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Report: Yankees and Beltran agree to three years

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 06, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

What have I always said? Send me
out of the apartment and news will break. From a big event in the city for an old friend of mine…

Our friend Mark Feinsand was the first to report the Yankees have agreed to a three-year deal with Carlos Beltran. He will help make up for some of the offense lost when Robinson Cano went to Seattle.

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865 Responses to “Report: Yankees and Beltran agree to three years”

  1. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    So the Yankees blinked on the 3rd year.

    ————–

    When you don’t have a farm this is what happens.

  2. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Howard Cosell December 6th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
    Hard to imagine the Yankees signed a Melky Cabrera with dominant base stealing ability to

    7 years @ 20plus million per year

    Remarkable…..

    ——————

    They’re going to hear about the Ellsbury signing for a while. I hope he’s healthy all the way through next yr or the wolves will be out

  3. Giuseppe Franco December 6th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Indeed, AAO.

  4. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Beltran is cool because he should be able to play passable defense in RF in NYS and can DH in bigger outfields. He is a switchy so I expect he will hit 3rd in the lineup.

    Downside is he is old as balls and didnt hit lefties last year and has bad knees.
    Upside his contract isn’t terrible and he is a real cool guy, so should be a good fit with the rest of the team.

    Now I just hope Tanaka posts and we can add him + 1 more bat.

  5. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Next.

    :)

  6. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    I remember Beltran had wanted to come to the Yankees and they were in the midst of Bernie’s sizable contract and not wanting to tack on more LT.

    They passed on Beltran because George wanted randy johnson. Cashman wanted Carlos. A lot of people say ‘Well if the Boss were alive…’ but George oft made bigger mistakes than his sons. We could have had Vlad Guerrero in his prime and Carlos Beltran in the same outfield.

  7. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    I said earlier today, I was warming up to this guy. They really need a power run producer in the middle of the order now that Cano is gone.

    I think you need to trade Gardner now. Sori has to play the outfield so as not to clog up the DH.

    Zolio batting .322 and Navarro leading Dom League in OPS. Let the kids play!

    189 has to be dead now.

  8. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    We’ll get there JF.

    ;)

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Ha ha ha, oh yes, the Yankees front office is just ridiculous and doesn’t know what’s it doing, plus it obviously doesn’t care about winning.

    YOU GO YANKEES!!!

  10. Sweet Swinging Cano December 6th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    I like it. I wanted him all along.

  11. emmy December 6th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    They can go an exta year on Beltran that takes him through age 39, but can’t go an more than 7 on Cano? If they would have offered 8 years that would have also taken Cano to age 39 (in Oct of that year).

    Yankees handled the Cano negotiations horribly. It’s really hard to swallow.

  12. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
    I like Beltran, though for ages 37-39 thats steep. They are really banking on Beltran being like such a superb talent that he avoids old man disease.

    ———————

    Yea hopefully he can remain productive. He always wanted to play here so it’s going to be fun seeing it finally happen.

  13. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    McCann, Ellsbury, Johnson, Kuroda, Beltran, Tanaka, etc.

    189 is toast.

    :)

  14. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    3/45 for Beltran

  15. vc 11 December 6th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Here’s the post-mortem for Robinson Cano:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wKU-jaus6w

    Now keep up the three year deals!

    Tanaka, Reynolds, and a reliever! When’s Spring Training?

  16. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    We could have had Vlad Guerrero in his prime and Carlos Beltran in the same outfield.

    —————–

    Along with a prime A-rod at 3rd…holy s****

  17. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Not toast yet MTU, they are still under the cap even with A-rod, I believe. They haven’t really crushed past it. The club still needs some work, but its still in that dangerous territory where HAL might go ‘eh good enough’ and shut it down.

  18. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Soriano hit lhp pretty damn well last year. I wouldn’t mind adding Hart though

  19. Sweet Swinging Cano December 6th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Tanaka is no lock. I hope though

  20. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Napoli back with Sox 2/32

  21. Yes You McCann December 6th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Beltran should be hitting behind Cano in the 4th spot. You always want your best hitter batting as many times as possible, and there’s no chance Girardi will hit Cano 1st or 2nd.

  22. emmy December 6th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    MTU, Cano should have been on that list.

  23. Patrick December 6th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    We could have had Vlad Guerrero in his prime and Carlos Beltran in the same outfield.

    Instead we got Sheffield, Matsui and Bernie with the odd day of Womack thrown in there. Worst defensive outfield ever?

  24. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Balfour, O’Flaherty.

    “Money it’s a gas.”

    :)

  25. Sweet Swinging Cano December 6th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    So they should of given cano 10 years?

  26. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Instead we got Sheffield, Matsui and Bernie with the odd day of Womack thrown in there. Worst defensive outfield ever?

    Hey … Bubba Crosby got 76 games… and Matt Lawton

  27. pete2 December 6th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Wow, what a week. This is great news. I assume this makes Gardner or Soriano expendable, although I believe AS has a NTC.

    Now hoping to hear they get Drew and move on to solving the pitching. I am ok with Johnson at 2B. Of course, the could skip Drew and try for Uribe at 3B, but not sure his 2013 season was real. Maybe the sign Drew and Uribe and have Jeter at DH except against LHH when he can play SS

  28. luis December 6th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    emmy,

    Yes, they did

  29. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    The plan unfolding just like the petals on a flower coming into bloom.

    ;)

  30. exiledintampa December 6th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Ken Davidoff?@KenDavidoff2m
    So as far as I can tell, the #Yankees’ strategy this winter is: Go overboard for everyone besides Robinson Cano.

  31. mortl December 6th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    WHERE IS SJ44 !?!?!?!?

  32. rm December 6th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Asdrubal Cabrera is inhis walk year. I ownder what it would take to get him?

  33. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    “Not toast yet MTU, they are still under the cap even with A-rod, I believe. They haven’t really crushed past it. The club still needs some work, but its still in that dangerous territory where HAL might go ‘eh good enough’ and shut it down”

    Check out ITATM today. Great spreadsheet. Had about $17MM to spend after Kuroda. And that’s with a full year suspension for Arod. Right at the wall now. I think it’s finally dead.

  34. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    What do you project Infante will get in this aggressive market?

  35. charlestonchew December 6th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    I’m not sure Gardner’s the guy you trade. I think you trade Soriano. For one, he’ll get you more as a return. For two, Gardner’s probably a better player and costs little.

    But I don’t trade any of them if I’m the Yankees. You can get a lot out of Carlos Beltran and Alfonso Soriano if you give them some time off to stay fresh and DH from time to time. I’m not actually sure that I’d be DHing Soriano that much. I’d be benching Beltran half as much, giving Jacoby and Gardner some days here and there to rest their fielding legs. Plus, a hamstring could get pulled and then you’re totally able to make up for the production.

    So Beltran is a Yankee…

    I was actually excited to hear this news after the bad news with Robbie.

    The Yankees are making a play for a world series.

    Tanaka’s up next.

  36. luis December 6th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    exiled,

    lol…. Probably true

  37. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Then it’s 2M left with Beltran.

  38. pkyankfan69 December 6th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Can’t wait to watch this line up go to work:

    CF – Ellsbury
    SS – Jeter
    RF – Beltran
    LF – Kemp
    C – McCann
    DH – Soriano
    1B – Tex
    2B – Infante
    3B – Whoever

  39. charlestonchew December 6th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    And by “benching Beltran”, I mean DHing

  40. Yes You McCann December 6th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    The team needs batters to hit LHP. Beltran doesn’t really help with that. Soriano does. Soriano played really well last season, and for the couple months as a Yankee. We should not trade Sori.

  41. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    “But I don’t trade any of them if I’m the Yankees. You can get a lot out of Carlos Beltran and Alfonso Soriano if you give them some time off to stay fresh and DH from time to time. I’m not actually sure that I’d be DHing Soriano that much. I’d be benching Beltran half as much, giving Jacoby and Gardner some days here and there to rest their fielding legs. Plus, a hamstring could get pulled and then you’re totally able to make up for the production”

    The problem is Jeter needs the DH spot. And so does McCann. There’s no room for Beltran or Sori in the same line up unless they DH one of them now.

  42. GregD December 6th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    our offense is already better that last years……..

  43. luis December 6th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    I am sorry…But can you see what 2015′s lineup will look like?…No homegrown players on it…We will be back to the vaunted 80′s

  44. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    how good am I

  45. GregD December 6th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    we have some depth now……..

  46. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    The problem is Jeter needs the DH spot. And so does McCann. There’s no room for Beltran or Sori in the same line up unless they DH one of them now.

    Jeter is the starting SS and McCann is the starting catcher, so thus when they are starting at those positions you must have a starting DH.

  47. j9d December 6th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    Like the signing. Good move.

  48. exiledintampa December 6th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    They said they would spend 300 million this winter. Guess what, they’re there.

  49. emmy December 6th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Sweet Swinging,

    No, not 10 years. But Robbie got 10/240. Yankees best offer was 7/175. Thats way too big of a gap. You can’t expect Cano to leave $65 million on the table.

    I would have gone 8/205, option for a 9th and generous incentives. This coupled with all the intangibles that being a Yankee would bring a player like Cano (and additional millions that he would have surely made being in NY) and i really do believe he would have stayed.

  50. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    More to come.

    Kiss 189 goodbye.

    Need another pitcher.

    a 3b

    A closer

    A LOOGY

  51. mortl December 6th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    joeman are u sj44? just admit it

  52. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Gardner LF
    Jeter SS
    Ellsbury CF
    Beltran RF
    McCann C
    Teixeira 1B
    Soriano DH
    Johnson 2B
    I Don’t Know is on 3rd

  53. GregD December 6th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Robertson is the closer………

  54. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    joeman December 6th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    Say hi to beltran

  55. Cashmoney December 6th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    infante will command at least 4 for 50 is my guess.

  56. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    joeman December 6th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    Tonight will be a busy night on lohud

  57. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    luis December 6th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    “I am sorry…But can you see what 2015?s lineup will look like?…No homegrown players on it…We will be back to the vaunted 80?s”

    I was there for the 80s. I think they would have made the playoffs a couple times if there were a wild card. The problem was pitching. If it weren’t for collusion and not signing Jack Morris when he was available, the Yanks would have been in the post season a few times. Awesome lineups in the mid-80s. Better than the late 90s.

  58. Giuseppe Franco December 6th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    exiledintampa December 6th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Ken Davidoff?@KenDavidoff2m
    So as far as I can tell, the #Yankees’ strategy this winter is: Go overboard for everyone besides Robinson Cano.

    —-

    Yep, that pretty much says it all.

  59. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Joeman-

    That’s two.

    Congrats !

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/Dec42013?authkey=Gv1sRgCP-6zLe7nbL8IQ#

    Care to go for a 3rd ?

    get your TV ?

    ;)

  60. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Greetings everyone…. sorry I wasn’t around today… kinda busy…

    What’d I miss?

    (kidding….)

  61. jmv December 6th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Luis, Murphy and/or Sanchez will be here at 2015…

  62. abachar December 6th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    So…is Vernon Wells gone then?

  63. vc 11 December 6th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    Here’s the thing with Cano and Ellsbury deals:

    If Cano was insulted by Ellsbury deal (which is only speculation at this point), remember that Yankees had to overpay to get Ellsbury. If people don’t believe that was the case, then tell me the Mariners didn’t overpay to get Cano! You have to overpay for free agents now.

    The realistic value for Ellsbury was $100M, *maybe* stretch it to $120M. The Yankees offered Cano $175M. That’s $55M more value in Cano than Ellsbury. Does Cano really think he was worth $240M? If he was, why were the Mariners only at $200M yesterday? Because they had to kick it up to 10/$240 to get the deal done!

  64. JCPD December 6th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    On to Omar and pitching…… not necessarily in that order

  65. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
    The problem is Jeter needs the DH spot. And so does McCann. There’s no room for Beltran or Sori in the same line up unless they DH one of them now.

    “Jeter is the starting SS . . . .”

    ——–

    Good luck with that.

  66. yankfan1 December 6th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Im getting the feeling Gardner is gone. What are the chances they can swing a deal with Cincy for Philips? My guess is low, Infante is probably the more realistic option. But a Johnson/ Reynolds platoon at 3B and Philips at 2B is a very deep lineup.

  67. kd December 6th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    just wish they had signed the guy 10 years ago, not now

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Oh please, give it a rest with Cano. Nobody was behind the scenes knowing everything that went on. Apparently if Cashman made a comment about Robby wanting the money (that was no lie) things were clearly telegraphed to him.

    Trying to compare getting Beltran for three years to taking Cano until he was 39 makes total sense. :roll:

    Funny that baseball experts talking about the deal aren’t thinking the Yankees made a big mistake. In fact I heard them say tonight the Yankees could very well be better off without him since it gives them a lot more flexibility to bring in a variety of players with the nut they would have put in his direction. They compared it to St. Louis losing Pujols and coming within one game of winning the World Series the following year.

    They also pointed out that Robby was not seen as the face of the franchise and never had the cachet that a Jeter or Mariano did.

    The Yankees aren’t as crazy as some of their fans, thank God. As they pointed out on MLB Tonight, the Yankees were not taking on another Arod contract for anyone. They learned. Unfortunately some of their fans never do.

    ************

    I wish Robby the best. I don’t begrudge him a thing. Nor do I blame the Yankees a whit for letting him go. NOBODY is worth the contact Robby got from Seattle, not in the Yankee organization. Nobody gets 10 year contracts from the Yankees. Apparently they seem to be capping their contract length for 30 year old players at 7 years. Good for them and good for us.

  69. kd December 6th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    gardner and phelps for pablo sandoval

  70. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Steve-

    I guess Cano can be a rock star in Siberia ?

    :)

  71. Tabbert December 6th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    This is just a big name signing to please the fans. Beltran is worth what, 2-3 wins? We lost a 6-8 win player. While I love Beltran, This is still not a playoff team. Mike Axisa had us as a 80 win team based on WAR before the additions of Kuroda, and Beltran. So, going off of his math, this is what, a 84-87 win team? Yea, i realize WAR is not the be all end all, but this signing doesn’t just erase the loss of Cano. We still need a lot more if we intend on being actual championship contenders.

  72. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Juan Uribe often 3rd?

    http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....osition=SS

  73. luis December 6th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    bigdan,

    Me too…. Sure, with the way the tournament is set up nowadays, they would have made the PS a few times… Still, none of the teams of those years would have beaten the late 90′s teams…. Also, I find it hard to root for a bunch of FA’s with no local flavor

  74. Yes You McCann December 6th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Goodbye Vernon. It wasn’t nice knowing you.

  75. Cashmoney December 6th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Dan, realistically do you think G will sit Jeter if he is physically able to stand out there? If Jeter is not in the lineup it is because he is on the DL or really hurt. hence the problem will solve itself.

  76. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Carlos Beltran

    http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....osition=OF

  77. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    MTU -

    We all missed the mark on that one…. Yanks were prepared to go to 7@27, but never past 7.

    AAV was fine, just too many years. Oh well….

    So, as you’ve seen, all those “offers” that were out there, were out there conditionally.

    Now the other dominoes begin to fall.

    I have a few more names on my projected 40 man, but the only one I’ve missed on so far is Cano. I’m okay with that, because this is going to be a much better team than last year’s version.

    The reallocation of assets will manifest itself in the bullpen, as opposed to 2B.

    Oh, and they are at 216.76 w/Arod, 183.76 w/o.

    189 = toast.

  78. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    So the Yankees blinked on the 3rd year.

    ————–

    When you don’t have a farm this is what happens.
    __
    I called this one weeks ago. Beltran would sign for 3 years. Wish we had him years ago, and would have loved him for two years, but still like having him in the lineup. It’s obvious that spread around the money that they knew Cano would reject was the plan from the get go.

  79. tucker December 6th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    They still need a third baseman.

  80. Mike Ri December 6th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    STOP CRYING ABOUT CANO….

  81. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Joeman-

    I wouldn’t exactly call that big news.

    It was kind of predictable.

    You got anything else ?

    Go for 3.

    ;)

  82. realityspeaks December 6th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Panic move.

    Yankees gain 2 compensation picks: losing Cano and Granderson.

    lost draft picks: Signing McCann, Ellsbury, and Beltran (the Yankees lose their first round pick and the 2 compensation picks for Cano and Granderson)

    Kuroda was resigned. So, it is now set in stone, the Yankees earliest pick in the 2014 draft will be no earlier than the second round. If they sign another QO free agent, their earliest pick will be in the third round.

    Cashman is too smart for this. The Steinbrenners must be getting involved with baseball operations.

  83. Cashmoney December 6th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    call me crazy, i actually like D. Murphy on the Mutts, I like his bat, but it will kind to say he is adequate defensively. Cashman just has to sell Alderson that Vernon Wells is a man on vengeance.

  84. tucker December 6th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    If ARod gets suspended for the year, I think they’ll come in under 189. Otherwise, they’ll have to break through it.

  85. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Tabbert December 6th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    “This is just a big name signing to please the fans. Beltran is worth what, 2-3 wins? We lost a 6-8 win player. While I love Beltran, This is still not a playoff team. Mike Axisa had us as a 80 win team based on WAR before the additions of Kuroda, and Beltran. So, going off of his math, this is what, a 84-87 win team? Yea, i realize WAR is not the be all end all, but this signing doesn’t just erase the loss of Cano. We still need a lot more if we intend on being actual championship contenders.”

    I agree with a lot of this. With Kuroda and Beltran I’d say they are about an 85 win team now. But with Tanaka, if he’s the real deal, that will make them a 90 win team and a real contender. Much improved over last year. The addition of quality starting pitching to this roster greatly outweighs the WAR of an exceptional hitter like Cano. Tanaka and Kuroda are much more important than either Beltran or Cano.

  86. luis December 6th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    jmv,

    If they don’t end up traded….Remember McCann will surely block Murphy and keep him as a BUC… Sanchez has a better shot…But with this FO, I am sure he will be traded in time

  87. Pat M. December 6th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    A for sale tag has just been place around Brett Gardners’ neck

  88. realityspeaks December 6th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Beltran in his late 30′s and he was worth 2 WAR last year. His defense is atrocious and the Yankees are already flush with outfielders and DH types. This is a terrible use of resources that screams PR move.

    Seems like the team is desperate to sell seats and ads and viewership next year instead of improving the team for the long term, gee what else is new :(

  89. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Steve-

    Johnson should not be our everyday 2b unless we have a strong 3b.

    We still need another Starter. At least a #4 type if not better.

    A closer.

    A LOOGY.

    I guess GGBG is the prime chip ?

    Plus the others we talked about w the Snakes.

    :)

  90. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    Everything Yanks do is a PR move these days.

  91. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Pat M. -

    Good evening… IMO, it was there as of the Ellsbury signing, but, yes, this kinda clinches it.

    I personally like the reallocation of assets… use your cash to buy inventory and sell/trade the cheaper versions to rebuild some of the farm.

