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Yankees announce plans to honor Nelson Mandela in Monument Park

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 09, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

As reported yesterday in the New York Times, the Yankees today officially announced details of their plans to honor Nelson Mandela with a plaque in Monument Park. The plaque will be unveiled as part of Jackie Robinson Day in April. Here are the details from the Yankees.

Mandela-Nelson and WinnieThe New York Yankees today announced that they will honor Nelson Mandela with a plaque in Yankee Stadium’s Monument Park. The dedication will take place as part of Jackie Robinson Day ceremonies on April 15, 2014, prior to the Yankees’ game vs. the Chicago Cubs.

The plaque will celebrate the life of the former South African leader and commemorate his June 21, 1990, Yankee Stadium visit and address. On that historic day, Yankee Stadium was opened to fans, who enjoyed musical performances from Richie Havens, Tracy Chapman, Mighty Sparrow and Judy Collins.

Mandela arrived at Yankee Stadium at the end of the concert, following a day of meeting and addressing New Yorkers in various locations around the city. He spoke to the assembled crowd, then donned a Yankees cap and Yankees jacket and declared — “You know who I am. I am a Yankee.”

At the time of his appearance, Mandela was just four months removed from having spent 27 years in prison.

“Nelson Mandela’s visit was a transcendent moment in the history of the original Yankee Stadium,” Yankees Managing General Partner Hal Steinbrenner said. “We want this plaque to be an everlasting tribute to his indomitable spirit and unfailing dignity.”

The Yankees will work with a group of civic leaders and labor representatives to plan the events surrounding the ceremony.

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210 Responses to “Yankees announce plans to honor Nelson Mandela in Monument Park”

  1. Chip December 9th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Kemp,Bailey,Choo,Tanaka aren’t coming here
    ————–

    I think Bailey and Tanaka could be. The other two probably are not.

  2. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Classy thing to do.

    But then again.

    The Yankees are class.

    :)

  3. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Chip December 9th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
    joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Kemp,Bailey,Choo,Tanaka aren’t coming here
    ————–

    I think Bailey and Tanaka could be. The other two probably are not.
    ——————————————-
    that’s just a wish list….not going to happen

  4. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
    Classy thing to do.

    But then again.

    The Yankees are class.
    ———————————-
    for sure

  5. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    OK joeman.

    I’ll bite.

    So who is ?

  6. Chip December 9th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Chip December 9th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
    joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Kemp,Bailey,Choo,Tanaka aren’t coming here
    ————–

    I think Bailey and Tanaka could be. The other two probably are not.
    ——————————————-
    that’s just a wish list….not going to happen
    ————–

    What makes you say that?

    One just requires money – which the Yankees are fine spending. And the other a trade of a player they just displaced.

    Provided the Yankees can find a suitable fourth OF who can play CF I don’t think they would mind moving Gardner for Bailey.

  7. Tackelberry December 9th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Kemp,Bailey,Choo,Tanaka aren’t coming here

    ______________________________________

    Kemp, Choo for sure not coming. Bailey could be. Tanaka is the most likely.

  8. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    I guess what I am also asking Joeman is since you think The Grister is gone who is the return piece ?

  9. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    What makes you say that?

    ——————-

    Joe hasn’t lead us astray yet.

  10. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
    I guess what I am also asking Joeman is since you think The Grister is gone who is the return piece
    —————————————
    Decided or resolved.

  11. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    nothing for Gardner yet…..

  12. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 9th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    Some of you guys need to jump off that Kemp Bus. It ain’t happenin’.

    ——————

    Unfortunately it’s not

  13. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    AAO-

    It’s why I asked him who he thinks we might be getting next ?

    ;)

  14. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Really? That’s nice and all but I don’t really understand why they would do this. Beyond his wide global influence did Mandela have any specific connection to baseball or the Yankees?

    ——————

    That’s the point his impact was so large it’s their way of paying respect.

  15. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    RS looking for a CFer to lead off

  16. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Joeman-

    Either or both.

    ;)

  17. blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    “Joe hasn’t lead us astray yet.”

    Except for that whole Cliff Lee thing and bunch of other stuff :)

  18. Chip December 9th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    RS looking for a CFer to lead off
    ————–

    Well then Gardner to the Sox for Pedroia it is :-)

  19. Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    RS looking for a CFer to lead off

    Gardner for Bogaerts make it happen cash!

  20. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
    AAO-

    It’s why I asked him who he thinks we might be getting next ?

