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Yankees minor leaguer suspended for refusing to take drug test

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 04, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ph_544367Here’s a kind of weird one.

Yankees minor league catcher Ryan Baker is pretty far from the prospect radar. In fact, he might have spent more time on the phantom DL than in the batters box in recent years. This season, he was used twice as an emergency pitcher in Triple-A, but never once as a starting or replacement catcher. I’ve covered minor league guys who were going through stuff like that — just bouncing around system, filling roles as asked, given very little hope of actually advancing in the organization — and I’ve always felt bad for them. It’s a frustrating situation for a guy who clearly has some skill or he wouldn’t be in pro ball in the first place.

Basically, if you’ve never heard of Ryan Baker, it’s hard to blame you. Yet his name popped up today because Major League Baseball announced that Baker has been suspended 50 games without pay for refusing to take an offseason drug test. That’s a violation of the Minor League Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.

Baker is currently on the Low-A Charleston roster, and his suspension will be effective at the start of the 2014 season.

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  1. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    I honestly don’t think the posting fee reduction is going to increase NPB player salaries. Its a pure cost cutting move by MLB teams.

  2. J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Dill said:

    Look, I’m not one to care that much about what a bunch of billionaires spend — I want them to put the loot they make off the Yankees back into the franchise. I’m not hung up on $189 million like so many other folks. But if you’re Cano, don’t you have to look at that and go, “If Ellsbury is worth $22 million for 7 years, what does that make me worth?”

    Cano is a better player, a more impactful player, and it’s not close. Don’t get me wrong, Ellsbury’s a very good player, when he’s healthy. Cano plays 160 games every year. He hits for power (which is extremely rare in a 2nd baseman), average, and he’s a gold-glove caliber fielder at a vital position. Barring injury, Cano is going to the Hall of Fame. (compare his stats with other 2nd basemen in the Hall if you don’t believe me). Ellsbury: not a chance. He’s not that kind of player.

    Personally, I would have preferred a power bat in the outfield. They already have a speedy, top-of-the-order centerfielder in Gardner — who is a LOT cheaper (and will still be a LOT cheaper next year when he’s a FA). But I, and I suspect most Yankee fans, are just fine with the Ellsbury signing IF we still retain Cano. But if they don’t…

    If they nickel-pinch Cano and he ends up signing elsewhere for something reasonable (compared to what they just signed Ellsbury for), then I suspect an awful lot of Yankee fans are going to be very, very upset with the front office
    ////

    Well said. Yeah, all of this.

    And for the folks here who keep insisting that Cano isn’t a Stadium draw; how many of you even attend games yourselves, that you assume this?

    What people who actually do attend games know is that Cano gets disproportionately loud applause when he comes to the plate, trumped only by the cheers Jeter gets when healthy.

    When he makes a great play in the field, people there demonstrate their appreciation vocally.

    The seasoned, attending fan has probably a deeper appreciation for players like Cano, because they see the guy live and understand just how good he is and how rare that kind of 2B is, especially a left-handed one with such effortless power.

  3. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Weed.

  4. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    How could you agree to a $20 million fee for your very best players…? I’d never let them post and would probably earn similar revenue by retaining them for the other 2 years until their international FAs

  5. Ys Guy December 4th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    ““Earlier today, Andy McCullough of the Star Ledger heard that the Yankees are still not interested in going beyond $200MM or seven years to retain Cano (Twitter link).””
    ———————————————————-
    yesterday they supposedly weren’t going to go above $168M so they’ve gone up $32M in one day!

  6. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    “I honestly don’t think the posting fee reduction is going to increase NPB player salaries. Its a pure cost cutting move by MLB teams.”

    You think a team that landed Tanaka on a $20M bid would walk away rather than paying him more than he would have gotten had they bid $40M?

  7. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Weed.

    Weed.

  8. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    You think a team that landed Tanaka on a $20M bid would walk away rather than paying him more than he would have gotten had they bid $40M?

    Yes. I think he would get the same 60 million dollar deal he would have got regardless of posting fee. I don’t think MLB teams are implementing this so they can shuffle money over to the taxable side of the ledger.

  9. Ys Guy December 4th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    thats $32M in rumor dollars, of course. im not sure what the rumor to u.s. dollar conversion rate is today…

  10. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    The idea that Cano isn’t a draw is kinda overblown.. he plays with other superstars. He happened to be on a terrible team last year and losing has a way of alienating people from coming out to the Stadium.

    With McCann, Ellsbury and Cano they’ll see an uptick in sales and I don’t think you can say any one player would be responsible for that. It’s the fact that on paper that looks like a great team that is the draw for fans.

  11. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    blake December 4th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    The Yanks will pony up for Cano…..if they don’t how can they justify giving Ellsbury that deal? You can’t look at Cano and say hey we think you’re worht only 20 million more than Ellsbury is……

    ——

    This front office seems to operate by switching personalities from time to time between Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

    At times they whine about not wanting to pay the “Yankee tax” and being gouged simply because they’re the Yankees but then they turn around and bid against themselves for a guy like Ellsbury and now are playing hardball with their own guy in Cano.

    It boggles the mind.

  12. Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    I always thought the figure for Cano would be 25 million per for 7 years even though the 8th year would be worked out. This talk about 240-250 is insane

  13. mick December 4th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    With McCann, Ellsbury and Cano they’ll see an uptick in sales and I don’t think you can say any one player would be responsible for that.
    =====
    JETER.

  14. Ys Guy December 4th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    with cano they win more.

    when they win more, more people buy tickets and watch on tv

    thats drawing….

  15. mick December 4th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    I always thought the figure for Cano would be 25 million per for 7 years even though the 8th year would be worked out. This talk about 240-250 is insane
    ==========
    Pat M

    On principle alone.

  16. comet December 4th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Sammie I think it is on Highway 95. Used to go there on our way to Post Falls for pizza. It is unincorporated so it might not even be there anymore. It is about 25 years ago that I was last there.

  17. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    ” I don’t think MLB teams are implementing this so they can shuffle money over to the taxable side of the ledger.”

    But the teams they are implementing this for aren’t luxury tax payers anyway.

    I think this is being done for the ever-popular “competitive balance”. Teams will save money because their won’t be any outlandish bids, and not all the savings will accrue to the Japanese player, but I think a substantial portion will.

  18. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    I asked this on the last thread – is there something in place that would prevent a team – let’s say the Blue Jays for example, from bidding the max, securing the rights to negotiate with Tanaka based on their record and then offering him a 1 year deal for the minimum just to prevent him from being able to negotiate with other teams with better records?

  19. pkyankfan69 December 4th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Nothing wrong with a little weed.

  20. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    I think this is being done for the ever-popular “competitive balance”. Teams will save money because their won’t be any outlandish bids, and not all the savings will accrue to the Japanese player, but I think a substantial portion will.

    How much of the 30 million saved is going to Tanaka? Give me the contract you expect him to sign. I’m not seeing it.

  21. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    My crystal ball says 8 years, $210-$220M. Of course, if my crystal ball were any good I’d be a lot richer than I am.

  22. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    I asked this on the last thread – is there something in place that would prevent a team – let’s say the Blue Jays for example, from bidding the max, securing the rights to negotiate with Tanaka based on their record and then offering him a 1 year deal for the minimum just to prevent him from being able to negotiate with other teams with better records?

    The posting system has good faith clauses where it goes to the next team.

  23. jacksquat December 4th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Ha, a baseball legend by helping the Mariners win the WS? They couldn’t do it with Arod, Griffey and Edgar, they need to add a hell of a lot more than Cano.

  24. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    How could you agree to a $20 million fee for your very best players…? I’d never let them post and would probably earn similar revenue by retaining them for the other 2 years until their international FAs.

    Yea Rakuten could probably get a close return to that amount by simply keeping Tanaka and competing for championships the next 2 seasons.

  25. Ys Guy December 4th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    the idea of the max posting fee, etc, was actually the last proposal that mlb put on the table before the talks broke up from what i read yesterday. not aggement was made or is imminent from that same article.

    so obviously, they didnt accept it and its probably a dead proposal at this point.

  26. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    I asked this on the last thread – is there something in place that would prevent a team – let’s say the Blue Jays for example, from bidding the max, securing the rights to negotiate with Tanaka based on their record and then offering him a 1 year deal for the minimum just to prevent him from being able to negotiate with other teams with better records?

    The posting system has good faith clauses where it goes to the next team.
    ————-

    How does one define “good faith” in terms of these negotiations?

  27. comet December 4th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    It is a mistake to let Cano go after signing Ells. Doesn’t make sense unless Seattle really does pay crazy money like $250mm. Then there isn’t much you can do. I’d go 7 or eight and $200mm. and see if he would take that.

    You know I’ve never gone to game just to see a player. I go because “my” Yankees are playing. I was at a game in Oakland several years ago and saw Mo pitch but that wasn’t the reason for going to the game.

    Hey Luis my friend. Is the power on tonight?

  28. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    How does one define “good faith” in terms of these negotiations?

    Well probably not ’1 year deal at the minimum’ :) I’m sure for a guy like Tanaka you have to get really close to Darvish’s deal to found in good faith.

  29. Ys Guy December 4th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    chip i read two pieces on that now dead proposal and both said that if more than one team bids the max post, the player gets to choose which team to negotiate with. there was nothing about the team’s records involved in the articles i read.

    and again, its a dead proposal at least for now.

