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Heading to Connecticut (with Cano in Seattle)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 06, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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It’s that time of year. It’s cold outside, every coffee shop I walk into is playing Christmas music — I honestly don’t mind — and Brian Cashman is about to rappel down a building in Connecticut. Brutal. I really enjoy the holiday season, but I this morning comes far too early every year.

Yes, I’m up and out the door, heading to Stamford to talk to the Yankees general manager. I realize it’s not an unthinkable hour to be awake. My dad, after all,  has honestly been up for more than an hour, and he’s probably been to the gym already. And he’s on central time. So I don’t mean to complain. It’s just that early morning rooftop events don’t fit naturally into a baseball writer’s schedule.

So why get up when Cashman just talked to a huge group of writers yesterday? Because of Robinson Cano.

Last night, Cano was said to be landing in Seattle for a meeting with Mariners, who were apparently ready to offer nine years and $225 million. You might notice, that’s the same average annual salary as a seven-year, $175-million offer, which the Yankees are said to be willing to give Cano. Maybe the longer deal is worth it, but I tend to agree in every single way with this terrific piece by Ken Rosenthal.

If Cano turns down a similar but shorter offer from the Yankees — a fairly massive offer, by the way — to sign with the Mariners, it will be a rather odd and single-minded decision. If the Yankees let the Mariners beat them by offering more years at the same AAV, that will also be a curious decision considering how well Cano fits the Yankees current and long-term needs.

Hard to predict what’s going to happen here, but it’s going to be an interesting day in Seattle. And it’s an early morning in Stamford.

Oh, and don’t forget, we’re doing a chat at noon!

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299 Responses to “Heading to Connecticut (with Cano in Seattle)”

  1. Bret The Hitman December 6th, 2013 at 6:15 am

    he Mariners have intensified their pursuit of Cano, inviting him to Seattle for direct talks Thursday and preparing to offer him a deal worth about $25 million a year for nine years ($225 million over all), according to a person who had been informed of the Mariners’ plans but who asked for anonymity because he was not permitted to speak publicly on the matter.

    If that is the case, the Yankees have indicated they will not match the offer and will instead seek other players to replace Cano, perhaps the free agents Shin-Soo Choo, Omar Infante or Stephen Drew. They could also seek a top hitter through a trade….

    “We would love to have him,” said Brian Cashman, the Yankees’ general manager. “But when you’re in free agency, just like we took Brian McCann from the Braves and any other suitor because we were willing to pay a certain amount, that can certainly happen to us in the Robbie Cano sweepstakes. That’s the way the process works.”

    If Cano left, the Yankees would have the payroll flexibility to go after a pitcher like the Japanese ace Masahiro Tanaka. They could also go after Infante, an infielder who played for the Detroit Tigers last season, or increase their bid to Carlos Beltran.

    _____________

    Plenty of great performers there in place of Cano.

  2. Doreen December 6th, 2013 at 6:34 am

    Doreen December 6th, 2013 at 6:30 am
    Good morning.

    I was a bit nervous to log on today, anxious whether I’d see something that would “ruin” my day.

    Anyhow, thinking about this respect angle, and the showing of the love and trying to figure out why other FAs get wooed and in-house FAs not so much. So I thought about what the wooing process probably entails, and much of it has to do with selling the outsider on the Yankees, getting them to meet key people and meet and/or talk to key players. A tour of the Stadium. A nice dinner.

    In-house FAs already know all these things, and aside from being taken out for a nice dinner, the rest of it isn’t necessary. They’ve seen the stadium, they know the people, they know the players, both current and past.

    And I recall that at the beginning of the off-season, Cashman spoke to Cano and told him if he stayed with the Yankees, he’d have the opportunity to have what Zmo was experiencing and what Jeter will experience. A retired number and a plaque in monument park. This is not small potatoes. You do not dangle these possibilities to someone you don’t want or don’t respect.

    The second part of it is the money part. They were worlds apart, and circumstances are not the same as when they overpaid ARod without another suitor in sight. The Yankees need a lot of improvements this off-season, and I know it doesn’t seem right to offer your star what looks like a depressed contract, but they had to,let Canos people knw that they were not going to spend crazy money on one player to the detriment of trying to,put together a more complete team. Robbie Cano and “oh, no!” doesn’t get it done. It didn’t get it done last season. They need more, and they earned they can’t rely on their dumpster dives another time. That well is dry.

    I truly believe thatnthebEllsburyndesl was not made to insult or disrespect Cano. I do think that after thir meeting withnCano’s agent, that they were still not sure they could work it out. They went head and got Ellsbury and it cost what it cost. At that point, Cano had still not received any solid offers fom any other team. Technically, there has been no reason for the Yankees to significantly raise their offer. As is said here too many times to count, the Yankees should not bid against themselves.

    However, because ball players looking for their next contract are big on money = Respect, my feeling is in light of what it ended up taking to sign Ellsbury, the Yankees should have at least made a minimal increase in their offer to Cano. perhaps not right up to 200, but maybe 185, 190?

    Because I don’t think the Yankees disrespected Cano. And I don’t think they used money earmarked for Cano to pay for Ellsbury. But I do think that once they set a money value on what Ellsbury offered them, they needed to adjust the dollar value on what Cano brings to the table, even though at the time they would, in reality, still,have been bidding against themselves.

    That’s really what this is about from the Yankees’ side. Not wanting to raise their offer absent any other offers at all. Business. Cano is the best free agent on the market. And I hope thevYankees have reached out with a better offer now that Seattle has made their move, and I hope it’s not too late.

    To your point, Bret, you’re right. Ultimately a team can survive the loss of one player. But the Yankees don’t have a lot to fall back in here. And it would be ever so much easier to have a known quantity. All baseball contracts are crazy.

  3. Doreen December 6th, 2013 at 6:38 am

    If the AAV is the same, for Cano (and his agent) this is about the all-powerful magic 200 threshhold. 9 or 10 years is a very long time if you end up not liking where you are. Seattle is a nice city with nice suburbs. But it’s not NY…

  4. Doreen December 6th, 2013 at 6:50 am

    Great article by Rosenthal BTW. Hits all the marks.

  5. pat December 6th, 2013 at 6:56 am

    AnthonyMcCarron
    Cashman on Cano’s dad saying Yanks don’t want Robbie: “Depends on your definition of want”

    He couldn’t just say “Of course we want him” even if he followed it with a “but” about the money instead of playing word games?

  6. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 6:59 am

    Good morning Doreen and Bret

    Good posts. I actually thought the contract was 10/225, in which case most everyone on the blog felt the Yankees should go to 200M over 8 years, whether it was 8 guaranteed or 7 with a vesting option for the extra year.

    Jay Z is in Anaheim tonight to perform, and is in southern California I believe until Wednesday, then off to Vegas. I personally believe, that if a contract is not wrapped up today by the Mariners, that Cano’s advising team will wait until the meetings start in Orlando to schmooze the GM’s and owners, and try and get some more interest.

  7. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 7:00 am

    Pat
    Good morning

  8. pat December 6th, 2013 at 7:10 am

    AndrewMarchand
    If Yanks wanted to turn back to Beltran, it doesn’t look good. Told he is “down the road” with another club. Source didn’t know which team

  9. pat December 6th, 2013 at 7:11 am

    Good morning YT.

  10. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 7:13 am

    I get the feeling Cano is agreeing on a deal today with Seattle. He isn’t flying out there to say no thanks for your huge offer.

    It would be hard to see our best player leave. But, I hope they truly spend elsewhere. I believe they will do Beltran and Infante. The three year, $48M Beltran offer by the Royals has been refuted.

    Choo will be heavily sought after by the Rangers, Tigers and maybe others. He would be a tough sign.

  11. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 7:13 am

    Well, Marchand seems to disagree with me.

  12. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 7:15 am

    The Yankees don’t want to pay 38-40 year olds huge money in the post-steroid era. I don’t blame them.

  13. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:16 am

    “Cano, the Mariners and Yankees. Dumb, dumber, dumbest.

    Rank ’em however you want.”

    Great line by Rosenthal.

    ;)

  14. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:18 am

    Doreen-

    Still writing those book-like posts I see.

    Old habits die hard don’t they ?

    :)

  15. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 7:19 am

    The Yankees need Cano. Infante had a nice year, but in reality he is a super utility player, that plays “adequate” defense in multiple positions. A late inning defensive infield, with the Yankees leading by one, of Tex, Cano and Ryan, and an OF of Gardner, Ellsbury and Ichiro would be the best in the business.

  16. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:20 am

    “Dewey defeats Truman”.

    “Cano goes to Seattle.”

    Not ?

