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Yankees notes: Cashman might not find the pitcher he wants

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 11, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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The Yankees are very clearly in the market for a starting pitcher, but Brian Cashman acknowledged this afternoon that neither the trade market nor the free agent market is particularly encouraging at the moment. The Yankees would prefer to add a high-end starter rather than a back-of-the-rotation innings eater, but the Yankees might have to take what they can get.

“It’s the whole spectrum,” Cashman said. “I’d like to climb as high on the board as I can get, but that’s unrealistic. I just may have to settle for something better than what I’ve got, and that may not be realistic. We’re just going through the motions, trying to figure it out.”

Cashman wouldn’t comment, in anyway, about the impact of the Masahiro Tanaka situation. He wouldn’t say whether that’s slowed down the market, or whether it’s changed the way the Yankees have engaged the market.

Ultimately, the Yankees are sorting through a market that’s much weaker than the position player market. Cashman said he could shift focus to the bullpen — add some low-cost rotation options and spend on a reliever or two — but even the bullpen market is getting costly.

“Some of those guys are as expensive as the starters,” Cashman said. “… Non-roster invitees might be key. I’d rather go the easier route and pull something down that someone’s like, ‘Good move,’ but I don’t know if that’s going to happen. I might have to go the harder, longer route. We’ll see.”

Dellin Betances• Cashman confirmed that Dellin Betances has an option for next year and can be sent to Triple-A. Betances burned through his third and (supposed to be) final option last season, but each winter some players are given a fourth option, and Betances is one of those. That means the Yankees don’t absolutely have to carry Betances on the big league roster out of spring training. Being out of options — combined with his terrific second half last year in the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre bullpen — seemed to make Betances a vague favorite to break camp on the big league roster. Now that’s much more up in the air.

• Also, Eduardo Nunez has an option left. Considering Brendan Ryan basically took Nunez’s utility spot, and Kelly Johnson is pretty locked into some sort of infield job, Nunez could very easily end up back in Triple-A next year.

• The Yankees have, in fact, expressed interest in Johan Santana. However, Cashman said that’s because Santana’s agent reached out to the Yankees, and the Yankees said they’d be interested in talking about him. “I don’t know what to think of Johan right now,” Cashman said. “I haven’t looked at his medicals. I did have a call from his agent about a lot of his players, so we agreed to have a conversation at some point. We haven’t had one yet.”

• New strength coach Matt Krause has met with Derek Jeter and CC Sabathia this winter. Cashman said he wasn’t sure of the exact details, but nothing negative to report in Jeter’s rehab. Still several weeks from real baseball activities. Kind of a “no news is good news” situation. “He was impressed with his workout and all that type of stuff,” Cashman said.

• The Yankees 40-man roster is full, so they won’t be taking anyone in tomorrow’s Rule 5 draft. They did, however, leave some solid minor league relievers unprotected. “We expect to lose some, yeah,” Cashman said. “I wouldn’t be surprised.”

• While shopping for both a second baseman and a third baseman — both in free agency and on the trade market — Cashman said he thinks it will be easier to land a second baseman than an insurance policy at third. “Second base is deeper in terms of options,” Cashman said.

• In his talks with free agent relievers, Cashman said his conversations have not reached a point in which any high-reliever has demanded a guaranteed closer job. That might be a matter of conversations not getting that far, though. “I know in some of those (cases), if you’re going to pay them that money, they’re obviously coming to close,” Cashman said.

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369 Responses to “Yankees notes: Cashman might not find the pitcher he wants”

  1. pkyankfan69 December 11th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    I hope Nunie enjoys his summer in sunny Scranton!

  2. DONNYBROOK December 11th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Instead of telling us stuff we already know, Cashman needs to update us on the $189 Over-Under.

  3. pkyankfan69 December 11th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    The Mets have agreed to terms with Bartolo Colon on a two-year deal, according to Sweeny Murti of WFAN (via Twitter).

