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Random thoughts on this random Saturday

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Just some random stuff on this Saturday after the Winter Meetings…

Brett Gardner• Even with Omar Infante off the board, I stand by my position on the proposed Gardner-for-Phillips trade. Obviously the Yankees could use the help at second base, but the combination of age, contract and declining numbers doesn’t make Brandon Phillips a particularly attractive trade candidate. I think Brett Gardner is worth more than that, and frankly, I think there’s a good chance Gardner can help the Yankees more in 2014 than Phillips can. According to Baseball Reference, Phillips was a 1.6 WAR player last year. Gardner was a 4.2 WAR player.

• Beyond the idea of a one-for-one swap, I don’t think the Yankees are off base when they talk about the advantages of playing both Gardner and Jacoby Ellsbury in the field. That could be helpful. The last time Gardner spent a full season in left field, he was a Fielding Bible Award winner (and I’d put more weight into those than the Gold Gloves). Also, it’s worth acknowledging that without Gardner, the Yankees are extremely thin in center field, and they’d need to lean more heavily on Ichiro Suzuki so that both Carlos Beltran and Alfonso Soriano can get a DH day now and then. Four dependable outfielders is a good thing for this team. To give up that depth and flexibility, I think the Yankees would need something other than an expensive second baseman in decline.

• At this point, I fully expect Kelly Johnson to be in the lineup on Opening Day (assuming right-hander Scott Feldman is pitching for the Astros that day). I don’t think Alex Rodriguez will be active, and I think the Yankees will have to settle for a platoon at either second base or third base. If they can trade or sign a full-time player at one of those two positions, great. And if they can find a full-time option at both, even better. But it’s not the worst thing in the world to have a platoon of Johnson and some right-handed hitter — maybe Mark Reynolds? — at the other spot. It’s just not a good market to go searching for two everyday infielders.

Ichiro Suzuki• Here’s one reason I think Vernon Wells might have a better chance of making the Yankees roster than Ichiro Suzuki: Because Ichiro has more trade value. Granted, I don’t think Ichiro has much trade value, but he’s a left-handed hitter who has some speed and might appeal to a team looking for a fourth outfielder and a veteran presence. Maybe if the Yankees eat $4 million of his $6.5 million salary, they’ll be able to move him for a low-level non-prospect. If not, both Ichiro and Wells might come into camp legitimately fighting for a job. Ichiro could be a pinch runner and solid defensive replacement in right field. Wells’ greatest value would be his hypothetical ability to pinch hit against lefties.

• I’ve had people ask whether I think Rule 5 pick Tommy Kahnle will stick with the Rockies. The easy answer is that I have absolutely no idea, and neither does anyone else. I understand why he was drafted — the kid throws hard, and his minor league numbers aren’t bad — but the jump from Double-A to the big leagues is a big one. For every Rule 5 pick, the smart money is on being offered back, so that would be my guess with Kahnle. I don’t think he’ll stick, but that’s only because I never think a Rule 5 guy is going to stick. If he throws strikes this spring, the Rockies might give him a real look and think about keeping him.

• Have you heard the Glen Hansard cover of Drive All Night? It’s tremendous.

• Random moment from yesterday’s post-press-conference interviews: Brian Cashman was asked by a Mets writer to comment on Bartolo Colon, and specifically to explain why the Yankees signed Colon in the first place three years ago. Cashman explained that it was all because of the Yankees scouts who told him Colon was pitching well in winter ball and might deserve a non-roster invitation. Cashman said he wanted to dismiss the idea completely, but the Yankees scouts convinced him to give it a shot. Worked out incredibly well.

Shawn Kelley• I’m a little bit stunned the Yankees haven’t signed a reliever by now. I realize the relief market hasn’t moved much, and bullpens often come together mid-season rather than mid-winter, but the current Yankees bullpen is incredibly thin. I like Dave Robertson and all, and obviously Shawn Kelley is coming off a very nice season that’s put him in line for some sort of role, but I’m not sure the Yankees have anyone locked into a spot beyond those two. Could be a real opportunity for a minor league starter to make an impression in spring training and basically force the Yankees to try him as a reliever. I’m looking at you, Jose Ramirez.