    :)

  17. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 7:20 am

    I was listening to a physicist explain something once and he referred to human beings as being “ahistorical.” Made me think of something today. You ask someone to wait an hour for their car to be ready and they’ll think its an eternity. But in 8 or 9 years from now, a year or two will seem like a blink of the eye. And since you’ve already made $175 million, that extra $50 million or so won’t change a thing in your life, or your children’s or your grand-children’s.

    Rosenthal’s article is just silly. But then he’s just human.

  18. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:22 am

    YT-

    If you want 2b D you lose little to nothing w Phillips.

    He’s slick.

    ;)

  19. Doreen December 6th, 2013 at 7:22 am

    MTU

    At least they’re not ALL like that anymore. ;)

  20. GregD December 6th, 2013 at 7:22 am

    It looks like we should at least be prepared to lose Cano………

  21. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:23 am

    I don’t think Rosenthal’s article is silly at all.

    I think it makes a ton of sense.

  22. GregD December 6th, 2013 at 7:24 am

    If we do lose Cano……this blog will get very interesting…..if we sign Cano……this blog will get very interesting………

  23. GregD December 6th, 2013 at 7:25 am

    At any rate….Cano will be a very rich man………

  24. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:25 am

    Good morning Doreen.

    I actually think your posts are terrific.

    Was just funnin’ ya’.

    I think you knew that though.

    ;)

  25. GregD December 6th, 2013 at 7:25 am

    Good morning Doreen, MTU, Dan and YT

  26. upstate kate December 6th, 2013 at 7:27 am

    Good morning!
    Watching McCann’s presser yesterday has made me excited for Yankee baseball.

    Robbie is one of my favorite players and I really really want him to return. I can’t imagine him wanting to play in Seattle. Sometimes it shouldn’t be all about the money. Ask Carl Crawford how well that worked out when he signed w/ Boston.

  27. Doreen December 6th, 2013 at 7:27 am

    MTU,

    Of course. :)

  28. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 7:27 am

    Attached the 2013 MLB stats of 2nd basemen. Carpenter, Cano, and Pedroia lead the pack in WAR.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/2b

    It certainly would be nice if the Yankees had some position players ready to make an impact in the majors, if they felt they could trade for a young proven second baseman like a Jason Kipnis.

  29. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 7:28 am

    Back at you Greg. It’s 4:30 where I am. Can’t sleep, but rocking the tea with lemon.

    Guess that makes me real old.

  30. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:29 am

    Hi Kate.

    How art thou ?

    Good point on cc.

    Seems to have found another good home now.

    :)

  31. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:30 am

    Back at ya’ Greg.

    ;)

  32. pat December 6th, 2013 at 7:30 am

    The Yankees don’t want to pay 38-40 year olds huge money in the post-steroid era. I don’t blame them.

    Neither do I but the Yankees problem is the extra years can help keep the AAV lower for the luxury tax issue. If not for that, they could overpay higher $ for less years and likely be better off for it.

  33. GregD December 6th, 2013 at 7:30 am

    Dan………I had one of those mornings earlier this week………..it happens from time to time…..I just try to enjoy the solitude…….

  34. pat December 6th, 2013 at 7:31 am

    therealarieber
    Cashman said Cano visiting Seattle doesnt change Yanks approach. Always assumed he’d have other offers. Said he talked to agents last nite

  35. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 7:32 am

    Today I am glad no to have Chad’s job of watching Cashman go down the building and them hear him say nothing.

  36. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 7:36 am

    MTU

    I know you like Brandon Phillips. Look at his last years stats. What would the Reds want in return? Gardner? Robertson? If any of those two, both free agents at the end of next season, you have created more holes, and added an expensive second baseman who might be on a downhill slope.

  37. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 7:36 am

    austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 7:32 am
    “Today I am glad no to have Chad’s job of watching Cashman go down the building and them hear him say nothing.”

    Mind you, I’m not wishing that anything bad happen to anyone, but very very recent history tells us these stunts don’t always turn out to be non-events.

  38. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Just for the record.

    And so I am real clear about it.

    I would love to have Robinson Cano stay in PS.

    I have always been a supporter and have loved watching him.

    If he goes it will be a big blow. He is the best 2b in baseball right now.

    And I will miss seeing him. He definitely makes the Yankees so much better.

    So. I hope something gets worked out.

    If not we all will have to make peace w. it and move on.

    There is nothing else that can be done bit to do that.

    The show must go on. And being bitter only injures the bitter party.

    ;)

  39. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:39 am

    Just wanted to make Doreen feel better w that last post.

    ;)

  40. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:43 am

    YT-

    I mentioned Phillips in regards to his stellar D.

    He is right there w respect to Cano in that regard.

    He is not offensively. He’s good. Not great. Infante is the better hitter. Worse defender.

    No other 2b available has Cano’s unique combination of O and D.

    That’s for sure.

  41. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 7:43 am

    As someone said overnight, I principally pull for the team and not the players. If Cano leaves, the team will suffer. But, they have to move on. Let Seattle have the next Pujols contract. Add several good players for the money. It sure as heck worked in Boston when they lost perhaps their best player in Gonzalez.

  42. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 7:44 am

    I alluded to this last night. Unless Seattle is Cano’s dream job, he owes it to himself to collect this offer and let it sit for a week or so. If Seattle won’t let him do that then they really don’t want him for the right reasons.

    Cano needs to talk more to the Yanks, and that means more than just a perfunctory phone call. His agents really needs to give other potential suitors (maybe some competitive teams) time to digest this offer and perhaps jump in. This is his life and he shouldn’t make a decision just based on one visit.

  43. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 7:45 am

    The Yankees need to spend to field a competitive team next year to compete for a postseason berth. It’s not only on offense where they need to spend big.

    In fact, can you name one pitcher, currently on the 40 man roster, that you absolutely have no reservations about, and feel they will be one of the best in their roles?

  44. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 7:46 am

    @BNightengale: Cano’s last request to #Yankees: 9 years, $252 million, and $28 million vesting option.

    If the yanks gave out that deal I would not be happy. Sometimes you just have to move on.

  45. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    I think the Yankees should sweeten the pot a bit.

    If they do that and Cano still decides to move on I don’t see how anyone can complain.

    At least I wouldn’t.

    ;)

  46. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    YT,

    Thanks for that cheery pitching thought. It is amazing the few returnees we have. No lefty and no late inning guy to go with Robertson. Kelley is questionable in that role to me.

    We have lots of long relievers candidates. That’s the good news because the current starters will require them.

  47. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    Part of the Yankees philosophy in signing a free agent has been if they felt that player could handle playing in NY. Cano can, and the Yankees, who in my opinion, need to raise their budget this season to not only field a competitive team but to improve their attendance.

  48. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    YT-

    I think they are willing to exceed 189.

    And likely they will.

  49. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    CC
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Tanaka/Bailey
    Pineda/Nuno/Phelps/Banuelos/J-Ram

    Dyn-o-Mite

    :)

  50. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Dan

    I agree. I would tell my agents to see what other interest is out there when they attend the winter meetings in four days in Orlando.

  51. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    I do not want Kelly Johnson to be our Cano replacement.

    Sorry. Not good enough.

    ;)

  52. 86w183 December 6th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    Good morning all —-

    If the Yanks did go as far as $ 25 M per for seven years, I would call that a PHENOMENAL ofer, not a “good” one or even a “great” one. It’s more than 50 % higher than the next highest AAV for a second baseman.

    I would not have gone that high, so I certainly wouldn’t expect the Yanks to go higher. If Cano wants to call all mercenary and take the biggest offer, let him. $ 25 M a year probably gets you Infante and Balfour, for example.

  53. pat December 6th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    All the numbers either side is throwing to the other is just part of the dance. I figured they’d eventuially get into the 8/200 range give or take a million if it helps either side save face.

  54. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    I’m not sure Cano is dictating strategy.

    I think he is following advice.

    JMO

  55. upstate kate December 6th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Hi MTU
    I agree w/ all your points regarding Robbie. The Yankees need to raise their offer enough that Robbie can accept it and save face. Let’s not forget that last season the infield was Robbie and the replacements.

  56. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    MTU,

    I would think there would be tremendous competition for Bailey. He is pretty young, has a great arm and success in a small park. Gardner and then some to get them interested. They could use a CF until Hamilton is ready.

  57. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    pat-

    We’ll see.

    Cano going up to Seattle is a pretty serious step.

  58. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Anyway, if Cano doesn’t return to the Yankees, I’m going to blame ARod. Why not?

  59. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    “Cano is not better than Alomar. He’s not better than Morgan nor Kent or Ryne Sandberg. ”

    Come on Pat M you’re not being objective here…..Almomar and Morgan are debatable…..I still think Cano has some work to do to get to and pass those two …..but he’s already surpassed Ryno and Kent…..

    Cano is on pace to be the greatest 2B since Hornsby.