  30. bigdan22 December 4th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Just read a nice Boston story about how Ells always played his best in the big games. They are comparing this move to Damon. Would be nice to have a hitter actually hit in the post season besides Jeter.

  31. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Yea Rakuten could probably get a close return to that amount by simply keeping Tanaka and competing for championships the next 2 seasons.

    —————-

    I don’t see why NPB teams would even bother at that rate. That figure has to be higher.

  32. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    “How much of the 30 million saved is going to Tanaka? Give me the contract you expect him to sign. I’m not seeing it.”

    I don’t really know, because there’s no data points to measure. And we don’t know either what teams would have bid for Tanaka under the old system, or what he would fetch as an unrestricted free agent.

    But to use your example, let’s say a team would be willing to bid $50M for his rights, and then offer him $6/6 years under the old system. That’s $86M, right? So if they get him for $20M under the new system, there’s a lot of room to negotiate. A team could give him $9M for 6 years, and he’s still a bargain.

  33. blake December 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    “At times they whine about not wanting to pay the “Yankee tax” and being gouged simply because they’re the Yankees but then they turn around and bid against themselves for a guy like Ellsbury and now are playing hardball with their own guy in Cano.”

    has to be frustrating for Cashman too

  34. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times says the team with the worst record in the previous season would be awarded the player’s negotiating rights in the event of multiple maximum bids, so there is some conflicting information out there.

    From CBS.

  35. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Bad news on Tanaka.

    You can thank Smellig for another one.

    Anyway, he deserves the bird more than ever.

    Glad Hal is giving it to him.

    ;)

  36. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    I mean if I was the Astros I would bid the $20, offer Tanaka a 4 year contract at 8 mil per year and say that you are negotiating in good faith based on the fact that he’s a relative unknown who threw a lot of pitches so you’re worried about the long-term implications that will have on his arm.

    The other possibility is that you’ll get side deals where a team will work out a trade with the team with the worst record in advance of the posting. So, for example, the Astros and Dodgers work out a deal in advance where the Astros sign Tanaka and then deal him to the Dodgers for players and prospects.

  37. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    But to use your example, let’s say a team would be willing to bid $50M for his rights, and then offer him $6/6 years under the old system. That’s $86M, right? So if they get him for $20M under the new system, there’s a lot of room to negotiate. A team could give him $9M for 6 years, and he’s still a bargain.

    Dude you know what Darvish got and Matsuzaka got and Tanaka is equivalent to those guys. I want to know how much of the 30 million would go ontop of the 6/60 deal Tanaka would get. Like I said, I’m not seeing teams giving out better than 6/60 for a guy that isnt as good as Darvish just because the posting fee got dropped. You said you arent sure but that it would be a significant portion. I don’t see a significant portion of the posting fee going, at best a minor portion (5 million?)

  38. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Anyway – so no Tanaka; still sign Kuroda and take your pick of Ubaldo or Garza.

    Though my gut still tells me that Roy Halladay and/or Johan Santana will wind up with the Yankees.

  39. blake December 4th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    T”hey are comparing this move to Damon. Would be nice to have a hitter actually hit in the post season besides Jeter.”

    would be nice to have Ellsbury for Damon’s contract with the Yankees too…..also would be nice if Ellsbury could hit the .285 .363 .458 .821 Damon hit as a Yankee. Sadly Jacoby has only done these numbers once in his career.

  40. luis December 4th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Hey Comet!,

    Yes we have power tonight, thank God!

    The Ellsbury contract boggles my mind…It is a gross overpay in a position that we already have similar production at a fraction of the cost (Gardner)…But the thing that bothers me the most is that this contract will impact Cano…If Ells is worth 21.8 mil, how much does Cano is worth then?…They will have to overpay for Cano to retain him…Not very smart

  41. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Joeman aka “Bobcat” right again.

    He said no Tanaka.

    I argued w him. Wishing him to be wrong.

    But it looks like he’s spot on once again.

    If this keeps up I might have to start taking him seriously.

    :)

  42. Yes You McCann December 4th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    I have no idea what on earth you are talking about, luis. I didn’t call you a follower or try to sway you to my opinion. I provided you with information.

  43. sammiejohnson December 4th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Comet,
    No, never heard of it.

  44. luis December 4th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    So another venue closed for the Yankees (NPB posting system)…. Sorry, but either they better start to build the farm and rely heavily on it or we are doomed to be perennial good but not ggod enough teams…This Tanaka news sucks

    Garza here we come!…. Yikes!!

  45. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    OK.

    New plan.

    Trade GGBG to the Reds for Bailey and backfill with Choo.

    Add Cano if possible, or if not go for Infante.

    ;)

  46. Ys Guy December 4th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    how much could it cost to sign either halladay or santana? give em each $3 million with a chance to boost it to $8M or more, hell give them a vesting option for $10M next year while we’re at it.

    if either of those guys makes it back ,i want them in pinstripes.

  47. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    blake December 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    “At times they whine about not wanting to pay the “Yankee tax” and being gouged simply because they’re the Yankees but then they turn around and bid against themselves for a guy like Ellsbury and now are playing hardball with their own guy in Cano.”

    has to be frustrating for Cashman too

    —–

    I’m sure it is but he could also help his own cause by hiring the right people overseeing the draft and do a better job of player development.

    Their enormous failures in that area is the primary reason why free agents have them bent over a barrel when they are desperate for productive ballplayers to fill gaping holes.

  48. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    @npbtracker 1m

    The lame thing about this posting change is that (AFAIK) it’s the first time MLB has imposed a hard limit on spending.

    @npbtracker 1m

    The luxury tax, draft slots, and international signing pools are all soft caps with penalties for going over.

    Basically I’d grudgingly accept this new posting system if its players choice, as I think the YAnkees marketability is still very high and having Kuroda+Ichiro+Matsui in the past gives them some cachet. If its the record variant, which is something MLB likes doing more, then I will hate it forever.

  49. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Luis-

    If true that news bites the big one for sure.

    But don’t lose hope there are still the Cubans for the moment.

    There will be more of them.

  50. luis December 4th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    YYM,

    Sorry that post wasn’t directed at you…Read the very last post of the last thread, that was my answer to you…I am using a Google Chrome machine now and I haven’t figured out how to copy and paste with this thing

  51. blake December 4th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Jason A. Churchill ?@ProspectInsider 5m
    Just got a text from asst GM who thinks Seattle is about to make a “panic” move …

  52. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    blake December 4th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    T”hey are comparing this move to Damon. Would be nice to have a hitter actually hit in the post season besides Jeter.”

    would be nice to have Ellsbury for Damon’s contract with the Yankees too…..also would be nice if Ellsbury could hit the .285 .363 .458 .821 Damon hit as a Yankee. Sadly Jacoby has only done these numbers once in his career.
    ————-

    Damon signed a 4 year deal when he was 32 – so figure the Yankees get an extra 2 of Ellsbury’s prime years over what they did from Damon.

  53. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    I don’t think Teams will be allowed to do that type of sign-n-trade w a posted player.

  54. blake December 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick 14m
    Hearing the #cubs plan to do some serious listening on Jeff Samardzija at winter meetings. #callingallshoppers

    Bob Nightengale ?@BNightengale 15m
    The #Tigers also make it official that Miguel Cabrera will permanently move to 1B and prospect Nick Castellanos will play third base.

  55. Yes You McCann December 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    “making the pitch to Cano that he can either be a Yankee legend or be a baseball legend by helping the Mariners win their first World Series.”

    If Cano believes that bollocks, he would have to be stupid. Very few, if any, people even know the Mariners exist.

  56. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    JF-

    Why? For non-capped teams, money is money, posting fee or salary. I view the posting fee the way microeconomics theory views a tax. The tax lowers the clearing price of the good sold, but not by the full amount of the tax.

  57. J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    luis December 4th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Hey Comet!,

    Yes we have power tonight, thank God!

    The Ellsbury contract boggles my mind…It is a gross overpay in a position that we already have similar production at a fraction of the cost (Gardner)…But the thing that bothers me the most is that this contract will impact Cano…If Ells is worth 21.8 mil, how much does Cano is worth then?…They will have to overpay for Cano to retain him…Not very smart
    ///

    Hey primo, :)

    The Ellsbury contract could be disastrous, but if it doesn’t impact Cano, I’ll not really care that much. If it does impact Cano, as in, we lose him, then all their “big” moves will just be window dressing, because without him, they can’t go where they claim they want to go.

  58. blake December 4th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 30m
    Sources: #Athletics, #DBacks discussed trade that would have sent Cespedes to AZ for Skaggs-Pollock-plus. However…

  59. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    blake December 4th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Jason A. Churchill ?@ProspectInsider 5m
    Just got a text from asst GM who thinks Seattle is about to make a “panic” move …
    —————

    That can either mean they’re going to offer Cano 10 years and $270 or they’ve been told they’re out on Cano and are doing something else entirely.

  60. Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Right field at The Stadium is at least worth 15 longballs more than in Fenway. Conservative number on the 15. Fenway is a tough place for lefthand hitters when it comes to dingers

  61. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    I can see the M’s going to the moon to get Cano.

    That is the only way they would ever get a big fish like him.

    His agent will probably shop that offer to the Yankees who will reject it.

    I’d imaging Cano loves seafood.

