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Day 2 of the Winter Meetings gets started in Orlando

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Day 2 has to be more exciting than Day 1, right?

Granted, Joe Torre was elected to the Hall of Fame yesterday, and that was a pretty great moment for the Yankees. But we basically knew that was coming, and let’s face it, no one — except Torre, maybe — comes to the Winter Meetings wrapped up in Hall of Fame announcements. Trades! Signings! Rumors! That’s what the Winter Meetings are all about, and that stuff was pretty limited yesterday (especially compared to last week).

But here are five things we know about today…

1. Brian Cashman is here already. He was a late arrival yesterday, which isn’t all that unusual and probably didn’t hinder any sort of negotiation, but it might have left the Yankees a little quieter than usual through most of the day. Maybe having the GM in town will spark something interesting.

2. Curtis Granderson will be here too. It’s not really a Yankees story any more, but Granderson was a pretty key part of their plans for the past four years, and he’s now agreed to a four-year deal with the Mets. He’ll be introduced during a Winter Meetings press conference today. The Yankees originally traded for him during the 2009 Winter Meetings.

3. Masahiro Tanaka might gain some clarity today or tomorrow. Right now, it seems everyone keeps hearing different theories about whether Tanaka will be posted, but our friend Jeff Passan reports that the president of the Rakuten Golden Eagles is expected to be at the Winter Meetings today, which might lead to some concrete answers about whether Tanaka will be available. A decision will change the pitching market significantly one way or the other.

4. Joe Girardi will talk today. Each Major League manager meets with the media at least once during the Winter Meetings, and Girardi is scheduled for his official session this afternoon. Breaking significant news might be doubtful, but this will be the first he’s spoken since the Jacoby Ellsbury, Hiroki Kuroda and Kelly Johnson deals were official, and since the Carlos Beltran deal came together.

5. Robinson Cano is still heading to Seattle, Alex Rodriguez is still facing a possible suspension, the rotation is still one man short, and the bullpen still lacks depth. In other words, there’s still work to do, and the Yankees have proven they’re ready to make some moves. Maybe they’ll make one today.

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432 Responses to “Day 2 of the Winter Meetings gets started in Orlando”

  1. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Masterson, Bailey, Anderson – all good targets imo.

  2. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    And Pablo Sandoval looks great right now.

  3. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    I wonder what price on masterson would be

  4. DaSaint007 December 10th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Might see some movement today. Hopefully they’ll try to add a lefty to the rotation and one for the pen.

  5. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: One GM says #Dodgers in favorable position to land #Rays’ Price. His theory: #Mariners will say “no” on Walker, #DBacks “no” on Bradley.

    To me it’s somewhat foolish for the Mariners to refuse to include walker if they can get price…..when you spend 240 on a 31 year old 2B then the time is now…..what are the odds Walker is ever as good as price ?

  6. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    I wonder what price on masterson would be

    =========================

    About the same as the price on Bailey.

  7. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    About the same as the price on Bailey.”

    Yea but the matchup and requirements could be different

  8. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Yea but the matchup and requirements could be different

    =======================

    Yeah, definitely. Tribe would have no use for Gardner, so you’re talking about a different centerpiece.

  9. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    @JeffPassan: Sources: Teams believe A’s have cooled on idea of trading Brett Anderson this week. May still go eventually. Just not close to a guarantee

    =================================

    Trying to move him in July probably makes more sense for the A’s. Anderson pitched 80 innings over the past 2 seasons. 160 over the past 3. I think he’d need to demonstrate the ability to go out there every 5 days for awhile to boost his value, which right now seems pretty low.

  10. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    =======================

    Yeah, definitely. Tribe would have no use for Gardner, so you’re talking about a different centerpiece.”

    Right and I don’t know that the yanks have that centerpiece

  11. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    If the yanks could somehow do a prospect deal for Masterson then they’d still have Gardner to use as a chip for an infielder or to just keep

  12. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    I know he’s still hurt but if Ned Colletti called and said look if you take 80% of his contract and give us Sanchez then you can have kemp. Do you do it? Risky yes….but if he got healthy then the yanks lineup is a monster

  13. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    If the yanks could somehow do a prospect deal for Masterson then they’d still have Gardner to use as a chip for an infielder or to just keep

    =============================

    Maybe. I suppose a C prospect in particular may be of interest to them since Santana is clearly not an everyday type.

  14. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Blake
    I do that deal, but it won’t happen.

  15. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    @Joelsherman1: ICYMI http://t.co/nLlI9anJYE column 1 #Yankees have a new OF which means their OF prospects are trade bait. Do they have value? Plus Not

    This is pretty misleading…..Ellsbury is the only guy they have beyond 2014 that we are sure can play out there…..Soriano and Gardner are gone after 2014 and Beltran is 37 and will probably be DHing a lot in the future

  16. DaSaint007 December 10th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    I know he’s still hurt but if Ned Colletti called and said look if you take 80% of his contract and give us Sanchez then you can have kemp. Do you do it? Risky yes….but if he got healthy then the yanks lineup is a monster
    ————————–

    Agreed, but that’s a very big IF.

  17. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Jordan Bastian ?@MLBastian 1m

    Wouldn’t overreact to reports that Indians are willing to listen to trade proposals for Masterson. It’s due diligence on Cleveland’s part.

    ========================

    I suspect the Tribe would have to be wowed.

  18. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Would you do Murphy and maybe another guy for Masterson?

  19. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Looking for the Yankees to get a left handed reliever-Boone, Howell or reconstructed O’Flaherty.

  20. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    With Kemp you have to consider that if he was healthy he probably wouldn’t even be available

  21. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Good morning guys and gals.

    Tanaka should be posted soon.

  22. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    @jonmorosi: Source: Rajai Davis close to signing 2-year contract with Tigers. @Foxsports1

  23. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Tribe wants a closer, so it would have to be DRob and maybe other for Masterson.

    Then the Yankees would need to sign Balfour, Rodney

    Not excited about doing that deal. Would want a better starter if I’m giving up DRob.

  24. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Blake still has his Kemp Mancrush working.

    :)

  25. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Blake

    Davis must have changed his mind. Last night it was the Twins, I believe.

  26. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    YT-

    Agreed.

  27. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    @jonmorosi: Important takeaway for market at large: Tigers are less likely to land Shin-Soo Choo, with Rajai Davis’ imminent arrival.

  28. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Would you do Murphy and maybe another guy for Masterson?

    ==============================

    Maybe, yeah.

  29. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    MTU says:
    December 10, 2013 at 8:50 am
    Blake still has his Kemp Mancrush working.

    It’s those baby blues and ability to hit home runs

  30. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Choo is either going to the Snakes or Rangers IMO.

  31. blake December 10th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    MTU says:
    December 10, 2013 at 8:53 am
    Choo is either going to the Snakes or Rangers IMO.

    Or mystery team!

  32. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Blake-

    Really. Who wouldn’t want a healthy Kemp ?

    ;)

  33. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Blake-

    Trouble is he is still in a walking boot.

    His medicals are a mess according to Steve.

  34. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    I need a good replacement for GGBG so we can trade him for Bailey.

    I’m making the Reds an offer they can’t refuse.

    ;)

  35. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Blake-

    Nah. They both want him bad.

  36. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    If Choo goes to the DBacks, they will have Ross, Eaton, Pollock, Parra , one of which they can include in a trade for a front line starter.

    They are loaded with young talent

  37. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Bailey and/or Tanaka are my primary targets.

    I’d like to get Davidson or Olt for 3b.

  38. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    MTU says:
    December 10, 2013 at 8:55 am
    Blake-

    Trouble is he is still in a walking boot.

    His medicals are a mess according to Steve.

    He’s not going to be ready for ST they say…..but I like to gamble

  39. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    @jonmorosi: Important takeaway for market at large: Tigers are less likely to land Shin-Soo Choo, with Rajai Davis’ imminent arrival.

    ==================================

    He could be right about this, but I’m not sure Davis is an everyday guy at this point. Terrible against RHP’s. Great platoon partner for Choo.

  40. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    YT-

    Towers said they have the pieces to get anyone that’s out there.

    That includes Price or Sale.

    I believe him.

    ;)

  41. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    A trade with Dbacks seems to make sense…..Aaron hill would be nice

  42. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    “He could be right about this, but I’m not sure Davis is an everyday guy at this point. Terrible against RHP’s. Great platoon partner for Choo.”

    Bingo

  43. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    @Buster_ESPN: The Phillies have indicated to other teams they are ready and willing to talk about Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels in trades.

    Uhm …..either please

  44. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Blake-

    I agree on the swap of Walker for Price.

    Walker has a big arm but has proven nothing at the ML level.

    Price is a certified left-handed Ace.

    You have to make that deal.

    Especially in light of Cano.

  45. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Choo and Davis platoon?
    No one will platoon with Choo for the money he wants.

  46. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    MTU,
    Give me two years of certain ace over 6 years of might be ace any day

  47. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    @Buster_ESPN: The Phillies have indicated to other teams they are ready and willing to talk about Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels in trades.

    Uhm …..either please
    ——————–

    I don’t understand the Phillies. You sign older veterans (Byrd and Ruiz) which indicates that you’re trying to contend; but are then willing to break up your rotation which indicates that you want to rebuild.

    Remember when ripping Cashman, it could be worse – we could have Amaro.

  48. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Lee, Kuroda, Sabathia, nova, Tanaka

  49. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Who does understand the phillies…..they are crazy….take advantage of it

  50. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    If Choo goes to the DBacks, they will have Ross, Eaton, Pollock, Parra , one of which they can include in a trade for a front line starter.

    They are loaded with young talent
    —————

    Don’t forget possibly Trumbo as well.

  51. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Lee will never be a Yankee.

  52. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Choo and Davis platoon?
    No one will platoon with Choo for the money he wants.

    ================================

    Probably not, but Davis is also a terrific 4th OF to have and even if it wasn’t a strict platoon, he could fill in for Choo against extraordinarily tough lefties, say Chris Sale, and also fill in at all 3 OF spots.

  53. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Cashman , like the Yankees , have tough jobs.
    With anything short of a WS title they are considered a failure.
    No other team faces that challenge.
    It’s not exactly happy-go-lucky in NY.
    And the cynics make it worse.
    If Boston had done what we have so far this OS they would have been crowned by now…

  54. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Get Hamels!

  55. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Yankees could use another lefty starter for balance. DBacks have Corbin, Miley, Skaggs.

    Anyone-

    Could the Yankees be a match to acquire one of them and either Aaron Hill or Chris Owings?
    Would you include Nova, if Towers targets him?

