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Mid-day notes and links: Gardner generating trade interest

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 07, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brett Gardner• Andy McCullough reports that the Yankees are receiving “significant interest” in Brett Gardner. While they’re willing to trade him, they’re not necessarily shopping him. The Yankees could keep Gardner in left field, put Carlos Beltran in right and make Alfonso Soriano a regular designated hitter. That’s not ideal largely because it keeps the DH spot occupied when guys like Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez and Brian McCann might need it from time to time, but Gardner isn’t going to be so expensive that the Yankees truly need to get rid of his salary.

• Speaking of trade possibilities, San Francisco columnist John Shea writes that he believes the Giants should try to trade for Ichiro Suzuki. Brian Cashman did not shoot down the idea of trading Ichiro, and if the Yankees can find someone who wants him, I can’t imagine them being against the idea. Ichiro would probably prefer to play where he’s going to actually get at-bats. With the Yankees, his at-bats seem to have disappeared unless the team trades Gardner.

• In case it wasn’t becoming pretty obvious, David Waldstein I believe is the first to report that Hal Steinbrenner has given the green light to go over $189 million if necessary. Might still be a goal, but the Yankees are clearly spending in a way that suggests getting below the luxury tax isn’t a necessity.

• Interesting tidbit from George King, who reports that Robinson Cano wasn’t happy playing for Joe Girardi, partially because Girardi hit him second several times. At one point this season, there was a story about the fact several teams were beginning to hit their best players second for various reasons. Apparently Cano didn’t like it.

• Patrick Newman of NPB Tracker reports that Marahiro Tanaka’s team is “really balking” at the $20 million posting fee limit. That change to the posting system could keep Tanaka off the market this winter.

• If you’re interested, here’s my story in today’s paper about the Cano decision and the Yankees reluctance to sign another Alex Rodriguez contract.

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89 Responses to “Mid-day notes and links: Gardner generating trade interest”

  1. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Do we get to keep the mitten?

  2. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    Hans,

    Everything they do is a PR move… And yes, they are good at it

    I have honestly given up on this mismanagement team ever producing anything worthwhile in the farm system as to a position player. I think it is out of the question unless something happens in the way of someone like Stick coming along and getting real control.
    So this is it. This is as good as it is going to get. They will win or lose with a lineup of hired hands.
    My only regret is that they are not going to let up on the PR where Cano is concerned. They will slander him to perdition.

  3. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    No but you get the left-over gum if you like.

    ;)

  4. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    I always thought the Yankees should have a Brett Gardner oven mitt day for the fans

  5. Tar December 7th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    “My only regret is that they are not going to let up on the PR where Cano is concerned. They will slander him to perdition.”

    I use to laugh at the Sox for doing this, and think I am sure glad the Yankees don’t do that.

  6. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Makes sure the George King piece gets copy. Nothing about the Sweeney Murti comments. Good job.

  7. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    LoHud must be digging the massive surge in traffic this past week.

  8. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: It’s more likely the Yankees trade for infield help than sign a free agent, given the prices of the moment.

  9. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Now there’s a Shea NYers can actually like. Please take Ichiro.

  10. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    I use to laugh at the Sox for doing this, and think I am sure glad the Yankees don’t do that.

    They have done it since I can remember. I can think of Stengel and Maris right off.

  11. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    If this keeps up I’ll just go outside and make a Snowman.

  12. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    It’s really coming now.

    Snowflakes the size of NYC.

    :)

  13. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Anybody got a shovel I can borrow ?

    :(

  14. Tar December 7th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Hans

    For an old guy, you have a much better memory than me. :wink:

  15. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    haven’t used one of those things in years MTU…forgot which end is up.

  16. pat December 7th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    “…Yankees reluctance to sign another Alex Rodriguez contract.”

    The Yankees were reluctant to sign Cano to a Derek Jeter contract, a Mark Teixeira contract or a CC Sabathia contract too so the Alex Rodriguez contract goes without saying.

  17. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    What Sweeney Murti comments?

  18. luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Got to go guys,

    GF,

    LMAO! But it is probably true… That means more money in advertising

    Hans,

    Yes, they will… Which is very sad

    Primo,

    Read your last post… You are right to a point… They missed so many chances in the recent past, that in my view, they had to go through a rebuilding process…In this scenario, you need to be bad for a while, so if you spend money it hurts your ability to get young talent… I think they should have gone through another early 90′s process… But I know I am in the vast minority on this… So the point is moot I guess

  19. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    It’s really coming now.

    Snowflakes the size of NYC.

    :)

    —————–

    Is this going to be a bad winter

  20. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    If they trade the Gritster his position should be backfilled w a rt-hander w power.

    i.e. Kemp, Hart, etc.

  21. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    AAO-

    I think so but not baseball wise.

