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Yankees front office reacts to Cano’s “respect” comments

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 13, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’m sure Robinson Cano said a lot of nice things about Seattle yesterday, but the only quote that’s getting any traction here in New York is this one:

“I didn’t feel respect (from the Yankees). I didn’t get respect from them and I didn’t see any effort.”

That lack of respect was a seven-year, $175-million contract suggestion that the Yankees made clear would be their best and final offer. Cano, for obvious reasons, went to Seattle for 10 years, $240 million.

Today at Yankee Stadium, as the team introduced Jacoby Ellsbury, it became clear that this is the offseason of Cano. No matter what the Yankees do the rest of this winter, it will all be seen through the lens of Cano’s contract and the Yankees decision to move on without going 10 years at more than $200 million. Whatever happens, good or bad, will be tied to the Cano situation.

Here are members of the Yankees front office responding to Cano’s “respect” comment.

Hal SteinbrennerHAL STEINBRENNER
“I don’t take it that personal. I was not disappointed. I’m a little surprised. There was nothing disrespectful about the last offer that was on the table, which was $25 for seven. I’m not quite sure why he feels that way, but it is what it is. … If I had to pick a word, I guess I would be able to pick surprised. Look, Robbie was a great Yankee. He’s a great player and we wish him all the best. He’s going to do great there and he’s going to be a big part of that organization. Bottom line with us was we never got close. We were always a significant distance apart.”

RANDY LEVINE
“First, let me say Robbie Cano was a great Yankee. In all my years, I thought Robbie Cano was a really good person and a good guy. I think he was very disappointed that he’s not a New York Yankee anymore. I think anybody would be disappointed when you leave the New York Yankees. We treated him with the utmost respect. We respect him to this day. We tried very hard to re-sign him. As I said the other day, we offered him $175 million for seven years, $25 million a year. If that’s not trying hard, I don’t know what trying hard is. To put it in context, an average annual value of $25 million, except for Alex Rodriguez and Justin Verlander, that’s the highest average annual salary in baseball. At $175 million, that’s right up there as one of the most lucrative contracts in all of baseball history.

“We just don’t believe our policy is for players over 30 years old, we don’t believe in 10 year contracts. They just have not worked out for us, they have not worked out — I believe – for the industry. When we signed Derek Jeter to a 10 year contract I believe he was 26. In that context it makes sense. If Mike Trout was here, I’d recommend the 10 year contract. But for people over 30, I don’t believe it makes sense. I don’t think Hal thinks it makes sense. We’re very clear about that. As far as Robbie goes, we really tried hard. Very competitive. We told all of his agents that. I understand his disappointment. This is the greatest sports franchise and organization in the world, but he made the decision I believe which you cannot blame him for. It’s a lot, a lot of money to go to Seattle for the money.

“That’s OK. Every one of us in our life no matter who you are has a decision to make, do I stay where I am and weigh that versus do I go to another opportunity for a lot of money. People understand that. That’s very reasonable. Nobody begrudges him. I respect him for making that decision. Seattle is a great city I have family there, it’s a great organization. The Mariners, and we wish him nothing but the best. We showed him nothing but respect. We tried as hard as we could to bring him back. He made the decision because he got a much better offer and we respect him for doing that.”

Brian CashmanBRIAN CASHMAN
“This is, I think, is my 17th year doing this, and six years as an assistant GM before that, so we’re used to pulling somebody from another team who grew up in another environment, who had a long, successful career there, and they come over here, and we’ve shown them the love financially speaking. And there’s a great warm feeling from all of that. And then there’s disappointment because the other team fell short, or fell short by a lot. Sometimes, the business of baseball can create some hard emotions I guess, but we loved Robbie and he’s a great player. We made an offer that we were comfortable with making, and it fell far short of where Seattle was.

“In terms of respect, they showed a lot more respect financially than we did. I think Seattle and the Yankees both agree on the type of player that he is. He’s a Hall of Fame caliber guy. He’s having an amazing career that we were fortunate to have while we had him. But at the same time, business is business. Everybody has to make tough decisions, and sometimes those decisions can feel personal, but there’s nothing personal about it. We all agree he’s a tremendous player, he’s a great person. We’d rather have him here than there, but we could not even come close to matching up on the financial side of it. And when you’re trying to do that, you can get confused on what is respect vs. a difference of opinion. It’s all good as far as I’m concerned. I wish him all the best. I don’t want to have to face him ever — but we will be facing him obviously when Seattle and us match up – because I know the damage that he does. We were fortunate to have him. I’m sorry that we don’t have him.

“But like every year, the team has changed. Talent comes and goes. So it’s our job to cushion the blow (of) losing him, and Jacoby Ellsbury is one piece of a puzzle that we’re still trying to put together so our fans can be proud in 2014 and beyond. We’ll see. But I wish him the best of luck. I can’t tell you anything more than good things about Robbie. I’m sorry he feels that way. I understand that that’s also usually a part of the process too when things don’t go the way you want them to go from both ends. Bouquets, bouquets, bouquets. I’ll throw him bouquets all he wants, but I couldn’t throw him 235 million dollars.”

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150 Responses to “Yankees front office reacts to Cano’s “respect” comments”

  1. Patrick December 13th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    “In terms of respect, they showed a lot more respect financially than we did.”

    Real talk

  2. raymagnetic December 13th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Was Levine sneakily putting a bug in Trout’s ear?

  3. luis December 13th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    luis December 13th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    Cano went to the FO two years ago to negotiate an extension…They said no, we don’t do extensions… It was the smart thing to do then ( a team friendly contract, more in line with Cano actual production and with less declining years on the back end ), and they refused…Again, I don’t blame the FO for not agreeing to that 10 year deal… I blame them for not extending him while they could, for not trading him if he wasn’t on the plans and for making an offer that was below his market value when it is put in to context with the market they were dealing with ( Ellsbury anyone?)

    Again, we lost him for nothing…What a great FO we have

  4. YankeeRay December 13th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Great point Luis. The non negotialble in contract philosophy bit us hard on this one as it cost us more money on Ells as well

  5. raymagnetic December 13th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Maybe 2 years ago he wanted a 12 year extension.

  6. raymagnetic December 13th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    They negotiated with CC before he opted out. You don’t know what Cano was asking for when he came to them “hat in hand.”

  7. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    raymagnetic says:
    December 13, 2013 at 3:57 pm
    Was Levine sneakily putting a bug in Trout’s ear?