• Speaking of pitching, the situation has changed considerably, but I still think the Yankees will — and should — go all in to sign Masahiro Tanaka. Maybe he won’t be posted, in which case the whole thing will be out of the Yankees hands, but if he is posted, Tanaka will be, essentially, a free agent starting pitcher who has legitimate upside and is still just 25 years old. When’s the last time one of those hit the market? When’s it going to happen again? Of course there’s giant risk in giving a big contract to a guy who’s never pitched in the big leagues, but that’s the price the Yankees have to pay for not developing a front-line starter in the past decade.

• If the Yankees don’t sign Tanaka and can’t find a full-time option at either second base or third base, we could see some very interesting non-roster guys brought to big league camp. Pitchers would see a legitimate chance to win either a rotation or bullpen job — giving someone like Johan Santana a real chance to prove himself, without costing the Yankees much at all — and hitters might see the chance to get platoon at-bats or at least play some sort of meaningful bench role. Every year a few non-roster guys end up playing significant roles throughout baseball, and the Yankees have benefited from that. When it works out, it’s awfully beneficial to everyone. Can’t really count on it, though.

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168 Responses to “Random thoughts on this random Saturday”

  1. Hankflorida December 14th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Alfred and Bigdan, I saw DiMag play many times while sitting in the bleachers, and you could watch the batter swing and on the crack of bat, “The Yankee Clipper” was off to the spot where the ball would be. When I went to Ebbetts Field and watched Pete Reiser play, he, like most outfielders, would not get the same movement and would have to make a last ditch effort circus catch. Since words cannot describe what “Joltin Joe’s” could do with his glove, you just had to be there to see his magic.

  2. Irreverent Discourse December 14th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    OK This part of the Cano discussion I can’t let go…

    Cano jogging to first is NOT IRRELEVANT. I don’t understand how anyone could think that. Go watch some tape of how many double plays he grounded into and “almost made it” and had he been running… would have.

    There is a HUGE difference between the way Cano seems to glide around the infield effortlessly, and not putting any effort into running to first base.

  3. Tar December 14th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Speaking of Nick….you are missed. Hope all is well with you and family.

  4. tomingeorgia December 14th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Go Army, Sink Navy!

  5. CCBiggs December 14th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    The problem with keeping Gardner is that the Yanks would then have four starting outfielders (Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran and Soriano). You could play all four by using the DH, but then you can’t use the DH spot on Jeter, McCann or other position players who need occassional rest. Cashman has already said he likes using the DH position to give guys a rest. If so, you can’t have the DH spot always going to one of the four outfielders. That means one of the four outfielders is going to be on the bench a lot. That doesn’t make sense. Trading Gardner makes more sense.

  6. Tar December 14th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    “Don’t bother with the Contrarians.”

    Was this necessary, or are you just once again causing trouble and picking a fight?

  7. luis December 14th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    ID,

    Could you elaborate please on Cano’s jogging and effortless moves please

  8. Irreverent Discourse December 14th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Tar – I happen to think everyone is worth bothering :)

  9. blake December 14th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Most of the Cano doesn’t hustle stuff is hyperbole and nonsense but there is a shred of truth to it…..I can think of a couple of times last year where he hit balls that he thought were sure doubles and he got nailed at 2B after coasting there…….it’s not the actual play that is the problem there as it’s basically nothing in the marathon of a baseball season……it’s the example and tone it sets with the other players. I’m not saying that’s the reason the yanks didn’t retain him…..but it didn’t help his case when you’re talking about that kind of money

  10. luis December 14th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Mac,

    His contract is for 24 mil per season…1 WAR is worth about 5 mil Dollars…I say that he will produce 25 WAR on that time span at least

  11. Tar December 14th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    “Tar – I happen to think everyone is worth bothering”

    ID… I noticed.

    :D

  12. mick December 14th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    So let me get this straight.
    Kays ratings are down so they are going to replace Francesa with him on YES?
    This should be interesting.
    Is this why Fran wasn’t on yesterday and not a word was said.

    Mike should go to MSG and go head to head with Kay for TV ratings.

