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Granderson introduced as newest Mets outfielder

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 10, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

On this second day of the Winter Meetings, there’s been a little more rumor buzz, but not much in terms of significant action. The Yankees remain loosely tied to a handful of free agents and trade possibilities, but there’s not much indication that they’re on the verge of anything.

Right now, the Mets are introducing Curtis Granderson as their newest outfielder.

Granderson first said hello to his mom — a perfectly Granderson-like moment — then said he’s excited about continuing his community outreach work in New York, and that David Wright played a significant role in recruiting him to the Mets. The Yankees, Granderson said, showed some early interest, but always made it clear they were looking into other options.

“There were conversations right away about the way they were considering things,” Granderson said. “… I’m glad the Mets were there constantly on me and pushing and showing interest. You want to go where you’re needed and wanted.”

Granderson will wear No. 3 with the Mets. For some reason, he didn’t wear that number with the Yankees.

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274 Responses to “Granderson introduced as newest Mets outfielder”

  1. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Don’t think so. He seems more like a mayor to me. And he’s got the perfect campaign slogan: “The Grandyman Can!”

    ———————–

    True he might have bigger aspirations. Well then maybe he can replace Levine down the line. Randy can’t do this forever :D

  2. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    I think that 4th yr the Mets offered had more impact than Wright.

  3. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    771 ops isn’t all that terrible , if you think he will decline further i won’t argue against it. If yanks can find 771 ops replacement for him, i be perfectly content. It’s catch 22, yanks and rod hate each other, but he might still present value to the yanks if he can stay healthy, big if.

  4. Tackelberry December 10th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    Why get rid of Gardner? Soriano is done after next season, you need to trade both Ichiro and Wells, and keep a young low cost OF such as Gardner
    __________________________________________

    Because he will be a free agent after this season and Yanks won’t go very high to re-sign him

  5. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Best of luck Curtis.

    You’re good player and an even finer Human Being.

    :)

  6. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Has Randy ever been able to do it before :)

  7. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    It shouldn’t be too hard to find a 3B with a .750 OPS minus the drama.

  8. Yes You McCann December 10th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Our farm system is fool’s gold.

  9. luis December 10th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Odds,

    At least it would be a politician that actually played the game… That’s a plus! ;)

  10. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    “true NYer are Mets Fan” that’s funny from Grandy, I tend to think true long islander are Mets fan.

  11. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    These reporters suck this year. They have no inside scoop on anyone.

  12. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    luis December 10th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    Odds,

    At least it would be a politician that actually played the game… That’s a plus! ;)

    ———————–

    +1

    Plus ppl would actually like Granderson…as oppose to hating Levine.

  13. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    “A-Rod ain’t a CEO. He’s a PED. This is Al Capone heading off to Sing Sing.”

    ———–

    Haha. I guess you don’t know much about CEOs. A ton more CEOs have gone to prison than major leaguers.

  14. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Trades are much harder to arrange than just buying FA’s.

  15. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    It shouldn’t be too hard to find a 3B with a .750 OPS minus the drama.

    —————-

    Yeah you’d think not… but last year they ‘fixed’ this problem with Kevin Youkilis, so I’d like to see some results that improve the INF before thinking it’s a foregone conclusion.

  16. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    They were really slow to address Arod’s decline. Just last year they drafted Jagielo. They’ve done an equally poor job with shortstop.

  17. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    All these inter-related parts moving around remind me of a jigsaw puzzle, or a good chess match.

    :)

  18. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    OT
    I know she is a tad crazy, but this is a good cover.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOwblaKmyVw

  19. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    They were really slow to address Arod’s decline. Just last year they drafted Jagielo. They’ve done an equally poor job with shortstop.

    —————-

    How’re they doing on 2B…?

  20. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Although the Yankees have been playing Monopoly of late.

    ;)

  21. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    And GF thinks it’s only checkers.

    :(

  22. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Cash – Dolly is her godmother.

  23. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    “Trades are much harder to arrange than just buying FA’s.”

    _________

    That’s def true. It’s interesting how the Winter Meetings have basically stopped FA activity. Still some key pitchers out there. And Choo, and Infante. I think Tanaka is holding a lot up. Once we find out about him, then Price will be released and then probably the FA pitchers.

  24. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    A-Rod ain’t a CEO. He’s a PED. This is Al Capone heading off to Sing Sing.
    ******************************************

    Please, get real, Al Capone heading off to Sing Sing!

    You are now comparing a ball player, that used PED’s, to that of a murdering gangster, really!

    Perhaps the next time one of your hero’s in the entertainment business does something really bad, you’ll jump up and down not not buy their music, or view their movies, unlike one person here that condemns A-Rod for using PED’s and being immoral, yet loves the child molester Michael Jackson.

  25. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    I’m pretty sure Al Capone went to Alcatraz

  26. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Well–since no one else stepped up to the plate, I just signed Joba. He will be cutting my lawn and trimming bushes…have him locked up for 2014 season with an option to have him rake my leaves in the fall.

    I think he has potential in this field.

  27. Cashmoney December 10th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    SS, i have no idea, good cover though, she could have slow down a tad and try emote the with the lyrics a little better, but that is better than Dolly’s version.

  28. Jerkface December 10th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Yes, Kuroda’s translator counts against the luxury tax, at least according to Dan Martin and Ken Davidoff. I know, it’s silly, but it is what it is. Eight-five grand doesn’t sound like much, but it is one month’s worth of the league minimum salary. That means one fewer September call-up if the team wants to stay under the luxury tax threshold. Like I said, silly.

    I knew this before but always figured these costs were baked into the contracted amount. Apparently not for Kuroda! Since Kuroda’s translator is taking up an 85k extra. Just an interesting thing. Here is the relevant CBA passage:

    ““Salary” shall mean the value of the total compensation (cash or
    otherwise) paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform
    Player’s Contract, including any guarantee by the Club of payments
    by third parties, for a particular championship season. Salary shall
    include, without limitation, the value of non-cash compensation such
    as the provision of personal translators, personal massage therapists,
    and airfare and tickets exceeding normal Club allotments.”

  29. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Well–since no one else stepped up to the plate, I just signed Joba. He will be cutting my lawn and trimming bushes…have him locked up for 2014 season with an option to have him rake my leaves in the fall.

    I think he has potential in this field.

    ——————–

    :lol:

  30. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    It’s nice that Buddy Harrelson let the Mets un-retire No. 3 so that Grandy can wear it. There were so few numbers left to choose from.

  31. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    It would be nice if people could consider thinking a bit more strategically.

    We are building a Team.

    The sum of the whole is not equal to the individual parts.

    The whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts.

    Which means you can compensate for a weakness at 1 position with a strength at another.

    i.e. We don’t have to try to replace Cano exactly, or nearly.

    We have more than replaced his production already.

    If Johnson plays 2nd an upgrade at 3b would work just fine.

    Don’t get fixated on a position by position approach.

    ;)

  32. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    I’m pretty sure Al Capone went to Alcatraz
    **********************************

    You are correct, but, then again what place does correct info have on this blog, lol. :)

  33. UpState December 10th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    UpState December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    “…They need the farm to start producing…”
    ==============================

    The players need to play better.

    …it’s not always a FO issue.

    ———————

    When the results are what they have been for this long it is a FO issue.
    ===================================

    so basically all our MiLB players suck ?
    regardless of age – they’re pretty much worthless for the future ?

  34. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Dan-

    There are a lot of inter-dependent things going on.

  35. DaSaint007 December 10th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Good luck to Granderson. Good player, great person. Class Act.

    I met his mother at a function where she represented him supporting youth financial literacy, and it’s clear where he gets it from.

    I had pined for his return to RF, and felt he would have gotten 4/60 to 4/72, but what’s done is done….we move on, and I welcome Beltran.

  36. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    How’re they doing on 2B…?

    ______________

    Kelly Johnson at this point.

  37. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Bojo,

    Your sense of humor was sorely missed ;)

  38. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    I’m pretty sure Al Capone is dead.

    But I’m still not sure about Hoffa and D.B. Cooper.

    :)

  39. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Luis-

    I didn’t miss it.

    :)

  40. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    MTU -

    I see you’re still on top of all the current news.

  41. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    so basically all our MiLB players suck ?
    regardless of age – they’re pretty much worthless for the future ?

    ============================

    No, but the system had a really bad 2013. Injuries, under performance, etc. Doesn’t mean 2014 can’t be a bounce back year.

  42. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Replacing Cano with Ellsbury and Beltran might replace his production but also assumes twice the level of risk.

  43. hardwired7 December 10th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    MTU December 10th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Best of luck Curtis.

    You’re good player and an even finer Human Being.

    —————-

    Well put, MTU. Amen to that.

  44. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Thx Luis!

  45. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Al-

    I never sleep w both eyes closed.