  4. Patrick December 11th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Signing Colon is a good job by the Mets. 2 year deal, not so good.

  5. Chad Jennings December 11th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 11th, 2013 at 5:11 pm e

    Instead of telling us stuff we already know, Cashman needs to update us on the $189 Over-Under.

    —-

    Problem is, there’s just no chance that’s going to happen. Not with any level of honesty, anyway. The question is asked every time, but Cashman’s not going to comment on how much money the Yankees have left to spend. They’ve set the $189 goal, which is the negotiating stance they want.

  6. Patrick December 11th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    2 years 20 million for Colon .. if he stays healthy (big if) that’s a pretty solid deal. I probably would have taken that on the Yankees

  7. mick December 11th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    blake
    w/out the velo CC’s 84 mph out pitch is diminished coming off an 89 mph FB

  8. blake December 11th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    That colon deal woukd put them over 189

  9. sammiejohnson December 11th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    I think just about any deal now will put them over $189.

  10. Patrick December 11th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    That colon deal woukd put them over 189

    With or without A-rod included?

  11. blake December 11th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    With or without A-rod included?”

    They are already way over with Arod…they are at 182ish without him

  12. blake December 11th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    That’s why nickel and diming now woukd be dumb….because it’s very likely they are already over 189. Only way they aren’t is if Arod misses the entire season and even then they only can spend like 7 million more dollars

  13. kd December 11th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    2/20 for a 40 year old who didn’t perform well after he was caught taking steroids

    at least cashman didn’t do this

  14. kd December 11th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    seems to me they are confident arod’s not playing this year

  15. pkyankfan69 December 11th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    This is an amusing link… Red Sox fans are dumb:

    http://deadspin.com/angry-dumb.....1476102468

  16. austinmac December 11th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    If the prices are high on free agent pitchers, imagine how high Tanaka will be? I wonder if the Yankees will play there. They have seemed to pull away from high cost international players. More risk, to be sure.

  17. blake December 11th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #DBacks’ No. 1 target is Tanaka. Continue to explore trades, free agents as they await decision on whether Tanaka will be posted.

  18. blake December 11th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Mark Mulder and Johan Santana could round out our used to be good club

  19. pkyankfan69 December 11th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Ellsbury is an F’n trader!!!!

  20. Bret The Hitman December 11th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Great insight by Andrew Marchand. It’s hard to disagree with him.

    LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — In an ideal world, the Yankees would like to solve the rest of their offseason issues with trades rather than money. That would likely be more cost efficient because agents know they need a second baseman, protection at third, a starting pitcher and a reliever or two.

    Sources with knowledge of the team’s thinking stressed to ESPN New York that they are just “listening” on Brett Gardner. It would take the right deal to unload him.

    In an effort to exact some leverage in these Gardner talks, Yankees GM Brian Cashman said he may not do anything in the short term. Cashman does not want to appear desperate.

    He said he could wait to fill some of the holes during spring training or later. The Yankees have some interest in Mark Reynolds and have already picked up Kelly Johnson, but both bring more with the bat than the glove.

    Gardner
    Eventually, I think Cashman will trade Gardner because he has no other real chips that make sense to deal. One scout said that Gardner because of his outstanding defense and speed should be able to procure a major-league ready starter.

    The Yankees’ first choice for Robinson Cano’s replacement is free-agent Omar Infante, but to their understanding he is still seeking a four-year deal, according to sources.

    If Infante were to play fine defense and have a .795 OPS, like he did in 2013, they might be cool with that outlay. However, in 2012 he was a .668 OPS player in his 64 games with the Tigers. So the Yankees have been willing to search for second base alternatives.

    The problem on the trade market is that teams with good second baseman tend to keep them because they don’t want the hole in that spot either. So if the Yankees were to trade Gardner, it seems it would be for a starting pitcher.

    USA Today reported the Yankees would like to grab the Cleveland Indians’ Justin Masterson in a three-team trade. But Buster Olney tweeted that such a deal had “no legs.”