  92. Pat M. December 6th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Man this could be the most seasoned Yankee ballclub since WW II

  93. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    189 is gone.

    Like a bad dream.

    Amen.

    ;)

  94. Dill Pickler December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    trisha: I wish Robby the best. I don’t begrudge him a thing. Nor do I blame the Yankees a whit for letting him go. NOBODY is worth the contact Robby got from Seattle, not in the Yankee organization. Nobody gets 10 year contracts from the Yankees. Apparently they seem to be capping their contract length for 30 year old players at 7 years. Good for them and good for us.

    —————————————————————–
    And yet they are now going to be paying Beltran when he is 38 and 39 years old.

    And they didn’t have to go 10 years for Cano. They could have signed him for 8, according to Sherman.

  95. jmv December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    I don’t know wich one is more toast, Zoilo or 189

  96. realityspeaks December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Yankees home games should start at 4:30pm so their aging vet players can go to bed by 9 pm

  97. dayglo December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Wonder what you can get for Gardner/Romine (although I’d love for them to keep Gardner).

  98. jlyanks85 December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    We got 3 offensive players all for only little more than it cost Cano alone. I’ll take that. They probably will add somebody else in the infield too.

  99. Tabbert December 6th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    bigdan-

    Do you really believe Tanaka would be worth 5 wins? Verlander was worth 5.2 last year, and pitched more innings than i believe Tanaka will pitch. I think Tanaka might be worth 2- 3.5 win. Even then, it’s no sure thing that we even sign him. Still a ton of work to do.

  100. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
    Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    So the Yankees blinked on the 3rd year.

    ————–

    When you don’t have a farm this is what happens.
    __
    I called this one weeks ago. Beltran would sign for 3 years. Wish we had him years ago, and would have loved him for two years, but still like having him in the lineup. It’s obvious that spread around the money that they knew Cano would reject was the plan from the get go.

    —————————-

    True I think that ‘s why they didn’t sit and wait for the market and just went out and grabbed guys they wanted.

  101. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    MTU -

    There is a lot yet to be done.

    The full court press is on Infante, as well as the 3B situation.

    Choo is not off the table, but certainly not as important. It’s about the years again.

    Jeff Baker is an important piece at this point, as well (the RH side to Kelly Johnson and/or Choo).

  102. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:50 am
    GregD December 6th, 2013 at 11:49 am
    would you rather have Choo or Beltran?
    ——————————————
    wouldn’t toss either …for the years Beltran

  103. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    I will be hitting the sack soon.

    Tonight I will sleep well.

    And dream of even bigger things.

    I will have dulce suenos once again.

    :)

  104. jlyanks85 December 6th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Dill Pickler December 6th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
    trisha: I wish Robby the best. I don’t begrudge him a thing. Nor do I blame the Yankees a whit for letting him go. NOBODY is worth the contact Robby got from Seattle, not in the Yankee organization. Nobody gets 10 year contracts from the Yankees. Apparently they seem to be capping their contract length for 30 year old players at 7 years. Good for them and good for us.

    —————————————————————–
    And yet they are now going to be paying Beltran when he is 38 and 39 years old.

    And they didn’t have to go 10 years for Cano. They could have signed him for 8, according to Sherman.

    Cano wasn’t signing for 8 when he had a 10 year offer.It was clear he wanted 10 and the desperate team gave him that.

    With state income tax in NY the offer was really 80-90 mil more. Hard to beat that.

  105. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:58 am
    big move for NYY today or tomorrow…don’t go anywhere

  106. exiledintampa December 6th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Chris Cotillo?@ChrisCotillo2m
    Some pointing out that with Hughes gone, it’s 20 years/$324 million for Hughes, Grandy and Cano vs. 16/$299 for the four.

  107. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Cashmoney December 6th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    “Dan, realistically do you think G will sit Jeter if he is physically able to stand out there? If Jeter is not in the lineup it is because he is on the DL or really hurt. hence the problem will solve itself.”

    First of all, with Jeter, we are really in brand new territory. They were talking on YES yesterday about Jeter being removed for defense late in games. Do remember that ever happening? Also, there’s precedent for this. A couple of years ago the Yanks started the season with a plan to have Jeter DH against all lefties and to start Nunie at SS those days.

    There are few possible outcomes here for the Yanks at SS on opening day. One is Jeter actually retiring. But I think the most likely scenario is for Jeter to try to play every day in the field and find out that he cannot. That’s when he will begin to be used primarily as a DH.

    Also McCann needs to DH quite a bit too to keep him fresh. There really isn’t room for a Yankee outfielder to DH.

  108. realityspeaks December 6th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    in 1995-1996, the Yankees produced a bunch of young stars that carried them to multiple titles, and they have spent every year since making sure that that never happens again.

  109. jmv December 6th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    I’m out for today.

    Good night, all!

    Trisha, get your MRI. Trust me

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    “Seems like the team is desperate to sell seats and ads and viewership next year instead of improving the team for the long term, gee what else is new :(

    :roll:

    McCann and Ellsbury are a figment of your imagination.

    I guess those who are bitter about Cano will continue down this road for a while to come. Have at.

  111. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    Odds, And that is two years as a complementary piece with Cano still on the team. Not in lieu of Cano. Crap, it really feels like we are at the height of the old days of free agency. Next we can deal off 4 AA prospects and Gardner for a 3B. Then we will only have elite talent at A ball. Sigh.

  112. luis December 6th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    MTU,

    Good night…. I won’t sleep well

  113. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Steve-

    Interested as to what they can pull off at the WM too.

    Maybe even more interested.

    Thanks for the additional thoughts.

    We’re getting there.

    I’m smiling.

    :)

  114. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    MTU

    If Gardner goes your OF is Soriano-Ellsbury-Beltran, backup Ichiro

  115. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    wow! the hits just keep coming!

    carlos beltran has been one of my favorite baseball player since i saw him play as a rookie in kansas city.

    i dont know if it’s a smart contract, but i sure am glad he finally got his pinstriples.

    he’s gonna be fun to root for.

    two switch hitters in the lineup again! I LIKE IT!

    i guess this means gardner (or ichiro at least)will be leaving us now.

  116. emmy December 6th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Well, good night to all.

    I am rolling my eyes at the Yankees.

    I know the stadium will be seating my toned derriere during A LOT fewer games next season.

  117. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    MTU -

    The main FA will be done by this weekend. The WM are going to be for pitching and working the trade market (for all teams, not just NYY).

  118. realityspeaks December 6th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    The Yankees won 4 WS in 5 years when they developed young players. Won 1 in last 13 years when spending big on free agents #NeverLearn

  119. Dill Pickler December 6th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    jlyanks85 December 6th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Cano wasn’t signing for 8 when he had a 10 year offer.It was clear he wanted 10 and the desperate team gave him that.

    ————————————————————–

    Really? According to MLBTR: •”For everyone, respect trumped better judgment,” Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan writes about the deal, arguing that Cano was turned off by the Yankees’ contractual hardball when the team had already given Jacoby Ellsbury a big contract. Passan also thinks the Mariners were desperate to regain some respect and stature within MLB, and while the contract will eventually be a burden for the M’s, the team needs to do “everything possible to win the next five years” while Cano is still in his prime.
    •Cano’s representatives approached the Yankees earlier this week and lowered their demands to $235MM over the club’s choice of eight, nine or 10 seasons, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports. The Yankees countered with a seven-year, $175MM offer that they claimed was “their breaking point.”

    You don’t think Seattle had to pay a premium to get Cano to go there? Of course they did. You’d have to be a fool to think they didn’t.

  120. jpb173 December 6th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Is anyone interested in trading for Jonathan Papelbon? He has three more years on his contract in Philly ($13 million per year). If we give Philly enough we can get them to throw in about $7 million dollars and structure it so that the AAV hit is only $6 million this season.

    I figure it will take Gary Sanchez, David Phelps and Zoilo Almonte.

  121. Cashmoney December 6th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Dan, Jeter might not hit enough to DH, on McCann, I am sure Joe can juggle him with Sori and Beltran.

  122. realityspeaks December 6th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    HubbuchNYP: The Yankees’ disabled list should have its own beat writer next season

  123. jackamir December 6th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Gardner & prospects will get the Yanks a #3. I’ll take Porcello or Danks & take a flyer on Halladay.

  124. luis December 6th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Realityspeaks,

    It seems to be the case…. Maybe they think they got lucky, not as a result of a conscious effort that translated in to the core that gave us so many satisfactions

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    “Yankees home games should start at 4:30pm so their aging vet players can go to bed by 9 pm”

    Yet you were willing to give out a 10-year contract to a 31 year old so that what – games should start at 4:30 pm so that eventually that aging vet player could still go to bed by 9?

    Total hypocrisy and “convenient logic.”

    Here’s a clue for you. Cano was not going to be a platoon player. Beltran is. Don’t let his age worry you, or a 3-year contract.

    I’m out of here. I see the Debbie Downer convention has begun.

    Night all.

  126. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    Steve-

    Kind of thought that might be the case.

    Will be great if it goes down as planned.

    YT-

    They would simply backfill his position.

    Enjoy the ride.

    :)

  127. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    Tabbert December 6th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
    bigdan-

    Do you really believe Tanaka would be worth 5 wins? Verlander was worth 5.2 last year, and pitched more innings than i believe Tanaka will pitch. I think Tanaka might be worth 2- 3.5 win. Even then, it’s no sure thing that we even sign him. Still a ton of work to do.

    ______

    I’ve been discussing this for a few days now. It’s a little hard to explain. The best way to phrase it is this. WAR tells us that Verlander is worth 5 wins. But he’s not worth 5 wins to every team. He’ll be worth 5 to some teams, 3 to others and 7 to some more. It depends on how your roster is constructed and where you are on the win curve. For a team with little or no starting pitching, and a below average offense, I bet a guy like Verlander can improve their win total by 10 games. Something like Steve Carlton.

  128. Jerkface December 6th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    @eboland11 2m

    Playing devil’s advocate a moment, it isn’t too difficult envisioning next year’s Yankees lineup experiencing injury issues like this year’s

    Yea this team is pretty much loaded to the gills with injury risks. Which was the nice thing about Cano, his durability.

  129. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    I’m over Cano. He was after the most money and with taxation, the gap was much wider.

    I’ll just blame ARod who probably encouraged him to go for a record free agent offer!!!

  130. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    Luis,

    What options did the Yankees have to field home grown players in 2015 and why are they less today? Adding players does not prevent playing of good young players should any appear.

    Almonte is the only potential loser and he looked marginal to me. If Heathcott or someone else should miraculously break out an opening exists for the outfield.

  131. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    “I know the stadium will be seating my toned derriere during A LOT fewer games next season.”

    I’m sure you’ll be sorely missed.

    :roll:

    No loss. The Yankees need grown up fans, not spoiled petulant children who stomp their foot when they don’t get their way.

  132. luis December 6th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    jpb,

    Since this team has morphed from the NY Yankees to the Harlem Globetrotters… Why not?… Let have Papelblown and ditch the farm

  133. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Might as well add Choo as well; why not just sign every top OF free agent?

  134. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    MTU -

    Obviously, I haven’t read the posts today, but hopefully at least some are seeing the Cano resolution as just another step on the journey. Thankfully, there was resolution this early in the OS.

    No tears; he went for the big dough and got it. Yankees turn the page and move on.

    Fans got upset when Maris and Howard and Skowron all left.

    I’m over it….as is the FO. Now get after the BP.

  135. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Cashmoney December 6th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
    Dan, Jeter might not hit enough to DH, on McCann, I am sure Joe can juggle him with Sori and Beltran.

    ____

    So does that mean you’ll bench Jeter if he can’t play the field? That’s not going to happen. And if Jeter can walk on to the field I suspect he can hit .270. If he can’t do that or play SS, he might call it quits.

  136. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    do you really think the yankees minor leagues has a championship team in it? i dont. and i certainly dont for several years.

    ny isnt going to wait around for the yankees farmhands to turn into winners. they didnt when that crop you were talking about was being developed.

    perhaps you dont remember that they were drawing 1.6M or 1.7M and george was threatening to take the team to new jersey?

    i want them to keep the kids they have in the minors and theyre doing that by shelling out the bucks to field a competetive team now.

  137. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    luis, yes, add Papelbon by all means; he and Ells can have a reunion at Yankee Stadium. Imagine that.

  138. UpState December 6th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Sandoval ???

    There’s a Full-time DH in about 20 minutes.

    Talk about clogging.

    (Industrial Roto-Rooter needed)

    No thank you !

  139. blake December 6th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Sign Choo too! Love Beltran….risky deal but love the player and always wanted him in pinstripes

  140. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
    Luis,

    What options did the Yankees have to field home grown players in 2015 and why are they less today? Adding players does not prevent playing of good young players should any appear.

    Almonte is the only potential loser and he looked marginal to me. If Heathcott or someone else should miraculously break out an opening exists for the outfield.

    ________

    And don’t forget, I guarantee you Ells, Gardy, Beltran and Sori won’t be healthy all year. If those young guys show they can hit in the minors they’ll get a shot.

    Wouldn’t hurt Zolio to have a nice spring training. Still have hopes for him. Having a nice season in the winter leagues now. Has shown he can hit in the upper levels. The only one except maybe Murphy who has done that.

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    “do you really think the yankees minor leagues has a championship team in it? i dont. and i certainly dont for several years.”

    According to the way people here raved about the minors, I would have thought that the Yankees could have just defaulted their entire time and taken everyone from the minors. What happened to all the heavy hitters we kept hearing about?

  142. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    not out on the limb pick but their were a few directions they could have went in…when Cano was out then it had to be Choo or Beltran. KC was in on Beltran and he was waiting for the NYY to jump in which they did…my guess Choo ends up in Boston

  143. MTU December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Steve-

    Please keep adding your insights.

    They are much appreciated.

    At least by me.

    :)

  144. emmy December 6th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Trisha, don’t start with me. This is a blog and I am expressing my thoughts on the TEAM and its decisions. You have an opinion and I have mine. I respect yours and haven’t attacked you, so get off my back.

    Talk about “children” ……. some “grown-up” you are.

  145. Cashmoney December 6th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Dan, I think Jeter will sit a lot if he can’t hit better than Beltran/Sor and is not on the field. But what I really envision is Jeter playing 6/7 days until his legs fall off after the first week or so. I think Joe will use the best candidate at DH as you said ‘brand new territory”.

  146. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    I guess your middle of the order is now Tex, McCann and Beltran.

    Beltran until he’s 40, though? Ugh..

  147. exiledintampa December 6th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Incarcerated Bob IBN?@incarceratedbob1m
    I know one thing.. Give me Carlos Beltran in a clutch at bat in October over Cano anyday of the week

  148. Melkmanisinhotlanta December 6th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    “I know the stadium will be seating my toned derriere during A LOT fewer games next season.”

    I’m sure you’ll be sorely missed.

    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    So it would hurt a person’s hand to spank?

  149. JWeav December 6th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Yanks are the prettiest team in baseball now! It’s important for the YES network. The Yankees are a television show. Who cares if they only win 82 games.

  150. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    One thing I like about both Ells and Beltran. They don’t shrink when the lights get hot. Yanks could use some of that to spread around.

    The key is Beltran’s knees. Can he stay healthy. Three years is too long of course but I could possibly see him turning back the clock this first year and giving MVP a shot. Just on pure will and elation. And he is a pretty talented ball player too.

  151. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Adding players does not prevent playing of good young players should any appear.

    ——————–

    That’s the problem they don’t have any to appear. Someone said it best on another board after Jeter leaves at the end of next yr there is no homegrown player to latch onto hell is there any player to latch onto period. Not saying Cano was a legend in the making and no the Yankees should not have matched the deal but he was a homegrown player that you could at least enjoy watching play as he continued building a HOF career as thee guy on the team. I’m not going to watch less or not root for the club but it’s going to be weird. I’m not prospect at every position guy nor I’m a free agent at every position but the whole team is going to be filled with guys from other places.

  152. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Wanzies

    Is this updated budget breakdown about right?

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....get-12613/

  153. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Pat M. December 6th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
    Man this could be the most seasoned Yankee ballclub since WW II
    ——————————-
    crazy stuff and they aren’t done yet….I see another SP,RP,IF..a player or two in that OF are leaving..1 by trade and 1 they will cut loose

  154. luis December 6th, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Mac,

    Cano is gone… I know they had two routes: 1) Rebuild and go below the cap or 2) Spend… They chose the second, but in the process missed their more important component (Cano)… Regardless, I thought the right way to go about it was to go through a rebuilding process… The spending route was a distant second in my view, but first they needed to overhaul the FO. They didn’t, which meant going the spending route since the FO is simply not prepared to execute a rebuilding process.

    We are back in the 80′s…. I hope they ban the owner again, so a guy like Stick Michaels can do his magic again

  155. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    and yes GF Gardner is going somewhere

  156. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    “not out on the limb pick but their were a few directions they could have went in…when Cano was out then it had to be Choo or Beltran. KC was in on Beltran and he was waiting for the NYY to jump in which they did…my guess Choo ends up in Boston”

    ———

    I think Detroit gets Choo. Boston gets Kemp. Hope they pay a lot for him.

  157. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    joeman -

    I’m hearing there is a bit of a bidding war between Boston, Texas and Detroit for Choo. And that Seattle is lurking.

  158. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Beltran wanted 4 years from KC

  159. Yes You McCann December 6th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    It’s clear that Cashman doesn’t have a plan.

  160. searay26 December 6th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Cano’s representatives approached the Yankees earlier this week and lowered their demands to $235MM over the club’s choice of eight, nine or 10 seasons, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports. The Yankees countered with a seven-year, $175MM offer that they claimed was “their breaking point.”

    LOL. That was nice of Cano. You don’t have to pay me for ten years, I’ll only work 8 years for my 235 million if it helps you out!

  161. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    bigdan -

    That would be my guess… he is a perfect fit for what Detroit needs, and frankly, has done so far this OS.

    Though, the Yankees are still lurking on Choo as well.

  162. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    I guess I don’t think your “toned derriere” (as if anyone cares) is that important to the New York Yankees. Just my opinion of course.

    My opinion also is that any purported fan who decides to turn their back on the team because their favorite player ends up elsewhere isn’t a loss of a fan at all. I’m always amazed when someone threatens to trot off because something didn’t go their way. Isn’t that taking yourself a bit too seriously?

    Whoever you are, you’re pretty late to the party. You come on the forum when the deal is sealed and opine that he will still sign with the Yankees? Really? You still thinking it’s going to happen?

  163. Dill Pickler December 6th, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    “LOL. That was nice of Cano. You don’t have to pay me for ten years, I’ll only work 8 years for my 235 million if it helps you out!”

    It’s called negotiating.

  164. emmy December 6th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    And now, really, good night to all of you!

  165. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    ?@FeinsandNYDN

    With Beltran taking over right field duties from Ichiro, the Yankees actually get younger with this move. Pretty funny, actually.

