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Cano’s talks with Seattle reportedly fall apart

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 06, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Robinson Cano; Steve Donohue

Finally off the Connecticut rooftop and back home in Westchester, and the story of the day is already coming out of Seattle.

The Daily News reported early this morning that Robinson Cano’s negotiations with Seattle fell apart last night after Jay Z asked for more money and a longer contract. According to the report, Cano flew to Seattle with an eight-year, $200-million offer in hand, and the Mariners were believed to be willing to go nine years, $225 million. When Jay Z asked for 10 years and $252 million, the Daily News report that Mariners chairman and CEO Howard Lincoln “exploded” in anger.

Have to assume that’s a figure of speech, otherwise my friend Mark Feinsand is really burying the lede.

Having just rappelled down a building in Stamford, Brian Cashman had — predictably — very little reaction to the news.

“I just keep it basically simple,” Cashman said. “Robbie’s and his agents’ job is basically to find out what his choices are. Brodie and Jay are trying to put him in a position to make an informed decision, and it takes time, so that’s the process. Our job is to inform him of what our comfort level is, and measure it against everything else. I just kind of keep it simple. … The only thing that’s really relevant is the level we’re willing to commit to and hopefully that somehow matches up with the same interest on his end. If it doesn’t, we’re not going to have a player.”

Cashman said he talked to Jay Z and Brodie Van Wagenen — Cano’s representatives — twice yesterday. He wouldn’t go into details, but Cashman said he has the sense that Cano is ready to sign right now if he gets the right offer in the right place.

“They have numbers in their mind,” Cashman said. “And if somebody’s willing to reach that, and it’s the right locale, they’ll be ready to make a decision.”

As he always says this time of year, Cashman said he’s letting the process play out while staying constantly engaged with the key figures.

“Everybody is replaceable,” Cashman said. “That’s a team concept. Some people are harder to replace than others, no doubt about it. I don’t think anybody would have the attitude that anybody is going to make or break your future, but you certainly can invest for good reason into players who can try to make your future brighter. That’s what we’re trying to do with Robbie amongst others. If it’s not to be, it’s not to be, and we’ll continue to do business as we have and try to collect as many great players as we can.”

For whatever it’s worth, Cashman said he’s “on the 1-yard line” with more than three players. Wouldn’t say who, but we already know Jacoby Ellsbury is basically a done deal, and Kelly Johnson is expected to be announced soon. Now Jon Heyman reports that a one-year deal with Hiroki Kuroda is almost done.

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738 Responses to “Cano’s talks with Seattle reportedly fall apart”

  1. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Hmm…I wonder if this means the 9/225 is off the table…

  2. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    No one excited about Kuroda ?

    ——————-

    I’m happy he’s back. Top of the line pitching on a 1 yr deal is always great. BUT they need to take better care of him this year.

  3. JobaTipsHisCap December 6th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    yankees should lower their offer now.

  4. mick December 6th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Sounds like Costanza was at the meeting.

  5. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    so far cashman’s sitting pretty in the cano free agency.

    cano wants to be a yankee.

    it will get done.

  6. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Cano’s demands of the Mariners were the same as they were from the Yankees…..if the Mariners were shocked then that’s their fault.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    “When Jay Z asked for 10 years and $252 million, the Daily News report that Mariners chairman and CEO Howard Lincoln “exploded” in anger.”

    I don’t blame the Mariners. Jay Z is an ahole and a greedy one at that. Robby doesn’t know any better so picked an idiot for an agent. Great combination.

  8. RhapsodyInBlue December 6th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Looks to me like the trip to Seattle was a ploy to scare the Yankees into upping the ante at the last minute to retain Cano at higher costs and they didn’t blink.

    This morning team Cano has to be rethinking their strategy which seems to be to get the Yankees off of 7 years 25 M.

    I see last night as a retreat by Cano and his team to regroup.

  9. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Now I got all my questions answered. The last question is will any other teams front office and owner want to wine and dine Jay Z and his entourage after what they pulled on the Mariners?

    Well two questions. Who is the other mystery FA rumored to be close to signing with the Yankees, other than Kuroda?

    Expect to read later today that the Yankees and Cano reach an agreement!

  10. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Jay Z is an ahole and a greedy one at that.

    —————-

    Can’t the same be said about every other free agent. Do ppl think if this was Boras he wouldn’t have thrown out ridiculous demands as well.

  11. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 2m
    Source: Talks between Cano, #Mariners still alive.

    wait we lost leverage with the Yankees…..call the Mariners back !

  12. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    3 players on the 1 yd line not named Johnson or Ellsbury.

    Kuroda is 1.

    Who are the other 1 or 2 ?

    The plot thickens.

    Stay tuned. Details at 8.

    Do the Yankees have a another pre X-mas surprise ?

    I’m a happy, happy Man.

    Let the good times roll.

    ;)

  13. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    So with Kuroda the Yanks are at about 165 million…..WITHOUT any of the Arod money.

  14. Barry December 6th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Do not believe Cano comes back to New York.

  15. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 2m
    Source: Talks between Cano, #Mariners still alive.

    —————–

    You knew that report was going to come out sooner or later. But who is the source? because if it’s someone on Cano’s team it’s meaningless.

    I’ll say this, if Cano leaves the Yanks, I hope it is for Seattle. He’d do the least damage to the Yanks out there. Would hate to see him on Detroit or Texas…especially for the next few seasons.

  16. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    I’m going to wait for more news…this report could be just more propaganda. While the Mariners may not be willing to go to 10 years, I think the Mariners wouldn’t walk from the negotiations just because of the request.

  17. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Robinson.

    You really owe to yourself to get in on this party.

    ;)

  18. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Seattle’s ownership has the resources to put together a competitive team if they want to.

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Against, real agents know how to play the game in such a way that it is palatable, even though no deal may ever be reached. I think it’s an embarrassment that Robby is even with a rap artist for an agent. But Robby is a sweet kid who is easily led.

    If the Mariners CEO “exploded” in anger, let’s just say that Jay Z likely tried to play a hand he never had and sat there like king tut doing it.