    Of course….he’s really not supposed to make comments like that actually

  8. luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    YankeeRay December 13th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
    Great point Luis. The non negotialble in contract philosophy bit us hard on this one as it cost us more money on Ells as well

    =======================

    Again…If Ellsbury, which is a much lesser player than Cano is, got 21.8 mil per season…How much does Cano ( an anchor type player ) is worth?… Their first offer was just 1 mil more per year than Ells’s

    The result of their policy is that we don’t have Cano, we have no prospects, we have no draft picks and we are giving anchor player type money to a table setter player… Ellsbury better have a few more seasons with an 962 OPS, otherwise this contract has “Albatross” written all over it

  9. Patrick December 13th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Of course….he’s really not supposed to make comments like that actually

    Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him get fined.

  10. YankeeRay December 13th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    raymagnetic December 13th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
    Maybe 2 years ago he wanted a 12 year extension.

    Or maybe he wanted a 10 year which at that point would have made sense

  11. raymagnetic December 13th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    I actually love that he’s letting Trout know the Yanks have a 10 year contract for him.

    If he makes it to free agency he’s going to be the highest paid athlete ever.

  12. YankeeRay December 13th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Patrick December 13th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    Of course….he’s really not supposed to make comments like that actually

    Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him get fined.

    ——-
    Yeah there goes another 1st round draft pick

  13. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    I’m sure Levine was just using Trout as an example….but technically it is tampering to name names like that.

    Having said that…..if Trout was listening then it’s worth the fine!

  14. Barry December 13th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    There should be no blame attached to either side. Front office doesn’t do extensions — well, their policy. Cano was ungracious in his statement, guys of the executive suite, not at all. So, we see what happens in Seattle. My guess, and it will come out in time, Jay Z gave him wrongheaded guidance. On the other hand, who cares. He can hang out with Montero.

  15. luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Ray,

    2 years ago it would have made sense to give that 10 year deal he was looking for… Still, if they were worlds apart, they should have traded him… If Beltran’s trade got so much talent for a rental, imagine what Cano could have brought…At a time when our core was almost gone… Now we don’t have a core, we don’t have prospects and we don’t have the draft picks either…We lost him for nothing…Again very shortsighted, no matter how you want to look at it

  16. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Cashman makes a great point and I think it’s the reason so many rational fans are having a tough time with this – the Yankees do this to other clubs, it doesn’t get done to them.

    But they’re right – 10 year contracts haven’t worked out. They signed one and weren’t going to sign another one. It’s as simple as that.

  17. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    “If he makes it to free agency he’s going to be the highest paid athlete ever.”

    If he is still doing then what’s he’s doing now then he will get lord knows what

  18. raymagnetic December 13th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    YankeeRay,

    10 years 300 million makes sense?

    My point is he probably wanted a crazy extension even then. That’s the spin I’m putting on it anyway. 2 years ago he wanted a 12 year 300 million dollar contract.

  19. Patrick December 13th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    If he is still doing then what’s he’s doing now then he will get lord knows what

    15 years? 400 million?

  20. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    “If he makes it to free agency he’s going to be the highest paid athlete ever.”

    If he is still doing then what’s he’s doing now then he will get lord knows what
    ————

    Tiger Woods made $78 million last year…so no he’s not.

  21. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    I think the Yankees essentially let Cano go…..they can pay any amount pretty much for a player they need to if they really want to keep the player…….to me they basically drew a line in the sand that they had a pretty good idea he wasn’t going to cross and what happened happened.

  22. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    “Tiger Woods made $78 million last year…so no he’s not.”

    Well we are obviously talking about contractual money from the sport being played…..Tiger didn’t make that from winning golf tournaments primarily….Michael Jordan still makes more per year than probably anybody but tiger and he doesn’t play anymore.

  23. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    And Aaron Rogers had a base salary last year of $43 million.

  24. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Chip says:
    December 13, 2013 at 4:17 pm
    And Aaron Rogers had a base salary last year of $43 million.

    Total money trout will top any contract ever in 4 years if he doesn’t get hurt

  25. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Chip says:
    December 13, 2013 at 4:17 pm
    And Aaron Rogers had a base salary last year of $43 million.

    Total money trout will top any contract ever in 4 years if he doesn’t get hurt
    ————–

    And then Cano will turn to Jay Z and say “Hey man, I’m underpaid.”

  26. MG December 13th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Does someone have a copy of the letter, email or fax from Scott Boras that summarizes his request 2 years ago for a contract extension for Cano?

    All I could find was a NY Post article in late 2011 that Boras had contacted Cashman but there had been no conversation.

    If not you are just blowing smoke out of your butts because none of us knows anything about that conversation, if it happened at all.

  27. raymagnetic December 13th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Yes Chip, I’m definitely referring to the total contract.

    But I didn’t know a Tiger made 78 mil last year :shock:

  28. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Blake,

    I think the most telling thing Cashman said was that they tried to negotiate with Cano’s side, there was zero traction and so they kept the door open but all knew he was gone and that’s why they moved quickly on other players.

  29. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    It’s a very interesting list of highest paid athletes. Alex is the first baseball player listed and he’s 18th:

    http://www.forbes.com/athletes.....esc_search:

  30. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    “But I didn’t know a Tiger made 78 mil last year ”

    And that’s with him losing a ton of endorsements…..he made 122 million in 2009

  31. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    “I think the most telling thing Cashman said was that they tried to negotiate with Cano’s side, there was zero traction and so they kept the door open but all knew he was gone and that’s why they moved quickly on other players.”

    Yup they have known for awhile he was gone I think….which is why it was so dumb that they refused to trade him

  32. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    @PeteAbe: #Cubs have signed Ryan Kalish to a minor league deal. He re-unites with execs who drafted him.

  33. luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Chip,

    Cano wasn’t on the Yankees plans… If this is the case, why not trade him and get some talent in return?…My guess is that they didn’t want to deal with the PR nightmare that it would have meant… In the end, they want us to think that they are still about “WS or bust” … They aren’t, which I don’t necessarily disagree with…But they should act accordingly

  34. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    So I think most of us agree that the Yanks need to sign Tanaka plus either drew or Infante……but what are they gonna do with the pen? It’s something they could address during the season but it’s a real weakness right now.

  35. Irreverent Discourse December 13th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    They can’t/won’t sign Tanaka. I don’t understand where you think the money is coming from.