    ————–

    Yeah I can hardly stop laughing.. :|

  166. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
    joeman December 6th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    “not out on the limb pick but their were a few directions they could have went in…when Cano was out then it had to be Choo or Beltran. KC was in on Beltran and he was waiting for the NYY to jump in which they did…my guess Choo ends up in Boston”

    ———

    I think Detroit gets Choo. Boston gets Kemp. Hope they pay a lot for him.
    ————————————–
    forgot about Kemp…if they are going to deal him the RS do have the pieces to give up for him ….still think Choo gets to Boston

  167. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    id say the middle of the order is beltran soriano tex, mccann, johnson

  168. exiledintampa December 6th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    The Yankees’ disabled list should have its own beat writer next season.

  169. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Maybe we should invest in some http://deathwishcoffee.com/ to keep our energy level up.

    Given the choice, I’d rather Boston gets Choo over Kemp.

  170. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    You know Boston is going to make a big move here sometime. They ain’t going to let all this happen around them. I’m sure they got some bank saved. Kemp is the move they can make and say they are smarter than everyone else. I hope they are wrong.

  171. luis December 6th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    YF,

    :D I would like to see that… In truth, this moves play well with the casual fan… They will fill those seats

  172. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    Beltran and Soriano as your 3 and 4?

    I dunno about that.

  173. emmy December 6th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    Trisha, good night. Sleep tight.

    Go pick a fight with someone else ;)

  174. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    I’ve heard for months that if Ichiro gets “squeezed out”, either SD or SF would look at him.

  175. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    “It’s clear that Cashman doesn’t have a plan.”

    Okay, I’ll bite. What makes you say that?

    BTW, Carlos Beltran, he of the 296 AVG, had 24 home runs this year and 84 ribbies. This is his 11th season in a row with 20 or more home runs.

  176. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    ?@AnthonyMcCarron

    Jay-Z helped Robbie get that $240 million and got 9 Grammy nominations? Have a day, Jay

  177. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    bigdan -

    My guess is that you’ll see the Red Sox look to move some pitching at the WM so they can afford a big fish. They are up against the cap at this point.

  178. Dill Pickler December 6th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    You gotta put Soriano behind McCann.

    Beltran-McCann-Soriano-Tex. Switchy-Lefty-Righty-Switchy.

  179. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    “Trisha, good night. Sleep tight.

    Go pick a fight with someone else ;)

    Hopefully sanity will now prevail and nobody will be guessing that Robby will still sign with the Yankees.

    :)

    Go and spend that extra money on some nice Christmas presents for yourself. Chocolate is great for depression. Now that you won’t be going to games, you can afford to buy a season’s worth and freeze it!

  180. yankinvegas December 6th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Now we sign Infante and Tanaka – if he’s not posted I hold my nose and go for Matt Garza, an overpay at 4 for 60.
    Sign Balfour and Scott Downs (or Logan).
    Do not trade Gardner. Extend him and Robertson now, so they don’t hit the market next year.
    Beltran, Soriano, Gardner, Ellsbury for DH and OF with either Ichiro or Almonte in reserve. I cut Wells because we are on the hook, stupidly, for 6.5 with Ichi.
    Tex, Infante, Jeter, Johnson with Ryan and Nunez
    McCann and Cervelli
    I believe that ARod will be back after 50 games, so there goes 189.
    Jeter and Alex take some DH bats as well with Ryan and Nunez going into the IF.
    Really, not a bad team at all. Some speed, some power, switch-hitters, depth and decent pitching.
    Of course we will need to stay healthy, but so do 29 other teams.
    Finally we land Carlos Beltran, 9 years after we should have!!
    And I’m really happy that we won’t be signing Choo

  181. UpState December 6th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013

    “…Funny that baseball experts talking about the deal aren’t thinking the Yankees made a big mistake. In fact I heard them say tonight the Yankees could very well be better off without him since it gives them a lot more flexibility to bring in a variety of players with the nut they would have put in his direction. They compared it to St. Louis losing Pujols and coming within one game of winning the World Series the following year.

    They also pointed out that Robby was not seen as the face of the franchise and never had the cachet that a Jeter or Mariano did…”
    ===================================

    Excellent points that many would like to ignore, good job Trisha.

  182. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    whichever OFer that lands in Boston will probably play CF unless they move Vic there

  183. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    I think they really got Beltran because he’s got a great smile, and the Yankees are thinking it will help people forget Cano.

    :lol:

    All part of the PR campaign, I guess.

  184. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Really good chocolate shouldn’t be frozen. :)

  185. Shame Spencer December 6th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    There have been a number of morally driven Yankee-strikes this season… must be a Lohud trend.

  186. Tabbert December 6th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    bigdan- I have honestly never thought of it that way. You might very well be right. I’m still a bit worried about next years team. Maybe the Yankee truly have a plan. What if they planned on getting under 189, bringing in big names to please the fans, while all along knowing this was a transition off-season in which they locked up Ells and Mac, thinking that would be their new core. They then go all out again next off-season and sign a guy like Hanley, and any other big name free agent?

  187. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    joeman -

    Kemp makes more sense for the Red Sox than Choo. They need a RH bat, they need a better CF than Bradley. They have to juice to refill the farm in LA. Good match for both teams.

    Choo makes perfect sense for Detroit. They need a LF, a leadoff hitter and don’t need a lot of D from their LF (Choo is perfect in that regard…lol).

  188. yankinvegas December 6th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    Plus we really do have some flexibility as only Ellsbury is signed for more than 5 years. Other than McCann’s option.
    Plus we have chips now and some young pitching coming. I believe in Banuelos and Pineda.
    Joe Benigno said it best today, the Yankees didn’t really want cano, and he pointed to the playoffs in 2012 and the fact that he never really stepped up when guys were out of the lineup.

  189. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    It’s still a little early for this but the Yanks really need to plan as well as they can for possible injuries. They’re roster is a disabled list waiting to happen. That’s one of the reasons I wanted Choo over Beltran earlier. Johnson is a good move. They are going to need some young players to step up this time. Spring training should be used as a huge audition for the B and C teams. Scranton needs to be like the old Newark Bears.

  190. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    I read somewhere today Cashman is interested in bringing back Logan. He has been pretty consistent in his years here. He gets little love, but he’s pretty good.

  191. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Thanks Upstate. Losing Cano hurts. But it isn’t fatal. He wanted the bucks and the years, so be it. Move on.

  192. Tabbert December 6th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Trisha- It’s not that simple. The Cardinals had a great plan in place, because they knew what type of farm system they had. They were able to sign guys, plus trust the fact that they would get solid value out of their farm. This is different. The Yankees don’t have any players about to hit the bigs that will make a big impact on the cheap.

  193. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    This does not have to mean that Gardner is gone at all. Jeter and McCann do not have to dh on their off days, nor does anyone else.

  194. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    PAPS lost mph on his FB last two years so I read…could use a closer here and leave DRob right where he belongs…

  195. Ys Guy December 6th, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    mc cann is your cleanup hitter? he’s gonna sit for at least 40 games. pretty disruptive to the lineup.

    beltran is the better hitter. and tex is a better hitter, too.

  196. LGY December 6th, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    I am a huge Beltran fan.

    Have advocated acquiring him time and time again over the years. I thought he was a perfect fit a couple years ago when St Louis snatched him up. Argued that whole winter on this board that the Yanks needed to sign him.

    But, as usual, it seems like the Yankees are late to the party on this one. I think the time to sign Beltran has passed.

    I really, really want to like this move but don’t see it turning out well.

  197. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
    This does not have to mean that Gardner is gone at all. Jeter and McCann do not have to dh on their off days, nor does anyone else.
    ———————————————————-
    guess Sori and Tex will DH some

  198. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    They are going to need some young players to step up this time

    ———–’

    That probably won’t happen

  199. UpState December 6th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
    “do you really think the yankees minor leagues has a championship team in it? i dont. and i certainly dont for several years.”

    According to the way people here raved about the minors, I would have thought that the Yankees could have just defaulted their entire time and taken everyone from the minors. What happened to all the heavy hitters we kept hearing about?

    ======================================

    MUSTY.

    That Mustilunger guy that was our savior ???

    Where’s he been ?

    What’s he been doing ?

  200. Dill Pickler December 6th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    This does not have to mean that Gardner is gone at all. Jeter and McCann do not have to dh on their off days, nor does anyone else.

    ———————————————————–

    Agree. McCann won’t be dhing much unless we carry a third catcher (you don’t DH your second catcher because if something happens to the catcher then you lose the dh).

    Beltran/Soriano share RF and DH.

  201. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Gardner is as good as gone…and I can’t wait, will run his butt out of here too

  202. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Tabbert, yep. If only we had the Cards player development abilities.

  203. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Once again an illustration of the difference in the perception of the experts and the fans. Harold Reynolds just said that he thought last year was the best year in the tenure of Brian Cashman, his best year as GM. Experts were also picking Girardi as potential MOY if the Ys made the postseason. They saw what Girardi did as phenomenal in the face of the nonstop injuries. Yet some fans here totally denied that injuries had anything to do with the Yankees not making the postseason.

  204. LGY December 6th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    St Louis is one of the best run organizations in MLB. Maybe the best.

    Them letting him walk after how he has produced the past 2 years is not a good sign.

  205. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Cervelli is next

  206. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    They are at 180ish now even if Arod is suspended all season

  207. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    Sori is going to play LF

  208. jmills December 6th, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    I believe in, Adam Lind!

  209. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    “This does not have to mean that Gardner is gone at all. Jeter and McCann do not have to dh on their off days, nor does anyone else.”

    You miss my point. What if DH is only way Jeter can get into the line-up? What if the Yanks decide they are a much better team with Ryan as their SS? I believe both of these conditions are more likely than not.

  210. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    “Really good chocolate shouldn’t be frozen. :)

    How about refrigerated?

  211. LGY December 6th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Cashman traded for Vernon Wells last year.

    That automatic lifetime disqualification from any best lists.

  212. jmills December 6th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Goins is my second b-man, fantastique glove!

  213. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    @YankeesWFAN: This would work RT @JonHeymanCBS: #SFGiants writers speculating ichiro for them. makes sense. they like him.

  214. UpState December 6th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Tabbert December 6th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    “… The Yankees don’t have any players about to hit the bigs that will make a big impact on the cheap…”
    ==============================

    Hence, we don’t have any in our starting lineup.

    …or should we just NOT get any FA’s and plug in kids that either suck or aren’t ready ???

    Read the cards you have in your hand; analyze; bet; and ….play !

  215. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
    joeman -

    Kemp makes more sense for the Red Sox than Choo. They need a RH bat, they need a better CF than Bradley. They have to juice to refill the farm in LA. Good match for both teams.

    Choo makes perfect sense for Detroit. They need a LF, a leadoff hitter and don’t need a lot of D from their LF (Choo is perfect in that regard…lol).
    —————————–
    could be right

  216. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    LGY – Beltran had some really good stats last year. Maybe there won’t be much off a drop off.

  217. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Harold Reynolds just said that he thought last year was the best year in the tenure of Brian Cashman, his best year as GM.

    ———————————

    How was last yr his best as a GM? It exposed the lack of depth and no minor league players ready to step in.

    I agree about Girardi. He did a great job last yr.

  218. Dill Pickler December 6th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Once again an illustration of the difference in the perception of the experts and the fans. Harold Reynolds just said that he thought last year was the best year in the tenure of Brian Cashman, his best year as GM. Experts were also picking Girardi as potential MOY if the Ys made the postseason. They saw what Girardi did as phenomenal in the face of the nonstop injuries. Yet some fans here totally denied that injuries had anything to do with the Yankees not making the postseason.

    ——————————————————–

    Harold Reynolds is an ass-grabbing clown.

  219. Yes You McCann December 6th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    There’s no plan.

  220. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Ewww..Cano in an ugly Mariners hat…
    ———

    @JosephAuriemma

    Cano at the Winter League donning his new hat. pic.twitter.com/EdYBmvDL3A

  221. jmills December 6th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    I don’t know anything about chocolate, but I think Juliette Binoch made a movie about it.

  222. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    “@YankeesWFAN: This would work RT @JonHeymanCBS: #SFGiants writers speculating ichiro for them. makes sense. they like him.”

    Please, please.

  223. Yankee Trader December 6th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Good night all.
    189 will soon be toast.

  224. jmills December 6th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    ” Binoche “

  225. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Please take Ichiro giants

  226. luis December 6th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    LGY,

    They are the best run baseball team in the bigs…. They know exactly when to cut ties with players and they have a sound backup plan to support it… If the let Beltran go, it is a bad sign… Same goes with the Sox…

  227. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    http://www.joepastry.com/2012/.....chocolate/

  228. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    don’t see how ichiro fits with SF

  229. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    Hence, we don’t have any in our starting lineup.

    …or should we just NOT get any FA’s and plug in kids that either suck or aren’t ready ???

    —————————-

    After 8 yrs they should have at least a couple of kids be able to step in and contribute no

    “We have the most money, no secret about that. If we combine that with the best decision-making process on a consistent basis, God help the rest of baseball,” – Cashman

    God help them lol

  230. UpState December 6th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
    blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    “@YankeesWFAN: This would work RT @JonHeymanCBS: #SFGiants writers speculating ichiro for them. makes sense. they like him.”

    Please, please.
    =======================

    ….but not for that Panda clown…get a 22 YO something !

  231. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    The best, and I think only real good reason to keep Gardy is depth. But for him, who’s your back up center fielder? A season can hit the skids fast without a good back up SS or CF.

    If they did trade him, they’d have to address that somehow.

  232. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    austinmac -

    Good call on Logan…. he’s on my “get list”.

    bigdan – Like I just said, Ichiro has been on the SD/SF watchlist for awhile. Good match in SF, IMO.

    blake – 183.76 w/o Arod and 216.76 with him.

  233. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    Against – I’m just reporting what was just said.

    jmills- Like Water for Chocolate.

    :)

  234. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    I think if Jeter is not the starting ss it means he is hurting, and they won’t have a hobbled Jeter dhing.

  235. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    “don’t see how ichiro fits with SF”

    There are a lot of Japanese folks in the stands? Ok, I take that back as inappropriate.

  236. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
    Against – I’m just reporting what was just said.

    —————–

    I understand no problem with that.

  237. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    JF said this earlier today and I agree.

  238. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    @RobertMurrayMLB

    Source tells me that Robinson Cano’s camp was “furious” over Jacoby Ellsbury deal with the #Yankees.

  239. UpState December 6th, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
    Hence, we don’t have any in our starting lineup.

    …or should we just NOT get any FA’s and plug in kids that either suck or aren’t ready ???

    —————————-

    After 8 yrs they should have at least a couple of kids be able to step in and contribute no

    “We have the most money, no secret about that. If we combine that with the best decision-making process on a consistent basis, God help the rest of baseball,” – Cashman

    God help them lol
    =============================

    But they don’t.
    Drafting (unless it’s the well-publicized studs) is a crapshoot.
    That means sometimes your lucky – sometimes you’re not.
    …and sometimes you trade them (hence: a primary purpose of a farm) !

  240. Pat M. December 6th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    joeman… I do think Vernon is toast in NYC and I can’t see them being able to move Ichiro or even wanting to move him. Gardner isn’t going to bring back a lot by himself but package him and get some young player in return … LGY, I need a PO Box # or address so I can move these Ritter Bars in your direction

  241. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
    joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    “don’t see how ichiro fits with SF”

    There are a lot of Japanese folks in the stands? Ok, I take that back as inappropriate.
    —————————
    Sea too

  242. UpState December 6th, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
    joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    “don’t see how ichiro fits with SF”

    There are a lot of Japanese folks in the stands? Ok, I take that back as inappropriate.
    ===============================
    not inappropriate…a reasonable question every person in every marketing department would ask.

  243. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    Pat M. December 6th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
    joeman… I do think Vernon is toast in NYC and I can’t see them being able to move Ichiro or even wanting to move him. Gardner isn’t going to bring back a lot by himself but package him and get some young player in return … LGY, I need a PO Box # or address so I can move these Ritter Bars in your direction
    —————————————————–
    even if they don’t move Gardner he will loose a lot of AB’s & become more of a pinch runner ..defensive replacement player

  244. Irreverent Discourse December 6th, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    A source tells me that Cano is not talking to any “sources”.

    A source also tells me that if a player signs for a contract, it doesn’t mean the team he was playing for “let him go”.

  245. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    “Source tells me that Robinson Cano’s camp was “furious” over Jacoby Ellsbury deal with the #Yankees.”

    Isn’t that too f’n bad. His camp apparently overplayed their hand and didn’t have a clue about real negotiating. Cry me a river.

  246. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    But they don’t.
    Drafting (unless it’s the well-publicized studs) is a crapshoot.
    That means sometimes your lucky – sometimes you’re not.
    …and sometimes you trade them (hence: a primary purpose of a farm) !

    ——————

    After 8 yrs they should have something. They can’t even pump out average prospects wtf

  247. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    bigdan -

    To add to your earlier comment… I think ST is audition time for the youngsters in CF as well. Time for one of them to prove they can play the position. Almonte has played CF in the past.

  248. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    ID – good post.

    Upstate – absolutely great wisdom in your posts.

  249. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    $310MM to McCann to Ellsbury to Johnson to Seattle to Beltran

    If I didn’t know better, I’d think somebody was planning all this.

  250. Yes You McCann December 6th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    On the bright side, Robinson Cano is best friends with A-Rod and Melky Cabrera. Maybe it’s for the best. Cano has been elite for some time now, he burst onto the scene out of nowhere, it’s not unreasonable to think he’s a juicer like those two. Best to not get stuck with another A-Rod contract and the fallout.

  251. Game of Inches December 6th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Tabbert, yep. If only we had the Cards player development abilities.

    This.

    For the last 10 years the team has not developed a strong farm system – call it what you want- lousy talent evaluation, bad luck, risks that didn’t pan out, ignoring the IFA market, whatever. They need to get back to that & pronto – bring in guys that know what they’re doing, cause this org’s personnel sure as hell doesn’t.

    Start phasing in complementary pieces from the minors with FA signings – an INF here, OF there, P other there, cause there won’t be an unlimited reservoir of talent to poach. Teams are wising up & locking their arb eligible players early. If we don’t adjust, not that long down the road we could be staring at the late 80s all over again.

  252. YankeesFanMan December 6th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    I don’t get it the first thing a lot of people want to do is get rid of Gardner now that there is an OF jam? Really? You get rid of Wells/Soriano/Ichiro before you get rid of a cheap, young, good player like Gardner. In this spending spree the last thing they need to do is ship off good cheap talent – it’s not like they have it piled up in the farm.

    Still don’t get why if you are throwing around this kind of money you don’t just bump it up and get Choo.

  253. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    This is what I like to hear…
    ————

    @DavidWaldstein

    Friend of Beltran’s says he is “over the moon” to finally be a Yankee.

  254. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    Time for one of them to prove they can play the position.