    ;)

  22. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Luis I’ve thought for a long time I wouldn’t mind if the Yankees missed the playoffs for a couple years if it helped get them better positions in the drafts…but we’ve seen quite a few all is lost posts that the Yankees will no longer be on the same par as Astros if that were to happen. They’d be the Cosmos of MLB.

  23. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Luis-

    Of course you are.

    You are a wild-eyed Indian.

    Not many of those left.

    :)

  24. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    El otro ——>

  25. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    MTU, you’re on your own, buddy. Man, could gilles villeneuve drive a snowmobile in the snow, that’s why he says he was so good in F1 rain. Jody scheckter finished a time trial in a deluge, having scared himself to death while thinking he was great, and there was gilles, 11 frigin’ seconds faster! Forza Gilles!!! Niki Lauda said, ” Gilles had the greatest talent of all of us “, and Lafitte said,” you know miracles are impossible, but Gilles made you wonder, he was that good “.

  26. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    can’t make me talk bad about Gardner anymore

  27. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    I think so but not baseball wise.

    ————————-

    :D

    The Yankee Empire Strikes Back baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8

  28. tomingeorgia December 7th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Mister MTU,
    When Mrs. Tom and I were trying to decide where to live and set up shop, we’d strap a snow shovel on top of the truck. When the first person asked, “Whatall is that for?”, we knew we were within range.

  29. luis December 7th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Howler,

    Well… Now they are the Harlem Globetrotters ;) … I don’t think they will win anything, but it will be a circus alright…

    MTU,

    :lol:

    Take care my friend

  30. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    What Sweeney Murti comments?

    Interview on ESPN. Deal with Seattle was off. NY signs Ellsbury at just under what they last offered Cano. He gets PO and goes right back into negotiations with Seattle. A lot more plausible reason. King is painting him as being small and petty. He’s the 1st of many Yankee hatchet men we’ll hear from in the coming weeks.

  31. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Damn…and I can’t whistle Sweet Georgia Brown to save my ass.

  32. pat December 7th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    “When Mrs. Tom and I were trying to decide where to live and set up shop, we’d strap a snow shovel on top of the truck. When the first person asked, “Whatall is that for?”, we knew we were within range.”

    Love this!

  33. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Thanks Hans oh yea the wolves are going to be coming out.

    The he didn’t want to play for Girardi quote is already being picked up by fans.

  34. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Gilles loved driving his Ford Bronco under any circumstances. His point was to see how far he could take it. He shipped the Bronco and his fifth wheel over to Europe so that he might camp out at the next track and avoid all those fussy dinners. Many snots thought he was crass, but he was a complete gentleman avec the media and whoever else came by. ” Chips and a coke “, that’s all gilles wanted.

  35. Chip December 7th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    If 189 is off the table then go get Garza now. If Tanaka posts, great, but don’t count on him.

    And if SF is willing to take Ichiro, do it.

  36. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Tar December 7th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    Hans

    For an old guy, you have a much better memory than me
    Read about much of it in Dynasty by Robert Creamer. Fans never liked Maris so it wasn’t hard to do. Had him come back early from a hand injury that may have ruined his hitting stroke for good. The traded him. It was easy to paint him as “Not a Yankee.”
    When they fired Casey who had won 9 WS and 12 pennants in 14 seasons they spread rumors of senility and “picking on” younger players. They probably never had a manager that played farm hands as much as he did.
    To finish the job they hired the “Scooter” who spent the next 20 years blasting Stengel’s legacy from the Broadcast booth. No one ever tried to stop him. His feelings for Stengel bordered on hatred and stemmed from a Dodger tryout when Casey was manager there. They’re good at it.

  37. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    And if SF is willing to take Ichiro, do it.

    Please do it.

  38. Ted Nelson December 7th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    “If 189 is off the table then go get Garza now.”

    I’m not sold on Garza at all anyway, but what’s the rush? You’re talking about a mid-rotation SP who is fairly HR prone and showing signs of decline already in his late 20s. I’d wait the market out on him rather than rushing to meet his asking price.

  39. mick December 7th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    More like they fired Stengel for his misuse of Whitey Ford in the Pirate Series.

  40. Barry December 7th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Re Stengel

    He was all used up by the time he was fired. The players did not respond to him and at his funeral, only one, Billy Martin showed. I think that is all you need to know. The Stengel success as manager of The Mets was worthwhile, but only a public relations coup.

  41. WaltDropo December 7th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Averaging the WAR values from Baseball Reference and Fan Graphs for Gardner and Ellsbury, the result is 120.3 plate appearances per WAR for Gardner, and 143.9 plate appearances per WAR for Ellsbury. So who is actually a “poor man’s” version of the other? Ellsbury needs an additional 20% of plate appearances to generate WAR at Gardner’s rate.

  42. searay26 December 7th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    How can that be? Ellsbury is the 22 million dollar man and Gardner is an after thought.

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