    Hal asked stick a Yankee comp comp for McCann and he said Munson…..maybe he should ask for one for cano so stick can tell him here is none …..none close

  60. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Mac-

    That would be the ticket.

    And yes I would be super pumped to have him.

    I believe they could get it done.

    It would make a lot of sense for both sides.

    They would then have to backfill GGBG w either Choo, Beltran, or other.

  61. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    I think Cano is star struck with Jay Z and will do what he recommends, and I believe he will recommend the biggest money contract.

    It does cause me some concern if off field activities become too important for Cano or any player.

  62. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Blake-

    I hope the Yankees have not made their final offer.

    Still time for a Hail Mary.

    ;)

  63. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    86-

    Good morning. I hope you don’t need 25M to get Balfour and Infante. Nathan signed for, I believe 9M/year, Wilson for !0, Mujica for 4.5M. Is Infante gong to get more than 8-9M/year?

  64. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    somebody always impulse buys for the best player…..that’s why it was always a big risk letting Cano get to free agency.

    There are 30 baseball owners and in the winter time they all get somewhat competitive…..some more than others but the idea of a player grows and they start bidding against each other and sometimes just against the air. It literally always happens with the best players.

    If the Yankees were never going to give Cano 200 million then they were dummies for not trading him in July because they were never going to keep him……

    I still think ultimately they will go to 200 and Cano will probably stay…..but if he doesn’t then they almost have to move on Choo and Boras knows it……he’s sitting there just waiting

  65. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    YT-

    In this market Infante might.

    ;)

  66. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    “Cano is on pace to be the greatest 2B since Hornsby.”

    Be careful about pace. Both Morgan and Alomar hit a wall at 34. This is another problem endemic to humans. They think life is linear.

  67. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    I’m on my 2nd cup already and the day has just started.

    Who needs sleep, right ?

    ;)

  68. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    Who really cares if Cano is better than some ex-player? The question is will he accept a contract the team thinks is acceptable, and if he will not, what then?

    He can be the best second baseman ever and still not be worth $25M when he is 37-39. Do we already forget the AROD and Pujols debacle contracts?

    Ellsbury will be 36 in his last year. Cano would be 38 in his last year of an eight year contract. That two years is very important in the limited steroid use era.

  69. coney1 December 6th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN 12s

    Source: Robinson Cano and Mariners talks broke off after Jay Z’s excessive demands. Looks like Cano is NOT going to sign with Seattle.

  70. NYY fan in NH December 6th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    “Source: Robinson Cano and Mariners talks broke off after Jay Z’s excessive demands. Looks like Cano is NOT going to sign with Seattle.”

    Per Mark Feinsand

  71. upstate kate December 6th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Doesn’t it benefit JayZ to have Robbie sign in NY? How much exposure will JayZ get if Robbie goes to Seattle?

  72. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    “They think life is linear.”

    Extremely profound statement.

    And oh so true.

    It helps keep them sane.

    We all need our convenient fictions to get by.

    Only robots don’t.

    ;)

  73. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    “I have given up the search for truth. I’d settle for a great fantasy.”

    :)

  74. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    “Be careful about pace. Both Morgan and Alomar hit a wall at 34. This is another problem endemic to humans. They think life is linear.”

    well that’s why I said pace and not that he already was because he’s been better than both in the first half of his career or at least as good…..Morgan’s OPS was actually better in his 30s than in his 20s……

  75. 86w183 December 6th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    Let’s not forget that last season the infield was Robbie and the replacements.

    **********************************************************************

    Sounds like a great name for a 60′s/70′s cover band!

    Cano is a terrific player, but I don’t think he’s cracked the top ten all-time 2B quite yet. Guys like Eddie Collins, Nap Lajoie, Charlie Gehringer and Frankie Frisch merit discussion along with Sandberg, Kent, Alomar, Morgan et al.

    Looking at career numbers Robbie has work to do to join that club. Hopefully he’ll do it in pinstripes.

  76. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    The more I hear about Z the more I come to think that Cano has definitely picked the wrong agent to
    agency to represent him.

    He never should have left Boras.

  77. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    did Robbie as least get some good seafood in Seattle?

  78. TheStraw December 6th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    Source: Robinson Cano and Mariners talks broke off after Jay Z’s excessive demands. Looks like Cano is NOT going to sign with Seattle.

    Per Feinsand.

    What a shock. Jay-Z is really out of his element here and is going to end up looking foolish at the end of this whole thing.

  79. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    Morgan played the first part of his career in the worst hitters park of my lifetime.

  80. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    @FeinsandNYDN: Source: Robinson Cano and Mariners talks broke off after Jay Z’s excessive demands. Looks like Cano is NOT going to sign with Seattle.

  81. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Cano is already a top 10 2B of all time for me……how high he climbs will depends on what he does in his 30′s.

  82. AAA December 6th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Doesn’t it benefit JayZ to have Robbie sign in NY?

    ===============================

    If the agent is worrying about what benefits him, he’s in the wrong business.

  83. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Straw-

    And unfortunately Cano might too.

    For having chosen him over Boras.

  84. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Don’t kid yourselves, Boras would be asking for the same deal that Cano’s new team is asking for.

  85. AAA December 6th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Morgan played the first part of his career in the worst hitters park of my lifetime.

    =================================

    Also in the worst hitting era ever.

  86. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    You are very right MTU. Fictions are very important to humans. When we’re feeling good, we think life will go on that way forever. Or least we’ll depreciate on a straight line. But you what, it’s like 35, ok, 45, feeling fine, 55, not bad, 65, hanging in there, 72, hell in a handbasket.

  87. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    And so the game continues.

    :)

  88. Bronx Jeers December 6th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Well we survived the night and now this. That’s all good news.

    But in what world does JayZ/Cano live in that his next best offer is 50MM lower and talks break down because of excessive demands? Boras must be getting a chuckle out of all of this.

  89. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    If that’s true, Cano, you might as well join Jay Z on his tour, because few owners are going to want to negotiate with Jay Z.

  90. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    What a farce.

    Z in concert.

    Cashman rapelling.

    And Cano back on the beach in the DR.

    Too frickin’ funny.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    :)

  91. pat December 6th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Since the source may have come from Bill Madden, I wouldn’t be surprised if the JayZ overplayed his hand narrative is an attempt to keep other potential suitors out of the mix.

  92. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Dan-

    It is one reason why I am a person of Faith.

    ;)

  93. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    And the way this disinformation campaign is going nothing should surprise us.

    And who said the CIA was the best as shaping opinion and manipulating things ?

    :)

  94. 86w183 December 6th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    My guess is Jay-Z got the Yanks up to $ 175 M, which is acceptable to Robbie.

    BUT he wanted to get someone to go $ 50-75 M above that to give Robbie the option of staying in NYC OR taking a massively larger amount of money.

    Cano is a Yankee once again within 72 hours.

  95. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    pat-

    the important take away is that the talks may have broken off for now.

    The rest is noise.

    ;)

  96. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    “Morgan played the first part of his career in the worst hitters park of my lifetime.

    yup….his OPS+ reflects that too. Robbie is chasing Morgan for me now…..Alomar didn’t have the longevity.

  97. Doreen December 6th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Nah, they probably want to be able to go to the winter meetings and try to find another team to court

  98. AAA December 6th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    If you want 2b D you lose little to nothing w Phillips.

    ==========================

    The instrument has yet to be invented that could adequately measure how far south Phillips is of Cano. To suggest the Yankees lose little or nothing in that exchange is beyond ridiculous.

  99. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 4m
    hearing there’s hiccup in cano/mariners talks. mariners expected him to accept $225M offer. word is, he didnt.do so immediately.

    uhm maybe because he never wanted to go there….

  100. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    AAA-

    Absolutely not.

    Guess you haven’t watched Phillips much then.

    He is extremely slick on D.

  101. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Phillips is a great defender……compared to Cano though he hits about like Brenden Ryan

  102. pat December 6th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    JonHeymanCBS
    hearing there’s hiccup in cano/mariners talks. mariners expected him to accept $225M offer. word is, he didnt.do so immediately.

  103. AAA December 6th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    My bad MTU. I didn’t see the “D” in your statement. Defensively Cano is still better, but you’re right to suggest that’s reasonably close.

    Offensively, it would be ugly though.

  104. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    “well that’s why I said pace and not that he already was because he’s been better than both in the first half of his career or at least as good…..Morgan’s OPS was actually better in his 30s than in his 20s……”

    That’s because of what he did before he was 34 not after.

    You can argue around stats all you want, but the best research out there says that middle infielders and especially second baseman do not age well relative to other positions. Will Robbie be an exception? Maybe. Jeter was. What makes absolutely no sense is the proposition that just because you think someone is worth X dollars in year 7 of a contract, then they must be worth almost the same in year 8 or year 9. Especially when you talking about professional baseball player in his late 30s. Like I’ve been saying, the cliff is out there somewhere. It’s probably many times more likely to be in year 8 or 9 than 5, 6 or 7.