    ———————–

    And if they fail and these guys with injury histories all get hurt what happens

  255. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
    “Source tells me that Robinson Cano’s camp was “furious” over Jacoby Ellsbury deal with the #Yankees.”

    Isn’t that too f’n bad. His camp apparently overplayed their hand and didn’t have a clue about real negotiating. Cry me a river.
    ————————————–
    WOW..
    ————————
    trisha..will be at the DD Center on 1/18 Creighton will be in town

  256. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    Doesn’t matter if they were mad, in the end 240 mil trumped any reasonable offer the Yankees could make.

  257. luis December 6th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    Steve,

    Why CF?…. Isn’t it Ellsbury our brand new CF… The way I see it, the only players from the farm with shot are corner Ofers ( Austin, Flores and Almonte )… Williams and Heathcott are blocked for the forseeable future, unless they switch positions or Ellsbury’s abilities take a nosedive . To me, they are on the trading block at some point

  258. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Don’t trade Ichi until Tanaka is in the fold.

    And think the hate on Cano is just bad form. He was a great Yankee. He left. Deal with it, and stop crucifying him.

    Trish, ideally no to chocolate in the fridge. Only in the summer if you don’t have AC should it be stored in fridge, but with good chocolate avoid if you can.

  259. searay26 December 6th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Cano obviously was going where the most money was whether he was pissed off or not. He wanted 235 from New York – apparently the years weren’t important. Even if they went up to 8 years on him, he’s not going to be worth almost 30 mil a year down the road.

  260. Game of Inches December 6th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    FWIW, I think Choo’s headed to DET or TEX.

    Kemp to BOS wouldn’t shock me, since them & LA apparently are now best buds with their monopoly money.

  261. Pat M. December 6th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    joeman. Gardner will return to what he really is, a 4th outfielder. We should keep track of how many of the same people will keep blaming Jacoby Ellsbury for Cano walking away from NY. Hey, 245 million dollars is why he split, and he declined the notion for an extenstion back in May while Ellsbury was leading Boston to 1ts place in the AL East. He at that time threw out the 300 million dollar price tag

  262. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    “On the bright side, Robinson Cano is best friends with A-Rod and Melky Cabrera.”

    I don’t believe for a minute that Arod didn’t give Robby advice. This is the same guy who basically got caught with steroids dripping out of his mouth and said he wasn’t taking any. I wouldn’t trust him to steer Robby in the right direction, that would be toward the Bronx. And if Robby’s team was ‘FURIOUS” about the Ellsbury signing (how mature), you can bet that someone was in there letting them know how disrespectful it was to Robby. :roll:

    Maybe Joe Tacopina!

    :D

  263. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    “blake – 183.76 w/o Arod and 216.76 with him.”

    Yup….189 virtually impossible now unless they literally do nothing else and Arod misses season

  264. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    cheap, young, good player like Gardner. at the end of 14 he will be 31 and a FA looking for $ & years just like every other early 30 something player..

  265. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    Gardner, Nova and Robertson are all better than average players.

  266. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    @DavidWaldstein

    Friend of Beltran’s says he is “over the moon” to finally be a Yankee.

    I would be over the moon if it was 9 years ago

  267. luis December 6th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    Inches,

    We are already back in to the 80′s….

  268. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    “…cause there won’t be an unlimited reservoir of talent to poach. Teams are wising up & locking their arb eligible players early. If we don’t adjust, not that long down the road we could be staring at the late 80s all over again.”

    There hasn’t been a reservoir of talent. The landscape changed a few years ago, but we didn’t change with it. We are likely the only team in baseball without any young, cost controlled position player starters on our team. It is mind boggling really.

    Odds, yep, Cash said it, but how many years later it is the furthest thing from a reality.

  269. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    I think that the Yanks didn’t offer Cano the 8th year or more money because they were tired of being asked for ridiculous amounts of money in order for him to stay. The organization wants to feel like a player wants to be here and not need every last dollar. This is the Yankees not the Royals or a lower class organization. They don’t have to beg guys and they knew that he was after every last dollar and it turned them off.

  270. Game of Inches December 6th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    YankeesFanMan December 6th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    I don’t get it the first thing a lot of people want to do is get rid of Gardner now that there is an OF jam? Really? You get rid of Wells/Soriano/Ichiro before you get rid of a cheap, young, good player like Gardner. In this spending spree the last thing they need to do is ship off good cheap talent – it’s not like they have it piled up in the farm.

    Like GGBG too but he’s the most valuable trading chip they’ve got right now to fill needs elsewhere (2B, 3B, SP)

  271. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    joeman – let’s meet for a hot chocolate!

    YF, sadly, chocolate doesn’t last long enough for me to ever worry about having to do anything with it long term. Truth.

    I am seriously not at all upset with Robby. I wish he was with us, but he’s moved on and I only hope he ends up being happy.

    I’m disgusted with the people around him, but that’s a totally different story.

  272. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Sign Choo and trade Gardner for a 3B or Sp

  273. luis December 6th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    YF,

    8 years if I am not mistaken

  274. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    luis, yep. It gives me a sick feeling in my stomach, but it is what it is. I still have high hopes for my young uns, but this 80′s vibe is troubling.

  275. Yes You McCann December 6th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    I would be over-the-moon thrilled if Cano was outed as a drug user in the next couple years, meaning that our decision not to make a serious effort (in their view) at re-signing him was the right decision.

  276. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
    Gardner, Nova and Robertson are all better than average players.
    ———————————————-
    wonder what that package would bring back

  277. wanzies222 December 6th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    luis -

    CF because it’s the most demanding. Corner OF is a little easier to fill in case of injury (Johnson, Baker if he’s on the roster). Ellsbury won’t be in CF for 162, so someone will have to play there.

    If Gardner is moved, might have to keep Ichiro if Almonte can’t handle it (which I believe he can).

    Of course if Choo is added, then it’s all moot.

  278. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    Or get Kemp somehow…

  279. YankeesFanMan December 6th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    Some of the people who actually want to link Cano with roids are pretty sad fans.

    I’m sad he left too but does it have to resort to personal attacks because he didn’t do what you wanted him to do?

  280. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
    Gardner, Nova and Robertson are all better than average players.

    ——————-

    Gardner is a role player and Nova is hit or miss depending on the yr.

    Drob is very very good.

  281. UpState December 6th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
    But they don’t.
    Drafting (unless it’s the well-publicized studs) is a crapshoot.
    That means sometimes your lucky – sometimes you’re not.
    …and sometimes you trade them (hence: a primary purpose of a farm) !

    ——————

    After 8 yrs they should have something. They can’t even pump out average prospects wtf
    ==============================

    Seriously – no top picks available to NYY (by MLB design) and…

    ….it’s a crapshoot !

    Some here LOVE ALL our ‘prospects’…. evidently the ML club is not too enamored with the one’s that are ‘close’ to ML level….

    Some suck…some are simply not ready.

    (some were traded away)

  282. Melkmanisinhotlanta December 6th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    Cano and Melky were two peas in a pod and tutor Aroid was always there to “mentor” them. It would be sweet justice if MLB catches the “clear” in our ex 2B person’s locker.

  283. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    Beltran clearly waited for the Yankees to see what happened with Cano and again was willing to take less money. You have to appreciate that. Welcome aboard Carlos.

  284. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    Choo would make the lineup murderous …especially vs RHP.

    Kemp would give them more balance and more upside and star power but I’m not sure that’s possible

    If they are spending and going over 189 they should sign Drew because he can play SS

  285. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    blake, it really does fill me up to read that about Beltran. Here’s a guy who always wanted to be a Yankee and offered to give a hometown discount years ago. I love anyone who respects the pinstripes. I had been thinking that we didn’t need him with the crowded outfield, and also that he might be past his best years. But we’ve seen that he is still giving a ton to the game. If he can help the Yankees – and I think he can – I don’t think he’s going to be an albatross.

    WELCOME CARLOS BELTRAN!

  286. luis December 6th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    With what Blake? Kemp will end up in Boston… After letting us overpay for Ellsbury, they will end up with an upgrade over him… Those guys do know what they do

  287. luis December 6th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    *What they are doing* sorry

  288. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
    joeman – let’s meet for a hot chocolate!
    ————————————————-
    would like to but it’s a 8pm game and the animals I’ll be with won’t allow me to drink hot chocolate ( but I do like it)

    what I would like is a VG Italian Restaurant

  289. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    Ellsbury CF
    Jeter SS
    Beltran RF
    Kemp LF
    McCann C
    Tex 1B
    Soriano DH
    Drew 3B (or SS)
    Johnson 2B

    Trade Gardner for a starter

  290. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
    Time for one of them to prove they can play the position.

    ———————–

    And if they fail and these guys with injury histories all get hurt what happens
    ___
    They dumpster dive.

  291. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    luis says:
    December 6, 2013 at 11:40 pm
    With what Blake? Kemp will end up in Boston… After letting us overpay for Ellsbury, they will end up with an upgrade over him… Those guys do know what they do

    Money….you’d just have to take his whole contract and hope that woukd offset whatever Boston was offering

  292. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    Odds, yep, Cash said it, but how many years later it is the furthest thing from a reality.

    ————————-

    8 yrs and counting. Let’s not forget Hal’s Rays with money quote.

    I mean if they have the pedigree of developing fine but that’s not the case.

  293. searay26 December 6th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    Gardner is a good role player. Go compare his and Ellsbury’s stats from last year. Very similar. One makes 22 mil, and the other less than 3, and people want to get rid of Gardner. Or sit him. I don’t get it.

  294. UpState December 6th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
    “Source tells me that Robinson Cano’s camp was “furious” over Jacoby Ellsbury deal with the #Yankees.”

    Isn’t that too f’n bad. His camp apparently overplayed their hand and didn’t have a clue about real negotiating. Cry me a river.
    ===============================

    They did overplay their hand.

    See: $31,000,000.00

    …and they apparently were more concerned/distracted with other contracts ?

    …bit sensitive ?

    $31,000,000.00

    Whiney.

    …and this is AFTER he gets $240,000,000.00 !!!

    The more that is coming out – the better this transaction/choice seems for the Yankees !

  295. Yes You McCann December 6th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    I am only suggesting the possibility, given his close friendships with A-Rod and Melky Cabrera. Very reasonable.

  296. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    I’ve always wanted Beltran…..I lobbied hard for him both other times he was a FA…..I just hope they didn’t wait too long .

    The yanks are all in now ….they have to be if they stretched 3 for Beltran.

    It is kinda interesting that they have been willing to overpay everyone this winter except Cano

  297. jacksquat December 6th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    I really wish the Padres weren’t valuing Headley so highly, he’d be nice as the 3rd switch hitter.

  298. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    This is the craziest off season I’d ever seen. The Yanks have never been this motivated. All before the winter meetings.

    So what’s next? 189 is dead. Do they spend up to their traditional budget of around $220? Do they wait a bit for the actually Arod number?

    I think they are done with the OF for now, unless there’s a trade. I think they should give the Tanaka thing about a week before going hard for starters. You have to look at 2b or 3b now I guess. I really don’t see Johnson as an adequate plug for 3b. He’s played so few games there. To me, he’s either your starting second baseman or your super utility guy. Now if you want to get to 90 wins plus, you have to upgrade 2b or 3b. Right now, your starting third baseman is Nunie!!!

  299. jmills December 6th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    You guys go for it, me and Binoche, gonna’ snicker! :(

  300. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    joeman – there are many many and you will be within spitting distance of them. Let us know what kind of money you are looking to spend and I’m sure that between YF and me we will be able to steer you in the right direction.

  301. YankeesFanMan December 6th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    “Gardner is a role player”

    What role is that? Solid MLB starter? Not saying WAR is the end all be all, but he’s probably worth the 2nd most on this team right now, if not barely behind the just inked Beltran.

  302. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    would like S Drew but you can’t sign a player like him with jeter still here, just not right

  303. Captain Clutch December 6th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    $189m is out the window. Yanks still need another starting pitcher, late inning reliever and 2nd baseman.

  304. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    8 yrs and counting. Let’s not forget Hal’s Rays with money quote.

    I mean if they have the pedigree of developing fine but that’s not the case.
    _____
    That’s why they now have reverted to scooping up FA’s. They used to be good at that when you know the best players got there. Back to the old model…

    Still I do like a lot of our prospects esp. at lower levels. Should be a fun year on the farm.

  305. YankeesFanMan December 6th, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    YankeesFanMan December 6th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
    “Gardner is a role player”

    What role is that? Solid MLB starter? Not saying WAR is the end all be all, but he’s probably worth the 2nd most on this team right now, if not barely behind the just inked Beltran.

    =======

    before we throw pitchers into this, I should clear this statement by saying position players.

  306. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    Seriously – no top picks available to NYY (by MLB design) and…

    ….it’s a crapshoot !

    Some here LOVE ALL our ‘prospects’…. evidently the ML club is not too enamored with the one’s that are ‘close’ to ML level….

    Some suck…some are simply not ready.

    (some were traded away)

    —————–

    No more we draft low excuses because when guys like Phelps have a good half season they(the FO) can’t wait to pat themselves on the back but when they fail the FO says hey it’s all back luck.

  307. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    This is the craziest off season I’d ever seen. The Yanks have never been this motivated. All before the winter meetings.”

    Never ever seen this much action before the meetings…..I can’t remember a year even close. Telling of how much money is in the game

  308. jmills December 6th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    Bigdan, hi, I think there’s a very good reason my Jays are going to self destruct next year :D

  309. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
    joeman – there are many many and you will be within spitting distance of them. Let us know what kind of money you are looking to spend and I’m sure that between YF and me we will be able to steer you in the right direction.
    —————————————————
    unlimited funds

  310. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    joeman says:
    December 6, 2013 at 11:45 pm
    would like S Drew but you can’t sign a player like him with jeter still here, just not right

    He can play 3B to start out with…..can move to SS either in 2014 if necessary or in 2015 full time.

  311. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
    8 yrs and counting. Let’s not forget Hal’s Rays with money quote.

    I mean if they have the pedigree of developing fine but that’s not the case.
    _____
    That’s why they now have reverted to scooping up FA’s. They used to be good at that when you know the best players got there. Back to the old model…

    Still I do like a lot of our prospects esp. at lower levels. Should be a fun year on the farm.

    ——-

    It should be fun but I’m not getting burned on the next wave again..I bought into what Cashman was selling yrs ago.

  312. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    “It is kinda interesting that they have been willing to overpay everyone this winter except Cano”

    They decided before this off season they didn’t really want him. When was that decision made? Don’t know for sure. Yankinvegas has been saying this for awhile. He said they soured on him over a year ago. But you could see during this off season the love was never there. And if you believe some of Cano’s dad’s comments, it seems like a two way street.

  313. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    I’ll miss Grandy too…..right move to let him go but I’ll miss him

  314. Game of Inches December 6th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    luis December 6th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    Inches,

    We are already back in to the 80?s….

    Not yet luis, at least I hope not. We at least have some prospects at P & C, other positions not so much. In the 80s they had nothing – and the team had to go in the dumper for 3 years in order to start rebuilding through the draft, trades, etc.

    Look at the Cards – when have they ever fielded a lousy team in recent history? Yet their farm system ranks among one of the best in MLB. Yes, some of it is luck, but most of it is just a well run organization & talent evaluation.

  315. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    YankeesFanMan December 6th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
    YankeesFanMan December 6th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
    “Gardner is a role player”

    What role is that? Solid MLB starter? Not saying WAR is the end all be all, but he’s probably worth the 2nd most on this team right now, if not barely behind the just inked Beltran.

    =======

    before we throw pitchers into this, I should clear this statement by saying position players.

    ————-

    I guess solid

  316. luis December 6th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    YF,

    There is a good piece on “It’s about the money stupid site” about the farm… They are bullish about it… But I wonder what for?

  317. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    again if Gardner stays he becomes a part time player who will lose a lot of AB’s..will be a pinch runner and a 8yh-9th inning OFer

  318. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    jmills December 6th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    “Bigdan, hi, I think there’s a very good reason my Jays are going to self destruct next year :D

    Well they could always party with your mayor!

  319. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    This is the craziest off season I’d ever seen. The Yanks have never been this motivated. All before the winter meetings.”

    Never ever seen this much action before the meetings…..I can’t remember a year even close. Telling of how much money is in the game
    ___
    Under this regime they’ve never had such a poor team and have never lost this kind of money, STH base, TV viewership. That’s a great motivator.

  320. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    “It is kinda interesting that they have been willing to overpay everyone this winter except Cano”

    blake, please move away from that one. Who’s making the decision that they’ve overpaid for anyone? You? Other posters? Maybe there are people who believe that they WERE overpaying with their highest offer.

    Nobody knows what went on in all of those negotiations. It is certainly sounding like Robby’s advisors let Cashman know what they were NOT willing to go under. Something made Cashman say that Robby wanted money. It is also appearing that what Cano’s advisors wanted the Yankees to overpay was well over what they found to be anywhere near reasonable.

    So you can’t say they weren’t willing to overpay for Cano because you really don’t know. That’s too simple and has seem to become an unsophisticated rallying cry for those who are disappointed the Yankees didn’t give up their first born to keep Robby.

  321. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
    joeman says:
    December 6, 2013 at 11:45 pm
    would like S Drew but you can’t sign a player like him with jeter still here, just not right

    He can play 3B to start out with…..can move to SS either in 2014 if necessary or in 2015 full time.
    —————————–
    don’t know if he ever played there

  322. jmills December 6th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    My favourite American forever remains, you know it! – Plath, thanks Sir Sylvia!!!

  323. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    “They decided before this off season they didn’t really want him. When was that decision made”

    I think they wanted him I think they just weren’t going beyond 175 no matter what and that always meant they were gonna lose him……so why didn’t they trade him?

  324. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    They are not overpaying Beltran. At least one other team offered more. Meanwhile another team gave a 31 year old 2B a ten year contract that is the third highest in history. No one else approached that amount. Now that is overpaying.

  325. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    “don’t know if he ever played there”

    If you can play elite SS like he can then you certainly can play 3B….it’s easier

  326. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    NYY new radio station next year to carry their games

  327. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    luis December 6th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
    YF,

    There is a good piece on “It’s about the money stupid site” about the farm… They are bullish about it… But I wonder what for?
    ___
    luis, there is a lot of talent there; much more than in the past. That is no lie. Come in the milb season and you can see some of them. But they still need to develop them.

  328. Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    Who’s making the decision that they’ve overpaid for anyone?

    ———————-

    Just fans, journalists, radio hosts, etc. Even ppl that like Ellsbury as a player feel it was an overpay.

  329. Don December 6th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Why did we let Granderson go? He’s younger than Beltran and still a productive player. Anyway the Mets are happy to have him.

  330. luis December 6th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Inches,

    St Louis is probably the best run organization in MLB… The Sox right now are doing very well as well… About the 80′s, I think we are, because I think they will trade most of those assets for inmediate needs… Besides, in 2015 the whole lineup will be formed out of outsiders, no local flavor… Even the 80′s teams had Donny.