  20. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Jim Duquette ?@Jim_Duquette 1h
    If I’m another team, thinking we can enter the Cano fray late – you have to question the Cano (JayZ) camp and their sincerity at this point

  21. pkyankfan69 December 6th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Hiro on a 1 year deal puts a smile on my face… They just have to limit his innings better this year… Give him a nice phantom DL stint in the middle of the season to keep him fresh… Yanks have enough back end guys to fill in for Kuroda for 2 starts or so and not kill the team.

  22. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    wfan says that ken rosenthal says that the cano-mariners talks are ongoing.

  23. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    No Wave but they may have been told they’d have a deal if they went 225 which they supposedly did.

    And then it was rejected.

    That wouldn’t make me too happy either.

    It’s called bad faith where I come from.

    And it is really, really frowned upon.

    ;)

  24. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    “Exploding in anger” is often just a negotiating ploy, in my experience.

  25. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    After they reach an agreement, Robbie can hook up with Jay Z in Anaheim and rap their new tune
    ” I want to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee.”

    Have a great day everyone. Hopefully things are falling in place.

    Until later.

  26. DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    If Cano is still physically in Seattle, then there is some substance to the talks being “alive”. Otherwise, NOPE

  27. RhapsodyInBlue December 6th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    If Cano doesn’t come back I’ll sleep like a baby.

    This is a double edged sword, I love Robbie but someone please show me how many of these recent long contracts to older ballplayers have worked out successfully.

    Look at the older players on the Yankees, Tex, CC, Jeter and even the great one Mariano injured himself doing what he has done his entire shagging balls in the outfield. Older players are a risk no two ways about it.

    The money can then be spent the next 7 years to buy other quality players to fill the out the roster.

  28. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    “No Wave but they may have been told they’d have a deal if they went 225 which they supposedly did.”

    MTU, I kind of doubt that’s the way it happened. JMO

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    And again, they can ask for what they want, but we’re not talking Miguel Cabrera here. We’re talking a kid who’s known not to bust it down the line and who sometimes takes a little too long admiring his long shot. But 10 years from now he’ll just be tearing up the field and making it worth every dime.

    Who gives out those kinds of contracts? Idiots, that’s who! The aging process will affect everyone but Robby? Come on now.

  30. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    ““Exploding in anger” is often just a negotiating ploy, in my experience”
    ============================================

    just like exploding in anger, banging the table and walking out of a hearing.

  31. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Jim Duquette ?@Jim_Duquette 1h
    If I’m another team, thinking we can enter the Cano fray late – you have to question the Cano (JayZ) camp and their sincerity at this point

    I think you have to question his sincerity about going to Seattle sure……somewhere else….maybe not.

  32. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    If Cano wants to go to Seattle let him.

    We have other irons in the fire.

    We are on the 1 yd line with 3 other players.

    Can’t wait to open the packages.

    Hope they’re good presents.

    Kuroda sure is.

    I’m forgetting about Cano for now.

    Call me when he’s made his decision.

    :)

  33. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    What does him being a rap artist have to do with anything leave rap out of it.

    Are ppl forgetting the Tex Red Sox negotiations when Boras told them we have other offers and the Red Sox walked away from the Table.

  34. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    “Who gives out those kinds of contracts?”

    Organizations with enormous amounts of money.

  35. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    If Cano is still physically in Seattle, then there is some substance to the talks being “alive”. Otherwise, NOPE”

    well chances are he’s still in Seattle….just logistically…..he didn’t get there until late last night and it’s what 7.30 in the morning there.

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    “If Cano doesn’t come back I’ll sleep like a baby.

    This is a double edged sword, I love Robbie but someone please show me how many of these recent long contracts to older ballplayers have worked out successfully.

    Look at the older players on the Yankees, Tex, CC, Jeter and even the great one Mariano injured himself doing what he has done his entire shagging balls in the outfield. Older players are a risk no two ways about it.

    The money can then be spent the next 7 years to buy other quality players to fill the out the roster”

    Geeze, I’m with you here.

    I also detest greed, so this is starting to sicken me on a totally different level.

  37. BIG AL December 6th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Robbie will soon realize, if he has not done so already, that leaving Boras was a huge mistake that could cost him $$$$.

    When an owner and GM believe they have a deal in place, and the agent does what Jay-Z did, both the agent and player lose credibility, IMO.

    I suspect other teams that might have had any interest in Cano are quickly backing away.

    Now is the time to make a slightly bigger, final offer, and let Robbie know this is it!

  38. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    If you’re the Mariners and you’re willing to go to 9/225 to get a star hitter to come then really what’s another year? It’s gonna be terrible at the end either way

  39. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Blake-

    Things have a way of spilling over into other things.

    Get my drift.

    ;)

  40. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    The shovels for Cano are out again. I personally think 200 million is too much but these are the cards the Yankees have dealt.

  41. BIG AL December 6th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    MTU -

    Good morning Mike.

  42. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    my guess is that cano flew back to LA with Jay-Z, who’s perfoming in anaheim of los angeles tonight.

    but when you have private jets sitting around waiting for you, you can get back to seattle or fairbanks pretty quickly.

  43. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    You guys realize that jay z is not Cano’s agent, right? The comments regarding Jay Z here are pretty loathsome.

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    “Organizations with enormous amounts of money.”

    Then they’re idiots too. Merloni hit it right on the head yesterday. The importance in contracts these days is NOT in terms of the dollars, it’s in terms of the length of the contract. He said no player in his 30s should be given a contract over 5 years. 6 at the most. He’s absolutely right.

    But the overwrought fans and desperate owners don’t operate on a plane of sanity.

  45. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Blake-

    That would just make a dumb offer that much dumber.

    But yeah, go right ahead.

    It’s not my money.

    :)

  46. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    I think it’s an embarrassment that Robby is even with a rap artist for an agent. But Robby is a sweet kid who is easily led.

    ———————–

    Can you please stop talking about Robbie like this? He’s an adult and you have no idea what his motivations are. Assuming he’s some idiot just following the leader is insulting and presumptuous. What gives you that impression? Because he smiles a lot??? Cano is going to get paid, which is what he hired his agents for. Shouldn’t people be THANKING HIM for dropping Boras, and not insulting him?