    ;)

    ——————

    Exactly joe is in the loop :D

  21. blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    The Yanks and sox would make good trade partners if they could actually trade with each other…..they could use Gardner

  22. blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Id take Middlebrooks for Gardner

  23. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Well then Gardner to the Sox for Pedroia it is :-)

    ————–

    Whoa whoa that’s not fair…throw in Uehara and it’s a done deal.

  24. blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Really think the Yanks are laying in the weeks on drew….they haven’t said much…..wouldn’t surprise me if they are pushing infantes name out there to try and keep Drews market down ….make Boston think they are gonna retain him then swoop! He just makes too much sense

  25. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    “Joe hasn’t lead us astray yet.”

    Except for that whole Cliff Lee thing and bunch of other stuff :)
    ———————————
    Lee’s wife screwed that all up and I did say back then it was her fault

  26. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Ruth to the Yankees for Cash.

    ;)

  27. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
    Id take Middlebrooks for Gardner
    ———————————
    you beat me to it Blake…see my head is in the game

  28. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Lee wanted to come here his wife didn’t…..happy wife happy life

  29. UpState December 9th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    blake December 9th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
    UpState says:
    December 9, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    If this NYY / LA / TB scenario is actually grinding about…

    It’s not….I made it up but it’s pretty awesome and Cashman should propose it!
    =====================

    Ahhhh heck !
    I wouldn’t have known that you made it up….good enough to ‘kick-around’ though !!!

  30. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    “Joe hasn’t lead us astray yet.”

    Except for that whole Cliff Lee thing and bunch of other stuff :)

    ———————–

    I’m sure the other stuff is minor and by minor I mean Hal lying about switching to decaf or Hank not smoking anymore.

  31. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    happy wife happy life

    —————-

    Rules to live by

  32. blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    @JeffPassan: Lots of interest in Cuban SS Aledmys Diaz, eligible to sign Feb. 19 after year-long suspension for falsifying age. Some teams like as a 2B.

  33. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    what was the son-in laws name of GS

  34. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    You mean you can actually make a Woman happy ?

    :)

  35. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    You mean you can actually make a Woman happy ?
    —————————–
    no way am I going to touch that

  36. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    I will get banned for sure

  37. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    You mean you can actually make a Woman happy ?

    —————-

    Safe that for Lohud after dark.

  38. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    It was only a Joke.

    Remember.

    ;)

  39. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    save***

  40. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
    MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    You mean you can actually make a Woman happy ?

    —————-

    Safe that for Lohud after dark.
    —————————————-
    now that is funny stuff

  41. blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    @JeffPassan: Teams that had large presences at a recent Aledmys Diaz showcase in Mexico included Braves, Yankees, Giants, Dodgers, Blue Jays and Cards.

  42. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Blake-

    Who ?

    :)

  43. blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: I haven’t seen him, but Cashman is apparently here

  44. blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Cuban SS who lied about their age and had to sit out a year

  45. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    now that is funny stuff

    ————

    Hey Doreen and the everyone else has the Breakfast Club..we gentlemen need our own thing. :D

  46. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    who is Aledmys Diaz ……

  47. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
    @AndrewMarchand: I haven’t seen him, but Cashman is apparently here

    —————

    The Sith Lord has arrived

  48. Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    It’s simple, we kill the Cash Man

  49. austinmac December 9th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    A very remarkable man. Greatness without bullets. Greatness by being good.

  50. austinmac December 9th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Isn’t it a great world where a baseball player lies about being older than he is?

  51. austinmac December 9th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Have all the high end Cuban position players succeeded?

  52. Ys Guy December 9th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    dwight eisenhower watched the 1947 army-navy game at the stadium as the supreme allied commander of the victorious ww2 armies. im not sure i ever saw a plaque for that in the yankee stadium. there should be one for that.

    http://www.magnumphotos.com/C......K1HRGQUAZ9

  53. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    It’s simple, we kill the Cash Man

    ——————-

    A-rod dressed as Sal Maroni: If it’s so simple why haven’t you done it already?

  54. Chip December 9th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    blake December 9th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    @JeffPassan: Lots of interest in Cuban SS Aledmys Diaz, eligible to sign Feb. 19 after year-long suspension for falsifying age. Some teams like as a 2B.
    ——————

    He falsified his age to make himself 23 instead of 21 so he wouldn’t be subject to the IFA signing pool.

    I would be thrilled to see him sign with the Yankees.

