
    McCann
    Soriano
    Tex
    Granderson
    Reynolds
    Infante
    Nunez
    Holy Holes Batman!

  163. Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    i dont think that’s overstating it at all. i definitely believe that if there’s no cano, there’s no chance of winning the division the next 2 years.
    ———————–

    If you take the current lineup and add Cano I don’t think they’re winning the division either.

    Gardner
    Jeter – DH
    Cano
    Tex
    Soriano
    McCann
    Nunez – SS
    Ryan – 3b
    Ichiro – RF

  164. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Captain Clutch December 3rd, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    If the Tigers take Choo off the board and Cano leaves the Yanks will be stuck with garbage. Dombrowski is a very good gm and makes a lot of moves and usually gets what he wants. Cashman needs to get busy.

    ___________

    I think we should just sign Ellsbury now.

    If Cano signs after that, you keep Gardner

    If Cano leaves after that, you sign Choo and trade Gardner.

    The plan gets crushed if Choo signs before Cano. Again, Boras likes to wait and JZ took Cano.

  165. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:51 pm
    Gardner has value – he’s an elite defender and getting better as a leadoff hitter. But he’s also 30 (not a great age for a speedy player’s legs) has had some injury issues, can be streaky as hell and is about to enter his walk year – so that value is tempered.
    ——————————————-
    if Gardner’s speed game leaves him as it has shown with is SB drop he has nothing..

  166. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    next offseason when the yankees look over the worst OF FA market in decades and realize they have pretty much no choice but to sign gardner for 5/$70, you guys are gonna be saying, who was it again who was saying last year that we should have extended gardner for 3\$30? :)

  167. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Chip December 3rd, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Gardner has value – he’s an elite defender and getting better as a leadoff hitter. But he’s also 30 (not a great age for a speedy player’s legs) has had some injury issues, can be streaky as hell and is about to enter his walk year – so that value is tempered.

    ___________

    Wrong, Chip he’s only a slightly less gifted version of Ellsbury yet Ellsbury will make 20 M to Gardner’s paltry 3 M.

  168. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    @jay_jaffe: I’d much rather have Saltalamacchia at 3/$21M than Brian McCann at 5/$85M

  169. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Oh yeah the Yankees will go crawling to Gardner on a 5 year 70 M dollar deal.

    I really hope Ellsbury wants to be a Yankee and can stay healthy.

  170. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    have you seen next year’s projected FA OF’ers?

  171. blake December 3rd, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    Patrick says:
    December 3, 2013 at 5:44 pm
    blake,

    That’s a compelling argument for Salty but..

    McCann career wOBA .353, Salty career wOBA .322. Salty is 1 year younger for the record.”

    He did most of that damage in the first half of his career…..I don’t think it’s overrating Salty to say 3/21 is a pretty good bargain for him

  172. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    not only that, but if the yankees had gardner with 2/$20 left on his deal and that terrible FA OF market, then gardner would be an excellent trade chip.

  173. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    why aren’t teams knocking down the NYY door to get at that value Gardner has

  174. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    I’d love to see the look on his agency’s face if the Yankees sign both McCann and Ellsbury and strengthen up the middle and take care of business while he’s out prancing around taking his sweet time. I sincerely believe the Yankees when they say they won’t wait.

    McCann and Ellsbury is a good hedge. There’s not enough money left over to give Cano a crippling deal.

  175. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    And McCann + Ellsbury frees up assets up the middle: M. Williams, Heathcott, Sanchez, Murphy. Maybe those assets aren’t worth enough to add an impact player now but they could be in the future and possibly as early as the trade deadline for some of them.

  176. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    never have i seen so many yankees fans want to pass on the best player in the market and settle for a lesser player.

    especially considering that he’s a yankees product.

    and to think a rumor scared everyone off him…

    ny’ers maybe not so tough after all…

  177. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    The villagers storming the castle to get rid of Gardner again huh lol.

  178. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Ys Guy,

    It’s the Arod contract. He and an agent hosed the Yankees on a crippling long term deal. During the season Cano asked for the same crippling deal. And you wonder where the indifference/animosity stems from?

  179. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 6:04 pm
    never have i seen so many yankees fans want to pass on the best player in the market and settle for a lesser player.

    —————————-

    That’s what they say now but let Cano’s replacement not produce as much or commit a certain amount of errors and it will be man they made a mistake letting Cano walk.

  180. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    yankees hosed themselves on the arod deal.

    i didnt hear about anyone holding a gun to their head.

    there were people right her on this very blog screaming in boldface, ” DONT GIVE HIM THAT CONTRACT!” but alas we were not heard…

  181. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    And you wonder where the indifference/animosity stems from?

    ———————-

    It started before that though. Even before the 300 mil number leaked there were fans saying let him walk …we don’t need him.

  182. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    That’s what they say now but let Cano’s replacement not produce as much or commit a certain amount of errors and it will be man they made a mistake letting Cano walk.
    ======================
    some also say cano at any price.

