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After a wild week, a few questions heading into the weekend

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 07, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Robinson Cano

So, yesterday was pretty intense. Robinson Cano is heading elsewhere, Hiroki Kuroda is coming back, and Carlos Beltran is finally going to play for the Yankees. It’s been a wild winter already, and the Winter Meetings are still two days away. Here are a few quick questions as we being this weekend after an eventful week.

What to do at second base?
As far as Plan C goes, Kelly Johnson is pretty solid. He’s a left-handed hitter who’s used to the position, and he has a little bit of pop. There are worse second base starters out there, and if it shakes out so that Johnson is the regular second baseman, or even platooning against righties, the Yankees could be just find. But the Yankees will surely look for a Plan B before handing Johnson the job. Omar Infante is still a free agent, and he stands out from the pack. There’s really not other standout unless Stephen Drew is OK with playing second. In theory, the Yankees have several trade options, but it’s tough to gauge what it might take to land a guy like Howie Kendrick or Brandon Phillips. The entire second base market — trade and free agent — surely adjusted after Cano came off the board. The bad news for the Yankees: Internal options like Eduardo Nunez, Corban Joseph and Dean Anna are closer to Plan D than Plan B.

World Series Red Sox Cardinals BaseballWhat to do in the outfield?
For just a moment, let’s assume the Yankees will make no more outfield moves. Given a combination of Beltran, Jacoby Ellsbury, Brett Gardner, Ichiro Suzuki and Vernon Wells, the most obvious solution is Ellsbury in center, Gardner in left, Beltran in right and Soriano as the regular DH. That group would allow for plenty of half days off as players would rotate occasionally through the DH spot. The Yankees would then have to decide between Wells as a platoon hitter or Ichiro as a pinch runner for their fifth outfielder. Honestly, I’m not sure which they’d rather have, and I’m not sure either has an ounce if trade value.

How to replace the lost offense?
It’s not only Cano who walked away yesterday. The Yankees also formally lost Curtis Granderson, who signed with the Mets. That’s a ton of left-handed power to replace. Obviously Brian McCann takes care of some of that, and the Beltran signing was a clear reaction to the events of the day, and Ellsbury is a left-handed bat that produces offense in a different way. Make no mistake, offense has been added. That said, with the Beltran signing, it’s tough to find another strong upgrade opportunity given the positions available. Nelson Cruz (whose defense stinks) and Mike Napoli (who provides little lineup flexibility) could provide right-handed power — which would be nice — but where would their at-bats come? Based on the current free agent market, it’s hard to get anything approaching Cano’s offensive production from another infielder. Might have to settle for a marginal upgrade at either second or third and let Johnson handle the other spot as part of a platoon (assuming Alex Rodriguez is suspended).

What to do with the unspent money?
This is mostly in response to missing out on Cano. Beltran got some of that money, but he didn’t get all of it. That means there should be some leftover, which might be best spent on the pitching staff. Maybe that means a stronger offer if/when Masahiro Tanaka becomes available. Maybe it means getting Grant Balfour or someone else to upgrade a depleted bullpen. Clearly the Yankees have money to spend. Might as well spend it (you know, because it not our money anyway).

How does this impact the rest of the roster?
For now, the events of the past week or so give the Yankees an overcrowded outfielder and make Johnson a temporary favorite to start at second. Losing Cano also might — might! — increase the chances of Eduardo Nunez playing some sort of role in the infield. But really, the infield is still pretty far up in the air at the moment. The impact I most wonder about is the plan for Gardner. Early indications are that the Yankees want to keep him, but with Beltran in place, the Yankees might be able to flip Gardner for a player who fills a more significant need. Maybe a starting pitcher? A third baseman? A second baseman? I happen to be a pretty big Gardner believer, but if he’s not hitting leadoff or playing center field then the Yankees aren’t utilizing him in a role nearly as significant as some other teams might envision. He has value, and for the Yankees he’s vaguely expendable. The moves of the past week might have landed Gardner on the trading block.

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526 Responses to “After a wild week, a few questions heading into the weekend”

  1. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    @robneyer: The 2013 Yankees were (a lot!) worse than you thought and they’ve lost their best player. What’s next?

    http://www.baseballnation.com/.....ran-signed

  2. wanzies222 December 7th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    repost:

    Morning -

    You’ll see some focus on the final IF pieces, to the extent they can, given Arod’s uncertainty.

    Roster flexibility has priority, given that the offense is basically fixed.

    Assets only requiring money will be prioritized, as will complementary players.

    So look for action on Infante, Baker (nice RH complement to either Johnson or Choo, can play multi positions).

    Remember that there are only 2 OFers on board with 2015 contracts, and none available in FA next year, so Choo is still in play, as will be the trade market.

    Bullpen will get ramped up….Balfour is at the top of the list, as is Logan.

    You’ll see some interest in reclamation projects (Sizemore, etc.).

    That’s the activity focus this weekend. The trading will happen at the WM.

    Those are my whispers….

  3. mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Good summary Chad.
    If Johnson is the 2B it frees up money for the Balfour and Tanaka/SP but we still need a 3B unless Nunez gets it for now.
    Arod could be back in 2nd half.

  4. Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:03 am
    Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 8:50 am
    What a terrible mistake Cano made going with Jay Z instead of Boras.
    —————————————
    why you say that

    Yeah, he got Cano a lump sum. No opt out years in contract to give him a chance at another huge payday. As a music mogul who’s about much more than just music, he wasn’t interested in creating the same thing for his client. Cano is now just another ballplayer contracted for one lump sum over 10 years.

  5. wanzies222 December 7th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    mick -

    Don’t worry about freeing up money….Hal certainly isn’t. It’s about putting the best team out there. Johnson is a nice complement, but not a full-timer, IMO.

  6. mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    when jz asked for the bump from9 to 10 yrs and 15m, does anyone think that 15 went directly into his pocket?

  7. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    @robneyer: The 2013 Yankees were (a lot!) worse than you thought and they’ve lost their best player. What’s next?

    Thanks Country. I’ve always liked Neyer. Sensible, factual, analytical.

  8. mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    wanzies

    would you say phillips at 2nd or infante, just b/c he would be easier to get?

  9. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:19 am
    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:14 am
    Joeman-

    He has value to a team that needs him.
    ————————————————-
    not to many rumors about that no even a smell only the ones started here which mean nothing..although I think the NYY are reading my stuff because everything I say happens ….

    LMAO

  10. wanzies222 December 7th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    mick -

    I like Infante at 2B…. younger, less decline in his game, not a horrible glove. Hits just about everything he swings at.

    Plus, if you go get Phillips, he’s going to cost you something that you could otherwise use to build the farm.

  11. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Hi again guys.

    Guess you can tell I’m pumped.

    You should be too.

    Wait till you see the finished product.

    Already looking good.

    ;)

  12. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 9:15 am
    joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:03 am
    Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 8:50 am
    What a terrible mistake Cano made going with Jay Z instead of Boras.
    —————————————
    why you say that

    Yeah, he got Cano a lump sum. No opt out years in contract to give him a chance at another huge payday. As a music mogul who’s about much more than just music, he wasn’t interested in creating the same thing for his client. Cano is now just another ballplayer contracted for one lump sum over 10 years.
    ——————————————————-
    never have to worry about money the rest of his life..will retire around 40 get himself a wife make babies & live on a island

  13. mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Did anyone hear that Beltre rumor yesterday or was that just some caller who mispronounced Beltran?

    Either way Mike F went along with it.

  14. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    GregD December 7th, 2013 at 6:37 am
    Good morning Country and Hans

    Hey Greg! Sorry I missed this. :)

  15. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    joeman-

    Just keep plunking your magic twanger froggy.

    finish the job.

    ;)

  16. wanzies222 December 7th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    mick -

    Additionally, Infante can play elsewhere if need be. Plus, he’s a team guy. Phillips has some issues that are better left in Cincinnati.

  17. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:22 am
    Hi again guys.

    Guess you can tell I’m pumped.

    You should be too.

    Wait till you see the finished product.

    Already looking good.
    —————————————-
    you agree…3rd and or 2nd baseman..SPer like a #2 or #3…a closer

  18. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    The rest of baseball should be taking a dump about now.

    They surely will when they see the finished product.

    Hal is kicking them right in the groin.

    As it should be.

    Think Monster truck.

    With rest of baseball as the cars beneath her wheels.

    :)

  19. Cashmoney December 7th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    in this order Frontline starter, 2b/3b guy and a closer, then you got a team who can match up with the elites of AL. ideally, i like a big rh bat but that might not be realistic at this point.

  20. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:23 am
    joeman-

    Just keep plunking your magic twanger froggy.

    finish the job.
    ———————————–
    you’ll be hearing from me when I feel something will POP

  21. mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    wanzies

    like i said before , i think there will more moves this weekend before the meetings.

    could be infante deal is being wrapped up as we speak, money issues of course.

    if nothing, as you said, there will be trades at the WM and Phillips should go.

  22. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    I love the smell of metal crunching in the morning.

    Don’t you ?

    :)

  23. wanzies222 December 7th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    joeman -

    Order of priority:

    2B (Infante)
    BP (Balfour, Logan)
    Complimentary, a la Baker
    3B will wait on Arod for finality, as they will have pieces in place already
    SP will wait until Tanaka decision is made, but trades will be pursued at WM

  24. mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    choo looks to be out.

  25. wanzies222 December 7th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    mick -

    I’m not sure Phillips will be traded. Word is he made peace with the FO after they left his off the bus and they are all kissie-face now.

    But, yes, there’s more that will happen this weekend, to be sure.

    Billy Beane is not a WM guy, so you could see Anderson moved this weekend.

  26. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Joe,

    You have been our Nostradamus. Pretty impressive. Visions? A magic eight ball? Actual thought?

  27. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    just to many pieces in the OF a couple have to leave…..wonder if Sea would have interest in Ichiro…..

  28. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    “you agree…3rd and or 2nd baseman..SPer like a #2 or #3…a closer”

    Yes. #4 is good enough but more is better.

    LOOGY too. Logan or O’Flaherty. Two is better.

    A young ss or 3b for the future.

    Maybe a GGBG backfill.

    That’s my Rx.

    A ground-pounding killer of a machine.

    :)

  29. wanzies222 December 7th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    mick -

    I’m still hearing Choo-talk, but only if the price is right. The FO concern is not having enough OF in 2015, so a guy like Choo might be still in play.

    Don’t be surprised if you hear some talk about Cruz as well.

  30. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    And to those who think our Farm completely sucks.

    I say this.

    Wrong.

    Just watch.

    ;)

  31. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Peter Gabriel is singing, ” Biko “. Sweet peace, Nelson.

  32. wanzies222 December 7th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    joeman -

    SD/SF has been my prediction for Ichiro for some time now…. Yanks eat a bit of dough, something could happen there.

  33. mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    would be happy with infante and gardner at 8 and 9
    johnson/nunez up 7th for now.

    bench of ichiro, cervelli, johnson/nunez, ryan.
    wells should go

  34. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Bye bye Vernon.

    Don’t let the door hit you on your way out.

    ;)

  35. wanzies222 December 7th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    MTU -

    The hard work has been done. The tux is fitted. This is about cufflinks and bowties now.

  36. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Trade Ichiro after he helps us recruit Mr. T.

    He’ll be closer to home on the West coast.

  37. mick December 7th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    McCann said he took #34 for O’Flaherty.
    Would he give it up if he came here?

  38. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Joe’s at the end of his Bobby Orr rope, I’m taking over,….with a little help from, Juliette Binoche and Naomi Watts, not to mention that change the face of English literature person, Plath.

  39. Cashmoney December 7th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    wanzie, i am not sure you can say that with this starting rotation, yanks are still missing a major piece or 2 imo.

  40. blake December 7th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    CountryClub says:
    December 7, 2013 at 9:06 am
    @robneyer: The 2013 Yankees were (a lot!) worse than you thought and they’ve lost their best player. What’s next?

    http://www.baseballnation.com/…..ran-signed

    Well yea…..they were extremely fortunate to win 85
    Last year

  41. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Steve-

    maybe a nice belt and a new set of boots and a wallet.

    Either ostrich or snakeskin.

    I’m partial to the latter.

    Behold. A Pinstriped Dragon !

    :)

  42. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 9:31 am
    Joe,

    You have been our Nostradamus. Pretty impressive. Visions? A magic eight ball? Actual thought?
    ————————————
    I was called obnoxious here by someone that is as far from the truth as you can get I just like to play around a lot….like toot my horn but all kidding aside just all luck

  43. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    “And you don’t seem to know what’s happening here. Do you Mr. Jones ?”

    :)

  44. wanzies222 December 7th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Cashmoney -

    Clearly, more work to be done, but the timing of those pieces is more market-dependent, IMO.

    I think the FO needs to wait to see if Tanaka is posted and then to see what Arod’s disposition is.

    In the meantime, they have some smaller stuff to do.

    However, that assumes, in my world, that Infante will be resolved soon, as will another OF.

  45. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    blake December 7th, 2013 at 9:37 am
    CountryClub says:
    December 7, 2013 at 9:06 am
    @robneyer: The 2013 Yankees were (a lot!) worse than you thought and they’ve lost their best player. What’s next?

    http://www.baseballnation.com/…..ran-signed

    Well yea…..they were extremely fortunate to win 85
    Last year
    ——————————
    correct they played Houston what 4 games ..I think the Astros left town before they got there

  46. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    jmills December 7th, 2013 at 9:35 am
    Joe’s at the end of his Bobby Orr rope, I’m taking over,….with a little help from, Juliette Binoche and Naomi Watts, not to mention that change the face of English literature person, Plath.
    ————————
    I’m dizzy

  47. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    I really can’t blow my cover it was a oath

  48. yankee21 December 7th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    I haven’t had a chance to weigh in on what has been the most interesting OS since 2008.

    1. I don’t fault Cano for bolting to SEA for the $$$ and NYY ownership for letting him go. I would have done the same thing if I were the owner. NY made their bed a couple years back by not extending him and last winter by not trading him. So inevitably they put themselves into a dilemma by either over-paying or letting a marquee player walk over a draft choice. IMO they made the better of two bad options.
    2. Glad Grandy is no longer part of the mix. As much as he is highly respected, I believe he is just a power guy and offers little to nothing else. Hope he does well as a Met.
    3. Beltran and McCann are good signings, at/near market level.
    4. Ellsbury is a clear over-pay but that is the market and NY is desperate for OF help. Since they are incapable of developing they had to go out on the market again.
    5. Kelly Johnson was a good pick-up.
    6. Very glad Kuroda-san is coming back for 1 more year.

    The Yankees have freed up some potential trade pieces by getting McCann, Ellsbury and Beltran, so the WM will be interesting.

    I see NY as an 86-87 win team right now. In order to be at the 90+ level they need a front line starter (CC returning to form would help) and a real, everyday 3B.

    On Dec 7, a full 4 months before the season begins what strikes me as the most important development for NY returning to the PS will be if CC can return to form. If he can, NY has built a line-up that can compete much better than in 2013.

  49. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    see you never know who you are chatting with on here…

  50. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    There’s a funny story about Plath having to listen to a McCarthy lecture. Of course, Sylvia was beside herself with regards to protecting freedom. This all took place at her all woman’s U just outside Boston. Plath hadn’t met Sexton yet and had yet to share afternoon drinks at the Ritz. Sexton, the domestic witch, and Plath, the academic; wonderful combination!

  51. Cashmoney December 7th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Wanzie, Tanaka is the biggest piece that requires no talent in return, but you are right it is not up to the yanks as to when and if he will be posted. Yanks needs 200 quality innings somewhere if he is not posted.

  52. yankee21 December 7th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    One other point that strikes me on Dec 7 well into the Post Season is why Newman still has a job with the Yankees.

    More than any other factor, the Yankees absolute failure to develop ML ready talent over an extended period of time has driven the need to continually go out in the market and buy it.

    He should have been fired long ago, along with a whole lot of other people.

  53. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    “Someone asked me why. I said, why not ?”

    “Someone asked me how. I said, it’s already done.”

    “Someone asked if I could. I said, let me show you ? ”

    “Someone said I doubt it. I said the doubt is all but gone.”