    On Tuesday, Cashman mentioned that teams have called about Ivan Nova. Still, how can the Yankees deal Nova when they only have two other known starters (CC Sabathia and Hiroki Kuroda) for next season.

    Cashman mentioned that clubs have asked about catching prospects J.R. Murphy and Gary Sanchez. Murphy’s talented and is coming off a solid year, while Sanchez is considered a better prospect, but is coming off a poor 2013 season.

    So the Yankees search for the right deal for Gardner, while maintaining they are keen on teaming him up with Jacoby Ellsbury in 2014.

    Gardner, a free agent after this season, turns 31 in 2014 and the Yankees are acting as if they may team him with Ellsbury and Carlos Beltran in the outfield. But, ultimately, I think he will be dealt beca

  21. Bret The Hitman December 11th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    blake December 11th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #DBacks’ No. 1 target is Tanaka. Continue to explore trades, free agents as they await decision on whether Tanaka will be posted.

    ____________

    Tanaka is expensive.

    Maybe free up 11 M by trading Prado?

  22. blake December 11th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    @JeffPassan: General sense among teams involved in Shin-Soon Choo sweepstakes is whichever team goes eight years will land him. Believed to have seven.

    Good lord

  23. Bret The Hitman December 11th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Marchand’s last line on Gardner:

    But, ultimately, I think he will be dealt because it is either that or the Yankees will likely have to fix the rest of their issues in free agency.

  24. Patrick December 11th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    1. Sign Drew
    2. Move Jeter to 3B
    3. Sign Tanaka
    4. F 189

  25. Bret The Hitman December 11th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Dang the Choo train has a few too many carts.

  26. blake December 11th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Boras should just drop the mic and walk off into the sunset as king if he gets Choo 8 years and Ellsbury 7

  27. Bret The Hitman December 11th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Essentially Choo would be 2 years younger than Cano at the end of that deal, but I hated 8 years for Cano. Even 7 seemed painful.

    Choo already has 7 which means you will have to carry a 38 year old Choo.

    An 8 year ask is sickening, but Boras will get it.

    He said the team that goes 7 for Ellsbury gets him and we know how that turned out.

  28. Shame Spencer December 11th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Aw man.. good deal for the Mets IMO. If he has a decent year, they might be able to trade one year of Colon at $10 million to someone.

    From the start I expected Choo to end up getting more than Ellsbury with Cano also off the market… I’m sure I’ll be shocked at whatever he ends up with.

  29. Shame Spencer December 11th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    What’s the over/under that the team currently offering Choo 7 years is the Mariners..??

  30. Shame Spencer December 11th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    FWIW: ?

    @MarcCarig

    Since 2011, 50 pitchers have logged 500 innings. Of those, Colon’s 119 ERA+ ranks 15th. Right behind him on the list? King Felix.

  31. yankeesfan December 11th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    kd says:
    December 11, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    2/20 for a 40 year old who didn’t perform well after he was caught taking steroids

    at least cashman didn’t do this
    – ——————————

    What a clueless post. Who are these 8 year olds playing with a computer?

  32. Bret The Hitman December 11th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Under.

    The Mariners are the team that will offer Choo 9 years after hearing some team offered him 8 realizing it was the Mariners who offered him 8.

  33. Shame Spencer December 11th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    ?@AndrewMarchand

    As my buddy @espn_durrett points out, all 30 MLB teams should bid $20M for Tanaka and if the FA frenzy becomes too much, then back out +

    @AndrewMarchand

    If you don’t sign Tanaka, you don’t owe the money. (Note: There has to be a decision on if he will post)

    Yeah, I don’t see why the majority of teams won’t put up the posting fee knowing there’s no penalty for making the bid and not signing the player.