  36. Ys Guy December 13th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    hal’s ‘do’ looks as stupid as cano’s muttonchops….

  37. luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    MG,

    If the FO doesn’t discuss extensions and that was their answer…Why there should be a letter?..This could have happened in a single phone call

  38. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Reactions to the stuff today:

    1. If I am Mike Trout, I am NOT signing an extension because I know the Yankees are coming in a few years and he is from NJ. 10/300 easily. Show the man the RESPECT :)

    2. Jacoby Ellsbury’s wife is HOT

    3. I don’t like the Yankees front office clowns, but I agree with them that 25/yr and 7/175 is RESPECT. And I think most of us agree that going to 10 years with Cano would have been ridiculous given what we see with 10 yr contracts over 30 yr old.

    GIVE ME TROUT THOUGH at 10 years. Hell, at 27 years old, add an 11th year.

  39. Kelvin December 13th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Vernon Wells made $21M last year…insane.

  40. luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Blake,

    I think the BP can be addressed internally…That’s one of Girardi’s strengths…But Tanaka is a must have for the present and the future if you ask me…And they need to improve that iffy IF we currently have

  41. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Vernon Wells made $21M last year…insane.
    ___

    As long as the Yankees weren’t the ones paying it to him I am ok.

  42. Ys Guy December 13th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    i was encouraged by hal saying there was more to be done today, i think the 189 is dead but they’re trying not to be crazy with the ‘fill in’ contracts they intend to sign.

    i’ve always maintained that they’d go over to get tanaka, that doesnt mean they’ll automatically outbid everyone else, just that the 189 won’t limit what they can offer him.

    im worried about the ‘one dumb owner’ out there, so i hope he gets posted next week so there’s still time for a plan b.

  43. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Irreverent Discourse says:
    December 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm
    They can’t/won’t sign Tanaka. I don’t understand where you think the money is coming from.

    Hals bank account? They are already so close to 189 (and already over when you count Arod) that I think they will go over ….if they don’t then everything they have done was pretty counter productive

  44. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    And regarding Tanaka, some people here are so reactive.
    Again, Hal said he would ONLY stay at 189 IF he could field a winning team.
    Tanaka has been a big target for them all long and they will go after him.
    They will likely need to do at least 6/90 to get him now, but i think they will still offer their $20M, and give themselves a shot at negotiating with him.

    Darvish should be mad, he could have gotten a lot more money if these new rules were in place.

  45. mnmboys December 13th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    I don’t fault the FO for not re-negotiating before a contract plays out. A player can get hurt or his statistics can suddenly decrease. Trying to think of some examples but lets say they extended an AJ Burnett. The guy ends up sucking a year later and now you are stuck with him. Lets say they extended a Phil Hughes after an 18 win season….. Or a Chen Ming Wang after back to back 19 wins seasons. It maybe a safer bet to extend a position player like the Mets did with David Wright but bottom line there is risk. They offered Cano more money per year than anyone and they probably underestimated Cano’s desire to stay in pinstripes. In hindsight they should have traded him for something but that really would have sent a bad message to the fan base. In my eyes the Yanks look like the good guys and Cano looks bad. His comments yesterday make him look even worse.

  46. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    I think the BP can be addressed internally…That’s one of Girardi’s strengths…But Tanaka is a must have for the present and the future if you ask me…And they need to improve that iffy IF we currently have”

    Yes it’s a strength of Girardi’s….but it’s ait easier when you have #42 out there….that’s a big safety bet for everybody.

    I think they need at least one more established reliever to pair with D rob out there

  47. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    “Darvish should be mad, he could have gotten a lot more money if these new rules were in place.”

    If Darvish was a FA now after proving himself ….man he might get 200 mill

  48. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Chip,

    Cano wasn’t on the Yankees plans… If this is the case, why not trade him and get some talent in return?…My guess is that they didn’t want to deal with the PR nightmare that it would have meant… In the end, they want us to think that they are still about “WS or bust” … They aren’t, which I don’t necessarily disagree with…But they should act accordingly
    ——————–

    I don’t think it’s a question of him “not being in the Yankees plans” I think the Yankees would have loved to re-sign him and wanted to give themselves every chance to do that. But when push came to shove this month and Cano’s team still hadn’t budged the Yankees had to move on.

  49. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    @BillShaikin: MLB plans to investigate #Yankees president Randy Levine’s comments about #Angels Mike Trout to see if they consititute tampering.

  50. Patrick December 13th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    blake, I think the pen is in an ok state. Robertson, Kelley, Claiborne, Cabral, one of Phelps/Nuno/Marshall/Warren isn’t a bad start. Maybe Betances or Montgomery. Burawa looks like a legitimate reliever in the near(ish) future. In general I think it’s easy to develop and find bullpen arms. Kelley was on nobody’s radar last year but he ended up being pretty valuable. I could see Cashman picking up 1 or 2 other guys similar to Kelley off the scrap heap during spring training. Maybe I’m getting overconfident after so many years of Mo, so I reserve the right to disavow this post in the future.

    If we are going over 189 though, maybe Benoit is an option?

  51. sammiejohnson December 13th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Bill Shaikin ?@BillShaikin 48s
    MLB plans to investigate #Yankees president Randy Levine’s comments about #Angels Mike Trout to see if they consititute tampering.

  52. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Patrick,
    Meh….sketchy after DRob….might be good ….might be terrible….but yea it’s not the biggest concern at the moment

  53. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    In my eyes the Yanks look like the good guys and Cano looks bad. His comments yesterday make him look even worse.
    ___

    His comments were ridiculous.
    He sounded so phony too.
    I know people can’t just come out and say they came there because it was the most money, but come on Robbie.
    On and on about Seattle being a great place to play and they wanted him from the beginning. As of 12 hours before he signed, it sounded like they didn’t actually want to pay him what he asked so it doesn’t sound like they wanted that deal from the beginning.

    Also, to whine about being disrespected when you were offered 25 a year 7/175 is a way to get yourself the A-Rod treatment when you come back…..

  54. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    So I think most of us agree that the Yanks need to sign Tanaka plus either drew or Infante……but what are they gonna do with the pen? It’s something they could address during the season but it’s a real weakness right now.
    —————-

    The money Boone Logan got is insane and probably going to blow out bringing in a LOOGY like Ollie Perez.

    I also wouldn’t touch Rodney or Benoit at $10/year.