    “I said, You are you late to the party. They said, I have just arrived.”

    :)

  54. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    my cell is ringing it could be Terry O’Reilly

  55. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Im telling you all right I’m not who you think I am

  56. Doreen December 7th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Wow, I disconnected from the internet and fell asleep early last night, and wake up to the Beltran news.

    So wish they had gotten him either one of the first two times he was available, but, I am hopeful he still has something to give us over at least the next 2 years. It is not great they had to go 3 years, but it is what it is.

    yankeefeminista, and those talking about the farm and the real promise at the lower levels, sometime during this season I was reading something about the Pittsburgh Pirates, and in the article it talked about how it takes about 9 years to revamp a farm system. So, all might not be lost for us here in Yankeeland. However, it does mean that the Cashman and crew kind of over-promised on that front, and should have been more honest about how long it could take. Perhaps then people wouldn’t be AS disappointed as some of us are. The other thing is they did have some good pieces there, but they were used in trade (not going down that path in specifics). In order to try to force the issue, they drafted a lot of high risk guys that really did not pan out.

    I am certain they need to work on pitching development – I can see where they must be some specific approaches that could make a difference. But as far as development position players, how? This is what is always missing for me from the discussions on the Yankees’ lack of proficiency at developing players. How? What specifically are they doing or not doing? “Development” seems pretty ethereal to me without an idea of what exactly they do in the minor leagues besides play the games, take batting practice, fielding practice and watch videos. I know they get coached on the finer points of all aspects of the game, but how might they go about that that would make a ton of difference?

    It also seems to me that you do have to get lucky in terms of either talent and/or drive of the players you draft. There are guys who get drafted later who don’t have the obvious talent, but who just have whatever drive is necessary to do whatever is necessary to improve themselves. It’s part of it – it’s not all on the team. I’m not saying the Yankees are doing all they can here, believe me. What I’m saying is I don’t know what they are doing or what they are not doing, specifically, that is hurting them in the system.

    But again, the point was, it can take longer than one realizes or that we are led to believe to remake your system.

    Also, had they kept Austin Jackson for instance, would people be at least a little mollified?

  57. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Crap, I have to get my oil and a burned out headlight changed. Later.

    Hugs

  58. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Joeman-

    I am nothing if not trustworthy.

    I would not ask a Man to break an oath.

    A Man is his word.

    I will take some things to my grave.

    ;)

  59. blake December 7th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    “I’m still hearing Choo-talk, but only if the price is right. The FO concern is not having enough OF in 2015, so a guy like Choo might be still in play.”

    OF is one of the only places where they actually have a little hope on the farm…..Id still love to get Choo or kemp …..

  60. blake December 7th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    I think if they thought they could deal Gardner for something of value then they might consider Choo …..

    They really need infield help more at the moment though

  61. blake December 7th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    And pitching

  62. 86w183 December 7th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    good morning all —-

    Obviously we’d all like Beltran to be younger, but he is clearly the better player than Granderson at the same AAV and one less year. Advantage Yankees.

    Compared with last year the Yanks have improved at LF, CF, RF, DH, C, SS (unless Jeter dies) and 1B. 3B is impossible to say and 2B is MUCH weaker.

    All in all it looks good.

    Gardner for Phillips looks like a real possibility. They would like to put young speedster Billy Hamilton at 2B because he was awful in the OF and with Choo moving on they need a CF. Phillips is one of the top 3-5 2B in the game and would add a little speed and RH power balance to the lineup.

    Thoughts?

  63. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Snow today.

    Did I mention I hate cold.

    This is supposed to be a desert.

    :)

  64. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Blake if Choo was on their radar I would have to think they would have signed him first…Bel was always on their list

  65. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:54 am
    Snow today.

    Did I mention I hate cold.

    This is supposed to be a desert.
    ———————–
    where are you again

  66. Ghost of Steinbrenner December 7th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    With the extra outfielders why no talk about putting Soriano at 2nd base?

  67. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    What a great OS.

    And it is only going to get better.

    My oh my.

    Hal has opened his can of whoopa*s

    :)

  68. yankee21 December 7th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    The benefit of Phillips is he is not that far removed from being an all star. However, I’d opt to r buy Infante and Drew, because then you have the Infield set if Jeter can no longer be Jeter.

    Keep Gardner around 1 more year. I think having a real base stealer on the team now in Ellsbury will energize him. Also I like Gardner as a trade chip if the opportunity arises for pitching help.

  69. Cashmoney December 7th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Doreen, Pits is one of the worst run organization in the past 2 decades, how long does it take cards, red sox and rays to revamp? In general, i think it takes 4-5 years for farm to produce MLB talents, NY’s spending gives the farm ample time to produce something useful, to date, they haven’t. I think 14 is huge year for NYY farm system, a lot high end pieces fell below expectations or were injured.

  70. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Joeman-

    I am everywhere but nowhere.

    ;)

  71. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    CT. is completely over taxed.

    :(

  72. ac1 December 7th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    There was talk of soriano then we noted it’s been a long time and he would be terrible at 2nd

  73. Wave Your Hat December 7th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    MTU-

    Snow must make for some great pictures.

  74. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Some good points 21.

    ;)

  75. Chip December 7th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    What happened with that Cuban SS that was on the market last year?

  76. Frozen Rope II December 7th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Seriously. Stick Soriano back at second. He’d be better defensively than Nunez and probably put out average or above average production.

  77. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    You folks like woodworking ?

    Should be fun watching the Yankees bevel the rest of baseball’s edges again.

    :)

  78. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 9:59 am
    CT. is completely over taxed.
    —————————
    don’t I know…I’ll bet your in a state with a very low tax rate because your a very smart person

  79. yankee21 December 7th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Soriano needs to stay in LF or the DH. He should be a 2B only if 3-4 other IF get injured or lifted in the same game.

  80. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Sori hasn’t played 2nd base in like 10 years..not going to happen

  81. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    If the $189 can take the hit, I would call the Padres about whether Headley is available. If he is, I see about a deal invovling Gardner. That would result in roughly $5 Mill being added to the payroll. If it comes down to Headley vs Reynolds, I go Headley. The Yanks need to keep the DH slot open with Jeet being questionable physically, and Beltran, TEX early on, and McCann needing frequent 1\2 days off. Having Soriano filling the DH slot would hinder constructing the lineup almost on a daily basis. I’m guessing that Stephen Drew’s price vs the $189 probably puts him Off Limits. Then I would look at 2B, and go with Infante if the $189 can handle it. If not, Johnson at 2B is No slouch. I’m Not big on trading for Phillips. Likable player, but he is in decline. The $$$ vs $189 may come down to Tanaka or Infante. If that be the case, I go with chasing Tanaka and Johnson gets 2B.

  82. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    ever try to vacuum at house with 2 boxers in the house…I’m not going to blow my cover

  83. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Passed out last night watching MLBNet and the rumor mill wake up this morning with another present under the tree :)

    Monster truck, I like that MTU! Let’s crush them.

    Joeman definitely has an eye to the future.

  84. Chip December 7th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    In DC for a wedding. There is speculation down here that the signing ofMcLouth for what he got is a precursor for a Werth trade. Heard one guy mention Werth and Espinosa to NYY

  85. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    WYH-

    You mean like these:

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/WinterScenes?authkey=Gv1sRgCKbcpqj51bqb-QE#

    :)

  86. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I’m trying to keep track of things here, so let me ask a couple of questions. Yankees lost 1st round pick 2014. They also lost the two compensatory picks they got for Cano and Granderson. Correct? Do they also lose the 1st round slot money?

  87. exiledintampa December 7th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    They need infield help badly. If we start Ryan, Nunez, and Johnson together, it ain’t gonna be pretty

  88. Wave Your Hat December 7th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Pitching is half the game at least and right now the Yanks have big questions there. Time for them to shift the focus.

  89. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    someday I’ll let the cat out of the bag….but I’m dropping hints all over the place

  90. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Joeman-

    No I’m not.

    I’m here for the produce.

    :)

  91. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Joeman-

    I am here because the Good Lord wants me to be.

    ;)

  92. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    I have a job he needs me to do.

    :)

  93. Wave Your Hat December 7th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Great pictures. MTU you got talent.

  94. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    heard McCann is moving to Greenwich CT

  95. blake December 7th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    joeman says:
    December 7, 2013 at 9:55 am
    Blake if Choo was on their radar I would have to think they would have signed him first…Bel was always on their list

    Boras is gonna use Choo as the bell of the ball at the winter meetings….he’s in no rush Id imagine

  96. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    never have to worry about money the rest of his life..will retire around 40 get himself a wife make babies & live on a island

    ———————

    Oh yea this is life changing generational money.

  97. 86w183 December 7th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    I can see the benefits in keeping Gardner. But Phillips is WAY better than Infante or Drew as a 2B both offensively and defensively. And he’s only 15 months older than Infante.

    You do that deal and here’s a potential lineup:

    CF Ellsbury
    SS Jeter
    2B Phillips
    RF Beltran
    1B Teixeira
    LF Soriano
    C McCann
    DH Wells/Ichiro — though I’d prefer moving Ichiro and adding Almonte
    3B Johnson/Nunez

    Add Ryan, Cervelli and 12 pitchers and you got a team… a MUCH better team offensively and defensively than 2013, though pitching is not as good as of today.

  98. Chip December 7th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Due to lying about his age, he is 21 not 23, Cuban SS Almadys Diaz cant sign until February. I expect the Yanks to bid heavily since they also don’t have a draft pick before round 2 at earliest.

  99. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Joeman-

    What is so tough about vacuuming in your underwear ?

    I do it all the time.

    By the way, cats and dogs don’t generally mix well.

    ;)

  100. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 10:09 am
    never have to worry about money the rest of his life..will retire around 40 get himself a wife make babies & live on a island

    ———————

    Oh yea this is life changing generational money.
    —————————
    his kids kids kids won’t have to worry about $$$$$$$$$$$

  101. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    - Saturday AM Yankee Priorities -

    (1) 3B – Headley and Reynolds

    (2) 2B – Infante and Johnson

    (3) SP- Tanaka

  102. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:10 am
    Joeman-

    What is so tough about vacuuming in your underwear ?

    I do it all the time.

    By the way, cats and dogs don’t generally mix well.
    —————————————————
    to cold for underwear…I keep the house temp at 64

  103. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Can’t wait to see Cano’s Papi beard.

  104. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    WYH-

    Very kind of you. Much appreciated.

    Like I said. I have a job to do.

    I have been given the honor and the privilege.

    It’s a labor of love.

    I’m a lucky Man.

    :)

  105. 86w183 December 7th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    chores are callin’….. later friends

    Have a day

  106. Chip December 7th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Sign Eric Chavez to play 3b and play Johnson at 2b?

  107. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Joeman-

    I don’t know why you have Boxers.

    You should have some sort of “toy” dog.

    ;)

  108. Chip December 7th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    There are probably more 3b available than 2b: Chavez, Headley, Callaspo, Panda, Reynolds…a Chavez/Reynolds platoon probably works

  109. PRDENTIST December 7th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    I have been looking at the loss of production from Cano and this is what I see: 27 HR, 107 RBI’s and 81 runs. Gone. But, I see Beltran 24 HR, 84 RBI’s and 79 runs. I see McCann 20 HR, 59 RBI’s and 43 runs. I see Elly 9 HR, 53 RBI’s and 92 runs. These are replacing player who were not productive at all. Then, I see Jeter- healthy- 15 HR, 58 RBI’s, and 99 runs.
    Then I see Tex-healthy- with 24HR, 84 RBI’s, and 66runs. IF…these last two hit like the year before, I think the Yankees will be alright. I worry more about the pitching. If CC doesn’t return to normal and some of the others have a bad year (phelps, Nova, pineda) it will not matter what offense we have.

  110. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Chavez is not good enough.

    We deserve more.

    ;)

  111. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Chavez has continued to prove he can Not play even close to full-time.

  112. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Besides, I think the Snakes have already bitten him.

  113. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Omar Sharif was one heck of an actor.

    ;)

  114. Wave Your Hat December 7th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Only problem there Chip is will Chavez stay healthy. I like the idea of Johnson as an everyday player. They need to watch the dollars on the hitting side now so they have enough to get the pitching they need.

  115. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Marlon Brando was exceptional too.

  116. blake December 7th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Headley is best if they can get him….good defender….gets on base….switch hitter

  117. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    You guys continue to focus on Cano’s numbers and replacing those stats. What you should be looking at is the lineup the Yanks used to win 85 games, and compare that to the lineup they Currently have. It’s a Team game.

  118. blake December 7th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Kelly will hit 20 homers in YS if he plays enough games

  119. pat December 7th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Probably just a coincidence all this happened the week the season ticket renewals charges are due.

  120. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    I read Beltran turned down more from the D-Backs to come here I wonder what Cano’s dad thinks about that.

  121. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    When you run a race in 1st place all the way it makes no frickin’ sense to quit right at the finish line.

    You finish the race.

    ;)

  122. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Brando is over rated. Reminds me of Orson Wells. Good actors, but that is it.

  123. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    pat-

    I think it more to do w the approaching WM.

    ;)

  124. Chip December 7th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    MTU

    The problem is that the Yanks have a 3b under contract next year so they can’t really look at a long term guy there.

    I think you get Chavez, sign Diaz in Feb to eventually be Jeter’s heir but if he is ready to play midseason you can use him at 2b with Johnson at 3b or 3b with Johnson at 2b.

    I think those are better options than Infante and I don’t think Drew wants to be anything other than a ss

  125. blake December 7th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    RhapsodyInBlue says:
    December 7, 2013 at 10:13 am
    Can’t wait to see Cano’s Papi beard.

    I posted a picture of it this morning…..he already has one like his hero

  126. Ghost of Steinbrenner December 7th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Please don’t mention Chavez. He’s done. I’d rather have Nunez there and that’s not saying much.

  127. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:15 am
    Joeman-

    I don’t know why you have Boxers.

    You should have some sort of “toy” dog.
    ————————————————————

    gas in CT is over $3.50 a gallon…only 2 states are higher

  128. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    DB-

    This Brando is not over rated at all.

    By the way, your Team comment is spot on !

    You get it.

    ;)

  129. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Did anyone happen to catch what the Sux did last year ?

    ;)

  130. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Chip-

    No they don’t.

    A-rod is as good as gone.

    ;)

  131. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Headley makes the most sense. Both he and Gardner will become free agents after 2014.

  132. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    my favorite in order…another hint of who I am

    De Niro
    Nicholson
    Pacino
    Gandolfini

  133. Chip December 7th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Wonder what number Robbie will wear in Seattle

  134. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Joeman-

    You really owe to yourself to have look around these hear United States.

    You might find something you like better.

    I hear it’s a big country.

    ;)

  135. Captain Clutch December 7th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Next up is Infante, a starting pitcher, back end reliever.

  136. Doreen December 7th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Cashmoney

    I wish I could find the article I read and the person it quoted. It was someone I’d heard of and recognized as someone with some credibility, which is why I remember it at all.

    Anyhow, as of now, the Pirates are one of the top farm systems in MLB. And it has taken some time to get there. I don’t disagree that for a long time they were mismanaged, yes nearly 2 decades. But that’s 20 years. So, arguably, the first 10-12 years were lost, but the following 8-9 were better? Definitely that team started showing ML improvement three years ago. Combination of some smart trades and finally either drafting better or development better.

    The Yankees did develop some good, serviceable, players over the last several years, but no stars. Gardner is a good player, Melky was a good player, Austin Jackson, Nova, Robertson, Montero. They traded away their two best prospects, one of whom is having success in Detroit, the other of whom still has a question mark.

    What stands out to me is that the Yankees are cavalier about losing draft picks to replenish or supplement the farm. They lose picks to sign FAs, and they don’t seem to worry about getting anything back when they lose their own FAs or make trades.

    At the bottom of everything, I just want the Yankees to win, I guess whatever it takes. But I also understand that with all of baseball pretty flush with money, and other teams able to go head-to-head with the Yankees to lure FAs (because it’s’ been a long time now since the late 90′s early 2000′s and players were eager to sign here to “get their ring”), the landscape has changed, and so I would like the Yankees to figure it out.