  34. Hankflorida December 11th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    pkyankfan69 December 11th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
    This is an amusing link… Red Sox fans are dumb:

    http://deadspin.com/angry-dumb…..1476102468

    It all started when the Red Sox fans lost Babe Ruth, and anger was passed on to each generation and thus dulls the brain; since I can remember, the Yankees have never been spurned by a player of Cano’s talent, and the NY fans can appreciate his greatness and wish him well without any hostility.

  35. joeman December 11th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    jeter isn’t moving to any other position….it will be SS and DH..no place else

  36. mick December 11th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    mets staff with harvey back and wheeler, colon, niese and gee is better than yanks.

  37. exiledintampa December 11th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Can’t wait to see Bartolo in the batters box.

  38. Yankee Trader December 11th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    I’ve been away most of the day. Other than hearing the Yankees signed” Squat”, have they done anything else?

    Bring me up to speed.

    Is it still “What’s ” on 2nd and
    “I Don’t Know” on 3rd?

  39. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Only trouble Mick is that Harvey just got TJS.

    He’ll be out all year.

  40. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    YT-

    Yes. Bupkus so far.

  41. pete2 December 11th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Colon was the best SP’er on the market and signed for Phil Hughes money, only 10 million AAV over 2 years. Either Colon wanted no part of the Yankees or the Yankees are done spending. Amazing nobody asked Cashman about Colon.

    Tanaka will get 7/120 so will not be the cheaper option under the new posting system

  42. Patrick December 11th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    MTU,

    Even without Harvey the Mets have a really solid rotation. Colon, Niese, Gee, Wheeler, Mejia with Montero and Syndegard waiting in the wings. Then in 2015 they get Harvey back .. there is a lot of talent on the pitching staff.

  43. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Patrick-

    I understand.

    Just keeping the record straight is all.

  44. exiledintampa December 11th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    We got Bupkus? Did we overpay to get him?

  45. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Exiled-

    Of course not.

    He was a great linebacker.

    :)

  46. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Saw “Man of Steel” today.

    I thought it was terrific.

    :)

  47. exiledintampa December 11th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Robbie’s team getting Seattle to outbid themselves. That’s ” The man of Steal.”

  48. Against All Odds December 11th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
    Saw “Man of Steel” today.

    I thought it was terrific

    ————

    Can’t wait for the second one.

  49. austinmac December 11th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    MTU,

    You have reminded me of the Bupkus song in an old Dick Van Dyke episode.

  50. exiledintampa December 11th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Fake Peter Gammons?@FakePeteGammons47s
    Hearing #MLB plans to stop homeplate collisions by having me block plate fully nude as buffer. Ok, it’s my idea. This is Peter Gammons.

  51. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    AAO-

    I thought it was very well done.

  52. coney1 December 11th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 1m

    BTW, 2 sources tell me #Reds are indeed interested in Gardner. No traction right now. #Yankees are said not to like Sean Marshall

    ————

    I wonder if Brett Gardner & Adam Warren would get you Homer Bailey if the Yanks agree to take all of Brandon Phillips’ remaining contract

  53. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Mac-

    Man you’re old.

    :)

  54. Shame Spencer December 11th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    On ESPN News they’re saying Tanaka will in fact be posted…

  55. exiledintampa December 11th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Abe Vagoda on Barney Miller, “We got Bupkus.”

  56. Shame Spencer December 11th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    ?@TNT_Mariners

    Zduriencik on whether M’s have flexibility to add more pieces: “A little. I think we’re still going to keep our ears open.”

  57. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Shame-

    I hate to clue those geniuses in but it was inevitable.

    ;)

  58. joeman December 11th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    could something get done tonight….smoke in the air

  59. bbb51 December 11th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    blake December 11th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    @JeffPassan: General sense among teams involved in Shin-Soon Choo sweepstakes is whichever team goes eight years will land him. Believed to have seven.

    Good lord

    Can see why they went to 3 years for Beltran pretty quickly.

    Ellsbury may end up the better deal.