  56. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    I think trading Nova creates too if a hole in the rotation unless you’re really getting a star back

  57. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Who does understand the phillies…..they are crazy….take advantage of it
    —————

    Clearly.

    My preference is Hamels over Lee…and if they could fleece him into Hamels and DBrown…alls the better.

  58. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Blake-

    Hamels is owed 22.5 mil per for a while.

    I don’t really think he is available.

    My guess is they would have to be absolutely wowed to move him.

    We are not in wow territory w what we have.

    I very much doubt he would be a salary dump.

    ;)

  59. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Which lefty starter would you want from the DBacks if you trade Nova, and then Blake we can expand the deal?

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 10th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Indians crazy to let Masterson go anywhere. Crazy I tell you!

    Much more important, however –

    IT’S SNOWING IN RHODY!!!!

    You can tell it means it too. Think I’ll go and take a ride. Probably not a lot of traffic right now and there’s something about the play of the snow against the winter landscape that really enraptures me. Hard to explain I guess.

  61. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Who might be interested in Hamels would be the Snakes.

    Amazing if there would be 3 lefty Aces on the market in the same season.

    :shock:

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 10th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    And you don’t let Nova go anywhere unless you get Nova +++ back – that means a starter, and I mean age included! He reinvented himself when he came back last season.

  63. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Nova for Masterston?
    Fantasy league trade.
    I’d do it…

  64. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Lee is more interesting to me as he’s only a 2 year comittment and he’s still very good. I think they may just look to dump his salary whereas they’d probably want players in return for Hamels. If the yanks could get lee then they should…..he’d make their rotation much much better

  65. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    YT-

    Towers is looking to add a P not subtract.

    He wants an ace for the rotation.

    I’m quite sure he’ll land one now w at least 3 good ones on the market.

  66. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    mick says:
    December 10, 2013 at 9:16 am
    Nova for Masterston?
    Fantasy league trade.
    I’d do it…

    How does it help the Yankees to trade 4 years of Nova for 1 of masterson

  67. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Yankees aren’t getting Lee.

  68. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Yankee Trader says:
    December 10, 2013 at 9:13 am
    Which lefty starter would you want from the DBacks if you trade Nova, and then Blake we can expand the deal?

    Skaggs of course but they won’t do that I don’t think…..I don’t see the yanks dealing nova really…..they have 2 holes in the rotation already

  69. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    So MTU and Blake

    If the Yankees could get lefty starter Corbin and either Chris Owings or Aaron Hill in a deal for Nova plus Murphy or Cervelli, and another minor league pitcher, would you do that deal?

  70. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    If the Yankees could get lefty starter Corbin and either Chris Owings or Aaron Hill in a deal for Nova plus Murphy or Cervelli, and another minor league pitcher, would you do that deal?”

    I might but I don’t think the Dbacks would do that….Corbin is good

  71. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Who the Yankees should be after would be guys like Tanaka and Bailey.

    Young arms w big upside.

    Lee only if they are desperate.

    He’s old and he’s expensive.

    And he’s a frickin’ headcase to boot.

    ;)

  72. 4TrainNorth December 10th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    The rotation you start the year with never resembles the one you finish with. Too much uncertainty right now. You put all the pieces in place, but there’s still a good chance we’re patching it together midseason with dumpster-diving and overvalued callups.

  73. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    How does it help the Yankees to trade 4 years of Nova for 1 of masterson
    =============
    I did say fantasy not reality…
    Masterson in his walk year could be awesome here.
    I have no confidence in Nova unless he matures quickly.
    JM would be resigned here.

  74. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: cliff lee and cole hamels are out there on trade market, as buster olney said. further words: phillies wont eat any $.

    Take Lees contract and give them Nunez

  75. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    amaro sees what other teams are demanding for mediocre pitchers and decides he’d like to dabble, but he’s going for a huge takeback. he just wants attention imo.

    cole hammels is one of my favorite pitchers and i’d love to see him on the yankees. but the yankees dont have what amaro will want for him.

    im so sick of cliff lee to the yankees rumors, what’s it been like 5 years of this BS now? by the time he actually ends up in the yankees he’ll be 47.

  76. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    YT-

    In a heartbeat but they would do that.

    That will still leave you short a pitcher.

    And for sure it would have to be someone better than over the hill Hill.

  77. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Nova has 3 more years not 4.

  78. ron December 10th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    makes no sense trading our top prospects for a pitcher,unless the pitcher is guaranteed to be better than the fa pitchers out there.The one thing we have managed to do, for years,is keep our prospects,so if we traded gardner,and some top prospects,it should be for a difference maker.If not,just sign Garza/jimenes,etc…
    Spending money while keeping prospects,is the best of both worlds.What got us into trouble in the down years was,making bad trades.
    If we trade gardner,and prospects,it has to be for a top shelf pitcher.
    I’d even consider trading Robertson,with gardner,plus prospects.

  79. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    @BillShaikin: #Dodgers wanted Cliff Lee in ’11, could be better fit than David Price (fewer prospects, take $). Lee’s deal has 2 yrs + opt at $62.5m.

    Could certainly see LA doing that instead of orice and keeping their prospects

  80. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    ed: wouldn’t. sorry.

  81. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    I’m trying to think out of the box to solve the Yankees at 2nd or third, or a future SS, plus balancing the rotation with another lefty.

    Otherwise I fear, Mark Ellis will be our next oldster second baseman.

  82. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    mick says:
    December 10, 2013 at 9:22 am
    Nova has 3 more years not 4.

    Still ….point stands

  83. ron December 10th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    It will be an absolute waste to sign ellsbury,beltran,mccann,and more,without getting an elite pitcher.

  84. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Blake

    I heard the Dodgers don’t have any worthwhile prospects.

  85. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Good.

    The Dodgers can have him.

    I hope Lee’s wife enjoys Rodeo drive.

    Pretty hard to hunt in the Beverly hills.

    He’s more like the Beverly Hillbilly.

    :)

  86. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    @JeffPassan: One thing is unequivocal: Masahiro Tanaka wants to come to MLB. So it will be a matter of whether Rakuten fulfills his wishes and gets $20M.

    Of course he does….he’s probably gonna get a 100 million dollar deal

  87. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Dodgers Farm system looks like the bottom of an empty barrel.

    :)

  88. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Yankee Trader says:
    December 10, 2013 at 9:24 am
    Blake

    I heard the Dodgers don’t have any worthwhile prospects.”

    No they do…..they don’t have a Walker of Bradley but they have some good guys

  89. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    I would gamble on Masterson over Nova if money is the difference.
    The extra 2 years and the gamble we would resign JM wouldn’t stop me.
    JM is an ace.

  90. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    MTU says:
    December 10, 2013 at 9:26 am
    Dodgers Farm system looks like the bottom of an empty barrel.

    It’s better than the Yankees

  91. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    “I heard the Dodgers don’t have any worthwhile prospects.”
    =======================================================
    joel sherman pretty much said the same thing about the yankees this morning.

  92. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Dodgers Farm system looks like the bottom of an empty barrel.
    =================
    They don’t know what they are doing.

  93. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Blake-

    They will honor his request.

    They’ll have little choice.

    That is why I said he should be posted soon because anyone w an ounce of common sense
    would know he wants to come here right now.

    I don’t see anyone in Japan offering him 100 mil. Do you ?

    Think he is not drooling over that possibility.

    :)

  94. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Who will be the Yankees 2nd baseman on opening day?

    Infante is now wanting four overpriced years.

  95. 4TrainNorth December 10th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Not totally sold on Masterson, but obvs the Yankess have to love the low HR-allowed totals.

  96. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    I get the feeling Tanaka wants to be a Yankee tho I have nothing to gon.
    Doubt he is going for the last dollar like Cano.

  97. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Invite Brian Roberts for MiL/ST invite.

  98. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Trader,

    Brandon Phillips.

  99. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    No it is not Blake.

    They have Peterson and that’s about it.

    You are really under rating our system.

    We have some absolutely terrific young arms down there.

    Several at AAA and more behind them.

    Tons of good relievers. Several good young Catchers.

    And 4 toolsy young OF prospects.

    They can’ touch our Farm.

    That is why they buy everything in sight.

  100. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    why would Cleveland trade Masterson?
    because he is in a contract year?

    He is not going to command as much as Ubaldo.

  101. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    I’ve cooked on infante a little…..I think his market is getting way inflated. He’s a good player but he’s never been as good in his career as 2013. I like him at the 2/20ish range…..beyond that Id just sign Drew or look elsewhere

  102. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Infante is now wanting four overpriced years.
    ==============
    No doubt this is directed at the Yankees.
    His market value should come down.

  103. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Do the Dodgers have some potential good arms down in the minors. That is one area where the Yankees “might” have some strength if they can get them all healthy.

  104. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    We are waiting on some guys to finish their development.

    They have little to look for ward too (The Dodgers).

    One good season out of our Farm and we will move up to the top 5.

  105. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    I’ve cooked on infante a little…..
    =================
    Did he taste well with BBQ sauce?

  106. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    The Dodgers have Zach Lee, who is “supposably” major league ready

  107. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Dodgers Farm system looks like the bottom of an empty barrel.

    =======================

    Not deep, but they have two guys that are probably rated higher than any Yankees prospect, with the possible exception of Sanchez.

  108. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    People are under rating our System.

    There is a LOT of talent down there.

    Watch what happens if we get a little better luck out of it this season.

    No reason we can’t. We’re overdue in that department.

    ;)

  109. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Bret

    I don’t see four years and 50M of Phillips added. I think the last big ticket item will be Tanaka, if posted.

  110. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    What about Jagiello and the lefty pitcher we just drafted MTU?

  111. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    hamel’s contract is actually pretty good. he’s 29 and it has 5 years $112.5M left on it with a $20M club option for 2019 ($5m buyout)

    6 straight seasons of 30+ starts but the innings aren’t crazy high.

    the contract is not a problem.

  112. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    I think trading Nova creates too if a hole in the rotation unless you’re really getting a star back
    ———————-

    You can only deal Nova if you:
    a) Know you’re getting both Bailey and Tanaka
    b) believe that what you saw from Nova in the second half of last season was a fraud and would be comfortable replacing him with someone like Garza or Ubaldo

  113. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    mick says:
    December 10, 2013 at 9:34 am
    I’ve cooked on infante a little…..
    =================
    Did he taste well with BBQ sauce?

    Lol “cooled”

  114. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    So what ?

    2 guys do not make a Farm system.

    We have both depth and talent down there.

    Especially in the arms dep’t.

    Which by the way, happens to be gold.