  137. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:24 am
    Did anyone happen to catch what the Sux did last year ?

    ;)
    ————————————
    I’ll bite..Sox in 6 ..I think I said that at least 50 times

  138. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Yankees should Abolish that stupid policy of Not negotiating with a player during the season. This Cano debacle should be the straw\camels back.

  139. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Joeman-

    You’re a Gangster.

    I knew it.

    ;)

  140. Chip December 7th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    MTU

    You are likely right that he’s done here. If the Yanks are committed to releasing him then a trade for Headley makes sense if there is a match. If not, my second choice is Matt Davidson the AZ 3b prospect

  141. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    blake

    Thanks, found your post. Yeah so predictable. I hope he hits .240 in Seattle.

    I won’t boo him when he comes here but no happy send-off from me.

  142. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:27 am
    Joeman-

    You really owe to yourself to have look around these hear United States.

    You might find something you like better.

    I hear it’s a big country.
    ———————————————
    I have two daughters that live here in CT that are off and married, but we see them every weekend..tough to move

  143. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Joeman-

    Wrong answer.

    The correct one is.

    They built a Team.

    ;)

  144. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Out of spare parts and won.

    :)

  145. Hankflorida December 7th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I never thought that Cano would leave and especially to Seattle. To quote from an Irish song ” Robinson I hardly knew ye.” I wish you well against our opponents but not against us.

  146. Bronx Jeers December 7th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Probably just a coincidence all this happened the week the season ticket renewals charges are due.

    —–

    That’s happened before (R Soriano) but these due dates don’t mean as much as they used to.

  147. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Cashmoney December 7th, 2013 at 9:57 am
    Doreen, Pits is one of the worst run organization in the past 2 decades, how long does it take cards, red sox and rays to revamp? In general, i think it takes 4-5 years for farm to produce MLB talents, NY’s spending gives the farm ample time to produce something useful, to date, they haven’t. I think 14 is huge year for NYY farm system, a lot high end pieces fell below expectations or were injured.

    ——————————————-

    Exactly obviously things like luck and injuries play a role but this was supposed to be a pipeline and it isn’t.

  148. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    A lot of liking an actor is their role selection. My Very favorite is Downey Jr, but he is all about the $$$ Now, and he is selecting parts that he can sleep walk through. Going back to before he became a Huge star, he Stole every scene he was in.

  149. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Joeman-

    Think.

    Be a Pioneer.

    You help everyone out that way.

    I did it.

    You can too.

    just a thought.

    :)

  150. Captain Clutch December 7th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    After hearing Cano’s demands from the Yanks($235m and the Yanks could pick if it was 8,9 or 10 years) it’s very obvious that he wasn’t coming back even if the Yanks offered $200m. I think the Yanks knew this all along and that’s why they have been very aggressive going after free agents. Every last dollar was important and he didn’t care if he had to play in Alaska to get it.

  151. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:29 am
    Joeman-

    You’re a Gangster.

    I knew it.
    —————————
    getting warm but from now on hints will be more infrequent

  152. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    And if I can do it anyone can.

    Because I’m average. And really nothing out of the ordinary.

    ;)

  153. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2013 at 10:28 am
    Yankees should Abolish that stupid policy of Not negotiating with a player during the season. This Cano debacle should be the straw\camels back.

    —————–

    2011

    Cano: What about an extension
    Yankees: We don’t do extensions play out the last two yrs of your contract.

    Makes sense right why extend him and actually save money on a deal.

  154. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    There are probably more 3b available than 2b: Chavez, Headley, Callaspo, Panda, Reynolds…a Chavez/Reynolds platoon probably works

    Eric Chavez? With Chavez expected to get the lion’s share of at bats because he is a left handed hitter? He’s never stayed healthy.

  155. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:33 am
    Joeman-

    Think.

    Be a Pioneer.

    You help everyone out that way.

    I did it.

    You can too.

    just a thought.
    ——————————
    not ready to retire yet..can’t afford the medical

  156. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Thanks, found your post. Yeah so predictable. I hope he hits .240 in Seattle.

    I won’t boo him when he comes here but no happy send-off from me.

    You’re a big man.

  157. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Gardner for Panda….

  158. Cashmoney December 7th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Doreen, they did not draft well til the past five years. 1. they were in ideal position to draft some consensus talents like a Cole along with positional player like Alvarez (who really hasn’t blossom the way they want) but the point is they decide to expand their scouting dept and were intrepid about giving out top money for June or IFA talent. The point here is with good scouting dept and aggressive spending you can rebuild in about 4-5 years. Now i don’t think yankee are ever in that position, but you got gamble on guys like Cepedes, Puig, Chapman or draft better. I am discounting the fact you can spent big on the unknowns and fail miserably.

    but right now, NYY got one way to obtain talents , that is overpaid on FA market.

  159. Cashmoney December 7th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    I like Panda, but is he too fat to play 3b?

  160. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Thanks randy

  161. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    I read Beltran turned down more from the D-Backs to come here I wonder what Cano’s dad thinks about that.

    He likely doesn’t care as much as you do.

  162. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Cashmoney December 7th, 2013 at 10:38 am
    I like Panda, but is he too fat to play 3b?
    —————————
    get CC to put him on his diet

  163. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    the dark knight returns incognito.

    Mr. storm cloud weighs in.

  164. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    8HR flight from Cano’s home to Seattle. That’s what the Old Man is thinking about.

  165. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    remember joba came to ST and said he added 20 lbs of muscle in the off-season

  166. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Doesn’t Herbert T. Gillis have some shelves to stock in the soup aisle?

  167. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Well. It looks like everyone is coming up to speed nicely so my work is done.

    :)

  168. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    I really enjoy chatting w you folks.

    You’re nice people.

    :)

  169. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I pass on Panda. You’re just trading for another team’s headache. Likeable player, but physically the guy is train wreck bound. Reminds me of Da Meat Hook. They just refuse to take care of themselves.

  170. vrsce December 7th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:41 am
    remember joba came to ST and said he added 20 lbs of muscle in the off-season
    ———————————————————–
    All between the ears.

  171. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Cano is gone who cares…lets concentrate on the future

  172. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    vrsce December 7th, 2013 at 10:43 am
    joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:41 am
    remember joba came to ST and said he added 20 lbs of muscle in the off-season
    ———————————————————–
    All between the ears.
    —————————-
    yes his head was huge

  173. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    DONNYBROOK

    But now Papa Cano can make that trip in the family jet.

  174. DONNYBROOK December 7th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I liked Herbert T. Especially in “It’s A Wonderful Life”. VERY under appreciated character actor.

  175. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:42 am
    I really enjoy chatting w you folks.

    You’re nice people.
    ———————————–
    catch you later …oops another hint…..gtg get the leaves out of the gutters

  176. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    “Cano is gone who cares…lets concentrate on the future”.

    Capital idea sir.

    I heartily approve.

    :)

  177. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    lets concentrate on the future

    —————–

    The present looks good maybe even great but the future is a little shaky

  178. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Joeman-

    Whoever you are it is obvious you are a big Yankee fan.

    And that’s all that really matters.

    ;)

  179. Doreen December 7th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Cashmoney -

    Can’t really argue that they’ve not done particularly well last few years. Even if 9 years is an exaggeration by whoever it was that said it, I guess my point is the Yankees had a very poor farm system to begin with. They did raise their mL standing, but then stagnated (for all the reasons that have been put forth here), and now, have regressed at at the upper levels, and then the drive for 189 kicked in and everything else got put on the back burner.

    I’m not trying to excuse the Yankees here, just saying that it can take longer than we anticipated (especially if it’s not the priority, which it obviously was not). I will say that I think Cashman was all in on making the farm system better, but I don’t believe ownership was ever as committed as it needed to be.

  180. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    @McCulloughSL: The Post’s George King reports Robinson Cano did not like playing for Joe Girardi, in part because he occasionally batted 2nd. Not #TrueSABR

  181. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    In DC for a wedding. There is speculation down here that the signing ofMcLouth for what he got is a precursor for a Werth trade. Heard one guy mention Werth and Espinosa to NYY.

    A guy at the wedding mentioned it? Was his name Rizzo? I just haven’t heard, read or seen anything like that and I live there. All indications is that McClouth is OF depth. All Espinzoza would be is IF depth. He can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat.

  182. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    @TylerKepner: @McCulloughSL “He hits second — that’s totally different than third or fourth in a lineup,” someone told Esquire in 2001.

  183. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    It has begun only took a day to start.

  184. Chip December 7th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Hans

    It was on the radio. Wasnt in the car long enough to catch who said it. The speculation was that Nate got a lot of money for a bench role and the only OF they would platoon is Span who is also LH

  185. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Sweeney Murti is reporting it was the Ellsbury deal that did it for Cano. That would make sense. Being offered only a little more then an injury prone CF with a rag arm and a .345 OBP might do it. :)

  186. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Ells looks fat too randy

  187. jacksquat December 7th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    ountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 10:56 am
    @McCulloughSL: The Post’s George King reports Robinson Cano did not like playing for Joe Girardi, in part because he occasionally batted 2nd. Not #TrueSABR

    More likely because he told him to run to first base.

  188. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 10:50 am
    Joeman-

    Whoever you are it is obvious you are a big Yankee fan.

    And that’s all that really matters
    ——————————————-
    went to my first NYY game a loooooooooooooooooooong time ago
    hint ..Andy Carey player 3rd

  189. vrsce December 7th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Who cares what did it for Cano! He is gone. So is ARod. Look back or ahead, your choice.

  190. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Hans

    It was on the radio. Wasnt in the car long enough to catch who said it. The speculation was that Nate got a lot of money for a bench role and the only OF they would platoon is Span who is also LH

    That’s interesting. I will dig deeper. I cannot see the Yankees being interested in either Werth or Espinosa at present. OF is loaded and Espinosa was replaced by Rendon because he couldn’t hit.

  191. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    vrsce December 7th, 2013 at 11:05 am
    Who cares what did it for Cano! He is gone. So is ARod. Look back or ahead, your choice.
    —————————–
    Bingo

  192. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Doreen December 7th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Cashmoney -

    Can’t really argue that they’ve not done particularly well last few years. Even if 9 years is an exaggeration by whoever it was that said it, I guess my point is the Yankees had a very poor farm system to begin with. They did raise their mL standing, but then stagnated (for all the reasons that have been put forth here), and now, have regressed at at the upper levels, and then the drive for 189 kicked in and everything else got put on the back burner.

    I’m not trying to excuse the Yankees here, just saying that it can take longer than we anticipated (especially if it’s not the priority, which it obviously was not). I will say that I think Cashman was all in on making the farm system better, but I don’t believe ownership was ever as committed as it needed to be.

    ——

    I realize I’m just an idiot fan but I don’t understand why people in the Yanks front office who are supposedly smarter than me haven’t grasped the enormous importance of player development, especially when Hal and Co. are hell bent on Project $189M.

    It would seem to behoove the Steinbrenners to really focus invest wisely in that area with the best scouts and baseball minds they can find, which would certainly be far cheaper than any of the big contracts they’ve doled out so far this winter.

    The more youngsters the organization can produce the easier it would be to build a sustainable winner long term and keep the payroll down to boot.

    SMH.

  193. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    It has begun only took a day to start.

    Yes I know. Even then its still hard to believe.

  194. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    four mentions that i could find of nelson mandela’s passing on the blog the past three days.

    no mention from chad that i could find…
    //

    Hey, consider me a fifth: I didn’t mention it but I felt it and discussed it with my real friends.

    A smart commenter here once commented that this place isn’t necessarily composed of people you’d spend time with in real life, and I think that’s quite right.

    I had a problem with a great deal of the derisive references, like “Big Lips” (JayZ) and “dreadlocks” in here yesterday that were both a tasteless attempt at humor: I think the lack of response to those by the “larger” community, is probably a good reason why those people are still posting here and why there were only four acknowledgements of Mandela’s passing.

    On another note, today is the day that will live in infamy, speaking of historic matters, but as a Yankee fan, personally speaking, yesterday was such a day.

  195. blake December 7th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    “Thanks, found your post. Yeah so predictable. I hope he hits .240 in Seattle.”

    I’m trying to be mature about it but I really dislike him rigt now ….of course I probably wouldn’t have turned down 90 million difference either but I’m a fan so ……

  196. AAA December 7th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Gardner for Panda….

    =====================

    People need to be realistic about the return the team could get for 1 year of Gardner. Consider the return on 4 years Aoki. That’s more in the neighborhood of what the Yankees could expect, ‘cept maybe less. He’s probably more valuable to the Yankees as a Yankee than he is trade bait.

  197. blake December 7th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    CountryClub says:
    December 7, 2013 at 10:56 am
    @McCulloughSL: The Post’s George King reports Robinson Cano did not like playing for Joe Girardi, in part because he occasionally batted 2nd. Not #TrueSABR

    Statistics show that your best hitter should probably hit 2nd

  198. tucker December 7th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Gardner’s probably the only guy on the roster with trade value. Ichiro’s value is upside down because he’s paid more than he is worth. Wells is basically free this season, but can he play?

    Joeman has a good thought on Panda, but he’s a cult hero in SF and an important part of their lineup. And they already have a CF in Angel Pagan. So who knows? Panda would be another great bat in the Yanks lineup, girth and all.

  199. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    vrsce December 7th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Who cares what did it for Cano! He is gone. So is ARod. Look back or ahead, your choice.
    ///

    You’re the same guy who told a poster to root for Seattle.

    smh

    I guess it’s hard to grasp that losing a GG LH2B who has mashed and put up great numbers for nine years might make some people upset, even sentimental.

    He just signed with another team; no one has to match your indifference and threshhold of 1 day to “get over it.”

  200. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    I’m trying to be mature about it but I really dislike him rigt now ….of course I probably wouldn’t have turned down 90 million difference either but I’m a fan so ……

    ————————

    That’s just the anger talking. When he comes back like Sori looking to put us over the top all will be forgotten :)

  201. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    When you’ve got an outfield consisting of two 37yr old corner outfielders and an injury prone center fielder it would seem Gardner’s value to the Yanks is significantly higher than anyone else.

  202. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    I’m trying to be mature about it

    Really? You’re doing a very poor job.

  203. AAA December 7th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Gardner’s probably the only guy on the roster with trade value.

    =========================

    He’s a distant second to Nova in terms of trade value, but those two are it.

  204. Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    There’s no reason to not dislike Cano right now

  205. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Giuseppe Franco…you remember Andy Carey

  206. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    CountryClub says:
    December 7, 2013 at 10:56 am
    @McCulloughSL: The Post’s George King reports Robinson Cano did not like playing for Joe Girardi, in part because he occasionally batted 2nd.

    That’s a dumb reason. Doesn’t sound as convincing as getting offered only a little more than a Brett Gardner clone who can actually steal bases.

  207. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    No, can’t say I do.

  208. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    AAA December 7th, 2013 at 11:14 am
    Gardner’s probably the only guy on the roster with trade value.

    =========================

    He’s a distant second to Nova in terms of trade value, but those two are it.
    ———————————-
    just saying DRob has value

  209. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Andy Carey? Played mostly 3B. College guy from California IIRC.

  210. AAA December 7th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    There’s no reason to not dislike Cano right now

    ============================

    That’s ridiculous.

  211. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    There’s no reason to not dislike Cano right now

    Not if your a 12 year old and you have to buy a new jersey.

  212. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    does anyone here remember Andy Carey

  213. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    the dark knight returns incognito.

    Mr. storm cloud weighs in.
    ///

    Rhapsody in Blue,

    I did not appreciate your derisive reference to “dreadlocks” yesterday.

    I think it’s probably best if we all refrain from enthnocentric slurs and epithets.

    After all, someone was banned for that, and we wouldn’t want that to happen to you :)

  214. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Carey played on the great Yankee teams with Mickey and Yogi.

  215. pat December 7th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Were fans angry at Andy when he went to Houston?

  216. vrsce December 7th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Prufrock

    Your sermonizing is mostly sanctimonious snivelling

    The fact that you trolled through an entire day of posts to count only “4 ” responses to Mandela’s passing speaks volumes about your petty self righteous nature. What a puling miserable creature you are.