    ;)

  46. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2013 at 1:03 pm


    When the results are what they have been for this long it is a FO issue.
    ===================================

    so basically all our MiLB players suck ?

    YES.
    For 18 years Cashman only has 1 superstar come from the minors – Cano.
    A player he practically begged Arizona to take in the Randy Johnson trade.

    What does that tell you?
    It is 100% a FO issue!

  47. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    But then again, just saying Joba is always good for an easy chuckle.

  48. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    BoJo -

    When Joba is done by you, can you send him my way, I have scrubs that need trimming.

  49. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
    Luis-

    I didn’t miss it.

    :)

    ================

    You lucky putz! Not to take anything from you away…You are funny on your own right…But you got to admit that the Joba post and the Harrelson Mets number were hilarious! ;)

    Don’t start with wild eye indian thing…kimosave!!! ;)

  50. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Shame-

    No it doesn’t.

    Ellsbury is quite young.

    Too pessimistic once again.

    Cano has his 240 mil.

    Time to move on.

    ;)

  51. Jerkface December 10th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    I remember when people were suggesting Heathcott or Austin would be starting in 2014 which is why the Yankees could get under 189. The entire farm system crashed and burned.

  52. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Luis-

    Bojo is quite entertaining sometimes.

    :)

  53. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....miliarity/

    I think this a pretty good article. The subject is actually very heavy and you probably could have written ten times as many words relating to it but it’s a good executive summary.

    My take away is, the Yanks can go about a million different ways the rest of this decade. They don’t have a ton of obligations, either financial or emotional. We have no idea who the next Mickey Mantle will be or who will make up the next Core Four. What they’ll need is money, will and judgment to succeed. That’s all.

  54. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    luis December 10th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    Odds,

    At least it would be a politician that actually played the game… That’s a plus! ;)

    ————————————————————————————-

    I’m sure at this point Toronto is wishing Jose Canseco could’ve been Mayor.

  55. DaSaint007 December 10th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Shame-

    No it doesn’t.

    Ellsbury is quite young.

    Too pessimistic once again.

    Cano has his 240 mil.

    Time to move on.
    ——————————-

    Well stated. Absolutely time to move on.

  56. Jerkface December 10th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    No it doesn’t.

    If not twice as much then some number between 1.5 and 2. You are relying on 2 players to carry the load previously taken by 1. One is very old. One is unreliable.

  57. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    MTU -

    I think we’re starting to see with the loss of Cano something similar to that of what we saw after the Montero trade, which to date was a huge plus for the Yankees.

  58. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    JF-

    Last year.

    Isn’t 2014 coming or did I miss that ?

    ;)

  59. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    I’d wait to see how they perform this year before I call it a crash and burn.

  60. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Everybody is always complaining about the FO, but I think they have the toughest job in sports. They cannot take years to retool or tank a few seasons to get high draft picks. They have to overpay for any player (due to luxury tax). The city is a tough place to play for many, and you never can tell when a talent like Hughes, Kennedy, or Joba will fold because of the pressure…whereas they might thrive elsewhere.

    I might not be thrilled with were our system is at, but I give them credit for getting us to post season so frequently and their willingness to get talent in whatever approach they have to take..

  61. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    UpState December 10th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
    Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    UpState December 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    “…They need the farm to start producing…”
    ==============================

    The players need to play better.

    …it’s not always a FO issue.

    ———————

    When the results are what they have been for this long it is a FO issue.
    ===================================

    so basically all our MiLB players suck ?
    regardless of age – they’re pretty much worthless for the future ?

    ———————

    Not worthless but I’m not buying into the hype machine again. He’s been at this for a while and hasn’t had much to show for it.

  62. BD (Boston Dave) December 10th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    I agree with blake.

    offer Infante 2/$16M with a mutual option at $8M and a $2M buyout.

    offer Drew 3/$27M…. or something in that ballpark. I’m not sure if 2 years gets it done but start there maybe.

    get 2b taken care of asap, wait to see what happens with tanaka. they can possibly be patient on the bullpen.

  63. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Patrick December 10th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Joba has talent but he really needs a change of scenery.
    ————–

    Scenery didn’t make him out of shape or injury prone. He’s Brian Bruney.

  64. Jerkface December 10th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Isn’t 2014 coming or did I miss that ?

    Yea it is? And there is no help from the farm system. My point.

  65. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
    Replacing Cano with Ellsbury and Beltran might replace his production but also assumes twice the level of risk.

    ===================

    To be fair…We don’t know how Ellsbury and Cano’s health will be like going forward….But I agree, I think Cano is a better health risk at this point in time… A better argument would be that we have a very questionable infield as a result of losing Cano on top of the health issues.

    Bojo,

    YW ;)

  66. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
    BoJo -

    When Joba is done by you, can you send him my way, I have scrubs that need trimming.
    =========
    We’ll have to work something out. I don’t think Hal just let Mo swing by Citifield to clean up their mess without compensation…you know?

    What do you have to offer in return?

  67. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Jerkface December 10th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    “I remember when people were suggesting Heathcott or Austin would be starting in 2014 which is why the Yankees could get under 189. The entire farm system crashed and burned.”

    _______

    Yes and no. The first mistake was thinking that even if these guys succeeded in AA they could be almost immediately plugged into the ML lineup and produce at above-average Yankee-type level. I pointed this out last off season that that was a foolish assumption. Look how long it took Bernie to really produce and he was a much better prospect than all of them.

    The farm system looks bad now. But that can turn around very quickly. In just two or three months. And I think it probably will. But that doesn’t mean any of these guys are close–hence the need to spend big this off season. But a really good farm year next year gives the Yanks trading options. One thing they don’t have at all now. More options are a good thing.

  68. DaSaint007 December 10th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    offer Infante 2/$16M with a mutual option at $8M and a $2M buyout.

    offer Drew 3/$27M…. or something in that ballpark. I’m not sure if 2 years gets it done but start there maybe.
    ————————-

    No one is accepting a 2 year offer in this market. Cases in point: Peralta and Beltran.

  69. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Al-

    Cano is a tremendous talent. I’m gonna miss him.

    But it simply wasn’t in the cards for us to keep him.

    He wanted more money than we were willing to offer. By a lot.

    I wish him well in his future endeavors and I hope his dreams (whatever they may be) come true.

    I see this as a no harm no foul situation.

    No one player is greater than the Team.

    Baseball is a Team sport.

    We have a Team to finish building. I think it is going rather well so far.

    :)

  70. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Jerkface December 10th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
    I remember when people were suggesting Heathcott or Austin would be starting in 2014 which is why the Yankees could get under 189.

    ————————-

    Don’t worry Cash will just pump up some other wave of players and tell us these are the next stars

  71. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    I remember when people were suggesting Heathcott or Austin would be starting in 2014 which is why the Yankees could get under 189. The entire farm system crashed and burned

    ==========================

    I recall it a little differently, with more believing that Pineda and Banuelos would be rotation fixtures than Heathcott/Austin, but your conclusion is still spot on. I mentioned the system having a rough 2013. It was a pretty disappointing 2012 as well, now that I think about it.

  72. DaSaint007 December 10th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Not even sure that 3 years gets it done.

  73. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    BoJo -

    I’ll send Wells over to dig holes for planting. There is one problem, he’s been known to dig holes he can’t get out of.

  74. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
    BoJo -

    I’ll send Wells over to dig holes for planting. There is one problem, he’s been known to dig holes he can’t get out of.
    ==========
    Update==>Joba just pulled his groin…going on DL

  75. DaSaint007 December 10th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    For any deal, the Yankees have to move their surplus: outfiled, young catchers and minor league pitchers.

  76. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Aaron Hill and Howie Kendrick are looking better and better.

  77. DaSaint007 December 10th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    Aaron Hill and Howie Kendrick are looking better and better.
    ——————————-
    Kendrick may be possible. Don’t know how we match up though.

  78. butterball December 10th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    I would just like to take this opportunity to say “Thank You” to Chad for mostly abandoning the whole “video” thing. It’s nice to be able to still read the blog :-)

    And Merry Christmas.

  79. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    The failed farm system is the fault of the FO. They fail to spend the money needed to hire needed coaches and instructors at all levels, too few quality talent evaluators, and scouts.

  80. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    I always liked Aaron Hill…If not for that concussion, he would probably have put up great numbers in his career.

  81. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    I remember when people were suggesting Heathcott or Austin would be starting in 2014 which is why the Yankees could get under 189. The entire farm system crashed and burned
    ————————–

    Montero and Romine were supposed to be catcher and DH

    Hughes, Joba, Banuelos, Brackman and Betances were the rotation

    Montgomery and Robertson nailing down the back end of games

    Austin, Heathcott in the OF with Mason Williams right behind

    and I’m sure that a couple of years from now people will be ready for Pete O’Brien or Eric Jagello to replace Alex, DePaula to be a rotation mainstay and Jake Cave and Greg Bird to be tearing it up.