    ;)

  62. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    blake December 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick 14m
    Hearing the #cubs plan to do some serious listening on Jeff Samardzija at winter meetings. #callingallshoppers
    ——————–

    Would love to get in on him, not sure the team has the horses.

    I think Brett Anderson and his troubling arm is the best pitcher via trade the Yankees can shoot for.

  63. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Chip-

    Nope. Homer Bailey is.

    ;)

  64. hardwired7 December 4th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Indeed, never heard of him until today. Well done, Ryan Baker.

  65. Yes You McCann December 4th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    “Right field at The Stadium is at least worth 15 longballs more than in Fenway. Conservative number on the 15″

    Pat M,

    Can you quantify that?

  66. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    MTU –

    I’ve been saying that the Mariners were my bet to get him if not the Yankees for a long time now. If they offer him a crapton of money and he takes it I’m not going to be upset at the Yankees for moving on. I would, however, appreciate it if they get this done quickly so that the Yankees can decide whether they want to trade for a 2b and use Johnson at 3b, or use Johnson at 2b and trade for a 3b.

  67. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Right field at The Stadium is at least worth 15 longballs more than in Fenway. Conservative number on the 15. Fenway is a tough place for lefthand hitters when it comes to dingers

    Ellsbury isn’t a pull hitter and NYS is not worth 15 more HRs than any park, let alone Fenway.

  68. Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Just go to Fenway and watch BP

  69. coney1 December 4th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    I think the new NPB posting system will encourage these stellar Japanese players to wait until they clear free agency to come here. The reason being: Let’s say the Astros bid $20M for Tanaka and then offer him a 5-year deal worth $25M. He might prefer to wait the 1 year and come here and allow all the big market teams to negotiate with him. I think this new system will discourage players from wanting to get posted in the first place as it may drive posted players’ salaries down.

  70. Russell Munson December 4th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Does that mean Ortiz would hit 50 HRs in the Bronx?

  71. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Why? For non-capped teams, money is money, posting fee or salary. I view the posting fee the way microeconomics theory views a tax. The tax lowers the clearing price of the good sold, but not by the full amount of the tax.

    Because theres no reason the teams have to pay the player more in this situation? The player is still being held comparable to past players of similar stature? How much more than 6/60 do you think Tanaka will get at 20 million posting fee?

  72. bigdan22 December 4th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    blake December 4th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
    T”hey are comparing this move to Damon. Would be nice to have a hitter actually hit in the post season besides Jeter.”

    would be nice to have Ellsbury for Damon’s contract with the Yankees too…..also would be nice if Ellsbury could hit the .285 .363 .458 .821 Damon hit as a Yankee. Sadly Jacoby has only done these numbers once in his career.

    ______

    Check out his post season numbers. Much like Jeter, almost exactly like his career numbers. Not even Joe D could say that. Wasn’t even close actually.

    And Damon was inconsistent before he was 30 much like Ells, but without the injuries. He often OPS’s under .800. Interestingly, he became much more consistent after the turned 30.

  73. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Right field at The Stadium is at least worth 15 longballs more than in Fenway. Conservative number on the 15. Fenway is a tough place for lefthand hitters when it comes to dingers

    Ellsbury isn’t a pull hitter and NYS is not worth 15 more HRs than any park, let alone Fenway.
    ———–

    Johnny Damon and Jason Giambi weren’t pull hitters either until they signed here.

    Having said that – I hope Ellsbury doesn’t become pull happy.

  74. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Johnny Damon and Jason Giambi weren’t pull hitters either until they signed here.

    Having said that – I hope Ellsbury doesn’t become pull happy.

    Yea Ellsbury looking to pull would be awful. Also funny you say that because Giambi nearly lost 15 HRs going from OAK to NYY lol

  75. joeman December 4th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    no action today while they are waiting on Cano’s next move maybe they could move in on a SPer

  76. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Chip-

    If they go to some number like 250 for instance he’s as good as gone.

    That is the kind of number it might take to get him to a place like Seattle.

    The Yankees wouldn’t touch that and I wouldn’t blame them.

    As to the second part of your post that comes down to either trading for Phillips, or Infante if he is still out there.

    Johnson would simply be the SU guy.

    Play a bunch of 3rd.

    Maybe the Yankees could acquire Bailey and Phillips in return for GGBG, etc, etc. and lot’s of cash ?

    That would be interesting.

  77. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Hey primo!

    Good post by the way and Dill’s too, thanks for sharing them

    As I told Pat M last night, they are willing to grossly overpay for a mercenary (Ellsbury), but at the same time they are low balling their own (Cano)?….Because if Ells is worth 21.8 mil, Cano is worth 35 mil IMO…So they either overpay again or they just move on from Cano…Very, very stupid

    FTR: I don’t believe Cano is worth that much, but how can they argue that when they are paying a much lesser player, anchor type money?

  78. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Right field at The Stadium is at least worth 15 longballs more than in Fenway. Conservative number on the 15. Fenway is a tough place for lefthand hitters when it comes to dingers

    —–

    Hey Pat,

    I just hope Ellsbury sticks to his game and doesn’t change his approach because of that short porch.

    A change would probably result in more dingers but perhaps a drop in batting average and an increase in Ks.

    As you know, that short porch can hurt ballplayers too.

  79. Yes You McCann December 4th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    “Just go to Fenway and watch BP”

    That evidence has swayed me (;

  80. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    “How much more than 6/60 do you think Tanaka will get at 20 million posting fee?”

    I already said, without any empirical evidence which you don’t have either, $9M/6years, and the team comes out ahead anyway. You have to figure as an unrestricted free agent at his age Tanaka would get at least $15AAV on a 6 year deal easy.

  81. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    McCann…I directed a post to you and used YYM to save time…Just checking that you got my posts

  82. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    It appears Jerk and Chip and Jerk beat me to it regarding Ellsbury and that short porch.

  83. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    “Right field at The Stadium is at least worth 15 longballs more than in Fenway.”

    Wow, its a good thing some of the guys who appeared in pinstripes last year didn’t play in Fenway. They would have had negative HRs.

  84. Bronx Jeers December 4th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    I’m laughing thinking about what makes the Mariners panic. Fear of the Astros?

  85. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Joeman-

    Did you see my tribute to you from earlier in the day ?

  86. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    I already said, without any empirical evidence which you don’t have either, $9M/6years, and the team comes out ahead anyway. You have to figure as an unrestricted free agent at his age Tanaka would get at least $15AAV on a 6 year deal easy.

    What? So you’re saying instead of the 6/56 Darvish got, Tanaka would get 6/74? 18 million more?

  87. joeman December 4th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    only way Tanaks comes here is if Cano don’t and even then ?

  88. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Another thing primo…That contract has all the makings of an albatross…I think is another Crawford like contract

  89. joeman December 4th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
    Joeman-

    Did you see my tribute to you from earlier in the day ?
    ———————————-
    no I didn’t just got home from work

  90. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Ok, whether the Yankees sign Cano or not they still need a RH power bat likely at DH.

    Options (assume Beltran off the table):

    Hart
    Morse
    Reynolds
    Kendrys Morales
    Delmon Young
    Napoli

    Where do you go?

    Morales doesn’t have great splits against LHP even though he’s the only switch hitter on the list. Reynolds is a strikeout machine but played well for the Yankees last year. Morse was brutal. Delmon Young is Delmon Young. Mike Napoli has a bad hip. Hart didn’t play at all last year but is probably the best all around hitter on the list.

  91. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    “What? So you’re saying instead of the 6/56 Darvish got, Tanaka would get 6/74? 18 million more?”

    Why not, Darvish was burdened by a huge posting fee.

  92. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Joeman-

    Here it is :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/Dec42013?authkey=Gv1sRgCP-6zLe7nbL8IQ#

    Just for you.

    ;)

  93. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Wave,

    The reason why I’m asking you this is that we know Tanaka is going to get a deal close to Darvish regardless of what the posting fee is. I don’t know why you are using a hypothetical amount like 36/6 as your baseline. The 9 x 6 you mention is what Darvish actually got with a 50 million posting fee.

    So I’m just wondering how far over Darvish do you think Tanaka is going to go. I don’t think very far. Teams will pocket the difference and the player has no choice but to accept that good a deal anyways.

  94. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    @DCameronFG: This makes way more sense. RT @BillShaikin: player choice to negotiate with any club making max bid for rights: http://t.co/ME5TXX2Czl

    We might be back in the game then

  95. comet December 4th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Just reading the latest NPB posting system. Looks like all the power in MLB today is in the hands of the small market teams. they will eventually destroy the geese that lay the golden eggs. Unless of course the league agrees to full revenue sharing like the NFL.

  96. joeman December 4th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    what was the problem with Morse last year

  97. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    MTU,

    Sorry I missed your post…Yes, the Cubans remain for now…But trust me, the moment the Yankees are really interested in a player they will do something to “level the playing field” :(

  98. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    I’m laughing thinking about what makes the Mariners panic. Fear of the Astros?

    At this rate the Astros are going to have Tanaka so they will probably easily overtake the Mariners :v

  99. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Johnny Damon and Jason Giambi weren’t pull hitters either until they signed here.

    Having said that – I hope Ellsbury doesn’t become pull happy.

    Yea Ellsbury looking to pull would be awful. Also funny you say that because Giambi nearly lost 15 HRs going from OAK to NYY lol
    —————-

    Ellsbury will have the same thing happen to his numbers that happened to Damon’s.