  217. pkyankfan69 December 7th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    If by some chance the Yanks do still look into Kemp I think the Dodgers would be interested in one of our catching prospects… Ellis is nothing special and according to MLB.com the Dodgers don’t have a catching prospect among their top 20. #Team Kemp!

  218. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    —————

    It started earlier Hans. The didn’t get along with Jeter story should be out when the M’s get here

  219. blake December 7th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    “Really? You’re doing a very poor job.”

    Randy is that you? Your twitter is very mature if so…..

  220. bardos December 7th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    MTU, I liked your winter snow pictures, thx.

  221. AAA December 7th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    just saying DRob has value

    ================

    You are correct, sir. Kinda forgot about him. Similar to Gardner, he is one year from free agency, which diminishes his value somewhat, be he’d have some.

  222. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    I did not appreciate your derisive reference to “dreadlocks” yesterday.

    —————————–

    What post was that in?

  223. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    anyone see that clip going around about the little kid crying on his bed because Ells signed with the NYY

  224. Cashmoney December 7th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Were fans angry at Andy when he went to Houston?

    I think I was.. but then I got over it.

  225. tucker December 7th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    I’ll still root for Robbie when the Yanks aren’t playing the Mariners. That is unless/until the Mariners are good and start challenging for a playoff spot. I’m a baseball fan first, and I appreciate the incredible skill that Robbie brings 160 out of 162 games every single year.

    That said, I’m not sure which contract is worse — Ellsbury’s or Cano’s. Neither contract will end well for their respective teams, IMO. Toward the end of his contract, Ellis’ has the potential to look like Ichiro does now. That is, if he stays healthy.

  226. blake December 7th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    I understand why Cano left….I don’t have to like it as a fan

  227. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    I was pissed when Roger Maris got traded

  228. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    They had better start developing something substantial from the farm system.

    Very few teams win through spare parts.

    The Marlins did it, but it’s rare.

    It’s tough to roster construct, over and over again, when, to paraphrase Nancy Sinatra “someone else (has gotten) all your best.”

  229. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    does anyone here remember Andy Carey

    Yes, but I got mad at him when he went to KC in 1959.

  230. Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    We’re Yankees fans. He left the Yankees for the Mariners. He traded in a 50 carat diamond for a knockoff. He had the opportunity to be the best 2B in Yankees history. He left for one lump sum over 10 years of 240m. He was done a disservice by his agent in the process.

  231. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    There were quite a few people upset when Andy went with Clemens to Houston.

    Clemens retired then unretired to sign with Houston, then AP signed with Houston.

    It was kind of a smelly affair if not pre-planned by those two it sure as hell looked like it.

  232. Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    I was angry when Pettitte left to follow his buddy Clemens. He had a chance to be a career Yankee. I always hoped he’d come back one day. Cano isn’t coming back.

  233. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Andy played 11 seasons with a total war of 9.9

  234. blake December 7th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    @BNightengale: The #Dbacks still want a corner OF after losing out on #Yankees Beltran and have sights on #Angels Mark Trumbo among others

    How about a Gardner for a SS?

  235. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    “I was pissed when Roger Maris got traded”

    Me too joeman that was one to accept.

  236. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    blake December 7th, 2013 at 11:23 am
    I understand why Cano left….I don’t have to like it as a fan

    ——————-

    I don’t like it either. I was so upset and still am. It’s going to be weird not having him on the team but we’ll all be here anyway rooting for the Yanks

  237. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Of course.

    Andy was turned into a villain.

    Even some fans who are normally quite reasonable, will select and amplify to create closure for themselves, even if it’s entirely unfair.

    That’s the nature of fandom, I guess – a certain kind, any way.

    “All lies in jest, still a fan hears, what he wants to hear and disregards the rest, la la la la…” :)

  238. AAA December 7th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    He had the opportunity to be the best 2B in Yankees history

    ==========================

    He’s the best 2B in Yankees history right now.

  239. pat December 7th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Maybe just my perception but I remember people being angry at the Yankees for letting Andy leave but don’t remember people being angry at Andy.

  240. blake December 7th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Clarification in column: #Yankees lost picks for Beltran, Ellsbury, McCann, gained ‘em for Cano, Granderson. Net loss of one pick thus far.

  241. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    so far we added how many players this off-season

  242. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    I thought it was Pettitte who signed with Houston first and it was Clemens who followed him?

  243. RadioKev December 7th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:17 am
    CountryClub says:
    December 7, 2013 at 10:56 am
    @McCulloughSL: The Post’s George King reports Robinson Cano did not like playing for Joe Girardi, in part because he occasionally batted 2nd.

    That’s a dumb reason. Doesn’t sound as convincing as getting offered only a little more than a Brett Gardner clone who can actually steal bases.
    ———–

    Yeah, I’m definitely not buying the batting 2nd thing. The Ellsbury contract as a benchmark is undoubtedly a real thing though, how could it not be?

  244. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 11:24 am
    They had better start developing something substantial from the farm system.

    ———————

    Cash is on the clock. They have to produce something and hopefully they do

  245. blake December 7th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    “He had the opportunity to be the best 2B in Yankees history”

    He already is by a mile

  246. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Cano will never get a MVP or get 30/100

  247. Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Yankees history is determined by longevity, achievements, but mainly championships. Not statistics. 0 MVPs, 1 World Series (which he had little to do with).

  248. RadioKev December 7th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I think Cano’s situation is a little bit better than A-Rod and the Rangers. There’s still some promise in Seattle, especially if they land David Price. But yeah, I really don’t like the signing… it was just a total panic move, on both sides.

  249. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    He’s the best 2B in Yankees history right now.

    Yup. You beat me to it. And you know what? He’s probably going to be the best 2nd baseman in Mariner’s history.

  250. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    GF

    Could be. But it looked to be pre-arranged by the two.

    If I recall Pettitte did not give the Yankees the benefit of shopping his Houston offer so they could make a counter as they has requested to the Hendricks Brothers before Andy signed with Houston.

    For what it’s worth Cashman maintains he first heard of AP’s Houston signing from a news broadcast.

  251. Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Technically, that is what happened, but the whole thing was pre-arranged by the two according to the media at the time. If Pettitte signed there, Clemens would come out of retirement.

  252. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Hans,

    I remember him with KC. My first baseball memory year was really 1960. Good time to become a Yankee fan. At least for the next five years.

    In my first game at the Stadium Maris hit one of his 61 homers.

  253. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Got a question for you joeman.

    Aren’t you the same guy who told us numerous times over the past year that you really hate when the Yanks sign Red Sox players?

    So why the sudden attitude change regarding Ellsbury? Is it simply because you hate Gardner so much that you are willing in this case to go against your core principles?

  254. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    don’t Sea have a good young 2nd baseman…..interesting

  255. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    I don’t like it either. I was so upset and still am.
    ///

    Odds,

    It rained all day here yesterday. Appropriate.

    I share your pain, friend.

    I watched him for nine years under a blue sky and the night lights at two Yankee Stadiums.

    I was so proud to call him a Yankee; he was so much better than anyone else and he was another up-the-middle star we had grown.

    I don’t have to gloss over how I feel and I’m not going to: it stinks. A lousy feeling.

  256. Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    The ultimate determinant of any great Yankee is titles.

  257. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I can’t imagine the Yankees don’t realize the importance of the farm system. The problem seems to be in execution. Why they don’t find the best people on other terms, overly them and have them come over, is what I don’t get. We are talking peanuts compared to other costs.

  258. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Lol, now Cano hated Girardi ….utterly ridiculous.

    Whatever makes people feel better I guess… it’s easier to hate Cano than it is to hate the Yankees.

  259. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 11:33 am
    Got a question for you joeman.

    Aren’t you the same guy who told us numerous times over the past year that you really hate when the Yanks sign Red Sox players?

    So why the sudden attitude change regarding Ellsbury? Is it simply because you hate Gardner so much that you are willing in this case to go against your core principles?
    ——————————————————————
    Ells is better than any other RS player that ever played here….and your right

  260. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Bardos-

    I am glad you enjoyed them.

    WYH requested them so I answered the call.

    Much appreciated.

    Snow here today.

  261. Doreen December 7th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    pat -

    That is my recollection as well, and it was my personal reaction. I tried to understand on whatever level, but I was not happy that the Yankees didn’t retain him, and were not aggressive in trying to do so until it was too late.

    In this case, with Cano, I am puzzled by both sides. Neither party should be vilified, but neither party gets off scot-free. At some point, on both sides, there was a willingness to part ways, a vision of the future without the other. I think it is possible that that vision for Robby became clear while he played on the DR team at the WBC. I think it enabled him to see he could be great without the Yankees. For the Yankees, it’s the money freed up that makes the loss somewhat palatable, though as a fan, I’m really disappointed – really disappointed, that these two parties could not find some common ground.

    But I think it’s ridiculous to go looking for reasons to turn on Cano just because things didn’t work out like we wanted them to. He did what most players will do, take the most money. I do not think the Yankees did not want him back; I think they offered him a very decent per year contract (though I really really thought they’d go 8/200).

    But they aren’t finished, and if they don’t shore up (sure up?) the rotation, next year will still be quite problematic even if some of the offensive production is there.

  262. blake December 7th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    joeman says:
    December 7, 2013 at 11:29 am
    Cano will never get a MVP or get 30/100

    How many times has Jeter done those things?

  263. RadioKev December 7th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    The most flying to do in baseball, a much longer flight to the Dominican, moving to a culturally very different city, playing on a team that may never put it all together…

  264. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    GF

    Could be. But it looked to be pre-arranged by the two.

    If I recall Pettitte did not give the Yankees the benefit of shopping his Houston offer so they could make a counter as they has requested to the Hendricks Brothers before Andy signed with Houston.

    For what it’s worth Cashman maintains he first heard of AP’s Houston signing from a news broadcast.

    —–

    From what I recall, I do remember the Yanks really never showed Pettitte the love he deserved, especially when he was the subject of numerous trade rumors over a span of several years.

    Also, and this is more speculation than anything else, but I seem to remember Pettitte had some very personal stuff going on his life at home which also played a big factor in that decision to sign with Houston and stay close to home.

  265. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 11:33 am
    Hans,

    I remember him with KC. My first baseball memory year was really 1960. Good time to become a Yankee fan. At least for the next five years.

    In my first game at the Stadium Maris hit one of his 61 homers.
    Mine was 1958. Bunning no hit Boston was the 1st big event I recall. I remember Casey playing Carey at 3B in Fenway. My dad used to tell me Carey liked hitting there. IDK. I was 7. Clearly remember the HR race of ’61. Moved from Providence to Baltimore by then.

  266. Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Jeter earned 3 MVPs. To be conservative, let’s say 2.

  267. mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Whatever makes people feel better I guess… it’s easier to hate Cano than it is to hate the Yankees.
    ==============
    Why would anybody hate the Yankees?

  268. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Sea has two young kids at 2nd base that are good players Franklin and Ackley

  269. tucker December 7th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    “Yeah, I’m definitely not buying the batting 2nd thing. The Ellsbury contract as a benchmark is undoubtedly a real thing though, how could it not be?”

    Yeah, the Ells contract was a loud message to Cano: Come back on our terms, or don’t come back at all.

  270. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    I will miss Cano as he is a great player. But, I have pulled for each and every Yankee for over 50 years because I pull for the team. Cano is no longer part of the team so I am indifferent to him now. Same for every departing player.

    So many of us wanted the Yankees to act like the Yankees again. They are. I don’t get the misery. The misery was sitting around with their thumbs tucked away for the last few years while the team decayed.

  271. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    How many times has Jeter done those things?

    It’s all cherry picking. Baseball History will recall him as the best 2ndbaseman for two teams.

  272. Doreen December 7th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    What surprised me on Cano the other night is that I really thought that he would still be available and look for a better team during the winter meetings (if there was no agreement with the Yankees), and when it was reported that talks were cut off with Seattle, that is what I expected.

  273. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 11:34 am
    I don’t like it either. I was so upset and still am.
    ///

    Odds,

    It rained all day here yesterday. Appropriate.

    I share your pain, friend.

    I watched him for nine years under a blue sky and the night lights at two Yankee Stadiums.

    I was so proud to call him a Yankee; he was so much better than anyone else and he was another up-the-middle star we had grown.

    I don’t have to gloss over how I feel and I’m not going to: it stinks. A lousy feeling.

    ————–

    Yea it stinks. I thought he would be here for the rest of his career like I said we’re so used to seeing him out there everyday and it’s going to be different. What’s worse is Jeter probably has what a yr or two left

  274. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    blake December 7th, 2013 at 11:36 am
    joeman says:
    December 7, 2013 at 11:29 am
    Cano will never get a MVP or get 30/100

    How many times has Jeter done those things?
    —————————————
    really don’t consider Jeter a hr hitter…

  275. RadioKev December 7th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    “Yeah, the Ells contract was a loud message to Cano: Come back on our terms, or don’t come back at all.”

    Which is perplexing. I don’t get it. And let it be said, I’ve argued to not bring Cano back, but to sign Ellsbury OVER Cano? Come on.

  276. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Gardner to Sea for Ackley

  277. RadioKev December 7th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    To not extend him, to not trade him, to not really even get a pick for him, we’ve lost Cano for nothing. Or for Ellsbury and Beltran and McCann… all guys that carry not-insignificant risk.

  278. mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    So many of us wanted the Yankees to act like the Yankees again. They are. I don’t get the misery.
    ============
    Mac-

    It’s simple. The are not team players. They worry more about their babies than the good of the team. Selfish.

  279. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Shame Spencer December 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am
    Lol, now Cano hated Girardi ….utterly ridiculous.

    Whatever makes people feel better I guess… it’s easier to hate Cano than it is to hate the Yankees.

    —————————

    It just depends on the person. Some ppl upset that he’s gone but there are those that hate him no doubt about that. The things fans have written or said not just on here but in general goes beyond him choosing another team…a lot of undertones to it.

  280. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Hans,

    My family moved to Florida when I was quite young so seeing games was rare. I saw a couple in 1961 and a couple in 1964. In 1961, I saw Ford pitch. In 1964 I saw Mantle hit a 500 foot homer and on the same day Stottlemyer pitch his first game.

    No wonder I have been hooked for so long.

  281. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I can’t imagine the Yankees don’t realize the importance of the farm system. The problem seems to be in execution. Why they don’t find the best people on other terms, overly them and have them come over, is what I don’t get. We are talking peanuts compared to other costs.

    —–

    Absolutely. Not being more aggressive and investing more resources in player development (including IFAs) just boggles the mind.

    But it happens on the field too. They always seem to trust vets a lot more and give them plenty of rope (even when it is undeserved) but don’t have that same kind of patience with some of the youngsters.

    They can’t improve if they don’t get opportunities.

  282. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    The whole WS ring thing as to a player’s worth flabbergasts me. ted Williams has none. Frank Crosetti likely has more then anyone. Who was better?

  283. mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Which is perplexing. I don’t get it. And let it be said, I’ve argued to not bring Cano back, but to sign Ellsbury OVER Cano? Come on.
    ==============
    Maybe they didn’t want him back.

  284. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    They worry more about their babies than the good of the team. Selfish.

    —————-

    What?? When the season starts we’re all going to be rooting for the team.

  285. mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Absolutely. Not being more aggressive and investing more resources in player development (including IFAs) just boggles the mind.
    ==========================
    This is Broadway not Podunk.
    Would you rather see the star or the understudy on B’way?

  286. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:45 am
    Absolutely. Not being more aggressive and investing more resources in player development (including IFAs) just boggles the mind.
    ==========================
    This is Broadway not Podunk.
    Would you rather see the star or the understudy on B’way?
    —————————–
    the star

  287. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Mick,

    I unabashedly have ripped ownership for not spending. Now, they are doing so I am not going to complain. Would I have spent differently? Maybe, but that doesn’t mean better.

    We have acquired Ells, Beltran, Kuroda and McCann for less than Cano and Hughes are owed. I’ll take that trade.