  13. Irreverent Discourse December 14th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    luis – Sure! :)

    I have never once thought Cano didn’t get to a ball in the field that he “could have”. Have you? Has anyone? He makes it look so easy that it is totally understandable how it could be mistaken for a “lack of effort” in the field… but I have never, ever seen it that way.

    The real mistake is assuming that he can somehow run down the first baseline at full speed without looking like he’s trying to. It’s just not physically possible, especially for a guy that is kinda slow to begin with.

    Not busting it down the line to first base when you put a ball in play is completely disrespectful to your team, your teammates, and the game itself. It is obvious, anyone can see you do it and I don’t think the “superstars” of the game get enough flak for it.

    ANYTHING can happen when a ball is put in play… they don’t field it cleanly, drop it on the transfer, throw it into the dirt or into the stands… there are lots of ways a weak ground ball can turn into a guy standing on first base. Running hard to first base also let’s the fielder know that he doesn’t have a lot of time to field and throw the ball.

    If you are not busting it down the line, you will never get to find out if any of that was possible.

    You always hear talk about how fast player cause error in the field because the fielders have to rush the play. The same is and can be said about players like Cano that dog it down the line…. If I’m a SS or 3B, I know I have all day to throw him out and I can take my sweet time to field the ball cleanly, set me feet and make a good throw to first. That player never gets to 1B on a broken play, because he isn’t forcing any.

  14. Irreverent Discourse December 14th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    blake – “it’s not the actual play that is the problem there as it’s basically nothing in the marathon of a baseball season”

    Until you miss the playoffs by one game, and you lose that game by one run… then it’s everything!

    Deciding “this is the play that doesn’t matter this year” on your way to first base is not the players job. The players job is to get to 1B safely. There is no “context” to this to be argued unless you want to talk about a team that has clinched a playoff birth already.

  15. austinmac December 14th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Luis,

    Fair enough.

  16. mick December 14th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    So what if Kay was mouthing what the FO and fans could clearly see about Cano.
    He evidently didn’t get the message.
    While some defend him with absurd conservationist theories, human nature Dictates “Perception is Reality.”
    We don’t like it, so he is gone.
    Read it and WEEP.

  17. blake December 14th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    “Until you miss the playoffs by one game, and you lose that game by one run… then it’s everything!”

    Well that’s pretty hypothetical ….I still think the tone it sets is a bigger issue than the actual action

  18. j9d December 14th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Great post, Chad. Couldn’t agree more with the Gardner/Phillips comments.

  19. luis December 14th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Thanks ID…I appreciate it…Now I get you…I thought that we were kind of in agreement…But now that I know where you are coming from, I guess we disagree to a point..Here is why:

    1) He has a very slow first step, 2) He loses another split second when he involuntarily gets mad at himself for not hitting the ball hard and then he paces himself…Is not a result for lack of effort

    In any case excellent post, regardless…Very compelling argument as usual

  20. mick December 14th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    The thing that got Cano fired is the same thing Jeter shows in reverse on every play.
    Ellsbury and McCann will now be the core and join Jeter with the same philosophy.
    Kudos…

  21. pat December 14th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Mike should go to MSG and go head to head with Kay for TV ratings.

    I think that’s the plan if they can work out the dollars. Francesa says he doesn’t want to simulcast on CBSSN like the other WFAN show because he wants to keep the show about NY sports more than national sports.

  22. Irreverent Discourse December 14th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    luis – Standing there watching his own ball in play is just another thing he “shouldn’t be doing” though :) They teach you that in little league. Swing, head down, run.

    Just an aside from your other post…
    The last fangraphs article I read said WAR$ is up to almost $7mil per 1 WAR. I’ve been figuring $6M/WAR so far this offseason to play it safe. Realistically Cano only needs to put up ~40 WAR over the course of the contract to be “worth it”. This is obviously completely ignoring inflation though, so I’d say if he puts up 45-50ish WAR.. they did OK.

    Obviously he’ll need to put up considerably more than half of that in the first 5 years of the contract.

  23. blake December 14th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Francesa is about the most clueless guy on radio about baseball anyway…..

  24. mick December 14th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    I think that’s the plan if they can work out the dollars. Francesa says he doesn’t want to simulcast on CBSSN like the other WFAN show
    ===========
    which show was that?