  82. I am Brett Godner December 10th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    “Scenery didn’t make him out of shape or injury prone. He’s Brian Bruney.”

    A buffet is part of the scenery. So is Burger King.

  83. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    We don’t match up on Kendrick.

    Aaron Hill- meh.

  84. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
    The failed farm system is the fault of the FO. They fail to spend the money needed to hire needed coaches and instructors at all levels, too few quality talent evaluators, and scouts.
    ————-
    Valid point.

  85. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Howler December 10th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
    luis December 10th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    Odds,

    At least it would be a politician that actually played the game… That’s a plus! ;)

    ————————————————————————————-

    I’m sure at this point Toronto is wishing Jose Canseco could’ve been Mayor.

    ======================

    To paraphrase you….Something tells me that this isn’t the case :D

  86. BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Later folks – Y’all have a great day!

  87. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    We have also succumbed to the injury bug big time in the Minors in recent years.

    Maybe we will have a healthier year this year.

    That could really change the complexion of things.

    ;)

  88. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    bigdan,

    Thanks for the link…A very good read…My only objection is that even with Cano on the fold, according to their line of argument, they still had enough financial flexibility… I liked the 2017 lineup a great deal…But something tells me that some of those players will be extended at some point, so I wouldn’t based my team complexion on those variables… Again, I think they need to invest heavily in the farm

  89. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    ” ESPN’s Keith Law reports (via Twitter) that the Mark Trumbo talks between the Diamondbacks and Angels have expanded to include the White Sox, with a potential framework sending Adam Eaton to Chicago and Hector Santiago and Tyler Skaggs to the Angels.

    The deal is “getting pretty close,” a source tells MLB.com’s Alden Gonzalez (Twitter link). Though he was discussed in a separate trade with the White Sox and Angels, Kendrick is not part of this deal, Gonzalez adds.”

  90. Giuseppe Franco December 10th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    MTU -

    I think we’re starting to see with the loss of Cano something similar to that of what we saw after the Montero trade, which to date was a huge plus for the Yankees.

    ——

    I must have missed that. Pineda hasn’t thrown a pitch for the Yanks yet so I’m not sure how it was a huge plus for them.

  91. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
    The failed farm system is the fault of the FO. They fail to spend the money needed to hire needed coaches and instructors at all levels, too few quality talent evaluators, and scouts.
    ————-
    Valid point.

    ==================
    Yes it is

  92. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Wonder who the White Sox get ?

  93. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    I don’t know that the farm system failed – clearly the plans for the big three pitchers did. I think the bigger problem is that we, as fans, have pretty unreasonable expectations for how quickly a player might progress. Each time a guy moves up a level there’s an adjustment – some players take longer to make that adjustment than others and some never make it.

    In the case of Heathcott, Williams and Austin, I think their development got stalled a little because of injuries, but I wouldn’t say that they’re done as prospects. Certainly their rating takes a hit, but that’s more for fans than anything else. Other teams still know what tools a player has and how he might grade out – the injuries may cause a red flag if they’re chronic and another GM might try to buy low on a good prospect who is coming off a stalled season, but by and large, the teams know that when the guy gets healthy he’ll produce.

    Having said that – I also don’t think you can be gunshy of signing a veteran because you have prospects in A and AA ball.

  94. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Jerkface December 10th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    No it doesn’t.

    If not twice as much then some number between 1.5 and 2. You are relying on 2 players to carry the load previously taken by 1. One is very old. One is unreliable.

    ———-

    Basically, even if both are good, healthy, consistent players you are assuming more risk just because you’re relying on spreading the production over two spots.

    This is one of those things that works in a montage including Brad Pitt but doesn’t always in practice (ie: the A’s never winning anything).

  95. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    GF,

    Even if he manages to become an ace, it is still a bad trade…But it would certainly make it palatable to me

  96. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    MTU,

    Thanks for being our optimist .

  97. UpState December 10th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
    The failed farm system is the fault of the FO. They fail to spend the money needed to hire needed coaches and instructors at all levels, too few quality talent evaluators, and scouts.
    ===================================

    So if we need better coaches/instructors in our system….then these are VG players who just have no ‘teachers’….???

    Then all the other teams would certainly be ‘clamoring’ to make trades with us – to get these great players who just simply need better instructors ???

    (or do they all suck and have no chance at advancing ?)

  98. Giuseppe Franco December 10th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    BIG AL December 10th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    The failed farm system is the fault of the FO. They fail to spend the money needed to hire needed coaches and instructors at all levels, too few quality talent evaluators, and scouts.

    —–

    We certainly agree on that. Given the financial resources they have they should be acquiring the best baseball people around.

    And that kind of investment wouldn’t be anywhere near as costly as one of these big contracts they’ve doled out so far this offseason.

  99. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    “bigdan,

    Thanks for the link…A very good read…My only objection is that even with Cano on the fold, according to their line of argument, they still had enough financial flexibility”

    Good point Luis. I don’t think that was covered in the article. But for me, the real point of all that is that the future is truly wide open. They def need to do a better job developing their own players. Wouldn’t hurt either to clone Stick :). I think we have the technology.

  100. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Some of you seem to spend a lot of time focusing on the Past. Almost wallowing in it IMHO.

    As if that is a guarantee of the Future.

    It might be an indicator but it isn’t a certainty.

    The future can still be different. Things can and do change.

    More change is needed for sure. Like Newman, for instance, etc.

    It Future hasn’t arrived yet. Better to try to be hopeful, no ?

    Pessimism is a dead end. The Future is all you have.

    ;)

  101. John in Ohio December 10th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Mixed feelings seeing Granderson go (seemed like it was 0-2 count when he stepped into the box), but time marches on. Welcome to Beltran, who has wanted to be a Yankee for a long time.

    Granderson is a great ambassador for the game. Best wishes to him.

  102. Giuseppe Franco December 10th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    GF,

    Even if he manages to become an ace, it is still a bad trade…But it would certainly make it palatable to me

    —-

    Hell, at this point, I’d settle for a #4 starter who can stay healthy for the entire 2014 season.

    Talk about lowered expectations.

  103. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    ed: the Future. sorry

  104. brianlopez22 December 10th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    MLBTR:

    Top Yankees prospects such as Tyler Austin, Slade Heathcott and Mason Williams have seen their stock fall precipitously in the past year, diminishing New York’s ability to make trades, writes Joel Sherman of the New York Post. One Cubs official told Sherman, “The Yankees have no upper-level talent,” when asked about potential trades between the two clubs.


    ———————–

    NOOOIIIICEEE!

    Great Job Cash-Dummy!

  105. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    “Wouldn’t hurt either to clone Stick :) . I think we have the technology”

    =======================

    I can get behind this wholeheartedly! ;)

  106. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    The Cubs official who was quoted by Sherman as saying that the Yankees have no upper level talent is 100% right. Zoilo Almonte, Austin Romine and JR Murphy are the only three guys at AAA that a team might be interested in.

    There’s a difference though between upper level talent and high ceiling talent. The Yankees have plenty of the latter, but teams that are dealing a promising young player like Smardjza or an established young star like Kendrick want high ceiling players that are major league ready and the Yankees don’t have that right now.

    I think the ceiling on Murphy is pretty high actually given his age and power potential, but I’m not a professional scout so who cares what I think.

  107. pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    JackCurryYES

    Cashman called Youkilis’s agent to gauge interest in returning to Yankees. Youkilis appreciated call, but wants to play near home in Cali.

  108. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Hell, at this point, I’d settle for a #4 starter who can stay healthy for the entire 2014 season.

    ———————-

    AJ Burnett!!!

    :D

  109. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Mac-

    The Future is all any of us have.

    Expecting it to suck isn’t a very happy or productive way to view the World.

    This past year was one of the worst of my Life but I am still optimistic about the Future.

    I feel I have no other good choice.

    ;)

  110. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    JackCurryYES

    Cashman called Youkilis’s agent to gauge interest in returning to Yankees. Youkilis appreciated call, but wants to play near home in Cali.

    —————-

    Our GM was chasing a failed experiment from last year as a solution…. there’s so much to be optimistic about I can barely contain myself!

  111. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    GF,

    Even if he manages to become an ace, it is still a bad trade

    ————————-

    If he becomes an ace it’s a big big win

  112. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Saw Winfield recently…looked good…great 10 year contract..wonder if he’s available…oops…sorry MTU..past can’t be the future :)

  113. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Giuseppe Franco December 10th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    GF,

    Even if he manages to become an ace, it is still a bad trade…But it would certainly make it palatable to me

    —-

    Hell, at this point, I’d settle for a #4 starter who can stay healthy for the entire 2014 season.

    Talk about lowered expectations.