  288. mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    What?? When the season starts we’re all going to be rooting for the team.
    ===================
    Not those who dropped their season tickets.
    They can’t get over their loss and will remind you at the 1st chance.
    Crybabies…

  289. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    another hint

  290. mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Mac-
    Welcome aboard, we need you.

  291. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Joeman-

    of the 2 I prefer Ackley.

    More versatile.

    Can you believe he was the 2nd overall pick in 09 ?

    He is still young though.

    I would rather trade w the Snakes though.

    Or the cubbies.

    You have the option of leaving Johnson at 2nd and getting a solid 3b.

  292. tucker December 7th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    AustinMac, agreed. The Yankees are the Yankees again. With or without Cano, I’m more optimistic about this team right now than I’ve been in a couple of years. They realize how bad the lineup was last year and have moved forcefully to address those deficiencies. I’m particularly happy that their first major move was not signing a guy like Santana or Garza because, you know, pitching holds the keys …

    As the Neyer article above points out, guys like Stewie, Ichiro, Adams/Nix, etc. made this lineup below average.

  293. mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    In 1964 I saw Mantle hit a 500 foot homer and on the same day Stottlemyer pitch his first game.
    ==============
    I remember that game. I listened to it in the car.

  294. Captain Clutch December 7th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    I think the Yanks were put off by Cano’s demands. They knew that he wanted every last dollar and as Cashman said they were never close to getting a deal done. Cashman said that Cano is all about the money and there was obviously a reason why. I think going to JayZ was the worst thing possible for him to do.

  295. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    We fans would be more thrilled with a young prospect coming up and starring than any paid for player. The trouble is we haven’t had that option very often. If we wait for it, 70 wins a year for several years. Happy times there.

  296. Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    The whole WS ring to a Yankees player’s worth. Every other team is not the Yankees.

  297. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    They always seem to trust vets a lot more and give them plenty of rope (even when it is undeserved) but don’t have that same kind of patience with some of the youngsters.

    —————–

    Which I don’t get. When the vet struggles it’s “Hey we’re going to keep running him out there” but when it’s a spect it’s “Yankees losing patience with *fill in name”"

  298. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    It just depends on the person. Some ppl upset that he’s gone but there are those that hate him no doubt about that. The things fans have written or said not just on here but in general goes beyond him choosing another team…a lot of undertones to it.

    Lot easier to hate a dude when he’s a black man. All the talk about dreadlocks, a beard like Ortiz, his agent is a hip hop dude. He’s from the Dominican. All the talk about him being lazy. Most of it stems from that. I believe the Yankees would have dealt differently with him were he not a black man. And please, do not tell me Derek Jeter is a black man. Were it not for his dad attending Yankee games no on would know.

  299. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 11:48 am
    Joeman-

    of the 2 I prefer Ackley.

    More versatile.

    Can you believe he was the 2nd overall pick in 09 ?

    He is still young though.

    I would rather trade w the Snakes though.

    Or the cubbies.

    You have the option of leaving Johnson at 2nd and getting a solid 3b.
    ————————————————————————————–
    nice if they get something in place this coming week

  300. mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    I unabashedly have ripped ownership for not spending.
    ===========
    Mac-
    Wasn’t most of that based on perceived lack of future spending.
    They still spent about 225m last year.

  301. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:49 am
    In 1964 I saw Mantle hit a 500 foot homer and on the same day Stottlemyer pitch his first game.
    ==============
    I remember that game. I listened to it in the car.
    ————————————————————————–
    did down a few with him a couple of times….

  302. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Mantle of course

  303. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Mick,

    I remember the headline game story the next day was “Memo to Al:Yanks Ain’t Dead.” The things we remember. The article also said Mickey almost slammed his bat down when he hit the fly ball to center. The, it went into the center field stands.

  304. blake December 7th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Point was that you don’t have to be 30/100 to be great…..especially as a middle infielder

  305. mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    I think the Yanks were put off by Cano’s demands. They knew that he wanted every last dollar and as Cashman said they were never close to getting a deal done. Cashman said that Cano is all about the money and there was obviously a reason why. I think going to JayZ was the worst thing possible for him to do.
    =======================
    Does this sound racist to you Hans?

  306. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    “Maybe they didn’t want him back.”

    I thought about that too. I’m a Yankee fan first, I loved Robbie but didn’t want to see another long contract that didn’t look appear to be our favor on the backend.

    Considering last season and the production from CC, Tex, Arod and Jeter.

    An older Mariano injured shagging flies like he has his entire career losing him for a season, the addition year on Jorge’s contract where he struggled miserably almost that entire season.

    Cano’s association with Arod and Melky has frightened me, probably nothing there but I still remember what happened after Arod signed that long contract.

  307. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Absolutely. Not being more aggressive and investing more resources in player development (including IFAs) just boggles the mind.
    ==========================
    This is Broadway not Podunk.
    Would you rather see the star or the understudy on B’way?
    —–

    Chris Stewart is not exactly a Broadway star. Neither is Ichiro (not anymore, anyway), Vernon Wells, and plenty of others.

  308. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:47 am
    What?? When the season starts we’re all going to be rooting for the team.
    ===================
    Not those who dropped their season tickets.
    They can’t get over their loss and will remind you at the 1st chance.
    Crybabies…

    ————————————-

    They are still going to be rooting for guys like Jeter and Drob and Gardner

  309. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    did down a few with him a couple of times….

    Tell us about the game against West point.

  310. mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Chris Stewart is not exactly a Broadway star. Neither is Ichiro (not anymore, anyway), Vernon Wells, and plenty of others.
    =======================
    Stewart was there by default.
    Ichiro was brought here as a drawing card with maybe a little left.
    Wells is free this year.

  311. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Joeman-

    I expect they will.

    Do something that is.

    More coming.

    :)

  312. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    blake December 7th, 2013 at 11:52 am
    Point was that you don’t have to be 30/100 to be great…..especially as a middle infielder
    ———————————–
    not saying he isn’t great but he’s a HR hitter that is expected to drive in runs and never had a 30/100 season on some very good NYY hitting teams

  313. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Hans whoever he/she is likes to play the race card. Often in a clever subtle way. Referring to Pedroia yesterday as “white boy”.

    This entire race issue is absolute garbage.

  314. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Yes You McCann December 7th, 2013 at 11:49 am
    The whole WS ring to a Yankees player’s worth. Every other team is not the Yankees.

    I’m sorry, I misjudged you. You haven’t even turned 12 yet have you?

  315. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Mick,

    My complaint was they didn’t try for Chapman, Cespedes, Soler, Puig, Darvish and the like. Spending $12M on Youkilis and a two year contract for Ichiro is spending, but the type that leads nowhere.

    Other than the lost draft picks, spending like they have this year does not hurt development. They could still spend the extra $50K and hire the best scout or the best minor league coach or whatever would help. They are completely separate issues. These guys are blocking no one.

  316. mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Cano’s association with Arod and Melky has frightened me, probably nothing there but I still remember what happened after Arod signed that long contract.
    =========================================
    @EduardoNunez15

    Congratulations to @RobinsonCano and his family on the new deal. You deserve it bro!
    ================
    Nuney next?

  317. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:55 am
    did down a few with him a couple of times….

    Tell us about the game against West point.
    ———————————————————
    he had a lot of stories

  318. Captain Clutch December 7th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    @BobKlap

    #Yankees knew Cano was a goner this week when they were told demand for $235 million was “take it or leave it” http://bit.ly/1dX2o4k

  319. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Joe,

    That would have been very cool having a beer with Mickey. I was very sad when he died. A part of my childhood died with him.

  320. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Hans whoever he/she is likes to play the race card. Often in a clever subtle way. Referring to Pedroia yesterday as “white boy”.

    This entire race issue is absolute garbage.

    Nothing subtle about it man. I mean it. Sorry if you didn’t get it right away. You’re just not very quick.

  321. pat December 7th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    “Maybe they didn’t want him back.”

    They say they did. What else have they been lying to us about?

  322. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    How any Yankee fan will not pull for every Yankee in every situation is beyond me.

  323. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    They say they did. What else have they been lying to us about?
    ====================
    You believe everything you read?

  324. njsketch December 7th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    i’ll be honest – my dad and i are partial season ticket holders. there were many games last year that we looked at each other and said, “not taking the drive into nyc to see the yankees.” i liked cano as a ballplayer, but he didn’t have the star power of jeter or arod.

    am i excited this year – yes. i can’t wait to see ellsbury, mccann, beltran – i think they can be very good offensive additions, plus with the health of jeter and tex we could see 180-200 HR’s again.

    my only concern is the rotation. i’d like to see a quality starter signed or traded for and then a reliable bullpen arm to back up robertson if need be…then i’ll be content.

  325. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    I’ve seen this pattern before whoever disagrees with you somehow isn’t up to the task to understand your point.

    Really not that difficult to understand.

  326. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 11:59 am
    Joe,

    That would have been very cool having a beer with Mickey. I was very sad when he died. A part of my childhood died with him.
    ———————————————–
    this was after he retired he was running all around the country making money by showing up for golfing events, he was a very good friend of a friend of mine ….BTW the mick drank Vodka

  327. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Chris Stewart is not exactly a Broadway star. Neither is Ichiro (not anymore, anyway), Vernon Wells, and plenty of others.
    =======================
    Stewart was there by default.
    Ichiro was brought here as a drawing card with maybe a little left.
    Wells is free this year.

    I thought the point of all this is to win ballgames – not to keep sending someone out there who isn’t doing the job because he’s free or is capable of selling tickets?

    Broadway shows are entertainment but the ultimate goal is to win ballgames – not just put on a show.

    People aren’t going to pay to watch a bad team.

  328. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    BTW the mick drank Vodka
    ==================
    No I don’t..

  329. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    BTW the mick drank Vodka
    ==================
    No I don’t..
    ————————–
    knew that was coming

  330. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    So Cano’s $235M demand was take it or leave it. Yet, we bemoan not paying him that?

    The race card is inappropriate. We have disliked many white players and criticized them relentlessly. Remember Pavano? The vast majority of people are color blind, at least when it comes to sports.

    Con does not always hustle. He is among the worst at that you will see. Yet, if that is noted, it is racist? Don’t agree.

  331. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    People aren’t going to pay to watch a bad team.
    ===========
    Then we agree for a change.
    Is this going to be a bad team?

  332. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Con does not always hustle. He is among the worst at that you will see. Yet, if that is noted, it is racist?
    ================
    Yet that is condoned as a form of self preservation.
    Amazing…

  333. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    knew that was coming
    ==============
    what don’t you know?
    you are psychic err..psycho ;)

  334. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 11:50 am
    It just depends on the person. Some ppl upset that he’s gone but there are those that hate him no doubt about that. The things fans have written or said not just on here but in general goes beyond him choosing another team…a lot of undertones to it.

    Lot easier to hate a dude when he’s a black man. All the talk about dreadlocks, a beard like Ortiz, his agent is a hip hop dude. He’s from the Dominican. All the talk about him being lazy. Most of it stems from that. I believe the Yankees would have dealt differently with him were he not a black man. And please, do not tell me Derek Jeter is a black man. Were it not for his dad attending Yankee games no on would know.

    ———————–

    I agree with the first part but not sure if the Yankees would have dealt with him differently if he wasn’t from the Dominican. If he was Robert Patrick…a white male from California making the same demands they probably take the same stance.

  335. RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    austinmac

    The beauty of coming here, and of following the Yankees are that they are color blind.

    The best man always wins the job. Look at our fanbase at Yankee games it reflects who we are.

    I’m frankly tired of this crap being peddled by a certain few.

  336. pat December 7th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    “You believe everything you read?”

    Depends on who is writing it.

  337. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Jeter, AROD and so many stars run hard. They physically survived the gruelly rigors of running 90 feet.

  338. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    People aren’t going to pay to watch a bad team.
    ===========
    Then we agree for a change.
    Is this going to be a bad team?

    —–

    Right now, they certainly aren’t a playoff contender.

    We’ll have a better idea in Feb when they’ve likely made all the moves they’re going to make (to begin the season, anyway).

  339. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    pat December 7th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Maybe just my perception but I remember people being angry at the Yankees for letting Andy leave but don’t remember people being angry at Andy.
    ///

    There was probably a mixed response, and within that mix there was the “jilted lover” one that is endemic to fan territory when these things happen.

    Often, the sort of reasonable fan tries to reason through the loss, and then, finally, because the player’s gone and the team is still his team, begins to construct a case against the player, consciously or otherwise, so that the fan can detach.

    There’s also the fan that says “goodbye and good luck.”

  340. Triple Short of a Cycle December 7th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    All the talk about him being lazy. Most of it stems from that. I believe the Yankees would have dealt differently with him were he not a black man. And please, do not tell me Derek Jeter is a black man. Were it not for his dad attending Yankee games no on would know.

    ————————————–

    Bernie Williams and Rivera say hi

  341. NYY fan in NH December 7th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Ortiz really?? Cano was the face of the Yankees?? Just another Dominican supporting another, but shut it on that talk.

  342. Triple Short of a Cycle December 7th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    I never blamed Andy. He didn’t want to leave and the Yanks didn’t want to bring him back. Cano had no problem leaving. Dude is all about the money

  343. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    not saying he isn’t great but he’s a HR hitter that is expected to drive in runs and never had a 30/100 season on some very good NYY hitting teams

    Tex is a Hr hitter….cano is just a great overall hitter

  344. pat December 7th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    ctrent 5m
    Walt says Yankees leaked info that they called him about BP as a negotiating tactic with Cano #RedsFest

  345. Triple Short of a Cycle December 7th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    It would really be nice for a Yankee to publicly remind Ortiz that he doesn’t play for the Yankees and he should shut is steroid filled mouth

  346. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Right now, they certainly aren’t a playoff contender.
    ==================
    Disagree. Plus, you know they aren’t finished.
    Why is it with you that you are so negative?
    It’s like you are without hope or faith.
    Like the Yanks have been so great for so long and if not perfect you will trash them.
    Not good if you are to be a parent some day. ;)

  347. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 7th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Yankees have asked Jeff Baker to give them 72 hours.

  348. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    A good song for some here:

    “Back Off Boogaloo”

    Go!

    Back off boogaloo,
    I said, back off boogaloo,
    I said, back off boogaloo, boo.

    Back of boogaloo,
    What d’yer think i’m gonna do?
    I got a flash right from the start.

    Wake up, meat head,
    Don’t pretend that you are dead,
    Get yourself up off the cart.

    Get yourself together now
    And give me something tasty.
    Ev’rything you try to do,
    You know it sure sounds wasted.

    Back off boogaloo,
    I said, back off boogaloo.

  349. Triple Short of a Cycle December 7th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    How will we ever survive without Cano’s 222 career playoff average

  350. GMAN December 7th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Joe Man… Spend much time in Bellville?

  351. tucker December 7th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Doubt the DBacks would take Gardner. They already have three outfielders similar to his skill set — Adam Eaton, Gerardo Parra and AJ Pollock.

    Would love to get Ackley. He has not lived up to expectations so far. But would the Mariners trade his potential for one year of Gardner?

  352. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Look. Cano’s allegiance to JZ was greater than it was to the Yankees.
    He got in his ear…

  353. LGY December 7th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Good for Cano to show no loyalty to this soulless organization.

  354. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    When was the last time your company showed their soul?

    Maybe their sole as they kicked you out the door…

  355. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    I say good bye and good luck to Cano but won’t watch the daily box scores of the Mariners. Once they are gone from the team, they are no longer one of my guys.

    Great player. Big loss. Now, win without him. At least they are trying. That is the best news of the winter. Someone told Hal income is important too.

    Frankly, I don’t many fans come to many games to see an individual player. Jeter has his fawning fans. AROD has his power that captured folks imagination, but losing teams with Jeter on them will not have good attendance. Winning is fun and exciting. That is what brings in the people.

    The Yankees, while their work is not done, have given me hope. The first in awhile.

  356. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Con does not always hustle. He is among the worst at that you will see. Yet, if that is noted, it is racist?