    The BA will dip a bit because he won’t be able to bang fly balls off the Monster and his power numbers will increase a bit because a few balls that he flairs to RF will go out.

  100. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    We might be back in the game then

    That articles from 2 days ago tho. The lowest record thing is more recent.

  101. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    @DCameronFG: This makes way more sense. RT @BillShaikin: player choice to negotiate with any club making max bid for rights: http://t.co/ME5TXX2Czl

    We might be back in the game then
    —————–

    Agreed.

  102. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Reports are saying now that the player will get to choose

  103. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Luis-

    Selig is like Maduro, dude.

    :)

  104. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Blake,

    I hope it is the case….Otherwise we are screwed

  105. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    joeman December 4th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    what was the problem with Morse last year
    —————

    He was bad and hurt. Played in 88 games with a .651 OPS.

  106. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Better not trade Ichiro.

    Use him, Matsui, and Kuroda to recruit him.

    :)

  107. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    MTU,

    LMAO!! Bud “Maduro” Selig…. Socialist president of the Soviet teams of MLB ;)

  108. Chad Jennings December 4th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Just deleted the post in question. Just a quick and oddly necessary reminder: We’re trying to avoid second-grade insults around here. Be able to engage in a legitimate conversation with people who disagree with you or go away.

  109. Yes You McCann December 4th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    luis, I agree that management can’t effectively spend money either. I don’t have an issue with the Ellsbury signing IF they are committed to spending as much money as possible to upgrade the team, this offseason and future offseasons, including re-signing Cano.

  110. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    JF-

    We clearly aren’t communicating.

    The cost to the Rangers for the Darvish deal was (6x$10M)+$51.7M=111.7M. At a $20M posting fee, and if you assume Darvish and Tanaka are equivalent, that’s $91.7M for the winning team to use. So Tanaka could get $15M per over 6 years and the winning team bidder would still come out ahead. So let’s say $12M or $13M per, the team and Tanaka come out ahead, right?

  111. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    I have wanted Tanaka form the get go.

    Let’s just hope he likes the Yankees.

    :)

  112. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Hey Chad,

    Speaking of second-grade insults. Giuseppe Franco allowed to keep calling me “stupid”? He’s been doing it for years and frankly I’m sick of his sht. I’ve never called him a name but if you won’t moderate him do I have a choice?

    Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    This same absolutist-speak poster insisted “Jesus Montero is going nowhere”.

    He likes to cut off conversation like that and he likes to use “we” to talk down to other posters and to bully them with his opinions. He’s under this illusion that everyone here must think like he does.

    Well, this same guy insists “Gardner is going nowhere”.

    we’ll see

    ——

    What I find amusing is that the only time you are ever right is when the Yanks do something completely illogical and/or stupid.

  113. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    sp; from not form.

  114. joeman December 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    please no Gardner talk today and tonight, can’t take it aymore

  115. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Bigdan,

    Different eras I think…. Damon might have gotten some help from you know what… I hope you are right though

  116. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Dang, Chip, second grade insults are part of the attraction.

  117. joeman December 4th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Giuseppe Franco never agrees with me

  118. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Well Joeman.

    What did you think ?

  119. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Ok Wave, will be interesting to see what Tanaka gets when he is posted. I just wanted to get a concrete answer from you so I can compare at the time. Not like to call you out on it or anything. I just think most MLB owners are cheap as hell and will not divert funds to the player when its unnecessary. Which, in a closed system like the posting system, it is.

  120. joeman December 4th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Bret ..we know Gardner is going somewhere…..OK no more

  121. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Guiseppe Franco,

    What I find a amusing is whenever you are wrong after making an absolutist statement, you refuse, REFUSE to humble yourself. You never stop speaking in absolutes!!! Even after you’re proven dead wrong!!!!

    Not after Montero did you change your tone. You got worse.

    Not after Ellsbury have you changed your tone.

    After Gardner, you won’t change your tone.

    YOU CAN’T HELP IT

    :lol:

  122. Chip December 4th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Dang, Chip, second grade insults are part of the attraction.
    ————-

    What? Who did I insult?

  123. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    McCann,

    The thing is that I think that model has been tried several times and has failed to provide sustained success…But we agree that now they need to spend their brains out ;)

  124. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    @jonmorosi: Sources confirm MLB-NPB agreement near, with NPB clubs indicating they will accept $20 million maximum bid.

    Won’t every team bid 20 million?

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Hey primo!

    Good post by the way and Dill’s too, thanks for sharing them

    As I told Pat M last night, they are willing to grossly overpay for a mercenary (Ellsbury), but at the same time they are low balling their own (Cano)?….Because if Ells is worth 21.8 mil, Cano is worth 35 mil IMO…So they either overpay again or they just move on from Cano…Very, very stupid

    FTR: I don’t believe Cano is worth that much, but how can they argue that when they are paying a much lesser player, anchor type money?
    ///

    luis primo,

    As another poster observed, if Cano were a FA from another organization, they’d be drooling all over him.

    FWIW, I think they’ll re-sign him. Not to take anything for granted when it comes to these people – because we’ve seen they are not particularly talented – but even they have to know how good he is and how bereft this team would be without him at 2B.

    Granted, they tried to trade him 3X that we know of, but they probably didn’t try seriously recently (because, with the impending FA which they caused by refusing to extend him, they were not in a great position to do so, even if it occurred to them), but I still think they know that his like isn’t out there, anywhere.

    Happy Holidays to you! Can’t wait to have a brew with ya :)

  126. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    I agree w JF.

    I don’t think anyone but the small market teams will benefit if that were the system.

    Hopefully they will allow the player to choose.

    That gives a fighting chance.

    West Coast teams might have a huge advantage due their proximity to Japan.

  127. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    JF-

    I agree with you that the owners will try to take advantage of their monopoly negotiating power. Just maybe not as much as you are thinking.

    Anyway, whatever Tanaka gets won’t prove anything. More data points are needed.

  128. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    You insist, INSIST on trying to portray yourself as if you know everything!!!!

    The absolutist language you’ve repeatedly used in baseball conversations, CONSTANTLY, is just the way you communicate :lol: And it doesn’t change how people see, you’re not always right!!!

    So maybe try phrasing things as suggestions or opinions rather than trying to bully everyone.

  129. joeman December 4th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
    Well Joeman.

    What did you think ?
    —————————-
    nice job

  130. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Orioles willing to give up 1st-round pick (No. 17 overall) for right FA. In play for Beltran, N. Cruz, etc. – if willing to spend.

  131. bigdan22 December 4th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    If we’re talking $20MM ceiling with player choice I bet you’ll have 10 teams or so in the mix.

    Question here is, how do you stop an “underground market” from developing? What will stop teams from getting out the word what they’d be willing to offer Tanaka if he selects them? How much time will Tanaka have to make his choice? Can he speak to teams while he’s deciding? Can teams pitch him without discussing compensation?

  132. mick December 4th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    . Sorry, but either they better start to build the farm and rely heavily on it
    ===============================
    never have, never will…never never land luis

  133. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    You’re hilarious, Bret.

    Nobody else ever accuses me of “bullying” except you and you have the well deserved reputation here for years of often acting like a child.

    You attacked me and I responded in kind.

  134. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Yea but Tanaka will be the first big test since we have a similar player so recently posted. And if it truly goes by worst record we’ll see a very cheap team snagging him. ‘

    Please be players choice

  135. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    At 20 million posting fee you’re going to see ~15 bids realistically. Maybe more. Its a stupid, stupid system.

  136. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Man… $20 million is so low. Basically every team can be in on him.

    I wouldn’t even post him at that rate. Tanaka has to be worth more to NPB and his recent championship-winning club.

  137. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
    You’re hilarious, Bret.

    Nobody else ever accuses me of “bullying” except you and you have the well deserved reputation here for years of often acting like a child.

    You attacked me and I responded in kind.

    _________

    :lol:

    You feel attacked?

    I merely stated how you can’t help but speak in unapologetic, unflattering, absolutist language!!!

    Maybe soften your language.

    You feel the need to call me a child?

    :lol:

    hilarious!!!

  138. mick December 4th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Nobody else ever accuses me of “bullying” except you and you have the well deserved reputation here for years of often acting like a child.
    ======================
    Don’t be so sure…

  139. bigdan22 December 4th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    I almost think you can’t do player choice because you’d end up with a de facto market of teams bidding against each other which MLB def wants to avoid. If it’s player’s choice, I don’t know how you could regulate that.

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Bret the Hitman,

    Getting pretty tired of your trolling of Giueseppe Franco, and I’ll bet others would appreciate it if you put a sock in it.

    You are extremely fortunate that your tasteless and and most unkind disparaging references to the serious illness GF suffered went undetected because the guy who runs the blog was on vacation.

    Now quit while you’re behind and stop making slurs against his character: speak to the posts and leave the cheap shots out of it.

  141. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    “Please be players choice”

    This.

    But west coast Teams who are competitive would seem to gain the edge due to their proximity to Japan.

    Many of them have huge cash reserves as well.

    Still would take a stroke of luck to land Tanaka.

    He would have to be a closet Yankees fan.

    At least it would be his choice though.

  142. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Mick,

    Notice is constant, CONSTANT use of “nobody” and “everybody” and associated blanket phrases.