  60. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Joeman-

    What smoke. From chimneys in the cold weather ?

  61. coney1 December 11th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    joeman December 11th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    could something get done tonight….smoke in the air

    —————

    What are you hearing Joeman?

  62. mick December 11th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Saw “Man of Steel” today.
    ===========
    Go see Out of the Furnace.
    woody harellson, christian bale, other big names, great cast..

  63. Shame Spencer December 11th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Shame-

    I hate to clue those geniuses in but it was inevitable.

    ——————–

    I don’t think it was.. but now that they’re reporting it, I can’t seem to find any other sources confirming.

  64. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Shame-

    Believe me. It was.

    ;)

    Mick-

    I’ll try to check it out if I get a chance.

    I loved your last recommendation.

    ;)

  65. blake December 11th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    @MWildSide42: OF Raul Ibanez is likely heading to #Angels, per @jaysonst

  66. Bret The Hitman December 11th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    I think Joeman was just responding to the Sherman tweet.

    He didn’t say something could happen tonight. He asked if something could happen. He just didn’t add a question mark.

  67. mick December 11th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    I’ll try to check it out if I get a chance.
    ================
    Moody,like McCormac.

  68. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    You know why Shame.

    It’s pretty simple.

    The Eagles said they would honor Tanaka’s wishes.

    Do you think he might wish for about 100 Million US ?

    If he doesn’t tell them he wants to be posted faster than a hummingbirds wings beat then he isn’t too smart.

    I think anyone would.

    ;)

  69. hardwired7 December 11th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Sign J.P. Howell, please.

  70. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Tanaka is going to be very, very expensive and as such represents a huge risk to the acquiring Team.

    There is going to be a massive amount of competition between Teams w deep pockets.

    I’m not sure Hal is going to have the stomach for this.

  71. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Sign H.G. Wells and H.P. Lovecraft.

    They’re both good for the future.

    ;)

  72. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    If Tanaka misses his chance to be posted now he is literally gambling w at least 100 Million dollars.

    Do you want me to tell how many Yen that is ?

    :)

  73. hardwired7 December 11th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    They could also sign Thurston Howell III.

    He’d be good for those swanky parties the Steinbros attend.

  74. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    We had the most snow in a single storm here since before the turn of the Century.

    :shock:

  75. Shame Spencer December 11th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    I know what they said.. but maybe trying to convince him to give them one more year isn’t outside the realm of what they’d attempt to do.

    He’ll probably be posted, but I didn’t think it was a foregone conclusion.. and I wish I saw actual reports about it aside from what they said on ESPN News.

  76. AAA December 11th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    David Lennon ?@DPLennon 2m

    A person involved with the Stephen Drew discussions thinks he’s going back to #RedSox on two-year deal. Just their sense.

  77. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    HW-

    I’m getting you you’re own show.

  78. mick December 11th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Why is Wei Yin Chen listed as a FA in the scrawl?

  79. mick December 11th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    mtu
    you would like the photography in Out of the Furnace.

  80. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Shame-

    Think about it.

    If he injures himself next year pitching for them he stands to loose 100 Million.

    If you were him would you take that chance ?

    That’s what I thought.

    ;)

  81. Shame Spencer December 11th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    MTU – It’s pretty simple: the choice belongs to the Eagles, not Tanaka. If they let him go, it’s an act of good will on their part and nothing more.

  82. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Mick-

    That would be an extra treat then.

  83. Shame Spencer December 11th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Not really surprised Drew will be back with the Sox. There hasn’t been a ton of chatter about him and other clubs.

  84. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Shame-

    They said they would honor his wishes.

    So the choice is Tanaka’s.

    He is going to want to be posted. He would be an idiot not to want to.

  85. DONNYBROOK December 11th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    So the Reds are after Gardner again? And offering Sean Marshal? NOPE

  86. mick December 11th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Yanks seem to have done their big splashes MTU.
    These guys left are playing hardball.
    Forget Tanaka.
    Maybe Infante.
    Slide K John over to 3rd.