    ++++++++++++

    :lol: Wise words….And you are right, whatever we get from him is a plus

  114. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Maybe this will cheer you up Shame

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7znI_Kpzbs

  115. DaSaint007 December 10th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    JackCurryYES

    Cashman called Youkilis’s agent to gauge interest in returning to Yankees. Youkilis appreciated call, but wants to play near home in Cali.

    —————————————-

    Groundhog day…

  116. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Wonder who the White Sox get ?

    ======================

    They get Eaton

  117. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
    JackCurryYES

    Cashman called Youkilis’s agent to gauge interest in returning to Yankees. Youkilis appreciated call, but wants to play near home in Cali.

    —————–

    Hmmmm sure why not it worked so well last yr.

  118. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Maybe this will cheer you up Shame

    ———————–

    I’m plenty cheerful!

    Just not about the Yankees… yet.

  119. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    The call to Youkilis = Cashman stuck without a 3B. After all this time. Unreal.

  120. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    When you see Cashman calling on Youk my optimism for quality additions is reduced. Are you kidding me?

  121. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    MLBTR:

    Top Yankees prospects such as Tyler Austin, Slade Heathcott and Mason Williams have seen their stock fall precipitously in the past year, diminishing New York’s ability to make trades, writes Joel Sherman of the New York Post. One Cubs official told Sherman, “The Yankees have no upper-level talent,” when asked about potential trades between the two clubs.

    _________

    God.

  122. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    The call to Youkilis = Cashman stuck without a 3B. After all this time. Unreal.

    ————————-

    It was either going to be him or Reynolds.

  123. Mottsx December 10th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    If Cashman is calling on Youk doesnt that mean there is $12m to throw around?

  124. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
    luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    GF,

    Even if he manages to become an ace, it is still a bad trade

    ————————-

    If he becomes an ace it’s a big big win

    ==================

    I don’t want to get in to this again… But they traded a piece in an area of need for a piece in an area of strength…If they traded for another position player that would have been a whole different story… For me it was a philosophically wrong move and that makes it a bad move regardless…But that water under the bridge, we need Pineda to be as good as he can possibly can

  125. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Because some unknown in the Cubs organization or a talking head like Law, or any of them pronounce our system as not having any upper level talent does not make it so.

    I happen to disagree with them strongly.

    They look at only this year’s situations. Those can change dramatically from yr. to yr. and they frequently do.

    One or 2 breakouts and the whole picture is vastly different.

    With the amount of talent we have it wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

    We have 2, not 1, top of the rotation type starters at AAA.

    If the Cubs don’t see that then that’s on them. They must have never scouted these guys when healthy.

    Or they look at some stat sheet and draw their conclusions from that.

    Anyone who has ever seen Manny or Jose pitch when healthy knows exactly how much potential they both have.

    To say otherwise is ludicrous.

    And those are only 2 of our guys.

    ;)

  126. Giuseppe Franco December 10th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    JackCurryYES

    Cashman called Youkilis’s agent to gauge interest in returning to Yankees. Youkilis appreciated call, but wants to play near home in Cali.

    ——

    Oh, you’ve gotta be sh!tting me. I understand “kicking the tires” and considering all options but those tires have been flat for some time.

    And people wonder why my confidence in Cashman and Co. has taken such a dive.

  127. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    we need Pineda to be as good as he can possibly can

    ——————–

    +1000

  128. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Bret,

    Cashman is the guy that traded for Javy twice!… He is consistent at least!

  129. pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    DanBarbarisi
    Cashman says he’s talked to Mark Reynolds’ agent about bringing him back (among many others, of course)

  130. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and agree with Giuseppe Franco. The Youkilis call is really really bad news.

  131. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Time for some lunch.

    All this optimism is making me hungry.

    :)

  132. Giuseppe Franco December 10th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    GF,

    Even if he manages to become an ace, it is still a bad trade

    ————————-

    If he becomes an ace it’s a big big win

    —-

    It certainly would but that would be one hell of an amazing comeback to regain his first half of 2011 form after not pitching for two years.

  133. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Sign Tanaka and Choo. Cashman is dumpster diving again, he needs to be pulled to the surface for air.

  134. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    I’m going to go out on a limb here and agree with Giuseppe Franco. The Youkilis call is really really bad news.

    =================
    Aha!! This is progress

  135. Warning Track Power December 10th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Granderson better get used to making a lot of fly ball out in Mets park.
    His numbers will be way down and the fans will probably boo Granderson by May of this
    year when he steps up to the plate and has just 1 HR at home to date.
    Then again, he may get the boo birds based on his low avg and poor play

  136. joeman December 10th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
    JackCurryYES

    Cashman called Youkilis’s agent to gauge interest in returning to Yankees. Youkilis appreciated call, but wants to play near home in Cali.

    ———————————————–
    whats he want to give him another 12 mil..play 3 weeks and then go on DL for the rest of the season…the guy is a stiff

  137. Jerkface December 10th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    One or 2 breakouts and the whole picture is vastly different.

    With the amount of talent we have it wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

    We have 2, not 1, top of the rotation type starters at AAA.

    If the Cubs don’t see that then that’s on them. They must have never scouted these guys when healthy.

    The players need to be performing and be healthy for them to have value, MTU. The Yankees have plenty of guys who, in theory, could be top prospects. However other teams have players with similar or better ceilings who are actually performing up to their ceilings in the minors.

    Mason Williams and Austin could be major league outfielders some day, but for now they are guys who can barely hit and were injured. Banuelos didnt even pitch. Ramirez only got 70 innings in.

    Who is going to trade for them when you can get a prospect that actually pitched and pitched well? Yea it can all change in 2014, but for now and going forward these guys have little value. They need an entire year of kicking ass to regain value.

  138. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Giuseppe Franco December 10th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    GF,

    Even if he manages to become an ace, it is still a bad trade

    ————————-

    If he becomes an ace it’s a big big win

    —-

    It certainly would but that would be one hell of an amazing comeback to regain his first half of 2011 form after not pitching for two years.

    ——–

    Oh yea the road ahead of him is not an easy one that’s for sure.

  139. pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    DanBarbarisi
    Cashman: “i have thrown a lot of trade proposals out there, as well as conversations w/ free agents.” Unsure if itll lead anywhere.

  140. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    If Cashman ever gets a meatball like Youkilis to play 3b for us I am withdrawing my apology to Hal immediately following.

    Stopping now w/o completing the task would be one of the dumbest things I could ever imagine.

  141. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
    Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    I’m going to go out on a limb here and agree with Giuseppe Franco. The Youkilis call is really really bad news.

    =================
    Aha!! This is progress

    —————-

    In the end we’re a family. Might be a dysfunctional one but still family. :D

  142. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    When no one wants our so-called prospects, I do hear the dumpster calling.

  143. Giuseppe Franco December 10th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and agree with Giuseppe Franco.

    —-

    Now let’s hold hands and sing Kumbaya together.

  144. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    he needs to be pulled to the surface for air.

    —————

    Put him in a sharpshooter and make him tap.

  145. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    So Mark Reynolds is going to be our 3B, Kelly Johnson our 2B and they will throw have to ignore the bullpen and cover all those inefficiencies by overpaying for Tanaka. And they will stay under 189.

  146. Giuseppe Franco December 10th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    joeman December 10th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
    JackCurryYES

    Cashman called Youkilis’s agent to gauge interest in returning to Yankees. Youkilis appreciated call, but wants to play near home in Cali.

    ———————————————–
    whats he want to give him another 12 mil..play 3 weeks and then go on DL for the rest of the season…the guy is a stiff

    —–

    Perhaps you won’t have to throw away your Youkilis jersey after all.

  147. pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    @McCulloughSL
    Brian Cashman on who will take the DH at-bats: “We’ll have a lot of candidates.”

  148. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    The call to Youkilis = Cashman stuck without a 3B. After all this time. Unreal.
    ——————-

    I think the starting 3b is likely to be Kelly Johnson.

    Cashman’s hands are tied at 3b. He can’t sign someone to a long term deal because even if Alex is suspended for this season – he’ll be back in 2015. More than that though – there aren’t any good 3b options available via free agency:

    Juan Uribe
    Kevin Youkilis
    Mark Reynolds
    Eric Chavez
    Ty Wiggington
    Wilson Betemit

    They’re all flawed – so if Youkilis wanted to take a 1 year $1 mil contract why the heck not?

  149. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....our-97562/

    Good article by Axisa on 189. As I’ve been saying since Sherman’s article Sunday night, the next move is the tell. If the Yanks go all in on Tanaka or spend for 2b/3b then we’ll know for sure 189 is dead.

    One thing Axisa doesn’t cover is the implication of Sherman and my conclusion that 189 may actually be the secondary goal here and the primary goal may be just a significant reduction in 2014 payroll. Either way, the tell is the same. It’s the Yanks’ move.

  150. joeman December 10th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Giuseppe Franco December 10th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    joeman December 10th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
    JackCurryYES

    Cashman called Youkilis’s agent to gauge interest in returning to Yankees. Youkilis appreciated call, but wants to play near home in Cali.