    I’m honestly fine with Claiborne, Kelly and Betances setting up for Robertson. Carlos Marmol had a pretty nice bounce back with the Dodgers after a brutal start with the Cubs if you wanted to go that route. He’s a guy with some experience in case Robertson can’t handle the 9th.

  55. luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Blake,

    If Logan got 3/15…How much a Benoit type would cost?… The way I see it, the market is so crazy that perhaps is better to go with the hot hand and have a rotating BP?

  56. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    @BillShaikin: MLB plans to investigate #Yankees president Randy Levine’s comments about #Angels Mike Trout to see if they consititute tampering.

    ___

    Oh please.

    The point was about the age.

    Plus he is 4 years away from free agency.

    Another example of MLB finding any way to try to hurt the Yankees.

  57. luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Chip December 13th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
    luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Chip,

    Cano wasn’t on the Yankees plans… If this is the case, why not trade him and get some talent in return?…My guess is that they didn’t want to deal with the PR nightmare that it would have meant… In the end, they want us to think that they are still about “WS or bust” … They aren’t, which I don’t necessarily disagree with…But they should act accordingly
    ——————–

    I don’t think it’s a question of him “not being in the Yankees plans” I think the Yankees would have loved to re-sign him and wanted to give themselves every chance to do that. But when push came to shove this month and Cano’s team still hadn’t budged the Yankees had to move on.

    ==========================

    It hurt us in the end…No prospects and no draft picks… This is a pill very hard to swallow

  58. yankinvegas December 13th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Bullpens are always fluid and other than Rivera, most of these guys go up and down. I’d like to trade with Philly for Papalbon. He’s crazy, but I have felt for years that he eventually would find hi way to the Bronx. The Yanks have been obsessed with Cliff Lee for years, and I think they we will get him if we don’t get Tanaka.
    Infante will probably lower hi demands and I see him on the field for us on April 1 in Houston.
    As for Cano, almost all professional athletes have no conception of the money they make vis a vis the normal population. Cano is no different. Basically, who cares what he says as none of us can relate to it anyway. Seattle gave him 65 million dollars more of “respect” Fine, I hope he has a great career, but he better be prepared the have the crap booed out of him in Yankee Stadium.

  59. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Blake,

    If Logan got 3/15…How much a Benoit type would cost?… The way I see it, the market is so crazy that perhaps is better to go with the hot hand and have a rotating BP?
    ——————-

    Benoit says he is looking for $10 per year.

  60. Irreverent Discourse December 13th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    blake they aren’t actually “that” close, the tracker you guys referenced on RAB is wrong. It includes $13mil in bonuses that are not going to be paid to A-Rod or Jeter.

    After a 2B/3B and a 5th starter they are basically done though.

    … but I feel like this is Darvish 2.0, and it is going to require a massive (overpaid) contract to land Tanaka. The only thing the new posting system gets you is “in the room” so to speak.

  61. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Yea I think maybe the yanks may have to just try to solve their pen issues in house and then trade for something if they have to …..the prices are nuts

  62. luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Levine used Trout to give context to his comment…Not tampering intended I think…But he should have refrained from using any names… “A mid 20′s anchor player type could get a 10 year deal” or something along those lines would have sufficed…Not very smart from his part though

  63. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    As for Cano, almost all professional athletes have no conception of the money they make vis a vis the normal population. Cano is no different. Basically, who cares what he says as none of us can relate to it anyway. Seattle gave him 65 million dollars more of “respect” Fine, I hope he has a great career, but he better be prepared the have the crap booed out of him in Yankee Stadium.

    ___

    And I remember him crying and whining about the lineup when everyone was hurt last year and the excuses for his lower production.

    That will be the next 10 years for him….

  64. Ys Guy December 13th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    “mnmboys December 13th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    I don’t fault the FO for not re-negotiating before a contract plays out.”
    ============================================
    i didnt want to copy the whole thing. your point about the risk involved in extensions is all true, but you have to look at the other side of the equation. there is alot of money savings that can be realized when you do extend a player.

    had david wright been an f/a this offseason, he may have gotten as much as $75M more than what he signed the extention for. on top of that, when negotiationg an extension the club has more leverage and while they’re going to pay alot to retain a player, it will be for less money and less dollars thatn it would cost otherwise. and there is certainty, you know the player, you know how he fits your system and you have already been building around that player.

    had they negotiated an 8 year extension for cano 2 years ago for say $23M, they’d now have him under contract for 6 years/ $138M left in a contract that takes him to age 37.

    im not saying that he would have agreed to an extension, but if he were open to it, i think that’s probably close to what he would have gotten.

    you have to look at both sides of the equation to figure out which is most beneficial.

  65. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Chip December 13th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
    luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Chip,

    Cano wasn’t on the Yankees plans… If this is the case, why not trade him and get some talent in return?…My guess is that they didn’t want to deal with the PR nightmare that it would have meant… In the end, they want us to think that they are still about “WS or bust” … They aren’t, which I don’t necessarily disagree with…But they should act accordingly
    ——————–

    I don’t think it’s a question of him “not being in the Yankees plans” I think the Yankees would have loved to re-sign him and wanted to give themselves every chance to do that. But when push came to shove this month and Cano’s team still hadn’t budged the Yankees had to move on.

    ==========================

    It hurt us in the end…No prospects and no draft picks… This is a pill very hard to swallow
    ——————–

    Technically it did net the Yankees a prospect. Barring the signing of another compensation free agent the Yankees have their 2nd round pick – which would have been sacrificed if not for the compensation round pick they got for Cano.

    End of the day, crap happens. You think the Braves fans are happy that they lost McCann and all they’re getting is a draft pick?

  66. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Levine used Trout to give context to his comment…Not tampering intended I think…But he should have refrained from using any names… “A mid 20?s anchor player type could get a 10 year deal” or something along those lines would have sufficed…Not very smart from his part though

    ___

    True but he isn’t a very smart dude anyway.

  67. yankinvegas December 13th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    One more thing. MLB in all of their “investigations” on tampering has NEVER found anyway guilty, to the best of my knowledge.
    So nothing will happen.
    But if by some miracle, MLB says that Levine tampered with Angels” property, it will, in my opinion, be only the latest example of the hatred that Bud Selig and his small market, small minded band of merrymen feel towards the New York Yankees.

  68. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    “blake they aren’t actually “that” close, the tracker you guys referenced on RAB is wrong. It includes $13mil in bonuses that are not going to be paid to A-Rod or Jeter”

    Nah it doesn’t count anything for Arod and for Jeter he discounted the MVP bonus at the end.