  105. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    After all Phillips only has 4 GG’s and his most recent was just last yr.

    Nah. He isn’t nearly as good on D as Cano.

    You’re right.

    ;)

  106. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    “You can argue around stats all you want, but the best research out there says that middle infielders and especially second baseman do not age well relative to other positions. ”

    most 2B never could hit to begin with though……Robbie doesn’t really compare to most 2B. Morgan never stopped being able to get on base…..even up to the end…..but his power and hitting ability did fall off around 34.

  107. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    I don’t think so Blake.

    see my post above.

    ;)

  108. coney1 December 6th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN now

    BREAKING NEWS: Cano and Mariners talks break down, free agent not signing with Mariners http://nydn.us/1cq1SZh

    ——–
    Jay-Z is turning this process into a clown show.

  109. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Phillips might be better than Cano defensively…..he’s good there…..but he’s older and not half the hitter.

  110. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:25 am
    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 4m
    hearing there’s hiccup in cano/mariners talks. mariners expected him to accept $225M offer. word is, he didnt.do so immediately.

    “uhm maybe because he never wanted to go there….”

    Maybe he’s doing what I suggested 30 minutes ago. Being reasonable and taking time to think about it. Also like I said earlier, if the Mariners don’t give him at least a few days to decide on what the best course is for his future, then they don’t really want the player Cano, they just want what they think his name brings them. If you really want the player and the man, give him some time so he’s comfortable in his decision. Not forever. But at least a few days.

  111. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Blake-

    If Cano goes it’s a question of the alternatives.

    Infante is a better hitter than Phillips but can’t touch his D.

    So it’s half a dozen of one half of the other.

    You want the better D you go w Phillips. You want the better bat you go w Infante.

    Phillips isn’t terrible w the stick. He’s just nowhere near Cano. Infante had a career year last year.

    I just don’t want Johnson to be my Cano replacement.

    ;)

  112. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    MTU,
    you don’t have to trade for Infante though

  113. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    What a farce.

    Like I said. Boras is the best at what he does.

  114. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    “Maybe he’s doing what I suggested 30 minutes ago. Being reasonable and taking time to think about it. Also like I said earlier, if the Mariners don’t give him at least a few days to decide on what the best course is for his future, then they don’t really want the player Cano, they just want what they think his name brings them. If you really want the player and the man, give him some time so he’s comfortable in his decision. Not forever. But at least a few days.”

    agreed

  115. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Blake-

    True.

    I’d take either.

    Makes me no difference.

  116. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN 7m
    Source said Mariners CEO Howard Lincoln “exploded” after Jay Z changed it up and ended the meeting with Cano and his camp.

  117. Cashmoney December 6th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    MTU, Philiips would like cost Yanks money and talents, infante is just money. Yanks don’t have a lot trade pieces, but if they are going to dispense what little they have in trade, give me a big RH power hitter in J.Bautista mold instead someone like Philips, JMO.

  118. RhapsodyInBlue December 6th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    What is concerning to me even if we re-sign Robbie is his association with Jay-Z.

    I don’t get it. Not good.

  119. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    But let’s just get Robbie back.

    ;)

  120. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN 8m
    Source said Mariners were prepared to offer Cano 9/$225 believing he was going to accept. Jay Z made late change, demanded 10/$252. (more)

  121. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    Hysterical.

    Jay Z w the bait and switch.

    Trying to play the M’s.

    What a laugh.

    I mean I know jerk Z is an idiot but not even he is that stupid.

    :)

  122. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    Everybody thought this was going to be over in like 36 hours, then, if it’s not something is wrong, somebody is to blame. This is how it works. And should work.

    Yanks should be focusing on pitching anyway.

  123. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Jeff Passan ?@JeffPassan 1m
    That noise you hear is Scott Boras’ Schadenfreude. RT @FeinsandNYDN: Cano, Mariners talks break down, not signing. http://nydn.us/1cq1SZh

  124. RhapsodyInBlue December 6th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    He thinks he’s still dealing crack.

  125. BD (Boston Dave) December 6th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Just be happy the Sox have Pedroia.

    If Cano was visiting the Boston FO, the Yankee brass might crack and offer 12/$300 ;)

  126. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    It would appear nobody wants to Seattle after all.

    :)

  127. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    ed: go to

  128. pat December 6th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Hmmm. 10/252. Where have I heard that before? Probably just a coincidence that Cano is rumored to want that. :wink:

  129. pkyankfan69 December 6th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Like I said. Boras is the best at what he does.
    —————-
    Without question

  130. BD (Boston Dave) December 6th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    10/252

    What an interesting number

    #arod

  131. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    I need the breakfast of champions.

    Excuse me while I go get it.

    I’ll be laughing all the way to the fridge.

    :)

  132. Doreen December 6th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    SMH.

    When ARod got 10/252 is was a better player and younger than Cano is now.

  133. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Look, I’m a pretty conservative white Republican. I’ve got a ton of issues with Jay Z on a bunch of things (although his music is pretty damn good) but I’ve got a sense the media is trying to make him look bad.

    “It’s like 9/225 is a fine offer, and we’ll take that back home and think about it for a few days. But as you know, we’ve set our sights higher. 10/252 to be precise. If that’s where you are willing to go, then I think we have a deal.”

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. It’s like George Costanza said. We’re ne-go-ci-at-ing.

  134. astrocityfan December 6th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    cano shouldve stayed with boras

    Mariners Talks With Cano Fall Through
    By Steve Adams [December 6 at 7:43am CST]
    The Mariners talks with Robinson Cano have broken down after Seattle made an offer of nine years and $225MM, two sources told Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News. The Mariners are no longer in the mix to sign Cano, reports Feinsand.

    According to Feinsand, Cano and his representatives from CAA and Roc Nation Sports arrived in Seattle with an eight-year, $200MM offer in hand from the Mariners and eventually received assurances that the Mariners would go to nine years and $225MM. However, a late change by agent Jay-Z in which he once again demanded $252MM over 10 years caused Mariners CEO Howard Lincoln to “explode,” prompting the meeting to end.

  135. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    David Cameron ?@DCameronFG 2m
    I’m sure there’s more to story, but report is kind of funny. “I offer nine years.” “I would prefer 10.” “YOU MONSTSER!”

  136. 86w183 December 6th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    As I said above, I’m convinced Robbie will re-sign very soon. He’ll get the greatest contract any 2B ever got and that will be that. Who cares how it might have gone differently with Boras??

    I guess few if any of you have ever been involved in a negotiation. It’s not unusual at all for someone (Jay-Z) to eventually pitch a bigger deal, “if you want him today”. Happens all the time… it might have happened with Ellsbury. the Mariners might have been given a huge number that Cano would accept right away, but instead got ticked off, it happens.

    One other point… the best thing about Cano’s approach to the game is he wont get beat up on the bases or hanging in there and taking punishment on a DP. that should help him age much more gracefully than other 2B who took more of a physical pounding.

    By the way, Brandon Phillips is a damn good offensive player… .749 career OPS with 166 HR and 159 SB. 17 + HR eight straight years, 75 + RBI seven times in eight years.

  137. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Andy McCullough ?@McCulloughSL 1m
    Eric Hinske was a scout for the Yankees for about a month, Cashman says. He helped with the McCann signing.

  138. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    RhapsodyInBlue December 6th, 2013 at 8:38 am
    What is concerning to me even if we re-sign Robbie is his association with Jay-Z.

    I don’t get it. Not good.

    ——————————–

    Just look at it from a marketing stand point. For a lot of these guys Jay-z is a trend setter

  139. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    “According to Feinsand, Cano and his representatives from CAA and Roc Nation Sports arrived in Seattle with an eight-year, $200MM offer in hand from the Mariners and eventually received assurances that the Mariners would go to nine years and $225MM. However, a late change by agent Jay-Z in which he once again demanded $252MM over 10 years caused Mariners CEO Howard Lincoln to “explode,” prompting the meeting to end.”

    I think this is pure Mariner spin. Maybe they demanded that Cano accept the $225MM offer on the spot and refused to allow Cano to walk out and think about it. When met with that refusal, Jay Z suggested that they’d only agree on the spot to their original position, 10/252, which is entirely appropriate, and then Seattle got pissed.

  140. Patrick December 6th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Jay-z, stop trying to make 252 happen, it’s not going to happen!

  141. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    “By the way, Brandon Phillips is a damn good offensive player… .749 career OPS with 166 HR and 159 SB. 17 + HR eight straight years, 75 + RBI seven times in eight years.”

    last 2 years are more relevant at 32.

    last 2 years : .271 .315 .412 .727. 96 OPS+

  142. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    It sounds like good news about cano. But I am sure that another team will jump in the bidding like the dodgers, rangers or nats.