    ;)

  115. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    What about Jagiello and the lefty pitcher we just drafted MTU?
    ————–

    You can’t trade drafted players until 1 year after they sign.

  116. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    I don’t think we’d beat out other teams for Hamels.

  117. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    In my opinion, talking about trading Nova is a total waste of time. They love this guy, imo.

  118. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Nothing in all of baseball is worth more than a top quality cost-controlled young starter.

    Nothing.

    Period. End of story.

    We have the potential to have several of them.

    ;)

  119. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    If the Mariners balk on Price because they don’t want to include Walker then I don’t know what they’re thinking.

    You don’t go balls to the wall to get Cano and then say “whoa whoa whoa, we have to build for the future.”

    You get Cano then you still need to improve your offense but if you can set the top of your rotation with Hernandez, Price and Iwakuma you darn well better do it.

  120. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Mick-

    Both excellent.

    Just adds.

  121. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    You can’t trade drafted players until 1 year after they sign.
    ======================
    Would not do it. They are more depth down below.

  122. Tackelberry December 10th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Gardner+Murphy for Bailey.

    Sign Tanaka. Get it done Cashboy!

  123. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Nothing in all of baseball is worth more than a top quality cost-controlled young starter.
    =============
    mtu

    even tho he is a FA next year I dont think they would trade Masterson for Nova.

  124. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Forget Infante.

    Too greedy.

    let’s move on.

    He isn’t the only fish in the sea.

  125. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    If the Mariners balk on Price because they don’t want to include Walker then I don’t know what they’re thinking”

    Dumb….they just signed Cano to a 240 million dollar deal at age 31. The time is now for them whole he’s still elite and while Felix is still elite.

    You get price and you have 2 absolute studs in the rotation and you can add around cano and you have a chance.

    2 years of Price > walker for me and where the mariners are now

  126. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Forget Infante.
    ========
    But you were so high on him.

  127. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Tackelberry says:
    December 10, 2013 at 9:41 am
    Gardner+Murphy for Bailey.

    Sign Tanaka. Get it done Cashboy!

    Sounds good but we’d still need a 2b and 3b ….rotation would be sweet though.

    Honestly if money doesn’t matter then Id rather just take Lee off Phillies hands and keep Gardner or trade him for something else

  128. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Mick-

    I wouldn’t trade Nova for Masterson.

    Masterson is a 2 pitch Pitcher.

    Nova has 4 solid offerings.

    I only trade him for a top quality young bat.

    An Upton type.

    But hey, that is just my evaluation.

  129. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    I think Infantes market has inflated to the point where it would be better to just sign Drew

  130. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Hal might just be too close to 189 to let it go.
    Big ticket Tanaka would put him over the top but he won’t let Infante hold him up.

  131. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Mick-

    He’s too greedy now.

    He’s priced himself out.

    Sure. If he comes back to earth but we need to move on in the meantime.

    there are other angles to play.

    There always are.

    Billiards is a fun game.

    :)

  132. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Glad to see you come around MTU.

  133. Benny Blanco December 10th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Do we want Lee, Hamels, or Tanaka?

  134. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    When Tanaka gets posted the Yankees will be all over him.

    Like white on rice, so to speak.

    :)

  135. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Unless it is a money dump, we simply don’t have the prospects to trade for a Lee or a Hamels. other team would want them, have money and better trade bait.

    Unfortunately, we can only trade for, at most, pieces and not stars, in my view. Gardner is not remotely as much as others could give.

    I see that the Sox are up against the salary cap. Good.

  136. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    I am thinking they are going for a blockbuster.
    Phillips, Gardner others, that type of deal…

  137. ron December 10th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Trading nova would be a mistake remembered for a very long time,or could be.
    Cheap,young,good pitchers are worth more than anything.If we trade nova,and he turns into an ace,it will sink us.
    Also,we need pitching,so trading a pitcher is not smart,plus,we can’t keep trading cheap players for 20 million dollar ones.There has to be a balance.
    Gardner,robertson’s value is high,so maybe combining them with one top prospect,gets us something nice.

  138. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Mick-

    His price is ridiculous.

    I might have considered 3 yrs. at a decent AAV but 4.

    No thanks. Have nice day.

    He doesn’t get a payday like that from us.

    Let some other sucker pay it.

    There are other good options. Maybe if there weren’t.

    ;)

  139. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Besides. We have overpaid for enough contracts already.

  140. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Howie Kendrick would be of interest.
    What would they need?

  141. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    let’s do some horse trading instead.

    :)

  142. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Mick-

    I don’t think we have the pieces for that one.

    :(

  143. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Mick-

    The Halos do need pitching though.

    Now that I think about it.

    Doubt Phelps ++ would be enough for Howie.

  144. blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Benny Blanco says:
    December 10, 2013 at 9:48 am
    Do we want Lee, Hamels, or Tanaka?

    Lee AND tanaka !

  145. Tackelberry December 10th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Infante’s price has gone up significantly since we lost Cano. Might be better to go with a guy like Mark Ellis on a 1 year deal or maybe Juan Uribe or Brian Roberts

  146. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    I wonder if Soriano minds being the f/t DH?
    Some guys don’t take well to that.

  147. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Do we want Lee, Hamels, or Tanaka?

    =========================

    Hamels would be best, IMO, but Phillies aren’t dumping salary here. They’re seeing the price of mediocre to bad pitching and testing the market. They’d want a ton for him and I doubt the Yankees have it.

    Tanaka will probably never be anywhere close to as good as Hamels , but will only cost $$$

    Lee is $62.5M for 2 years or $77.5M for 3 and could make a stink on his NTC, as I’m sure the Yankees are one of the 21 teams he’s listed on it.

  148. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    i like robertson alot and i think he’s going to be a good closer.

    that being said, i’d trade robertson for a good piece.

    now that mo is gone we have to live in the real world where there are no guarantees in the closer’s spot.

    robertson is unproven yet his value is probably equal to an experienced closer’s.

    if drob (+) gets you a SP, you have to do that imo.

  149. Tackelberry December 10th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Doubt Phelps ++ would be enough for Howie.

    _____________________________

    Nah. Not even close.

  150. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    I’m thinking it’s easier to keep Johnson at 2b and go for a 3b type.

    An Owings, Olt, Headley.

    Like that.

    Too bad Infante got too greedy.

    :(

  151. mick December 10th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Too bad Infante got too greedy.
    ==================
    His price will come down.
    Who wants him that bad?

  152. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    I am open to moving D-Rob much as I love his stuff.

    GGBG too.

    Depends on what the return is ?

    ;)

  153. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Drob and Phelps for Kendrick?
    Get Balfour.

  154. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Mick-

    If we still have a need by then fine.

    We aren’t waiting around though.

    And tough nuggies on Soriano.

    This is his last season anyway.

    He plays where they tell him to play.

  155. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    if drob (+) gets you a SP, you have to do that imo.

    ==========================

    Being one year from free agency hurts his value. Further, he’s the anchor in that pen right now, and guys being talked about like Balfour and Rodney are not as good as he is. I think he’s another case of a guy more valuable to the Yankees as a Yankees than as trade bait.

  156. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    the phillies hear what the rumors for price are and amaro wants some of that love.

    plus he wants to dump brown like a hot potato and so he needs to stir things up.

  157. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    I wonder about Beltran in RF every day.
    He will get hurt.

  158. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    A Cincy-NY blockbuster would be really nice.

    It might just be possible.

    :)

  159. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    MTU,

    You are overrating our farm system. One player in the top 100. None of our pitching prospects have proven anything yet. Other teams want someone who can help now or within a year. I thought Ramirez could be that guy, but he fatigued or something and they stopped pitching him. Banuelos is a complete unknown. As many have said before me, relievers are somewhat fungible and no one is giving up much for minor league relievers. The Yankees just let go soem that are are about as good as the ones we retained.

    Unless someone loves Gardner, we are going to have to add via the free agent pool.

    Sherman reports that the outfield prospects are all very suspect at this point with little trade value. Really, how can that not be true with the years they all had in 2013?

  160. Yankee Trader December 10th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Blake
    Drew is a SS and Jeter isn’t moving. If I’m Drew, I’d want money to play 3rd and a guarantee I’m the SS when Jeter retires with an opt out.

    I’ve got to go, and this is just my opinion, not based on wanzies or joemans inside knowledge(kidding)or astute intuition, but:
    1. I don’t think the Yankees will find a suitable offer for one year of Gardner for a starting pitcher like Bailey, etc. I think Gardner will not be traded.
    2. I think they’ll focus the money toward Tanaka, and if he’s not posted, use that money on pitching.
    3. The rest of the budget will be used on small ticket signings or trades, because if they sign Tanaka or some other starter at 12-15M or more/year they’ll be over 200M before they have even filled out the rest of the roster.

    until later.

  161. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Being one year from free agency hurts his value. Further, he’s the anchor in that pen right now, and guys being talked about like Balfour and Rodney are not as good as he is. I think he’s another case of a guy more valuable to the Yankees as a Yankees than as trade bait.
    =================
    Drobs value is as a set up man.
    He is unproven as a closer.
    Right now, Balfour is better and has a mean streak.
    Hal has been going for leader types…

  162. Tackelberry December 10th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    mick:

    Ken Rosenthal tweeted that the Orioles are on Balfour. Trying to get a deal done at the Mettings.

  163. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    YT,

    What I have read about the Dodgers is that their best two prospects are 17 and 19 and obviously far away. Sounds somewhat familiar. Maybe they could do something if they added one of their outfielders.

  164. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Hal has been going for leader types

    ==========================

    He just dropped $153M on a guy who couldn’t be further from a “leader type”.

  165. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    can see the O’s on Balfour w/ Johnson gone.
    was at the game in balt when he imploded.
    great game and catch in LF by sori.
    yanks imploded after that w/ gardy injury.
    it was as close as they got..

  166. blake December 10th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    “Drew is a SS and Jeter isn’t moving. If I’m Drew, I’d want money to play 3rd and a guarantee I’m the SS when Jeter retires with an opt out.”

    Drew re-established his value last year…..yes you might have to pay him a little more to get him to be flexibile on position but I think really he’s just out for the biggest deal now. Tell him he may have to move around a little this year but SS is his next year. This is of course if they can’t trade for a SS.

  167. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    He just dropped $153M on a guy who couldn’t be further from a “leader type”.
    ==========
    Ellsbury?
    I think you’re wrong about him.
    He has MVP written all over him and didn’t love being a sock.
    He has a quiet demeanor but is intense.

  168. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Mac-

    No I am not because I am not just looking only at the front of my nose like some of these
    prognosticators.