    ———————————————–
    whats he want to give him another 12 mil..play 3 weeks and then go on DL for the rest of the season…the guy is a stiff

    —–

    Perhaps you won’t have to throw away your Youkilis jersey after all.

    ————————————
    come on GF your killing me

  151. luis December 10th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    DanBarbarisi
    Cashman: “i have thrown a lot of trade proposals out there, as well as conversations w/ free agents.” Unsure if itll lead anywhere.

    =======================

    189 or close to it is still in force…Sherman may be right after all

  152. pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    DanBarbarisi
    Cashman says they havent settled who would play CF and who LF if they keep Gardner. Still makes most sense that Gardner goes to LF

  153. blake December 10th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Why don’t the Dbacks just sign Mark Reynolds and stick him in LF and keep their pitchers? Would seem to be a better idea to me.

    Also…..we really want you to play closer to your home in Cali too Youk

  154. joeman December 10th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Mark Reynolds
    ………………………………
    would be my choice….

  155. pat December 10th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    McCulloughSL
    Cashman says the team has gotten calls on Brett Gardner, Ivan Nova, Gary Sanchez, JR Murphy and others.

  156. luis December 10th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    In the end we’re a family. Might be a dysfunctional one but still family. :D

    =================

    In deed!! ;)

  157. bardos December 10th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Sorry if I’m repeating what has been already said here. About all the possible trades that have been floating about… the Yankees have NO pieces to trade. The farm systen has ZERO major league ready players. Any trade made will /would have to use valuable 25 man roster pieces.

    Thus a hefty subtraction for a hefty addition. I don’t see the Yankees bringing home any important piece of the puzzle through a trade…. buying, yes.

    Now, having said that, I have to state that my predictions are almost always 100% wrong. So I guess you can count on an important trade happening.

    However, if I said the above, then it means no trade.

  158. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Jerkface December 10th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    The players need to be performing and be healthy for them to have value, MTU. The Yankees have plenty of guys who, in theory, could be top prospects. However other teams have players with similar or better ceilings who are actually performing up to their ceilings in the minors.

    Mason Williams and Austin could be major league outfielders some day, but for now they are guys who can barely hit and were injured. Banuelos didnt even pitch. Ramirez only got 70 innings in.

    Who is going to trade for them when you can get a prospect that actually pitched and pitched well? Yea it can all change in 2014, but for now and going forward these guys have little value. They need an entire year of kicking ass to regain value.

    ——–

    Very true JF. I’ve been saying this for quite awhile. Hopefully next offseason the Yanks will have chips they can use.

  159. luis December 10th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    joeman December 10th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
    Giuseppe Franco December 10th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    joeman December 10th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    pat December 10th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
    JackCurryYES

    Cashman called Youkilis’s agent to gauge interest in returning to Yankees. Youkilis appreciated call, but wants to play near home in Cali.

    ———————————————–
    whats he want to give him another 12 mil..play 3 weeks and then go on DL for the rest of the season…the guy is a stiff

    —–

    Perhaps you won’t have to throw away your Youkilis jersey after all.

    ————————————
    come on GF your killing me

    ====================

    You are not alone :lol: This has been a very funny thread

  160. joeman December 10th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    pat December 10th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
    McCulloughSL
    Cashman says the team has gotten calls on Brett Gardner, Ivan Nova, Gary Sanchez, JR Murphy and others.

    ———————————–
    don’t want any of them to go..

  161. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    MTU –

    The issue with the pitchers is bigger (IMO) than the one with the position players.

    I firmly believe that the organization under Nardi Contreras doesn’t know the first thing about developing a starting pitcher and that when/if it happens it is by sheer accident. I had hoped that with the Gil Patterson hire things would change, but it appears that Patterson actually reports to Nardi and not the other way around.

    As for the position players, sure they need to get better at being able to identify talent (trading Abe Almonte so that they could keep Melky Mesa) but part of it is also that last season the minor league level was as ravaged by injury as the major league level. Austin, Williams and Heathcott need to play consistently at one level so that they can progress to another and injuries prevented them from doing that.

    On the flip side we saw JR Murphy jump from AA to AAA to the majors – so that’s encouraging.

  162. UpState December 10th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    MTU December 10th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    Because some unknown in the Cubs organization or a talking head like Law, or any of them pronounce our system as not having any upper level talent does not make it so.

    I happen to disagree with them strongly.

    They look at only this year’s situations. Those can change dramatically from yr. to yr. and they frequently do.

    One or 2 breakouts and the whole picture is vastly different.

    With the amount of talent we have it wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

    We have 2, not 1, top of the rotation type starters at AAA.

    If the Cubs don’t see that then that’s on them. They must have never scouted these guys when healthy.

    Or they look at some stat sheet and draw their conclusions from that.

    Anyone who has ever seen Manny or Jose pitch when healthy knows exactly how much potential they both have.

    To say otherwise is ludicrous.

    And those are only 2 of our guys.
    ===================================

    So alot of our MiLB players aren’t top shelf due to injury; not that they ‘flat-out’ suck ?

    That would mean – we need to diagnose each draftee for the “injury gene” ?

    Like I said before – unless you draft at the top of the list and get the “studs” that everyone knows about…the rest of each draft is a crapshoot.

    Unfortunately (or fortunately) so much of drafting players is purely luck.

    Seems we’ve drafted some pretty decent players; however the injury factor has had a huge impact on their ‘scheduled readiness’….

    Sometimes you need some luck !

    (or get the DNA report on the ‘injury gene’)

  163. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    pat December 10th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    McCulloughSL
    Cashman says the team has gotten calls on Brett Gardner, Ivan Nova, Gary Sanchez, JR Murphy and others.
    —————–

    JR Murphy has played some 3b in the minors – I would love to see them move him there and see if he can stick.

  164. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    but it appears that Patterson actually reports to Nardi and not the other way around.

    —————-

    I hope that isn’t the case.

  165. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    As an aside – if this three team deal goes down the White Sox are said to still be looking for a BUC…

    I know I’m a broken record – but if the Yankees could entice them into a deal for Jeff Keppinger I wouldn’t be upset by that.

    Maybe Cervelli for Keppinger – you can play either Johnson at 3b and Keppinger at 2b or Keppinger at 3b and Johnson at 2b.

    Then you can still sign Almedys Diaz in February and when he’s ready to come up, platoon Keppinger and Johnson.

  166. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    MTU –

    The issue with the pitchers is bigger (IMO) than the one with the position players.

    I firmly believe that the organization under Nardi Contreras doesn’t know the first thing about developing a starting pitcher and that when/if it happens it is by sheer accident. I had hoped that with the Gil Patterson hire things would change, but it appears that Patterson actually reports to Nardi and not the other way around.

    ________

    As I mentioned yesterday, perhaps the biggest player development failure by the Yanks over the last five years was allowing Quintana to get away. Someone should have gotten fired for that.

  167. GregD December 10th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    I’m at work and I had to check out what was going on here…….why haven’t we made a move today?? :)

  168. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 1m
    Cashman on #Yankees retiring Torre’s No. 6: “we haven’t given it out for a reason. … It already has unofficially happened”

  169. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    why haven’t we made a move today??

    ———————

    Cash tried to get Youk back so it’s a good non move :D

  170. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    An infield with Johnson + Keppinger = A Turd

  171. GregD December 10th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    AAO—–non moves are good too…… :)

  172. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Bryan Hoch ?@BryanHoch 1m
    Cashman believes signing a free agent pitcher will be easier than trading for one.

  173. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Joe was kept around a couple years too long (but isn’t that always the case?). He was a good manager though. He could handle George. I think his number retirement day will be a nice one.

  174. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    As usual, Cashman doing a pretty good George Costanza.

  175. pat December 10th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    FeinsandNYDN: Cashman said Michael Pineda is healthy and will come to camp to compete for a spot in the rotation.

  176. pat December 10th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    DanBarbarisi: Yankees still engaged with Boone Logan

  177. pat December 10th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    DanBarbarisi
    Cashman confirms on-record that Yankees topped out at 7-$175 for Cano. “Somebody took him from us for a lot more.”

  178. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Well yeah Brian.

    Thanks for stating the obvious for us. Really ? FA’s easier than trades ? No foolin’ ?

    By the way, lunch was good.

    :)

  179. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Boone Logan? :(

  180. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    of course he called youkilis who is potetnially the best 3b on the market.

  181. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    MTU –

    The issue with the pitchers is bigger (IMO) than the one with the position players.

    I firmly believe that the organization under Nardi Contreras doesn’t know the first thing about developing a starting pitcher and that when/if it happens it is by sheer accident. I had hoped that with the Gil Patterson hire things would change, but it appears that Patterson actually reports to Nardi and not the other way around.