  143. ac1 December 6th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    I want Cano back, but it is clear he is overplaying his hand here….
    Ten years of losing is worth the extra few bucks?
    175 for the team you WANT to be with is good enough.

  144. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    If Jay Z demanded 252 from the Yankees then why did Seattle think that was going to be different for them? And also if you willing to offer 9/225 then why on earth would you be outraged by 252?

  145. Doreen December 6th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    bigdan,

    That scenario makes sense.

  146. Bronx Jeers December 6th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    I love how it couldn’t even be 10/250. It had to be 252.

    It’s gotta be tough being a baseball exec and having to deal with a rap star at the negotiating table.

  147. RhapsodyInBlue December 6th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Could be Robbie got cold feet regarding Seattle the 10-252 was used to shut everything down.

  148. blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    “When ARod got 10/252 is was a better player and younger than Cano is now.”

    the original Arod contract was actually a good deal believe it or not…..at age 25 he was worth that deal and he lived up to it. Cano’s demands now are much more in line with Arod’s 2nd contract and Arod was still a better player at age 31 than Cano is now…….that’s really besides the point though as all that matters is the current market and what teams will pay.

  149. Doreen December 6th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Bronx Jeers,

    True. Even if he is doing everything exactly as any other agent would do, he’s an “outsider.”

  150. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Whatever.

    I’m writing a new book.

    I’m going to call it “Clueless in Seattle”.

    This just too funny.

    :)

  151. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    lets not forget that Jay Z is a yankee fan and even though he’s an agent now you can’t make those feelings go away…..

  152. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    RIB-

    More likely wet feet.

    ;)

  153. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    now would be a good time for the Yanks to drop the 8/200 offer…..come on home now Robbie ….you’ve played the field…..come on home.

  154. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    It was reported last night that they asked the Yanks for 9/252 with a 28 mil vesting option. So them asking 10/252 from Seattle falls in line (because of no state tax in Washington)

  155. Tackelberry December 6th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Does Cano feel Mariners “disrespected’ him by not offering a 10th year?

  156. Tackelberry December 6th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    now would be a good time for the Yanks to drop the 8/200 offer…..come on home now Robbie ….you’ve played the field…..come on home.

    ____________________________

    7 – 175. Thats final

  157. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    now would be a good time for the Yanks to drop the 8/200 offer…..come on home now Robbie ….you’ve played the field…..come on home.

    ————-

    You and i agree about a lot, but that just makes no sense. There’s no reason to budge off their supposed 7/175 offer.

  158. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 8:56 am
    “By the way, Brandon Phillips is a damn good offensive player… .749 career OPS with 166 HR and 159 SB. 17 + HR eight straight years, 75 + RBI seven times in eight years.”

    last 2 years are more relevant at 32.

    last 2 years : .271 .315 .412 .727. 96 OPS+

    _______

    This was covered well over at RAB. Phillips is not close to Cano, bad trend line and not cheap either. Not a good choice.

    It would be nice if Cano would just come back to NY now but I don’t see that happening. Not right away. The dynamics don’t point in that direction. Folks need to exhale now. Let the meetings happen next week. They’ll be more action ahead. You can bet on it.

  159. RhapsodyInBlue December 6th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Going forward kind of hard to expect any other organization willing to meet 10/252 let alone 9/225.

    Could take awhile for this to sort out. I’m thinking 8/200 on the table from the Yankees eventually gets it done.

    How long it takes this process takes to play out is a good question, the Yankees can’t sit and wait they need to move forward filling all of their other needs.

  160. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Blake-

    You have to be kidding.

    This is a business deal.

    It’s about money. And getting the most of it.

    I really think Cano and his agent think he’s worth 10 yrs. and 250.

    It’s absurd.

    And if anyone gives to him they’re nuts.

    He was lucky to get that 225 offer.

    If it was money he wanted he should have grabbed it.

  161. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    “You and i agree about a lot, but that just makes no sense. There’s no reason to budge off their supposed 7/175 offer.”

    still 50 million gap between what Seattle would offer and that…..I still don’t believe 175 will get it done…..somebody he WANTS to play for will go to 200+ or he will decide that he can live with 225 before he takes 50 million less from the Yankees IMO

  162. pat December 6th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    With the opt out, Alex’s Texas contract ended up at 7/$185.5

    Perhaps the Yankees should suggest that instead of 10/252 and throw in a few bonuses for COLA since 2001.

  163. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    RIB-

    And they most definitely have. And will continue to do so.

    Cashman can rappel and chew gum at the same time.

    ;)

  164. Bronx Jeers December 6th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    You have 2 offers. 1 is for 175MM and the other is for 225MM.

    YOU DO have the juice to go back to the team offering 175 and ask for more. YOU DON’T have the juice to ask the 225 team for more.

  165. 86w183 December 6th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    blake —-

    Phillips struggled a bit last year, but in his last two seasons he has 36 HR and 180 RBI. I suspect only Cano (60 HR, 201 RBI) can top those numbers among 2B.

    Pedroia 24 HR, 149 RBI, Utley 29, 114, Kipnis 31, 160, Howie Kendrick 21, 121.

  166. Chambliss December 6th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Personally I am not a fan of Jay Z’s music, but he has received numerous accolades for his work in that field. My guess is that he will not receive similar compliments for his efforts as an agent. This is becoming a fiasco.

    Boras must be chuckling as he watches this play out.

  167. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Dan-

    I think you might be right.

    This circus has the potential to drag on for a while.

    I’m going to focus on our other business.

    ;)

  168. RhapsodyInBlue December 6th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Someone needs to ask Robbie’s father his opinion of how his son was treated by the mariners.

  169. Tackelberry December 6th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Blake:

    If 7 for 175 doesn’t get it done, then I’m perfectly willing to say goodbye and I hope the Yanks are too.

  170. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    The Yanks have to call Cano’s agent right now and offer 7/$175m with a vesting option for an 8th or 8/$200m and hope that it gets done. Get this thing over with and bring Cano back to NY where he belongs.

  171. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    “Phillips struggled a bit last year, but in his last two seasons he has 36 HR and 180 RBI. I suspect only Cano (60 HR, 201 RBI) can top those numbers among 2B.”

    he doesn’t bet on base though…..at 32 you worry if its more than just slippage…..I realize Cano is 31 but he’s still as good as ever. I guess I just pay more attention when a guy starts to slip after age 30….when it’s 2 years in a row I consider that a major concern

  172. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Tell where I think Jay Z might have been wrong though. I’m no expert on these things, but I’m not sure he should have flown out with Cano on a Thurs night for this “impromptu” meeting. I think that might have sent the wrong message. They needed to meet, of course, but they could have set it up on a less exigent schedule. This is the kind of subtle stuff I bet Scott is really good at.

  173. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Chamblis-

    So far I’d have to agree with you.

  174. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Looks like a classic case of overplaying a hand.

    ;)

  175. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    “If 7 for 175 doesn’t get it done, then I’m perfectly willing to say goodbye and I hope the Yanks are too.”

    that makes no sense though after you just gave Ellsbury almost the same contract…..look I get wanting to be frugal here…..but the Yankees have more money than is imaginable and they just can’t justify giving Jacoby 7/153 if they are going to stand on a Cano offer of 7/175 and not budge……

  176. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    If it were me, I would have offered Cano 6/180. I wouldn’t have gone to 7 years to begin with. I definitely don’t want to see them go to 8/200.

    Cano’s team just burned the Seattle bridge. Maybe Seattle calms down and puts 9/225 back on the table. But if Cano was willing to sign for that he would have signed last night.

    I realize another team could jump in and offer something in between Yanks/Mariners. And if he goes there, so be it. I don’t want to see NY go to 8 years.

  177. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    there has still been no mystery team involved…..there is always a mystery team with the best players. The Mariners thing was so public it seemed staged by the Cano camp to try and push his market…..the Mariners were truly interested but they were probably just a pawn in the process to be honest.

    The Yankees are there but my guess is other teams are lurking as well and if the Yanks won’t go to 200 then somebody else that’s a more likely team Cano would go to will jump in a make another big offer.

  178. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    I wouldn’t mind the Yankees sweetening the pot a bit.

    But that is up to them.

  179. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    No big players want to play in Seattle.

    :(

  180. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Sounds like Jay Z proved he’s a rookie in this agent thing.

  181. Tackelberry December 6th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Blake:

    It makes plenty of sense becuase Yanks would just be bidding against themselves with Seattle now out of the picture. Cano would be getting 25 mill per. Ellsbury got almost the same contract? His salary is 21 mil per. Not quite the same. NO way do I go 8/200 with no other suitors in the picture

  182. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    And all because Jay-Z is gambling that MLB owners are as free with their money as those is the music business

    ——————————————-

    There is money in the music business like there used to be.