    And in terms of years – since you seem to continue to focus on comments that don’t exist – the idea is you front load a contract. If you give him 10 years, for example and make sure he’s only paid $5 million in each of the last two, it creates a really easy out for the team. They can buy out the last two years of the deal, in this example, using just $10 million real dollars. They do still need to deal with the AAV, but they have literally a decade to plan for that. Long term deals, if structured in a way that makes sense (see: not the back loaded Pujols or Hamilton deals) it can help the team now (lower AAV) and later (easy buy out).

  47. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    “If you’re the Mariners and you’re willing to go to 9/225 to get a star hitter to come then really what’s another year? It’s gonna be terrible at the end either way”

    Well, adding year 8 might have been very painful for them, and adding year 9 excruciating…

    It has to stop somewhere, I guess.

  48. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Jay Z is one of Cano’s agent…..he’s probably not the one doing the true negotiating I wouldn’t think. He’s trying to get his client the most money and where he wants to be…..kinda the same as every other agent. Boras would be doing the same thing…..only probably better.

  49. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Boras would have declined Seattle’s deal as well. He has already leaked this offseason that its a ‘dubious organization’ and though he does use the 1 dumb owner theory, he still tries to get his player the most money where ever the player wants to go.

  50. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I don’t think things would be going any better if Boras was still his agent. Boras would be asking 10/250 too. And he certainly wouldn’t drop his demands until after the winter meetings.

  51. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Greetings Al.

    How are you ?

    :)

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    “What does him being a rap artist have to do with anything leave rap out of it.”

    That’s not too high-level a calling. I’d put my life in the hands of someone with much higher intelligence and skills. But that’s just me.

  53. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    “Well, adding year 8 might have been very painful for them, and adding year 9 excruciating…

    It has to stop somewhere, I guess.”

    I guess….but it boils down to do you want the player or not…..10 would certainly get it done I’d think…..do you want him or not Mariners……Cano hasn’t demanded anything of you that he hasn’t demanded of the Yankees.

  54. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    3 things:

    1. You don’t lower your offer to Cano. He’s a proud guy and taking advantage of him his situation is just a crappy thing to do to a good guy. You offer him 7 years at $25/year that can vest into 9 and $225.

    2. As Hal said, you just hope he gives the Yankees a last opportunity to match any offer he’s considering signing – though if he doesn’t that’s fine too.

    3. Talks aren’t dead until he signs a contract with another team. Were the Mariners ticked? I’m sure they were, they thought they had this thing wrapped up last night. Tensions run high, people step back, calm down and sit back down and see where things are at. If 9 and $225 is still on the table then I’m sure they can work something out.

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    ” Boras would be doing the same thing…..only probably better.”

    That’s the point. You just don’t send in a boy to do a man’s work.

  56. BIG AL December 6th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    JF -

    You do realize that Jay-Z IS Cano’s agent, even if he employs others to do the daily grunt work, he’s still in charge. If not, please explain how Jay-Z was at the meeting making salary demands.

  57. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    You guys realize that jay z is not Cano’s agent, right? The comments regarding Jay Z here are pretty loathsome.

    ————————-

    They don’t.

    Boras just fleeced the Yankees for $153 million for Ellsbury but everyone on here is mocking Robbie for going with someone else lol… be thankful for the little things, people.

  58. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Blake-

    Not probably.

    ;)

  59. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    I think Boras would have had a better shot at getting Cano the deal he wants with the Yankees…..Cashman knows he can’t BS Boras…..I think they are testing Cano’s new agency right now.

  60. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    “What does him being a rap artist have to do with anything leave rap out of it.”

    That’s not too high-level a calling. I’d put my life in the hands of someone with much higher intelligence and skills. But that’s just me.
    —————–

    I’m not a fan of Jay Z but he’s much more than a rap singer. The man has built a small financial empire.

  61. raymagnetic December 6th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Maybe they should have met with Sean Carter instead. I’m thinking he’s the more reasonable of the two ;)

  62. DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    I get the feeling that Cano and Comp are attempting to Final things Prior to the Winter Meetings. They either Feel or Know Cano is “on the clock”. Cano’s flying to Seattle says a TON.

  63. BIG AL December 6th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Jay-Z must think he can use his Gansta moves to be a good agent, LMAO.

    Robbie, you made your bed, now lie in it.

  64. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Roc Nation Sports is partnered with CAA who represents Derek Jeter. Everyone feel free to call Jeter a dumb idiot for being represented by the same firm as Cano.

  65. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    “What does him being a rap artist have to do with anything leave rap out of it.”

    That’s not too high-level a calling. I’d put my life in the hands of someone with much higher intelligence and skills. But that’s just me.

    ———————–

    Would you put your ‘life’ in the hands of one of the largest most successful agencies in the world? One that has represented Derek Jeter, Sidney Crosby, Payton Manning, Christiano Ronaldo and David Beckham….? Cause that’s who Robbie is working with, but everyone keep ignoring reality and focus on Jay Z. That’s what he wants!!!

  66. shaman1993 December 6th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Rosenthal reporting, via Twitter, that talks are still ongoing, as of three mins ago

  67. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    “But the overwrought fans and desperate owners don’t operate on a plane of sanity.”

    I can’t speak for the fans, but many owners these days have staggeringly obscene amounts of money. For them, $225M is basically a flea on the tail of a dog. How much they are willing to give is more a game than anything else.

    That’s the kind of world we live in now, sad to say, and it’s the kind of world the Yanks say they want to compete in with the “goal” of staying under the cap.

    Ain’t gonna happen.

  68. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    CAA also represents YANKEE STADIUM, btw.

  69. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    And as Jerkface said, Jay Z is not the primary agent in this…I’m sure he’s advising Cano strongly.

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    “What gives you that impression?”

    I have both eyes and ears and am not mesmerized by a player to the point that I don’t pay attention to everything about him and everything surrounding him.

  71. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    coming very very close to saying that rap artists are idiots.

    i dont like rap music, but everyone who knows jay-z is impressed by him. i dont see why being a rap artist means he’s an idiot.

  72. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    That’s not too high-level a calling. I’d put my life in the hands of someone with much higher intelligence and skills. But that’s just me.

    ——————-

    So now he’s dumb. I was wondering how long it would take to get here but here we are.

  73. shaman1993 December 6th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Heyman now saying the same thing

  74. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    He said no player in his 30s should be given a contract over 5 years. 6 at the most. He’s absolutely right.