    The guy is NEVER WRONG even after he is proven in plain daylight CLEARLY WRONG

  143. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    “Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
    Dang, Chip, second grade insults are part of the attraction.
    ————-
    What? Who did I insult?”

    I’m clearly missing something here but sometimes I’m thick like that.

  144. thelastClemensfan December 4th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Is this change not something the ownership has to sign off on? I mean, clearly it doesn’t if it goes through, but I can’t imagine that the Steins, Magic, John Henry, etc…won’t make a fuss about it.

  145. hardwired7 December 4th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    So now the O’s are willing to spend money and a surrender a draft choice on a player, but they weren’t willing to give an effective closer in Jim Johnson a fair market $10M contract?

    Of course, even if they do spend money that won’t stop them from railing non-stop against the Yankees’ spending habits.

  146. mick December 4th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Bret

    Watch out for punkrock as he is trying to get you banned.

    Don’t fall for it.

  147. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
    Bret the Hitman,

    Getting pretty tired of your trolling of Giueseppe Franco, and I’ll bet others would appreciate it if you put a sock in it.

    You are extremely fortunate that your tasteless and and most unkind disparaging references to the serious illness GF suffered went undetected because the guy who runs the blog was on vacation.

    Now quit while you’re behind and stop making slurs against his character: speak to the posts and leave the cheap shots out of it.

    _____________

    This post is a barrel of laughs!!!! He calls me stupid. He calls me a child. And you jump in saying I slur him for pointing out he uses absolutist language AT ALL TIMES.

    His shots are not cheap?

    Let the man back up his FALSE absolutist assertions.

  148. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Peter “Mick” Pan….That was the way the Yankees built their legacy ( they had the best farm for decades)..You should know that better than me… Gehrig, Dickey, Berra, Howard, Dimaggio, Mantle, Ford and on and on to Jeter, Posada, Bernie, Pettitte and Mo were all homegrown…. The FA route worked once (1977-78) at the dawn of the FA system…It hasn’t worked since

    The FO is the one stuck in never, neverland

  149. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Whatever, Bret.

    Only one of us has ever been banned from this blog for their behavior and it wasn’t me.

    Then you “triumphantly” returned months later with the “Jesus Bustero” moniker to draw attention to yourself.

    I never seem to have these kinds of complaints from anyone else.

    Move on. We had a good discussion until you started this crap. I’m done.

  150. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    But west coast Teams who are competitive would seem to gain the edge due to their proximity to Japan.

    Many of them have huge cash reserves as well.

    Still would take a stroke of luck to land Tanaka.

    He would have to be a closet Yankees fan.

    New York has a lot to offer Japanese players, and the Yankees have had some great ones to prove it. I think NYY would have a leg up over say… the Mets vs West Coast teams. Though I think it would probably be neck and neck between the SFG/LAD/LAA/NYY for the top guys.

  151. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Mo said he heard McCann was a good guy and he hopes he doesn’t start aiming for the short porch

  152. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    I don’t get how they decided the team with the crappier record should get to negotiate.. they’re probably worse because they have no money lol.

  153. mick December 4th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    peter mick pan…lol good one louie

  154. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    GF – Honestly, ignoring it is more effective.

  155. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    I didn’t come back as Jesus Bustero to draw attention to myself. I came back to draw attention to all the absurd absolutism that preceded the trade and the aftermath!!!

    And once I pounded his soul into the turf, I got bored!

  156. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Mo says if you give Ellsbury 153 million you have to respect cano

  157. mick December 4th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    ( they had the best farm for decades)..You should know that better than me…
    =================
    el prez…the kc athletics were their farm system.

  158. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Primo, I am looking forward to that brewski!! ;)

    Hopefully by then Cano is in the fold…Otherwise I might have an aneurysm!! ;)

  159. Wave Your Hat December 4th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    My guess is the proposed posting system will morph yet a few more times before it’s settled.

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    I’m not interested in “getting someone banned”.

    I’m here to discuss the Yankees.

    I have no problem with Bret’s presence when he sticks to baseball, or anyone’s.

    I believe the blog can actually accommodate differing views, and that it is BETTER for them.

    Talk baseball or get out.

  161. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    But could a team do what Chip suggested and sign them to a reasonable deal and trade them? Does that violate the spirit of the agreement? I’d assume so.

  162. UpState December 4th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    “…In addition to enviable pitching depth, the Diamondbacks also have several intriguing shortstops in the form of Didi Gregorius, Chris Owings and Nick Ahmed.
    Martin Prado’s presence means that Arizona could also be inclined to include Matt Davidson in potential trades, and the presence of both A.J. Pollock (OF) could mean that Adam Eaton (P) is attainable as well…” notes Crasnick.

    ========================

    Mr. Cashman may like to consider a 3-way deal to get one or more of the AZ Infield kids..

    AZ is looking for :

    *** Ace Pitchers

    *** Power Bats

    …..Vernon Wells may not be very attractive a player to AZ as a Power Bat.

    ….. Phelps might not look like an Ace to them either.

    3-Way Deal….or forget it.

  163. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Have they said if the player gets to choose yet?

  164. joeman December 4th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    mick December 4th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
    Nobody else ever accuses me of “bullying” except you and you have the well deserved reputation here for years of often acting like a child.
    ======================
    Don’t be so sure…
    —–
    +2

  165. J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Primo, I am looking forward to that brewski!! ;)

    Hopefully by then Cano is in the fold…Otherwise I might have an aneurysm!! ;)
    ///

    Don’t even joke about that! :)

    I hear you. I do think he’ll be back. Can’t wait to see ya!

  166. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Glad you liked it Mick…It was meant to be funny

  167. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    JF-

    Guess we’ll have to hope Tanaka likes the Yankees and their money.

    The rules are nebulous at this moment.

    I hope to hear more about what is allowed and what is not.

    For example, do they allow “foreplay” of any kind ?

  168. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    @Joelsherman1: MLB offer to NPB was max posting bid $20M, any team willing to pay can negotiate with plyr for prescribed 1-month period. Plyr picks team

    Were back in business

  169. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    JAP,

    I appreciate the defense. Thanks. The shrug off stuff about my illness doesn’t phase me because I completely recovered from it and now I’m better shape than I was in high school.

    As longtime regulars here, we’ve all earned our reputations – good, bad, or whatever. He has certainly earned his so I’m not concerned with him trying to attack my character.

    People have their opinions about me one way or another so whatever he says isn’t going to change anyone’s mind.

    Thanks again, but this has been a good day for baseball discussion so I’d rather not continue this nonsense.

  170. Chad Jennings December 4th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    What’s amazing is that when I posted what I did, I initially wasn’t even talking about the usual Bret vs. Franco situation. Someone else had emailed me to complain about another questionable post, and I was commenting on that.

    But, I see that my post has only encouraged the Bret vs. Franco thing to become just as pointless as ever. Do you seriously not understand how to have a conversation about this stuff.

    You don’t like the way one person presents his argument. Fine. But surely at some point we all learned to respond in a way other than juvenile mocking. You recognize that someone is stooping to juvenile retorts. Fine. Maybe that’s not someone you want to engage in conversation, because inevitably it seems to require taking an even lower road rather than a higher one.

  171. mick December 4th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    lucky louie does this mean we are buds once again?

  172. Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    I think I was given a 2 minute minor for my softball comment. Sorry to the Blog, Chad and The Face Man himself. Ellsbury will hit 30 dingers this season, or there about. Any inside mistakes will be driven into the stands in right at The Stadium

  173. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Blake-

    Wonderful news.

    Hope Tanaka like to travel around the US ?

    :)

  174. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    So “Foreplay” is allowed.

    :)

  175. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    And what one man perceives as me “acting like a child” another sees as “having fun” or being silly. Some people actually laugh when I say things so maybe I can be funny sometimes depending on how serious you take yourself, life, the internet, a random dude on the internet, etc. etc.

  176. UpState December 4th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
    I don’t get how they decided the team with the crappier record should get to negotiate.. they’re probably worse because they have no money lol.

    ==============

    They ALL have money (maybe not the NYM) – they’ve all been whining forever & the owners have simply pocketed the money.

    They may open up now that they’ll have neutered the NYY in this Japanese arena.

    Power to the meek !

  177. J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    Chad Jennings December 4th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Just deleted the post in question. Just a quick and oddly necessary reminder: We’re trying to avoid second-grade insults around here. Be able to engage in a legitimate conversation with people who disagree with you or go away.

    ///

    I’m sure all who are here to discuss baseball can agree, even if we vehemently disagree on baseball issues, that this is a much appreciated reminder.

  178. UpState December 4th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Hope Blake’s update is correct.

    (missed it)

  179. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Chad Jennings December 4th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
    What’s amazing is that when I posted what I did, I initially wasn’t even talking about the usual Bret vs. Franco situation. Someone else had emailed me to complain about another questionable post, and I was commenting on that.

    But, I see that my post has only encouraged the Bret vs. Franco thing to become just as pointless as ever. Do you seriously not understand how to have a conversation about this stuff.

    You don’t like the way one person presents his argument. Fine. But surely at some point we all learned to respond in a way other than juvenile mocking. You recognize that someone is stooping to juvenile retorts. Fine. Maybe that’s not someone you want to engage in conversation, because inevitably it seems to require taking an even lower road rather than a higher one.

    ________

    When I’ve ignored him, he’ll just broadcast demeaning language to the board. It’s directed at me for everyone to see. He really does talk down to people Chad and I hit him with his own medicine because he never stops talking down to people even after proven wrong.