  183. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    The villagers storming the castle to get rid of Gardner again huh lol.
    ——————————————–
    it will happen..I got joba and Hughes out of here

  184. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Right and if those same screaming folks catch word Cano is asking for that same contract you can bet there will be some resistance.

  185. Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    “He and an agent hosed the Yankees on a crippling long term deal. ”

    Baloney. The Yanks were willing partners. No one made the Yanks give ARod that extension, Hank wanted him.

  186. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    The villagers storming the castle to get rid of Gardner again huh lol.
    ——————————————–
    it will happen..I got joba and Hughes out of here

    _________

    I commend you for your work on that. You deserve to be knighted.

  187. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    “He and an agent hosed the Yankees on a crippling long term deal. ”

    Baloney. The Yanks were willing partners. No one made the Yanks give ARod that extension, Hank wanted him.

    ________

    Right so maybe some NYY fans wish Hank weren’t so needy.

  188. champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Blake

    you gotta back this up…..how exactly is Beltran a better play at 37 than Choo is right now at 31?

    2013:
    Choo:.285 .423 .462 .885. 143 OPS +
    Beltran:.296 .339 .491 .830 128 OPS +

    Beltran also is close to being a liability defensively and his OBP has declined 3 years in a row. Choo is not only better right now…..he’s 6 years younger and will be Beltran’s age AFTER a 6 year contract.

    Beltran for 2 years at like 15 per…..I get…..Beltran for 3/50 or something is a very bad idea
    ______________________________________________________________

    Choo benefited from playing in that bandbox of a stadium in Cincy as evidenced by his extreme home road splits;
    home- .318/.448/.500/.948/tops+ 114
    away- .251/.399/.424/.823/tops+ 86

    Beltran’s splits are virtually identical home/road and we all know he’d see a sizable increase in his home #’s playing at Yankee stadium 81 games a year.

    Choo’s rhp/lhp are so extreme that they suggest that he’d be best used in a platoon;
    vs. RHSP- .321/.454/.546/1.000/tops+ 125
    vs. LHSP- .200/.351/.265/.615/tops+ 40

    Beltran’s #’s are more consistent and play for an everyday player;
    vs. RHP- .315/.362/.509/.871/tops+ 110
    vs. LHP- .282/.331/.483/.814/tops+ 96

    As far as the defense is concerned Beltran was a formerly great defensive CF who is now probably a league average defender in RF but that is not that big a deal as Rf in YS is 1 of the smaller in the game so I think his D would play up a little here.

    Lastly Beltran has much more power in his bat than Choo as evidenced by Choo has topped 20 homers 3 times in his career with a career high of 22 Beltran has hit 22 or more the last 11 full seasons he’s played.

    I’d bet that Beltran playing 130 games next year would hit 30-35 homers with the Yanks and would slot in nicely behind Cano in the #4 hole

    Gardy
    Jeet
    Robbie
    Beltran
    Soriano
    Tex
    McCann
    DH
    Nunez

  189. Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    “some also say cano at any price.”

    Not any price – ARod got “any price” – but at the market price the Yanks have to decide whether they are players or not. Given the money already sunk into ARod, Tex and CC, it is going to take really big bucks for the Yanks to have a serious shot and the Yanks have to decide what their priorities are.

  190. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    and while I’m at it didn’t want Montero here either because he could be a full or even a part time catcher…to bad that trade didn’t work out

  191. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Maybe some so called not tough NYY fans are like Hank, Hal, front office, wash those twinkling stars out of your eyes fast and drink a cup of black coffee.

  192. Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    People here like Beltran on a 3 year deal at the AAV being rumored?

  193. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Not any price – ARod got “any price” – but at the market price the Yanks have to decide whether they are players or not. Given the money already sunk into ARod, Tex and CC, it is going to take really big bucks for the Yanks to have a serious shot and the Yanks have to decide what their priorities are.
    ======================
    or they go out of business?

  194. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:15 pm
    Maybe some so called not tough NYY fans are like Hank, Hal, front office, wash those twinkling stars out of your eyes fast and drink a cup of black coffee.
    ————————–
    speaking of coffee I need a shot of jmills to show up

  195. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    and while I’m at it didn’t want Montero here either because he could be a full or even a part time catcher…to bad that trade didn’t work out

    ________

    Still, your determination is unparalleled on LOHUD. Montero + Hughes + Joba all gone because of the things you say and the things you do day in, day out. Gardner is the last domino. Get to work!!!

  196. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Yanks could get Beltran, Cano Ellsbury and Choo + Tanaka and Kuroda and still be in business.
    F the tax.

  197. Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    “or they go out of business?”

    No, I mean the Yanks have to decide whether to spend money or save it. There’s no middle road with the cap. If they save money they are also-rans for a while, if they spend it maybe they win. If they go down the spending run and try to win they need Cano. If they save it maybe they do other things later.

    But they are forced by circumstances to go one way or the other, it will be interesting to see which.