  55. blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    @JeffPassan: Nationals are shopping infielder Danny Espinosa, who also could fill utility role vacated by Steve Lombardozzi if he stays in Washington.

    Discuss

  56. blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Espinosa ….swish hitter with power…..only 26

  57. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 9th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Roch Kubatko ?@masnRoch 22m
    #Yankees have talked to Brian Roberts agent. Could just be kicking the ol’ tires. I hear they need a second baseman
    –———————————

    Would love this just to piss buck off!

  58. blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Roberts would make another great addition to the yanks DL

  59. Mordot11 December 9th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Nice gesture by the Yankees.

  60. blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Seattle doesn’t have a monument park

  61. Giuseppe Franco December 9th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Roberts would make another great addition to the yanks DL

    —–

    Yikes! Um, yeah, no thanks. Kicking the tires is fine as long as they don’t ask for a test drive.

    And that’s too bad because he was a pretty damn good player before those 27 injuries he sustained over the past several years forced him to miss so much time.

  62. GregD December 9th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
    Roberts would make another great addition to the yanks DL
    ———-
    you mean our All-Star DL???

  63. GregD December 9th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    gonna miss Robbie Cano………..

  64. Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Espinosa ….swish hitter with power…..only 26

    I’d be interested depending on what the Nationals want.

  65. blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Roberts could also be on our all 2006 team

  66. luis December 9th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Good evening guys,

    Interesting threads this day…A pity I couldn’t join the fray… So here are a few thoughts:

    1)About Gardner… I do concur that he is probably more valuable with the team than traded… But Almonte could fill in for Soriano or Beltran… The problem lies if Ellsbury goes down… Without Gardner there is no MLB ready substitute… Also, our D would be much more stronger with Gardner playing LF.

    2) About Torre… I am glad, although I am not a big fan of his… His tell all book is a stain that wiil carry some weight for a while to me.

    3) About GS not making the HOF… No comment

    4) The most important topic IMO was brought up by bigdan about the cap… I can’t believe it, but if true, this Yankee ownership is really clueless… I can’t believe even Cashman can support such a shortsighted srance. For more you can read my posts in last night thread about it.

    5) Roberts… Thanks but no thanks

  67. luis December 9th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Patrick… Good points and posts by the way

  68. austinmac December 9th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Danny Espinosa–no thanks. He is a low hitting strike out machine.

  69. blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Espinosa does K a lot but also is a plus defender and has pop…..he was a 3+ war guy the 2 years he was healthy and is only 26…..just reaching prime age

  70. blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Can play SS…..

  71. Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Danny Espinosa–no thanks. He is a low hitting strike out machine.

    Yeah he does strike out a lot but he hits for more power than an average middle infielder and seems to be a pretty good fielder. Also pretty young, could develop more as a hitter. To be honest, the options for middle infielders are pretty bad. If it’s between Espinosa or Infante I take Espinosa probably

  72. luis December 9th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Blake,

    About Espinosa… 189 k’s in his last full season. 47 k’s in 167 at bats, that’s like 28% of the time… As back up maybe…But never as a regular… So I would pass

  73. blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Might make more sense to just sign drew though…..

  74. luis December 9th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    If Sherman is right…He may be all we would be able to get for infield help though

  75. Ys Guy December 9th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    hal might have had an argument that the yankees payroll was too far above everyone else’s a couple of years ago and they could say for a couple years that they pre paid for teixeira and co in 2009 and were trying to get back to sanity. until now

    the yankees as it stands now, have a decent chance of being the third highest payroll in mlb. there is no excuse for this. they are by far the highest revenue team and most certainly the most profitable team.

    if they were coming off a WS championship they could claim that they dont think they need to spend more than everybody, but that is not the case and this is a team with needs.

    its time to spend, especially in the cases where spending fills a hole and keeps the few prospects we have in the system.

    the heavy spending is likely done, except for maybe tanaka. not filling the holes that need to be filled will greatly diminish the money they just shelled out on the big stars.

  76. blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    About Espinosa… 189 k’s in his last full season. 47 k’s in 167 at bats, that’s like 28% of the time… As back up maybe…But never as a regular… So I would pass”

    Also 21 homers and good defense though…..the cards have tried to trade for him so that’s telling

  77. Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Might make more sense to just sign drew though…..