  183. ac1 December 6th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Cano deserves what he gets for dumping Boras for the flash of a non-agent….

  184. RhapsodyInBlue December 6th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    That he wouldn’t take 9\225 kind of tells you if he has the option of leaving the Yankees for such a lousy destination as Seattle then 10\252 is the cost. Hold your nose and sign here.

    Would it be the same for more competitive organizations like Texas or Detroit? I doubt either would entertain a 9 year 225 m Cano contract, Texas has already been down that road.

  185. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    If the Yanks gave Ellsbury $100m then they could stay at $160m for Cano. But when you give Ellsbury what they did how can you not go to $200m for Cano? It doesn’t make any sense. Have to up the offer and try and get this thing over with before another team joins the bidding.

  186. Tackelberry December 6th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Blake:

    Also, don’t forget Yanks have pitching to address as well, which is gonna cost some money

  187. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    that makes no sense though after you just gave Ellsbury almost the same contract…..look I get wanting to be frugal here…..but the Yankees have more money than is imaginable and they just can’t justify giving Jacoby 7/153 if they are going to stand on a Cano offer of 7/175 and not budge……

    ——————–

    They’re offering 3 mil more per year and Cano is a year older. They’re not offering them the same deal.

  188. Tackelberry December 6th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    If the Yanks gave Ellsbury $100m then they could stay at $160m for Cano. But when you give Ellsbury what they did how can you not go to $200m for Cano? It doesn’t make any sense. Have to up the offer and try and get this thing over with before another team joins the bidding.

    _______________________________\

    NO you don’t becuase you’re then just bidding against yourself.

  189. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Looks like this game is just beginning rather than close to being over.

    WM should add some more spice to the mix.

    ;)

  190. Jason Voorhees December 6th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    They’re offering 3 mil more per year and Cano is a year older. They’re not offering them the same deal.
    ———————————-
    ^^^^ This.

  191. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Nats could be a dark horse too.

    ;)

  192. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Would it be the same for more competitive organizations like Texas or Detroit?
    ———-

    I can’t see the Tigers doing it after just getting out of the $220m Fielder contract. They need that money to pay Scherzer and Cabrera. The only teams left that I can think of are the Nats and Dodgers.

  193. pkyankfan69 December 6th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    I’m not a fan of Jay Z’s music at all but I did see him at Bonnaroo a few years back… It was a pretty good time, he played right after Stevie Wonder (which was much more awesome)… A little big of magic mushrooms probably went a long way in making Jay Z’s set fun though.

    Cano will still get paid but he screwed up leaving Boris for Jay Z, there is no question.

  194. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    According to Feinsand, Cano and his representatives from CAA and Roc Nation Sports arrived in Seattle with an eight-year, $200MM offer in hand from the Mariners and eventually received assurances that the Mariners would go to nine years and $225MM. However, a late change by agent Jay-Z in which he once again demanded $252MM over 10 years caused Mariners CEO Howard Lincoln to “explode,” prompting the meeting to end.

    AHAHHAHAHAHHA, Jay-Z is a freaking idiot.

  195. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    NO you don’t becuase you’re then just bidding against yourself.
    ————

    If the Yanks don’t go to $200m someone else will jump in and get him for less. You can guarantee that.

  196. ac1 December 6th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Someone mentioned the Angels. Why the hell would Anaheim lock themselves into another huge deal after saddling themselves with 8 more years of Pujols and 4 more of Hamilton….

  197. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Jay Z using Seattle as leverage on the Yankees.

    Didn’t work so far.

    And he’s likely lost that one dumb owner in the process.

  198. GregD December 6th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    I think the situation in Seattle will chase teams away from Cano…..they know Jay-Z is just using them to drive up price

  199. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    “It makes plenty of sense becuase Yanks would just be bidding against themselves with Seattle now out of the picture. Cano would be getting 25 mill per. Ellsbury got almost the same contract? His salary is 21 mil per. Not quite the same. NO way do I go 8/200 with no other suitors in the picture”

    yes it’s almost the same contract….same number of years…slightly less AAV. The Mariners still have an offer on the table that’s 50 million higher than the Yankees…..he could always come back to that unless Seattle moves in a different direction and spends that money.

    I still think the Yanks will have to go to 200 to sign him and always have.

  200. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    @BryanHoch

    Cashman says the Yanks are “on the one-yard line” with more than two players. Ellsbury, Kelly Johnson, Kuroda?

  201. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Also, don’t forget Yanks have pitching to address as well, which is gonna cost some money”

    well yea but that’s a totally separate issue….they need that regardless and going ahead and getting Cano done would give them the ability to focus on the pitching.

  202. Tackelberry December 6th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    If the Yanks don’t go to $200m someone else will jump in and get him for less. You can guarantee that.

    ______________________________________________

    YOu don’t up your offer just becuase of what some other team might do. Makes no sense. Especially when there is no such team right now

  203. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Maybe Cano has found himself that one dumb agent instead ?

    :)

  204. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    RhapsodyInBlue December 6th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    “That he wouldn’t take 9\225 kind of tells you if he has the option of leaving the Yankees for such a lousy destination as Seattle then 10\252 is the cost. Hold your nose and sign here.

    Would it be the same for more competitive organizations like Texas or Detroit?”

    Well that’s really the question isn’t it? And Blake is right. A mystery team or two is likely to pop up sometime (Cubs?). When dealing with the Big Dog, this kind of stuff just takes awhile to play out. As others have pointed out, the Yanks have tons of other work to focus on.

  205. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    I think now that the Mariners are apparently out on Cano he and the Yankees will come together on a 7 year $175 contract with two vesting options that take it to 9 and $235.

    Yankees get to say they signed him for what they wanted, Cano gets the contract he wanted knowing that he’ll likely reach the vesting clauses. Everyone saves a little face.

  206. ac1 December 6th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    I still think the Yanks will have to go to 200 to sign him and always have.
    ____

    7/175 is 3 mil per year higher than Ellsbury for an older player.

  207. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    “They’re offering 3 mil more per year and Cano is a year older. They’re not offering them the same deal.”

    it’s a very similar deal and Cano is a lot better than ellsbury. Cano hasn’t failed to play 159 games since 2006!

    The Yankees paid a premium to get Ellsbury signed early…..do the same with Cano….offer the 8/200 and get it over with and lets move on to finding some pitching……theyu’ll have to ultimately pay that anyway IMO if they want to keep him.

  208. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Jay has 50 million problems now.

  209. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Ellsbury and Johnson are already in the fold.

    Might be Kuroda, and maybe Beltran or Choo ?

  210. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Cano may not want to play in Seattle but are they going to walk away from 225 million if they don’t think they can get close to as much from somebody else? Remember Jay Z isn’t the only agent here……the other ones he has are no dummies I’m sure.

  211. Tackelberry December 6th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    yes it’s almost the same contract….same number of years…slightly less AAV. The Mariners still have an offer on the table that’s 50 million higher than the Yankees…..he could always come back to that unless Seattle moves in a different direction and spends that money.

    I still think the Yanks will have to go to 200 to sign him and always have
    ___________________________________________

    All indications are that Seattle has pulled their offer altogether, so I’m not sure Cano can go back now and say “ok, I’ll take the 9 year 225mil’

  212. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    want ultimate leverage …..go ahead and sign Choo or trade for Kemp…..then you really squeeze Cano

  213. pat December 6th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    I don’t believe the bumbling Jay Z/ rookie agent stuff. The guy has run successful businesses for a long time in some of the toughest industries.

  214. AAA December 6th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Probably worth noting that the Yankees offer is not at $175M right now. They MAY go there, but right now they remain in the $160M-$165M range per reports.

  215. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    I’m sure Seattle got the feeling that Cano was just playing them…..and he probably was…..but my question is that if Cano’s team was asking 252 from the Yankees still then why on earth did Seattle feel so sure he’d go ahead and sign for 225 with them?

  216. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Absolutely no reason to up their offer now.

    “The Mariners are no longer in the mix to sign Cano, reports Feinsand.”

    Jay-Z pissed off the Mariners CEO, offer gone.

    Good job Jay-Z, thanks for doing the Yankees a solid.

  217. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    @JonHeymanCBS

    #yankees getting closer to deal with kuroda. not quite done but should be about $16M, 1 yr

  218. RhapsodyInBlue December 6th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Kind of looks like Seattle was a setup to get the Yankees to up the ante to keep Cano in pinstripes but they didn’t blink.

  219. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    If fans don’t think that players measure themselves by contract $ they are insane. Even Mariano said it the other day on the radio.

    That would be like in ’09 when the yanks signed CC and Burnett. If they gave Burnett 5/$85m and only offered CC 5/$98m. You don’t think that CC could have been put off by that?? One contract is connected to the other.

