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Just a few Monday night notes and links

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 16, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

• An article out of Japan say Rakuten is leaning toward making Masahiro Tanaka available this winter. I don’t read Japanese, but Dylan Hernandez does, so I’m trusting his translation. He notes that the article in question does not quote the Rakuten president, but basically reporting suggests Tanaka will be posting. “Take it for what it’s worth,” Hernandez notes.

• Over the weekend, none other than Alex Rodriguez tweeted out a link to this Miami Herald story about the shady movement of evidence in the Biogenesis case. Hard to say whether any of it will impact Major League Baseball’s decision. Nothing about the case is clean and pretty.

• At the New York Post, Joel Sherman looks at some of the Yankees possibilities at second base, and he mentions that the team goes cheap, newly acquired Dean Anna could factor into the mix. Over at ESPN New York, Andrew Marchand also mentioned Anna as a possible platoon solution. The Yankees are running out of high-end possibilities, but the first thing I heard about Anna was that he should be considered a utility man more than a future regular. That said, second base is his best position, and the Yankees might be positioning themselves into a position where they give him a shot out of necessity.

• Speaking of second base, the Royals officially announced their Omar Infante signing. Kansas City also needed a second baseman, and with Infante, the Royals seem to have finished off their everyday lineup. The Yankees have, you know, not done that yet.

Apparently soap is killing us. It’s a tough world out there, folks. Be careful.

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236 Responses to “Just a few Monday night notes and links”

  1. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    JCPD – thanks for the forecast

    Giuseppe –

    man they are so frustrating to watch. Inconsistency at it’s finest. But, hopefully they are hitting their stride. The draft needs to be OLINE – OLINE – OLINE.

    —-

    I’d be lying to you if I said I was confident they’d win that game yesterday.

    I was certain Brady was going to pull that one out. And he damn near did.

  2. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Send Cervelli to the White Sox for Jeff Keppinger.

    The White Sox want a back up catcher and have no place to play Keppinger with Beckham at 2b and Davidson at 3b. He has 2 years and $8.5 left on the contract that he signed last year. At best, the Yankees still sign Drew and/or Alemedys Diaz and you have Keppinger and Ryan as an upgrade over Nunez and Nix for the bench. If they don’t sign Drew, you can still go with Johnson at 3b and Keppinger at 2b.

    The Yankees will be fine with Romine/Murphy backing up McCann.

  3. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    My guess on the Tanaka contract is 6 years $18/year

  4. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    You have been harping on Jeter’s range for years. Yet he has continued to be one of the best SS’s in the league. And didn’t you go so far as to lobby for Nunez to replace him during his contract talks?

    Harping sounds a lot more like what ~some people~ do regarding anyone even mentioning Jeter’s flaws. I did think that Nunez could have approximated Jeter’s 2010 offensive output with better overall defense based on his last 2 seasons in the minor leagues. The Yankees pretty much botched any of that by sitting him on the bench, giving him no reps, and moving him all over the diamond.

    I wanted Jeter to move to the outfield long, long ago where his ability to track flyballs would be put to better use. If he had to stay on the infield 2B was probably a better spot for him, but the Yankees had Cano right around the time I thought he should be moved off the spot.

  5. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    The former you make it sound like he is some malcontent who always puts himself before the team. To the point where he is a detriment to the team.

    Well he didn’t move off SS when the team traded for the much better offensive and defensive SS Alex Rodriguez. He should have moved to CF at the time or 3B with the intention of going to CF when Bernie was cooked (which was shortly there after).

  6. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Jerkface,

    Nunez is hot garbage defensively. That’s not on the Yankees.

  7. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    “Jeter is an all-time great SS because of his offensive production. No historian ever talks about his all-time greatness on defense.”

    How does the above and the following equate?

    “There’s not a chance Girardi will bat Jeter 7th in the lineup even though it does make a lot more sense.
    “It’s reasons like that (and not even trying to move him from SS) which have hurt the team over the years.”

    The former you make it sound like he is some malcontent who always puts himself before the team. To the point where he is a detriment to the team.

    And I vehemently disagree with that assessment.

    —–

    Simply put, the Derek Jeter who compiled his all-time great numbers is not the same Derek Jeter who has been hobbled by a bum ankle for the last 18 months (when Opening Day arrives) and will turn 40 yrs old in June.

  8. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    i agree, i dont think the yankees ruined nunez. he makes most of his errors on easy plays. its between his ears.

  9. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    Look, arguing over what Derek is or where he should play in 2014 is futile. This is most likely his last season and the Yankees aren’t going to move him now.

  10. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    Nunez is hot garbage defensively. That’s not on the Yankees.

    He is now. He wasn’t in AAA. He was coming off a much improved season in AAA when the Yankees put him on the bench instead of El Nino where he proceeded to play not at all. They mucked up his development by trying to turn him into a super utility player instead of trying to develop him as a short stop. Go look at his 2010 AAA season, he was just fine at SS. The Yankees mucked up his development.

    Half of it is on Nunez for I guess not being SO TALENTED that he can just roll with whatever the Yankees are doing, but the other half is on the Yankees for not developing talent.

  11. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    I wanted Jeter to move to the outfield long, long ago where his ability to track flyballs would be put to better use. If he had to stay on the infield 2B was probably a better spot for him, but the Yankees had Cano right around the time I thought he should be moved off the spot.”