    Sign Drew
    Move Jeter to 3B

    .. maybe if I say it enough Cash Man will do it

  78. luis December 9th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Besides, we already have Johnson and Ryan and his noodle bat… We need a better player to either play 3B or 2B

  79. blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    luis says:
    December 9, 2013 at 5:36 pm
    Besides, we already have Johnson and Ryan and his noodle bat… We need a better player to either play 3B or 2B

    Easier said than done though….. I really think they should sign drew. He’s better than Infante

  80. Ys Guy December 9th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    espinosa got sent down this year, no?

    couldn’t hit a lick.

  81. luis December 9th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    I agree Blake…. Drew would be my choice too…But then you need to convince Jeter to move to third…Infante gives you more flexibilty though

  82. Ys Guy December 9th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    you can’t move jeter, be realistic. for one thing it puts him in competition with arod should he not be suspended. for another thing…old dog…new tricks…

    not a good idea at all.

  83. luis December 9th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Y’s,

    I think we are all thinking with premise that Arod is out for the season or for most of it… Also, It still remains to be seen if Jeter will be able to play at all

  84. Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    you can’t move jeter, be realistic. for one thing it puts him in competition with arod should he not be suspended. for another thing…old dog…new tricks…

    not a good idea at all.

    1. A-rod is getting suspended
    2. 3B is easier than SS
    3. It’s less realistic to expect Jeter to start at SS. He was already horrible there, now with one intact ankle imagine how bad it will be

  85. Giuseppe Franco December 9th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    There are a lot of people who believe Project $189M is dead and buried given the spending they’ve done so far.

    I’m personally not convinced just yet. Sure, getting under that specific figure may not happen this offseason but I still think they will try to position themselves as close to that number as possible.

    I hope they get aggressive with Tanaka (provided he’s even posted) but I’m not expecting them to significantly blow past that magic $189M figure without hesitation.

    Those with inside sources are still talking about that figure even after the Ellsbury and Beltran deals so I tend to believe where there’s smoke there’s fire.

  86. austinmac December 9th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Nettles was on MLB radio today and was asked about Torre. He said great player and very fortunate to come to the Yankees when he did. Not a warm managerial endorsement.

  87. blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Infante is only more versatile than Drew if Drew refuses to play anywhere but SS….because he could play all 3 well I’m sure if he woukd

  88. luis December 9th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    GF,

    Once they chose the spending route they need to continue until they have a real contender. Otherwise, the signings are no more than a ploy to attract fans… Because the team as it is right now, is not a contender.

  89. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Luis-

    “Once they chose the spending route they need to continue until they have a real contender.”

    So do you think they will ?

  90. austinmac December 9th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Drew’s attitude about positions may be different last year. Last year he was playing for a one year prove himself healthy and capable year. This year it is about money.

  91. blake December 9th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    austinmac says:
    December 9, 2013 at 5:54 pm
    Drew’s attitude about positions may be different last year. Last year he was playing for a one year prove himself healthy and capable year. This year it is about money.

    Agreed….he already re-established his value. He’s probably gonna take the biggest deal .

  92. luis December 9th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Mac,

    Nettles is right… Great clubhouse peace keeper. But after Zimmer left it was never the same… He is the unsung hero of the dynasty

  93. Yankee Trader December 9th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    What happened with the idea of getting Chris Owings to play 3rd until Jeter retires. don’t the DBacks want a backup catcher and bullpen help?

  94. Giuseppe Franco December 9th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    The Boss certainly deserves to be in the HoF for the way he changed the business side of baseball. He was the master.

    That said, he was not the guy I wanted making baseball decisions. He was too infatuated with being in the headlines and fielding a team like a Broadway show.

    Put a boring product on the field that just wins ballgames and you’ll get plenty of attention.

  95. jacksquat December 9th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    If looking for young and cheap, I suggested this last year but I would check in on Wilmer Flores of the Mets.

  96. luis December 9th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    MTU,

    Good evening…. I hope they will…Otherwise, we are in the worse case scenario…Not good enough to win it all and not bad enough to have a good drafting position and pool money for IFA’s…Mediocrity at it’s best

  97. chicken_stanley December 9th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Good evening guys

    Off topic request:

    RIB-If you’re out there – I saw your Sioux City posts (pretty funny)… you also mentioned good Mexican restaurants… do you remember one by name to recommend? I’m here and have eaten at Bev’s On The River 3 straight meals… its good but I’m ready to branch out :)

  98. Giuseppe Franco December 9th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    luis December 9th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    GF,

    Once they chose the spending route they need to continue until they have a real contender. Otherwise, the signings are no more than a ploy to attract fans… Because the team as it is right now, is not a contender.