    They are at about 180 without Arod and not counting Jeters MVP bonus

  69. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    …hal is cutting it pretty close if it’s all down to tanaka.

    ___

    How do you figure?

    Garza is still out there.
    So is Ubaldo Jimenez.
    And trades…

    Not that i want to give either of those guys a 5 year contract, but they are still out there.

  70. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    They are at about 180 without Arod and not counting Jeters MVP bonus

    ___

    I think we are safe assuming Jeter will not win another MVP award.

  71. blake December 13th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    I think we are safe assuming Jeter will not win another MVP award.”

    Correct….so they have about 9 millionish more they can spend

  72. Irreverent Discourse December 13th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    blake – You might want to go read it again. It also assumes full pay increases for every arb eligible player.

    They are at ~171 right now. $145mil in contracts, 14 mil in arb contracts (which should be high), and 12 mil in “other”.

    I am assuming A-Rod is not playing next year because… I don’t see why he would be.

    Still, this doesn’t change the fact that you are posting $20mil for Tanaka, and then have to sign him for over 100mil over 6 years? This is exactly the kind of overpaying that we don’t want this FO to start thinking about.

  73. luis December 13th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Benoit says he is looking for $10 per year.

    ==================

    See?…Crazy… I rather go get an IF or a SP for that kind of money…He has averaged 1.1 WAR in his career…Granted he had a 2,8 WAR last season, but he is not MO who averaged 2+ WAR and had several seasons over 3

  74. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    And I think if the Yankees decide they are NOT going to trade Gardner, they should offer an extension NOW.

    Makes no sense to lose him next year for nothing, if they believe he is so good he shouldn’t be traded for Phillips or something else….

    I would NOT mind Ellsbury and Gardner patrolling the OF for the next 5 years.
    I worry about both after that.

    Plus I am hoping that Williams, Austin or Heathcott make it…

  75. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Still, this doesn’t change the fact that you are posting $20mil for Tanaka, and then have to sign him for over 100mil over 6 years? This is exactly the kind of overpaying that we don’t want this FO to start thinking about.

    ___

    The ‘posting’ doesn’t count toward the luxury tax unless i missed where they changed that.

  76. Ys Guy December 13th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    many yankees fans are delusional about bud selig’s relationship with the ny yankees.

    george was heavily involved with bud becoming commissioner in the first place, and while george did often complain to the press about what mlb was doing, he backed bud consistently.

    hal has followed in dad’s footprints, he approved the changes in LT and revenue sharing penalties that would ultimately affect the yankees more than any other team (to this point anyway)

  77. sammiejohnson December 13th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    uis December 13th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Levine used Trout to give context to his comment…Not tampering intended I think…But he should have refrained from using any names… “A mid 20?s anchor player type could get a 10 year deal” or something along those lines would have sufficed…Not very smart from his part though

    _____________________________________

    Not very smart is an understatement. And, technically, I think this could be the very definition of tampering. The Angels could argue that they now have a very much worse chance of signing their player to an extension because the Yankees have told him through the press that they will give him a ten year contract. Levine never seems very smart about stuff like this.

  78. Mottsx December 13th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Barry Zito a possible option on a 1 year contract? He could come cheap being he’s already making money from his buy out from the Giants. Maybe 1 year 3M? on top of his buy out makes it 1/10. Thoughts?

  79. Irreverent Discourse December 13th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    ac1 – it doesn’t count against it, but it still comes out of their pocket. What it also doesn’t do is grant you exclusive negotiating rights anymore, which is going to further push Tanaka’s contract beyond a reasonable free agent signing.

  80. Jerkface December 13th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    beyond a reasonable free agent signing.

    He is 25 years old, pay him.

  81. Ys Guy December 13th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    glad to see many are starting to jump on the ‘extend gardner’ train. as i’ve been saying for a few weeks now, it would be an extremely smart move.

    brett has not made a ton of money to this point, so a nice guaranteed amount for the next 3 years might be more appealing to him than playing this year out and taking his chances on the fa market. he’d make alot more by waiting, but he may well prefer the bird in the hand to the one in the bush.

  82. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    ac1 – it doesn’t count against it, but it still comes out of their pocket. What it also doesn’t do is grant you exclusive negotiating rights anymore, which is going to further push Tanaka’s contract beyond a reasonable free agent signing.
    __

    Agreed.
    This is why I think the Yankees would need to do at least 15M/yr, instead of the 10-12 DiceK and Darvish got.

  83. luis December 13th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Y’s…Excellent post about extensions

  84. jmills December 13th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Its been a happy baseball week for me. Roy Halladay signed a one day contract with, Toronto, and then his partner came out in appreciation of their time here. Halladay spoke out about Pat hentgen helping him. Roy, although Sirs David Stieb and Tom Cheek are the #1 Blue Jays up here, you were arguably the greatest magical talent.Fantastique that you want to work with my team henceforth. I’m overjoyed, let’s get Dustin McGowan back splitting hairs :D

  85. Jerkface December 13th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Infact I’d argue that guys like Darvish and Tanaka are exactly the type of players the Yankees should be overpaying, if anyone. Young talent otherwise acquirable by the team without trading other assets.

  86. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Not very smart is an understatement. And, technically, I think this could be the very definition of tampering. The Angels could argue that they now have a very much worse chance of signing their player to an extension because the Yankees have told him through the press that they will give him a ten year contract. Levine never seems very smart about stuff like this.

    ___

    I think the Angels are the resin the Angels have no chance of signing him in FA.
    There is NO explanation that Trout will accept that he is making 500K, given he has been nearly MVP two straight years and his numbers are ridiculous.
    Speaking of disrespecting players.

  87. jmills December 13th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Oops, when it comes to magic, I forgot to mention that pivotal position playa’, Alomar!!!

  88. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    *Reason

  89. Yes You McCann December 13th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    There are multiple things I will comment on regarding to Cano:

    First, he says no effort. If that’s not the pot calling the kettle black.

    Second, we can thank Cashman, as always. Playing hardball with a player and showing the player respect are not mutually exclusive. A negotiation such as this should involve both. Unfortunately, Cashman doesn’t respect himself, let alone anyone else. Because we allowed Cashman to maintain his GM job, he very well may have cost us a HOF player for 5-8 more great years.

    Lastly, we can blame this on Jeter. For 2 reasons.