    ________

    As I mentioned yesterday, perhaps the biggest player development failure by the Yanks over the last five years was allowing Quintana to get away. Someone should have gotten fired for that.
    —————-

    Nah, a bunch of teams passed on him. That stuff happens. He was a minor league free agent putting up solid numbers in the low minors. It’s like saying they screwed up letting Christian Garcia go; it happens.

    The biggest screw ups in player development were in draft picks – picking pitchers with injury problems like Andrew Brackman, Scott Biddle and Ty Hensley is just wasting picks. Reaching on Cito Culver and Dante Bichette is just as bad.

    And, of course, there’s the actual development of high end pitchers once they’re in the organization whether it’s Humberto Sanchez, Al Horne, Joba Chamberlain, Dellin Betances, Phil Hughes, Manny Banuelos…they’re all mishandled.

    Someone wrote when Hughes was a prospect that the way the Yankees were treating him was like they wanted him to become Jaret Wright – a guy who would throw 5 innings and then head for the showers.

  182. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Boone Logan.

    :)

    See Bret. That’s what makes the world go round.

    ;)

  183. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 1m
    Grandy: ‘True NYers are Mets fans.’ Agree? http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....fans-agree … With Poll

  184. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Can certainly agree the Yankees handling of pitchers in the minors is one of the bigger failures of the organization.

  185. ac1 December 10th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Just read that Lee and Hamels are on the block again.
    If we can’t get Tanaka, my goal would still be to get either of them as long as we only have to give up a little and can take on a lot.

  186. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Someone wrote when Hughes was a prospect that the way the Yankees were treating him was like they wanted him to become Jaret Wright

    ———————

    I remember Russo and Francesa mentioning that at the time and they couldn’t help but think WTH are the Yankees doing lol

  187. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Twitter today is bombarding us fans with messages with how the team feels great about everything and how former players and current ones are hunky dory and there’s really no need to change anything.

    It’s Cashman waiving his white flag. He’s getting his ass whooped out there.

  188. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Amaro said that he’d trade Lee or Hamels as long as they didn’t have to eat any money and the return was big…..so basically he’s not trading them and he’s a moron who just wants the attention.

  189. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 1m
    Grandy: ‘True NYers are Mets fans.’ Agree? http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo…..fans-agree … With Poll

    Says the guy from Chicago…

  190. Ys Guy December 10th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    marchand misquotes granderson to get followers? cheap trick

    granderson said ‘many people have said to him that real ny’ers are mets fans.’

    thats different.

  191. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    If the Yankees spent 300+ million and stop now then they are dummies and they’ll miss the playoffs again…..this still isn’t a playoff team…..it might not even be as good as last year yet. The pitching and bullpen are def worse….offense might be a little better overall.

  192. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    The Yankee prospects have potential but they’re 2 or 3 years away at best right now. Teams are impatient, especially if they’re giving up a Lee or Kemp. They want players who can contribute right away like Wil Meyers did for Tampa Bay or like Travis d’Arnaud was supposed to for the Mets.

    I’m sure that the Dodgers would still like Gary Sanchez and Mason Williams but they’re not close enough to major league ready for them to part with Matt Kemp for the two of them.

  193. ac1 December 10th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    If Jeter plays and Tex stays healthy, this offense can make up for Cano.
    Would be nice to have a .300 hitter (With Cano, Jeter may be the only possible one).

  194. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Todays PR releases are saying just that. “We are stopping now.”

    There is no full plan to add all these players with edge and drive and two-way ability. They spent a wad of money to basically add 3 total players and all the rest will stay the same and expenditures will go down.

  195. pat December 10th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    “…..Levine also stated the Yankees still plan on staying under the $189 million threshold and the team is budgeting in Rodriguez’s $27.5 million salary, which would not be paid if the third baseman is suspended for the season.

    “There is no uncertainty,” Levine said. “Alex Rodriguez is on our payroll, he’s in our budget and he’ll continue to be in our budget unless something changes.”

  196. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    If the Yankees spent 300+ million and stop now then they are dummies and they’ll miss the playoffs again…..this still isn’t a playoff team…..it might not even be as good as last year yet. The pitching and bullpen are def worse….offense might be a little better overall.
    —————

    It’s December 10th…no one has said the Yankees are stopping now. They’re just going to look for more guys who make sense.

  197. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 2m
    #whitesox had 4LH SP (Sale, Danks, Quintana, Santiago) using athletic Santiago from stockpile in 3-way talks, would get Eaton #Diamondbacks

  198. ac1 December 10th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Chip forget Kemp….
    I am only trading key prospects for Hamels or Lee.

    And if Infante wants 8M/year, just give it to him….

    A good hitter who can play 2nd and 3rd.

  199. pat December 10th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    eboland11
    Cashman:”I’m trying to get our offense back to where it was, or where we’re used to having it, a top two or three offenses in the game.”

  200. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    I thought letting Robbie go was bold and would add flexibility and make them more aggressive. They completely shut down after he left and they even said they intend to spend that money.

    WHERE?

  201. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    “It’s December 10th…no one has said the Yankees are stopping now. They’re just going to look for more guys who make sense.”

    you still hear that they want to get under 189 though…..they literally can’t even sign Infante and fit under the cap….so either they are just saying that or they can’t add. I’d feel better if they’d just come out and say ….the budget is off…..but perhaps they are keeping that out there for leverage in contract talks. I dunno……but they need to fill several more holes.

  202. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    ac1 December 10th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Chip forget Kemp….
    I am only trading key prospects for Hamels or Lee.

    And if Infante wants 8M/year, just give it to him….

    A good hitter who can play 2nd and 3rd.
    —————

    I’m saying that if you’re the Phillies you don’t want guys who are 2 or 3 years away for Hamels or Lee – you want guys who can come in and make an impact by Memorial Day.

  203. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    “…..Levine also stated the Yankees still plan on staying under the $189 million threshold and the team is budgeting in Rodriguez’s $27.5 million salary, which would not be paid if the third baseman is suspended for the season.”

    LOL….they are already WAY over 189 counting Arod’s salary…..they are at 182 without it! That’s why all this is confusing……Cashman keeps saying that they need all this stuff …..but also keeps saying that 189 is a goal still…….they can’t do anything else if 189 is a goal……like maybe sign Infante but that’s it.

  204. AAA December 10th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Amaro said that he’d trade Lee or Hamels as long as they didn’t have to eat any money and the return was big…..so basically he’s not trading them and he’s a moron who just wants the attention

    ==================================

    No way he should eat and not get big return on Hamels. Lee? Not so much. I’ve got no problem with Amaro throwing their names out there. Makes sense given the cost of pitching.

  205. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Bret is about to go on a war path

  206. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Blake

    Cashman echoed the words of Yanks’ managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner when asked if the Yanks could stay under $189 million: “Hal’s said it ad nauseam since March. It’s a goal, but not at the expense of having a winning club.”

  207. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    “No way he should eat and not get big return on Hamels. Lee? Not so much. I’ve got no problem with Amaro throwing their names out there. Makes sense given the cost of pitching.”

    I don’t have a problem with it…..but he does this every year and every trade deadline.

  208. pat December 10th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    BryanHoch
    Brian Cashman on @RobinsonCano: “He had 240 million reasons why he should go to Seattle, & if I was him, I would have done the same thing.”

  209. BD (Boston Dave) December 10th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    RE: prospects

    That’s why selling on a prospect isn’t always terrible and keeping guys like Mason and Austin, etc who have talent but haven’t performed… (ie don’t sell low), isn’t a bad strategy.

    It’s easy to fall in love with prospects who tear it up one year in A ball, but it’s such a crapshoot.

    Honestly, I don’t know why the Yankees don’t spend more money on scouting and use their financial advantage to buy guys who have a proven track record of success (Tampa Bay, St Louis, etc.)

    Pay top dollar for the top scouts from those teams and it’ll pay off ten fold down the road.

  210. Patrick December 10th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    I thought letting Robbie go was bold and would add flexibility and make them more aggressive. They completely shut down after he left and they even said they intend to spend that money.

    WHERE?

    Well they did sign Beltran immediately after Robbie left. And Tanaka hasn’t been posted yet

  211. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    GregD December 10th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
    AAO—–non moves are good too…… :)

    ———————–

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dx08RbJ97g

  212. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    thanks pat.

    :)

  213. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Dear Bryan Hoch, you can stop tossing Cash salad any minute now.

  214. Patrick December 10th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    “Hal’s said it ad nauseam since March. It’s a goal, but not at the expense of having a winning club.”

    Well the Yankees are projected at 84 wins as currently constituted. That’s a winning club.

  215. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Patrick December 10th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    I thought letting Robbie go was bold and would add flexibility and make them more aggressive. They completely shut down after he left and they even said they intend to spend that money.

    WHERE?

    Well they did sign Beltran immediately after Robbie left. And Tanaka hasn’t been posted yet
    ————–

    And Diaz can’t be signed until February.