    —–

    Indeed…I was making the very same argument the other day with mick. This is not a playoff team right now because they have too many holes. In fact, even with their new toys, this team is worse than they were in Sept.

    Shockingly, he disagreed.

    Everything they’ve done thus far is window dressing if they don’t stay aggressive and address their other holes too.

  99. Yankee Trader December 9th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    MTU

    I think they will spend for another quality starter and try and trade for the rest of the holes or fill with low cost options. The next signing will take them over the LT Yankee Punishment mark.

  100. luis December 9th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    GF,

    I call the 80′s teams, the baseball’s equivalent of “The Harlem Golbetrotters”… A circus that won squat

  101. UpState December 9th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Yankee Trader December 9th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
    What happened with the idea of getting Chris Owings to play 3rd until Jeter retires. don’t the DBacks want a backup catcher and bullpen help?
    ===============================

    That’s one of the 3 MiLB players I hope the Yankees are trying to get (well at least considering):

    AZ – Owings
    AZ – Davidson
    LA – Seager

  102. Pat M. December 9th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    I’m just getting caught up however I just can’t not comment on the Koufax debate earlier. Gibson was outstanding no doubt however someone here actually posted that the opinion of Bill James Buster Onley and some other person is the clincher that Gibson was better than Sandy Koufax . Say What ???? Maybe if those guys were Ernie Banks, Mickey Mantle, Frank Robinson, Willie Mays, Eddie Matthews , Willie McCovery maybe then I’d be persuaded to think that Gibbie was better than the Graet Koufax. Danny Espinosa I’ve known since his HS days at Mater Dei HS. Very good glove , smart player with outstanding instincts for the game it’s just that he’s not a switch hitter and I’ve always though was better at 2nd rather than short…… Buster Onley, really ????

  103. blake December 9th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    I’m not sure the yanks could get Espinosa…..what do yanks have the Nats need ?

  104. luis December 9th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Good evening Trader,

    Yes, they need an SP starter ( Tanaka would be the logical choice )… But they need a true regular to play either 2B or 3B as well… I think their payroll needs to be around 220 mil without Arod

  105. Giuseppe Franco December 9th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    luis December 9th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    GF,

    I call the 80?s teams, the baseball’s equivalent of “The Harlem Golbetrotters”… A circus that won squat

    —–

    That’s a good way to put it. They usually had good offenses but their pitching stunk and had too many egomaniacs.

  106. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    Luis-

    You don’t sound confident about it.

    YT-

    I’m on the same page w you regarding getting a youngster.

    I hope they do it.

  107. joeman December 9th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    NYY aren’t getting Drew and Jeter isn’t going to play 3rd

  108. luis December 9th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    MTU,

    After Sherman’s piece, my confidence is kind of shaky. Why would he keep saying it if there wasn’t some truth behind it?

  109. Yankee Trader December 9th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    PatM

    I talked to Bob Gibson when he was a coach for the Braves, and still a physical specimen. I actually went up to him and kiddingly said, ” You look familiar. Aren’t you the one who used to get into all those pitching duels with Sandy Koufax. ”

    His reply, ” Yes, and I lost most of them.”

    I told him, ” No, I don’t think so.”

  110. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Here’s my view on 189.

    If there is something else that the Yankees want and need and it takes them over then they go over.

    Since they still need a mid-rotation starter, a LOOGY, and either a SU or 2b/3b type they will have no choice but to go over.

    So I see 189 as met the dustbin of History for now.

    Now get me Infante, Bailey, a LOOGY, and a backfill for GGBG.

    I want more but those are the minimums.

    ;)

  111. chicken_stanley December 9th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Unfortunately I never got to see Koufax or Gibson pitch… I did meet Gibson at a memorabilia show a couple months ago – he was civil but there’s no doubt in my mind that he would still not hesitate to bring the high heat (even if it was at an old timers game) :)

  112. Giuseppe Franco December 9th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

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    MTU,

    After Sherman’s piece, my confidence is kind of shaky. Why would he keep saying it if there wasn’t some truth behind it?

    —-

    That’s precisely how I see it.

  113. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Glenn-

    Saw them both.

    Awesome.

  114. Giuseppe Franco December 9th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    MTU,

    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think they’ll get under that figure this offseason either. It seems impossible at this point unless they simply go dumpster diving to fill every other hole.

    But the million dollar question to me is just how far beyond that figure are they going to be willing to go?