    1. I understand the sentiment that nobody should have to sell the Yankees to any player, let alone a current Yankee that’s played for the franchise for several seasons. However, Jeter makes no effort to be a salesman to help our ballclub recruit any players. He’s the leader of the team, it’s incumbent upon him to assist in the recruitment of players.

    2. Cano says he didn’t want to wonder if he’d have a job when he’s 38. This leads straight back to Jeter. If Jeter hadn’t extracted every last penny he could squeeze from the Steinbrenners’ wallets a few years ago, with the whole saga being dragged through the press, maybe Cano doesn’t feel this way. In addition to having made enough money in his career already, he should have had no leverage, but he extracted every last droplet of blood.

  90. luis December 13th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Jerkface December 13th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
    Infact I’d argue that guys like Darvish and Tanaka are exactly the type of players the Yankees should be overpaying, if anyone. Young talent otherwise acquirable by the team without trading other assets.

    ======================

    This…

  91. blake December 13th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    blake – You might want to go read it again. It also assumes full pay increases for every arb eligible player.”

    Well that’s how you have to estimate this stuff…..

  92. sammiejohnson December 13th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    I think the Angels are the resin the Angels have no chance of signing him in FA.
    There is NO explanation that Trout will accept that he is making 500K, given he has been nearly MVP two straight years and his numbers are ridiculous.
    Speaking of disrespecting players.

    _________________________________________

    That’s not really the issue though. MLB has rules in place to prevent opposing teams from making comments about any certain players and their contract status. That Levine did just that, it just isn’t very wise.

  93. Wave Your Hat December 13th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    I think blaming Cano’s departure on Jeter is a bit of a stretch.

  94. Yes You McCann December 13th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Jerkface December 13th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
    Infact I’d argue that guys like Darvish and Tanaka are exactly the type of players the Yankees should be overpaying, if anyone. Young talent otherwise acquirable by the team without trading other assets.
    —-

    If you mean FAs, yes. But neither Darvish nor Tanaka were guaranteed to succeed in MLB. If a team wants to take a chance overpaying on Darvish because of how highly regarded he was, okay, but Tanaka isn’t as highly regarded as Darvish.

  95. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    I agree Levine is an idiot.
    But to say the Angels can blame the Yankees if they can’t sign Trout in the next 4 years is a cop out.

  96. blake December 13th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    If you estimate on the low side of things then you could wind up screwed in the end …..sure if things break their way then the may be a little less than 180….but with regards to how you have to budget if you actually want to get under the cap then I think 180 is a pretty accurate number.

    Either way they are pretty close now…..

  97. Ys Guy December 13th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    thanks luis!

    76 in caracas, im jelous…..

  98. jmills December 13th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Hell, I wish Rogers had brought Cano here. Bat AND glove at second, so hard to find. I do hope rapid locating Ryan Goins can make a go of it.

  99. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Wave Your Hat December 13th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    I think blaming Cano’s departure on Jeter is a bit of a stretch.
    ———————-

    There’s no one to blame. If you wanted to make a case for anyone I suppose you could say that the Yankees felt burned by Alex’s contract and didn’t want to get into that again…but even that’s a stretch since the Yankees know that no players are the same.

    It.
    Just.
    Happens.

  100. blake December 13th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    And again if Arod isn’t suspended the entire season they are probably already over

  101. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    He was worried about having a job at 38?
    He would have been 175 Mil richer and if he was still worth anything, he would have been able to sign with a team after that.

    And to blame Cashman for Cano leaving?
    I don’t even want to get into that one other than to say that is just someone who doesn’t like Cashman because there is no basis for that stupid comment.

  102. blake December 13th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    If they sign Tanaka and Drew and get a little pen help then Id almost call them the best team in the AL on paper

  103. bigdan22 December 13th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    @BillShaikin: MLB plans to investigate #Yankees president Randy Levine’s comments about #Angels Mike Trout to see if they consititute tampering

    __________

    Didn’t I call this about 5 minutes after it happened?

    Back in the old days when this happened punishment was pretty inconsistent. It was handed out by the Commissioner and it depended a lot on who the parties were and what he thought about the person doing the tampering. How the injured party felt and whether they made a big stink of it usually mattered too. If I’m the Angels, I’m all over this. I want compensation. Trout is a pretty special and sensitive case for them. Who’s to say this won’t affect how he approaches an extension with the Angels?

    What a dummy.

  104. Wave Your Hat December 13th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    “If you wanted to make a case for anyone I suppose you could say that the Yankees felt burned by Alex’s contract and didn’t want to get into that again…but even that’s a stretch since the Yankees know that no players are the same. ”

    No, that’s not a stretch at all. Fighting the last war is a common organizational failing.

    Not saying they should have gone 10 years on Cano. But the team’s refusal to do it had a lot to do with ARod’s contract, IMO.

  105. luis December 13th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    es You McCann December 13th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
    Jerkface December 13th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
    Infact I’d argue that guys like Darvish and Tanaka are exactly the type of players the Yankees should be overpaying, if anyone. Young talent otherwise acquirable by the team without trading other assets.
    —-

    If you mean FAs, yes. But neither Darvish nor Tanaka were guaranteed to succeed in MLB. If a team wants to take a chance overpaying on Darvish because of how highly regarded he was, okay, but Tanaka isn’t as highly regarded as Darvish.

    =====================

    Sorry to cut in..But Tanaka has a WHIP of 1. also keeps the ball in the park with that splitter of his…He may not be able to keep his WHIP around 1 in the bigs…But I am sure it could be around 2+ which is still very, very good.. Plus he is only 25, which means there is plenty of room for improvement…Lastly, IMO every extension, every FA signing involves a certain amount of risk…Even those that currently play in the MLB…So I think his upside out weights the risks

  106. blake December 13th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    If Randy Levine planted a seed in trouts head it was probAbaly worth any fine

  107. Barry December 13th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Roy Halladay has a wife, Yes? Not a partner…?

  108. Yes You McCann December 13th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    There’s a lot of blame to go around. Cashman, ownership, Jay Z, Cano, Jeter. Negotiating through the media to lower the cost of a player is one example of no respect.

  109. Wave Your Hat December 13th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    “If Randy Levine planted a seed in trouts head it was probAbaly worth any fine”

    I’m sure it has never entered Trout’s mind that he will be a valuable free agent commodity…

  110. BIG AL December 13th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    I simply cannot understand folks here. One day you complain that these huge contracts, for multiple years, is what’s keeping the Yankees from making the moves necessary to improve the team. When they offer Cano $25M for 7 years, then the Yankees are the bad guys, that’s $1M more per year than he signed for, Hey Robbie, how is that disrespect? I loved Robbie, but, what so many are saying here in support of him is flat out wrong! Even CC said Cano thought more about the money than what it meant to remain a Yankee.