    Right this second yes. In a year or two more a whole different story possible maybe likely.

    Our talent pool is off the charts in some areas.

    Banuelos, for example, is far from an unknown. He is healthy now. When he is healthy he has top of the rotation potential.

    Do you happen to remember what he did to a healthy Youkilis in ST one year ?

    He made him look like a fool. Youkilis walked away shaking his head.

    I’m not going to debate it with Mac.

    Have whatever opinion you like. I’ll simply watch and wait.

    :)

  169. blake December 10th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    “What I have read about the Dodgers is that their best two prospects are 17 and 19 and obviously far away. Sounds somewhat familiar. Maybe they could do something if they added one of their outfielders.”

    they still have more in the upper levels than the Yanks do though…..the lack of upper level talent in the Yanks system is killing them both for in house options and on the trade market.

  170. blake December 10th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    MLB Trade Rumors ?@mlbtraderumors 42s
    Omar Infante Seeking $8MM+ Per Season http://dlvr.it/4TfLSw #mlb

  171. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Infante at 8m?
    I thought he was asking 14

  172. ron December 10th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Sanchez has some real value,right now,and if packaged with gardner,robertson,phelps,just maybe that gets us something,if not,the only thing you can do is,sign a fa pitcher,and play ball.You can’t make a team trade with you.All you can do is try.

  173. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Drew didn’t want to play 3b for the Yankees last year – I don’t think he wants to play 3b for the Yankees this year.

    If you want to bring in a guy who might start out at 2nd or 3rd and then take over for Derek next year – I still think the best bet is Almedys Diaz. The problem there is that you can’t sign him until February and, after two years off, he’s probably not going to be ready on opening day.

    My suggestion is that you sign Chavez or Reynolds. If you go with Reynolds you still have Brendan Ryan as a late inning defensive replacement. Chavez is better with the glove, but can he play a full season? I don’t know. Maybe you sign both and they split time at third until Diaz is ready to play.

  174. UKYankeesFan December 10th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Is $8m a year really that much for Infante? The issue is surely the length of contract?

  175. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Blake-

    Right now only.

    In a yr. it could be a completely different story.

    We have plenty of upper level talent.

    It just needs to develop further. It likely will.

    You are too pessimistic and being a bit short-sighted.

    I don’t want to make a list because it would be waaaaay too long.

    ;)

  176. blake December 10th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    this Trumbo to the Dbacks stuff makes no sense…..where is he gonna play for them?

  177. Benny Blanco December 10th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Blake,

    If there is a cap on the posting limit for Tanaka then doesn’t that decrease the probability of the yankees attaining him?

    With bailey, lee, and hamels now available ( knowing how the yankees operate) which pitcher makes the most sense for us?

  178. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    I go 3/24 for Omar right now.

  179. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    I figure Infante will command 10 with Piralta’s contract setting the bar…If Yanks are done with big tickets aside from a starting pitcher i can live with a trade for 2b/3b at less dollars… but honestly I think Yanks needs to go full throttle and push this payroll to whatever it is to assemble to a championship team if they aint rebuilding. I don’t mind the AVV just keep deal reasonably short.

  180. blake December 10th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Drew didn’t want to play 3b for the Yankees last year – I don’t think he wants to play 3b for the Yankees this year.”

    no….he wanted to play SS to re-establish his value. He did that already…..

  181. UpState December 10th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    LA Dodgers:

    “…The Dodgers have made their interest in Price known to the Rays, reports Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times. However, Hernandez feels that Price is a “long shot” to end up in Dodger Blue. For one, the Dodgers lack the type of impact, MLB-ready prospects the Rays will covet, as their top chips are teenagers Corey Seager and Julio Urias. Beyond that, dealing names like Seager and Urias would go against their desire to rebuild what has become a depleted farm system…”

    props to MLBTR

    The RAYS are looking at the ‘young’ Dodgers.
    * Joc Pederson
    * Urias
    * and my NYY target — Corey Seager

    (I guess he’s no longer “under the radar……damn !)

  182. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    I go 3/24 for Omar right now.
    ===============
    Yeah. Why would the 4th year spook Hal?

  183. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    If Yanks are already in for 180, then no need stop. it’s equivalent of not calling down 700 dollar bet when the pot is 5k in poker.

  184. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Hal, got to see that river.

  185. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    chavez couldn’t play 3 games in a row (without taking 3 off) when he was here 2 years ago.

    even he said he’s not an everyday player any more.

    and ryan may well be needed at ss and not available to help out at 3b.

    disasterous plan, imo.

  186. UKYankeesFan December 10th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    I go 3/24 for Omar right now.

    ===================

    Ditto.

  187. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Don’t know Mick.

    Maybe they have other possibilities.

    He isn’t the only fish in the sea.

  188. UKYankeesFan December 10th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Even 4 years wouldn’t be terrible – he could revert to a utility type if we found a way to rescue the rest of the infield in that timeframe.

    I’m more concerned looking beyond 2014 – how are we likely to fill SS after Jete, and is there anyway of solving the Arod problem?

  189. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    If I am a good GM I have many irons in the fire at the same time.

    I don’t myself get boxed in on any one player.

  190. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    He just dropped $153M on a guy who couldn’t be further from a “leader type”.

    ————–

    But…but…but

    “He’s gritty”

    “Won’t turn doubles into singles”

    “Was the leader of the Sox”

    “Is the reason the Sox won”

    Things said by various Yankee fans

  191. blake December 10th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    If there is a cap on the posting limit for Tanaka then doesn’t that decrease the probability of the yankees attaining him?”

    Depends….he will go to the highest bidder probably so depends on if they’ll spend it

  192. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    if you sign chavez and youkilis and keep nunez you’d have half of 3b covered….

  193. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Solving the A-Rod problem ?

    Yes. You buy him out after his suspension.

    ;)

  194. blake December 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Infante for 8/24 would be cool….that puts them over 189 though

  195. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    You basically pay him to just go away.

  196. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    .the lack of upper level talent in the Yanks system is killing them both for in house options and on the trade market.

    ——————–

    Same story every few yrs

  197. bbb51 December 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    I would be alright with Johnson full time at 2B, his defense is decent/good and he’ll at least hit some homers at the bottom of the lineup. He could even bounce back to hitting over .250. He’s had some good years.

  198. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Things said by various Yankee fans
    ==============
    Thought I heard some sox fans say that.

  199. 86w183 December 10th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    The Yanks’ next move is bound to be for pitching. They have Johnson/Nunez as a 2B option and will not address 3B until the arbitrator rules on Alex. I keep saying it, but you guys still speculate/fantasize about acquiring a long term 3B solution — aint happening.

    I don’t think Hal will “break the bank” for okay guys, but I do believe he will do so for Tanaka.

  200. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Infante for 8/24 would be cool….that puts them over 189 though
    ====================
    if they get a closer and tanaka or a 4th starter they are over.

  201. UKYankeesFan December 10th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Nonetheless, having not posted here in a while before today, I must say that I actually think the Yanks are having a pretty good offseason so far.

    Pretty gutted about Cano leaving, but think it was the right call given what he got from Seattle – just can’t believe he ended up there really.

    Otherwise, we must have shed like 90-odd million dollars from annual payroll this year and added about 50 in return. Even with a couple more additions, likely the yanks will have shed close to $25m from last year, which could be more if Arod is suspended.

  202. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Tanaka would put them over too.

    Think they’ll want him ?

    Hal has already authorized going over.

    He has given a green light to it.

    Maybe they don’t consider Infante worth it or essential enough.

    If they identify a target that is they will go over w/o hesitation.

    :)

  203. blake December 10th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    @Joelsherman1: #Diamondbacks determined to leave Meetings with Choo or Trumbo. Hear price for Choo is going to be about Crawford: 7-$142M #Rangers also in

    Boy he and Ellsbury both gonna get way more than I thought

  204. UKYankeesFan December 10th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    MTU – if you pay off Arod’s contract, wouldthe luxury tax all go against that year, or is it still spread out over the proposed lifetime of his contract?

  205. 86w183 December 10th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Youkilis should offer to play for the MLB minimum after stealing $ 12 M last year.

  206. blake December 10th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: 1 possible deal on table would send cahill and skaggs to #LAAngels for trumbo

    Towers crazy if he does that

  207. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am
    Things said by various Yankee fans
    ==============
    Thought I heard some sox fans say that.

    ————————-

    Only when they’re drinking too much

  208. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    to buy out arod’s contract, you have to negotiate with arod’s people.

    that might not be possible if arod continues suing everybody. his lawyers seem to have run amok (on arod’s dime) and might not be reigned in too easily. they may convince arod that he’ll get every penny from the yankees without a settlement PLUS money from various lawsuits.

    there also may be insurance claims and suits against doctors and surgeons involved.

    nothign about the arod situation will be easy.

    worst contract in sports and not likely to be surpassed anytime soon.

  209. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    A Farm system’s status can change dramatically from year to year.

    People give up on ours too easily.

    There is a ton of high-end talent down there and with a few lucky breaks it will one day arrive at fruition.

    The fact that it hasn’t yet has no bearing on the future.

    Past performance is not necessarily a predictor of future results.

    Even though most seem absolutely convinced otherwise.

    Take a careful look at the quantity and quality of our talent at AA and AAA.

    You might just change your tune.

    ;)

  210. UKYankeesFan December 10th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    @Joelsherman1: #Diamondbacks determined to leave Meetings with Choo or Trumbo. Hear price for Choo is going to be about Crawford: 7-$142M #Rangers also in

    Boy he and Ellsbury both gonna get way more than I thought

    =======================

    Yeah more so on Choo’s part than Ellsbury’s though

  211. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Maybe they don’t consider Infante worth it or essential enough.
    ===============
    Where is the demand for Infante?
    His price will have to come down .
    He’s not Ellsbury who Hal coveted and overpaid.

  212. UKYankeesFan December 10th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    “worst contract in sports and not likely to be surpassed anytime soon.”

    100% Fact

  213. Kelvin December 10th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    No way I do that if I’m Towers.. Trumbo can flourish with change of scenery, but that is a very hefty price to pay.

  214. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    When you have only seen clouds for a while you get the mistaken notion that the Sun won’t ever reappear.

    ;)

  215. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Ys, Arod aint giving up a red cent imo. the Arod situation is NOT resolving itself after the ruling. worst or best base scenario is 50- 162 game suspension, then you got 3 more years after that. It’s a decision Yanks need to make regardless of 13.

  216. UpState December 10th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    “…Orioles Considered Favorites For Grant Balfour…”

    We passing on Balfour ?