  115. Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    NYY aren’t getting Drew and Jeter isn’t going to play 3rd

    If this is the case then the Yankees are making a mistake.

    Sign Stephen Drew for SS
    Move Jeter to 3B

    It’s my mantra

  116. Howler December 9th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Luis you’re not going to like this…but we’re trading another of the prospects….
    Dante Bichete Jr. for Sherzer.

  117. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Probably because his information is not accurate.

    They cannot get what they still need/must have and stay under.

    The math just doesn’t add up.

  118. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    For a team so noisy before the meetings, the Yankees are dead silent and Cashman has not been seen.

    I’m suspicious.

  119. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Are the NY reporters drunk already?

  120. austinmac December 9th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Who is our back up 1B if Teixiera can’t play or needs a day off?

  121. Pat M. December 9th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    I just ran into Jim Palmer in October at Hartfields Airport and I aked him as I do with every blaaplayer from that era and his comment was that Koufax was beyond great and that he dominated his position much like The Babe dominated his position. He also indicated that Riviera could be included but there were guys who were in the neighborhood in the regular season but what set Rivera apart was his October performances

  122. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    GF-

    Once they haven’t reset the tax the rest is fairly academic in my mind.

    Just a guess but I figure they can go to roughly 225.

    That way they still will have some headroom.

    If they build this Team out correctly Hal will make a mint.

  123. Howler December 9th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    has any decent move been completed yet?

  124. Yankee Trader December 9th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Asdrubal Cabrera. Isn’t he a FA after next season. Indians need a closer

    Need to think out of the box. Drew won’t be signed. Infante will get more than he’s worth in dollars and years. Espinosa was worse than terrible. Kemp or Ethier will be available, but the Yankees don’t have what it takes. Phillips gets too much in dollars and years, and there are clubhouse concerns with him.

    It’ll probably be a trade for an infielder that even Joeman won’t have the inside info! :)

    No disrespect Joe!

    Time for dinner.

    Be back later.

  125. Howler December 9th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Jeter might ask for a piece of the team to be completed after he retires to move to 3rd

  126. luis December 9th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    GF,

    We have lost 8,2 WAR and added 12,3 WAR… That’s 4,1 WAR increase… If our Pythagorean record was 79 ( we won 85 with a lot of luck )… This means that right now our team is a 83-84 wins club… Hardy a contender… They need to do much more to put this team in the 90′s win record

  127. chicken_stanley December 9th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Its so awesome to have posters of all ages here… Hankflorida gives us glimpses of Joe D, The Splinter, etc. Pat M., MTU, Austinmac, and many others can give accounts of Koufax and Gibbie and players of that era. There are those close to my age that can discuss the players of the 70s and 80s. Lastly, there are posters that I surmise cut their teeth with the core 4.

    The different viewpoints have been refreshing and have definitely opened my eyes

  128. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Bret-

    I wouldn’t be concerned.

    The Yankees are operating under somewhat different conditions right now.

    What I mean is that they make be more focused on some trades rather than just FA’s.

    Trades sometimes take more time to arrange as more possibilities might need to be sorted through.

    IMO more things are coming basically out of necessity.

    ;)

  129. blake December 9th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: Chances of Trumbo trade increasing. #Angels more open. #Dbacks pushing. Other teams in, all with improving offers.o

  130. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Jeter wouldn’t move to 3rd for A-rod…no way he’s moving for Drew.

  131. Howler December 9th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    He was a lot younger when A-Rod got here, although at the time I thought it would’ve been the better move.

  132. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Seeing Sandy Koufax or Bob Gibson pitch was a phenomenon.

    Like watching a force of Nature.

    You knew you were seeing something extraordinary.

    :)

  133. Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Jeter was 29 when A-rod joined the Yankees. He’s now entering his age 40 season .. big difference.

  134. Howler December 9th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    It’s usually the 3 team trades that come up with the deals that are unexpected, so there is a lot you can’t really predict in what might happen in regards to that.

  135. luis December 9th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Howler,

    That’s a trade I could get behind without hesitation…Even my hugger heart could deal with such loss ;)

  136. blake December 9th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Jeter not moving when he was 28 is a little different than 39 though

  137. Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Also using poor decisions of the past is no way to justify a poor decision today.

  138. Howler December 9th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Luis something tells me you’d drive the players to their respective teams for that trade :)

  139. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Don’t understand all the interest ( if in fact there really is any) in Trumbo.

    He’s pretty one dimensional to me.

    Want a guy like him for less just get Morse.

    Actually Morse might be better.