    Thats fair, but they Yankees never got a better SS. That somehow gets projected to being Jeter’s fault. I look at the bottom line with him and like what it adds up to.

    As far as Nunez goes you were right about them letting him rot on the bench. I remember disagreeing thinking that that Joe would play him a bunch and let Jete rest. I was wrong on that and you (and LGY) were right.

  12. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    i agree, i dont think the yankees ruined nunez. he makes most of his errors on easy plays. its between his ears.

    Theres this thing called coaching and putting players in a position to succeed which I have heard can help greatly. I guess Nunez was way too below the Yankees radar to deserve better treatment, but they still deserve blame for turning a promising potential SS into a nothing utility player that can’t actually provide any utility.

  13. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
    Giuseppe-

    I had nine hear attacks watching brady slice through us like a knife through hot butter. Thanks god that kid from the niner practice squad made those two huge plays.

    if you’d like to join us over at the thephins.com – we’d love to have you. Great board, lots of inside info and awesome insight.

  14. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    i dont buy any of that bs. and i was a big fan of nunez. he wasnt good enough when he got the chance, that’s it. and the fact that he messed up the easiest plays is on him.

  15. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    Jerkface,

    The Yankees had all their infield spots set, the only way Nunez had any value to the team was if he could be a Ben Zobrist type. It was the same story with Brandon Laird. The alternative to having him that role was to leave him in Scranton until he was 27 years old.

  16. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    Well he didn’t move off SS when the team traded for the much better offensive and defensive SS Alex Rodriguez.”

    Alex was the better SS, but in hind sight Jeter was right to stay at SS. Hard to find fault with something that turns out to be correct.

  17. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    Alex was the better SS, but in hind sight Jeter was right to stay at SS. Hard to find fault with something that turns out to be correct.

    I dunno how that was right in hindsight. Having A-rod at SS up to 2007 would have been amazing value.

  18. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    The Yankees had all their infield spots set, the only way Nunez had any value to the team was if he could be a Ben Zobrist type. It was the same story with Brandon Laird. The alternative to having him that role was to leave him in Scranton until he was 27 years old.

    They absolutely did not have to put Nunez in the majors. SS prospects are worth a lot in trades. The Yankees have done this kind of short sighted stuff for years, and I don’t think it works out for them because they suck at developing their prospects.

  19. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    Look, arguing over what Derek is or where he should play in 2014 is futile. This is most likely his last season and the Yankees aren’t going to move him now.

    —-

    Nobody is making that argument. These exchanges were provoked by my post from the last thread, which Tar took exception to.

    ——
    Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    There’s not a chance Girardi will bat Jeter 7th in the lineup even though it does make a lot more sense.

    It’s reasons like that (and not even trying to move him from SS) which have hurt the team over the years.

    One player, no matter who he is, is not bigger than the team.

  20. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    As to Jeter not shifting off SS to make room for Alex…all the things that made Alex a better defensive SS also made him the natural choice to move to 3b. He had the stronger arm and better range to the left.

  21. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
    Giuseppe-

    I had nine hear attacks watching brady slice through us like a knife through hot butter. Thanks god that kid from the niner practice squad made those two huge plays.

    if you’d like to join us over at the thephins.com – we’d love to have you. Great board, lots of inside info and awesome insight.

    —-

    Thanks for the invite. Truth be told, I’ve never actually commented on a Fins blog so this would be a first.

  22. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
    The Yankees had all their infield spots set, the only way Nunez had any value to the team was if he could be a Ben Zobrist type. It was the same story with Brandon Laird. The alternative to having him that role was to leave him in Scranton until he was 27 years old.

    They absolutely did not have to put Nunez in the majors. SS prospects are worth a lot in trades. The Yankees have done this kind of short sighted stuff for years, and I don’t think it works out for them because they suck at developing their prospects
    ——————–

    I don’t disagree with you about their lack of player development. I disagree with you that Nunez was anything more than hot garbage.

    He might have been a complementary piece in a trade (as he almost was for Cliff Lee) but he, Brandon Laird, Ramiro Pena were never going to be anything at this level.

  23. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    As to Jeter not shifting off SS to make room for Alex…all the things that made Alex a better defensive SS also made him the natural choice to move to 3b. He had the stronger arm and better range to the left.”
    ====================================
    lets not forget that jeter is one of the best ever at going back on pop flys while arod is terrible at it.

    they made the right decision imo.

  24. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    I disagree with you that Nunez was anything more than hot garbage.

    I tell you again, go look at his performance in AA and AAA before the Yankees started yanking him around.

  25. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Didn’t Nunez win some coaches award in AAA for being the best SS?

    I for one would not just summarily discount the Yankees having a hand in screwing things up with Nunez.

  26. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    I think Jeter was underrated defensively in the past when he was younger but he was already slipping before this very serious injury to his ankle.

    I’m just not sure how realistic it is that he can actually play SS at an acceptable level now given that he was slipping before the injury 2 years ago.

    Does micheal young have anything left? Not real interested there…..

  27. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Nunez is turrible ….

  28. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
    I disagree with you that Nunez was anything more than hot garbage.