    But the overwrought fans and desperate owners don’t operate on a plane of sanity.

    ———————

    Like the Yankees. Who just signed a 30 year old to a 7 year deal.

    Keep being desperate, Yankees!!

  75. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Shame-

    When it comes to baseball IMO Boras is the very best.

    He’s proven it over and over again.

    Makes very few mistakes.

    ;)

  76. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    I suspect Jay Z has major smarts.

  77. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    years ago alot of people thought steve martin was a dope smoking comedian who plucked the banjo as part of his comedy act.

    turns out to be an avid art collector and award winning instrumentalist was hiding behing the ‘getting small’ jokes.

    dont judge a book by the method he uses to become a multi-millionaire.

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    “That’s the kind of world we live in now, sad to say, and it’s the kind of world the Yanks say they want to compete in with the “goal” of staying under the cap.”

    This has nothing to do with staying under the cap. It has to do with intelligent decision making. I’m just happy that some of the people on this forum are nowhere near the negotiating table. I am praying that the Yankees have been listening to the droning of their fans, especially the ones on this forum, and are NOT going to set themselves up with ridiculous contracts that see the players tying up positions while they languish on the DL or just about hit the ball.

    If not, then they are as crazy as self-interested fans who really only care about the here and now and are willing to sacrifice the good of the team so they can sleep at night. And if the Yankees go there, they deserve everything they get, and so do those fans.

  79. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Jeter or Mariano should call Cano and talk some sense into him. He is going to regret leaving Boras. It seems like every last dollar is important to him so maybe he would play in Alaska if they offered over $200m.

  80. GregD December 6th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Is there a mystery free agent????

  81. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    “What gives you that impression?”

    I have both eyes and ears and am not mesmerized by a player to the point that I don’t pay attention to everything about him and everything surrounding him.

    —————-

    Can you explain why it is a bad thing that Robbie picked Jay’s new organization (one that is attached to the most reputable agents in the business) over Boras if the Yankees might actually benefit from that switch….??

  82. bruceb December 6th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    No one excited about Kuroda ?

    ——————-

    I’m happy he’s back. Top of the line pitching on a 1 yr deal is always great. BUT they need to take better care of him this year.

    Not really. Can’t get too excited about a 39-year-old pitcher who went 11-13 last year. Yes, we know he was overworked in the first half of the season. Yes, we know he’s a much better pitcher than his 2013 stats. But there has to be a chance that his second-half drop-off wasn’t all down to fatigue. Think our rotation will be OK if Pineda can be a part of it (and that’s a big if); otherwise I have concerns.

  83. BIG AL December 6th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    MTU -

    We’re about to get that crazy storm you just had. It’ll be 77 today, and a high in the 30′s tomorrow, quite a change here for the next 2-3 days.

    I’m hanging in.

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “I suspect Jay Z has major smarts.”

    I don’t. I suspect the dumbing down of America has helped some of these people to make their millions.

    It goes a long way when economists say that this generation will be the first that won’t earn more than their parents. God help this country.

  85. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Yes, we’ve reached the veiled racist shots at Jay Z portion of our chat today….hopefully we’ll move on quickly.

  86. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Shame-

    When it comes to baseball IMO Boras is the very best.

    He’s proven it over and over again.

    Makes very few mistakes.

    ;)

    ——————-

    Right.. and he’s also considered kind of an asshole, no?

    Maybe that kinda stuff actually does matter to some people… like people that need to work with him?

    Again, shouldn’t we be happy Cano moved on from Boras?

  87. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Whatever happens.

    Come what may.

    I wish Cano well.

    And all the best.

    I have loved watching him play for us.

    He has provide me w many, many memorable moments.

    If he decides to move on I’ll miss him.

    ;)

  88. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    So, anyway – assuming Cano and Seattle work something out – how about trying to swing a deal for Aaron Hill of the D’Backs?

  89. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    ” It has to do with intelligent decision making.”

    I don’t know…if giving Ellsbury 153/7 was intelligent, I’m not sure not giving Cano 8/200 or even a little more is intelligent…hard to say without knowing the Yankee financial position and where the market is on players like Cano…a lot of money in itself is neither here nor there…we don’t know enough to take a dogmatic position. JMO

  90. oak2455 December 6th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    wallace matthews ?@ESPNNYYankees 3m
    Cano to Scott Boras: “Hey, man, I was only kidding . . . .”
    Expand

    ha ha ha

  91. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    What does this have to do with Jay Z? They made the same demands to the Yankees last week……seems like this is about Seattle making an offer and then getting upset that Cano didn’t jump at it.

  92. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 2m
    Kuroda 1-yr, $16M deal with #Yankees was finalized last nite with same bonus package as ’13: $250G for 190/210IP plus intepreter

  93. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    It goes a long way when economists say that this generation will be the first that won’t earn more than their parents.

    I’d question the smarts of anyone who thinks this has to do with rap music and not say… the increased wealth divide brought on by certain political factions, increased cause of schooling leading to greater debt, increased costs of healthcare, and growing antipathy towards a clearly broken system.

    Like if people here think rap musicians are stupid, then they must agree that all musicians are stupid.

  94. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:40 am
    Yes, we’ve reached the veiled racist shots at Jay Z portion of our chat today….hopefully we’ll move on quickly.

    ——————-

    Yea it didn’t take long. TBH though I think part of the fan base always felt this way about Jay-z but the negotiations made the emotion come to the surface

  95. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    You guys are taking pot shots at Cano for not signing a huge deal with the M’s.. just think about that.

    SMH.

  96. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Shame-

    I don’t think so.

    And I think you misunderstand the good working relationship the Yankees have with him.

    ;)

  97. BIG AL December 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Back later, Y’all have a good day!

  98. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    ” It has to do with intelligent decision making.”

    I don’t know…if giving Ellsbury 153/7 was intelligent, I’m not sure not giving Cano 8/200 or even a little more is intelligent…hard to say without knowing the Yankee financial position and where the market is on players like Cano…a lot of money in itself is neither here nor there…we don’t know enough to take a dogmatic position. JMO
    ———————–

    Wave,

    My thought is that the Yankees may not have believed that even 8 & 200 gets the deal done for Cano. If that’s the case then whatever contract they gave Ellsbury (or anyone else) is irrelevant.