  25. blake December 14th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    May is annoying but he at least knows a little about what he’s saying

  26. luis December 14th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Ok Mac…It is settled then ;)

  27. Irreverent Discourse December 14th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Kay gets a really bad rap from people that have to watch him every day… I used to dog him too… until I got the MLB Extra Innings package.

    A month or two of watching Diamondbacks or Rays (or twins/whitesox/rockies/etc… the list iss realllllllly long) broadcasts would have people singing a very different tune about Kay.

  28. pat December 14th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    MSG dropped the Boomer and Carton simulcast last month when the contract expired and they will start simulcasting on CBSSN next month.

  29. blake December 14th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    I like Kays radio show I’ll be honest

  30. mick December 14th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Francesa will go to MSG and kick Kays butt on TV.
    It’s not about what you know it’s how you come across that makes ppl watch.
    He killed him on the radio and will do the same on TV .
    Better that they are both on against each other, will see sparks fly.

  31. Hankflorida December 14th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Irreverent, like DiMaggio, Cano has great instincts to be where the ball will be at the crack of the bat, and he also has great hand and eye coordination in order to grab those lines drives from getting past him. This ability should not be confused with his base running ability. I remember a great hitting catcher that the NY baseball Giants had named Ernie Lombardi who would hit a single in to right field and the right fielder, who was not playing shallow because of Lombardi’s power, would throw him out at first base. Lombardi was never accused of not giving his all as his not being on the injured list was more important to the team then him pushing his body beyond his limit. Like Cano, Lombardi made up for his lack of speed with his glove and bat.

  32. austinmac December 14th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Luis,

    I’ll be shopping the chocolate futures market. :)

  33. mick December 14th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    ok pat…thats ch 94 verizon, next to nesn on 96…they sucked on tv, boomer and carton.
    mike vs mike will be interesting.

  34. Ys Guy December 14th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    i flip back and forth between francessa, kay and ‘all things considered’ in the afternoon, depending on the subject being discussed.

    i dont particularly like francessa or kay much, though.

  35. mick December 14th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Kay is slicker than Mike, who is just rude.
    Rude sells better esp on TV.
    Reality TV syndrome, I guess…

  36. luis December 14th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Irreverent Discourse December 14th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
    luis – Standing there watching his own ball in play is just another thing he “shouldn’t be doing” though :) They teach you that in little league. Swing, head down, run.

    Just an aside from your other post…
    The last fangraphs article I read said WAR$ is up to almost $7mil per 1 WAR. I’ve been figuring $6M/WAR so far this offseason to play it safe. Realistically Cano only needs to put up ~40 WAR over the course of the contract to be “worth it”. This is obviously completely ignoring inflation though, so I’d say if he puts up 45-50ish WAR.. they did OK.

    Obviously he’ll need to put up considerably more than half of that in the first 5 years of the contract.

    ==============================

    Do you realize that you are almost making the case about why we should have kept Cano? ;)

    Here is why… I do think he will have 3 or 4 prime seasons…Which means around 29,7 WAR ( same as his last 4 seasons )…Then he will have a couple of good seasons ( 10 WAR )…Then 2 ok seasons ( 7 WAR )…And 2 bad ones ( 4 WAR )… That’s about 50 WAR altogether without inflation of course.

    Great take and good assesssment

  37. Howler December 14th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    I have the MLB extra innings package, watch a few other teams game…Kay is still annoying and would rather be without him.

  38. blake December 14th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    @ProfessorParks: “Its [Gary] Sanchez and a list of interchangeable prospects w/ reliever profiles or bench futures” –upcoming #Yankees top ten at BP

  39. Howler December 14th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Now I’d rather listen to Kay then that clown Harrelson out in Chicago

  40. luis December 14th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Oh ID, I forgot… He is latino, which means that he plays the game a little different than in the US…We tend to show more emotion…But I agree, as a pitcher I never liked the batter showing off after he took me deep…

  41. Yankeeclipper December 14th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    So what do people think of an Austin Jax – BG swap. I kind of like it. Get a younger player, with good defensive range and a bit more pop. Would project well in OF. Cheaper salary and we have protected for 2 years. BG is older, has more speed but less pop. He is FA after 2014. If Tigers are willing to do this I say we do it.