  216. pat December 10th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    McCulloughSL
    Brian Cashman on his OF alignment: “There will be no set outfield, if everything shakes out the way the winter should go.” Total chaos!

  217. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    I think whoever said the next move will be a major tell could be right…

    If they move Ichi, they can give themselves a little more wiggle room to stay under $189.

    People think I try to trade Tex because I hate him.. I try to trade Tex because the Yankees are on a budget and he’s the only guy with trade value (besides Nova and Gardner) we don’t discuss.

  218. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    “Cashman echoed the words of Yanks’ managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner when asked if the Yanks could stay under $189 million: “Hal’s said it ad nauseam since March. It’s a goal, but not at the expense of having a winning club.”

    either this is a lie and it’s a mandate and not a goal or they are going over…..it’s as simple as that. They are less than 10 million away from the limit now (without arod) and they still need an infielder, a starter, and bullpen help.

  219. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    pat December 10th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
    BryanHoch
    Brian Cashman on @RobinsonCano: “He had 240 million reasons why he should go to Seattle, & if I was him, I would have done the same thing.”

    ——————–

    Cash foreshadowing his exit after next yr??

  220. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    And Diaz can’t be signed until February.

    —————

    Gotta push hard for Diaz.. we need INF help.

  221. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    I’m not sure this is a .500 team right now to be honest…..Sabathia is a ? and the middle to back of the rotation is awful…..and the pen is think as well. The offense might be better…..but the pitching could be pretty bad. If they stop now then they wasted their money.

  222. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
    Dear Bryan Hoch, you can stop tossing Cash salad any minute now.

    ————————–

    What???

  223. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    My only concern with Tanaka is if he’s lost his luster to the club now that the posting rules have changed.. pretty sure Sherman or one of the other sourced beat writers reported that their interest has cooled.

  224. Jerkface December 10th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Brian Cashman on his OF alignment: “There will be no set outfield, if everything shakes out the way the winter should go.” Total chaos!

    Wow that will make it a lot more likely that Ellsbury will run into someone :(

  225. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    It is easy to let every little quote, mis-quote, etc. throw you off track.

    People read into things what they want to read into things.

    Until the Yankees have officially called it an OS don’t believe anything until it’s official.

    A lot of PR, etc. type games are being played out there.

    Lot’s of “spin”.

    ;)

  226. Jerkface December 10th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    My only concern with Tanaka is if he’s lost his luster to the club now that the posting rules have changed.. pretty sure Sherman or one of the other sourced beat writers reported that their interest has cooled.

    I hate them if so. They will still get some luxury tax relief and you cant go and get a 25 year old potential front end starter for only money anywhere else

  227. Tar December 10th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    So in the last few minutes I have learned that our offense really did suck, the Yankees were never really serious about retaining Cano and Levine can’t add.

    Fun stuff.

  228. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    “My only concern with Tanaka is if he’s lost his luster to the club now that the posting rules have changed.. pretty sure Sherman or one of the other sourced beat writers reported that their interest has cooled”

    he’s still 25 and supposedly good and the rotation still isn’t all that great.

  229. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    I hate them if so. They will still get some luxury tax relief and you cant go and get a 25 year old potential front end starter for only money anywhere else

    ————-

    Tanaka should be a given.. but I thought Darvish was at the time, too.

  230. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    I think that $189 is a goal – but so is putting a playoff caliber team on the field; and that goal trumps $189.

    If the Yankees spend $200 million then their luxury tax payments are somewhere in the $20 mil range…money they’ll easily recoup by being in the post season.

    Beyond that – as I’ve said before – this is likely Derek’s last year and I don’t think the Yankees want to deal with the PR flack that would come from having fans think that they’re going to let his career end with a whimper because they’re trying to save money on a luxury tax that 80% of the people who follow the Yankees don’t understand and the other 20% don’t care about.

  231. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    It’s the second day of the winter meetings…not unusual that a whole lot doesn’t get done here, fans want a lot done now, but it’s not always the case. The team isn’t going to be as it’s set. There is a long way to go before the roster is going to be what opening day is, and what it’s going to look like in the 2nd half…too early to make pronouncements about where it’ll be.

  232. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    If everyone would just put their efforts into trying to trade Tex and his full salary to the Mets, we’d be a lot more productive than we’re being right now….

  233. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Tar December 10th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
    So in the last few minutes I have learned that our offense really did suck, the Yankees were never really serious about retaining Cano and Levine can’t add.

    ——————-

    Just another day at the office :)

  234. BD (Boston Dave) December 10th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    “I’m not sure this is a .500 team right now to be honest”

    ——

    Boston looked awful on paper too. Well, not awful but…

    Yanks need to sign this years Koji Uehara and role players. They don’t technically need a star like Cano if they can spend that money more wisely spread out among multiple guys.

    Infante, IMO, is one of those kind of guys… though if he takes a 3 yr deal to sign he’s not exactly a stopgap.

  235. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    I’d rather have him on the team.

  236. pat December 10th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    JackCurryYES
    Cashman has sense of humor about Cano talks. When I said, “Hey JZ,” to PR man Jason Zillo, Cashman feigned anxiety and said, “Where is he?”

  237. Tar December 10th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Good post Hector. They should have “taken their medicine starting from last year.”

    It’s too late now though.

  238. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Howler-

    Thanks. I can’t hold this boulder up much longer all by my lonesome.

    :)

  239. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    MTU…just stand on top of it and relieve yourself on the non-believers :)

  240. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    DaSaint007 December 10th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
    JackCurryYES

    Cashman called Youkilis’s agent to gauge interest in returning to Yankees. Youkilis appreciated call, but wants to play near home in Cali.

    —————————————-
    Are the Bad News Bears looking for an experienced 3B?

  241. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    MLB Network Radio ?@MLBNetworkRadio 2m
    .@Yankees Brian Cashman tells “Inside Pitch” Cano’s camp countered w $235 million deal before final Seattle deal. Wouldve taken $5m discount

    bless his heart

  242. BoJo December 10th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    BY the way. $189M was my goal this year too….but I am going to fall far short.

  243. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Howler-

    Not quite sure which way the wind is blowin’.

    Still testing though.

  244. Shame Spencer December 10th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    shame , doesn’t teixeira have a no trade clause? why would he agree to go somewhere else?

    plus i have a hunch he’ll bounce back to close to an .800 OPS guy.
    and he does play great defense at first.

    ————————

    He does and I can’t speak to why he would other than to say many players have waived full and limited NTCs in the past. It’s also why I suggest the Mets as a landing spot, because I think it’s feasible he’d be more willing if it didn’t involve uprooting his family.

    All of Tex’s merits are why I’d try to trade him. If they’re going to limit spending, they have to find a way to unload one of their big deals.

  245. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    MLB Network Radio ?@MLBNetworkRadio 44s
    Cashman: “I need some infield, I need some pitching, on the rotation and bullpen.” Balfour? Headley? Tanaka? “You might be aiming too high.”

    they are gonna get under the cap still….you watch. They’ll trade ichiro to free up a little money and then get a bunch of cheap filler to complete the roster. We may have gotten excited for nothing gang……

  246. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    You guys really need to stop worrying about what Cashman says so much.

    If I were him and asked about the outfield alignment, I would say that it’s probably going to be Zoilo Almonte in LF, Ichiro in CF and Wells in RF just because the question is so pointlessly dumb.

    Of course if no one’s moved it’s going to be Gardner-Ellsbury-Beltran we all know that…all that happens with him answering the question that way is he now has to deal with people going to Soriano to find out how he feels about DHing or Ichiro and Wells about accepting bench roles…it’s a pain in the neck he doesn’t need to deal with.

  247. Ted Nelson December 10th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    “If the Yankees spent 300+ million and stop now then they are dummies and they’ll miss the playoffs again…..this still isn’t a playoff team…..it might not even be as good as last year yet. The pitching and bullpen are def worse….offense might be a little better overall.”

    I would bet you that they’re looking and willing to make significant upgrades (Tanaka say, some many potential trade targets, or multiple guys). If A-Rod is suspended, though, they would be dummies to be barely over $189M. The marginal cost of a win or so would be like $50M. The chances that win is what makes the difference between playoffs and not aren’t that great.

    This comment falls in line with your typical hyperbole and over-exaggeration.

    I have to seriously, seriously disagree that this offense wouldn’t be as good as last years’ offense. Do you remember 2013? There were only 2 above league average offensive players with 250 PAs. A total of about 3 players worth of above average PAs. This season there’s no reason not to expect McCann, Ellsbury, Gardner, Teixeira, Soriano, Beltran to be above average, and Jeter and Kelly Johnson could make 8 out of 9 spots. Of course you’ll have some injuries and some bad seasons, but you should also have some good luck as well. There’s no Cano-level guy, but this looks like a much, much better line-up.