    Damn !!!

  217. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Infante need to be flexible and accept that he might split time between 2B and 3B, maybe some SS when they realize Ryan can’t hit even as well as Nix did.

  218. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    UK-

    I believe it would be spread out. Not sure though.

    JF or someone like him are the experts in those matters.

  219. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    on choo: $20M+ for a guy they’re gonna have to pinch hit for in high leverage situations is insane.

  220. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    I love MTU’s optimism but it’s just so hard to believe the farm will be what we or the Yankees hope until they actually come up and produce.

  221. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    If Choo is out, don’t see them trading Gardner.
    Just not feasible w/ Beltran and Soriano out there every day.

  222. Captain Clutch December 10th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    They should forget about Infante right now. His price went up after Cano signed and they should wait for the price to come down or find someone else. They should definitely sign Balfour and go all out when Tanaka is available. Pitching should be the most important thing right now and they definitely need another good starting pitcher.

  223. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Mick-

    The Yankees aren’t necessarily waiting around for ole Omar.

    They have many transactions to complete and I’m pretty sure they have other options in mind.

    And their budget, though greater than 189, is not unlimited.

    So if he wants to be a part of it he’d better get a move on.

    Rings are pretty hard to come by.

    ;)

  224. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    random thoughts, in this inflated market or rather a new market, I like the moves Marlins made so far. when you a team going nowhere you can afford to take guy who might rebound to keep or trade by mid season.

    going forward, is this going to be the norm, each winter team arm with dollars and competing for limited supply?

    then how vital is developing homegrown players if that is case for teams?

  225. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    AAO-

    Potential can easily lead to actuality.

    Especially when there is so much of it.

    It’s not just optimism. It’s a numbers game.

    :)

  226. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    One thing about the NYY’s. It doesn’t look like they want to get in bidding wars.
    They over paid on Ells for that reason.
    They let Beltran play out.
    I fear for Tanaka for that reason.
    Even Balfour if the O’s want him.

  227. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Mick-

    Choo is not the only fish in the Starkist ocean.

    Broaden your horizons.

    ;)

  228. UKYankeesFan December 10th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    I believe it would be spread out. Not sure though.

    ============

    Shame. Thought that might have been in the Yank’s mind when they were talking about the 189 mandate

  229. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    So if he wants to be a part of it he’d better get a move on.
    =========
    MTU
    Hal is testing him.
    Wants to see if he wants to be a Yankee or is just in it for the money.
    Call it the Yankee Discount

  230. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    MTU

    Could care less about Choo.
    Would go with present OF.

  231. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    They over paid on Ells for that reason.
    ——-
    I think they were in a bidding war with Ms, Ells chose less (yeah seem like an absurd idea) to come to New York.

    That’s gonna the case with Tanaka.

  232. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    mick-

    They have made several overpays.

    As the budget shrinks they have to be more circumspect.

    The guys who signed quickly got some of the best deals.

    Tanaka will be an exception IMO. They want him. But even w him. They may go only so far.

  233. Captain Clutch December 10th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Supposedly the Cubs are going to go all out to sign Tanaka. So even if he is posted it’s not a sure thing that the Yanks will sign him. You figure that the Rangers and maybe Dodgers will also be involved.

  234. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    They were not in a bidding war with the M’s.
    They let him go.
    They preempted any bid war for Ells by making an outrageous offer up front.

  235. UKYankeesFan December 10th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Regarding the optimism about the farm system, I am probably on MTU’s side of the fence in that I think there is definitely some good talent coming through – it just isn’t going to help much next year (unless traded) or the one after.

    Beyond that though, there are some good signs. It only takes one of our catchers to pan out in the next fewof years and they can take the reins from McCann. Add in a young outfielder or infielder breaking through and a pitcher or two making the grade, and suddenly it’s a complete change in the scenery.

    The yankees were so badly hit by injuries and poor form across both major and minor league levels last year, that it is so easy to get down, but there is plenty of hope left yet!

  236. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    @ MTU I understand but still

    http://life.familyeducation.co.....ms_1_H.jpg

    I want Yankee prospects and I want them now lol

  237. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Mick-

    I like the present OF too unless they need GGBG for something else important.

    In that case he is gone in sixty seconds and gets backfilled.

    They NEED a mod-rotation SP, a LOOGY, and either a 2b or 3b.

    Got to get them. At least the 1st 2. Must haves.

  238. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    @25 years or 26 in 14, Tanaka’s age and skillsets basically fits every team’s plan. The question is how much dough each team can pony up and how each evaluate him.

  239. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    I also think McCann, Ells and Beltran WANTED to play here.
    Now , isn’t that refreshing.
    Hal wants more of that.

  240. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    I also think McCann, Ells and Beltran WANTED to play here.

    ============================

    Beltran aside, it was $$$$. Always is.

  241. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    someone is going to WAY overpay for tanaka.

  242. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:42 am
    MTU

    Could care less about Choo.

    ——————–

    So you do care ;)

  243. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    They NEED a mod-rotation SP, a LOOGY, and either a 2b or 3b.

    Got to get them. At least the 1st 2. Must haves.
    ======================
    There is NO doubt they will get them MTU.
    They just might not break the bank for them or trade Gardy to get them.

  244. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    AAO-

    Put you pacifier back in.

    That should take care of it.

    :)

  245. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    ATTENTION CHICKEN:

    Snuffaluff@gus getting caught in the censor must have happened without me realizing it.. I remember posting the name before without issue.

    If we change the spelling to Snuffaluphagus we’re good.

  246. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Lohud can’t handle Snuffy? too furry?

  247. UKYankeesFan December 10th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Given that many people have suggested that the guys on the farm aren’t worth much in trade at the moment (due to injury/form/whatever) is there anyone else on other teams’ farms that might be worth buying low on in trade, with a view that they could turn out alright in the future? Especially as we all quip ‘we’ll just throw in X’ when we come up with trade ideas for us?

  248. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:48 am
    AAO-

    Put you pacifier back in.

    That should take care of it.

    :)

    —————–

    I think I just need an afternoon nap and some milk. :D

  249. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    OK mick.

    Understood.

    Let’s just see how it continues to unfold.

    I don’t care how they do it just so long as they do.

    And the parts are quality not re-treads.

    The Pitcher in particular. Most important single item left by far.

    No scrimping allowed there.

    ;)

  250. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    blake December 10th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    @Buster_ESPN: The Phillies have indicated to other teams they are ready and willing to talk about Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels in trades.

    Uhm …..either please

    —————-

    Saw that this morning.. Hamels?!

    Lee I get… but man…

    I guess you can’t blame the Phillies.. they don’t think they’re going to compete this year and are trying to cash in. Whoever gets those guys, it won’t be us. :(

  251. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    AAO-

    I always liked milk and cookies growing up.

    My fave was to put chocolate chip cookies into a glass of milk and eat it with a spoon.

    :)

  252. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Yea stuff like that was fun oh to be a kid again when life was easier.

  253. mick December 10th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    MTU

    Remember that Tanaka is more than a 4th starter so if we don’t get him, a Colon or something like that might have to do.
    Even Arroyo who is a guarantee for 200 inngs.
    Pineda and Phelps could also move up.

    Time for a chicken salad at Wendy’s, should I upgrade? Lots of value there.

  254. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    I might be willing to part Nunie for Lee, but blake may stop me from doing so.

  255. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Amazing factoid :

    There are no less than 3 Ace quality lefty SP available, or rumored to be available, this OS.

    That is just mind-boogling.

    I figure 1 to the Snakes, 1 to either the Dodgers or M’s, and 1 to ?

    Wow.

    ;)

  256. Teddyballgame13 December 10th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Take a gamble on Brian Roberts. I know the guy is damaged goods, but he would cost nothing and when healthy he has a great skill set. Might have some pop in Yankee stadium too.

  257. chicken little December 10th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    the fact that cashman has not been seen or heard for the last couple of days is very interesting. could be nothing, could be something.

  258. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    MTU,

    The AAA had no positional prospectsother than Murphy, no starter prospects and only the only bullpen guy is likely Betances. AA is somewhat better, but not one prospect who hasn’t significantly struggled at that level.

    I wish I saw it, but I just don’t see talent for whom others are going to give up a good player.

    My only thought is Gardner and Murphy for a need.

  259. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    When the off season began, trying to sign Tanaka was a no-brainer… are the Yankees still going to be all in on a guy that will cost them $20 million + a $100 million contract?

  260. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Mick-

    I don’t consider those much more than re-treads. Not settling for them.

    As far as the Wendy’s upgrade goes ?

    It depends on your budget.

    ;)

  261. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    UKYankeesFan December 10th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    s there anyone else on other teams’ farms that might be worth buying low on in trade, with a view that they could turn out alright in the future?

    =================

    *over intercom*

    Jerkface can you please report to the Lohud Blog…Jerkface can you please report to the Lohud Blog

  262. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Mac-

    Listen. I didn’t say for this year.

    I look down the road. Not just in front of my feet.

    Remember. I am a wilderness hiker. That’s the type of perspective I have.

    ;)

  263. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    In my bargain bin I have stashed :

    Grady Sizemore
    Daniel Hudson

    :)

  264. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 10:59 am
    When the off season began, trying to sign Tanaka was a no-brainer… are the Yankees still going to be all in on a guy that will cost them $20 million + a $100 million contract?

    —————–

    Doubt it.

    They would if he was a known quantity.

  265. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 10th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    “im so sick of cliff lee to the yankees rumors, what’s it been like 5 years of this BS now? by the time he actually ends up in the yankees he’ll be 47.”

    Yep.

  266. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Yanks have a 2B in Johnson, which makes Infante a memory. The total $$$ the Yanks are paying Johnson and Ryan does Not = 2 Utility IF’ers vs the $189 Goal. The Yanks current dilemma is whether they should hold back roughly $12 Mill and earmark it on a Tanaka Gambit, or spend the bulk of that $$$ Immediately with the added salary of a trade involving Gardner. If I was the Yanks and Bailey was available, I would Concentrate ALL efforts on that. From everything I am reading, the Yanks have 1 attractive Trade Chip and that is Gardner. Once Gardner is traded, the Yankees are outta stock.

  267. blake December 10th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    @jonmorosi: Indians are open to trade proposals for Asdrubal Cabrera, as well as Justin Masterson, sources tell @Ken_Rosenthal and me. @FOXSports1

  268. Teddyballgame13 December 10th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Anyone have a scouting report on Aledmys Diaz?