  99. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    “It goes a long way when economists say that this generation will be the first that won’t earn more than their parents. ”

    It’s not the young generation’s fault, it’s the fault of their parents and grandparents.

    And, I’m pretty sure JayZ is making more than his parents. Certainly more than my parents.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    MTU – ditto.

    I have no emotional investment in any one player. I’m fine with whatever way it goes. If the Yankees give him more than 7 years, I won’t root for him any less. I’ll just think they’re crazy. But whatever. It’s going to play out however it does, with absolutely no help or input from me.

    So I think I’ll just pay attention to Kuroda right now!

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  101. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 2m
    Kuroda 1-yr, $16M deal with #Yankees was finalized last nite with same bonus package as ’13: $250G for 190/210IP plus intepreter

    ————–

    Phew!! Glad that’s over.. blake, have you done your homework and come up with any contingency plans for the rotation?

  102. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Chip-

    I don’t disagree.

  103. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Also this:

    Media/Fans – Cano would be STUPID to sign with the Mariners, LOL JAY Z , LOL SO DUMB

    Mariners (who are constantly spurned by Scott Boras) : Jay Z spurned us!!

    Media/Fans – WOW CANO HOW STUPID ARE YOU

    Can’t win.

  104. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    What does this have to do with Jay Z? They made the same demands to the Yankees last week……seems like this is about Seattle making an offer and then getting upset that Cano didn’t jump at it.
    ——————–

    I think Seattle got upset because when they sent the jet for him they thought they had wrapped it up. If Cano’s people were going to up the offer, that could have been done over the phone.

  105. DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    When you march the Head Honcho into the room, the negotiating is supposed to be Done. The Honch extends his hand, Cano kisses the ring, and both sign on the dotted line. Jay Z got Jiggy.

  106. AAA December 6th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    No one excited about Kuroda ?

    ==========================

    Slightly concerned that he’s running out of gas. He’s getting on in years and he just got wrecked over the last month and a half of last season.

    He’s been their best starter the past two seasons though, so I support the signing. Just worried he may be on his last legs.

  107. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    YAY! WELCOME BACK HIROKI!

    and we thought cashman spent last night checking his rappeling equipment.

    GO GET MORE CASHMAN!

  108. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Robinson Cano’s negotiations with Seattle fell apart last night after Jay Z asked for more money and a longer contract. According to the report, Cano flew to Seattle with an eight-year, $200-million offer in hand, and the Mariners were believed to be willing to go nine years, $225 million. When Jay Z asked for 10 years and $252 million, the Daily News report that Mariners chairman and CEO Howard Lincoln “exploded” in anger.
    ——————————————
    would the NYY even think about doing this…..he will be sorry he didn’t take the Sea deal if it were a true offer

  109. raymagnetic December 6th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Some people just hate rap music and think all rappers are stupid. A lot of other musicians don’t even respect rappers as musicians.

    May or may not be a race thing as the highest grossing rappers aren’t even black.

  110. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    “Phew!! Glad that’s over.. blake, have you done your homework and come up with any contingency plans for the rotation?”

    well they have 3 spots locked down now……they should be all in on Tanaka if 189 is over and they they should also be looking at Feldman and trade options.

    It’s really tough to say without knowing their true intentions regarding the budget……but they are at 165 now without Arods money so it’s tough to see how they will stay under even if he’s suspended the whole season.

  111. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Scott Boras literally uses the Mariners all the time to up his offers and leaked that they were a ‘dubious organization’ this very offseason. Lets not pretend like CAA wanting to negotiate is some fatal misstep.

  112. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    I have the contingency plans for the Rotation Shame.

    Not Blake.

    He works the offensive side of the street.

    And runs the still.

    ;)

  113. David in Cal December 6th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Jay Z can just go back to Seattle and accept the offer he just turned down. If Seattle was willing to go to $220 million or more, then I think Cano will wind up there. Howard Lincoln isn’t going to change his mind about what Cano is worth to his team just because Jay Z was obnoxious. Exploding in anger is a good negotiating ploy to indicate that he won’t up his offer.

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    “And, I’m pretty sure JayZ is making more than his parents. Certainly more than my parents.”

    I don’t think they were talking about each and every person, Wave. In fact, I’m certain they weren’t. That’s kind of not how economists gather their information.

    And you’re right it’s the fault of their parents. And technology. Lazy, texting, Facebooking, self indulgent generation. Thank God for the parents who refuse to play into it and still demand excellence and respect from their kids. Kids with cellphones at the age of 7. Unbelievable.

  115. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Here comes the JayZ spin…
    ——-

    @jcrasnick

    Source familiar with Cano negotiations said reports of breakdown in talks with #mariners are “inaccurate.”

  116. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Glad to see Kuroda on board. Would somebody with some time mind updating the Yankee payroll?

  117. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick 1m
    Source familiar with Cano negotiations said reports of breakdown in talks with #mariners are “inaccurate.”

    the baseball reporting the last couple of years has been a joke…..so many conflicting reports any time stuff like this happens.

  118. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    nine years, $225 million. When Jay Z asked for 10 years and $252 million,………….
    ————————
    very strange move by Cano and his agent

  119. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 1m
    mariners are close to a deal with Robinson Cano

  120. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    @JonHeymanCBS

    mariners are close to a deal with Robinson Cano

  121. oak2455 December 6th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 1m
    mariners are close to a deal with Robinson Cano

  122. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    “I don’t think they were talking about each and every person, Wave. In fact, I’m certain they weren’t. That’s kind of not how economists gather their information.”

    Sorry, I misunderstood and thought you were using the quote to cast aspersions at Jay Z. Never mind then.

  123. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Oh yea facebook is the reason that most people exit college without being able to find a job these days. Good grief.

  124. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Like i said earlier, if he’s going to go anywhere, I’m glad it’s Seattle.

    But in 2 years Cano will be just like Arod was when he was in TX, he’ll be offering to give up money to get out of there.

  125. oak2455 December 6th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    bye Robbie you’ll be lost in Seattle

  126. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Cano is really going to regret this….

  127. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    raymagnetic December 6th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Some people just hate rap music and think all rappers are stupid. A lot of other musicians don’t even respect rappers as musicians.