  198. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    and while I’m at it didn’t want Montero here either because he could be a full or even a part time catcher…to bad that trade didn’t work out

    ________

    Still, your determination is unparalleled on LOHUD. Montero + Hughes + Joba all gone because of the things you say and the things you do day in, day out. Gardner is the last domino. Get to work!!!
    —————————————–
    SOB is still here after 4 years of bitc?ing

  199. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    This would of been a whole lot easier and fun with George in charge.
    They could even raise ticket prices.

  200. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    If they ditch the tax, I’d be happy with Cano, Ellsbury, McCann, Choo and Tanaka.

    I don’t even need Kuroda and Beltran.

    I’m easy.

  201. champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    Anybody who pays Ellsbury $20MM is GROSSLY overpaying him.

    Bret you have obviously looked at their #’s. They were almost identical last year and excluding the year when Jacoby was on HGH almost identical for their careers.

    As you correctly surmise Gardner will not be paid $20mm this year nor any other year the correct conclusion is neither should Ellsbury.

    Carl Crawford was a better player than Ellsbury and how many on here think that’s he’s worth his $ ?

  202. austinmac December 3rd, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    The Yankees could o just that and should. However, from everything published they have set year and price limits on Cano, Beltran and probably everyone else. The question seems to be whether their limits gets any players. We will see.

  203. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    If they save money they are also-rans for a while,
    ===================
    could be for a very very long while.
    that will be painful as many know from 1st hand experience.
    it’s a crap shoot even if their spending has no limits.

  204. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:20 pm
    Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    and while I’m at it didn’t want Montero here either because he could be a full or even a part time catcher…to bad that trade didn’t work out

    ________

    Still, your determination is unparalleled on LOHUD. Montero + Hughes + Joba all gone because of the things you say and the things you do day in, day out. Gardner is the last domino. Get to work!!!
    —————————————–
    SOB is still here after 4 years of bitc?ing

    ____________

    Something is going on with Cashman and these prospects. He hugs them way past the point when they’re clearly not up to the hype. I was kind of surprised he sacked up and dealt Montero. I don’t think he has the stones to deal Gardner either. Hope I’m wrong.

  205. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    yeah if george were here we’d have outbid the angels for both hamilton and pujols, so we’d have less needs, but we’d have to replace matsuzaka this offseason.

  206. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    gardner was hyped? i must have missed that.

  207. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Reds are in need of a value OFer they don’t think Hamilton is ready…how about a Gardner for Todd Frazier trade

  208. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Hal could be bluffing.
    Talking to every FA to get that STH bill paid in Dec.
    He is the mystery man.
    Tho most feel he is just a cheap SOB.

  209. Ys Guy December 3rd, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    of course if george were still around cano wouldn’t be on the market b/c the white sox would have extended him after picking him up in a trade for jake peavy years ago.

  210. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    yeah if george were here we’d have outbid the angels for both hamilton and pujols, so we’d have less needs, but we’d have to replace matsuzaka this offseason.
    ========
    That’s why they called it the Bronx Zoo.
    Get Hank out of the basement, he’s not the Gimp.

  211. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    A cheap billionaire is truly a sight to behold. A cheap millionaire, not as interesting.

  212. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    come on Gardner for Todd Frazier ( can play 3rd & 2nd )

  213. champ809 December 3rd, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    I’d rather Beltran a 2yrs/$15MM but if the market is @ 3/$16 the Yanks shouldn’t be afraid of that. Beltran is a very conscientious athlete in very good shape and still an elite hitter bat speed-wise.

    That last year if he’s a part-time OF/DH that’s fine.

  214. austinmac December 3rd, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Mickey,

    Good Pulp Fiction reference.

  215. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    !!!Brian Gordon is Back!!!———–>>>>>>>

  216. joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Todd Frazier has played every position on the field…

  217. mick December 3rd, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Even tho we are a bunch of rednecks I went out and saw 12 Years A Slave today.
    Some are touting it for movie of the year.
    Very heavy stuff.

  218. Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    joeman December 3rd, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    Against All Odds December 3rd, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    The villagers storming the castle to get rid of Gardner again huh lol.
    ——————————————–
    it will happen..I got joba and Hughes out of here

    ———————

    Not sure if that’s something to be happy about

  219. Ted Nelson December 3rd, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    I’m not sure that the ESPNNY article actually shows that a market is developing for Cano. Anonymous sources with “knowledge” of the negotiations… what does that actually mean?

    And the conclusion seems to be that the Ms and Rangers may or may not be willing to pay him some unknown amount of money. Obviously there are other teams out there willing to pay Cano some unknown amount of money. He’s a damn good baseball player. And obviously the Ms are desperate to add some offense. I don’t think that this article actually adds anything to the conversation that we didn’t know before it was written.

  220. pete2 December 3rd, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    I think Cano prefers to stay in NY. Jeter was able to supplement his salary by as much as 20 million a year in endorsement revenues. That’s not available in every city. Not saying Cano would command as much as Jeter in that regard, but he certainly does better in NY than Seattle or Arlington.

    I think fans will stand by the FO if Cano leaves with a 300 million deal elsewhere, but not if the difference is only 20 million over 7 or 8 years, and with Beltran looking like he is going to KC. I think the Yankees have no choice but to go to 8/200.

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