    Welcome back to the Harlem Globetrotters part deux

  331. YankeesFanMan December 6th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
    again if Gardner stays he becomes a part time player who will lose a lot of AB’s..will be a pinch runner and a 8yh-9th inning OFer

    ====

    if Gardner stays and becomes a part time player you should start worrying about the talent evaluation by the higher ups because it would be a truly foolish move.

  332. charlestonchew December 6th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    Gardner is better than Soriano. A lot better. He will not lose playing time to Soriano because that makes the team worse. He will be an everyday player on this team, or at least close to it, if he doesn’t get traded. I’d say 140 games or so.

  333. LGY December 6th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    The Gardner is a 4th OF thing is maybe the most bizarre recurring theme on this blog.

    I’ll never understand the under appreciation for such a good, cheap, homegrown Yankee.

  334. Yes You McCann December 6th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    Gardner isn’t great. He is a good starter and cost-efficient.

  335. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    Okay. I definitely recommend that you make reservations, wherever you end up going.

    Do you want somewhere casual or dressy?

  336. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    Can Jay Z ever wear at Yankee hat in NY again?

  337. joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
    “don’t know if he ever played there”

    If you can play elite SS like he can then you certainly can play 3B….it’s easier
    ——————————-
    LOL….so a SS can play 3rd… but the question is can a 3rd baseman play SS

  338. yankeefeminista December 6th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    I think they wanted him I think they just weren’t going beyond 175 no matter what and that always meant they were gonna lose him……so why didn’t they trade him?
    __
    Because this way he gets vilified instead of them? Do they ever trade anyone when they should? It is funny the way so few people condemn the front office for getting essentially nada for Robi… Bad business.

  339. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 6th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    I love Gardner. I think he is undervalued and underappreciated. I want to say that I don’t believe the Yanks would trade him, but my track record on who the Yanks won’t trade isn’t great.

  340. austinmac December 6th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    I don’t see how an annual salary among the highest in baseball until he is 38 is disrespectful.

    For those who compare Beltran’s three year contract to an 8-9 year contract extending into the same age, remember just like life expectancy increases with age, so does playing expectancy.

  341. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    LOL….so a SS can play 3rd… but the question is can a 3rd baseman play SS”

    Yes….pretty much anybody that can play SS can also play 3B…..doesn’t work the opposite though.

  342. YankeesFanMan December 6th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    “Why did we let Granderson go? He’s younger than Beltran and still a productive player. Anyway the Mets are happy to have him.”

    ===

    Cheaper shorter deal and given history you’ll probably have better production offensively from Beltran. They both are not good on D so this is actually a good deal for the yankees.

  343. bigdan22 December 6th, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    luis December 6th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
    YF,

    There is a good piece on “It’s about the money stupid site” about the farm… They are bullish about it… But I wonder what for?

    _______

    I read that. It’s not a very detailed piece. But it sort of expresses something I believe and have talked about before. A farm system, at least in terms of appearance, can turn from average to superior in just two or three months. I guess there’s so much potential in young players with these types of extraordinary athletic skills, that if it gets converted to performance, even for short period, people regard it as actual talent confirmed. In law they call the process “bootstrapping.”

    It’s a good thing though because hype is a huge part of your farm system value. But you can’t hype someone who doesn’t produce at all. The Yanks just need some production to fuel the marketing machine.

  344. blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    “Because this way he gets vilified instead of them? Do they ever trade anyone when they should? It is funny the way so few people condemn the front office for getting essentially nada for Robi… Bad business.”

    I don’t blame them for not going to 240 but them taking a firm stand on cano while stretching for everyone else is strange…..I wonder if Cano being buddies with Arod strained their relationship ?

  345. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Luis,

    Again I ask you how does filling out a roster hurt player development. The whole reason we have to get all these players is the farm had no replacements.

    No one is against building from within or defending the farm system. Emphasis should be placed on it. Signing players does not, and I repeat, does not, prevent that.

  346. luis December 7th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    YF,

    Not essentially… They are getting nada… They have already lost the first round pick and both supplemental ones… If we are lucky ( no Choo ) we might get to pick on the 2nd round… Back to the 80′s…. Their sense of opportunity is as good as my “mandarin”

  347. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    YankeesFanMan December 6th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
    joeman December 6th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
    again if Gardner stays he becomes a part time player who will lose a lot of AB’s..will be a pinch runner and a 8yh-9th inning OFer

    ====

    if Gardner stays and becomes a part time player you should start worrying about the talent evaluation by the higher ups because it would be a truly foolish move.
    ———————————————
    Gardner alone can’t bring squat back in a trade so if he’s such a great value to the NYY why isn’t he a great value to other teams…nobody is breaking down the door to get at him

  348. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    @FeinsandNYDN: The signing of Beltran, Elllsbury and McCann means the Yankees will lose their first-round pick & both compensation picks (Granderson/Cano).

    Better be all in…..you’re not building a farm system like that

  349. jackamir December 7th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    Winter meetings this week… It will be anticlimactic even though there is plenty of work to be done… Cashman & his staff will be stealth but effective…Some prospects will be forfeited to win now!!!!

  350. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 7th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    “I think they wanted him I think they just weren’t going beyond 175 no matter what and that always meant they were gonna lose him……so why didn’t they trade him?”

    Maybe they really believed that Robby would remain a Yankee and thought the 175 would do it.

    Whenever anyone suggested trading him, I thought it was totally nutso only because I couldn’t imagine that Robby wouldn’t be with the Yankees forever and ever. I don’t think the Yankees would have traded him because they expected to get him in free agency. Sweeny Murti was on MLB Baseball Tonight and they asked him if he believed that the Yankees really wanted Cano. He sounded like he was in disbelief when he answered them. He said “Of course they really wanted him. They offered him 175 mil (or whatever it was.) You don’t offer that kind of money to someone you don’t really want.

    Good point, Sweeny.

  351. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:02 am

    The things I miss when I step away for awhile.

  352. chicken_stanley December 7th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    I’m beginning to re-think things. Originally, I was ready for Gardner to be moved to bring back needed pieces… now I’m hoping the Yankees sign him to an extension so I can hear all folks saying “role player” and “4th outfielder” b!tch and moan!. What a joke! If you really believe he’s not a solid starter…. whatever!

  353. bigdan22 December 7th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:01 am
    @FeinsandNYDN: The signing of Beltran, Elllsbury and McCann means the Yankees will lose their first-round pick & both compensation picks (Granderson/Cano).

    “Better be all in…..you’re not building a farm system like that”

    I think the worst part is the lack of pool money to spend on the picks they’ll have left. Those three guys last year better do something.

  354. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    blake, I am not sure what the issue was, and we probably won’t ever know. However, anyone who doesn’t get why offering 7/175 while giving 7/153 to Ellsbury is a diss, just isn’t paying attention.

    That farm piece was truly unsubstantive. But we do have a lot of nice pieces including those 2011 and 12 IFA’s. Excited to see games in Lakewood, SI, and Trenton next year.

  355. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    “Maybe they really believed that Robby would remain a Yankee and thought the 175 would do it.”

    If I knew it would always take at least 200 then they should have too…..just being real….I think they knew all along 175 wouldn’t get it done

  356. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    I don’t think they overpaid for anyone other than perhaps Ellsbury. McCann got about what was predicted before the inflation hit, Beltran got less than others offered and Kuroda and Johnson seem in line.

    Every pundit said Ellsbury was the second best free agent. Just like there was always going to be strong completion for Cano, there was always going to be some for Ellsbury as well.

  357. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 7th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Uh, they didn’t stretch for anyone else. There weren’t negotiations. There were offers. They knew where they were going with Robby so therefore it didn’t seem that they streeetched with him. If the other players were under their control theretofore, it probably wouldn’t seem like they stretched with them either. Totally perceptual. Again, you weren’t privy to the negotiation process, the one that started as soon as the season was over, or probably really even before then.

  358. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Signing players does not, and I repeat, does not, prevent that.

    ——————

    True it doesn’t and these moves are being made to give the farm more time. The issue is by signing these players and losing picks you’re once again relying on players that have taken steps back over the yrs to more bounce back and get closer to MLB.

  359. Pat M. December 7th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    Cheap and homegrown seem to have an inflated value here, however it doesn’t translate into wins . Looks swell on a spread sheet though, but can’t hit a slider

  360. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    Gardner seriously had his best technical hitting year. In Sept., he had some of the best AB’s I have ever seen him have. He stopped being so passive at the plate and started driving the ball. Even though he walked less, his LD rates were up to around 23%.

  361. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    chicken_stanley December 7th, 2013 at 12:03 am
    I’m beginning to re-think things. Originally, I was ready for Gardner to be moved to bring back needed pieces… now I’m hoping the Yankees sign him to an extension so I can hear all folks saying “role player” and “4th outfielder” b!tch and moan!. What a joke! If you really believe he’s not a solid starter…. whatever!
    ———————————————————-
    plus for a MLB player his Baseball Instincts are bad

  362. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    “I don’t think they overpaid for anyone other than perhaps Ellsbury. McCann got about what was predicted before the inflation hit, Beltran got less than others offered and Kuroda and Johnson seem in line.”

    They gave Beltran the extra year though when they didn’t want to. McCann I agree was actually a pretty good deal

  363. YankeesFanMan December 7th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:00 am
    ———————————————
    Gardner alone can’t bring squat back in a trade so if he’s such a great value to the NYY why isn’t he a great value to other teams…nobody is breaking down the door to get at him

    ====

    How exactly do you know his value in the market? Sitting in on some calls with Cash lately? Maybe some of the reasons he hasn’t been shipped out is because he is a top tier everyday CF who has respectable hitting skills – those don’t exactly come cheap.

  364. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    Some prospects will be forfeited to win now!!!!

    —————-

    What else is new? But I’m sure cash will tell everyone how the next wave will be the one to work out

  365. pete2 December 7th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    By my calculations the Yankees will be at 181 million (incl 1 million benefits) with Arod suspended for a full year, if they trade Gardner, who I expect will make 4 million, and spend 15 million on the remaining roster spots. If Arod only gets 100 games they are over.

    So if 189 is still a goal, the Yankees are done spending on any significant free agents and must hope Pineda and some arms from the farm will suffice for the rest of the pitching staff. It also seems to mean Nunez at 3B.

    Of course, they could go over 189 and then scale down if the team does not perform to get back under.

  366. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    Pat M. says:
    December 7, 2013 at 12:06 am
    Cheap and homegrown seem to have an inflated value here, however it doesn’t translate into wins . Looks swell on a spread sheet though, but can’t hit a slider

    It does for some teams….it ends up up crappy for the yanks

  367. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    YankeesFanMan December 7th, 2013 at 12:07 am
    joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:00 am
    ———————————————
    Gardner alone can’t bring squat back in a trade so if he’s such a great value to the NYY why isn’t he a great value to other teams…nobody is breaking down the door to get at him

    ====

    How exactly do you know his value in the market? Sitting in on some calls with Cash lately? Maybe some of the reasons he hasn’t been shipped out is because he is a top tier everyday CF who has respectable hitting skills – those don’t exactly come cheap.
    ——————————
    he’s so top tier CFer that if he stays he’s moving to LF part time

  368. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    draft picks are always a toss up, and so many players also come from lower rounds.

  369. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    189 is nearly impossible unless they can trade Ichiro

  370. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    Odds, rumor is there are still some very good IFA’s on the market, so we should compensate for lost picks by going after more 2013 IFA’s even though we are over $$ wise if it is true that July 2014 is not as talented a group.

  371. luis December 7th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    Mac,

    You had the perfect storm to start a rebuilding process… How losing all the 1st and supplemental picks in the best draft since Strassbourg helps in that regard?, not to mention that we were poised to pick in the best position in 20 years?

    To be clear… I know I am in an absolute minority… But they needed to suck for a few seasons in order to rebuild the core… that means putting the WS or bust meme to in the back burner for a couple of seasons…Not happening I know…

    So they go the spending route, which will hurt them even more down the road… I was fine with it, the problem is that they are not even good at it either.

    Let me remind you that no Yankee WS Champion has won without a homegrown core except those teams of 1977-78 at the dawn of the FA era… With all this new realities, how can they keep a model ( FA’s mostly ) that won’t yield the talent needed and at the same time will prevent the team to be in a good position to get it through drafting or IFA?

    What I am trying to say is that all this moves in the end are going to be fools gold

  372. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    They currently have less than 10 million to spend and that’s with Alex gone all season…..189 might officially be done with and that’s ok as long as they go ahead and fill the rest of their holes

  373. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    Blake,

    They didn’t want to give Beltran the extra year, but they had to.

    You have said pick a lane. They have. I’m glad they are no longer pretending the team was okay. They seem to get it. Now sign some ober 23 year old Cubans.

  374. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    If the farm bombs again we all know Trout and or Harper will be a Yankee :)

  375. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    They need another infielder and another starter and then ideal another reliever…..a big cherry on too woukd be Choo or Kemp

  376. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    I wonder if we will lost any of our RPs in the rule 5. I would hope and doubt also that anyone would take Omar Luis or that he would stick on a 25 man, but it would be a downer to lose him.

  377. bigdan22 December 7th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    pete2 December 7th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    “It also seems to mean Nunez at 3B.”

    ______

    My boy will not go away!!

  378. chicken_stanley December 7th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Joeman – same old same old. If you don’t think GGBGis a valuable player then your vision is clouded for some reason or the other… I know I’m not gonna change your mind… maybe we can just agree to disagree

  379. Game of Inches December 7th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    I don’t get the love for the RS farm system all of a sudden. Maybe their hype machine is better than the NYY?

    JBJ? Really? They have Boegarts, who was an IFA, which admittedly is where the Yanks have crapped the bed. Who else?

  380. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    Beltran was always getting that extra year.

  381. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    “You have said pick a lane. They have. I’m glad they are no longer pretending the team was okay. They seem to get it. Now sign some ober 23 year old Cubans.”

    Yes I appears they are veering over into the “all in ” lane…..still have to finish the job

  382. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 7th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    “If I knew it would always take at least 200 then they should have too…..just being real….I think they knew all along 175 wouldn’t get it done”

    Again – you know nothing of what was said during the negotiation process. You have no idea what Cano’s “agent” said to Cashman that caused Cashman to say “Cano wants the money.” He didn’t just pull that thought out of his butt. if his “agent” – the same one that caused the Mariner’s to “explode” last night – told Cashman that they wouldn’t even talk to him for less than $$$$, then it would make no sense for Cashman to throw out a lesser figure just to show Yankee fans he was willing to overpay.

    Hey, I don’t need to go over ground I have no real idea about and speculate about why things weren’t done in a certain manner. I’m satisfied that my team negotiated sincerely and in good faith and made a very credible offer. If Murti thinks so, I’m more than good with it.

    Here’s my last maybe. Maybe the 175 was the last thing Cashman could make in good faith knowing that Robby was “going for the money” and that there was no way the Yankees were going to match what he was looking for.

    People have the right to go over this as much as they want to. I get that and respect it. I just am good enough with it that I find idle speculation on my part just that. So with that, GO YANKEES!!!

    :)

  383. Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    Gardner’s presence hasn’t detracted from the Yankees team. He’s made the Yankees better at an affordable price. If the Yankees were willing to spend tens of millions for a star at every position, I’d be on board with booting Gardner out the door and upgrading the position. The Yankees are not willing to do that. Players like Vernon Wells and Chris Stewart detract from the team.

  384. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    Yanks have “crapped the bed” on mlb-ready IFA’s but we have a very talented 2011 and 2012 class.

  385. YankeesFanMan December 7th, 2013 at 12:13 am

    Pat M. December 7th, 2013 at 12:06 am
    Cheap and homegrown seem to have an inflated value here, however it doesn’t translate into wins . Looks swell on a spread sheet though, but can’t hit a slider

    ====

    While I agree with you that homegrown and cheap can be a little less important to a team like the yankees, it still has it’s role. Cheap players are valuable when situations come up like this because it increases their worth to other, less revenue fortunate teams which in turn can get the yankees better pieces if used in a trade. Homegrown talent is usually where these situations come from so they in fact have a role. Yeah the yankees have more money than anyone in the MLB, but teams are getting smarter and signing their young good players a lot faster nowadays so the FA market is starting to take a hit.

  386. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:13 am

    yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:10 am
    Odds, rumor is there are still some very good IFA’s on the market, so we should compensate for lost picks by going after more 2013 IFA’s even though we are over $$ wise if it is true that July 2014 is not as talented a group.

    =============

    Hopefully that’s the case YF :)

  387. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:13 am

    chicken_stanley December 7th, 2013 at 12:11 am
    Joeman – same old same old. If you don’t think GGBGis a valuable player then your vision is clouded for some reason or the other… I know I’m not gonna change your mind… maybe we can just agree to disagree
    —————————–
    we do..nice job

  388. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:13 am

    I still don’t think they are a playoff team yet….the rotation is still pretty sketchy and the lineup is pretty reliant on old guys still.

  389. Game of Inches December 7th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    If the farm bombs again we all know Trout and or Harper will be a Yankee :)

    And, hopefully :) Harper sure seems to want to….

    Speaking of bad luck, is it true the NYY were going to draft Trout but missed out to the LAA by one pick (ironically, from the trade for Tex)?

  390. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    Luis,

    It would have been okay to have several years of a dumpster diving team in hopes these guys would draft and envelop a core? Good luck with that. I have seen them be a second division team for years. It is no fun and no guarantee of good years ahead.

    It took the Pirates 20 years to finish .500 in their home grown efforts. No need when you can add players until your own are ready, if ever.

  391. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    You have said pick a lane. They have. I’m glad they are no longer pretending the team was okay. They seem to get it. Now sign some ober 23 year old Cubans.
    ___
    Well, the dumpster diving era was ill conceived, and this IFA one won’t last long either. So, go all in, but they need to then step back and dive into the 21st century before they are left in the dust.

  392. UpState December 7th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    Against All Odds December 6th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
    Seriously – no top picks available to NYY (by MLB design) and…

    ….it’s a crapshoot !

    Some here LOVE ALL our ‘prospects’…. evidently the ML club is not too enamored with the one’s that are ‘close’ to ML level….

    Some suck…some are simply not ready.

    (some were traded away)

    —————–

    No more we draft low excuses because when guys like Phelps have a good half season they(the FO) can’t wait to pat themselves on the back but when they fail the FO says hey it’s all back luck.
    ===========================

    Unless it’s “the stud OFer from UCLA” or other 12 players like him that everybody knows and craves for…..

    ….the remaining players are simply hit or miss !

    You get a good one = Good Luck.

    You get a sucky one = Bad Luck.

    Most of us played baseball….were likely reasonably good….but at some level of competition – we sucked and that was the end of baseball for us….

    The minor leaguers are getting sorted out each day….unless you are truly one of the best –

    you will suck-out.