    I tell you again, go look at his performance in AA and AAA before the Yankees started yanking him around.
    ——————-

    Want to go through the list of players who never amounted to anything in the majors who had good minor league stats that were never touched by Yankee development people?

  29. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Tar December 16th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    I for one would not just summarily discount the Yankees having a hand in screwing things up with Nunez.

    —-

    There you go. We agree on that.

    This organization seems to have a knack for screwing up prospects’ potential.

  30. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    If Jeter had moved off SS in 2004 then we would have been looking for a SS long before now because Arod has been too broken down to play there for years

  31. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    timing, perserverence, coming through at the right times are all part of becoming a successful athelete. nunez wasnt able to rise to the occasion when it came his way. to this point anyway. injuries had a part in that, too.

  32. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    GF

    I think we agree way more than we disagree.

    But I could be wrong :D

  33. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    giuseppe

    come check it out for the most part you can read and never make a peep if you like.

    my handle is “finfangirl”

  34. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Want to go through the list of players who never amounted to anything in the majors who had good minor league stats that were never touched by Yankee development people?

    Sure, start listing. I don’t see what other teams also being bad at development, or doing things poorly, or random chance, or just a player busting has to do with the specific Nunez situation and what we know about the Yankees developmental track record.

    Nunez turned into hot garbage, he was not hot garbage at the time. He was one of the Yankees top 10 prospects. And his busting can be directly attributed to mishandling at the major league level. It is not the only factory, but it cannot be dismissed.

    Its one thing for a player to bust while playing their primary position and getting lots of PA to prove they belong. Its another for a player to come off an award winning minor league season, then get jerked around.

  35. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    We can spend all night going through whether Derek should have moved off short or not; whether the Yankees are bad at player development or not (I happen to think they are, but I don’t blame them for the fact that Eduardo Nunez is hot garbage). None of that really addresses the current situation though.

    I would love to see the Yankees get Alemedys Diaz, work him in the minors this year and have him be the next SS of the Yankees if not him then Stephen Drew.

    Cervelli for Keppinger makes a ton of sense for both clubs.

    Tanaka is obviously a prime target – though I fully expect him to blow out his shoulder putting on his uniform at the press conference.

  36. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    if aaa perfomance was an indication of mlb success, we’d be retiring # 21 about now.

    for kevin maas.

  37. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    giuseppe

    come check it out for the most part you can read and never make a peep if you like.

    my handle is “finfangirl”

    —–

    I’ll check it out. It’s probably safe to assume that the ‘Giuseppe Franco’ moniker isn’t taken. :)

    Stupid name, but I’ve had it for about 7 years, so I’m not going to change it now.

  38. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    JF –

    End of the day, the Yankees should have kept Ramiro Pena and traded Eduardo Nunez. They were banking on Nunez’s bat developing and making him more a Ben Zobrist type but Pena’s profile is much better for utility infielder.

  39. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    “Cervelli for Keppinger makes a ton of sense for both clubs.”

    Keppinger was all kinda of awful last year and has basically said he didn’t want to play in NY before….I think Cervelli might hold more value in 2014 honestly

  40. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Nunez is a bunch of decent parts that just don’t fit together ….

  41. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Tar December 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    GF

    I think we agree way more than we disagree.

    But I could be wrong :D

    —-

    No, you’re right about that.

  42. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    cant get alot worse than keppenger last season (aside from darwin barney) but he has had an every other year thing going on through most of his career.

  43. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
    “Cervelli for Keppinger makes a ton of sense for both clubs.”

    Keppinger was all kinda of awful last year and has basically said he didn’t want to play in NY before….I think Cervelli might hold more value in 2014 honestly
    —————————

    When did Keppinger say he didn’t want to play in NY? I think he and Drew said basically the same thing – that they didn’t want to sign here last year because the Yankees were looking to them to be “super-utility” types and Keppinger, coming off his best season as a pro, wanted a regular spot.

    I don’t know what value Cervelli has as a oft-injured BUC coming off a lost season.

  44. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
    Tar December 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    GF

    I think we agree way more than we disagree.

    But I could be wrong :D

    —-

    No, you’re right about that.
    —————-

    see – you guys agree on that.

  45. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    “When did Keppinger say he didn’t want to play in NY? I think he and Drew said basically the same thing – that they didn’t want to sign here last year because the Yankees were looking to them to be “super-utility” types and Keppinger, coming off his best season as a pro, wanted a regular spot.”

    I thought I read something like that but either way he was pretty bad last year….I mean it’s an interesting thought if they think he can bounce back

  46. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    JF –

    End of the day, the Yankees should have kept Ramiro Pena and traded Eduardo Nunez. They were banking on Nunez’s bat developing and making him more a Ben Zobrist type but Pena’s profile is much better for utility infielder.

    —-

    Warts and all, Nunez is still better than Pena.

    I don’t have a defensive metrics stat sheet in front of me but Pena was a kid who had good range but also had a tendency to butcher a lot of the easy plays.

    He also hit like he was swinging a wet newspaper.

  47. chicken_stanley December 16th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    At the risk of being laughed at (and being scorned by Blake :) ) I thought Nunez looked really comfortable at 3rd during his time there during the latter part of the season… absolutely a small sample size and not a long term solution to be sure but maybe part of a platoon if another move isn’t made

  48. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Warts and all, Nunez is still better than Pena.”