  220. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    “I don’t believe the bumbling Jay Z/ rookie agent stuff. The guy has run successful businesses for a long time in some of the toughest industries.”

    I sorta doubt that Jay Z is really leading the negotiations either….he’s not Cano’s only agent.

  221. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    hey this is fun! one of the best hot stoves EVER and we havent even gotten to the WM yet!

    it’s like riding the cyclone without all that gum sticking to you shoes!

    i have to say i never bought cano to seattle, i could see him going somewhere else but not seattle.

    i said it last night and im sticking with it, cano will be back in pinstripes come opening day!

    and once again i’d like to commend brian cashman for his charity work, i like that he does this rappel thing every year and he’s showing some balls continuing it after busting up his leg last year!

    Let’s Go Yankees!

  222. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Blake-

    Cano’s team can ask for anything they want.

    What they’ll ultimately wind up w is another matter.

    They just rejected a chance for 225.

  223. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    getting Kuroda locked up really helps…..they still need more but the rotation isn’t a gaping hole anymore.

  224. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Blake, how about because it’s 50+ million higher than the Yankees’ offer?

  225. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Steve was right.

    He said Cano wants to be a rock star.

    And you can’t be a rock star in Siberia (Seattle).

    ;)

  226. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Tackelberry December 6th, 2013 at 9:22 am
    If the Yanks gave Ellsbury $100m then they could stay at $160m for Cano

    ———————–

    Exactly if Ellsbury gets 5/100 then you could stay at 160-175. because then it would be in line with there whole budget no long term contracts talk.

  227. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    personally i think caa does the negotiating and jay-z advises both sides (cano and caa).

    he’s a helluva buisnesman, so his advice is worth listening to.

  228. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    “They just rejected a chance for 225.”

    you don’t turn down 225 in the hand unless you think there is something close to that in the bushes.

  229. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Blake-

    Kuroda has at least as much importance as he had the last time round.

    He’s sort of critical.

    And if no Cano, Choo takes on serious importance too.

  230. oak2455 December 6th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 6m
    #yankees getting closer to deal with kuroda. not quite done but should be about $16M, 1 yr
    Expand

  231. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I’m glad Kuroda is coming back but hopefully, after fading 2 years in a row, they’ve learned to manage his innings better.

  232. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    ac1 December 6th, 2013 at 9:29 am
    I still think the Yanks will have to go to 200 to sign him and always have.
    ____

    7/175 is 3 mil per year higher than Ellsbury for an older player.

    ———–

    But he’s better than Ellsbury by a good bit too. The fact is Ellsbury is overpaid and Cano will be too but at least you know what you’re getting with Cano.

  233. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:39 am
    “They just rejected a chance for 225.”

    you don’t turn down 225 in the hand unless you think there is something close to that in the bushes.

    And where is this money?

    Maybe you reject it because you are just demanding huge money and are arrogant enough to “know” you’ll get it.

  234. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    i think seattle intended to sign cano last night or move on. cano’s camp probably told them they were going to take the offer back to the yankees and that blew the whole thing up.

    it was never going to happen imo anyway.

  235. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    you don’t turn down 225 in the hand unless you think there is something close to that in the bushes.

    ——————

    Or maybe they never had any intention of accepting a Seattle deal.

  236. blake December 6th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    “Blake, how about because it’s 50+ million higher than the Yankees’ offer?”

    still doesn’t meet their demands though…..if in their last meeting with the Yankees they were really asking for 10/252 then what makes Seattle think he’s going to change that a week later to go to Seattle? The winter meetings haven’t even happened yet……

    Still think mystery teams will be at play if the Yanks won’t budget on their offer…..if the Yanks came in and offered 8/200 now I think they may have a deal by the weekend…..if they wait they may have to pay more or lose him. JMO

  237. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Blake-

    I don’t think there is anything like that out there.

    I think it was just a ploy. A way to try and gain leverage on the Yanks. It flopped. And flopped badly IMO.

    Who is going to pay 225 or more but a desperate Seattle ?

    And they rejected it and pissed the owner off in the process.

  238. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Jay-Z is not a business man, he’s a business, man.

    He’s a rapper that puts his name on stuff, like many others famous people do.

  239. 86w183 December 6th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    The Ellbsury contract has zero to do with the Cano negotiations.

    The whole Seattle thing is probably a charade to get the Yanks to get closer to $ 200 M. I see no reason for the Yanks to bite. Cano wants to stay, 7 years @ $ 25 M per is more than enough. Time to get it done or move on.

    Baltran + Infante is about the same cost AAV and much less long term and would leave the Yanks in great shape going forward.

  240. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    ?@MLBNetworkPR 3m
    Cashman: “You can’t mess around in free agency…If you play around, you lose.”

  241. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    John Harper ?@NYDNHarper 4m
    Good work by @FeinsandNYDN on Cano-M’s breakup. Source close to Cano insists the he doesn’t want to play there, thus Jay-Z raised price

  242. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    David Waldstein ?@DavidWaldstein 5m
    so maybe it would cost 10 yrs/$252 to make him leave NY. But what made Seattle so mad is that they had indicated 9/$225 was good enough

  243. oak2455 December 6th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Jay Z just entered the Kuroda negotiations and said add another 16 million……. stay tuned

  244. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    What this story tells you is two things:

    1) Cano is going to chase every last dime

    2) The Yankees probably knew this going in and figured “we need to prepare as if Cano’s not coming back because someone’s going to be desperate and offer more than we do”

    With the Mariners now out I don’t know who that other team is. It’s possible that after some sleep the Seattle people and Cano’s people still work something out. I don’t think the Nationals will get involved at this money – not when they know that in a couple of years they’re going to want to start looking at long term deals for Zimmermann, Strausburg and Harper.

    If Cano doesn’t come back to the Yankees, another name to throw out as a possible replacement is Aaron Hill of Arizona.

    The Diamondbacks have Gregorious and Chris Owings at SS but only one of them can play; would they be willing to deal Hill for Phelps or Warren and another prospect (JR Murphy?) to free up a spot for Owings?

  245. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Yanks should now put a time limit on the offer, enough playing games.

  246. Bronx Jeers December 6th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Jay Z sells overpriced, ugly clothing to dumb kids. He’s not exactly Steve Jobs and he certainly has no business at a negotiating table.

  247. CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 47m
    Source offers similar version to NYDN report: Jay-Z wanted 10/260 for Cano, #Mariners thought they were set at 9/225. Impasse to say least.

  248. oak2455 December 6th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Oh Jay z youre such a thug

  249. Your Name Here December 6th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Jay Z sells overpriced, ugly clothing to dumb kids.

    —————–

    How is that different than mlb owners?

  250. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    CountryClub December 6th, 2013 at 9:44 am
    John Harper ?@NYDNHarper 4m
    Good work by @FeinsandNYDN on Cano-M’s breakup. Source close to Cano insists the he doesn’t want to play there, thus Jay-Z raised price

    Uh huh, and if Seattle said yes, then what? Raise the price again right there?

    Not buying it. They got greedy.

  251. 86w183 December 6th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I agree with CountryClub —-

    Cano wants to re-sign with the Yanks and everything else is show.

    I once made a ridiculous request of someone trying to hire me that I really didn’t want to work for. He accepted and I ended up changing jobs. Was very good short term, long term not so much…

    Of course we were talking Ten$ of Thou$and$ not Ten$ of Million$

  252. JobaTipsHisCap December 6th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    they turned down $225m? wow, JayZ will be more like George costanza.
    another reason to hate rap.

  253. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Kuroda and yanks are almost done.

    MLBTR

    Hooray !

  254. JobaTipsHisCap December 6th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Cano has the right to chase every dime, 100% agree.
    Yankees should put a time limit on the offer.

  255. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Or as the French like to say, “Fantastique”

    I’m happy.

    :)

  256. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Who is the other they are on the 1 yard line w ?

    Beltran ?

    Choo ?

    Balfour ?

    Interesting.

  257. Tackelberry December 6th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Yanks are laying this just right. If Cano comes to then and says, if you go to 7 for 175 mill, I’ll sign right now, then Yanks should up the offer and get the deal done

  258. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    The Yankees are having a great OS so far.

    Please keep it up.

  259. Tackelberry December 6th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    rotoworld is reporting that the Red Sox are in on Choo, and the Tigers are in hot pursuit of him as well.

  260. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Yanks might be too.

    Who knows ?

    The Yankees are stealthy.

  261. DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    “You lay down with dogs, you rise up with fleas”. Such is Cano’s current status.

  262. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    They have already kicked baseball in the groin just with what they already have done.

    I hope they kick ‘em again.

    It’s fun to watch.

    ;)

  263. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Haven’t read the posts in this thread, but reading the last one, I see there are still people angling for more than 7 years for Cano.