    I read some other stuff about us trading prospects for J. Samardzija & d. Barney of Cubs. Prospect names I have heard includes: Heathcott, Sanchez, Campos. If there is any truth to this I say No. I am not adverse to trading these guys but would want more than Samardzia and Barney. Barney is solid glove no stick. We need to have better offense out of 2B than that. Samardzia is an interesting pick but I think he is not worth that haul. If we are going to bundle prospects I would like to see us get a pitcher with a bit more upside.

    I like Yanks interest in D. Gregorius. AZ has surplus of SS prospects. They can use some pitching help and perhaps a Catching prospect. How about us trying to work that instead.

  42. luis December 14th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    austinmac December 14th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
    Luis,

    I’ll be shopping the chocolate futures market. :)

    =======================

    LMAO! :lol:

  43. Ys Guy December 14th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    darwin barney? really?

    corban joseph is probably better than him.

    unless the cubs are taking wells or ichiro (both!) idk why they are talking about darwin barney.

  44. Teddyballgame13 December 14th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Boomer and Carton will suck if they have to change their show to nationwide content. The original listeners will definitely feel alienated….and idk if Carton’s schtick is suitable for a national audience.

  45. Irreverent Discourse December 14th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    luis – Almost :) I often find myself walking that fine line, though. If you aren’t honest about all sides of something, you just aren’t honest.

    If contracts are only looked at as WAR/$, stud FA’s are almost always underpaid.

    It’s those age 37+ seasons where… you just flat out don’t know if the guy will be able to even play at that age. It’s not as if he is (as Levine put it) Mike trout, coming up at 21 and potentially being an elite player for 15 years… This is Cano, who is already past his prime physically (age 26 or 27 depending on who you believe). I think Seattle’s contract is ridiculous… no trade, not front loaded, not option years for the last 2-3 years… it’s just flat out ugly from the team’s perspective. But… It’s what they had to do to lure him.

    He also would have had to come back to ask for more from the Yankees, which he chose not to do . How much more money per year would it really have taken for him to forget about those 3 years he wanted? 7/210? I’d do that for Cano, for a guy that wants to be a Yankee from start to finish. 10 years for a 31 year old infielder? No thanks. As if Cano doesn’t see what has been happening to the team over the last few seasons being handcuffed by old players and long contracts.

    If the $5mil difference between what he got and what he supposedly wanted from the Yankees was all that playing in NY was really worth to him… good riddance I say.

  46. blake December 14th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    @MinorLeagueBall: You’re the Farm Director! Yankees farm system edition. Can you fix the problems @johnmanuelba describes? http://t.co/8q0yyGg6xx

  47. Shame Spencer December 14th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    blake December 14th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    @ProfessorParks: “Its [Gary] Sanchez and a list of interchangeable prospects w/ reliever profiles or bench futures” –upcoming #Yankees top ten at BP

    ————–

    Oh… awesome. :|

  48. blake December 14th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    @ProfessorParks: Yes. Boston’s system is very good. RT @DakotaArturo @ProfessorParks is [Gary] Sanchez the only guy who would make Boston’s top 10?

  49. luis December 14th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    ID,

    LOL!…Very good post…I do think the Yankees did the right thing about not giving Cano that 10 year contract…Even though I think Cano will age better than people might anticipate…After 35 years is a crapshoot…I would have gone as far as offering 7/200…I don’t think any player is worth 30 mil Dollars…I do think that the Yankees trapped themselves by giving Ells 21,8 mil per season though..

    Anyway, I have to go…It was nice to have this conversation…Don’t leave again, you are one hell of a good poster

    Later all

  50. blake December 14th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Fwiw…..@professorparks isn’t the best fake scout IMO

  51. Giuseppe Franco December 14th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Awesome. YES replaces one jackass on the radio with another.

    Well, I was wondering how the YES execs would find another reason to put Kay on another show.

    People are right not to like Hawk Harrelson but I don’t think Kay is really all that much better.