    (disregard any injury bad luck)

  393. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    should read, this *FA* not IFA (era) won’t last long either

  394. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    looks like a little snow here in CT tonight..sleet hitting the windows right now

  395. bigdan22 December 7th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    If you want some home grown cheap talent, find a place for Almonte next year. He’s actually earned it. Trade Ichiro, cut Wells and they’ll be room for him to show if he has the goods.

  396. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    YF,

    What would that look like?

  397. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    That’s just it Luis..every team before the FA era pretty much won with a homegrown core, with the Yankees just having two eras of WS teams and one other WS win in that time it’s kind of cherry picking to claim that no Yankee WS Champion has won without it…basically batting .500 then.

  398. YankeesFanMan December 7th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:09 am
    ——————————
    he’s so top tier CFer that if he stays he’s moving to LF part time

    ====

    He would easily be the starting LF because his value there would still be worth more than anyone else put out at the position. Ichiro would be the 4th OF and you’d probably see Beltran/Soriano alternate OF and DH time. Not hard to see.

  399. Pat M. December 7th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    joeman….I had a spirited debate with a chap here that we all have come to know so very well back in May regarding the merits of Brett Gardner. Now this person kept throwing all these flip sided stats to support his claim that Gardner was one of the top 5 outfielders in the game. Not just the AL or even the AL East, but was very clear about all of baseball. Better stick to slow pitch softball

  400. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    And, hopefully :) Harper sure seems to want to…

    —————————–

    Yes he definitely does. He could be the next face of the franchise.

  401. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    Dan,

    I prefer Almonte. He might get better. The others will only get worse.

  402. bigdan22 December 7th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:13 am

    “I still don’t think they are a playoff team yet….the rotation is still pretty sketchy and the lineup is pretty reliant on old guys still.”

    They are about at 85-86 now. Tanaka will make them a playoff contender.

  403. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Most of us who watch prospects “love” a very few, not ALL. Those who don’t watch or know the prospects are the ones who conflate the non-elite prospects with the elite ones over and over again.

  404. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Harper, please don’t sign an extension. Think of the short porch. Think of the glory.

  405. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 7th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    catcher – 29 years old
    1B – 32 years old
    2B
    SS – 38 years old
    3B

    LF (if Gardner) – 30
    CF – 30 years old
    RF – 40?

    Doesn’t seem so reliant on “old guys” to me.

  406. UpState December 7th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    blake December 6th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
    I’ll miss Grandy too…..right move to let him go but I’ll miss him
    ==============================

    Loved the guy….hope he leads the Mets in every offensive category !

    Struck out a bit to much – but such a likable player/person !

    Wish Cano had his personality, presence, and likability !

    (Wish Granderson had Cano’s talent)

  407. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    Beltran/Soriano alternate OF and DH time
    ———————————
    McCann,jeter,Tex will all need to DH along with the above….

  408. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    UpState December 7th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    ———————

    I understand bad luck happens but 8 yrs…8yrs and they’re claim to fame is we produce relievers well.

  409. bigdan22 December 7th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:17 am
    Dan,

    I prefer Almonte. He might get better. The others will only get worse

    _______

    They guy has hit in the upper levels. He’s hitting in the Dom league now. He’s never been lights out but there’s something to be said for the tortoise.

  410. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    Gardner will play LF against RHP and sit against LHP simple as that

  411. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    It will be interesting to see what the Yanks do with Gardner. They love run prevention, so they may just be drooling over having Ells and Gardner in the same outfit, contrary to what people may think. Guess it depends on what they think they can get for Gardner, but we shall see…

    And Gardner is an improved player. Any one who watched his AB’s last year should be able to see the difference. He was an awful hitter before he made the 2013 adjustments.

  412. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    There is nothing more I would prefer than a bunch of young prospects bursting on the scene. But, no amount of my checking the milb box scores daily makes it so. Not one position player has demonstrated ready, top level ability.

    How can the Yankees not sign players? They have no choice.

  413. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 7th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    “looks like a little snow here in CT tonight..sleet hitting the windows right now”

    Send it my way! I love snow.

    :)

    Good night Yankee fans. I’m going to hit the hay while the meds are still keeping things at bay.

  414. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Almonte has always killed RHP. But his RHH splits are not very good. If given the chance, he could certainly handle a platoon. But he won’t get that chance.

  415. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    I still feel Gardner is a type because of the way he plays and body type is someone who is going to burn out quickly…he even said last year he didn’t steal as much because of issues with his legs. Gardner has injury issues because style of play, Ellsbury seems to have injury issues more because of incidences in the field. I’d rather go with the guy with the bad luck, then the one who’s body gets trashed by how he plays.

  416. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    “They are about at 85-86 now. Tanaka will make them a playoff contender.”

    Yup….along with a couple of other things….but Sabathia, Kuroda, Nova, Tanaka could be a pretty good rotation

  417. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 7th, 2013 at 12:22 am
    “looks like a little snow here in CT tonight..sleet hitting the windows right now”

    Send it my way! I love snow.

    :)

    Good night Yankee fans. I’m going to hit the hay while the meds are still keeping things at bay.
    ———————————-
    just rain for you

  418. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Dan,

    Almonte looked a bit overpowered, but he seemed to know the strike zone and had some pop, particularly left handed. His right side does not look good.

    I wonder about Pirela. No press at all bit good stats.

  419. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    austin, the next wave of prospects is the test and a much more talented group. The first wave of AAA players have never been the elite ones except for those we traded away.

  420. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Wouldn’t entirely surprise me to see Soriano packaged somewhere either.

  421. chicken_stanley December 7th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    Pat M. says:December 7, 2013 at 12:16 amjoeman….I had a spirited debate with a chap here that we all have come to know so very well back in May regarding the merits of Brett Gardner. Now this person kept throwing all these flip sided stats to support his claim that Gardner was one of the top 5 outfielders in the game. Not just the AL or even the AL East, but was very clear about all of baseball. Better stick to slow pitch softball

    ———-
    I”m not suggesting that Gardner is a top 5 outfielder by any means… but to disregard what he brings to the table is just baffling to me… 4th outfielder? Nope. Role player? Nope. A very solid starter in the outfield for most teams. No more no less. To think anything less just doesn’t compute for me.

  422. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    If 189 is over they can’t not address infield…..Drew might make the most sense now because he can play SS. He’s a good player when he is healthy…..they could look at Headley but all indications are that the padres don’t like what yanks can offer

  423. Pat M. December 7th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    SJ always pumped up Almonte as being a big league player.

  424. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    I think most teams look for more out of a corner outfielder then Gardner, and quite a few are set at CF

  425. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    The reason Almonte is not going to be on the roster is not this year’s signings but the stupid ones from last year. He has perhaps earned a part time role but not for the team to leave an open starting slot.

  426. Pat M. December 7th, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Howler. I can’t see the Yanks trading away a 40 homerun hitter especially who hits from the right side where they lack power

  427. bigdan22 December 7th, 2013 at 12:28 am

    “Yup….along with a couple of other things….but Sabathia, Kuroda, Nova, Tanaka could be a pretty good rotation

    And CC is the key. You can only expect so much from Kuroda (pitch limits this year) and Nova. Tanaka is a wild card. But CC has to rebound. He was statistically one of the worst players in the game last year. Near the bottom of every pitching category for starters.

    At this point, I’d take slightly above league average for him.

  428. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    If CC isn’t better then he’s they are screwed…..

  429. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    austin, it would look like actually developing some of your own players, having cost-controlled players who aren’t second tier players. You know, like most other teams have.

  430. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    Drew would be a good addition but I don’t see it after Ryan’s signing. I do hope never to see Ryan hitting. It is almost as painful as watching Stewie.

  431. Pat M. December 7th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    Chicken Stanley. Do you see Gardner being better than Willie McGee or Vince Coleman or Brett Butler ???? No he isn’t nearly that good on an everyday basis

  432. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    Age, what they could get back, overcrowding in the outfield and at DH..need, and one of their more palatable pieces for another team to acquire if they wanted to give something up of worth.

  433. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    @JPosnanski: Yes they lost Cano. But the Yankees immediately picked up Carlos Beltran — bolstering their 2006 team. (See bottom). http://t.co/tDcONXZbig

  434. luis December 7th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    Mac,

    The problem is that the fan base and the ownership are not willing to go the route that means “Not winning for a while”…. Also, we are not Pittsburg, we can do a far better job than those guys with the resources we have… We have already done that… If I recall correctly, most fans in this site complained of the dumpster diving because ownership tried to sell them as a championship caliber team, not because they were going to concentrate in a rebuilding…

    The FA model is almost exhausted… They need to start producing players from within again… Drafting low doesn’t help in that regard… But if you want to have shot a winning now, you may have a season or two… After that, they are going to have to be bad for an extended period of time, unless the assets they have already in the farm pan out…

  435. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    Almonte can definitely hit RHP at the big league level.

    I have a good feeling about C. One more year away from the surgery, having a better sense of what he can and can’t do. I think velo will be better too if not back to what it was. Here’s hoping.

  436. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    They signed Ryan as a backup…I don’t see him blocking anybody or at least I would hope not

  437. bigdan22 December 7th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    “The reason Almonte is not going to be on the roster is not this year’s signings but the stupid ones from last year. He has perhaps earned a part time role but not for the team to leave an open starting slot.”

    ——–

    He’s in dire need of a big time spring training. James used to talk about that years ago. Lots of guys who are stuck in AAA who could be decent ML ball players but just never got hot at the right time.

  438. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:32 am

    Pat M…..have at it I’m out
    ————————-
    nite all another fun day with more to follow……one mor thing before I leave

    TRADE GARDNER PLEASE

  439. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:32 am

    If he could be packaged with someone for a good SP you’d give up the power for the pieces they have especially if they could sign another bat.

  440. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:32 am

    YF,

    That would be nice and would be in accord with Cashman’s grand plan from many years ago. Poor decisions and por development. I do have hopes for the next batch. I don’t get to see them personally, but sadly I know far too many of their stats. I should find other interests. :)

  441. UpState December 7th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:11 am
    If the farm bombs again we all know Trout and or Harper will be a Yankee :)
    ======================================

    The MLB design prevented the Yanks from ever talking to these two guys…it’ll be a long wait and will be at their option, but we may get our FIRST chance to simply talk with either of these two players.

    I hope they’d like the chance (their absolute first chance) to have a conversation with the Yankees.

  442. bigdan22 December 7th, 2013 at 12:34 am

    yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    “I have a good feeling about C. One more year away from the surgery, having a better sense of what he can and can’t do. I think velo will be better too if not back to what it was. Here’s hoping.”

    —-

    To me the velocity is almost irrelevant. His command was awful. He had no idea where is fastball was going. It kept drifting. And his CU no longer had that dead fish action. He’s really key.

  443. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:35 am

    CCs arm slot was an issue….it was lower and he was on the side of the ball a lot ….affected his command and also the tilt of his slider

  444. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:35 am

    Luis,

    I agree the free agency system is near exhaustion. But, if money doesn’t help with free agents, with international free agents, drafts, I don’t see how money helps us be better than the Pirates. Now, money can help. Use it. They should have been adding the international players for several years.

  445. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 12:37 am

    http://r1—sn-tt17rn7r.c......&mv=m

  446. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:37 am

    austinmac, that is why seeing games is preferable, you realize the stats sometimes are not indicative of the player’s play. Stats are great, but stats with qualifiers/visuals are better. JR was a case in point; I saw a lot of his ABs at Trenton, and it was mostly a case of BABIP and park factor. He showed very good plate discipline and good pitch selection. I knew he would start hitting at AAA even though he didn’t hit at Trenton. Of course he now becomes a prospective trade chip, but I don’t rely too much on stats. Same things with pitchers. They are working on different things. When you see them pitch a lot you have a fuller picture of their upside, progress. It is really fun to get to watch the prospects live. But at least there are more and more games covered on milb-tv for you out of market people.

  447. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:37 am

    I hope they’d like the chance (their absolute first chance) to have a conversation with the Yankees.

    ——————

    I hope so too. The Yankees can pitch the whole face of the organization new Yankee Era to them. We’re looking at the next 300 million dollar contracts but they would be worth it.

  448. jackamir December 7th, 2013 at 12:37 am

    How about Gardner straight up for Jose Quintana… I would do it….

  449. bigdan22 December 7th, 2013 at 12:38 am

    You could see the frustration on his face on the mound. He had no command of his fastball and he didn’t seem to know what adjustments to make. As long as he stays around 92 I think he can be ok but he absolutely needs command. And better action on his CU and slider.

  450. UpState December 7th, 2013 at 12:38 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 7th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    “…You have no idea what Cano’s “agent” said to Cashman that caused Cashman to say “Cano wants the money.” He didn’t just pull that thought out of his butt. if his “agent” – the same one that caused the Mariner’s to “explode” last night – told Cashman that they wouldn’t even talk to him for less than $$$$, then it would make no sense for Cashman to throw out a lesser figure just to show Yankee fans he was willing to overpay…”
    =====================================

    Even before this part of the negotiation….the ‘agent for Cano’ said:

    $310,000,000.00

    Not sure if the ‘agent’ had ‘carte blanche’ … or Cano approved of his offer…but the overplay right from the get-go was:

    $310,000,000.00

  451. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    We did add two of the top five-ranked IFA’s in 2012. And I can’t wait to see Avellino live. Hopefully, we also get Omar Luis back after Rule 5. Too bad we tanked on the Cubans and Darvish.

  452. luis December 7th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    Oh… And winning now is a long shot…. No homegrown core, just a bunch of FA’s by 2015… Exactly the 80′s… How many WS did we win in that decade?…. Zero!

    How many have we won since we abandoned the Sticks model and went back to free spending and damn the farm? ( 01 until 14 ) …. One, and we still had the old core

    The problem with humans is that they keep stumping with the same rock over and over again… The Yankees are a clear example

  453. UpState December 7th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:12 am
    Yanks have “crapped the bed” on mlb-ready IFA’s but we have a very talented 2011 and 2012 class.
    ================

    That is sad….and so damn true !

  454. Sweet Swinging Cano December 7th, 2013 at 12:41 am

    The Yankees have to be bad again to get great again. The problem is i dont think anyone is willing to deal with that.

  455. BoJo December 7th, 2013 at 12:42 am

    If I were offered McCann, Beltran, Ellsbury, Infante, and Johnson for Cano in a trade, I would have signed up in a NY minute. I love the idea of spreading the money around to balance an offense and defense. This team just got significantly better. Too bad the off-season wins don’t count in the standings.

  456. chicken_stanley December 7th, 2013 at 12:43 am

    Pat M. – no to Willie Mcgee. Maybe to Vince Coleman ( superior stealing bases, inferior defense). Maybe to Butler (a wizard with the bat, good fielder – Johnny Damon arm). I’m not trying to establish a spot in monument park for Gardner – but to suggest Gardner is just some podunk that fell off the potato truck makes no sense to me.

    Two points – 1. I’m just going off memory… the comparisons are based off that and nothing more. 2. I would say the potato truck reference is a southern redneck saying but I like posting here :)

  457. bigdan22 December 7th, 2013 at 12:43 am

    yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:37 am
    austinmac, that is why seeing games is preferable, you realize the stats sometimes are not indicative of the player’s play. Stats are great, but stats with qualifiers/visuals are better. JR was a case in point; I saw a lot of his ABs at Trenton, and it was mostly a case of BABIP and park factor. He showed very good plate discipline and good pitch selection. I knew he would start hitting at AAA even though he didn’t hit at Trenton. Of course he now becomes a prospective trade chip, but I don’t rely too much on stats. Same things with pitchers. They are working on different things. When you see them pitch a lot you have a fuller picture of their upside, progress. It is really fun to get to watch the prospects live. But at least there are more and more games covered on milb-tv for you out of market people.

    __________

    I agree, obviously stats are important and have to be there for the prospect to move up, but there’s no substitute for watching an athlete move on the field. You can see the athleticism, the instincts, the way the ball sounds and carries. I’m sure when watching a guy like Harper or Trout their talent must explode on a minor league field. Please keep providing those observations when you can :)

  458. luis December 7th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    Mac,

    More and better scouting network ( domestic and overseas ).. Better coaching staffs and infraestructure… That’s where the money should go… You are going to be able to pick talent that other teams won’t be able to sniff… Then you also have the resources to keep them longer which is excellent for marketing

  459. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    But C. always had command. Hope it was more the postsurgery and weight lost last year, but this year he’ll be more pinpoint. He seemed to get uncharacteristically out of whack mechanically far too often. If his velo were 92 with command with his other pitches working, that would be fine. But he also was throwing more FB and CU and less sliders which was kind of weird. He needs to have that slider working as well.

  460. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    The problem is i dont think anyone is willing to deal with that.

    —————————————-

    There is some truth to that

  461. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    See what the team of 2015 will look like in 2015, 3 months ago could anyone have predicted this team?

  462. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    wieght *loss

  463. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:45 am

    GN guys take care

  464. Sweet Swinging Cano December 7th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    I like the fact the team is being aggressive. One more sp(hopefully tanaka) a few pen arms, another infielder and they would be good. I dislike the fact they lost those three picks, but the bottomline is someone has to step up from the farm eventually. There is talent there. I hope Montgomery is our next closer.

  465. jackamir December 7th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    Dec. 7, 2013 The Yankees are better now then they were on April 1st 2013.. Furthermore the Red Sox are worse…Upside looks better.

  466. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    I think Montgomery would have to grow into the roll if that was his destiny…even Mo didn’t get the job straight out of the minors.

  467. Sweet Swinging Cano December 7th, 2013 at 12:49 am

    Well naturally. What are the feelings on Drob though?

  468. luis December 7th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    GN Odds… Good night all

  469. bigdan22 December 7th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    jackamir December 7th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    “Dec. 7, 2013 The Yankees are better now then they were on April 1st 2013.. Furthermore the Red Sox are worse…Upside looks better.”

    That’s highly debatable. The pitching doesn’t look better. Remember on April 1 we actually thought we had an ace.

  470. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    bigdan, will do. Less than 4 months until Trenton opening day. Where are you based?

    I’m sure that Harper and Trout would stand out like Hercules to mere men. I unfortunately just missed seeing Harper in Trenton b/c he was called up to AAA. Same thing in terms of the difference jumping out at you with certain pitchers with electric arms compared to mere mortal arms. I love watching young pitchers over the course of a season.

  471. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    I thought it was funny when I heard some talking head on TV talking about him saying how every time he got a chance as closer he couldn’t do the job…how many times did he get to close a game? I think he’d be fine.

  472. chicken_stanley December 7th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    Pat M. Its late on the east coast… I’m out of gas. Hope you have a good night

  473. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    Night, luis! Hang in there. Also email me your NY sched when you know it.

  474. Sweet Swinging Cano December 7th, 2013 at 12:52 am

    Talk about sss.