    I will agree right here right now to never comment on his comments if he can do the same.

  180. hardwired7 December 4th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    I wonder what MLB’s next move to shunt the Yankees will be?

    They’ve already channeled funds, imposed a soft cap, now hamstringing the NPB posting system? Give it a rest, already.

  181. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    When the Yankees make their pitch I am pretty confident they can come out on top.

    In any case it gives them a fair chance to compete.

  182. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    @Joelsherman1: According to folks at MLB not told yet that NPB has accepted, but there are Japanese media reports that it will.

    So yanks just have to bid 20 million then it’s a normal FA pursuit more or less

  183. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    @Joelsherman1: MLB offer to NPB was max posting bid $20M, any team willing to pay can negotiate with plyr for prescribed 1-month period. Plyr picks team

    Were back in business

    ————-

    Yes!!

    Sorry for the trouble, Chad. I’m just glad my ‘weed’ post got to stay.

  184. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    “. Sorry, but either they better start to build the farm and rely heavily on it
    ===============================
    never have, never will…never never land luis”

    __
    But fact of the matter is that if they did, they would be invulnerable. No one could touch them! Even if mlb’s brand of socialism reared its ugly head, the Yankees could thumb their noses at mlb.

  185. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    If they could get Kuroda done one would think havin he and Ichiro would help with Tanaka if he gets to choose

  186. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    So yanks just have to bid 20 million then it’s a normal FA pursuit more or less

    ————–

    If true, this is basically your best case scenario and the Yankees somehow managed to escape a $50 million+ posting fee.

  187. J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Thanks again, but this has been a good day for baseball discussion so I’d rather not continue this nonsense.
    ///

    You’re welcome. Agreed.

  188. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    But fact of the matter is that if they did, they would be invulnerable. No one could touch them! Even if mlb’s brand of socialism reared its ugly head, the Yankees could thumb their noses at mlb.

    —————–

    Yes, yes, YES!!!!!!

    DOMINATION.

    That’s what we want. Why be good at one facet of the game when you can be good at ALL the facets of the game.

  189. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    ————–

    If true, this is basically your best case scenario and the Yankees somehow managed to escape a $50 million+ posting fee.

    It would seem

  190. joeman December 4th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
    I think I was given a 2 minute minor for my softball comment. Sorry to the Blog, Chad and The Face Man himself. Ellsbury will hit 30 dingers this season, or there about. Any inside mistakes will be driven into the stands in right at The Stadium
    ————————————————
    Pat M…..who will hit more taters…Tex or Ellsbury

  191. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Ok I like this new proposed change but it will drive up costs if player can negotiate with all the teams? Did MLB just screw themselves and the NPB?

  192. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Mick,

    I just want to keep it civil, a little fun might help with things around here…As for buddies, I guess time will tell

  193. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    I think I was given a 2 minute minor for my softball comment. Sorry to the Blog, Chad and The Face Man himself. Ellsbury will hit 30 dingers this season, or there about. Any inside mistakes will be driven into the stands in right at The Stadium

    —————

    I feel a chocolate bar bet coming on….

  194. mick December 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    But fact of the matter is that if they did, they would be invulnerable. No one could touch them!
    ====================
    Not the way they are built.
    Too much a crapshoot.
    Fans haven’t the patience.

  195. Doreen December 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Yankeefeminista,

    When Cashman first announced that they would be making a conscious effort to rebuild their farm system that was exactly the sentiment. that the Yankees would make themselves untouchable via the combination of money and development.

    Someone in the loop was not fully committed is my thinking.

  196. pkyankfan69 December 4th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    I need an arch enemy on here… Does anyone want to be mine?

  197. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Blake-

    That seems to be the story.

    Frequent trips back to Japan on us do anything for ya’ Masahiro ?

    How about our great traditions and large wallet ?

    Want to meet two or three of Japans greatest ever. No problem. Be Teammates w 2 of them.

    How a bout a personalized tour of Yankee Stadium ?

    Care to check out our facilities ? They are state of the art you know.

    Etc., etc, etc.

    I like our chances.

  198. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Bret,

    Please give it a rest…. GF is a great poster…Even if sometimes we don’t agree

    Keep it to baseball please

  199. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Ok I like this new proposed change but it will drive up costs if player can negotiate with all the teams? Did MLB just screw themselves and the NPB?

    ————-

    Yeah I’m still really confused why NPB agreed to this.. maybe there are other benefits they’ll receive that we just don’t know about yet, but wouldn’t it make more sense to not post him and hang on to their 24-0 pitcher (or whatever crazy record he had)?

  200. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    So if these are the rules it may increase the odds the Yankees get Tanaka…..but they may have to pay more on the contract.

  201. hardwired7 December 4th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    $20M…how many toilets will that buy?

    http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/.....lets-23640

  202. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    pkyankfan69 says:
    December 4, 2013 at 5:45 pm
    I need an arch enemy on here… Does anyone want to be mine?

    Lol

  203. pkyankfan69 December 4th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Will Tanaka get to negotiate with all the teams that bid $20M or does he have to pick one before hearing what their offers will be?

  204. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    69-

    Just convince your pooch to fill in.

    :)

  205. UpState December 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    hardwired7 December 4th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
    I wonder what MLB’s next move to shunt the Yankees will be?

    They’ve already channeled funds, imposed a soft cap, now hamstringing the NPB posting system? Give it a rest, already.
    ============================

    The little owners with deeeep pockets….
    that keep their money and don’t re-invest back into their teams….
    will continue to back any & all moves to stymie the Yankees !

  206. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    So here’s my real question: where did Hank find a Randy Levine suit?

    I know how he escaped (you’re welcome), but I can’t figure out how he got back into the FO.

  207. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Is it true that Michael Kay had never eaten a condiment in his life? I mean how is that possible

  208. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Doreen,

    Is not only that they weren’t committed to it…They didn’t have the fortitude to stay the course and started making knee jerk moves…It appears they haven’t learned either…That Ells contract seems a perfect example

  209. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Doreen, it is still a possibility if we don’t block every avenue with long-term NTC contracts. (That is, after Cano’s back in the fold ;)

    “I feel a chocolate bar bet coming on….”

    I just ate a piece of Salazon: dark chocolate with sea salt and caramel. Yum.

  210. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    I’ve been against Hughes for years on this board. I was against an extension. It affects some posters beyond baseball.

    I’ve been against Montero hype for years. I was for a trade. People took it personally.

    Gardner I don’t care for. I’m against an extension. That makes some posters dislike me personally.

    I talk about baseball like everyone else, the effect is different because of some of the unpopular stances I’ve taken against certain players.

    I don’t regret any of these stances.

  211. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    69-

    Anyone he wants to for up to a full month.

    At that time if he has not already chosen he must do so.

    That would be my guess.

  212. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Luis my 5:51 comment was a response to your post about me sticking to baseball.

  213. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    blake, we could get into some deep psychological analysis of Kay and his rejection of condiments, but it wouldn’t be pretty…

  214. pkyankfan69 December 4th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    So I take it with this new system we can definitely still get him but the contract won’t be nearly as cheap as before because obviously multiple teams will be bidding.

  215. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Is it true that Michael Kay had never eaten a condiment in his life? I mean how is that possible

    —-

    Yes, so he claims.

    But perhaps he’s never eaten a condiment that he’s aware of. Never heard of a kid who never ate ketchup on his hotdog, burger, or fries.

  216. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    yankeefeminista says:
    December 4, 2013 at 5:52 pm
    blake, we could get into some deep psychological analysis of Kay and his rejection of condiments, but it wouldn’t be pretty…

    I mean supposedly he’s never eaten a banana either?

  217. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Bret,

    I know… And I respect your stance on those issues… The same way I hope you respect mine…Just don’t make it personal

  218. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    blake, I believe it. It is downright creepy. I will say no more.

  219. blake December 4th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Kay is a strange bird …..I like his radio show though to be honest

  220. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Shame,

    Politicians have an inherent ability to get in to the thick of things

  221. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Luis,

    I don’t take it personal when people take my hardline stances against select players too personally.

  222. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Some of you make it sound like we have completely abandoned trying to strengthen the Farm

    I don’t believe we have.

    We still have huge reservoirs of talent down there.

    And in the pitching area at least the hiring of Patterson shows an ongoing commitment.

    Can it be improved ? Of course.

    I hope they continue to do so.

    That said, All prospects are suspects, and great majority of them have a born on and expiration date
    from day one.

    Those are destined to be traded.

    I absolutely believe the Farm will provide some pieces in the future. And some useful trade pieces.

    It already has and will continue to do so. Perhaps at an even higher rate.

    :)

  223. luis December 4th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Got to go guys…Have a good one all

  224. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    I always thought Kay was better known for his lack of condiment ingestion than his play-by-play.

  225. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    YES Network @YESNetwork 23m
    Packed day of @Yankees baseball tomorrow with Brian McCann press conference LIVE 2pm & NEW #YankeesHotStove 6:30pm. pic.twitter.com/6LokdBKxjw
    ___
    Reminder about McCann’s presser.

  226. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    I make it personal when posters insult me. I’m never ever the first to cast an insult. Good luck finding that on my record.

  227. Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    joeman. Texeria goes off for 35, Ellsbury, 25 as I will back pedal a little on this. Shame, I need to clear the books with LGY before taking on more Ritter bar debt.