  269. Tackelberry December 10th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    how bout Danny Valencia?

  270. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Cashman Not being seen or heard from is Not noteworthy. Last season at these Winter Meetings he had to “phone home” anytime there was something cooking that Might add even $3 Mill to the payroll. He’s been relegated to little more than a babbling head.

  271. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Shame-

    I still think they will be in on him big but the change in the posting system might make a difference.

    More of Tanaka’s money goes towards LT now even though the overall total might be similar.

    Me. I’m trying to look for alternatives. If Bailey is available he certainly would be one.

    He’s only 2 years older and is a stud. Be cheaper too. Don’t know if we have the juice though.

    I’m hoping.

  272. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    DB-

    1000% in accord on Bailey/GGBG thing.

    Should be focused like a laser on that one. Max effort put in.

    :)

  273. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Tanaka might represent a ‘put up or shut up’ moment..

    We have so many holes.. and every year, more open up with no replacements in sight.

  274. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Shame-

    Too pessimistic. There is more hope than you currently see.

    ;)

  275. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    I need a cup of coffee and a donut.

  276. Yes You McCann December 10th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Lee, Hamels available via trade. Eat their contracts, give them whatever prospects they want, starting with Gary Sanchez.

    Rotation of CC, Kuroda, Lee, Hamels, Nova, with Pineda waiting in the wings.

  277. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    MTU,

    I’m in line at Starbucks. I’ll get you a coffee.

  278. blake December 10th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Wonder what Asdrubal would cost

  279. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    A. Cabrera has ability. Again, do we have anything we can give?

  280. blake December 10th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    austinmac says:
    December 10, 2013 at 11:19 am
    MTU,

    I’m in line at Starbucks. I’ll get you a coffee.

    I started one of those pay it forward things at Starbucks yesterday where you pay for the cars drink behind you…..I’m such a good person

  281. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    blake December 10th, 2013 at 11:19 am
    Wonder what Asdrubal would cost

    ———————–

    Have to start with Nova

  282. blake December 10th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    austinmac says:
    December 10, 2013 at 11:20 am
    A. Cabrera has ability. Again, do we have anything we can give?

    I think they’d ask for Murphy or Sanchez plus pitching …..they have Lindor coming

  283. blake December 10th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Would Murphy and Phelps get Asdrubal?

  284. blake December 10th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Asdrubal would be a pretty cool get….

  285. bbb51 December 10th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    George would have already taken Lee off the Phillies’ hands, lol.

    (this is jacksquat; new handle)

  286. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Thanks mac.

    One other request.

    Drop a shot of something strong into it.

    It’s still really cold here.

    Brrrrr !

    Did I mention I hate cold weather.

    :(

  287. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    I just do Not see the absolute need for Asdrubal. We have Ryan as a Plan B at SS. Yankees need to decide just Where, (SP\3B), they are gonna aim that Last Bullet\Gardner.

  288. UnKnown December 10th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Rajai Davis is just going to platoon with Andy Dirks. I would guess the Tigers are out on Choo.

    I really thought they would do more this offseason. Getting ride of Prince’s contract was pretty solid though and finally getting a closer. Definitely favorites still to win the Central.

    Oh and Get Lee!

  289. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    You guys are all over the map w your trades.

    :)

  290. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    You’re like a bunch of horny goats.

    You’ll jump on anything that moves.

    :)

  291. Tackelberry December 10th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    MTU:

    Agree on Bailey. Just wonder what besides Gardner it would take to get it done. No way they’d take Gardner straight up for Bailey

  292. bbb51 December 10th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Keep Gardner, somehow get Panda from SF, play Johnson at 2B, done with offense.

  293. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Take me to a Dr. I just have a fever.

    I find myself agreeing DB a lot today.

    :)

  294. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Tigers are kinda hog tied with wanting to sign Scherzer long term. The Fielder trade said a Ton about them adhering to a payroll figure.

  295. bbb51 December 10th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Ellsbury CF
    Jeter SS
    Beltran RF/DH
    McCann C
    Teixeira 1B
    Soriano RF/DH
    Panda 3B
    Johnson 2B
    Gardner LF

  296. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Then don’t bend over around here MTU…especially after putting a shot in your coffee…

  297. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    No thanks on Cabrera, Nunie can be that kind of offensive player at a bargain price and cost no prospects. The guys OPS 700 LY with negative Dwar, Nunie is about to coming into own at 27!

  298. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    I’m still on board with Pineda making a good contribution this year. I think he’ll be the extra starter we’re currently searching for.

  299. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    tackle-

    I hope they could/would sweeten the pot enough to make it a real possibility.

    We’ll just have to wait and hope it can happen.

    I’d have to believe that there would be serious competition for him.

    They may want a good rental like GGBG though. maybe there aren’t that many CF’er’s
    of his caliber available ?

    We’ll just have to see.

    I certainly have my fingers crossed as I think winding up w Bailey would be a cause for celebration.

    An absolute coup.

    :)

  300. blake December 10th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    December 10, 2013 at 11:26 am
    I just do Not see the absolute need for Asdrubal. We have Ryan as a Plan B at SS. Yankees need to decide just Where, (SP\3B), they are gonna aim that Last Bullet\Gardner.

    Asdrubal can play 3b or even 2B….he wasn’t all that good last year though

  301. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Howler-

    or drop a bar of soap.

    ;)

  302. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    It would be nice, but I’d hope they wouldn’t have to give up too much for him. Gardner and Phelps/Warren perhaps. I don’t think Gardner is going to go in a trade by himself no matter where he ends up if he does.

  303. Tackelberry December 10th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Pineda and Banuelos at some point would be a major bonus for Yanks this year.

  304. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    If you like I just brewed a fresh pot, only worries here is getting bitten by the dog.

  305. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Howler-

    Pineda represents an X factor.

    I do not think you can pencil him in as any kind of certainty this year.

    Improvement would be satisfactory. Staying healthy even better.

    He has/had a big arm.

  306. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    MTU -

    I disagree with your take on A-Rod. I don’t see the Yankees buying him out, not if they believe he can still contribute. If he comes back, and gets re-injured, they’ll let him retire on the “can not play” line, and let the insurance company pay him. I still believe a healthy A-Rod can be a big help to the offense.

  307. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Tackelberry December 10th, 2013 at 11:38 am
    Pineda and Banuelos at some point would be a major bonus for Yanks this year.

    I think you’re going to see them both.

  308. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    tackle-

    They both have the potential to contribute now that they are both healthy for the first time in years.

    Maybe this is the year we hit the jackpot and the machine finally pays out.

    They both are still quite young.

    :)

  309. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    And J-Ram too.

    Don’t sleep on him.

    Fantastic arm. Slider developing to go w the ++ FB and CU.

    Stay healthy Jose.

    :)

  310. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    much higher on Manny B than Pineda in terms of Yankee future. Pineda maybe pitch another 60 inns and get shutdown again.

  311. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    in AAA.

  312. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    giving 3-1 odds on anyone who think Pineda would win more than 5 games in 14 for the yanks.

  313. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Morning Al.

    Hope you are staying warm under your electric blanket.

    I don’t think the Yankees are going to allow A-Rod to ever don PS again.

    He is a complete pain in the keester and a total embarrassment.

    I say get rid of him. Eat the salary.

  314. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    A-rod has burned more bridges than a demolition expert in WW II.

    ;)

  315. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    I’m still looking at a Pineda/Banuelos rotation spot as the year progresses, or if Pineda can hold up Banuelos used as a rest spot for Kuroda.

  316. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    It’s coming MTU…we’re warming up here.

  317. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    To me, the Biggest thing going at the Winter Meetings is the Dodgers floating Kemp. If the Yanks were Not chasing that $189, I would want them to be all over that. There are Scant few players that are capable of doing what Kemp can on both sides of the ball. Older, but a lot like Trout.

  318. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Source: #Nationals balking at moving Espinosa despite int from #Yankees, others. Best defensive SS in org after Desmond. Utility man in ’14.

  319. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    @Buster_ESPN The logic for the CWS in getting Adam Eaton, if it happens, is that they need a CF. The Angels get pitching. The D-Backs could get Trumbo.

    @Buster_ESPN If the Angels could get Hector Santiago and Tyler Skaggs for a deal centered around Trumbo, that would be a GREAT trade.

  320. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    @Buster_ESPN If Trumbo went to Arizona, he would play left field.

  321. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    D Backs getting Trumbo is Mark Reynolds all over again. Towers needs to learn from the D Back’s past. Trumbo belongs in the AL where the DH can shelter him.

  322. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    There is no way the Halos wind up w Skaggs and Santiago for Dumbo.

    If they get that they should head straight to Vegas.

    That is a massive overpay for a very one dimensional ballplayer.

  323. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    ?@ChrisCotillo Heard Boras was spotted having coffee with Bobby Cox and Fredi Gonzalez this morning. Could mean nothing, worth at least noting. #Braves

    The Tigers and Rangers are reportedly out on Choo..

  324. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    I would probably do GGBG for Santiago straight up. Young lefty w potential.

    Definitely for Quintana.

    :)

  325. Patrick December 10th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    The Phillies are weird. They spent money extending Carlos Ruiz and signing Marlon Byrd but now they want to salary dump Hamels/Lee? I would happily take either pitcher, they are both consistently great pitchers. Lee is old but he’s still incredibly good and only signed for 2 years so he might be ideal.

  326. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    MTU, do not underestimate the lure of a power hitter in 13. teams are looking for proven homerun hitter and run producer. of all the skillsets, power is value the most in MLB.

  327. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    I understand Towers being forced by the owner to deal Upton. This infatuation with Trumbo is Dumb. Scioscia working his lineup to avoid Trumbo’s defense, tells you all you need to know.

  328. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Cash-

    I hear you but I am not a fan of Trumbo or his long, looping swing.

    Below avg. fielder in my book.

    Adam Dunn light from the right side w/o the OBP.

    Doesn’t rate 2 good young ballplayers IMO.

  329. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    I would probably do GGBG for Santiago straight up. Young lefty w potential.

    Definitely for Quintana.

    =====================

    Sox wouldn’t do Quintana for Headley. They’re married to him.

    If they end up getting Eaton for Santiago, that’s a good score.

  330. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    We are seeing several teams eyeballing their payroll all the sudden. This stuff about MLB Teams being awash in cash, is for whatever reason grinding to a Sudden Halt. Seattle is the Only team currently throwing $$$ around.

  331. UpState December 10th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Adam Eaton:

    Outside of being a 25yo…what’s the attraction here ???

    Seems like a weak banjo hitter.

  332. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    I would love to be a fly on the wall at the WM.