  87. Shame Spencer December 11th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    @Buster_ESPN

    Mike Matheny made an emotional presentation to RulesCommittee today lobbying against plate collisions, about impact of his concussions.

    —————

    I’m still trying to figure out how this works practically.

  88. mick December 11th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Blake-
    How do you see CC adjusting.
    His velo isn’t coming back and he isn’t a finesse pitcher.

  89. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Mick-

    If KJ is our 3b who is our 2b ?

    You thinking we land Infante ?

  90. Shame Spencer December 11th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    MTU – Again, fully aware of what they said.. but to think they wouldn’t try to lean on their guy to stick around is a little naive IMO. Tanaka risks losing millions if he doesn’t post, the Eagles risk losing millions if he does.

  91. mick December 11th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Can see a reliever like Balfour or Benoit.
    Hal waiting for them to come down in price might be fatal.

  92. j9d December 11th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 11th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
    Under.

    The Mariners are the team that will offer Choo 9 years after hearing some team offered him 8 realizing it was the Mariners who offered him 8.
    —————————————————————

    This is pretty darn funny. Well said!

  93. mick December 11th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Maybe Infante.
    Slide K John over to 3rd.

  94. bigdan22 December 11th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    exiledintampa December 11th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
    Abe Vagoda on Barney Miller, “We got Bupkus.”

    ______

    “Can’t you get me off the hook, Tom? For old times’ sake. “

  95. DONNYBROOK December 11th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    This is getting like Little League with a “must slide” rule. Baloney. Catchers need to use the swipe tag if they fear getting mowed down. MLB is expanding replay in order to eliminate Umps blowing judgment calls. This catcher rule would be 1 more thing for Blue to screw up, and in this case it involves a run, not an out.

  96. mick December 11th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    If Infante plays ball with us , we will sign him, yes mtu.

  97. blake December 11th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    mick says:
    December 11, 2013 at 7:13 pm
    Blake-
    How do you see CC adjusting.
    His velo isn’t coming back and he isn’t a finesse pitcher.

    Same way Moose did and other pitchers have as they have aged…..same way Andy did.

    You have to locate better and change speeds more. CC is still left handed and he’s still 6’8″. He still should be able to create a great downward plane and good tilt on his slider if he can get back on top of it…..he was on the side of the ball a lot last year…..it affected his command and the sharpness of his slider and also caused his fastball to cut back over the plate to righties instead of staying on the outside corner.

    He will need to fix those issues and probably learn to utilize his very good CU more…..but I see no reason why he can’t figure out how to be good again…..he probably will never be the guy he used to be….but most pitchers don’t stay that guy forever

  98. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Shame-

    They can lean all they want and he is going to still ask to be posted.

    He would have to be the world’s biggest idiot to give in and risk losing that kind of money to an injury.

    Anyway. Let’s just agree to disagree and see what happens.

    ;)

  99. MTU December 11th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Mick-

    I hope he does then. He seems to want 4 yrs.

    Would we go there IYO ?

    4/32, for instance ?

  100. Yankee Trader December 11th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Infante’s agent wants four years, same agent that told teams that Anibal Sanchez was worth a big contract.

    Cashman- Is he even still in Orlando?

  101. AAA December 11th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    So the Reds are after Gardner again? And offering Sean Marshal? NOPE

    ================================

    If they’re offering Marshall, I’m not sure “after Gardner” is a great characterization of things.

  102. mick December 11th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    blake

    just seems like moose and andy were always more finesse than cc.
    cc depended so much on his velo and the variance in off speed off the FB.
    like i said, if he tops out at 89 and throws his slop at 84, well…not much difference.

  103. Yankee Trader December 11th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    New Post ——->

  104. mick December 11th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    I hope he does then. He seems to want 4 yrs.

    Would we go there IYO ?

    4/32, for instance ?
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