  228. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Hi and bye, luis! :)

  229. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    I know a kid like that… hates all condiments. He was also kind of a terrible person.

  230. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    GF, very likely.

  231. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    I still say Newman should be reading want ads.

    That was a bad sign.

    It’s doubtful Cashman returns when his contract expires. that’s OK too.

  232. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    blake, his radio show is good as long as he is not pontificating, and he should consider doing radio full time.

  233. Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    I always thought that Jerkface and myself added a little spice to the blog especially since SJ & GB have left the clubhouse, sadly for different reasons however

  234. J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    ‘night, primo.

    None of this stuff can be evaluated in a vacuum, without the Cano decision, I would say.

    As for Kay, to be spared of his shrillness would be something to celebrate.

  235. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    YES Network @YESNetwork 23m
    Packed day of @Yankees baseball tomorrow with Brian McCann press conference LIVE 2pm & NEW #YankeesHotStove 6:30pm. pic.twitter.com/6LokdBKxjw
    ___
    Reminder about McCann’s presser.

    —-

    So I guess they are planning on doing a dog and pony show for Ellsbury on another day.

    Unless Ellsbury has other obligations, I don’t see why they just don’t introduce both tomorrow.

    Save the gas and the catering bill.

  236. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    If you look at Ellsbury’s spray chart, he simply doesn’t hit the ball where it would benefit from NYS. He goes oppo a lot. He hits lots of ground balls. He is a guy who averages single digit HRs in all his non-fluke years.

    Damon actually hit 20 Hrs in Fenway, and then maxed out at 24 as a Yankee. The amount of hype for Ellsbury is reaching the same critical mass that the negativism for Gardner has been at on this board.

  237. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Lol, that’s fair Pat. I wouldn’t wanna fleece ya! ;)

    Now that the team is coming into view, I hope Tex is able to find a way to adjust post-surgery because he can be a big part of this club.

    With Cano and just a couple more pieces this is a WS contending team.

  238. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    If the M’s are willing to go all out to sign Cano I’d say he’s as good as gone.

    We’ll see how bad they want a star in Seattle.

  239. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    I say we keep Ichiro until after Tanaka chooses. ;)

    GF, if $189 is still in play, then I agree that they should share a presser for budget reasons.

  240. yankeesfan December 4th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Maybe, just maybe, the Yankees to change the image of the team and make it more “white”. How can you justify giving Elsbury all those years at that price and embarrassing Cano???

  241. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    @BillShaikin: Posting proposal: Player can negotiate with all teams that make max bid for rights. That means: FA bidding war!

    Ok NPB, accept and welcome your new yankee overlords.

  242. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    I enjoy the Pat/JF dueling/measuring.

  243. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    I enjoy the Pat/JF dueling/measuring.

    Unfortunately people who can’t use numbers lose at measuring.

  244. UpState December 4th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    I say we keep Ichiro until after Tanaka chooses. ;)

    ===================

    …and keep Matsui on speed dial

  245. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Awesome, so now we can pencil Tanaka in lol.

  246. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Jerkface,

    Who on this board other than Joeman and I contribute to this critical mass of negativism towards Gardner? We are 2 regulars out of how many?

  247. blake December 4th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    Good that tanaka gets to choose….I think that favors the yanks ….however if tanaka gets to choose then it’s basically like normal free agency and that’ll push his contract price tag up most likely

  248. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    I say we keep Ichiro until after Tanaka chooses. ;)

    GF, if $189 is still in play, then I agree that they should share a presser for budget reasons.

    —-

    That’s why I’m not ready to celebrate yet. This Ellsbury deal doesn’t necessarily mean Project $189M has been scrapped.

    They have to fill other holes too (like that dude named Cano) so it remains to be seen.

    I will withhold judgement until Feb when pitchers and catchers report.

  249. blake December 4th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 4, 2013 at 6:07 pm
    I enjoy the Pat/JF dueling/measuring.

    Me too….it’s even better when pat m has taken his Percocet!

  250. Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    But at age 62 I can still hit a 70 mph fastball Face. I don’t think you ever face anything other than a 15 foot arc pillow softball

  251. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Blake-

    They’re gonna go over anyway.

    And you said you don’t care about saving money.

    Can’t think of a more worthy cause.

    Except for Cano.

    ;)

  252. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Upstate, absolutely, and tell Tanaka that Mats will throw out the first pitch at his debut game. Mats actually was hanging around our minor league teams in 2013, so maybe we will continue to see him around Yankeeland. Maybe they can hire him as hitting coach. :)

  253. Jerkface December 4th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    And ellsbury strikes out more than Damon ever did before becoming a free agent while walking less. He isn’t a magic elite player. He is a .780 OPS centerfielder.

    I am excited for some 70 SB seasons though!

  254. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    GF, yep, and if we don’t sign Cano and fill those holes, then these vaunted FA signings will just be so much wasted cash.

  255. UpState December 4th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    Upstate, absolutely, and tell Tanaka that Mats will throw out the first pitch at his debut game. Mats actually was hanging around our minor league teams in 2013, so maybe we will continue to see him around Yankeeland. Maybe they can hire him as hitting coach. :)

    ===================

    If we can get Kuroda under contract…..even better !

  256. bigdan22 December 4th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Can somebody explain to me how these new posting rules make any sense? The only winner here is the player and I’m not sure how that could be possible. What leverage does the player have in the negotiations between MLB and NPB?

    Player will get a ton more money in virtually open bidding, something MLB is on the record as saying they don’t want. Japanese teams are the big losers here and there’s a report that Tanaka’s team is the only Japanese against these new rules (makes sense right?) so maybe they decide not to post Tanaka. Small market teams don’t win with open bidding. Big market teams may seem like they’ve won but the money they save on posting may go to the player. Even more maybe.

    Don’t get it.

  257. blake December 4th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    @jaysonst: Can #Yankees pay Cano (& others) & stay under $189M? They say yes. But I did the math. And I’m not so sure http://t.co/mUKnotBWRX

  258. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    If the M’s go to the mat we aren’t getting Cano.

    They might just be desperate enough.

    Better hope not because the Yankees aren’t entering into that territory.

  259. Yes You McCann December 4th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    As VP and soon to be President of Team Greedy, we should sign Choo, Cano, Kuroda, Tanaka (if possible) to start with.

  260. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Damon career OPS and OPS+
    .785 104

    Ellsbury career OPS and OPS+
    .789 108

    But Ellsbury is an elite base stealer and superior defender over Damon.

    Ellsbury is Johnny Damon minus the clown act.

  261. Yes You McCann December 4th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    “But at age 62 I can still hit a 70 mph fastball Face” That has literally no value whatsoever.

  262. J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    I thoroughly enjoyed Randy and GB7′s salvos at each other.

    But they clearly were fond of each other, so it was goodwill sparring.

  263. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Everyone is more fun on percs.

  264. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Blake-

    Cano, McCann, Johnson, Ellsbury, and Kuroda + will put them over w or w/o A-rod money.

    Unless the budget # is 200 something.

    they won’t be under 189 that way.

  265. J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Wake me up when we sign Cano.

  266. austinmac December 4th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Shame,

    I’m glad your post got to stay too. It made me laugh. We need your usual mellow comments to help us through the day.

  267. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Upstate, call me an optimist, but I am assuming Kuroda is in the fold until I hear he isn’t.

  268. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    JAP-

    Hate to say it but there are no guarantees.

    I don’t see the Yankees going above 200.

    The M’s might.

  269. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 4th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
    Wake me up when we sign Cano.
    ___
    That beats wake me up in 2015.

  270. bigdan22 December 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Ok, I just thought of something. Before, the small market teams wanted the posting fee included in luxury tax calculations. That’s what that dispute was about during the GM meetings. Because the money in the old posting fee now gets shifted to player salaries, you could say the small market teams won something here. Part of the old posting fee is now subject to the luxury tax.

    You gotta believe the avg annual salary estimate for Tanaka now goes from $12MM to at least $20MM. Maybe more. Yanks will def need to ditch 189 to play even without Cano.

  271. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Yes – You might have people fighting you for that VP spot! I was kind of made the defacto president at one point… but I like to think of Team Greedy as belonging to everyone equally with no leadership body.

    Basically we’re Occupy Wall Street but we actually stand for something productive: making the Yankees awesome.

  272. yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    8/200, offer it and Cano will hopefully take it.

  273. austinmac December 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    MCCann,

    Our president, Shame, has been worrying about money too much today. We peasants might consider revolting. Spend and then spend some more. Hal, it will feel good. You will be beloved.

  274. blake December 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Randy’s twitter is funny

  275. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    YF-

    That’s where I’m at.

    I’ll be extremely disappointed if we lose out on him.

    IMO his presence is critical again.

  276. blake December 4th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    yankeefeminista says:
    December 4, 2013 at 6:21 pm
    8/200, offer it and Cano will hopefully take it.

    Yes

  277. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    mac – This week has been so intense!!!! I thought we might dive into superlatives but we haven’t had a chance…. so much for my book club idea.

    Anyone ever read If You Give A Mouse A Cookie? Good stuff, and full of important life messages.

  278. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Dan-

    189 is toast.