    Eh I don’t know….he could play defense at least. Nunie can’t really do anything but run fast and let his helmet fly in the wind.

  49. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    “At the risk of being laughed at (and being scorned by Blake ) I thought Nunez looked really comfortable at 3rd during his time there during the latter part of the season”

    He may have been comfortable….the folks in the first row behind 1b were usually terrified

  50. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Eh I don’t know….he could play defense at least. Nunie can’t really do anything but run fast and let his helmet fly in the wind.”

    Think of that AB vs Verlander. He has a rough couple of years, but I still think he is way better than he has shown.

  51. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    pena had a really good year last year. .278/.330/.443 in 50 games (107 pa’s)

  52. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Pena just had a better season with the bat than any 1 of Nunez’s in a much harder pitchers park, but I still think Nunez had more potential to be a guy that could hit every day in an MLB lineup than him. For that season though (2011), they should have kept Pena and let Nunez play every day in the minors. I really don’t want to keep talking about either of them though.

  53. Barry December 16th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Re Arod and Jeter. To quote, more or less Jose Canseco. Arod and Garciaparra were both better than Jeter, but, of course, they cheated.

  54. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
    “When did Keppinger say he didn’t want to play in NY? I think he and Drew said basically the same thing – that they didn’t want to sign here last year because the Yankees were looking to them to be “super-utility” types and Keppinger, coming off his best season as a pro, wanted a regular spot.”

    I thought I read something like that but either way he was pretty bad last year….I mean it’s an interesting thought if they think he can bounce back
    ————————

    If all it’s costing is Frankie Cervelli to get him then I think the juice is worth the squeeze. Worst case scenario you’re deepening the bench.

  55. chicken_stanley December 16th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    He may have been comfortable….the folks in the first row behind 1b were usually terrified

    ——

    Touche :)

  56. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
    Pena just had a better season with the bat than any 1 of Nunez’s in a much harder pitchers park, but I still think Nunez had more potential to be a guy that could hit every day in an MLB lineup than him. For that season though (2011), they should have kept Pena and let Nunez play every day in the minors. I really don’t want to keep talking about either of them though.
    ———————–

    Nunez might have had the greater upside as a starter but they didn’t need a starter – they needed a utility infielder and that’s what the Yankees needed. It was a bad call but as we’ve said, it’s over and done with, Nunez will likely be at AAA this season and that’s that.

  57. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Was Nunie really a good defensive SS in the upper minors? I’m not sure I remember that? Has anyone on this board actually seen him play back then? Are we relying on minor league defensive metrics, because I’m not sure I even trust major league defensive metrics.

    I do remember him being jerked around quite a bit when he got up here in 2011. Trying to make him into a utility did seem to me at the time like a waste of a SS prospect. But was he really much of a SS prospect?

  58. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Eh Cervelli is their best back up option for 2014 unless they want to push Murphy and Id guess they want him catching every day at Scranton. Romine can’t hit a lick….move him instead

  59. chicken_stanley December 16th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    For that season though (2011), they should have kept Pena and let Nunez play every day in the minors. I really don’t want to keep talking about either of them though.

    ———-

    Agreed. Lets switch over to Clay Bellinger :)

  60. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    pena had a really good year last year. .278/.330/.443 in 50 games (107 pa’s)

    Damn…I had no idea. Definitely a career year for him.

  61. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Pena might be the braves 2B this year…..they can’t let uggla play anymore

  62. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
    Eh Cervelli is their best back up option for 2014 unless they want to push Murphy and Id guess they want him catching every day at Scranton. Romine can’t hit a lick….move him instead
    —————————–
    Well this is the Nunez/Pena debate again. Cervelli is likely the one better suited for a back up role.

    I don’t think it matters much, whichever one the White Sox want (if we could get them to take back Ichiro…all the better.)

  63. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    “Eh Cervelli is their best back up option for 2014 unless they want to push Murphy and Id guess they want him catching every day at Scranton. Romine can’t hit a lick….move him instead”

    Cervelli for me is like Nunez is for you.

    Romine is better defensively and over the course of a year will out hit Cervelli.

  64. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
    Pena might be the braves 2B this year…..they can’t let uggla play anymore
    ————————–
    Probably don’t have any choice.

  65. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    “Romine is better defensively and over the course of a year will out hit Cervelli.”

    There isn’t much evidence for the 2nd part of that statement…..in the numbers or observationally. Not that either of them are great….but Romine has a pretty long swing and pretty poor bat speed from what I saw…..

  66. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Blake

    Just for you.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  67. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Uggla’s OBP was over .300 even with his .170 avg.
    He used to be a force, there is no way he cannot be fixed.

  68. DaSaint007 December 16th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    I can’t believe that lefty relievers are getting $16.5 & $17.5M deals over 3 years. Once upon a time (in a land not so far away) that was middle-rotation starter money.

  69. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    tyler pastonicky is going to get first shot to replace uggla id imagine.

  70. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Of the three guys the Yankees are looking at (per Heyman) I would probably prefer Reynolds. I wouldn’t mind bringing in Roberts on a minor league deal like they did with Chavez, but you can’t trust him.