    Question This might not appear to be a fair one, but under the circumstances of reality in the world, I’m going to ask it.

    I personally think it is outrageous to give 8 years to any 30-year-old. I think 7 could be pushing it, but so be it. For all of those here who are pushing for 8 years or more and having it come out of your mouths as easily as water rolls off a duck’s back, will you make a promise that at no time will you call for Cano to be traded, or deride him, or do anything but root him on and say that you’re thrilled he’s a Yankee, even 7 years from now if we’re still posting here, no matter how bad he may be? And if you once start to biotch and turn against him, will you leave the forum for the entire season if one of us reminds you of your promise?

    Or is it okay for you to blithely root on (IMO) a ridiculous amount of time because you can only see the present and can’t get past your emotions in this one, yet turn against him when the inevitable does happen? Will you put your money where your mouths are right now?

    Of course you can say no. But is there anyone willing to say yes?

    I, on the other hand, am dead set against long contracts, but I will never root against the guy once the Yankees give out a contract. I support Yankee players to the end (unless they dog it or cheat. Then all bets are off.)

  264. abachar December 6th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    I really don’t understand why we are pursuing Choo and Beltran with big contracts, when we already now have 4/5 capable outfielders. Unless there is already a deal to trade one of Gardner/Ichiro/Wells, it seems we are focusing our attention in the wrong area. An outfield of Gardner, Ellsbury, Ichiro with Soriano DHing is already high caliber.

  265. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Bronx Jeers December 6th, 2013 at 9:45 am
    Jay Z sells overpriced, ugly clothing to dumb kids

    ——————–

    That’s not all he does but ok.

  266. 86w183 December 6th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Actually Cano is already 31 — as of October 22

    I think anything that takes you beyond someone’s 35th birthday is very risky.

    But it ain’t my money

  267. DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    The sad part for Cano is he is going to pay this “Boom Box Bozo” a % of the contract he eventually signs. Jay Z will have cost Cano probably $50 Mill, and Cano will pay him for that? What’s wrong with this picture ????

  268. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    “Or maybe they never had any intention of accepting a Seattle deal.”

    I don’t think he did but that’s still a lot of money

  269. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    The wild card in the Cano negotiations, IMO. Not Robby. Not the Yankees. Whomever it is that is advising Robby. Unfortunately Robby is like a 30-year-old big kid. And he’s never had to test the waters before. I see him as EXTREMELY impressionable. And frankly, I don’t trust agents or his best friend on the Yankees…

  270. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    oak2455 December 6th, 2013 at 9:47 am
    Oh Jay z youre such a thug

    ———————

    Now we’re entering a territory that’s not needed let’s keep it clean.

  271. oak2455 December 6th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Jay Z locks down hospital floors

  272. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I once made a ridiculous request of someone trying to hire me that I really didn’t want to work for. He accepted and I ended up changing jobs.

    —————————–

    What was the request a private jet or more money lol

  273. longtimefan December 6th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    trisha, you always make a lot of sense, couldn’t agree more, if the yankee organization has any common snense left they will stick to their offer, look at the past long term big money contracts, Aroid, CC., Tex, how have these contracts worked so far.

  274. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    John Harper ?@NYDNHarper 4m
    Good work by @FeinsandNYDN on Cano-M’s breakup. Source close to Cano insists the he doesn’t want to play there, thus Jay-Z raised price
    —————————

    The fact that he didn’t want to play there but would have for the money tells you what you need to know about Cano’s priorities this offseason. He wants to get paid elite money (and there’s nothing wrong with that) but he’s not going to offer the Yankees any sort of hometown discount and if someone trumps what the Yankees are offering he’ll take it.

    In the end, with the Mariners out and no one else seemingly in, I think Cano returns to New York but I think that the Yankees should keep doing what they’re doing – operate as if Cano isn’t coming back.

  275. DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    The story said Cano Did travel to Seattle Thur night. That means he was there to sign at some point. There is No other reason for him to be there in person.

  276. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    “And where is this money?

    Maybe you reject it because you are just demanding huge money and are arrogant enough to “know” you’ll get it.”

    I think it would be naive to think that only the Mariners and Yankees are interested in the best player on the market.

  277. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Uh huh, and if Seattle said yes, then what? Raise the price again right there?

    Not buying it. They got greedy.

    ——————–

    Ppl do it all the time. If they are desperate enough they might have upped it to their asking price. Then if they do he either signs or they make another ridiculous claim.

  278. mick December 6th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Source: Robinson Cano and Mariners talks broke off after Jay Z’s excessive demands.
    ==============
    Is this his ploy to get Robbie to take less with the Yankees.
    Enough already.
    Wrap it up today.

  279. Chip December 6th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Orioles pick up Ryan Webb for their pen – great signing. The only reason he was available is because the Marlins were too cheap to tender him a contract

  280. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    hahahaha

    if he can sell crappy clother that are overpriced, that just makes him a better buisnessman. and i never said he was steve jobs. every good buisnessperson isnt steve jobs.

  281. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    if Kuroda does sign then the Yankees are up around 165 million WITHOUT any of the Arod money….

  282. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    No one excited about Kuroda ?

    Wow.

    Color me amazed.

  283. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Had to leave the blog for an hour.

    MTU and Blake

    Is this where we stand now?

    Owner of Mariners, Lincoln, is fuming.
    Jay Z pulled a fast one. cano never wanted to go to Seattle.
    No word from the Yankees camp yet?
    Kuroda on verge of resigning.
    Another FA is in play?

    Is this correct?

  284. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    MTU December 6th, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Excellent post. I think all of us who are able to deal with this logically absolutely agree with this. It’s a business. You hope for the best and then whatever happens, you move on.

  285. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Cano’s demands of the Mariners were the same as they were of the Yankees…..

  286. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Blake-

    He’s as good as done.

    Put a check next his name.

    :)

  287. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    ut he’s not going to offer the Yankees any sort of hometown discount

    ——————-

    They could have gotten a discount when he wanted to extend 2 yrs ago.

  288. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    I don’t like giving 8 years to Cano, but that’s not the issue. The issue is whether the market is willing to give 8 years to a player of Cano’s caliber.

    I don’t know the answer to that question. If the Seattle offer is an outrageous outlier, then I don’t criticize the Yanks for not matching it. If it isn’t, then I think the Yanks do have to match it if they want to compete for the World Series championship next year. But the Yanks have to decide that.

  289. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    MTU, I’m still reading the posts in this thread. But I just saw yours about Kuroda. Is it a done deal? I am absolutely THRILLED about Kuroda if he’s coming back. That I huge. I didn’t think it was going to happen and wouldn’t have blamed him based on the way the starting pitching imploded last season leaving him to haul the freight!

    AWESOME NEWS if he’s back with us!!!

  290. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    YT-

    Yes. I think what you stated is accurate.

    Wonder who the mystery player is ?

    Trisha-

    Don’t get me wrong. I would love to have Cano back.

    And I think it might behoove the Yankees to show him just a little more love.

    But if that isn’t enough that’s just the way it has to be.

    ;)

  291. oak2455 December 6th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    correct

  292. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    New Post——->

  293. Barry December 6th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Big Dan–

    The media is not monolithic. The Cano situation is lead by a primitive boob. Nothing to do with being, or not being, a white Republican. There are very smart people backing up Jay Z but he is in charge. Oddly, the artist, or wage earner, always is. For whatever reason, Boras was no longer a good fit for Cano. I think that, despite the antipathy to Scott on this board and other places, was and is really unfortunate.

  294. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Trisha-

    I think all they really need do is dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

    Heyman reported that they are close on a 16 mil 1 yr deal.

    I don’t think that gets out there if it isn’t pretty near a certainty.

    Also, this AM Cashman said they were one the 1 yard line w several players.

    Of course it isn’t over till it’s over but I feel very confident.

    :)

  295. Wave Your Hat December 6th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    If Cano were represented by Boras the same stuff would be going on, just maybe smoother. But no way Cano would be even close to signing yet for what the Yanks are offering if Boras were in charge.

  296. DONNYBROOK December 6th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Well, if you look at what Jay Z and Cano attempted to pull last night, it’s really not much different than Cano”s opener of roughly $300 Mill for 10yrs. Greedy then, greedy now.

  297. RhapsodyInBlue December 6th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Looks to me like the trip to Seattle was a ploy to scare the Yankees into upping the ante at the last minute to retain Cano at higher costs and they didn’t blink.

    This morning team Cano has to be rethinking their strategy which seems to be to get the Yankees off of 7 years 25 M.

    I see last night as a retreat by Cano and his team to regroup.

  298. coney1 December 6th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Ken Rosenthal now saying on MLB Network that Mariners and Cano are still talking

  299. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    LOL
    ———-

    @KenDavidoff

    Industry source says that Cano and the #Mariners are still negotiating.


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