    You can’t have it both ways, on one hand saying the Yankees should not hand out those terrible long term contracts, but, when the Yankees offered to pay him $25M to age 37, they are wrong. As I said, I love Robbie, but he made a decision that getting paid to age 41, when he knows in his heart he will be over paid for a player that age, then to me he was the one showing disrespect to the fans that showed him love and support, and did not factor in what it would mean being a lifetime NY Yankee.

    I have news for you Robbie, You disrespected the Yankees, you disrespected your teammates, and worse of all, you disrespected your adoring fans.

  111. Yes You McCann December 13th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    ARod’s contract, too.

  112. jmills December 13th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    blake, Rogers as a ton of money, and should bloody well sign Tanaka, if only to block u guys :D

  113. luis December 13th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Ys Guy December 13th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
    thanks luis!

    76 in caracas, im jelous…..

    ======================

    trust me…Don’t be…Our weather is about the only thing we have on our side down here ;)

  114. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Wave Your Hat December 13th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    “If you wanted to make a case for anyone I suppose you could say that the Yankees felt burned by Alex’s contract and didn’t want to get into that again…but even that’s a stretch since the Yankees know that no players are the same. ”

    No, that’s not a stretch at all. Fighting the last war is a common organizational failing.

    Not saying they should have gone 10 years on Cano. But the team’s refusal to do it had a lot to do with ARod’s contract, IMO.
    —————-

    Not just Arod’s though. Pujols, Fielder, Alex…the deals haven’t worked out. Maybe this one does; but I have no problem with the Yankees not biting.

  115. BIG AL December 13th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    luis -

    A WHIP of 2 is very bad.

  116. bigdan22 December 13th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    “If Randy Levine planted a seed in trouts head it was probAbaly worth any fine”

    Exactly Blake. You should be the Angels’ General Counsel on this one. That’s why you won’t settle for anything less than the Yanks forfeiting to the Angels a future first round draft pick.

  117. Ys Guy December 13th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    trout is going to get at least a 10 year contract, maybe 12 or 15 years even. and there are probably 10 or more teams who would be more than happy to sign him to one. so lets not make like levine said anything that everybody didnt already know.

    i hate the guy, so i hope he gets personally suspended from baseball. but that would be a ridiculous over reaction to stating the obvious.

  118. jmills December 13th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Barry, hi, I use the term partner, because I like the neutral sound of it. I also like, consort. I have a bit of a problem when guys say ” the wife “, as I think it implies ownership.

  119. Jerkface December 13th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    I simply cannot understand folks here. One day you complain that these huge contracts, for multiple years, is what’s keeping the Yankees from making the moves necessary to improve the team.

    I think you’re falling prey to the lohud fallacy. Are you sure the people that are complaining about the Yankees not retaining Cano are the same as those who railed against long term contracts? And secondly, are you sure you’re not looking at the context of comments?

    For example, I could correctly state that the Yankees long term contracts are hindering their attempts to get below 189 while also thinking that getting below 189 itself is a waste of time. In which case I don’t really care about the long term contracts.

  120. Wave Your Hat December 13th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    “Maybe this one does; but I have no problem with the Yankees not biting.”

    I think what we have, Chip, at the prices these auctions for top tier free agents are fetching, is a perfect example of the “winner’s curse”.

  121. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Exactly Blake. You should be the Angels’ General Counsel on this one. That’s why you won’t settle for anything less than the Yanks forfeiting to the Angels a future first round draft pick.

    ___

    They can have the pick, we can have Trout.
    I’ll take it.

  122. luis December 13th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Big Al,

    If you are talking about my posts, please I beg you to read them again…And yes, I don’t blame them for not giving that crazy contract…But I do blame them for not getting the most out of that situation…They could have extended him, they could have traded him or at the very worst they could have had the supplemental pick…My beef is that we lost him for nothing ( and please don’t tell me that we still have the second round pick )

    They didn’t handle the negotiations very well… 7 years at 25 mil sound like a lot of money in a vacuum…But when you put in the context of this crazy market it isn’t…Again, if Ellsbury gets paid 21.8 mil per season, and he is a much lesser player, how much does Cano is worth?

  123. jmills December 13th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Big Al, not having any Big Money meself, I just get lost in it all, to the point #’s don’t mean anything.

  124. Ys Guy December 13th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    there is no blame anywhere for cano.
    another team valued him higher than the yankees did and offered significantly more money to him
    the yankees declined to come close to that offer.
    cano took that offer.

    thats the way the ball bounces. there’s no fault anywhere in my eyes.

    in approximately 8 years we’ll know who was right.

    now he’s a mariner, later dude.

    now about the big papi muttonchops, that’s all cano’s fault.

  125. luis December 13th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Big Al,

    I made a mistake…I meant to say 1.2 WHIP. which it isn’t very bad at all… But thanks for bringing it to my attention ;)

  126. BIG AL December 13th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    luis -

    Perhaps you were thinking of Tanaka’s ERA, which was 1.27, his WHIP was 0.943, he threw 212 innings, and allowed only 0.3 HR/9

    This young man is worth every penny the Yankees need to spend to get him, I predict he’ll be the ACE of the staff. That is, if he’s posted, and if the Yankess are lucky enough to sign him.

  127. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    I said it a couple of weeks ago and it seems worth repeating.

    As fans our greatest complaints with the Yankees over the few years have been:

    1. Bargain bin shopping for some players.
    2. Moving at a glacial pace when it comes to player transactions.
    3. Marginalizing the offensive side of the catcher position.
    4. Bidding against themselves.
    5. Failure to make moves on multiple fronts at the same time.
    6. Putting a one dimensional lineup on the field
    7. Failed to address their bench

    This offseason is not even 2 months old and they’ve done a lot to address those issues.

    They’ve moved quickly and decisively on high level free agents in multiple areas of need. Addressed their catcher position, brought in players who create a much more complete and dynamic offensive team with their approaches at the plate and on the bases, deepened their bench and they’re still not done.

    Yes, losing Cano sucks. He’s a dynamic player at a difficult position to find dynamic players and he’s still in his prime. It’s not something that we, as Yankee fans are used to. The last time a player we wanted to keep didn’t stay it was Andy Petttitte going to Houston.