  52. I am Brett Godner December 14th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    How is Barney any different than Ryan other than he has a cooler name.

    I’m warming to the idea of a year of Ellis at second and a Reynolds/Johnson platoon at third. Ok I’m not warming on the idea it just seems like the better of available options.

  53. Don December 14th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Why didn’t the Yanks sign Infante? Was it because they are starting to hold up on spending, or they just didn’t think he was a good fit for the team?

  54. blake December 14th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Jason Parks is great at making sexual innuendos about prospects…..actually evaluating them though is another story. Not that the yanks system is great or anything but labeling some of their young guys so soon is kinda amateurish

  55. I am Brett Godner December 14th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Really Gardner and Jackson are the same player. I don’t get why the Tigers would even propose such a trade. Seems like a total wash for ’14 but given the OF FA market next season it’s a win for the Yanks.

  56. blake December 14th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Don says:
    December 14, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    Why didn’t the Yanks sign Infante? Was it because they are starting to hold up on spending, or they just didn’t think he was a good fit for the team?

    Hopefully because they have something better in mind and didn’t want to spend 30 mill on just a so so player

  57. I am Brett Godner December 14th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Seems to me that at 4 years you have a $7m utility guy as soon as a decent option comes along.

  58. blake December 14th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    I’m not sure Jackson is better than Gardner but Id rather have 2 years of AJax than 1 of Gardner…..that said I don’t think that rumor is real ….Gammons is the only one that mentioned it

  59. Howler December 14th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    it would seem like an odd trade for the Tigers…unless they’ve got something else cooking

  60. I am Brett Godner December 14th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Look close they really are the same player (Godner and Action Jaskson). I don’t think that trade is real either though. I just don’t see the sense to it.

  61. blake December 14th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Only reason I could think that Detroit woukd do it is maybe they think they can extend Gardner cheaply and given that Jackson is a Boras guy maybe not for him

  62. Teddyballgame13 December 14th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    How much do you think the Dbacks would want for Aaron Hill?

  63. I am Brett Godner December 14th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Looking at the FA next year I don’t see Gardner being extended cheaply. If so the Yanks should consider it. He might actually be the best OF on the market next year. Mr. Godner might luck into a real payday.

  64. Teddyballgame13 December 14th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Jackson is a better player than Gardner and a RH bat….I wouldn’t be against it.

  65. blake December 14th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Teddyballgame13 says:
    December 14, 2013 at 4:40 pm
    How much do you think the Dbacks would want for Aaron Hill?

    We should find out

  66. I am Brett Godner December 14th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    As simple as RH vs LH? Still doesn’t make sense.

  67. austinmac December 14th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    With respect to the bullpen, I think the inactivity may signal a desire to stay under $189 as they are watching every penny now.

    The current bullpen, I repeat, is among the worst current group around.

  68. Teddyballgame13 December 14th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Jackson has more XBH…..has shown the ability to hit for a high average, and is younger than Gardner. I’d say defense is about equal. Jackson K’s wayyyy to much but has shown the ability to walk. I’d also venture to say he could hit 20 HR in yankee stadium….20 HR, 20 SB, 10 triples and .300 BA would be pretty nice. And the R vs. L thing is a factor given how lefty heavy the lineup is at this point. Personally I don’t see why Detroit would do it.

  69. Yankeeclipper December 14th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Ajax gives us an added RH bat vs. Gardy LH bat. Ajax can play LF and CF and would likely project fine in RF with Beltran as DH. I do not really believe this deal happens but I guess Tigers think that Gardner might be a cheaper longer term fit and see him as more of a base stealing threat than Ajax. Down side to Ajax would be that he K’s quite a but for a guy’s who homer power is in low teens. He has gap power.

    I do not understand why Yanks would swap OF players who are about the same when they have glaring hole at 2B, 3B and rotation

  70. Teddyballgame13 December 14th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    How about Phelps and JR Muprhy for Aaron Hill? Would that be enough? Or would they prefer Mason/Austin.

  71. AAA December 14th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    How much do you think the Dbacks would want for Aaron Hill?

    ===========================

    I imagine it would be quite a bit. He’s got a very reasonable contract for 3 more years.