    The problem with bringing in Reynolds or Young is that it makes the Yankees really bad defensively on the infield with one of them at 3b and Johnson at 2b. Kelly can hold his own at 3b defensively, but at 2b it’s a big stretch.

  71. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Tar,
    Even a blind Nunie can square up a pitch every now and then ;)

    Hey if you’re not following Dadgum Roy on twitter you need too…..especially during games….hilarious

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 16th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    This is very last week but it’s the first time I’ve had two seconds to say it. For once Tar and I agree on something. NO STEPHEN DREW!

  73. blake December 16th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    “Uggla’s OBP was over .300 even with his .170 avg.
    He used to be a force, there is no way he cannot be fixed.”

    I dunno….the problem with him is he’s such a bad defender….if he’s not hitting he’s pretty much useless

  74. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Blake,

    Romine’s offense was only a problem when he was backing up Chris Stewart. Playing a handful of games as Brian McCann’s caddie the offensive difference between Romine and Cervelli is marginal.

  75. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    thats why the yankees are looking at papelbon. 2 years of $13M plus a $13M vesting option might turn out to be a good contract. but he is trending downward.

    the option for the third $13M season only vests if he finishes 100 games in 14/15 or 55 games finished in 2015, either of which would make the third year worth the salary.

  76. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    I know Uggla has sucked since he left Miami, but if they want to dump him off on us, I would take him…. (they would need to eat salary though)

  77. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    “There isn’t much evidence for the 2nd part of that ”

    Well there isn’t much evidence to contradict it either.

    I saw a player who when finally got a chance to play regularly hit for .350 .438 .525 .963 in the month of August (Hows that for picking stats :D ).

    Another one who rotted on the bench in Joe’s dog house.

  78. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    What’s the feeling on Wilson Betemit?

    He was injured most of last season but the two years before last he was pretty solid.

  79. blake December 16th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    I don’t really care about the difference between Cervelli and Romine much though…..Id trade either for a decent return

  80. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Hey if you’re not following Dadgum Roy on twitter you need too>

    I am really not into twitter, but I will have to check it out. Was listening to Roy’s radio show tonight. Gave the defensive game award to Jackson Simmons.

    Man I am still pumped about that game. I think I enjoyed it more than beating the Spartans.

  81. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    “For once Tar and I agree on something. NO STEPHEN DREW!”

    Baby steps :D

    I hope you are felling better.

  82. blake December 16th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Man I am still pumped about that game. I think I enjoyed it more than beating the Spartans.”

    Oh yea….way more….we always beat Izzo

  83. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    I’m out have a good night everyone.

  84. chicken_stanley December 16th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    ‘Night Tar

  85. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    @Kazuto_Yamazaki 56s

    Rakuten will decide whether or not to post Tanaka in 48 hours.

    @Kazuto_Yamazaki 4m

    Tanaka told Rakuten that he wants to head to the States. They haven’t answered yet. http://www.asahi.com/articles/.....70036.html

  86. blake December 16th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Get Tanaka

  87. Kelvin December 16th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    Rotoworld has sources saying they will “honor” his wishes and post him.

    Hope so

  88. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    all this ‘honor his wishes’ and such is bs, they intended to cash him in as soon as it was possible.

  89. yankinvegas December 16th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    Piss off MLB and blow everyone else out of the water for Tanaka. Give Brian Roberts a shot at 2b. The upside is ridiculously high, the downside means you go with a glove guy like Ryan. I believe that Alex will be playing most of the 3b from end of May forward and I can live with Johnson and Nunez until that point. I’m OK with bringing back Mark Reynolds or Eric Chavez as depth.
    Pineda becomes #5 starter and sign Scott Downs and Benoit as additional bullpen help.

  90. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    they intended to cash him in as soon as it was possible.

    Yea when the reward was goingto be 50+ million dollars. Not when it was capped at 20 million.

  91. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    well the posting became possible today and its already out that they’re going to post him.

    its not as much money, but they’re still grabbing it.

  92. Kelvin December 16th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    I jus hope Yankees sign him. 6 years, 85-100M I’d do it ASAP

  93. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    well the posting became possible today and its already out that they’re going to post him.

    its not as much money, but they’re still grabbing it.

    Its still a probability thing, and just because it landed on one side of the coin, did not mean it was 100% guaranteed. They met with him today to try to extend him, he didn’t want to, so they will post him.

  94. Ted Nelson December 16th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    “Send Cervelli to the White Sox for Jeff Keppinger.”

    Given the seasons he’s coming off of and the money he’s still owed I would not trade Cervelli for him. If I was taking on his money I would offer something like an AJ Burnett return. If the Yankees want to shed Ichiro’s salary, maybe that could work out.

    “He is now. He wasn’t in AAA. He was coming off a much improved season in AAA when the Yankees put him on the bench instead of El Nino where he proceeded to play not at all. They mucked up his development”

    The problem with this narrative is that there was no trend at all of improvement. There was one good season. It’s as likely to have been a random blip as an improvement. Do you actually have any evidence of players who don’t play regularly regressing by huge amounts in their ability to avoid errors?

    “Half of it is on Nunez for I guess not being SO TALENTED that he can just roll with whatever the Yankees are doing”

    Was Eduardo the first minor league SS to be turned into a UTL upon debuting in MLB? I could have sworn there were hundreds before him…

  95. Cashmoney December 16th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    I am thinking the Tanaka bidding will be a zoo.