    ;)

  140. blake December 9th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    It’s a good thing Jeter didn’t move for Arod because if he had they’d have been looking for a SS a long time before now

  141. Hankflorida December 9th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Luis and GF, with the team as it is now, do you think that they can go down to the wire as they did this year fighting for the 2nd Wildcard? If not, what have the other Wildcard teams done to improve their chances next year so the Yankees would not be able to be competitive?

  142. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    blake December 9th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
    Jeter not moving when he was 28 is a little different than 39 though

    ——————-

    True but the overall point is he’s not open to moving off SS.

  143. RhapsodyInBlue December 9th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Chicken,

    It was a long time ago, 20 years ago. One of the Mexican restaurants I ate in and enjoyed was on the same street as the Ramada and on the same side about a half mile from i

    All I can tell you about that the Ramada Inn that stayed in was that it had a grain mill directly behind it and a very good Chinese restaurant (take-out) and a subway store directly across the street.

    With the exception of the 2 am wake-up call a good place to stay.

    I remember I had to cross the river on Sunday mornings because I had a small store/ newsstand that carried both the NY Times and WSJ and was the only in the area I knew of.

    And there was a good bar and restaurants over in the stockyards.

    A riverboat with legalized gambling where they would fill you with free drinks then take all take all your money.

    And that the wind blew 24-7.

    Enjoy and stay warm.

  144. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Just getting the 2nd WC should never be a satisfactory goal for a Yankee Team.

  145. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
    Jeter was 29 when A-rod joined the Yankees. He’s now entering his age 40 season .. big difference.

    ———————–

    Very big difference but Jeter is the same guy when ppl asked him yrs ago about moving off SS and he looked at them as if they were aliens from another planet.

  146. luis December 9th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Howler,

    I would even gift wrap Dante and carry him all the way to Detroit :lol:

  147. ron December 9th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    I agree,the Yankees can’t stop spending now,but don’t wan’t a 250 million payroll.
    Trim some of the fat by trading a catcher,gardner,ichiro,nunez,knocking maybe 15,or so million off,allowing us to absorb a 15 million dollar pitcher.
    It is the smaller players that every championship team needs,like drew,infante,etc,,
    I’d pick one position to upgrade from 3b,2b because you don’t wan’t kennedy,ryan playing 3b,2b at the same time.
    I’d upgrade both,if possible.We also need one real good pitcher,and that is the most important thing.The question is,do we trade gardner,plus prospects for one,or just sign,one? I think it would be a huge mistake to not get a top shelf pitcher,a closer,and a lefty for the pen,and either a 2b,or 3b.Unfortunately,we need to spend about another,40 million,wich will have payroll at 223,then minus gardner,ichiro,nunez,and maybe the most expensive backup catcher.So about a 206 million payroll,wich is not that bad,considering.17,or so million over,so an 8.5 million lt hit.
    Easy,peasy.

  148. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    My biggest concern right now is making sure we secure a really good mid-rotation starter.

  149. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Followed closely by the need for another infielder.

  150. luis December 9th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Hank,

    Yes, they might…But this would be mediocre IMO… You either spend to become a force or you keep all the draft picks and suck next season to get even more and better talent… For me, this is the worst of all worlds… I don’t want a middle of the pack team… I want a serious contender for years to come

  151. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Ron-

    Even if they sit at 225 that’s still easy peasy.

  152. Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Luis and GF, with the team as it is now, do you think that they can go down to the wire as they did this year fighting for the 2nd Wildcard? If not, what have the other Wildcard teams done to improve their chances next year so the Yankees would not be able to be competitive?

    Well as luis already explained, the Yankees are an 84 win team as currently constituted. Do you think that is enough for the playoffs? Sure the Yanks will compete for a wild card but ultimately they probably wouldn’t get in. There is obviously some variance to the 84 number but nothing you can bank on.

    Even without looking at projections just look at each team. Right now on paper the Red Sox, A’s, Tigers, Rangers and Rays all look like better teams than the Yankees. The Indians, Orioles, Angels and Royals look like low 80 win teams that could be right around the Yankees.

    The Yankees need to add another significant position player (2B or 3B) and at least one more legitimately good starting pitcher.

  153. chicken_stanley December 9th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    RIB – I’m staying at a Hilton Garden Inn on the banks of the Missouri… if you ever come back, a nice place to stay (complete with riverboat gambling :) )

    As far as staying warm, I think that’s a pipe dream… I believe the high today was 10. :)

    Thanks for responding

  154. Howler December 9th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    You’re also going to be adding payroll as the year progresses too.