    —————-

    The thing is though is Cano is labeled as lazy or not caring whether it’s true or not. I brought this up on another board that David Wright has been sited as a player that doesn’t run hard all the time and journalists.hosts have pointed it out. Now Cano is the better player has more accolades and is destined for the HOF but he carries the label of being lazy and not caring yet that same stain has never been attached to Wright. They’re both the same age, played in the same city and until recently Wright made more money than Cano. What’s the difference between the players??

  357. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Soulless organization. Really? As compared to the soulful Sox or the soulful Mariners?

    Does soul require overpaying? Help me out here.

  358. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: in case anyone wonders, yanks have no interest in uggla (who’s getting married today — congrats). infante a top target tho

  359. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    The Yankees, while their work is not done, have given me hope. The first in awhile.
    ==================
    Glad to have you back, Mac.

  360. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: beltran agent told nyy he had 2 $48M/3 bids. cashman went from 2 yrs to $45M/3, said answer quick or we go elsewhere (choo)

  361. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    What’s worse is Jeter probably has what a yr or two left
    ///

    I had wanted to see a nice, seamless relay hand-off from our great core to our younger players, but we have not a single young position player currently on this team.

    I don’t know if there is a stronger indictment of this FO. We’ll see how they spend the money they now have, but they can’t buy a core homegrown talent that has years of control and a prime in front of him; they do not have that and are at least a couple of years from it.

  362. GMAN December 7th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Joe Man – Belleville?

  363. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Great player. Big loss. Now, win without him. At least they are trying. That is the best news of the winter. Someone told Hal income is important too.

    ———————-

    That’s the best thing to happen which is being aggressive this yr.

  364. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    @DPLennon: A baseball official brought up how 3 years w/ #Yankees, in that park, could greatly enhance Beltran’s HOF chance. Interesting point.

  365. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Uggla is terrible…..he literally can’t do anything

  366. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    What’s worse is Jeter probably has what a yr or two left
    ///

    I had wanted to see a nice, seamless relay hand-off from our great core to our younger players, but we have not a single young position player currently on this team.

    ======================

    Yes the torch won’t be passed as I stated earlier once Jeter leaves the connection is not what it was. It’s going to be different.

  367. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    One difference is one guy took a team oriented and friendly contract and one went for every penny without regard to team or winning. Does that not tell you anything about the person?
    .

  368. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    I never expected that they would, but glad to hear Yanks have no interest in Uggla.

  369. Doreen December 7th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    austinmac,

    Yeah, ultimately the performance of the team on the field is what will drive most of the attendance, but some players will put it over the top.

    pat -

    That’s what teams do, isn’t it? It’s not problematic to me that the Yankees leaked interest in Phillips to try to gain some traction with Cano, or to try to get Cano to move more quickly, or take them more seriously about being willing to move on.

    i just hate FA altogether from the standpoint of someone who doesn’t like messy situations and more often than not, they’re pretty messy. ;)

  370. pat December 7th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    m_sheldon
    Jocketty expects Yankees-BP rumors to start again b/c they lost Cano. Castellini intervenes “I don’t care about the Yankees. Let’s move on.”

  371. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Yanks are bringing in what they think are character guys from McCann to Ellsbury to Beltran.
    Guys that want to play here.
    Hearing that Ellsbury didn’t approve of the redsux way is music to my ears…

  372. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Joeman-

    Thanks for the hints.

    I figured it out.

    Can I get an autograph ?

    By the way, I forgot to ask how that knee is doing ?

    Is it all healed ?

    :)

  373. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN: Notre Dame accepts invite to play in Pinstripe Bowl at Yankee Stadium. Should be great for ticket sales.

  374. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    GMAN December 7th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    Joe Man – Belleville?
    —————————————
    no in those days Majorska was king

  375. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Joeman-

    By the way, the Internet didn’t show a place for you in CT.

    That threw me off the trail a bit.

    But I’m a good detective.

    :)

  376. blake December 7th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Beltran is already a HOFer

  377. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Yes the torch won’t be passed
    ====================
    where do they hide this torch?
    somewhere in the bowels of YS?
    the only torch i’m interested in are Yankee WS flags and just one man won’t be responsible for that.

  378. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Right now, they certainly aren’t a playoff contender.
    ==================
    Disagree. Plus, you know they aren’t finished.
    Why is it with you that you are so negative?
    It’s like you are without hope or faith.
    Like the Yanks have been so great for so long and if not perfect you will trash them.
    Not good if you are to be a parent some day. ;)

    —–

    Um, I already said we’ll see how the team looks in Feb, but right now, they are worse than they were in Sept so I don’t see how they are a playoff contender as of this writing.

    Take a gander at the LoHud archives from 2007 to 2012 and you will see that nobody was more optimistic about this team day in and day out than me.

    What happened is that I got fed up with Cashman and the decisions he’s made. I almost always gave him and Hal and Co. the benefit of the doubt but sooner or later someone has to be held accountable for such bad decisions and broken promises (like the farm).

    There have been far too many decisions that have predictably failed to feel confident in Cashman’s ability to turn things around.

    Does that satisfy you?

  379. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Joe Man – Belleville?
    ==============
    more like bellview ;)

  380. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    And I understand about not leaving the kids now.

    My apologies.

    :(

  381. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    Joeman-

    Thanks for the hints.

    I figured it out.

    Can I get an autograph ?

    By the way, I forgot to ask how that knee is doing ?

    Is it all healed ?
    ——————————————
    knee is doing well thought the cold weather would bother it but so far it don’t…just thinking the other day the pain that was there would never go away….
    how are you doing ?

  382. yankinvegas December 7th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Infante and Jeff Baker would be good signs.
    I want the Yanks to sign Gardner long term right now and Robertson.
    Balfour would be an excellent addition and bring back Logan.
    It’s obvious that Cano didn’t want to come back here so who gives a **** about him.
    Michael Pineda = Comeback Player of the Year

  383. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue December 7th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    austinmac

    The beauty of coming here, and of following the Yankees are that they are color blind.

    The best man always wins the job. Look at our fanbase at Yankee games it reflects who we are.

    I’m frankly tired of this crap being peddled by a certain few.

    —————————-

    Just because it may be color blind doesn’t mean those things being mentioned by few doesn’t exist. If it did ppl wouldn’t say well remember Jay-z is his agent and Cano is a thug or he should go make a rap album. That’s not just on here but again in general.

  384. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    What happened is that I got fed up with Cashman and the decisions he’s made. I almost always gave him and Hal and Co. the benefit of the doubt but sooner or later someone has to be held accountable for such bad decisions and broken promises (like the farm).
    ========================
    And maybe they got fed up with their acquisitions of Pavano, Igawa, Irabu should I name more and got gunshy like you did with them?

    Does that satisfy you?

  385. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    I’m done with this Gardner thing I have to be a better person I’m not a happy person when I think about him leaving here..if it happen it happens otherwise I’m done

  386. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Looks like Hans Backed Off Boogooloo…..

  387. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
    Yes the torch won’t be passed
    ====================
    where do they hide this torch?
    somewhere in the bowels of YS?
    the only torch i’m interested in are Yankee WS flags and just one man won’t be responsible for that.

    ————————-

    But he would have played a valuable role in winning a WS. I was looking at Cano, Ells, and McCann moving forward into the future

  388. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    Joeman-

    By the way, the Internet didn’t show a place for you in CT.

    That threw me off the trail a bit.

    But I’m a good detective.
    ———————————————–
    my dad was a good detective he was one tough cop

  389. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Joeman-

    This has been the yr. from hell.

    One sh*tstorm after the next.

    Slowly but surely the clouds have been parting.

    My wife is in CA. right now fighting one of the last major issues w her Sister, and our pup is improving
    steadily.

    I wish I could have just erased this yr.

    Hoping that 2014 will be better.

    Thank you for asking.

    I have always liked your work by the way.

    :)

  390. pat December 7th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Beltran is already a HOFer

    His Galea association doesn’t hurt him with writers?

    Speaking of which, Yanks may not be as anxious for MLB to get access to Galea grand jury testimony with Beltran on board now.

  391. LGY December 7th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    mick says:
    December 7, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    When was the last time your company showed their soul?

    Maybe their sole as they kicked you out the door…

    ——

    Don’t project your personal issues on me.

    Cano made the decision every athlete in his position should make. Happy for him.

  392. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Um, I already said we’ll see how the team looks in Feb, but right now, they are worse than they were in Sept so I don’t see how they are a playoff contender as of this writing.
    ========================
    Ellsbury
    Jeter
    Beltran
    McCann
    Soriano
    Tex
    Gardner

    Not good enough?

  393. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Don’t project your personal issues on me.
    ================
    Wrong.

  394. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    Joeman-

    This has been the yr. from hell.

    One sh*tstorm after the next.

    Slowly but surely the clouds have been parting.

    My wife is in CA. right now fighting one of the last major issues w her Sister, and our pup is improving
    steadily.

    I wish I could have just erased this yr.

    Hoping that 2014 will be better.
    Thank you for asking.

    I have always liked your work by the way.
    ————————————-
    keep the chin up and if you don’t mind me saying have faith

  395. LGY December 7th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Maybe Cano has things much more important than winning baseball games he plans to do with an extra $65M.

    Judging a person’s character based on where they want to play a game seems really shallow.

  396. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    One difference is one guy took a team oriented and friendly contract and one went for every penny without regard to team or winning. Does that not tell you anything about the perso

    ———————————

    Even before the contract was signed Wright was never labeled lazy. His character wasn’t questioned before or after the team friendly deal.

    Cano approached the Yankees yrs ago regarding an extension and they told him play out your two yrs on the contract.

  397. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    I was looking at Cano, Ells, and McCann moving forward into the future
    =================
    Do you think he would have taken 8/200 from the Yanks?

  398. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    What happened is that I got fed up with Cashman and the decisions he’s made. I almost always gave him and Hal and Co. the benefit of the doubt but sooner or later someone has to be held accountable for such bad decisions and broken promises (like the farm).
    ========================
    And maybe they got fed up with their acquisitions of Pavano, Igawa, Irabu should I name more and got gunshy like you did with them?

    —-

    What the hell are you talking about?

    Do a better job of developing your own players (like Cashman promised when he took the reigns of the farm in 2005 – 8 freaking years ago!) and you won’t be forced to dip into the FA market and take such risky gambles nearly as much.

    Besides, IFA is far different now than it was when they signed Irabu. They aren’t going to strike gold on all of them but that’s where they need to be more aggressive when you suck at developing your own.

  399. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Not good enough?

    ——————-

    That looks pretty good but I wanted Kemp though

  400. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    I was looking at Cano, Ells, and McCann moving forward into the future
    =================
    Do you think he would have taken 8/200 from the Yanks?

    ——————

    Hard to tell they never offered it

  401. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    vrsce December 7th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Prufrock

    Your sermonizing is mostly sanctimonious snivelling

    The fact that you trolled through an entire day of posts to count only “4 ” responses to Mandela’s passing speaks volumes about your petty self righteous nature. What a puling miserable creature you are.
    ///

    Mr. vrsce,

    If you would just release the bile in your throat for a minute, it might help you read more accurately.

    I was responding to someone else’s post that stated that poster had noted only four such posts; I did not count those posts myself.

    I’ll help you out. All you need to do is actually read this, and you’ll see there is someone else’s comment I posted, and then I responded to that comment. My response is in bold, just so you don’t get confused again.

    It would seem you owe me an apology:

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    four mentions that i could find of nelson mandela’s passing on the blog the past three days.

    no mention from chad that i could find…
    //

    Hey, consider me a fifth: I didn’t mention it but I felt it and discussed it with my real friends.

    A smart commenter here once commented that this place isn’t necessarily composed of people you’d spend time with in real life, and I think that’s quite right.

    I had a problem with a great deal of the derisive references, like “Big Lips” (JayZ) and “dreadlocks” in here yesterday that were both a tasteless attempt at humor: I think the lack of response to those by the “larger” community, is probably a good reason why those people are still posting here and why there were only four acknowledgements of Mandela’s passing.

    On another note, today is the day that will live in infamy, speaking of historic matters, but as a Yankee fan, personally speaking, yesterday was such a day.

  402. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    I brought this up on another board that David Wright has been sited as a player that doesn’t run hard all the time and journalists.hosts have pointed it out.
    ======================================
    Even before the contract was signed Wright was never labeled lazy.

    —————————————
    Which one is it?

  403. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Do a better job of developing your own players (like Cashman promised when he took the reigns of the farm in 2005 – 8 freaking years ago!

    ———————-

    GF remember this quote

    “We want to be the Rays with money” – Hal

    Are they even The Yankees with money lol

  404. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    they haven’t given up any of the kids in the minors yet maybe a handful will take the next step this year and show they belong in the majors a some point in the near future…there are spots they could fill

  405. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Um, I already said we’ll see how the team looks in Feb, but right now, they are worse than they were in Sept so I don’t see how they are a playoff contender as of this writing.
    ========================
    Ellsbury
    Jeter
    Beltran
    McCann
    Soriano
    Tex
    Gardner

    Not good enough?

    —-

    Have you looked at their rotation and bullpen yet? Two holes to fill in the rotation and they lost the greatest closer of all time.

    And, by the way, Jeter spent most of the year on the DL and so did Teixeira so both are sizable question marks.

  406. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Joeman-

    Absolutely not.

    I am a person of Faith. It sustains me.

    Thank you for the well wishes.

    I hope you knee keeps improving.

    :)

  407. pat December 7th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    @DavidWaldstein
    Yankees teetering close to $189 M, depending on what happens with A-Rod suspension. Person who knows Hal says he has given OK to go over.

  408. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Hard to tell they never offered it
    =============
    There was no need to.
    He wasn’t taking it.
    He flew to Sea for 240m reasons..

  409. tucker December 7th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Why fault Cano for taking $240 million? I sure wouldn’t leave $60 million on the table if I were in his shoes. Think how much good $60 million could bring to the impoverished DR. Not saying Cano will donate that money, but he does a lot of charity work in his home country.

    And as far as diminishing his brand, I don’t see a big difference there, either. Junior Griffey did just fine with endorsements and exposure when he was in Seattle.

  410. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Person who knows Hal says he has given OK to go over.
    =============
    At this point that’s a foregone conclusion, isn’t it?

  411. yankinvegas December 7th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    I’m totally sick of David Ortiz. That steroid cheat should shut up about Yankees personnel moves and start to worry that we now have a tough, old-school catcher who won’t put up with the bat flipping antics of this buffoon.
    You’re going down “Big Papi”-no soup for you!!!

  412. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Which one is it?

    —————-

    There is a difference mick. Yes ppl pointed out that Wright didn’t run hard all the time but fans/media didn’t say he doesn’t care or he’s not interested or that he’s lazy.

  413. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Do a better job of developing your own players (like Cashman promised when he took the reigns of the farm in 2005 – 8 freaking years ago!

    ———————-

    GF remember this quote

    “We want to be the Rays with money” – Hal

    Are they even The Yankees with money lol

    ——

    If the Yanks were the Rays with money they’d be nearly unstoppable.

  414. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Have you looked at their rotation and bullpen yet? Two holes to fill in the rotation and they lost the greatest closer of all time.
    ===================
    Always looking at the negative.

    What’s wrong with the rotation?
    Do you know they got Kuroda back?
    Phelps/Pineda /Warren not a good enough #5?
    They will certainly get either Tanaka or someone else at #4.

    Ye of little faith…

  415. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    I can’t wait until we start talking about the 2016 team lol.

  416. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Pete Rose is still all over Las Vegas doing his thing.. Now, in the 24th year of his lifetime ban for betting on baseball, Rose is chasing another title: America’s autograph king.

  417. GMAN December 7th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    How good was Joe Pepitone?

  418. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    If the Yanks were the Rays with money they’d be nearly unstoppable.

    ———————

    You’re right about that..here is another gem

    “We have the most money, no secret about that. If we combine that with the best decision-making process on a consistent basis, God help the rest of baseball,” – Cashman

    God help the rest of baseball?? Eight yrs and counting I don’t think baseball is hiding in a corner somewhere

  419. luis December 7th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    Just a quick pass by, since I don’t have much time..