  96. Pat M. December 16th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    Nunez is terrible defensively and he has never been able to correct his bad foot work. Always liked his stick though. However to argue that he good have been something more is simply Jerkface’s cry for attention and just an excuse for a debate

  97. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    as i said before, imo the ‘asking him what he wants’ and all is bs. they couldn’t have done it any faster. they always intended to grab the bucks.

    which is good for mlb.

  98. Ted Nelson December 16th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    The posting thing was basically known weeks ago. The suspense gave fans something to talk about. There was little doubt he was getting posted, though. The team was very clear that they were going to try to convince Tanaka to stay, but would not stand in his way if he wished to leave.

  99. Cashmoney December 16th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    Pat M, i like his stick as middle infielder. He has some physical tools.

  100. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    The problem with this narrative is that there was no trend at all of improvement. There was one good season. It’s as likely to have been a random blip as an improvement. Do you actually have any evidence of players who don’t play regularly regressing by huge amounts in their ability to avoid errors?

    There is plenty of evidence in every day life that one must keep doing something to improve at it and to keep your skills sharp. Why do we even have spring training then? Yea lots of players have been turned into utility infielders. I reckon most of them were probably better and more versatile than Nunez. I think Nunez could have been a passable shortstop if he focused 100% on it and gotten the playtime for it in AAA. Is it that unheard of that a guy might suffer if splitting his attention between a bunch of different things?

  101. Pat M. December 16th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    Cashmoney, yes he has physical skills however making throws to first isn’t one of them, at least on a regular basis. Could never understand why he wasn’t taught to play leftfield.

  102. Cashmoney December 16th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    i do think Nunez can be a passable SS, unfortunately he was given the opportunity for some rep in 13 and blew it with big chunk of time on DL, Yanks played it safe with Nixey in the heat of contention.

    basically, i think if you get on a shi&&y team and let him play everyday he will prolly be 1-2 WAR ss.

  103. pat December 16th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    dylanohernandez
    Tanaka met with Rakuten president. Tanaka said he wants to pitch in majors, Rakuten asked him to stay, according to reports. No resolution.

  104. Cashmoney December 16th, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    PatM, I think they did try him in AAA dunno what became of it. in extreme small samples, I think G did put him LF, from what I seen he did not embarass himself with his reads and jumps.

  105. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    they have to act like they didnt just sell their best player to mlb and make it look like they did everything they could to convince him not to go.

    .

  106. pat December 17th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Ken_Rosenthal 1m
    Sources: #Yankees likely to sign free-agent 2B Brian Roberts.

  107. Against All Odds December 17th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    pat December 17th, 2013 at 12:00 am
    Ken_Rosenthal 1m
    Sources: #Yankees likely to sign free-agent 2B Brian Roberts.

    ———————

    Ehhhhhhhhhh

  108. coney1 December 17th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 22s

    Sources: #Yankees likely to sign free-agent 2B Brian Roberts.

    —————–
    Yuck

  109. Cashmoney December 17th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    YS. maybe they genuinely don’t want to post him for only 20 mil, it’s a possibility.

  110. Cashmoney December 17th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    i don’t know who gets hurt more… Sizemore or Robert in the past years. But if we dealing with MLB minimum here, why not.

  111. Ys Guy December 17th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    we’ll see soon enough.

    expect his agent in ny by friday.

  112. Cashmoney December 17th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    Ys, don’t forget 80 plus strong journalists from Japan.

  113. Ys Guy December 17th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    very true!

    night guys!

  114. Ted Nelson December 17th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    “Is it that unheard of that a guy might suffer if splitting his attention between a bunch of different things?”

    How many other instances in MLB history are there of a fielder suddenly forgetting how to play his original position because a team moves him and starting making a ridiculous number of errors? Is it more likely that he always struggled at SS (as evidenced by his #s in the minors and every scouting report available) and AAA was not representative of his actual ability? Look, I was always a Nunez believer. Always thought he could put it together. Still hold out a tiny sliver of hope. There’s just little reason to ascribe causation for his defensive struggles on anyone else when he committed so many errors in the minors.

    “basically, i think if you get on a shi&&y team and let him play everyday he will prolly be 1-2 WAR ss.”

    He got half a season’s worth of PAs for the Yankees last season and was worth -1.4 fWAR. In 827 career MLB PAs he’s worth -1.9. I would argue that +1-2 WAR per season is not the most likely case.

  115. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    Roberts hit .284/.327/.441 vs lefties last season… so I think this means Kelly Johnson is playing 3B.

  116. Ted Nelson December 17th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    “they have to act like they didnt just sell their best player to mlb and make it look like they did everything they could to convince him not to go.”

    How many teams have done so before? You may be right, but if this is something that they “have to do” then it would be the norm. I don’t remember this much hemming and hawing when Japanese players have been posted in the past, but I may be forgetting.

  117. Cashmoney December 17th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    He got half a season’s worth of PAs for the Yankees last season and was worth -1.4 fWAR. In 827 career MLB PAs he’s worth -1.9. I would argue that +1-2 WAR per season is not the most likely case.
    —–
    that’s whole point Ted, I think he can be passable defensively at SS which is what put him in the negative WAR category in the first place. You don’t think it’s likely. Well, aint no way to settle this except if he ever gets the opportunity to play a full season at ss.