  333. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Pineda and Banuelos are both X factors. They could be great additions, fade into oblivion or anywhere in between. I have my fingers crossed.

    These meetings have been uneventful so far. I am pulling for Choo to go to the D’Backs and out of the league.

    There are number of players I would move Gardner for.

  334. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    They spent money extending Carlos Ruiz and signing Marlon Byrd but now they want to salary dump Hamels/Lee?

    ==============================

    Don’t think it’s a salary dump at all. Especially not in Hamels’ case. They’re seeing the cost of mediocre (Nolasco) to bad (Hughes) pitching and seeing if the can capitalize on it in the trade market.

  335. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    MTU, i don’t disagree with you assessment, i just think we are back in the early 90s and late 80s again in terms of stats, where 30 homerun hitters are regarded in dif lights again.

  336. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    So far the biggest trade by Cashman was getting 4 quarters for a dollar from Towers so he could buy a Snickers bar.

    Would love to see Cash get Aaron Hill. Trade some prospects.

  337. Patrick December 10th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    River Ave. Blues ?@RiverAveBlues 2m
    hm RT @newsdaymarcus: Randy Levine said Yankees not shopping Gardner.

    Good. There is no reason to shop him, teams will contact the Yankees if they want him.

  338. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    I’m guessing the Yanks are sitting on Reynolds at 3B. Primary target is a SP

  339. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Adam Eaton:

    Outside of being a 25yo…what’s the attraction here ???

    Seems like a weak banjo hitter.

    =====================================

    Good outfielder, solid OBP skills, and 5 seasons from free agency.

  340. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    blake December 10th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: 1 possible deal on table would send cahill and skaggs to #LAAngels for trumbo

    Towers crazy if he does that
    —————-

    You’re talking about a GM who dealt Jups and Chris Johnson for Martin Prado…

  341. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    MTU -

    Time will tell, but, I don’t see the Yankees throwing away that money, which will continue to be counted as payroll.

    If there is a buyout, it will come as a request of A-Rod, because he no longer wishes to play, but, if I’m A-Rod, the only way I walk away is with my full salary, and the $6M bonus he’ll most likely reach soon after his return, IMHO.

  342. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    I just do not get Towers having this “thing” for Trumbo. Somebody hose him down.

  343. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    With all the talk about Bailey or Anderson or Jeff Samardzija, it frustrates the heck out me that Cashman won’t sign Joba as a starter. Each of those three have similar sub 500 records, similar age, and recent arm surgeries…yet they are hot topics and not a peep about Joba, Talk about low risk, high reward–he is finally healthy and recovered from TJ surgery.

  344. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Jack Z commenting on Cano negotiations.. says Cano is a great, laid back guy and has a group of professional and laid back people around him.

    Says he’s glad he got a top player and superstar in Cano, and mentions the excitement he’s heard from the young guys that’ll get to play with him.

  345. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    When someone is “bought out”, they do Not get every single penny remaining on their contract. That’s the point of buying someone out.

  346. blake December 10th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    @Buster_ESPN If Trumbo went to Arizona, he would play left field.

    good luck with that….Trumbo is awful out there. Trumbo is basically Mark Reynolds but worse on defense

  347. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Regarding bullpen, besides resigning Logan, there is no one out there who I would have interest in. I feel pretty confident Cash can patch together a bullpen with late spring pickups plus that young arms are already in the system.

  348. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Thanks for the morning giggle Bojo…could use one today.

  349. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Al-

    The sooner A-Rod disappears the better as far I am concerned.

    He’s a part of the past not the future.

    His best days are behind him.

  350. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Al-

    And thinking of him as our everyday 3b makes me want to barf.

  351. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    I believe there is a LOT of locker room stuff with Chamberlain. The mini “blowup” from MO during his chatting with reporters amid Chamberlain making all kinds of racket said a lot.

  352. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Bojo-

    Bailey has never had any major arm problems as far as I know ?

  353. blake December 10th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Joba can’t even throw one inning well at this point…..why would he be able to last 6? That ship sailed long ago…..

  354. Captain Clutch December 10th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Damn all these talks about Trumbo make me think about what the Yanks could have gotten for Cano last summer. Stupid front office.

  355. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Blake –

    If Towers wants Trumbo like power he should put Prado in LF and Davidson at 3b.

  356. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    latest rumor has Joba going to NASA, my source tells me they are enamored with his rocket arm and preternatural intelligence.

  357. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    When someone is “bought out”, they do Not get every single penny remaining on their contract. That’s the point of buying someone out.
    ******************************************
    I understand that, but, why would A-Rod walk away w/o his full salary, as a favor to the Yankees? All he has to do is show up, and they have to pay him, so what’s the sense to A-Rod not to just sit back and collect?

  358. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    ———————

    Someone might give him a shot but it won’t be the Yanks

  359. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    blake December 10th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    @Buster_ESPN If Trumbo went to Arizona, he would play left field.

    good luck with that….Trumbo is awful out there. Trumbo is basically Mark Reynolds but worse on defense

    ———————-

    I was defending Towers last year, saying he was handcuffed by the crazy D’Backs owner.. but he doesn’t seem to be that great at his job.

  360. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Yankees asking for Danny Espinosa but Nats are underwhelmed by the offer = I don’t know what they think they can get for him

  361. blake December 10th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    “If Towers wants Trumbo like power he should put Prado in LF and Davidson at 3b.”

    it’s just strange….maybe he’s ok with him only having one tool really as he might hit 40 homers in Arizona’s park……but he’s really bad in the outfield. To me he’d have more value to a team that needs a 1B and obvioulsy the Dbacks are set there.

  362. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    The question is is Trumbo a gritty player…D’backs only want gritty players.

  363. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Has anyone shown any interest in him right now…or will he end up being a ST invitee on a minor league deal.

  364. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    NASA is going to use Joba as a space monkey.

    :)

  365. Patrick December 10th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Joba has talent but he really needs a change of scenery.

  366. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    When someone is “bought out”, they do Not get every single penny remaining on their contract. That’s the point of buying someone out.

    =====================================

    In this case, the only real point of the buyout would be to make him disappear. One way or another, they’ll pay every dime of that deal minus suspension money and remaining bonuses.

  367. blake December 10th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    “Yankees asking for Danny Espinosa but Nats are underwhelmed by the offer = I don’t know what they think they can get for him”

    well he was pretty good in 2012….sounds like the Nats want to move him but don’t want to sell low……probably won’t be moving him then.

  368. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    I do think this might be the one time Cliff Lee makes the most sense for the Yanks, but if you’re eating his salary isn’t it better to make that investment in Tanaka?

  369. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Mike -

    No doubt his best days are behind him, but, that does not negate his contract.

    Again, why would anyone walk away from that kind of money?

    When a corporation wants a CEO to step down, they leave, with full pay, because of their contract, and IMO, A-Rod would not go without full payment. If I were his agent, I’d tell him all money due me, or play me.

  370. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Yankees asking for Danny Espinosa but Nats are underwhelmed by the offer = I don’t know what they think they can get for him

    =========================

    Why sell low if you’re the Nats? If the offers lead them to believe that he’s more valuable to them as a utility guy than what he gets them in trade (a likely scenario right now), it makes sense to hang on.

  371. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    There are some concerns among scientists that Joba might disengage from his assignments and eat the planet instead.

  372. blake December 10th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    “I do think this might be the one time Cliff Lee makes the most sense for the Yanks, but if you’re eating his salary isn’t it better to make that investment in Tanaka?”

    I think this is Amaro’s yearly….I want somebody to talk about me for a couple of days nonsense…..but Lee would make the Yankees a lot better. I wish they could get him and Tanaka! Probably not happening though……at least not Lee.

  373. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    If the Yankees aren’t trading Gardner, they need to be realistic and understand that puts them out of the trade market for anyone decent.

    Gardner is a fine player, but right now he doesn’t have a defined role. Yes, injuries may occur and create a big hole. But, right now we have existing big holes. If they want to fill them by spending, that is fine with me. But, if they are not spending much for our major needs, Gardner is the only legitimate offer.

    Gosh, I hope Levine is making the call.

  374. blake December 10th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 2m
    Kevin Youkilis starting to draw interest as a “lower-cost” corner infield option.

    lol….like what free?

  375. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    $189 makes hashing Lee or Hamels a waste of time

  376. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    River Ave. Blues ?@RiverAveBlues 2m

    hm RT @newsdaymarcus: Randy Levine said Yankees not shopping Gardner.

    ________

    I take this as a sign that Gardner will be on the team next year. I don’t think teams are out there trying to “wow” the Yanks for Gardner. He has value, sure, but he’s still basically a rental and I doubt he’d be able to return the type of quality pitcher the Yanks want and need.

    Overall, I think this is a good sign. A sign that the Yanks will try to fill their several holes with their checkbook. After all, we know they have no prospects to trade. Sherman’s article was no revelation there. We’ve been saying that for months. Gardner is their only chip and he’s not worth that much.

    A good scenario would be to pull a Montero with Sanchez. Hopefully he’ll hit in AA and get promoted. Hit there, hype his ass to the moon, then trade his ass next off season. I think Murphy is the one to keep, but that decision is months/years away. Still, I like how Murphy has progressed and he seems like he’s got the make-up to make himself into a better than average big leaguer.

  377. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Trading Gardner will be like trying to trade Hughes and Joba at last year’s deadline. Nobody wanted those guys enough to deal anything that would help the Yankees.

  378. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 2m
    Kevin Youkilis starting to draw interest as a “lower-cost” corner infield option.

    lol….like what free?

    ______

    I think that’s an overpay. He owes us.

  379. blake December 10th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    “hm RT @newsdaymarcus: Randy Levine said Yankees not shopping Gardner.”

    they’ve said this the whole time….that they weren’t shopping him but they’d listen when folks call.

  380. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    It depends on what Amaro’s end game is… if he’s really trying to free up money and nothing more, I think a deal makes sense (not just for the Yankees but for a couple of teams).

    I hope we get clarity on when Tanaka might be posted soon… the pitching market is kinda waiting on him.

  381. Yes You McCann December 10th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Not better to make that investment in Tanaka. Lee is only on for 3 more years, with player option. He is an established pitcher, we have no idea what Tanaka will be.

  382. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    People, remember before teh meetings it was generally agreed the yankees didn’t have much to trade? Other than Gardner, that is still true. That is why we keep hearing we don’t match up.

    On to free agents. Or trade Gardner.

  383. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Randy Levine said Yankees not shopping Gardner.

    __________

    In other words, “The crummy offers we’re getting for Gardner assume we’re desperate to unload him. We’re not. We’re fine keeping him.”