    We’ll get over it. You don’t replace Cano, you just use the assets that you would have spent on him to build yourself up in other spots. Not having 25 million on the books to Cano next year might make them a player for Kershaw. Maybe it frees them up to pursue a midseason trade for Chase Headley and sign him long term if the trade price comes down.

    The bottom line is that in no way does it mean the 2014 season is over. Do the Yankees have work to do? Yes, management said as much today and I think they’re just waiting for a few issues (Tanaka, Drew, Diaz, maybe even Choo) to sort themselves out a bit.

  128. Ys Guy December 13th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    “This young man is worth every penny the Yankees need to spend to get him”
    ============================================
    blank check contract, eh?

  129. jmills December 13th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

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  130. Chip December 13th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    By the way – when I say “moved quickly and decisively on high level free agents” that also means Cano. They looked at how negotiations were going and didn’t let themselves get tunnel vision trying to work something out there while other players were coming off the board.

    That’s something Brian didn’t do last year.

  131. luis December 13th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Big Al,

    Yes he has that incredibly good WHIP in Japan…I was thinking how it would translate in to the bigs…So a 1,2 WHIP which is worse than what he has in Japan is still top of the rotation IMO…I don’t use ERA because I think WHIP is much more closer to what the pitcher is really all about…ERA doesn’t always reflect it

  132. bigdan22 December 13th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Like I said, I think a lot of this could depend on how the Angels take this. If they don’t think it’s a big deal, then I don’t think Selig should go crazy either. I hope Hal has a nice relationship with Moreno. He should call him up and say, “hey buddie, we owe you one.” Afterall, baseball is something like a gentleman’s club.

    But if the Angels make a fuss, a fine would not be appropriate. Fining the Yanks makes no sense at all. You have to set compensation. Draft picks make the most sense. A one would be excessive. Maybe a three or four. Either way, you can let this kind of stuff happen.

    Levine and Cano should star in the next “Dumb and Dumber” movie.

  133. Yes You McCann December 13th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Cano is a jerk. A lazy, disrespectful jerk.

  134. hardwired7 December 13th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    I hope they post Tanaka. I hate to think of what Rakuten will do to that right shoulder if they have another year or two with him.

    I obviously hope the Yankees pull out all the stops and sign him, but even if they don’t, I want to see what this guy has. It was the same thing with Darvish, and watching him pitch is what makes baseball fun.

  135. luis December 13th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    now about the big papi muttonchops, that’s all cano’s fault.

    =======================

    In deed! ;)

  136. BIG AL December 13th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    YS Guy -

    No, not a blank check, but, they would have to beat out other teams, using the numbers other ACE’s are being paid as a guideline. I could see him getting a contract in the range of $18M to $22M per/10, which would put him at age 35.

    If I were his agent, I would not want a contract longer than 5 years, in the hope of 1 huge last contract at age 30, JMHO.

  137. luis December 13th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Levine and Cano should star in the next “Dumb and Dumber” movie.

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    LOL!! I actually thought to post something about that this thing looked like a non comical version of “Dumb and dumber”….I don’t know who’s who though

  138. Yes You McCann December 13th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Cano should have stayed with Boras. Boras would have gotten him more money, guaranteed, and from a better team, too.

    Cano went to Jay Z to diversify his market profile. You would think that the music mogul and media icon Jay Z would understand that the best way to do that is in New York, not Seattle.

    While Scott Boras created 400 page books detailing every single accomplishment and benefit to a team signing his client, the best Jay Z could manufacture was a T-shirt with “Hello Cano.”

  139. luis December 13th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    One more thing…I thought both the Yankees FO and Cano have acted dumb…That’s what I meant

  140. jmills December 13th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Cano, wish you were here.

  141. Irreverent Discourse December 13th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    “Not having 25 million on the books to Cano next year might make them a player for Kershaw.”

    Kershaw is a lot like Felix, 25 and already 1000 innings on his arm. I love the dude, I’ve been riding his success in my dynasty league for 3 years now… but he’s going to get an astronomical amount of money, years, and doctor bills.

  142. bigdan22 December 13th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    And if you change the title to “Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest” you could add Manfred to the cast. The three of them could fight it out for the lead. I’d vote for Manfred.

  143. Yes You McCann December 13th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Jay Z didn’t buy a stake in the Milwaukee Bucks. He bought stake in the Brooklyn Nets, because he understood that New York means something to your profile. Instead, he shipped off Cano to the Pacific NorthNowhere, just to prove he could get the most money. However, it’s a certainty that Boras would’ve gotten Cano more money.

  144. mick December 13th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Yanks will certainly overpay for FA’s as they have now and will in the future…..Trout.

    Face the fact that Cano was not one they wanted to overpay for.

    Maybe that’s why he felt he was disrespected….

  145. jmills December 13th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    If I had 25 mill for the next season, I’d buy the best sports car that is allowed on the road. Then, I’d call up Jacques Villeneuve and pay him whatever to teach me how to drive it.

  146. ac1 December 13th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Infante going to KC.

  147. bigdan22 December 13th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Cano claims a $175MM contract is a sign of disrespect, Leving publically offers Trout a 10 year contract and Manfred, while serving on an arbitration panel reveiwing Arod’s suspension, publically states that Arod is history’s worst PED offender.

    You really can’t make this stuff up can you?

  148. BIG AL December 13th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    JF -

    I understand your point, but, when an aging player can no longer perform at the level needed, and that player, and others signed long term cause the team to use average to below average players as replacements, because of those terrible long term contracts, it does matter.

    Offering Cano $25M /7, to his age 38, was a great offer. The M’s knew they were over paying, but that’s what they needed to do to attract players to sign there, just as the Nats did a few years back.

    What would you do if your team was aging, and you couldn’t replace them due to contracts that kept them on the books until age 41?

  149. Ghost of Steinbrenner December 13th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Cano and JayZ made an idiotic decision. For 3 years they threw away a lifetime Yankee career, a monument park prospect, endorsements with the Latino community and all NYC has to offer for 3 extra years!
    I really think Cano has second thoughts and is channeling it with anger. That’s a BS argument about respect on his part.
    So he gets to be a big fish in a little pond and now baseball fans can name 3 Seattle players instead of 2.

  150. BIG AL December 13th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    mick -

    $25M / 7 is not disrespectful, IMO.


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