    Mac,

    If you want to rebuild for the long term health of the organization… Signing all this guys hurt that objective… Not only that you miss the picks, but also you guarantee that they won’t be able to be in a good drafting position as well as limited resources for IFA’s ( remember the CBA )… But also they won’t be investing where they should… Scouting and player development

    But you are right… This is vintage Steinbrenners Yankees… That’s why they don’t have 2 or 3 more titles on their shelves…. With their resources they should be winning 1 out of every 4 seasons… But I understand that from the fan POV this is more fun… Instant gratification, new toys every season, lots of rumors to talk about… But in the end, this will hurt more than help…

  420. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    GMAN December 7th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    How good was Joe Pepitone?
    ——————————————–
    at partying he was one of the best….almost as good as Derek Sanderson

  421. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Only autograph I want from Rose is on a check

  422. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    LGY December 7th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Maybe Cano has things much more important than winning baseball games he plans to do with an extra $65M.

    Judging a person’s character based on where they want to play a game seems really shallow.

    —————-

    Cano grew up dirt poor and his family very likely will never see this type of money again. This is generational money that will save Cano’s great grandchildren and beyond.

    Compare that to the Yankees brass and keep in mind they’ve been making money and will continue making money well past the 10 years Cano is on the books for…

    It’s ridiculous to call Cano greedy and everyone doing so is shortsighted.

  423. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    It snowing here now but I am warm and dry.

    Just polished off the most delicious brunch.

    Cajun style shrimp and sausage w pasta and eggplant.

    Man that good.

    Did I mention I hate the cold.

    :)

  424. tomingeorgia December 7th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    GMAN December 7th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    How good was Joe Pepitone?
    ——————————————–
    at partying he was one of the best….almost as good as Derek Sanderson
    ——
    Didn’t those two join in Joe Namath’s bar venture?

    By the way, hello, everybody! Exciting stuff, with more to come.

  425. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    njsketch December 7th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    i’ll be honest – my dad and i are partial season ticket holders. there were many games last year that we looked at each other and said, “not taking the drive into nyc to see the yankees.” i liked cano as a ballplayer, but he didn’t have the star power of jeter or arod.
    ///

    But for every fan like you, there’s one like me, who does not yawn at watching a great hitter with effortless power use the whole field, including driving the ball over the CF fence into Monument Park (not just RF), and who relishes watching a silky 2B glide to the ball and make these flip throws while the ball just jumps out of his hand like it was shot from a canon.

    Cano is one of the only reasons I went to the Stadium a handful of times last season. As a season-ticket holder for seven of his nine years in pinstripes, I can vouch that Cano’s ABs were wildly applauded (especially once it sunk in who he was going to be) and that his sparkling fielding was met with whistles, “ooh”s and “ahhh”s.

    Cano may not have Jeter/ARod “star” power, but he is elite and is the kind of player who can take your breath away, and you know that as a fan at the ballpark, and hope to see one of his defensive gems and look forward to all of his ABs.

  426. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    It was 14 here last night MTU with 25 mph winds…sounds like something I made the other night for dinner.

  427. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    I’m sure it wasn’t planned this way, but the yanks have staggered contracts in a way that some real money will be freed up just about every year:

    2014 18 mil from Jeter/Ichiro
    2015 nobody of consequence I don’t think
    2016 38 mil from Teix/Beltran
    2017 45 mil from Arod/CC (assuming CC’s vesting option kicked in for 17)
    2018. 17 mil from McCann

    The above numbers are rough estimates, but you get the idea. I think trout and Harper are due to be FAs after 2017.

  428. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Rose belongs in the hall. Arguably, ganbling is an addiction. One can drink to extreme, cheat on their partner, and get in. ……just saying.

  429. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Have you looked at their rotation and bullpen yet? Two holes to fill in the rotation and they lost the greatest closer of all time.
    ===================
    Always looking at the negative.

    What’s wrong with the rotation?
    Do you know they got Kuroda back?
    Phelps/Pineda /Warren not a good enough #5?
    They will certainly get either Tanaka or someone else at #4.

    Ye of little faith…

    —–

    Two holes in the rotation, which acknowledges that Kuroda has returned (a move I wanted, btw).

    I like Phelps but he was also hurt for months last season. Did you seriously include Pineda? A guy who they traded for two years ago but still hasn’t thrown a pitch for them yet?

    I’ll start counting on Pineda when he gets on a mound and actually pitches.

    Warren is serviceable. Tanaka may or may not even be posted (if he is, I hope they get him) but none of the other FA options impress me.

  430. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Compare that to the Yankees brass and keep in mind they’ve been making money and will continue making money well past the 10 years Cano is on the books for…

    —————————
    Some fans:

    Cano – greedy

    Yankees FO – Blue collar workers

    lol it’s insane.

    I’d like either of their problems whether it’s millionaire Cano or billionaire Yankees

  431. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    But you are right… This is vintage Steinbrenners Yankees.

    ——————-

    I don’t see how losing your best player over money is vintage Steinbrenner, though I’ve seen many categorize this off season as such. The Yankees got outbid by $90 million lol… by a team that ranks 14th in team revenue (obviously I don’t need to remind everyone where the Yankees rank). That’s embarrassing when spending money is the only thing you’ve proven to be able to do well (and even this fact is debatable!!!).

  432. mick December 7th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Two holes in the rotation, which acknowledges that Kuroda has returned (a move I wanted, btw).
    ============
    So the #5 is a hole?
    You want perfection at every position?
    What about developing the youth?

  433. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    , but you get the idea. I think trout and Harper are due to be FAs after 2017.
    ——————

    They’ll be manning the outfield let’s go baby :D

  434. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Howler-

    Snow is nice to ski in or to look at from a distance is my view.

    You should be on a steady diet of Salmon.

    It’s got omega 3′s you know ?

    Good for your health.

    Especially if you wash it down w a nice brew.

    :)

  435. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Perhaps the Hall that leads to the bathroom…

  436. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Tanaka may or may not even be posted (if he is, I hope they get him) but none of the other FA options impress me.

    ——————–

    From the last updates I saw last night, they’re leaning towards not posting him (which makes a ton of business sense since they can just post him next year when he only has one year of service left to them).

    I’d target guys like Colon or Arroyo on short term deals. Neither are ideal, and I prefer Colon, but I think that might be the direction they go in. I don’t see how trading for Anderson helps much unless you give up nothing.

  437. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Alfred, I sure do wish Rogers had brought Cano here. I would have had a great time taking chicken_stanley to a game when he comes up here. We’ll still go, and I do like Goins’ glove at second, so we’ll have a good time, anyways. I’m hell bent on not finishing last again.

  438. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    tomingeorgia December 7th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    GMAN December 7th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    How good was Joe Pepitone?
    ——————————————–
    at partying he was one of the best….almost as good as Derek Sanderson
    ——
    Didn’t those two join in Joe Namath’s bar venture?

    By the way, hello, everybody! Exciting stuff, with more to come.
    ————————————–
    Bachelors III”I believe in Boston and NY

  439. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    I’d like either of their problems whether it’s millionaire Cano or billionaire Yankees

    —————-

    I agree.

  440. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    There is more help coming.

    Hold the fort.

    ;)

  441. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Give me the crab instead…although I’m right near where the boats come in I can pick up Salmon for a song…and I sing like Lillibridge hits.

  442. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Cavalry on the way.

    ;)

  443. luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Shame,

    I didn’t have Cano on my mind when I wrote that…. For me this is vintage Stein’s Yankees because they are the mirror image of how the team used to look in the 80′s…. A bunch of FA’s with very little local flavor… The Yankees of the late 90′s were Michaels’s not Steins’s

    But now that you raise that issue… I must correct my previous assertion… This is “Mediocre Steinbrenners Yankees” ;)

  444. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    How good was Joe Pepitone?
    Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    If the Yanks were the Rays with money they’d be nearly unstoppable.

    ———————

    You’re right about that..here is another gem

    “We have the most money, no secret about that. If we combine that with the best decision-making process on a consistent basis, God help the rest of baseball,” – Cashman

    God help the rest of baseball?? Eight yrs and counting I don’t think baseball is hiding in a corner somewhere

    —-

    Indeed. I was thrilled to hear that kind of talk 8 years ago, but sooner or later, you’ve got to show some results. And I’m not seeing the accountability.

    It’s tough to keep giving them the benefit of the doubt when they continue to disappoint.

  445. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Derek ” Turk ” Sanderson and Nameth indeed went in on a bar. Not a generally recommended thing to do.

  446. luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Shame,

    And I agree… They are not even good at spending money

  447. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Joeman-

    I’d like to apologize to you for once again making a fool of myself.

    I would imagine you have travelled the country extensively. No need for me to tell you what’s out there.

    But she is a beauty I’m sure you would agree.

    :)

  448. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    But you are right… This is vintage Steinbrenners Yankees… That’s why they don’t have 2 or 3 more titles on their shelves…. With their resources they should be winning 1 out of every 4 seasons… But I understand that from the fan POV this is more fun… Instant gratification, new toys every season, lots of rumors to talk about… But in the end, this will hurt more than help…
    ///

    We did not buy a championship in 2009, but if we were to win this year (they’d need to do a lot more to be in that conversation), that is indeed what we would have had to have done, unless they pull off a real trade that isn’t a salary dump type thing for a player like Kemp.

    In 2009, all of our up-the-middle everyday guys were homegrown.

    Yeah, we signed C and AJ, and Tex, but had we not had the foundation that just kept on giving and giving – or homegrowns and crucial players Pettitte and Rivera – we’d have won precisely nothing.

    Besides, Rivera, the bullpen featured: Hughes, setup; Chamberlain, Robertson (remember the bases-loaded, no outs jam he wiggled out of in ALDS vs. Minny), Coke, LHP, Aceves, our IFA out of Mexico who I watched at Trenton… Damaso Marte we got in a trade for Tabata.

    Even Gardner, another farm guy, was in the lineup in Game 6 clincher, and pinch ran a few times before Melky got hurt against Philadelphia in the WS.

    This team has Nova, Phelps, etc and some BP arms – that’s it for guys we drafted or signed as IFAs.

    You can’t win that way; you may get a perfect storm one year and everything breaks right, but you just can’t win consistently with guys who are on the downside.

    They have to really not blow it with guys like Jagielo, Andujar, Katoh, Feliz, Gumbs, Sanchez, Avellino, and make sure some of those projectable arms actually get here.

    If they keep turning young guys into older players for short-term fixes it’s going to be the occasional run, if we’re lucky.

    It’s somewhat hollow to hear the farm stinks and we have to buy other people’s talent to win anything. Not very exciting at all, IMO.

  449. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Indeed. I was thrilled to hear that kind of talk 8 years ago, but sooner or later, you’ve got to show some results. And I’m not seeing the accountability.

    It’s tough to keep giving them the benefit of the doubt when they continue to disappoint.

    —————–

    Yep the same exact thing happened to me. I was a big repeat big Cashman supporter. My friends would say where is the talent and I would reply it’s only yr two these things take time but after yrs of disappoint you can’t support blindly anymore.

    The results have not been there.

  450. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    I’m happy.

    And getting happier by the day.

    Haven’t had this much fun since after 08.

    :)

  451. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Derek Sanderson has made it all the way back, and Bobby Orr too, as he is an agent who demands that his clients know how to take care of their own funds. Alan Eagleson raped Bobby Orr, but was found out, and convicted both in the U.S., and Canada.

  452. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    God help the rest of baseball?? Eight yrs and counting I don’t think baseball is hiding in a corner somewhere
    ///

    He’s gone from “God help the rest of baseball”

    to

    “STFU Alex”

    Nothing but hot air.

  453. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    @McCulloughSL: Source: Yankees receiving significant interest in Brett Gardner and willing to trade him. They’re not shopping him, but they’re listening.

  454. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Shame Spencer December 7th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Tanaka may or may not even be posted (if he is, I hope they get him) but none of the other FA options impress me.

    ——————–

    From the last updates I saw last night, they’re leaning towards not posting him (which makes a ton of business sense since they can just post him next year when he only has one year of service left to them).

    I’d target guys like Colon or Arroyo on short term deals. Neither are ideal, and I prefer Colon, but I think that might be the direction they go in. I don’t see how trading for Anderson helps much unless you give up nothing.

    —–

    Ew. Not exactly ideal is right and I most definitely see them targeting Colon. He seems more likely than Tanaka right now. I just hope whatever he did to find his fountain of youth is still in steady supply.

    But mick is already penciling Tanaka into the rotation, which seems quite presumptuous to me.

  455. blake December 7th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    @McCulloughSL: Source: Yankees receiving significant interest in Brett Gardner and willing to trade him. They’re not shopping him, but they’re listening.

  456. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Some of you may like my Photographs.

    But you want to hear something really funny ?

    I can’t even draw a stick figure properly.

    Isn’t it amazing the way the Good Lord works ?

    Until I started taking photographs I had no idea I had any ability whatsoever.

    What a hoot.

    :)

  457. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    The Order of Canada was removed from Alan Eagleson, and also his hockey Hall of Fame place, due largely to Orr who stated, ” either you kick Eagleson out, or, I’m removing myself “.

  458. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    Joeman-

    I’d like to apologize to you for once again making a fool of myself.

    I would imagine you have travelled the country extensively. No need for me to tell you what’s out there.

    But she is a beauty I’m sure you would agree.
    —————————————
    family always talked about moving to Texas..

  459. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    And what’s even more amazing.

    I am completely self-taught.

    How could I do that w/o help ?

    ;)

  460. Howler December 7th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    that is funny…I tell people the same thing…great photos…can’t draw a good stick figure.

  461. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Rose belongs in the hall

    I’ve never had any trouble with that. I just never want to see him in an MLB dugout in a uniform or in an MLB front office.

  462. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Joeman-

    Best parts of Texas IMO are the hill country and the areas around Big Bend.

    No taxes. Great BBQ. Beautiful women.

    What more could a guy ask for ?

    If you want to see really astonishing beauty come to Utah though.

    ;)

  463. luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Primo,

    I just want them banned for good this time… This is no way to run an organization… We will end up worse if what we have in the farm doesn’t pan out… But I think in the end, all that good talent will be traded like in the 80′s… Trust me, they should know better, but they are uncapable of doing anything different

  464. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Rhapsody(love the name by the way),

    I suspect people would have questioned Cano if he had selected a white rock and roll music bigwig. We’ll never know.

  465. mick December 7th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    But mick is already penciling Tanaka into the rotation, which seems quite presumptuous to me.
    ======================
    You didn’t answer my question about the #5 GF, but if no Tanaka and we get a Colon/Arroyo at 4, I could live with that, and these were my words:

    “They will certainly get either Tanaka or someone else at #4.”

    This is not penciling in Tanaka.

  466. Yankees_Fan December 7th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    So if they trade Gardner, only Jeter, kn his way out, would be homegrown in starting lineup. :/

  467. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    blake December 7th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    @McCulloughSL: Source: Yankees receiving significant interest in Brett Gardner and willing to trade him. They’re not shopping him, but they’re listening.
    —————————————————————–
    I’m not touching that…you trying to bait me

  468. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    If they’re going to trade Gardner, it has to be an obvious win for the Yankees. Because I think they’re going to need him next year. So it better seem like it’s an overpay. Maybe a bidding war breaks out because of the lack of outfielders available.

  469. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Yep the same exact thing happened to me. I was a big repeat big Cashman supporter. My friends would say where is the talent and I would reply it’s only yr two these things take time but after yrs of disappoint you can’t support blindly anymore.

    The results have not been there.
    ///

    Odds, this was me also, on PSD, for several years.

    Not only do I feel played by him (I vehemently defended the approach, which I still believe in; it’s the guy who was espousing that approach who I lost any faith in)

    Compounding Cashman’s incompetence is his entirely unnecessary gratuitous comments that make him sound like a teenager testing his parents or the substitute teacher.

    He’s not a grownup and it embarrasses me that a Yankee GM behaves as he does. He even put poor Nunez on the defensive (no jokes, please); how is this productive?? And how in the name of Yankees, does this guy talk with a straight face about “character”?

    His leash is only what it is because the guy who owns the team, and his Machiavellian sidekick from City Hall, don’t really even know how to evaluate the job he’s doing.