  118. Cashmoney December 17th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    In 827 career MLB PAs he’s worth -1.9.

    so basically in 500 PA he accrued a -.4 WAR and got worse LY which is pretty accurate from what I seen, you point?

  119. Cashmoney December 17th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    Roberts hit .284/.327/.441 vs lefties last season… so I think this means Kelly Johnson is playing 3B.
    ——–
    Who is playing 2b against righties?

  120. Ted Nelson December 17th, 2013 at 1:01 am

    “so basically in 500 PA he accrued a -.4 WAR and got worse LY which is pretty accurate from what I seen, you point?”

    My point was really clear: he has been horrific in more than a season’s worth of MLB PAs. Odds are against him being a 1-2 fWAR player given a whole season of PAs. Sure he can do it, but there’s no reason to expect it at this point. In fact, you should probably expect him to continue being below replacement level going forward.

  121. bbb51 December 17th, 2013 at 1:01 am

    Are they going for oldest infield in the majors?

  122. Ted Nelson December 17th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    “Roberts hit .284/.327/.441 vs lefties last season… so I think this means Kelly Johnson is playing 3B.
    ——–
    Who is playing 2b against righties?”

    Brian Roberts is a switch hitter who has actually hit RHP better on his career. I don’t know that he’s going to manage to play anywhere next season (since he barely has since 2009), but the 2013 splits are based on about 100 PAs against LHP so I wouldn’t count on him repeating them.

  123. pete2 December 17th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    Anna has some pretty impressive OBP and SB numbers in the PCL. Not sure how that translates to MLB, but Phillips and Infante never excited me for the price.

    Of course, now they have signed Roberts who makes Ellsbury looks like Cal Ripken Jr. Also in on Reynolds. Quantity is not quality, but looks like the IF, for better or worse, will be set until they all fight it out in ST and we see what sticks

  124. Cashmoney December 17th, 2013 at 1:15 am

    My point was really clear: he has been horrific in more than a season’s worth of MLB PAs. Odds are against him being a 1-2 fWAR player given a whole season of PAs. Sure he can do it, but there’s no reason to expect it at this point. In fact, you should probably expect him to continue being below replacement level going forward.
    —-
    Negative, he has been bad by fwar stand in 500 PA and Horrific defensively in LY.

    you should probably expect him to continue being below replacement level going forward.
    ——
    I expect him to be bad defensively without consistent playing time at SS. is he below average in speed, in power , in ops as a ML middle infielder, no, on contrary, he is average and even slight above average. So, if the opportunity doesn’t present itself in the say scenario above, he could very well be negative WAR category.

  125. Cashmoney December 17th, 2013 at 1:22 am

    I don’t know that he’s going to manage to play anywhere next season
    ====
    no one knows. The only way it makes sense is if you pay him near league minimum and hope catch the proverbial lightning in the bottle.

  126. Cashmoney December 17th, 2013 at 1:22 am

    A bottle.

  127. Cashmoney December 17th, 2013 at 1:37 am

    Night All.

  128. Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 2:10 am

    “I expressed my desire to take advantage of the new posting system to test myself (in the big leagues),” Tanaka told a press conference following his meeting with Tachibana. “I believe that from this point on, a lot of things will be discussed.”

    Tanaka went 24-0 in the regular season and finished the year having won 28 consecutive decisions since he last took a loss in August 2012. He went 2-1 and saved both of the Eagles’ postseason series-clinching games.

    A knowledgeable source has told Kyodo News that the Eagles made a “gentleman’s agreement” last autumn to honor a request from Tanaka to be posted. Under the previous posting system, letting Tanaka leave could have easily meant a $50 million for the club. Rakuten strenuously objected to the new agreement and is now trying to persuade their pitcher to stay.

    “The team’s position is that he is a key player in our ambition to win back-to-back championships, so we want him to stay,” Tachibana said.

    http://mainichi.jp/english/eng.....4000c.html

  129. bbb51 December 17th, 2013 at 3:18 am

    JF, do you know where I could watch an archived full game with Tanaka pitching? I can only get so much from strikeout highlights on youtube.

  130. blake December 17th, 2013 at 6:39 am

    Is Brian Roberts hurt yet?

  131. RadioKev December 17th, 2013 at 6:57 am

    Have you read any Masahiro Tanaka scouting reports recently? Just a reminder ;)

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....t-starter/

  132. RadioKev December 17th, 2013 at 6:58 am

    The splitter here is sick

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....d-interest

  133. RadioKev December 17th, 2013 at 7:00 am

    It would really be great to have Tanaka and Kuroda on the same team. Kuroda could probably bestow quite a bit of knowledge onto Tanaka, having made the jump so well himself.

  134. RYUKINGDOM December 17th, 2013 at 7:15 am

    I’m here in Japan and tonight on the news they state that the Eagles asked Tanaka for his intentions and he said he wants to challenge the MLB. His team said they need a few days to consider. During the interview they interviewed the Red Sox, Blue Jay Managers and they said there will definately be a bidding war for him. When the Yankees host him for interview they should have Jeter, Kuroda and Ichiro show him around NY and the stadium. Show our facilities.