  384. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    i thought cameron maybin’s 36 OPS+ was the worst i’d seen for a player people on here actually wanted for the yankees….

    …then i saw danny espinsa’s 2013 OPS+ of……27!

  385. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Al-

    You are probably right.

    I really feel like this whole A-Rod fiasco has taken up way too much of everyone’s time.

    I don’t really care what happens to him at this point.

    My feeling is that I wish he would just disappear so we all can be in peace and concentrate on baseball.

    I won’t be talking about this any more if I can help it.

    Like I said, I really don’t care what happens to him and I hope never to see him in PS again
    because he isn’t a very good player anymore among other reasons.

    ;)

  386. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Levine just being cute. Basically saying we ain’t giving the guy away. I just do Not see shelling out the Beltran $$$, unless Gardner then becomes an expendable asset.

  387. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Perhaps Philly is looking to dump their 2 SP so they can go high on Tanaka.

  388. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    not only will arod not settle, he’ll sue to recover the hr bonuses he doesnt reach.

  389. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    I agree Donnybrook. It’s posturing. The Yankees are getting lowball offers for Gardner. Please, some GM, save us.

  390. luis December 10th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    Ron… You are the voice of reason

    Bojo,

    That ship sailed a while ago…They need a solid mid rotation SP…Joba isn’t at this point

    Cabrera?! At least I would inquire what would it take… Lee, Hamels meh, I rather get Tanaka…Unless the price in prospects is very, very low… I don’t think it will be the case.

    Cashmoney,

    They need the farm to start producing… That’s the future, unless they want to go to a 300 mil payroll eventually…And even then the talent available won’t top notch… Teams are securing their stars for much if not all of their prime years… Those late 30′s stars are going to be very, very rare after PED’s… Not to mention that the right formula is a homegrown core with FA’s and trades complimenting it. But as of right now, they need to continue spending… I think a payroll around 210 or 220 without Arod might be what they need. Yikes, I know.

    The Yankees still need a regular infielder, a mid rotation starter and maybe a BP arm still..Although the latter I think it can be filled internally for the most part… Take in to account that the days of MO are over, so we are going back to earth on that regard

  391. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Grandy’s presser starting… I feel like Grandy took less money to stay in NY, tbh. Still seems like a really good deal for them.

  392. saucY December 10th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Trumbo is that bad on defense, huh? Was kind of hoping we would make a run at him. He plays a lot of positions for being a bad defender….

  393. Yes You McCann December 10th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    “In other words, “The crummy offers we’re getting for Gardner assume we’re desperate to unload him. We’re not. We’re fine keeping him.”

    That’s right.

  394. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    “When a corporation wants a CEO to step down, they leave, with full pay, because of their contract, and IMO, A-Rod would not go without full payment. If I were his agent, I’d tell him all money due me, or play me.”

    _______

    Excellent analogy BIG AL. Sometimes those CEOs get a little extra too to walk away. I’ve been saying for well over a year now Arod will absolutely not take less than his full contract to leave. And the Yanks aren’t going to pay his full salary to sit home or play for someone else. He stays and plays out his contract. Only way that’s not true is if he’s too injured to take the field.

  395. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    First task for Grandy as a NY Met? Saying hi to his mom.

    Grandy is a great guy and I wish him the best.

  396. Yes You McCann December 10th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    “He plays a lot of positions for being a bad defender”

    He plays a lot of positions badly. Like Jayson Nix. Trumbo is a one dimensional player.

  397. Captain Clutch December 10th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Basically Amaro will trade Lee or Hamels if he gets top prospects for them. So basically they aren’t being traded since no team will do that. We go through this nonsense with Lee every off season.

  398. UpState December 10th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    AAA December 10th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    Adam Eaton:

    Outside of being a 25yo…what’s the attraction here ???

    Seems like a weak banjo hitter.

    =====================================

    Good outfielder, solid OBP skills, and 5 seasons from free agency.
    ===================================

    2013:

    250 ab 3-22 .252

    OBP = .314
    RISP = .212

    Meh to paltry.

  399. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    jason nix has a dimension?

  400. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Why get rid of Gardner? Soriano is done after next season, you need to trade both Ichiro and Wells, and keep a young low cost OF such as Gardner.

  401. UnKnown December 10th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Grandy looks awkward in the blue and orange. eek…

  402. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Until our 3B situation is something better than a Nunez/Ryan platoon, I’ll be happy to have Alex back.

  403. UpState December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    “…They need the farm to start producing…”
    ==============================

    The players need to play better.

    …it’s not always a FO issue.

  404. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    A-Rod ain’t a CEO. He’s a PED. This is Al Capone heading off to Sing Sing.

  405. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    If you can’t get what you want for Gardner, try to extend him at 3/30ish.

    THEN try to trade him. :twisted:

  406. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    UnKnown December 10th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    Grandy looks awkward in the blue and orange. eek…

    —————–

    Yea it looks weird but he’ll be back yrs from now with the Yanks as a commentator or spokesman

  407. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    A-Rod is not worth talking about.

  408. Yes You McCann December 10th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Jayson Nix has no dimension. He plays a lot of positions, badly.

  409. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    “A lot of people in NY say true NYers are Mets fans.” – Grandy

    :lol:

    Grandy is such a politician.. should follow in Tony Clarke’s footsteps.

  410. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    UpState December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    “…They need the farm to start producing…”
    ==============================

    The players need to play better.

    …it’s not always a FO issue.

    ———————

    When the results are what they have been for this long it is a FO issue.

  411. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Again, I’m guessing the Yankees are sitting on Reynolds at 3B.

  412. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    “A lot of people in NY say true NYers are Mets fans.” – Grandy

    ————————–

    *vomits*

    This is worse than Robbie going to SEA

  413. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    AROD’s OPS for the past 7 seasons:

    1.067
    .965
    .933
    .847
    .823
    .783
    .771

  414. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    random thoughts, you think Sterling will go ‘Boss’ Tanaka route?

  415. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    UnKnown December 10th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    Grandy looks awkward in the blue and orange. eek…

    —————–

    Yea it looks weird but he’ll be back yrs from now with the Yanks as a commentator or spokesman

    ————

    Don’t think so. He seems more like a mayor to me. And he’s got the perfect campaign slogan: “The Grandyman Can!”

  416. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    DB-

    It should stay way.

    Add a boulder.

    ;)

  417. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Captain Clutch December 10th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Basically Amaro will trade Lee or Hamels if he gets top prospects for them. So basically they aren’t being traded since no team will do that. We go through this nonsense with Lee every off season.

    —————-

    That’s why I said it depends on what his end game is.. if he wants a return, you’re right. If he just wants the salary relief, I could at least see Lee being available.

  418. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Grandy in that massive Met OF over the course of 4yrs is bad news. Defensively, he has been on the decline for 2yrs.

  419. luis December 10th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    UpState December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    “…They need the farm to start producing…”
    ==============================

    The players need to play better.

    …it’s not always a FO issue.

    ==============================

    Yes to a point…We need to improve our player development skills and improve our scouting department, that’s where the money needs to go… Otherwise we won’t produce players…Is not all on them

  420. Your Name Here December 10th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    “True New Yorkers are Mets Fans.” -Granderson

    Ouch.

  421. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Don’t think so. He seems more like a mayor to me. And he’s got the perfect campaign slogan: “The Grandyman Can!”

    ———————–

    True he might have bigger aspirations. Well then maybe he can replace Levine down the line. Randy can’t do this forever :D

  422. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Proximo Hilo Luis ——–>

  423. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    771 ops isn’t all that terrible , if you think he will decline further i won’t argue against it. If yanks can find 771 ops replacement for him, i be perfectly content. It’s catch 22, yanks and rod hate each other, but he might still present value to the yanks if he can stay healthy, big if.

  424. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    “A-Rod ain’t a CEO. He’s a PED. This is Al Capone heading off to Sing Sing.”

    Haha. I guess you don’t know much about CEOs. A ton more CEOs have gone to prison than major leaguers.

  425. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    2013:

    250 ab 3-22 .252

    OBP = .314
    RISP = .212

    Meh to paltry.

    ======================

    Just back from an injury though, probably not fully recovered.

    Posted a .450 OBP in 1560 minor league PA’s and .382 OBP in his 25 game cup of coffee in the majors in 2012. Didn’t come back from injury until the 2nd half last season, and struggled a little. I think he’ll have himself a pretty nice career as a leadoff hitter.

  426. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    A-Rod ain’t a CEO. He’s a PED. This is Al Capone heading off to Sing Sing.
    ******************************************

    Please, get real, Al Capone heading off to Sing Sing!

    You are now comparing a sports playing, that used PED’s, to that of a murdering gangster, really!

    Perhaps the next time one of your hero’s in the entertainment business does something really bad, you’ll jump up and down not not buy their music, or view their movies, unlike one person here that condemns A-Rod for using PED’s and being immoral, yet loves the child molester Michael Jackson.

  427. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Well–since no one else stepped up to the plate, I just signed Joba. He will be cutting my lawn and trimming bushes…have him locked up for 2014 season with an option to have him rake my leaves in the fall.

    I think he has potential in this field.

  428. I am Brett Godner December 10th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    “When the results are what they have been for this long it is a FO issue”

    It’s getting awfully hard to argue against that point. I think they bought into a flawed theory on developing young pitchers ( a lot of other teams did too) and they never rebuild so the prospects never get to learn at the top level and they rarely draft early for any length of time, but all that said they must scout poorly as well. It’s not like any Yankee prospects have gone elsewhere and done much. They used to do well with international prospects but it seems like they have backed off there as well. At some point they need to blow up their whole development and scouting system. Seriously if you want to spend non-tax money that’s where it should have been all along.

  429. UpState December 10th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    UpState December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    “…They need the farm to start producing…”
    ==============================

    The players need to play better.

    …it’s not always a FO issue.

    ———————

    When the results are what they have been for this long it is a FO issue.
    ===================================

    so basically all our MiLB players suck ?
    regardless of age – they’re pretty much worthless for the future ?

  430. I am Brett Godner December 10th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    One word for when Arod tries to put on pinstripes again….Gilooly.

  431. I am Brett Godner December 10th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    “True New Yorkers are Mets Fans.” -Granderson

    Ouch.
    ———————————————————–

    Grandy no!

  432. charlestonchew December 10th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    http://www.baseball-reference......ypepad.com

    They say that Asdrubal Cabrera may be on the block… wouldn’t be a bad 2B or 3B option. Actually, he’s quite good usually and making enough money that the return won’t need to be as high as other options (and he had a down year last year).

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