  470. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Howler-

    Then it sounds like GL has blessed you with the same instrument.

    You’re lucky.

    Use it well.

    :)

  471. Yankees_Fan December 7th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    I really hope they post Tanaka and we can sign him, but if not, the FA options arent pretty and we MUST improve the starting roation.

  472. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Rose and erudtion don’t necessarily mix, so I overlook the shoot yourself in the foot aspect, prefering the larger picture with more than Cobb. Judge the man’s playing days, ask Fosse!

  473. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    You can’t win that way; you may get a perfect storm one year and everything breaks right, but you just can’t win consistently with guys who are on the downside.

    They have to really not blow it with guys like Jagielo, Andujar, Katoh, Feliz, Gumbs, Sanchez, Avellino, and make sure some of those projectable arms actually get here.

    If they keep turning young guys into older players for short-term fixes it’s going to be the occasional run, if we’re lucky.

    —-

    No doubt. This front office is guilty of playing way too many games of checkers and not nearly enough games of chess.

  474. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    Joeman-

    Best parts of Texas IMO are the hill country and the areas around Big Bend.

    No taxes. Great BBQ. Beautiful women.

    What more could a guy ask for ?

    If you want to see really astonishing beauty come to Utah though.

    ;)
    ———————————————–
    north central south east or west Utah

  475. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    blake-

    Of course they are. That comes as no surprise. That he is drawing interest.

    :)

  476. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Pistol Pete does belong in the HOF..who the hell is keeping him out of it…we need a vote

  477. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Primo,

    I just want them banned for good this time… This is no way to run an organization… We will end up worse if what we have in the farm doesn’t pan out… But I think in the end, all that good talent will be traded like in the 80?s… Trust me, they should know better, but they are uncapable of doing anything different
    ///

    Hey primo, it’s the same old-same old; you wait these guys out and hope the farm doesn’t get gauged once more while they chase fantasies.

    A job well done, and worth doing, takes time and investment. There are no short cuts, if you want to get back to baseball dominance.

    The farm has to be productive.

  478. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    God help the rest of baseball?? Eight yrs and counting I don’t think baseball is hiding in a corner somewhere
    ///

    He’s gone from “God help the rest of baseball”

    to

    “STFU Alex”

    Nothing but hot air.

    —————

    Lol he’s got a mouth that’s for sure

  479. mick December 7th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    @McCulloughSL: Source: Yankees receiving significant interest in Brett Gardner and willing to trade him. They’re not shopping him, but they’re listening.
    =======================
    This means they have some leverage.
    With the right deal and Ellsbury the new leadoff CF, he looks gone.
    Esp since they most likely lose him for nothing next year.
    Leave Sori in LF, get Choo, DH Beltran.

  480. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    I know all about, Texas, big fan of, Bobby, J.R., and th rest of the cast of, Dallas. Elvis’ wife was a good addition.

  481. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    JAP,

    Would you have wanted the Yankees to go the the “bottom line” $235M?

  482. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    If Roy Halladay gets in the hall, sure as hell Dave Stieb should.

  483. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    Shame,

    And I agree… They are not even good at spending money

    No but it is good PR and they are good at that.

  484. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    ——————-

    Yes his little digs at the players it’s one of those things where you think why create that hostility with them. I understand keeping the distance between management and the players but c’mon now.

  485. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Joeman-

    All of it pretty much.

    Those Mormons weren’t stupid.

    Depends on what you like.

    I live in the SW part of the state.

    I kid about desert but with a 1/2 or so I have 10K peaks and within 90 miles 12,000 footers.

    It’s a very diverse environment.

    Where the Desert meets the Colorado plateau.

    :)

  486. luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    I like your analogy GF… Instant gratification with no regard for the long term… They won’t be able to sustain success this way.

    And now the last homegrown position player is about to be traded… Because Jeter is as sure as gone after this season

    The Yankees is like the spoiled rich kid that needs to keep on upgrading his toys to show his status… A bigger house, bigger private plane and so on…. I wish they were more like Warren Buffet in that regard… He doesn’t need that stuff and yet he is more successful than most of them, because he internally knows it.

  487. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    If they trade Gardner I want to see someone coming back that’s not a one year rental. So let me ask this question, would you trade him for a top 100 prospect? Someone that’s in AA or higher already (not a low minors kid).

  488. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Cano ranks up there avec, Alomar and Molitor.

  489. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    MTU,

    You forgot the best part of Texas is the keen baseball wisdom of one of it’s residents.

  490. CountryClub December 7th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    The problem with letting Gardner go is that it only takes one injury before Ichiro is a regular player again. That can’t happen.

  491. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Joeman-

    If you like give Chad your e-mail for me and I will send you all the photos you can stand.

    I promise I will respect your privacy.

    :)

  492. mick December 7th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Pistol Pete does belong in the HOF..who the hell is keeping him out of it…we need a vote
    ===========================
    Please note the paragraph where Rose placed himself on the ineligible list: (toward the bottom)

    The National Baseball Hall of Fame has not banned Pete Rose. Indeed, the Hall’s electors, specifically the eligible baseball writers of America, have never voted on Rose’s candidacy. Major League Baseball (MLB), an enterprise separate from the Hall of Fame, has never deemed Rose ineligible for the Hall, nor does MLB have the authority to do so. Rose is commonly termed “banned” from the Hall, but the truth is he could have been voted in this past winter. The reason Rose has never stood for Hall election is because the Hall disallows election of anyone whose name appears on MLB’s “permanently ineligible list.” Rose appears on that list because he voluntarily accepted a permanent assignment to that list; in return, MLB promised to make no formal finding in relation to Rose’s betting on the Cincinnati Reds when he was their manager in the 1980s.

  493. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    No doubt. This front office is guilty of playing way too many games of checkers and not nearly enough games of chess.
    //

    GF,

    That’s an apt metaphor.

    I don’t understand a GM’s nine lives who produces a bare cupboard. Now, if they trade Gardner (and obviously it depends on who they get), we will have NO homegrown everyday regulars – wait for it – under 40. (At least, as of June 26th).

    How does that happen?

    It seems you couldn’t make that happen if you tried.

  494. luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Hans,

    Everything they do is a PR move… And yes, they are good at it

  495. Yankees_Fan December 7th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/.....1;mlb.html

    So Cano was supposedly sour on NYY and Girardi bwcause he wanted to drive in more runs. What do you guys think of this article?

  496. Shame Spencer December 7th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    GF – Yeah, ‘not ideal’ might be an attempt at kindness.. but I’d sign Colon and if Tanaka is posted get him too and let that be a bonus. I don’t think they can focus on Tanaka as anything other than icing on the cake at this point because I dunno what motivation the Eagles would have for putting him up now.

    Dude is a rock star on that team after the season he had (capped off an undefeated season with a championship – insane), and they can still grab that $20 million next season after they milk another one from him.

  497. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Yep the same exact thing happened to me. I was a big repeat big Cashman supporter. My friends would say where is the talent and I would reply it’s only yr two these things take time but after yrs of disappoint you can’t support blindly anymore.

    The results have not been there.

    —–

    There are a number of us longtime regulars (me, you, JAP, Shame, Pat M, YF, Doreen, etc, etc) who are in this boat in some varying degree or another.

    But we are oftentimes labeled as negative when we don’t eat up everything Cashman says these days.

  498. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    True story, I had a couple of nice Mormons in suits come to the door, and the first thing they tried to say was that they weren’t into polygamy. They gave me their book. I also have the Johovah Witness’ book, I figure if these people are giving it away for free, I’m taking it. I gave Sam the Jehovah Witness guy audio tapes of Sylvia Plath in return.

  499. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    My view is simple. I believe the Yankees have been poorly managed for quite a long time but managed to win a good amount by spending. The management is the same. They will not win for a very long time if they don’t spend. So spend. But, spend wisely.

    I would love spending as a very big market team on free agents and drafting and development. They are not mutually exclusive.

  500. Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Sorry, luis. I forgot you among the “negative ninny” boat.

  501. mick December 7th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    But we are oftentimes labeled as negative when we don’t eat up everything Cashman says these days.
    =========
    Who cares what Cash says?

  502. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Giuseppe Franco December 7th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Yep the same exact thing happened to me. I was a big repeat big Cashman supporter. My friends would say where is the talent and I would reply it’s only yr two these things take time but after yrs of disappoint you can’t support blindly anymore.

    The results have not been there.

    —–

    There are a number of us longtime regulars (me, you, JAP, Shame, Pat M, YF, Doreen, etc, etc) who are in this boat in some varying degree or another.

    But we are oftentimes labeled as negative when we don’t eat up everything Cashman says these days.

    ———

    Yea it’s not being negative it’s adjusting your outlook when things change. Ppl do it on here all he time and don’t take heat for it.

  503. Tar December 7th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Yep the same exact thing happened to me. I was a big repeat big Cashman supporter. My friends would say where is the talent and I would reply it’s only yr two these things take time but after yrs of disappoint you can’t support blindly anymore.

    The results have not been there.
    ///

    Odds, this was me also, on PSD, for several years.

    Not only do I feel played by him (I vehemently defended the approach, which I still believe in; it’s the guy who was espousing that approach who I lost any faith in)

    Compounding Cashman’s incompetence is his entirely unnecessary gratuitous comments that make him sound like a teenager testing his parents or the substitute teacher.

    He’s not a grownup and it embarrasses me that a Yankee GM behaves as he does. He even put poor Nunez on the defensive (no jokes, please); how is this productive?? And how in the name of Yankees, does this guy talk with a straight face about “character”?

    His leash is only what it is because the guy who owns the team, and his Machiavellian sidekick from City Hall, don’t really even know how to evaluate the job he’s doing.”

    Yep…. feel the same way.

  504. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Yes his little digs at the players it’s one of those things where you think why create that hostility with them. I understand keeping the distance between management and the players but c’mon now.
    ///

    It is so beyond just keeping it businesslike.

    It’s the sign of a bad poker player, really. Cashman isn’t “tough”; were really tough he would just be firm, focused and stoic. He resorts to “playing” tough. He just comes off as ineffective and graceless.

  505. luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    No offense taken GF…. Although I have been labeled the President of the group… So have some respect!! ;)

  506. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    I love all the opinions here. Whatever they may be. You people change my opinions at times.

  507. mick December 7th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    you were dethroned long ago..

  508. Tar December 7th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Cashman changed when he consolidated his power. He was a lot more humble back then.

    Now he’s just a ………

  509. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Tar, Alex lifeson thought you were coming up for dinner? He went all out.

  510. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    JAP,

    Would you have wanted the Yankees to go the the “bottom line” $235M?
    ///

    The money he got is crazy, but the indictment really is much more insidious: how do you lose track of your great 2B, your infield glue, your best – only? – true mid-order threat?

    How?

    He walks. For nothing.

    More great planning by the FO.

    No, I’m not going to slap them on the back and say “job, well done.”

  511. blake December 7th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Sign Choo
    Trade Gardner

  512. MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    New thread ——>

  513. Hans Davenport December 7th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    Hans,

    Everything they do is a PR move… And yes, they are good at it

    I have honestly given up on this mismanagement team ever producing anything worthwhile in the farm system as to a position player. I think it is out of the question unless something happens in the way of someone like Stick coming along and getting real control.
    So this is it. This is as good as it is going to get. They will win or lose with a lineup of hired hands.
    My only regret is that they are not going to let up on the PR where Cano is concerned. They will slander him to perdition.

  514. austinmac December 7th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Is this really Cashman’s personality? If so, no wonder a guy with money and a title couldn’t get a mistress who was either sane or decent looking.

    I hate his pithy, snarky comments.

  515. Against All Odds December 7th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    mick December 7th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    you were dethroned long ago..

    —————-

    http://i.imgur.com/LP4KzEF.gif

  516. jmills December 7th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    I’ve been known to have been able to be shifted by others, I’m loose that way :)

  517. luis December 7th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Mac,

    They are if you don’t have a homegrown core in place… We sucked for a few years before we had the core four…. But I agree, with this FO and ownership, spending was the only way to try and win… The problem is that it is unsustainable and the team is going to be worse off after all is said and done

  518. Tar December 7th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Hi Jmills

    Something came up…catch the mystery…catch the drift

    :D

  519. J. Alfred Prufrock December 7th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    I would love spending as a very big market team on free agents and drafting and development. They are not mutually exclusive.
    ///

    I have to split, but it’s the Yankees who are guilty of the idea that they are mutually exclusive.

  520. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    Joeman-

    All of it pretty much.

    Those Mormons weren’t stupid.

    Depends on what you like.

    I live in the SW part of the state.

    I kid about desert but with a 1/2 or so I have 10K peaks and within 90 miles 12,000 footers.

    It’s a very diverse environment.

    Where the Desert meets the Colorado plateau.

    :)
    ———————————–
    I think I fly over that area on my way to vegas twice a year

  521. joeman December 7th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    MTU December 7th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    Joeman-

    If you like give Chad your e-mail for me and I will send you all the photos you can stand.

    I promise I will respect your privacy.
    ——————————-
    will do

  522. Pat M. December 7th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    So Cano is now saying that he didn’t want to return to The Yanks was because of Joe Giradi ???? Didn’t even bother to call them to see if they would counter-offer the Seattle deal ???? He’s all your’s Seattle

  523. Ted Nelson December 7th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Considering that Granderson barely played last season and didn’t hit (overall) when he did play, they don’t really have to “replace” him. Pretty hard not

    I don’t think that there’s much logic to isolating LH or RH power in a line-up. You have to maximize the total contribution of a player (and the roster overall). Check out the Card’s AGM article on fangraphs. A lot of people like to talk about getting RH power or LH power, but in reality (logically) that’s meaningless unless you’re taking a look at the entire picture. Nelson Cruz hits for power, but overall he’s a mediocre hitter in LF at best and a terrible defender. He’s about a 1.5 WAR player. Even if RF was wide open I would not want to see the Yankees pay Cruz what he’s looking for. At maybe a 2 year $15 million deal he’d be a reasonable signing.

    Hardly a conclusive sample but considering his WARs as a LF vs. CF, one could actually argue that the Yankees would be better using Gardner as a LF. He’s a perfectly adequate lead-off hitter, but his .344 OBP, 24 SBs last season, and 108 wRC+ hardly compel you to make room at the top of your line-up. I don’t buy that his game is necessarily any more valuable elsewhere or that the OF is really overcrowded due to the DH spot, but I would trade Gardner for a longer-term asset if the right deal came around.

  524. Ted Nelson December 7th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    “I would love spending as a very big market team on free agents and drafting and development. They are not mutually exclusive.
    ///

    I have to split, but it’s the Yankees who are guilty of the idea that they are mutually exclusive.”

    They are not mutually exclusive, but a direct trade-off exists.

    The Yankees produced a ton of major league talent from 2005-2011, so I have no idea what you’re talking about in terms of them being guilty of something.

    However, if you look at the probabilities of developing a successful MLB player the first round is orders of magnitude better than even the second round. To consistently sign top FAs you necessarily have to forfeit your 1st rounders. You can’t maximize both spending on veteran talent and developing young talent individually at the same time, you have to try to maximize the combination of the two.

  525. JimK December 7th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    I think Cano made a mistake, the Yankees offer paid more annually than the Seattle contract, except Seattle’s 10 year deal was worth an additional 60 million. It is very unlikely that at the expiration of a NY 7 year deal Cano would have commanded 20 million per year for the next 3 years, but his agent is supposedly an entertainment mogul and by signing with Seattle, Cano basically threw away any opportunities for any lucrative endorsement deals.
    On the other hand maybe Cano wanted a more low pressure environment and hopefully a fan base that is not as overly critical of Cano’s nonchalant style of play.
    One thing is certain, at least IMO, without Cano at second protecting balls hit up the middle, Jeter will be an increased liability at short.
    The bottom line is that I do not think the Y’s have improved by much through their current signings; McCann’s production has been declining since 2006; Ellsbury is injury prone; and Beltran is 38.

  526. searay26 December 7th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Actually…. McCann production has been up and down since 2006. Ellsbury is more prone to running into is own players than he is injury prone, and Beltran is 36.


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