    May or may not be a race thing as the highest grossing rappers aren’t even black.

    —————–

    Um… what?

    The highest grossing rappers are black, aside from one.

    And I highly doubt there are other real musicians out there that don’t respect rap artists.

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    “Some people just hate rap music and think all rappers are stupid. A lot of other musicians don’t even respect rappers as musicians.

    May or may not be a race thing as the highest grossing rappers aren’t even black.”

    Thanks. Definitely not a race thing.

  129. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    raymagnetic December 6th, 2013 at 10:47 am
    Some people just hate rap music and think all rappers are stupid. A lot of other musicians don’t even respect rappers as musicians.

    May or may not be a race thing as the highest grossing rappers aren’t even black.

    ————————

    Apart of it is a race issue

  130. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    “And you’re right it’s the fault of their parents. And technology. Lazy, texting, Facebooking, self indulgent generation.”

    ———————————————————————-
    you left out ‘blog-commenting’

  131. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    CC
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Tanaka/Bailey/Anderson
    Pineda/Nuno/Phelps/Banuelos/J-Ram

    Sweeeeeeet.

    I’m happy.

    :)

  132. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    it’s not like people have never called Boras greedy before.

  133. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I’m going to be sick not a good move Robbie

  134. DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Like I said, if Cano is still physically in Seattle, everything remains in play.

  135. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    @JonHeymanCBS

    mariners are close to a deal with Robinson Cano

    ———————

    *sigh*

    I can’t do this again all day… someone take the band aid approach already!

  136. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Now harden that BP.

    ;)

  137. Bret The Hitman December 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Mariners

    :lol:

  138. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    “you left out ‘blog-commenting’”

    LOL, comment of the day!

  139. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    wow! say it aint so

  140. raymagnetic December 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Heyman is Boras’ shill. Wait and see what happens.

  141. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    We are going to have soooooome Team !

    The Yankees are back !

    ;)

  142. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    @OldHossRadbourn 42s

    Oh no, it seems scribes once again mistook negotiation for a black guy being uppity.

  143. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Here’s the thing, let’s say Cano gets 10 years/252 mil from Seattle. Is that a win for the Jay Z agency team? I guess it would attract some players. But others have left Boras in the past because he pushes for every last dollar……even if it means leaving the team they want to pay for.

    I’m guessing most of the press will be positive. But I’m not so sure it really is.

  144. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    It better be for $220m plus…

  145. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 52s
    mariners are close to a Cano deal. will be at least $225M. http://cbsprt.co/1kjrJTE

  146. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    The Yankees have not only opened the up their wallets they opened up a can of whoopa*s fro next season.

    I’m loving watching it come together.

    ;)

  147. oak2455 December 6th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    so Rap is music…when speaking of killing and those Hoes is music , I’ll stop listening to the Beatles

  148. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    “Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 1m
    mariners are close to a deal with Robinson Cano”

    If Robby ends up in Seattle I don’t blame him. He has the right to take whatever money he wants. I could feel resentment if it were anyone else, but I definitely see him as a babe in arms. I said from the start that the problem wouldn’t be Robby, it would be those advising him. I don’t doubt for a minute that left to his own devices, NY would have been his choice, and probably at a hometown discount. JMO

  149. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 1m
    mariners are close to a deal with Robinson Cano
    ———————-

    Again, you hope he puts in a final call to Cashman – but at these numbers then I don’t mind the Yankees walking away.

    What will be interesting to me is the spin after the contract.
    If he had signed with the Yankees for this number it would have predictably been: Don’t you learn anything from the Alex Rodriguez contract? These deals never work out? How long until the Yankees regret this deal?

    Mariners doing it I think the spin will be more: This puts Seattle back on the map. It’s an overpay but he’s great.

    things along those lines.

  150. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Cashman get on the phone with Boras..Beltran or Choo plus Infante on deck.

  151. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    hope the Yanks plan B is good

  152. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    classical musicians didnt think much of jazz musicians, jazz musicians didnt like pop musicians, pop musicians didn’t like rock musicians, rock musicians hated disco musicians, disco musicians thought little of country musicians, country musicians didnt like rappers…whats next…

  153. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    @JonHeymanCBS

    mariners are close to a Cano deal. will be at least $225M.

  154. oak2455 December 6th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Lets see who’s on the one Yard Line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  155. Patrick December 6th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Why is anybody attacking Cano and/or Jay-Z? Cano is an amazing player and has been a great Yankee. Top 10 player in baseball, hard worker, never a problem on or off the field, never gets hurt, plays every single game .. really what more could you ask for? Even if he leaves now he would have had a fantastic Yankee career that you should all be thankful for. This is his big pay day, it’s a once in a lifetime shot. It should bother nobody that he is trying to get every dollar he can.

    And Jay-Z, dude grew up in a housing project and is now worth half a billion dollars. And some people are saying he’s unintelligent? Regardless of whether or not you like rap music he’s one of the great artists of our time AND he’s a fantastic business man. Yes, Boras is probably a better agent but hiring Jay-z to work for you is not exactly a bad decision given his past success.

  156. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Phelps and JR Murphy to Arizona for Aaron Hill?

    Thoughts?

  157. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Choo is a must if they lose Cano….that or a Kemp trade

  158. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Tim Brown ?@TBrownYahoo 1m
    Jacoby Ellsbury has passed his physical. He’s a Yankee

  159. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    it’s not like people have never called Boras greedy before.

    ————-

    It’s funny, though, they don’t call him a ‘thug,’ ‘stupid,’ or a ‘gangsta’ very often…

    I really don’t get the sudden pro-Boras faction of this blog. I hope ya’ll enjoy that when we sign Choo to a $180 million deal.

  160. JobaTipsHisCap December 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    wow, cano deal.

  161. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Patrick,

    I don’t think anyone’s attacking Cano and I think the Jay Z stuff is pure ignorance and racism.

  162. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    signing McCann and Ellsbury and losing Cano is dumb and counterproductive if you don’t replace Cano’s production.

  163. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    OK.

    It’s time for Choo and Infante.

    ;)

  164. RadioKev December 6th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Hate signing Ellsbury and not Cano.

    The biggest free agent on the market is panicking before the winter meetings. What a choke job by Jay-Z.