  155. Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Very big difference but Jeter is the same guy when ppl asked him yrs ago about moving off SS and he looked at them as if they were aliens from another planet.

    The team is bigger than any individual. Jeter’s pride means very little next to the success of the team. In other words I don’t give a crap what position he wants to play.

  156. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Luis-

    No offense meant but why don’t you just wait until you see the finished product ?

    :)

  157. Howler December 9th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    not a lot gets done at the Winter meetings anyway…it’s usually Hi how are you, how’s the wife and kids..lets get drunk…play with the minds of the reporters..talk about some possible future trades, and perhaps do some minor work. Maybe sign a free agent.

  158. Against All Odds December 9th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Patrick December 9th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
    Very big difference but Jeter is the same guy when ppl asked him yrs ago about moving off SS and he looked at them as if they were aliens from another planet.

    The team is bigger than any individual. Jeter’s pride means very little next to the success of the team. In other words I don’t give a crap what position he wants to play.

    —-

    We all agree but his pride is going to get in the way.

  159. Bret The Hitman December 9th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Trumbo, like Headley, can play 3B (not well), 1B and back up RF. The price tags are drastically different though I would imagine. Padres definitely want someone like Nova.

  160. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 9th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Does Jerome Williams make sense for the Yankees. Heard an a.l. ear team made an offer.

  161. Giuseppe Franco December 9th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    GF-

    Once they haven’t reset the tax the rest is fairly academic in my mind.

    Just a guess but I figure they can go to roughly 225.

    That way they still will have some headroom.

    If they build this Team out correctly Hal will make a mint.

    —–

    Hal should do whatever it takes to make sure this team is in the postseason so there’s still a lot to do to make that happen.

    Otherwise, Yankee Stadium in October 2014 will look like another episode of “Life After People.”

  162. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    GF-

    “Hal should do whatever it takes to make sure this team is in the postseason so there’s still a lot to do to make that happen.”

    And IMO he will.

    ;)

  163. MTU December 9th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    chicken alert ——–>

  164. luis December 9th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    Patrick,

    Good post… Although I think as currently constructed they can make the PS, here is why:

    1) CC’s WAR was 0,3, so if he bounces back to a 2012 kind of production ( 3,5 WAR ), you have a 87 wins team.

    2)Ivan Nova WAR was 3,6… I think he will only get better, so I could expect a 5 WAR season… That’s 2 more wins, so you are in the 89-90 record… But everything has to break right… Kuroda doesn’t take a huge step down, Ellsbury plays the whole season, Beltran keeps his production at the same level and Soriano as well… I wouldn’t count on it… So right now, this team is more a pretender than a contender

  165. Giuseppe Franco December 9th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Hankflorida December 9th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Luis and GF, with the team as it is now, do you think that they can go down to the wire as they did this year fighting for the 2nd Wildcard? If not, what have the other Wildcard teams done to improve their chances next year so the Yankees would not be able to be competitive?

    —-

    I think right now they’d have to have a lot of luck on their side to be in the race down to the wire.

    Luis, Jerk, blake, and others are more stat guys than me but this team really had no business finishing where they did and now Cano, Mo, and 2 starting pitchers are gone.

    Yes, McCann, Beltran, and Ellsbury are in the fold but I do worry about the durability of Beltran and Ellsbury. Not to mention Jeter and Teixiera coming off injuries. There was no such concern with Cano.

    Obviously, we have a lot of time left before Opening Day so things could look very different by then. But, right now, I don’t think this is a playoff team as currently constructed.

  166. mick December 9th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Indeed…I was making the very same argument the other day with mick. This is not a playoff team right now because they have too many holes. In fact, even with their new toys, this team is worse than they were in Sept.

    Shockingly, he disagreed.

    Everything they’ve done thus far is window dressing if they don’t stay aggressive and address their other holes too.
    ==============
    GF

    From your use of the word “shockingly” I sense a degree of sarcasm which is fine but if you take a positive outlook you might agree that you are worrying wrongly that they will not pursue the path they are already on to improve this team by slashing thru the 189 mark.

    Their hitting has improved 100% even with the loss of Cano and they look so, so much better than last year’s hurt version of a team, with definitely more to come.

    The pitching is questionable as CC and Kuroda looked shot and Nova is always up and down and we don’t know who the 4th starter is yet.

    That might be the ultimate question mark as we know that pitching is the key to the Kingdom.

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