  72. AAA December 14th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    How about Phelps and JR Muprhy for Aaron Hill? Would that be enough? Or would they prefer Mason/Austin.

    ==========================

    I’d guess that’s way short in both cases.

  73. Teddyballgame13 December 14th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    @ AAA
    That’s kinda what I figured….idk if the Yankees match up well with AZ but I think Hill would be a great fit

  74. monzagorilla December 14th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    “…not developing a front-line starter in the past decade” Wow.. is there any other major league farm system that can make that (negative) claim?

  75. AAA December 14th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

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  76. bbb51 December 14th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

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    You’ve seen how Jeter does it, that’s how Cano should do it.

  77. bbb51 December 14th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

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    2015 $12,000,000
    2016 $12,000,000

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  80. exiledintampa December 14th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Watched MLB network last nite. It was about the 1941 season. Things they said about Ted Williams sounded a lot like things said about Cano. Doesn’t hustle down the line, not a real team player, etc.

  81. 4TrainNorth December 14th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    I’m sure this has been said, but can Ellsbury please teach Gardner how to steal bases?

  82. ac1 December 14th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Why didn’t the Yanks sign Infante? Was it because they are starting to hold up on spending, or they just didn’t think he was a good fit for the team?

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  83. Shame Spencer December 14th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    …who IS in our bullpen right now?

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  84. Tar December 14th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    I’m sure this has been said, but can Ellsbury please teach Gardner how to steal bases?”

    I haven’t read that….. and its a very good point.

  85. blake December 14th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

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  86. Tar December 14th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

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    Maybe Phelps and Warren as well

  87. Tar December 14th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Also Cabral and isn’t Huff still a Yankee?

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  88. Shame Spencer December 14th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Tar – Ah, right.. yeah I’d think one or the other would be in there.

  89. bbb51 December 14th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Tar December 14th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
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    47-9
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  91. Shame Spencer December 14th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Completely forgot about Cabral too.. I don’t see them doing anything with the pen until like mid-season.

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    So what was Joe’s swing like? From the film a see he seems pretty short to the ball. Almost no stride. He must have had amazing quick twitch muscles to generate bat speed with such a short swing. Could explain the 13 Ks he had in 1941. Sounds like pitcher just couldn’t fool him at the plate.

  93. Tar December 14th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

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    GGBG can use some base running fine tuning, of that I am sure.

  94. pkyankfan69 December 14th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

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    Sign Balfour
    Trade Sanchez + Banuelos + Mason Williams + De Paula + Nuney + $ 40M for Tulo

    CF – Ellsbury
    3B – Jeter
    RF – Beltran
    SS – Tulo
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    DH – Soriano
    1B – Tex
    2B – Johnson
    LF – Gardner

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  95. I am Brett Godner December 14th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I would like to see them sign one balls to the ball setup/closer type RP and then let the pen develop over ST. Problem is we were so spoiled because you could convince those guys to sign up to set up for Mo but it seems like a harder sell to have them compete for the role with Robertson.

  96. 4TrainNorth December 14th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Our bullpen is in sad shape. Right now, what’s keeping me going is the thought of Ellzy and Gardy running wild, and also picturing McCann stepping into the baseline bt third and home if any opposing team’s player tries to show us up.

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  98. bigdan22 December 14th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    So is Quntana the best pitcher to come out of the Yankee minor league system since Pettitte? Or is it Guidry?

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  100. Yankeeclipper December 14th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

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  101. AAA December 14th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

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    ==============================

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  102. pete2 December 14th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Yankees can’t sign the best available FA at SS (Drew) since they have to keep that position for the hobbled 40 yo Jeter who had a -15 UZR in 2012.

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    None of it means much if Cashman does not get to work on the pitching. The offense despite the holes should be league average, barring injury, but there is no one in the starting rotation you feel really good about the way last year finished, and the bullpen really needs a replacement for Mo and Logan.

  103. tomingeorgia December 14th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    There is no replacement for Mo. Logan we can replace. No replacing Cano, either, but we have added quality men to play positions where we were lacking. Two months to go til spring training. Is it asking too much to say wait and see?

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  107. 4TrainNorth December 14th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

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