  165. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    “It’s funny, though, they don’t call him a ‘thug,’ ‘stupid,’ or a ‘gangsta’ very often…”

    my point…..not sure how Boras is any different than Jay Z is.,

  166. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Cashman said that he spoke to Cano’s agent 2 times yesterday and they were ready to move if they got the right deal. So obviously the Yanks knew if they didn’t up the offer he was gone.

  167. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    signing McCann and Ellsbury and losing Cano is dumb and counterproductive if you don’t replace Cano’s production.
    —————–

    Yes, but if you never believed you could keep Cano then signing McCann and Ellsbury is a strong proactive move to try and mitigate that loss.

  168. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    So now the Mariners have Montero and Cano..The yanks are left with a broken down Pineda and ichiro…great.

  169. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    “classical musicians didnt think much of jazz musicians, jazz musicians didnt like pop musicians, pop musicians didn’t like rock musicians, rock musicians hated disco musicians, disco musicians thought little of country musicians, country musicians didnt like rappers…whats next…”

    Absolutely. It’s kind of silly to think that all genres think the world of each other!

  170. Bret The Hitman December 6th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    180 for Choo :lol:

  171. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    I don’t think anyone is attacking Cano on here. But a lot of us think it’s a bad move baseball wise. It could even cost him the HOF because his numbers will most likely drop quicker than they would have if he stayed in a more hitter friendly park.

    But it’s certainly his right to go after the biggest offer if that’s what’s important to him.

  172. Patrick December 6th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    I don’t think anyone’s attacking Cano and I think the Jay Z stuff is pure ignorance and racism.

    Lots of posters on here over the last week or two have been ripping Cano. Or undercutting Cano’s abilities so they feel better about losing himl.

  173. Kelvin December 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    10 years, $240 Million. Yeah right.

  174. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    i have to say i still think cano is coming back, but should the yankees choose not to go to 9 years or $225M, i just can’t condemn them for that. its probably the right choice.

    i want robbie back but not at ‘any price’ and that’s getting pretty close to ‘any price’

  175. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    WOW
    ———–
    @JeffPassan

    Cano deal is for 10 years and $240 million, according to @Enrique_Rojas1.

  176. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Enrique Rojas/ESPN ?@Enrique_Rojas1 1m
    #Mariners and Cano agree. $240 million/10 years. Physical next monday in Seattle

    yea Yanks couldn’t go there……love Cano but you can’t go there.

  177. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Patrick December 6th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Why is anybody attacking Cano and/or Jay-Z? Cano is an amazing player and has been a great Yankee. Top 10 player in baseball, hard worker, never a problem on or off the field, never gets hurt, plays every single game .. really what more could you ask for? Even if he leaves now he would have had a fantastic Yankee career that you should all be thankful for. This is his big pay day, it’s a once in a lifetime shot. It should bother nobody that he is trying to get every dollar he can.

    And Jay-Z, dude grew up in a housing project and is now worth half a billion dollars. And some people are saying he’s unintelligent? Regardless of whether or not you like rap music he’s one of the great artists of our time AND he’s a fantastic business man. Yes, Boras is probably a better agent but hiring Jay-z to work for you is not exactly a bad decision given his past success.

    ————————

    Everyone on here is taking crazy pills or something.. it’s been all swipes at both Cano and Jay Z lol, utterly ridiculous.

  178. raymagnetic December 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Shame,

    Beastie Boys, Kid Rock, Vanilla Ice, Eminem all white guys last I checked.

    That’s just off the top of my head.

    AAO,

    I’m sure part of it is race but many people just hate rappers.

  179. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Yes, but if you never believed you could keep Cano then signing McCann and Ellsbury is a strong proactive move to try and mitigate that loss.

    Eh they have lost or will lose more than Cano. McCann/Ellsbury treads water. The goal is to be better than last years team, not match them.

  180. RadioKev December 6th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Yankees over valued Ellsbury and under valued Cano. Perplexing.

    But the $300m thing was ridiculous, and the Cano/Jay-Z camp boxed themselves into a corner. Before the winter meetings! You can absolutely bet Boras would not have done that.

  181. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    If true that is absolutely insane…

  182. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Boras likely would have advised his client not to play in Seattle and would have tried to play the Yankees like a fiddle. He would have gotten this down to zero hour, going back and forth constantly. As much as I detested him as an agent, the guy was well schooled in how to do it.

  183. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am
    Enrique Rojas/ESPN ?@Enrique_Rojas1 1m
    #Mariners and Cano agree. $240 million/10 years. Physical next monday in Seattle

    yea Yanks couldn’t go there……love Cano but you can’t go there.

    —————-

    Damn he;s gone big mistake by Cano. SMFH

  184. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    I don’t think the Yanks are going to get Choo. If the Sox and Tigers are really after him I don’t think the Yanks will get into a bidding war. But, obviously, you never know.

  185. raymagnetic December 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    So Cano is gone??? Smh

  186. Kelvin December 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    I love Cano tons, but man $240 Million is insane. No way I go 10 years.

  187. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    The most I would have offered Cano was 8/$200m. The Yanks weren’t touching that…

  188. Patrick December 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    If this is true that Cano is leaving for 10 years 240 it really sucks. I don’t think the Yankees should match that contract but it still REALLY sucks

  189. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Cano got the 10/240 he wanted. Now he has to live with the consequences. I have to say it, thank goodness the Yanks didn’t give him that deal.

  190. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Enrique Rojas/ESPN ?@Enrique_Rojas1 1m
    #Mariners and Cano agree. $240 million/10 years. Physical next monday in Seattle

    yea Yanks couldn’t go there……love Cano but you can’t go there.

    ——————-

    The problem is we don’t know how far they would have had to go or if they would have done it. Everything we know right now says the Yankees never moved past $168 and that is a travesty if it ends up being true. They needed to go to $200, it was always going to be that way to keep him.

  191. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    “it’s been all swipes at both Cano and Jay Z lol, utterly ridiculous.”

    I haven’t seen many “swipes” at Cano, unless you call people making factual statements about his playing “swipes”. I think Jay Z is a boob as an agent. So shoot me.

    The only thing utterly ridiculous around here will be the number of years Robby gets in his contract.