  279. Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Pruf……My message was SJ and GB going toe to toe with Face. I’ve taken the torch

  280. chicken little December 4th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    To me, if all teams that bid $20 million can negotiate with Tanaka, the problem will be if Hal decides to stick to $189 million, because with all teams (including LA, Boston, etc …) involved, Tanaka is going to get paid like a 15-20 game winner int he USA, which is far more than he would have gotten paid had it been that only 1 team can negotiate with him.

  281. austinmac December 4th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Shame,

    Of course I have read it. It is my wife’s favorite I think.

  282. Yes You McCann December 4th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    “Yes – You might have people fighting you for that VP spot! I was kind of made the defacto president at one point… but I like to think of Team Greedy as belonging to everyone equally with no leadership body.

    Basically we’re Occupy Wall Street but we actually stand for something productive: making the Yankees awesome.”

    //////

    I couldn’t agree more. There’s nothing more productive than making the Yankees awesome.

  283. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Here is the spray chart for Ellsbury in Fenway. He is not a pull hitter but as Shame said last night when I posted it-give Long some time to screw it up. LOL

    If you give a mouse a cookie, he will ask for some milk!

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/p.....y-ellsbury

  284. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    The way things may be going, though, the Yanks still may be in on Beltran, who supposedly has a 3-year, $48 million deal on the table from the Kansas City Royals. Remember Beltran wanted to be a Yankee so bad back in 2005 that he actually went back to them after being offered a massive deal from the Mets and offered to play for less money.

    Would he consider that again?

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....0387.story

  285. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    This new wrinkle with Tanaka does put a damper on this whole ‘we might still be able to get under $189′ thing… which is why they shouldn’t worry about $189, sign Cano for 8/190-200, get a 3B and 2 more starters.

  286. bigdan22 December 4th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    If Tanaka really becomes a free agent, at 25, with his history, I’m not sure there’s much of a comparable. First off, how long should he sign for? Would he want a 10 year deal? Or would 3 or 5 be better so he could do this again? I’m not sure what the rules are for him. When would he be a free agent under MLB rules?

    This could be a ridiculous contract.

  287. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Love the mouse book. Love that it doesn’t rhyme.. those Dr. Seuss books are a b*tch.

  288. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    “If you give a mouse a cookie, he’s going to ask for a glass of milk. When you give him the milk, he’ll probably ask you for a straw. When he’s finished, he’ll ask you for a napkin. Then he’ll want to look in a mirror to make sure he doesn’t have a milk mustache. When he looks in the mirror, he might notice his hair needs a trim. So he’ll probably ask for a pair of nail scissors.

    When he’s finished giving himself a trim, he’ll want a broom to sweep it up. He’ll start sweeping. He might get carried away and sweep every room in the house. He may even end up washing the floors as well! When he’s done, he’ll probably want to take a nap. You’ll have to fix up a little box for him with a blanket and a pillow. He’ll crawl in, make himself comfortable and fluff the pillow a few times. He’ll probably ask you to read him a story. So you’ll read to him from one of your books, and he’ll ask to see the pictures.

    When he looks at the pictures, he’ll get so excited he’ll want to draw one of his own. He’ll ask for paper and crayons. He’ll draw a picture. When the picture is finished, he’ll want to sign his name with a pen. Then he’ll want to hang his picture on your refrigerator. Which means he’ll need Scotch tape. He’ll hang up his drawing and stand back to look at it. Looking at the refrigerator will remind him that he’s thirsty.

    So… he’ll ask for a glass of milk. And chances are if he asks you for a glass of milk, he’s going to want a cookie to go with it.”

  289. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    There will be plenty of dough as Blake said if the Yankees real budget goes back to the Avg. of the last few years.

    Throw in some extra A-Rod money and there is room to fill out most everyone’s wish list.

    That’s how it should be.

    I think that’s where it’s headed.

    :)

  290. Shame Spencer December 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Trader – Thanks for posting!!!!!

    Love that greedy little mouse (who also cleans your floor, btw, so let’s give him a break).

  291. MTU December 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Can’t wait for those WM.

    :)

  292. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    This posting agreement, while it appears too early to speculate , could turn out to be just like free agency, with the exception you have to bid 20M to be a player.

  293. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    But at age 62 I can still hit a 70 mph fastball Face.
    —–

    That’s awesome. Kudos.

    I’m going to be 40 in a few months and I’ve been playing in a men’s baseball league the last few summers. Prior to that, I hadn’t thrown a baseball or swung a bat in nearly 20 years.

    But I was quite shocked to discover that I had a much better arm than I ever imagined and was consistently clocked in the low 80s when I was asked to take one for the team and pitch the last inning of a game we were losing by 6 runs and had nobody else to pitch.

    Now I’m anything but a pro athlete so I was quite proud of that feat. I had no idea I could throw that hard (albeit, for one inning).

  294. Doreen December 4th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    LOVE “if You Give A Mouse A Cookie!”

  295. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    yankeefeminista December 4th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    GF, yep, and if we don’t sign Cano and fill those holes, then these vaunted FA signings will just be so much wasted cash.

    —-

    That’s precisely how I see it.

    Maybe the disastrous 2013 campaign combined with the RS winning was enough to persuade Hal that this self imposed salary cap was not such a swift idea after all.

    We can only hope.

  296. Howler December 4th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    What was your arm like the next day Giuseppe

  297. Pat M. December 4th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Senior Franco, just keep playing and the dropoff is not as dramatic. I tore my cuff back in 78 so all I can do for the last 37 years is elbow the ball up there. Be thankful and as you know take a real long time stretching and warming up the arm

  298. UpState December 4th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    “… Part of the old posting fee is now subject to the luxury tax…”

    =====================

    22′s correct….any & all MLB rule changes are anti-NYY.

    Call it a conspiracy, call it what you’d like – it’s all about choking the Yankees.

    ..and they b1tch about the Yankees spending … then turn around and take away draft picks after a signing – so we need to continue to go the FA route while trying to get some ‘cheaper’ players thru our farm system (that never gets a shot at a TOP 10 prospect).

    I guess they want the NYY to ‘tank’ and then get good picks.

    The Yankees don’t tank.

  299. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Now only if the Yankees could give Cano a cookie, about 200 million of them. Time for Cashman to take Jeter to Cano’s fathers home and sit down with Cano and his family and tell him why he should stay in pinstripes.

  300. BIG AL December 4th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Has a new posting system been agreed to? Last I read both sides were to continue talks tomorrow.

  301. austinmac December 4th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    GF,

    Pretty darn impressive. I wonder what you could have thrown at 20 working out like you do now.

  302. BIG AL December 4th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    randy -

    I heard you were no longer here – Welcome back. :)

  303. chicken_stanley December 4th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    GF – definitely impressive… The only way I can approach 80mph with a baseball is to toss it into an open window of a speeding car

  304. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    AL

    According to Jon Morosi, the MLB and NPB are nearing an agreement on the posting system. In the new blind bidding approach, there will be a maximum bid of $20 million. There are currently two proposals for tie breakers, one which goes to the team with the worst record, and the other determined by the player’s preference.

  305. austinmac December 4th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Randy,

    Welcome back.

  306. Howler December 4th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    I could probably still hit 80 but I wouldn’t feel my hand for 3 days.

  307. Bret The Hitman December 4th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    The Yanks still need a right fielder, unless of course, you are under the misguided notion that they will enter the year with Ichiro Suzuki and his .297 on-base percentage there.

    The assumption is that Brett Gardner will slide over to left, while Alfonso Soriano takes over as a full-time designated hitter, something he has said in the past that he is opposed to.

    Not to mention the Yanks are an aging team. They like to use the DH as a way to give guys like Derek Jeter, Mark Teixeira or even Alex Rodriguez a break in the field.

    Don’t be surprised if you start to hear Gardner’s name bandied about next week at the Winter Meetings.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....0387.story

  308. austinmac December 4th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Wasn’t it agreed the posting fee couldn’t count as luxury tax without the players union re-opening the agreement, and they would not. Is that still true?

  309. BIG AL December 4th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    YT -

    Thanks, I think that sucks!

    The fairest way should be to set a limit the team posting the player would be paid, say $40M, and then let the player talk to any team, as an FA, he wants to play for.

  310. blake December 4th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN: Source said Angels were also in the mix for Phil Hughes, offering the SoCal native a “nice one-year deal.”

  311. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    You don’t have to throw 90. I was talking to Bob Horner years ago about getting in the batting cage while Phil Niekro tossed some knuckleballs that I’d have a chance to hit. He told me I’d have a better chance to make contact vs a fastball pitcher.

    If you want your sons to play in the majors, no matter how tall or athletic they are, have Phil Niekro teach them the knuckleball.

  312. blake December 4th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Not Randy guys

  313. Giuseppe Franco December 4th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Howler December 4th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    What was your arm like the next day Giuseppe

    —–

    It was definitely sore but I’m a big believer in stretching, and as a result, I’ve really improved my flexibility (not only in my shoulder, but everywhere else, especially my legs.)

    So I’m convinced that flexibility really made a huge difference in both arm strength and durability.

    And believe it or not, I did it with a torn rotator cuff because I was stupid and got too aggressive with bench presses.

    The rotator cuff issue and the stiffness that came with it was the primary reason I started stretching my shoulder regularly.

  314. Yankee Trader December 4th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    New Post——>

  315. chicken_stanley December 4th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    My only Gardner post of the night – I’m a huge Gardner plan but if he is moved and significantly improves the Yankees, I’m all in

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