    P staff looks worse on paper, but SPs are still projected for 4th in MLB and RPs aren’t that difficult to get. Check this out: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....workhorse/

    I don’t know why you are so pessimistic about everything.

  248. blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Chavez, Reynolds and some crappy pitcher come on down…..

  249. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    I think the year off is going to refresh him, and his legs…the wrist surgery should be successful as long as he stops with the excess work…I don’t think you’ll get the guy when he first signed, but I don’t think you’ll see the guy of the last couple of years either. If he does have a good year the time to talk trade would be then when his value is higher, his contract is one year less…and see if you could convince him to waive the no-trade. Better options might be available at that time then what is currently available now.

  250. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Blake-

    Keep your powder dry.

    That could just be “spin”.

    ;)

  251. luis December 10th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Tar December 10th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
    Good post Hector. They should have “taken their medicine starting from last year.”

    It’s too late now though.

    =========================

    This… They now need to continue spending…They have already sacrificed all the 1st and supplemental draft picks from this year.

    Tar,

    Also we learned that Cash is a repeat offender ( Youkilis ) ;)

    Got to go guys…Later

  252. Tar December 10th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Hector ouch. :D

  253. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Chavez, Reynolds and some crappy pitcher come on down…..
    ——————

    I’m with MTU…pour yourself a drink and relax. Much as I don’t believe Cashman’s going to say that he wishes every night that he could trade Ichiro, he’s not going to say that they’re trying to trade for or sign specific players or that they have tons of money to burn. The only people who benefit from hearing those kinds of specifics are Yankee fans, player agents and other GMs.

  254. blake December 10th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Ted just skip my posts please…..I really don’t care to get into these long winded debates with you……a lot of the tone of the things I write hear are half serious and half joking and the folks here that know me know that.

    I do think that if they stop now then this isn’t a playoff teams without a lot of good fortune……and I do think that the money they have spent (which is a lot) will be for nothing and that it’s counter productive to lose all those draft picks if you aren’t going to commit to filling all your holes and really trying to build a contender.

    As I’ve said for months…..they needed to be all in or all out this winter. Stopping now would be somewhere in the middle….they’ll already lost their draft picks and that’s no way to rebuild so they need to finish the job here and go ahead and spend what it takes to win.

  255. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    When does a team ever stop in the beginning of Dec though?

  256. Bret The Hitman December 10th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Padres want Nova for 1 measly F’n year of Headley I bet. That’s why it’s “aiming to high”.

    SF probably wants something similar for 1 measly F’n year of Sandoval.

  257. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Cashman was just on MLB radio and when asked if something like Infante or Headley was next, he responded that is shooting too high.

    Let the diving begin. This year we are going for the pre-Christmas diving specials.

  258. luis December 10th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    blake December 10th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
    MLB Network Radio ?@MLBNetworkRadio 44s
    Cashman: “I need some infield, I need some pitching, on the rotation and bullpen.” Balfour? Headley? Tanaka? “You might be aiming too high.”

    they are gonna get under the cap still….you watch. They’ll trade ichiro to free up a little money and then get a bunch of cheap filler to complete the roster. We may have gotten excited for nothing gang……

    ========================

    The worst of all worlds….Not good enough to win it all, not bad enough to get good talent…On top of it, no draft picks over the 2nd round…Is this a good FO if this is the case?

    Food for thought..Later

  259. blake December 10th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    I’m hopeful that all this stuff they are saying is just spin for leverage….obviously they don’t want to let players and other teams know how much they are willing to spend……but when Levine says that 189 is still a goal and that they are budgeting to still pay Arod then that’s impossible……because they are already past that. Either they have no idea what they are talking about ….or it’s an act…..I guess we will find out soon enough.

  260. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    or at least a team planning on contending.

  261. Against All Odds December 10th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
    Cashman was just on MLB radio and when asked if something like Infante or Headley was next, he responded that is shooting too high.

    Let the diving begin.

    ———————

    Maybe it’s a ninja sneak attack.

  262. Ted Nelson December 10th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    “Of course if no one’s moved it’s going to be Gardner-Ellsbury-Beltran we all know that”

    I would make Soriano the primary RF and Beltran the primary DH, actually. I think the media/fan perception that Beltran is a better option in RF is largely based on reputation. He’s one of the worst OFs in the league and Soriano’s solid LF play should translate ok to RF.

  263. blake December 10th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    “When does a team ever stop in the beginning of Dec though?”

    when they hit their budget…..that’s the thing….they are almost at the 189 mark already (they are already way past it if you county Arod) so either they are pretty much done or they are going to go over it.

  264. raymagnetic December 10th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    “I don’t know why you are so pessimistic about everything.”

    Hi Ted,

    I take it you’re new here?

  265. Howler December 10th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    I’d get Sandoval for a free year of a gift card for a local caterer in San Fran so the Giants could recoup some of their loses.

  266. Ted Nelson December 10th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    “Ted just skip my posts please…..I really don’t care to get into these long winded debates with you……a lot of the tone of the things I write hear are half serious and half joking and the folks here that know me know that.”

    You say a lot of things that are incorrect. If you stop saying so many incorrect things, I will be happy to stop responding to your comments.

  267. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Luis-

    You may be right bit you’re jumping the gun for now.

    :)

  268. Chip December 10th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    A look back at some Cashman comments:

    1. He said he wouldn’t have done the Bobby Abreu deal if they didn’t get Corey Lidle too. Really? He wouldn’t have traded garbage to the Phillies for a RF he desperately needed unless they included Corey Lidle? Horsepoop.

    2. He felt almost instant buyer’s remorse in making the trade for Damaso Marte and Xavier Nady. No he didn’t. He gave up one prospect who was a headcase and a couple of back end pitchers for two guys he needed.

    3. The Yankees weren’t going to be able to sign another big ticket item after signing Burnett and CC. A few days after that comment was made, Tex was getting fitted for pinstripes.

    4. Jesus Montero is going to be a catcher long term. Not even close. The Yankees buried him at AAA and didn’t even let him catch when he was a September call-up.

    It’s not Brian’s job to tell us what he really thinks or to update us on things he has in the works for the team. It’s his job to make the team better and if reporters want to ask him stupid questions like “what players are you in on?” or “what’s the outfield alignment going to be?” then they’re going to get stupid answers.

  269. Tar December 10th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    I agree…..all in or why even bother with Ellsbury and Beltran?

    Unfortunately my definition of all in included Cano. :sad:

  270. MTU December 10th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Proximo Hilo ——–>

  271. Ted Nelson December 10th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    “when they hit their budget…..that’s the thing….they are almost at the 189 mark already (they are already way past it if you county Arod) so either they are pretty much done or they are going to go over it.”

    There are still moves that they can make through trades and low budget signings.

  272. austinmac December 10th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    The cap seems very much still in the mind of management. We got too excited, too early I fear.

    Reynolds at 3B, Johnson and Nunie at 2B, with Johnson also filling in some at 3B.

    Comparing us to the Nats whose GM is on the radio, they are trying to complete their roster with a second left hander in the pen.

  273. bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    bigdan22 December 10th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Chip December 10th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    MTU –

    The issue with the pitchers is bigger (IMO) than the one with the position players.

    I firmly believe that the organization under Nardi Contreras doesn’t know the first thing about developing a starting pitcher and that when/if it happens it is by sheer accident. I had hoped that with the Gil Patterson hire things would change, but it appears that Patterson actually reports to Nardi and not the other way around.

    ________

    As I mentioned yesterday, perhaps the biggest player development failure by the Yanks over the last five years was allowing Quintana to get away. Someone should have gotten fired for that.
    —————-

    Nah, a bunch of teams passed on him. That stuff happens. He was a minor league free agent putting up solid numbers in the low minors. It’s like saying they screwed up letting Christian Garcia go; it happens.

    The biggest screw ups in player development were in draft picks – picking pitchers with injury problems like Andrew Brackman, Scott Biddle and Ty Hensley is just wasting picks. Reaching on Cito Culver and Dante Bichette is just as bad.

    And, of course, there’s the actual development of high end pitchers once they’re in the organization whether it’s Humberto Sanchez, Al Horne, Joba Chamberlain, Dellin Betances, Phil Hughes, Manny Banuelos…they’re all mishandled.

    _______

    Wrong and wrong. Garcia never had the consistent success in the minors Quinny had. And all of his success was tainted by injury. Other teams passed on him? Sure, but none of those teams knew Quinny (or should have) like the Yanks did. They had him for four years. He was successful all four years finally dominating as a 22 year old left-hander in high A. Go look up his peripherals. This is the exact type of young pitcher the Yanks should be targeting in their minor league system. Perfect for Yankee Stadium.

    And his major career will be miles better than any of those pitchers you mentioned. Book it.

  274. jacksquat December 10th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    The Yankees went out on black friday, bought some expensive gifts, then realized they are almost out of money and they’re only half done.

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