  135. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:39 am

    I don’t hate the Roberts signing if it’s very cheap….he might actually could still play if he could stay healthy but that seems like a near impossibility.

    I really know nothing about Tanaka other than his split looks very good in the video I’ve seen and that pitch will play in the big leagues…..I’ve read he’s anywhere from a 3 starter to a sure fire ace that might even be better than Darvish longterm.

    No clue….but they should sign him

  136. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:41 am

    Having Ichiro and Kuroda would have to help in getting tanaka right? I would think he wouldn’t want to be on the same club as Darvish and be compared to him …..

  137. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2013 at 7:42 am

    Thanks RYU and Kev

    More from Tanaka

    ===
    Daily Sports has posted portions of Tanaka’s press conference:

    What kinds of things did you say during your meeting?
    I told them I appreciated their support in helping me develop over the seven years I was with the Rakuten Eagles. I also told them I wanted them to give me the opportunity to move on to the next stage [in my career].
    What was the response?
    That they wanted some time.
    So they tried to persuade you to stay?
    That is what they have been always saying from the start. And I took that into consideration before saying what I did.
    When did you decide you wanted to play in the Majors?
    My feelings to play [in the Majors] at some point in the future have never changed. I decided I wanted to take on the challenge of moving to the next stage after the season ended and I started thinking about next season.
    How did they react?
    They were very cordial during our discussions so we were able to talk about a lot of other things as well.
    Spring Training in the United States also begins in February. That is not a lot of time.
    A decision has not yet been made. We will still talk.
    There is still some time before you earn your FA option, but you want to do this while you are still young.
    That is not everything, but that is one [reason].
    What would you like to tell the fans?
    I have nothing but feelings of appreciation. I turned pro after graduating from high school and even though I was hit often while pitching on the Ichi-gun mound, they warmly cheered for me. Those cheers really helped me. I feel the Rakuten Eagles fans helped me grow.

    Source: Daily Sports 12/17/2013
    ===

  138. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Update-

    [UPDATE @ 8:29pm]
    Daily Sports posted a portion of Tachibana’s interaction with the media.
    Your meeting with Tanaka has ended. What kind of things did you talk about?
    I first talked about how much he helped us this year. Then I told him he was an important part of our team next year and asked him to stay.
    Tanaka told you that he wanted to play in the Majors.
    This is not something I can decide right away on my own, so I told him I need to take it back with me [to the others].
    It seems Tanaka is hard-set on playing in the Majors.
    That is something we need to accept and consider with sincerity.
    Is the new system the reason?
    We do not understand everything about the new system, but we see it as being fairly close to free agency.
    When will you have a decision?
    We need to arrive at a decision as soon as possible.
    Will your next meeting with him be your last?
    That I do not know.
    Source: Daily Sports 12/17/2013

  139. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    This club would be amazing if it was 2009

  140. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2013 at 7:50 am

    Stall another few weeks and then by the time you finally let him come to the states the teams will be well into spring training! :(

  141. RYUKINGDOM December 17th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    Don’t under estimate Ichiro’s star status to some of these young Japanese players. That’s why I am worried Yankees dump Ichiro and that won’t play well. I’m positive of that.

  142. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    They can still get under 189 if Arod misses all year and they dumpster dive to fill the rest of the roster…..it’s not mathematically possible for them to sign Tanaka and stay under regardless of what happens with Arod so my question is…..why skimp if you’re going to go over for Tanaka anyway? Unless they aren’t gonna sign Tanaka

  143. RYUKINGDOM December 17th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Yankee Trader. Teams are already working out over here. January will get serious, unlike MLB.

  144. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    RYUKINGDOM says:
    December 17, 2013 at 7:52 am
    Don’t under estimate Ichiro’s star status to some of these young Japanese players. That’s why I am worried Yankees dump Ichiro and that won’t play well. I’m positive of that.

    Sign Tanaka…then dump Ichiro

  145. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    It’s been 5 years since Roberts has had a healthy season…..maybe he’s got one more good one in there. He used to be really good

  146. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    RYU

    Thanks for the info. Do they train indoors now.

    Is Balentein the real deal in Japan? Any word if the home run king wants to return to the States?

  147. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Blake

    I didn’t realize that Roberts was such a stolen base threat-once had 50. Did he have one of his concussions while attempting to steal?

  148. pkyankfan69 December 17th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    I don’t mind the Roberts signing if it’s for peanuts with some incentives built in… It does scare me a bit for the rest of the offseason that they went with what seems to be about the cheapest option possible at 2B. Hal better open up that wallet for Tanaka.

  149. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Per Rosenberg:
    Cubs
    Diamondbacks
    Angels
    Rangers
    Dodgers
    Yankees

    By the time the 30 day window is up, if Tanaka uses all thirty days to sign, some of the above teams will have already signed one of the free agents or traded for a starter.

    The Yankees are putting all their eggs-$$$$$-in one basket.

    Go get him.

  150. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    New Post—–>

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    I think nearly everybody will pay the 20 million posting but lets narrow it down to the actual realistic players here.

    I’m thinking: Yankees, Red Sox, rangers, Angels, dodgers, cubs, maybe the mariners….maybe thendbacks…..that’s about all I can think of that would spend the money

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