  475. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:53 am

    damn it is now officially below 20 degrees…I don’t want to take the dog out..especially with 25mph winds…

  476. theREALkevin December 7th, 2013 at 12:54 am

    “again if Gardner stays he becomes a part time player who will lose a lot of AB’s..will be a pinch runner and a 8yh-9th inning OFer”

    And who gets the bulk of innings in LF? Soriano, who can barely move and is horrible defensively? Washed up Ichiro? Wells LOL? Fact of the matter is, if Gardner stays he will play a lot. He could be dealt, but if he stays put he’ll see plenty of innings. Your irrational hatred for Gardner, who has easily been one of the most valuable Yankees over the past few seasons is so tiresome. Yes, a great defender with a .350+ career OBP is worthless. No one is saying the guy is an All-Star type player but he is and has been a legitimate, solid starting OF’er. He’s not a 4th OF. You’re wrong, and you always have been about that. And keep your obvious predictions coming, they are really astute. Just say the Yankees will sign whatever free agent they are most connected and to and fits an obvious need. Are you Nostradamus?

  477. Sweet Swinging Cano December 7th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    Gardner is so undervalued it is absurd. He is one of the very best defensive outfielders in all of baseball. Gives a tough ab and goes balls to the wall. I wouldn’t be so quick to deal him.

  478. UpState December 7th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    BoJo December 7th, 2013 at 12:42 am

    “…If I were offered McCann, Beltran, Ellsbury, Infante, and Johnson for Cano in a trade, I would have signed up in a NY minute…”
    ====================================

    Great way to look at the past few day !

    Yeah – it’s a good trade !

    (don’t really have Infante yet – but the concept’s great !)

  479. bigdan22 December 7th, 2013 at 12:57 am

    I’m in LA yankeefeminista. A little far from the action. I go AFL games once in awhile. But I’m originally from NY. If I were still there I’d def like to make a trip out to Trenton and see our boys. Nothing more relaxing than a summer night and minor league game. Just sit around a talk baseball all night.

    About pitchers, sometimes you can get down to the field and actually see them warm up in the fall league. That’s fun. The ball has a cool sound whizzing by :)

  480. luis December 7th, 2013 at 12:58 am

    GN YF…. Will do ;)

  481. Pat M. December 7th, 2013 at 12:59 am

    luis…..you and I both know that their chance to get well get young with a future passed starting 2 years ago when they passed on the Cuban outfielders. And their failure to reap some future earnings by not moving the few valuable assets last winter. Because had they done so this club would be younger more vibrant and not without promise. And then you add a few younger vet free agents to solidify the club. An Ellsbury type player, much like the Yanks did with Jimmy Key. I remember many Yankee fans being pissed off when Mike Stanley was allowed to leave or when they traded for Paul O. but they were key moves to a building foundation looking ahead. Yeah the Yanks are putting together a AL playoff contender but all this amounts to is deficiet spending and buying on margin. Eventually the house of cards comes down.

  482. UpState December 7th, 2013 at 12:59 am

    Sweet Swinging Cano December 7th, 2013 at 12:56 am
    Gardner is so undervalued it is absurd. He is one of the very best defensive outfielders in all of baseball. Gives a tough ab and goes balls to the wall. I wouldn’t be so quick to deal him.
    ==================================

    Might have to….Ellsbury fills his vacuum.

    He’s not a 4th OFer !

    He’s a legitimate trade chip…..we have so few of them.

  483. Sweet Swinging Cano December 7th, 2013 at 1:00 am

    For what exactly?

  484. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 1:01 am

    Guess we’ll learn Gardner’s true value when he hits FA…he’s a good player, better than avg. great defender…but I wouldn’t let him stand in anyone’s way. I think by next year a kid could take his place if there is room, and you wouldn’t have to pay his salary.

  485. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 1:03 am

    With Soriano, Ichiro and Wells gone next year if Heathcott has a great year, is it worth letting Gardner stand in his way? We love to build from within don’t we.

  486. Sweet Swinging Cano December 7th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    I want one of those young ofs to step up and take it.

  487. luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    Pat M,

    I couldn’t have put it any better… We are on the same page… Have a good one, see you tomorrow hopefully

  488. pkyankfan69 December 7th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    Beltran makes too much sense… 1 year too long of Beltran won’t kill the Yanks at all… I like Gardner but they should trade him for pitching and then trade for Kemp, sign Infante, and sign Tanaka and Balfour also.

  489. UpState December 7th, 2013 at 1:06 am

    Sweet Swinging Cano December 7th, 2013 at 1:00 am
    For what exactly?

    =======================

    Not sure….the blog here can come up with a ton of scenarios; if the question gets posted a few times and certain ‘trade gurus’ are on….

    I like :

    AZ – Davidson
    AZ – Owings
    LA – Seager

    ….to try & get younger players that can step in soon (or now).

    Before securing Ellsbury we had virtually no chips to trade.

    Ellsbury frees up Gardner.
    McCann frees up Sanchez (or other MiLB catchers)

    Robertson is a good chip – but I don’t think he’s going anywhere.

  490. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 1:07 am

    If Gardner won’t fetch much in a trade and his contract is affordable why would you trade him when you’ve got 2 outfielders that are 37 yrs old and another who is injury prone?

    Sounds like he’d be pretty good insurance to me.

    Aside from that, I do think the Yanks like the idea of having Gardner and Ellsbury in the outfield together and wreaking havoc on the bases.

  491. UpState December 7th, 2013 at 1:07 am

    Sights on :

    Tanaka
    Balfour

  492. Jerkface December 7th, 2013 at 1:09 am

    .I had a spirited debate with a chap here that we all have come to know so very well back in May regarding the merits of Brett Gardner. Now this person kept throwing all these flip sided stats to support his claim that Gardner was one of the top 5 outfielders in the game. Not just the AL or even the AL East, but was very clear about all of baseball. Better stick to slow pitch softball

    You’re itchin to head off to the bone yard, Pat, why don’t you keep it up? I never said Gardner was a top 5 outfielder in the game. I said he was a top 5 defensive centerfielder and a definite starter on a major league team. If you’d like to revisit this you can read here:
    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....s-red-sox/

    Its mostly just me educating a supposed ex-minor league baseball player on why Gardner is not a 4th outfielder.

    Anyone else who erroneously believes Gardner is a 4th outfielder should also read that thread and become wise. It features such ‘side ways stats’ as Gardner’s slash line compared with the average!

  493. Sweet Swinging Cano December 7th, 2013 at 1:12 am

    Brandon Phillips??

  494. yankeefeminista December 7th, 2013 at 1:13 am

    bigdan, there’s nothing like being so close to the action and actually being able to hear the sounds of the game. Trenton’s my favorite Stadium to get that old time baseball feeling, just so intimate and you are so close to the field.

    GF, agree both on the base paths and in the outfield. I remember how much fun it was to watch BJ Upton and Crawford play the OF and wreak havoc on the base paths beginning in 2004 when the Rays used to come into OYS. Well, not fun, because I was rooting against the Rays, but seeing the two of them together covering the Yankee Stadium OF was something to behold.

    Anyway, I am out of here. Have a good night, everyone.

  495. UpState December 7th, 2013 at 1:14 am

    Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 1:07 am
    If Gardner won’t fetch much in a trade and his contract is affordable why would you trade him when you’ve got 2 outfielders that are 37 yrs old and another who is injury prone?

    Sounds like he’d be pretty good insurance to me.

    Aside from that, I do think the Yanks like the idea of having Gardner and Ellsbury in the outfield together and wreaking havoc on the bases.
    ==============
    Gardner & Ellsbury together is outstanding – both on O & on D
    Quite a few on here feel the Almonte kid is ‘ready’ – I don’t know enuf on him.

    It’s just the situation with Gardner’s availability and desirability (I think)…allow the Yankees to ALSO look at the trade market for improvement…

    ….NOT ONLY on the remaining Free Agents.

    I always liked Gardner…it’s Nunez that I’ve always thought was so f’n useless and sooooo over-rated !

    Like to trade him to somebody who likes him as a ballplayer. (can’t imagine there are alot that do)

  496. Sweet Swinging Cano December 7th, 2013 at 1:19 am

    If they feel almonte is ready, that is interesting. I liked what I saw of him in the short stint, but I have not seen enough of him to say if he could do it fulltime.

  497. UpState December 7th, 2013 at 1:33 am

    Almonte:

    IDK.

    ML …. 100 ab 1-9 .236

    AAA….260 ab 6-36 .297

    AA …..600 ab 24-93 .269

  498. BoJo December 7th, 2013 at 1:37 am

    With the new posting rules, I really don’t think Tanaka will be posted…so Cash had better sign a few low risk/possible high reward guys to fill out the rotation. Guys like Huff….and all together now….Joba (All we are saying is give Joba a chance!)

    Girardi IMHO had it right late last year when he said Joba was still a talent, but who had been set back by various injuries. If Cashman ever does read this blog, I hope he remembers that relievers can run hot and cold on consecutive years, and that Joba is coming off such a down year. He easily could rebound, and even show more value as a starter.

    I am actually hoping Cashman is forced into this scenario due to Tanaka not being posted.

  499. BoJo December 7th, 2013 at 1:42 am

    Gardner reminds me a lot of Roy White….very good player but underappreciated. Yet, teh Yankees won with him in LF in the 70s….And I love seeing Gardy in LF again, where his arm played very well. He saved a few games with his glove, hustle, and arm, and I would put him there again.

    Anyone saying we should trade Gardner and acquire Kemp should try to recall the last time we acquired an OFer named Kemp…didn’t work out that great.

    Bottom line is you don’t need to acquire players who had good years before in an attempt to place former All Stars at every position. Players like Gardner can man LF on a championship club.

  500. BoJo December 7th, 2013 at 1:47 am

    I wold be very happy to see Cash do the following and call it fini:

    1) Sign Infante for 2B
    2) Resign Reynolds as RH bench support
    3) Resign Boone Logan as LOOGY
    4) Resign Joba to give him shot as starter
    5) Wait for ARod to come back to play in 2014. I think he beats MLB in the courts or in arbitration.
    6) Release Wells
    7 Build bullpen with minor league arms and

  501. BoJo December 7th, 2013 at 1:48 am

    7 Build bullpen with minor league arms and pick ups…

  502. pete2 December 7th, 2013 at 2:10 am

    I would be open to trading Soriano and keeping Gardner, but he has a NTC. You lose Gardner on a cheap contract after this year anyways, why not trade him for something of value and then sign him as a FA when Soriano leaves.

  503. yankinvegas December 7th, 2013 at 2:17 am

    The Dodgers have already done enough for Boston. If I were them I would tell Boston you can have Kemp and we’ll eat 30 million but we must have Boegaerts. I think the Red Sox would pass out and hang up the phone!!
    Why can’t anyone accept the fact that the Yankees really didn’t want Cano. They want to remake the team. Beltran is an outstanding pickup. I noticed from his splits in 2012-13 that he slumped off in the 2d half both seasons. Joe will get him enough rest to make sure he is productive all season.
    On to Infante and then the pitching. I always trust Cashman and Girardi with the bullpen.
    I’m excited for the season and I think the fanbase will absolutely love Jacoby.

  504. Migs December 7th, 2013 at 2:29 am

    I’m not disappointed in this Yankees offseason thus far, despite the overpay for Ellsbury and losing Cano. I didn’t want to go 8 years for Cano, so certainly wouldn’t want to go 10.

    Assuming 189 is done with, the rest of my main moves would be:

    attempt to sign Infante (if that fails, see what the asking price for Scutaro is – can’t be much). Sign Tanaka, but if he isn’t posted, I would bite the bullet on Garza depending on price. I would be willing to go 4 for 60, which I consider 1 year too many for a pitcher who had some health issues the past couple of seasons. We really have no way of knowing his market value right now (if ever).

    See if Chase Headley can be had at a reasonable price in a trade.

    Resign Logan, sign Crain, and other low-cost relievers/starters. Attempt to trade Ichiro. If necessary for roster space cut/trade wells. Add some low-cost players to contend for a spot at 3b.
    _______________________

    Lineup vs. RHP:

    Ellsbury, Gardner, Beltran, McCann, Tex, Soriano, Jeter, Infante, 3B.

    Of course Jeter will likely bat second here, but despite back to back lefties, this is probably out best lineup vs a right-handed starter.

    Lineup vs. LHP:

    Ellsbury, Jeter, Tex, Soriano, Beltran, McCann, Infante, 3b, Gardner

    Rotation:

    Nova
    Kuroda
    CC
    Garza/Tanaka
    ST Winner (Hopefully Pineda)

  505. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 3:09 am

    The Yankees offense will be fine. Their season is going to depend on CC and nova. You know what you’re going to get from Kuroda and the fifth starter will be the typical fifth starter. But if nova doesn’t prove to be consistent and CC doesn’t bounce back, all of the maneuvers so far will be for naught.

  506. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 5:56 am

    I’ve seen this already from the media: why would the Yanks give Beltrán a deal through age 39 but not Cano through age 40?

    Seems like a logical question but they’re missing a simple fact: the Yanks already know that Beltran can be productive at an advanced age. If he stays healthy, they can reasonably expect him to produce the next couple of years. Even if Cano is healthy, they have no idea what he’s going to do when he’s 35 years old, let alone 38.

  507. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 6:15 am

    I just want to know what Harold Reynolds thinks.

  508. GregD December 7th, 2013 at 6:37 am

    Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 6:15 am
    I just want to know what Harold Reynolds thinks.

    —————–
    LOL

  509. GregD December 7th, 2013 at 6:37 am

    Good morning Country and Hans

  510. Ys Guy December 7th, 2013 at 6:48 am

    morning guys!

    another day, another signing (or two?)

  511. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 6:55 am

    Morning,

    I wonder if they make any moves this weekend. I still feel like a trade is coming at some point.

  512. sandman December 7th, 2013 at 6:59 am

    If Infante does get signed I propose we nickname ourselves the mercenaries, can’t make a WS run without something the media could eat up (and make shirts out if) :D

  513. GregD December 7th, 2013 at 7:00 am

    I think if we sign Infante and a pitcher…..we’re done……….

  514. Poetkiosk December 7th, 2013 at 7:09 am

    I don’t get how some here are upset, These were all great moves. Did people really expect the Yankees to just suck it up and be terrible for a few years? This is the premier market for baseball. I get the sense that those that are willing to wait a few years don’t actually live in NYC, cause if they did they would know that was never an option.

  515. GregD December 7th, 2013 at 7:12 am

    I want the Yanks to build a good farm system so that they can develop at least some of their own stars……

  516. Poetkiosk December 7th, 2013 at 7:15 am

    for the most part that’s not going happen in NYC. If you are a fan that’s really into watching players develop slowly over time, the Yankees aren’t a great fit, way better off following a small market team.

  517. jackamir December 7th, 2013 at 7:17 am

    Hal—You’ve earned your stripes. I am truly impressed.

  518. sandman December 7th, 2013 at 7:19 am

    Poetkiosk says:

    December 7, 2013 at 7:09 am

    I don’t get how some here are upset, These were all great moves. Did people really expect the Yankees to just suck it up and be terrible for a few years? This is the premier market for baseball. I get the sense that those that are willing to wait a few years don’t actually live in NYC, cause if they did they would know that was never an option
    —————————-

    I actually really love the way the Yankees have gone about this OF. For the past few years all I heard was “cashman set out his wide net” only to come up with a few minor signings and completely ignore lack of production in certain portions (my main one was catcher since Posada was an offensive catcher)

  519. blake December 7th, 2013 at 7:22 am

    “I’ve seen this already from the media: why would the Yanks give Beltrán a deal through age 39 but not Cano through age 40?”

    Well because Beltran is 200 million cheaper of course ….

  520. blake December 7th, 2013 at 7:23 am

    @Xavier_07: Cano at the Winter League donning his new hat. #GoMariners @TNT_Mariners @DCameronFG @ProspectInsider @RyanDivish http://t.co/XLGbTmtJkt

    Already has the beard…..you knew that was coming …wants to be just like big Papi

  521. pkyankfan69 December 7th, 2013 at 7:30 am

    So right now we are looking at:

    CF – Ellsbury
    SS – Jeter
    RF – Beltran
    C – McCann
    DH – Soriano
    1B – Tex
    2B – ????
    3B – Johnson
    LF – Gardner

    CC – Kuroda – Nova – ??? – Pineda/Phelps/Warren

    Drob – Kelley – Betances – Phelps/Warren – Cabral
    ——————-

    Sign Infante – Reynolds – Tanaka (if possible) – Balfour and another BP arm or 2 and were probably done… A trade for Kemp would be awesome but probably not realistic.

  522. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 7:33 am

    I think in a perfect world the Yankees want a second baseman that can play D and that isn’t a black hole at the plate. And they’d love to have Tanaka. I think if they accomplished those two things they would call it an off-season.

  523. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 7:33 am

    And then they would hold their breath until opening day to see if CC bounces back….

  524. blake December 7th, 2013 at 7:36 am

    I think maybe they’ll play Johnson at 2B and try to get a 3B

    Most of the major FAs have already signed….Choo and Garza are really all the big guys that are left besides Tanaka so I think the trade rumors will be flying at the winter meetings.

    Wish the yanks could do a deal for Headley there…..they keep saying there isn’t a match though…..give them Mason if you have to.

    Ellsbury CF
    Jeter SS
    Beltran RF
    McCann C
    Headley 3B
    Tex 1B
    Soriano DH
    Johnson 2B
    Gardner LF

    3 switch hitters in that lineup…..awesome outfield defense and great corner infield defense.

    They could also sign Drew or infante and have them play 3B

  525. blake December 7th, 2013 at 7:38 am

    @AndrewMarchand: Sources: Beltran took $3 million less to sign with the Yankees. Had an offer for $3/48M from another team.

  526. blake December 7th, 2013 at 7:41 am

    If Jeter is really gonna play SS it would be nice to have a good defender at 3B…..I really like the idea of drew if they can’t make a trade because if it turns out Jeter can’t play SS…..you already have the solution

  527. mick December 7th, 2013 at 7:42 am

    This OF is crowded now with Beltran.

  528. Ys Guy December 7th, 2013 at 7:44 am

    if cc and tex have comeback seasons, this team has a chance.

  529. blake December 7th, 2013 at 7:46 am

    mick says:
    December 7, 2013 at 7:42 am
    This OF is crowded now with Beltran.

    A little but they could just make Soriano the primary DH and rotate guys……I think they will shop Gardner but don’t know if there will be anything worth trading him for

  530. mick December 7th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Not sure about dhing sori too much, he might like to play but he and beltran are older so will need rest. beltran is the ideal dh being a switcher.

    what if they get choo?

    hal wouldn’t be doing any of this if cano were still here.

  531. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    The outfield really isn’t crowded because Wells and Ichiro are expendable. The Yankees have four quality outfielders and I’m sure they’ll all come in handy.

  532. mick December 7th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    infante should be next but he might be playing hardball.