  192. Bret The Hitman December 6th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    So we will have Ellsbury through age 37.

    Seattle will have Cano through age 41.

    That’s 4 years of dead money.

  193. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:01 am

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    If this is true that Cano is leaving for 10 years 240 it really sucks. I don’t think the Yankees should match that contract but it still REALLY sucks
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  195. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    The three on the one yard line are Ellsbury, Johnson and Kuroda. Nothing new here.

    I am sure Jay Z is very smart, but that doesn’t mean he knows baseball negotiations. That said, I bet the Mariners come up from $225 to somewhere between Cano’s last number. For that kind of money Cano will learn to love Seattle.

  196. DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2013 at 11:02 am

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  197. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Next should be Beltran and Infante….I wouldn’t go after Choo. The Yanks don’t need 2 outfielders signed to 7 year deals.

  198. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    “Money, it’s a gas
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    Money get back
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  199. RadioKev December 6th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    240/10 is pretty crazy. Have fun with that, Seattle.

  200. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    The only thing utterly ridiculous around here will be the number of years Robby gets in his contract.

    So his agent is a boob, that just landed a ‘ridiculous’ contract. Wow what a boob!

    *goes back to praising Scott Boras’ ellsbury deals*

  201. Kelvin December 6th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Honestly all indications are that Yankees were at 7, $175M. They would do an option for 8th, nearly certain. But no way I go a 9th and 10th season.

  202. Patrick December 6th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    I think Jay Z is a boob as an agent. So shoot me.

    He just got his first client the third biggest contract of all time. What a boob

  203. Tackelberry December 6th, 2013 at 11:03 am

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  204. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Good luck to Robby in Seattle. He listened to the wrong people. I do think he is going to regret it, but I truly hope he’s happy there. He’s a good kid.

    Onward and upward Yankees.

  205. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    congratulations to robbie cano, that is a mountain of money and he deserves it (based on the fact that someone offered it to him)

    great job of negotiating by canos team.

    sorry to see him go, but 10/$240 just waaaaay too much money, too many years, imo.

    good luck to robbie except against us.

    now go get granderson, the mets are out on him.

  206. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Didn’t see the report. I said yesterday he was gone. Jay Z wants to make a bit show. He has. I never doubted Cano would do whatever he recommends.

    See ya.

    Now for the winter meetings.

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    Yankees Now have roughly $20 Mill to use in restocking this team. This $$$, right before the Winter Meetings, is good. Cano beat the clock.

  208. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    “He just got his first client the third biggest contract of all time. What a boob”

    When money’s your god, Patrick, this is a huge coup. I agree.

  209. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    One thing I hope this contract makes clear:

    Signing Jacoby Ellsbury has nothing to do with losing Robinson Cano.

    If the Mariners were willing to go that high two weeks ago then it wouldn’t have mattered if the Yankees had signed Ellsbury or not. Cano wasn’t going to be a Yankee.

  210. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    So the Mariners gave him $70m more than the Yankees offer…That is crazy considering they still need 4 more bats.

  211. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    That might be the worst deal ever given out in MLB. It’s certainly top 3.

  212. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Pink Floyd.

    The original Rap stars.

    Among other things.

    Ah. They were really just another brick in the wall though really.

    ;)

  213. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    10/240 is actually a cheaper AAV than we had set up…

  214. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 11:06 am

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  215. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    The best thing is that it happened before the winter meetings and good players are still on the board. If this happened one week later the Yanks would be really screwed. Now it’s time for Cashman to get busy on the phone.

  216. Chambliss December 6th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    If Seattle gives Cano $240M for 10 years, I take back what I said about Jay-Z. That is a monster deal.

    Can Soriano still play second?

  217. PacoDooley December 6th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Bad contract for the Mariners and a bad situation for Cano, but I would rather have Cano on a bad contract than Ellsbury on a bad contract. Personally, I think that the Ellsbury overpay is a worse mistake than the Cano overpay.

    I think that Cano will not fall apart the way Pujols did, but the deal will look bad within five years.

  218. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “Didn’t see the report. I said yesterday he was gone. Jay Z wants to make a bit show. He has. I never doubted Cano would do whatever he recommends.

    See ya.

    Now for the winter meetings.”

    You did austin. Once again, your judgment has been right on the money. I wonder if Jay Z now retires his NY baseball cap for a Mariners cap. And hey, will he continue to be postseason entertainment singing New York?

    Gotta love his value $$$$$$$$$$$$$ystem. After all, a man is only as good as his word, correct?

    :)

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    SMFH. Yankees had better have a plan. And it better include an in prime elite player, not a bunch of window dressing. Bad faith, bad negotiating, avoidable.

  220. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    It is wrong to criticize the Yankees for this. No one is turning down $40M additional dollars. He would be gone even if they had gone to $200M, I believe.

    People, turn the page. Let’s go spend his money on 2-3 players. I don’t see Choo as one of them. Maybe Beltran, but it was said he was far down the road with another team.

  221. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    New one ——->

  222. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 11:07 am

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    back to work Yankees!

  223. Doreen December 6th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Boras is a great baseball agent, but CAA (and now with Roc Nation) is about a little bit more for the players, as I understand it. The endorsement side.

    By the way, neither Jeter nor Mariano was represented by Boras.

    I think the initial gambit of 310 was a mistake. But I really don’t understand how Boras would be handling this very much differently. I think the problem is the perception of Jay-Z as some hip hop guy. Whether you like him or not, or like his music or not, he has built a successful business and he has successfully represented other artists in the music business.

    The problem is the perception, as I was saying to Shame the other day, no matter who is doing the actual negotiating. It will be seen as flash over substance because the of industry Jay-Z has been aligned with.

    I want the Yankees to get Cano. I don’t want Cano to go to Seattle. I think it suck as I’m typing this that I can see Captain Clutch’s post that Heyman says the Mariners are close to a deal with Cano. I feel like I’ve been put through the wringer on this one.

    I hate the FA process. Always have, and always will. And I hate that they’re going to lose Robby. I bet overnight the Yankees didn’t budge enough.

  224. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    YF,

    I believe it was only avoidable if the Yankees had gone to 8-9 years and well over $200M. He will be 42 when this contract expires. That is a huge mistake by the Mariners.

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