  533. mick December 7th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Wasn’t even thinking of Ichiro.
    One of Beltran and Soriano will DH if Gardner stays.
    If Choo comes than Gardy is gone.

  534. pkyankfan69 December 7th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Whats Infante going to get? 3 for $30M?

  535. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Good morning. Time for Cash to sign another player before flying off to the Disney resort tomorrow.

    Beltran

    Since he had clean out of his right knee for loose bodies( it was not micro fracture surgery) in 2010 he has averaged 540 at bats the last three seasons, while playing in the NL
    Although his 3 year BA is .270 vs lefties, his power is there. He’s a .300 hitter with runners on, with runners in scoring position, and with the bases loaded.

    Other than the fact that he got three years, I’m A-OK with the signing.

    Time to move on, sign someone else for > 2.7M, so we can finally put the LT question to rest, get everybody healthy, and regain superiority! :)

  536. blake December 7th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    They can just release Wells….they aren’t paying him anything but they really need to trade Ichiro somehow

  537. mick December 7th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    With 4/50 left on his contract Phillips would be a great get and he has pop.
    Would cost Gardner but Hal likes these high profile guys like his Dad.

  538. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Jesus, now u guys are stuck avec , Kelly Johnson; I have, Ryan Goins! ( Better defence )

  539. blake December 7th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Infant might get more than 30 now….depends on how interested the yanks are

  540. blake December 7th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    Id way rather sign infante than trade Gardner for Phillips….

  541. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Did I just hear some talking head say the sux are bringing back their CATCHER mike napoli?

  542. vrsce December 7th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Good bye ARod see ya Robbie. It is a brave new world.

  543. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    mills just move to NY if you are so jealous

  544. Joe from Long Island December 7th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    now that cano has his money, I wonder how many years it will be before he starts to angle for a trade? Arod waited three years before forcing his, think cano will go longer?

  545. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    State of the Yankee’s 2014 budget. Need to look at the bottom line:

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....get-12613/

  546. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    It would appear Choo is off the table.

  547. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Phillips is another leader type and would fit in well in NY.

  548. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    I’m ready for the new season, Dustin McGowan is all set for that #1 position; and as Juliette Binoche is my witness, we’re going to get at least 35 starts in. Buehrle is going to give out too, whether they allow pit bulls up here or not. I don’t need one of them over Priced middle of the road ” staters “, I’m sailing. Let’s get it on, the Sox are truly going to suffa’.

  549. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Cano doesn’t have an opt out. Of course that doesn’t mean much.

  550. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    Nothing would shock me at this point, but I can’t believe that the Yankees would still be interested in Choo.

  551. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    Mick

    Napoli got 2/32 from the Sox last night , to play 1st. Apparently the Rangers were offering more.

  552. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    Navarro, I have a catcher,….hee hee.

  553. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Napoli got 2/32 from the Sox last night , to play 1st. Apparently the Rangers were offering more.
    ================
    I heard that YT just that some SNY guy said he was their catcher.

  554. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Man, if Arencibia wasn’t so messed up, he could have stuck around in some kind of pupil capacity.

  555. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Not endorsing this, but Juan Uribe is still available as is Stephen Drew

  556. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Phillips has 4 years left on his deal and he’ll be 33 early next season. No thanks. We talked about this in great detail regarding Cano, second baseman age very badly.

  557. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    So we are over the budget with Alex still on the roster, under by about 3m if he is on.
    Guess we’ll have to reset it another time.
    Oh well…

  558. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Blake

    It would be nice if the Yankees found one rookie, other than Tanaka, for third-base.

    Could the Yankees matchup for either of these 22-year-olds from the Diamondbacks?
    Matt Davidson
    Chris Owings

  559. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    under by about 3m if he is on.
    ================
    should be: if off.

  560. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    YT

    Looks like Kelly Johnson at 3rd w/ Nunez.

  561. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    I won without a #1 receiver Pat Borders prior ( mind you, I had Guzman, Key, Morris, Hentgen, big sized Wells when needed, Henke to close post Ward, Danny Cox, Jim Acker etc ) One of the great things about winning in, ’92, was that my man, Sir David Stieb, got a ring – my #1 Blue Jay of all time.

  562. pkyankfan69 December 7th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    How about the Youker for 3B?

    lol I kid I kid

  563. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    I am a psychic

  564. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:04 am
    It would appear Choo is off the table.
    ——————————–
    they are done with the OF

  565. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Jim Acker was an interesting reliever, hardly afraid to bring it on home close. Stieb would put it under your chin as well, ask, Rice.

  566. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Joeman

    Psy-chic

    Did you bring home the TV last night?

  567. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Getting Choo would mean Beltran is the f/t DH.
    Seems unlikely.
    Right now Ichi would spell him in right .
    Sori would DH most of the time , maybe play left v tough lefty and Gardy gets day off.
    5 manOF, no room for Almonte or Wells, who could play a little 1st.

  568. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    SPing – 3rd or 2nd – RPing…..

  569. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    I am a psychic
    =============
    take off the ic add an O

  570. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Good morning.

    I slept well last night knowing what has been accomplished and what will be accomplished.

    I am actually quite perplexed that so many folks don’t see what is happening here.

    ;)

  571. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    OK morning crew, time to go.

    Have a great day.

  572. jackamir December 7th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Infante = 2 yrs at 10 mil.

  573. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    One time, near opening day in Boston, Toronto was taking those stinky Sox down. Rice comes up vs Stieb, and is promptly put down,…literally,…it was beautiful.

  574. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Mick-

    They won’t be going w only Johnson and Nunez.

    At least I hope not.

    Not up to snuff.

    ;)

  575. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    ells
    jete
    beltran
    mccann
    sori
    tex
    6-7-8 ???

  576. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    make that 7-8-9

  577. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Yankee Trader December 7th, 2013 at 8:23 am
    Joeman

    Psy-chic

    Did you bring home the TV last night?
    ———————————————–
    have to go back the place was packed..the one I really liked was over 2 grand…

  578. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    MTU

    I see what’s happening. the wicked witch (LT confine) is dead, well not completely. The Yankees still need to pry the 2.7M from her fingers and sign another player to show us fans that Hal means business.

    Until later.

  579. blake December 7th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Interesting the Sox ended up paying Napoli more over the 3 years than they would have if they had just signed the 3/39 deal last year

  580. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    mick…I see your using ells now..way to go

  581. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    “You walk into the room
    With your pencil in your hand
    You see somebody naked
    And you say, “Who is that man?”
    You try so hard
    But you don’t understand
    Just what you’ll say
    When you get home

    Because something is happening here
    But you don’t know what it is
    Do you, Mister Jones?

    You raise up your head
    And you ask, “Is this where it is?”
    And somebody points to you and says
    “It’s his”
    And you say, “What’s mine?”
    And somebody else says, “Where what is?”
    And you say, “Oh my God
    Am I here all alone?”

    Because something is happening here
    But you don’t know what it is
    Do you, Mister Jones?”

    Some may not know what is happening here, Mr. Jones.

    ;)

  582. blake December 7th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    jackamir says:
    December 7, 2013 at 8:27 am
    Infante = 2 yrs at 10 mil.

    Id do that but think he may get more now

  583. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Given enough ” snuff “, anybody can do anything :)

  584. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Mc
    Ells
    Bel
    KJ

  585. Yankee Trader December 7th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    Joeman

    If you have a Costco, and they have the TV you want, they accept returns up to 90 days after purchase. no hassles and no restocking fee.

    Now I’m really gone.

  586. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    we might need one more power bat from the right side.
    phillips would make sense.
    can choo play left?

  587. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    I’m signing, Derek ” Turk ” Sanderson; the guy fed Orr to win in ’69.

  588. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    YT-

    You were gone before you started.

    :)

  589. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Yankee Trader December 7th, 2013 at 8:34 am
    Joeman

    If you have a Costco, and they have the TV you want, they accept returns up to 90 days after purchase. no hassles and no restocking fee.

    Now I’m really gone.
    ———————————–
    good idea

  590. jackamir December 7th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    ARod has been quiet for the past week. Just baseball (hot stove.) What a pleasure !!!!

  591. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    seems like all the good choices will be gone before the WM.
    look for choo/infante to go today or tmw.

  592. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    During the eighties, the Tigers were such a great nemesis, and the Brewers weren’t bad too; where the hell did they go?!

  593. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    The Man had perfect 20/20 vision but he still just could see.

    That other Man could hear a pin drop but heard nothing.

    That 3rd Man moved his tongue around like mad but nothing intelligible seemed to come out.

    And so it was.

    Until a ray of light entered the room.

    And then everything was made right.

    :)

  594. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    ed: could NOT see

  595. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    jackamir December 7th, 2013 at 8:37 am
    ARod has been quiet for the past week. Just baseball (hot stove.) What a pleasure !!!!
    —————————————
    busy telling Cano to leave NY, they will pay you but don’t treat you well

  596. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    More is coming.

    The Storm is gathering force.

    ;)

  597. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Biily Bishop had superceded 20/20 vision; gilles villeneuve apparently required glasses, if u can believe it, but was too vain. I guess its better not to see that corner at a million miles per hour hour :D

  598. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    mtu
    phillips or infante?

  599. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Hal has stepped up, surprising me. He is making the team far more watchable than last year. Add an infielder, starter and a couple of pen pieces, and I am ready to take on the Sox.

    Remember last off season and the one before. It was painful. Yes, they could have done this better by starting two years ago. But, they didn’t. All one can do is act today for the future.

    I completely disagree with the teeth gnashing about neglecting the farm. Other than the draft picks, nothing keeps them from spending money on coaches, scouts etc.

    Of the Yankees didn’t spend big this off season, they would have been a 70 win team.

  600. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Biily, is, ” Billy “, sorry, Bishop.

  601. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    A-Rod is last person who should ever be attempting to lecture anyone on good behavior.

    That’s like a serial killer talking about how to save lives.

    Too funny.

    :)

  602. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    –if they didn’t spend–

  603. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Mick-

    Depends on what you value more and on how you want to got about it ?

    Phillips has the superior glove but requires a trade.

    Infante has the better bat and is basically just money.

    Take your pick ?

    ;)

  604. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    since ells will lead off, choo might be out.
    all depends on gardy in LF or not…
    righty pop could mean phillips

  605. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Mac-

    your apology is due.

    I already made mine.

    The humble pie was tasty.

    The crow was ok w hot sauce added.

    :)

  606. Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    What a terrible mistake Cano made going with Jay Z instead of Boras.

  607. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    I completely disagree with the teeth gnashing about neglecting the farm. Other than the draft picks, nothing keeps them from spending money on coaches, scouts etc.
    ===============================================
    This is just the mantra from those who think they know better.
    Winning will shut them up…

  608. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Mick-

    Roster construction.

    An essential art.

    The whole must be greater than the sum of it’s parts or it won’t work.

    I’ll let the smart folks figure it out.

    They are doing a great job so far.

    It will continue. And it will get even better.

    :)

  609. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Beltran has fallen under the radar.
    The next few pickups will be interesting.
    Would like to see Balfour here.
    Fans would love him.

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    Billy Bishop, who could see things I can’t.

  611. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Some folks appear to be late to the party.

    They missed the signs.

    The breadcrumbs on the trail.

    But I’m a hiking Man so I didn’t miss them.

    And I got onto the correct path a little more quickly because of it.

    And now I’m bound for glory.

    It’s fun.

    Join up.

    :)

  612. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    “None are so blind as those who will not see.”

    :)

  613. mick December 7th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    MTU

    Why do you think Infante is a better hitter than Phillips?

  614. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    was in on Balfour in early November….

  615. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Phillips has the superior glove but requires a trade.

    Infante has the better bat and is basically just money.

    Take your pick ?

    Really? Infante has a better bat than Phillips? Seriously?

  616. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    said I didn’t like DRob as a closer

  617. pkyankfan69 December 7th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    He’s made of glass but it’s hard to argue with his production when he is on the field… Eric Chavez is still out there in FA.

  618. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Mick-

    Higher avg. Less pop.

    I think Phillips has tailed a little recently.

    Phillips glove is like 10x’s better though.

    He’s slicker than water going over a Teflon slide.

    4 GG’s. Most recent last yr. A frequent contributor to the highlight reels.

    ;)

  619. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    they won’t get a high range 3rd or 2nd baseman or a SPer in a trade ….just don’t have the pieces to trade to get one

  620. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Mr. Infante hit well over .300 last season.

  621. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Infante is younger-ish.

    :)

  622. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Chaver isn’t that good

  623. mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    gardner and nunez for phillips

  624. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Infante is more versatile.

    Phillips a better leader.

    You guys pick.

    :)

    Or just keep Kelly at 2b and get me a solid 3b.

  625. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 8:50 am
    What a terrible mistake Cano made going with Jay Z instead of Boras.
    —————————————
    why you say that

  626. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    I went hiking once, and got lost; now, I’m sticking to my dirty little city.

  627. blake December 7th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    189 is near impossible now…..so they need to be sure they fill all their holes and put a contender on the field now……because they have lost like all their draft picks for the next draft

  628. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:02 am
    gardner and nunez for phillips
    ——————————
    not enough…the book on nunez is out there, and everyone in mlb hates Gardner

  629. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    MTU,

    Once we are officially over the cap I will humbly seek Hal’s forgiveness. I will also owe Nick a prize, but he is among the missing.

    Phillips’ average has been dropping the last couple of years but did drive in 100 runs last year. I wonder if Infante can duplicate his last season. Phillips is still owed about $50M over four years. To me, either would be good additions. I would say sign Infante and use Gardner for a pitcher.

    I do like your trade for a young infielder concept.

  630. mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    4/50 left on Phillips deal
    I would trade Gardner for him.

  631. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Me.

    I go Infante and use GGBG to get Bailey.

    Backfill GGBG.

    Use one young C plus relievers to get Owings or Davidson.

    Lot’s of redundancy, flexibility, and something added for the future.

    No muss. No fuss.

    :)

  632. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    @robneyer: The 2013 Yankees were (a lot!) worse than you thought and they’ve lost their best player. What’s next?

    http://www.baseballnation.com/.....ran-signed

  633. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    jmills December 7th, 2013 at 9:04 am
    I went hiking once, and got lost; now, I’m sticking to my dirty little city.
    —————————————
    like your style..very random

  634. mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    …because they have lost like all their draft picks for the next draft
    ===============
    don’t they have 2 supp picks btwn 1st and 2nd rd?

  635. wanzies222 December 7th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Morning -

    You’ll see some focus on the final IF pieces, to the extent they can, given Arod’s uncertainty.

    Roster flexibility has priority, given that the offense is basically fixed.

    Assets only requiring money will be prioritized, as will complementary players.

    So look for action on Infante, Baker (nice RH complement to either Johnson or Choo, can play multi positions).

    Remember that there are only 2 OFers on board with 2015 contracts, and none available in FA next year, so Choo is still in play, as will be the trade market.

    Bullpen will get ramped up….Balfour is at the top of the list, as is Logan.

    You’ll see some interest in reclamation projects (Sizemore, etc.).

    That’s the activity focus this weekend. The trading will happen at the WM.

    Those are my whispers….

  636. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Blake-

    You just wont let go of it when everybody has already crossed the river to the other side.

    It’s gone.

    Dead and buried.

    Where it should have been on the 1st place.

    :)

  637. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Gardner for PAPs

  638. Cashmoney December 7th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    3 names I am curious as we heading into WM, Kemp, J.Bautista and Price, I could see some big pieces being move. Yanks are probably looking from outside in regard to trading any marquee names (aint got the goods others want).

    On Infante, get em, prolly will command an AVV of 11 mil and 3 year min.

  639. blake December 7th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    MTU,
    Yes it’s nearly impossible now unless they do very little else

  640. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Steve-

    “There are none so blind as they who will not see.”

    ;)

  641. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    I hate to start on this stuff again but Gardner has no value alone to bring anyone worth anything back..the NYY know it and so do MLB teams…..he only has value to people here on this blog

  642. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    you guys can call me joe if you want

  643. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    mac-

    You’re late.

    they’re already over.

    write your words.

    it’s been sh*tcanned a while ago.

    Pick up the pace.

    Don’t be left holding the bag.

    :)

  644. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Joeman-

    He has value to a team that needs him.

    :)

  645. mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    next

  646. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Keep Gardner, sign Cano, forget Ellsbury.

  647. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Blake-

    You can’t take back what has already happened.

    It’s over. They’re over.

    They will go over even more because they still need essential things.

    Comprendo ?

    The job is not done and the task must be completed.

    Now let go and join me.

    If we’re wrong we’ll go down together.

    ;)

  648. Cashmoney December 7th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Gardner’s value to this team may very well exceed his trade value, there is no need to trade him when you have a potential brittle of OF and the fact he was a superior defender over other than Jacoby.

  649. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Moving over Beethoven ———>

  650. Cashmoney December 7th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    #he is.

  651. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:14 am
    Joeman-

    He has value to a team that needs him.
    ————————————————-
    not to many rumors about that no even a smell only the ones started here which mean nothing..although I think the NYY are reading my stuff because everything I say happens ….

    LMAO

  652. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Nelson, so glad Canada had the good sense to come out first and make you a Canuck!

  653. Doreen December 7th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Wow, I disconnected from the internet and fell asleep early last night, and wake up to the Beltran news.

    So wish they had gotten him either one of the first two times he was available, but, I am hopeful he still has something to give us over at least the next 2 years. It is not great they had to go 3 years, but it is what it is.

    yankeefeminista, and those talking about the farm and the real promise at the lower levels, sometime during this season I was reading something about the Pittsburgh Pirates, and in the article it talked about how it takes about 9 years to revamp a farm system. So, all might not be lost for us here in Yankeeland. However, it does mean that the Cashman and crew kind of over-promised on that front, and should have been more honest about how long it could take. Perhaps then people wouldn’t be AS disappointed as some of us are. The other thing is they did have some good pieces there, but they were used in trade (not going down that path in specifics). In order to try to force the issue, they drafted a lot of high risk guys that really did not pan out.

    I am certain they need to work on pitching development – I can see where they must be some specific approaches that could make a difference. But as far as development position players, how? This is what is always missing for me from the discussions on the Yankees’ lack of proficiency at developing players. How? What specifically are they doing or not doing? “Development” seems pretty ethereal to me without an idea of what exactly they do in the minor leagues besides play the games, take batting practice, fielding practice and watch videos. I know they get coached on the finer points of all aspects of the game, but how might they go about that that would make a ton of difference?

    It also seems to me that you do have to get lucky in terms of either talent and/or drive of the players you draft. There are guys who get drafted later who don’t have the obvious talent, but who just have whatever drive is necessary to do whatever is necessary to improve themselves. It’s part of it – it’s not all on the team. I’m not saying the Yankees are doing all they can here, believe me. What I’m saying is I don’t know what they are doing or what they are not doing, specifically, that is hurting them in the system.

    But again, the point was, it can take longer than one realizes or that we are led to believe to remake your system.

  654. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    –grueling rigors–

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