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Past picks helped set the stage for this winter of uncertainty

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 16, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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For the past week-plus I’ve been writing about the same, familiar issues that loom over the Yankees this offseason: Uncertainty in the infield, lack of experience in the bullpen, and the need for one more arm in the rotation. It’s hard to get away from those topics because they’re so significant for everything facing the Yankees in the short term and the long term.

But in writing about those specific issues, I’m reminded of the Yankees recent first-round draft picks, each of whom seems to fit perfectly with the specific narrative of this offseason.

No one ready to step in at second or third? No on-the-verge shortstop? No in-house elite starting pitcher? No proven reliever outside of Dave Robertson? Might not be that way if these Yankees top draft picks had worked out as the team imagined on draft day.

2003 — 3B Eric Duncan
New Jersey kid with a big bat. He raked in the lower levels, hit 19 homer runs as a 20-year-old in Double-A, then his career stalled. Duncan’s second Triple-A season was 2007 when he was still just 22. If that he’d hit that year, would the Yankees have re-signed Alex Rodriguez that winter? Would they face such uncertainty at the position this winter?

2004 — RHP Phil Hughes
He made an all-star team, won at least 16 games twice, and played a key bullpen role for that 2009 season that ended in a championship. But still, the lofty expectations mean Hughes’ career with the Yankees will be viewed as a disappointment. He’s not the dependable, top-of-the-rotation arm the Yankees are looking for this winter.

2005 — SS C.J. Henry
The Yankees seemed to acknowledge quickly that this pick might not work out. A year later, he was traded for Bobby Abreu (a good deal that cost the Yankees nothing of significant value). But if Henry had lived up to his athletic upside — it was always assumed he would move positions at some point — he might have emerged as either a third baseman or a second baseman.

Ian Kennedy2006 — RHP Ian Kennedy
In these years, the Yankees trended toward risk-reward high school players, which made college pitcher Kennedy a relatively safe choice. He moved quickly through the system, but after struggling in 12 big league starts, Kennedy was traded as part of the package that brought Curtis Granderson. He’s been up and down, but Kennedy would be interesting No. 4 starter option if the Yankees still had him.

2007 — RHP Andrew Brackman
Taking a big risk on Brackman’s big arm — and big frame, which made his mechanics hard to repeat — the Yankees were thinking pure upside with Brackman. It was pretty quickly mentioned that, if he didn’t work out as a starter, he might be a terrific late-inning reliever. The Yankees could certainly use one of those right now.

2008 — RHP Gerritt Cole
Obviously the Yankees had the right idea. Cole is, in fact, a terrific young pitcher. But he’s pitching for the Pirates after turning down the Yankees contract, playing college ball and being drafted again. The Yankees were shopping for an ace, but couldn’t sign him. As compensation, they were able to draft…

2009 — CF Slade Heathcott
Left-handed center fielder known for his aggressive approach, his terrific speed, and his potential as a leadoff hitter. This was essentially the Yankees attempt at drafting a Jacoby Ellsbury-type, but Heathcott’s been hurt, and the Yankees had to sign Ellsbury instead.

2010 — SS Cito Culver
Even if things had worked out perfectly, it’s hard to assume a high school kid drafted in 2010 would be ready for an everyday big league job in 2014. If you figure one year at each level — beginning with Low A in his first full season — Culver would be moving up to Triple-A this season. Instead, he’s probably heading back to High-A with his prospect status considerably faded. Best-case scenario, though, the Yankees would have a shortstop waiting for a post-Jeter world in 2015.

2011 — 3B Dante Bichette
Now we’re getting into the time frame when it’s hard to expect these guys, in any circumstance, to be ready for a big league role next season. In Bichette, the Yankees thought they were giving themselves an eventual alternative at third base. The power played for a half season, but Bichette has struggled ever since.

2012 — RHP Ty Hensley
Here’s the Yankees past decade of first-rounders in a nutshell: High school kid who immediately had injury problems. With Hensley, it was at least a hip issue, not a shoulder or an elbow. Wouldn’t be in the big league picture yet even without the injury.

2013 — 3B Eric Jagielo
Every time someone writes or mentions that the Yankees need to change something about their player development and scouting, I point to Jagielo. A clear change from their previous draft strategy, Jagielo was one of the most polished bats available, and he happens to play one of the positions of absolute uncertainty. Not ready yet, but the Yankees were actively working to fix a problem. Just have to wait to see how well he develops.

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99 Responses to “Past picks helped set the stage for this winter of uncertainty”

  1. Bret The Hitman December 16th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    They’re batting .000 so far.

  2. Bret The Hitman December 16th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    I don’t even want to see the Sox picks.

  3. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    mick December 16th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    “Mike scooped the world with Arod and it ends up being his undoing?
    He will get a better contract to play for MSG and Dolan.
    Watch.”

    _________

    I haven’t followed this discussion at all but are you saying Francesa was punished because he interviewed Arod right after he stormed out of the arbitration? That was a great spot. Maybe the questions were a little soft but overall that’s what sports journalism should do. Boy do I miss Cosell sometimes.

  4. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Which is why heads like Newman’s should have rolled long ago.

    maybe DO’s as well.

    Clearly something amiss and gone awry.

    What gets done ?

    They fire the conditioning coach.

    What a hoot.

    :)

  5. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    joeman December 16th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    ARod will get what Braun got

    —–

    If he does, that’s clearly a win for A-Rod and his legal team.

  6. ron December 16th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Anytime you can get a 3b prospect like Davidson,for an 80 innings,possible closer,you do it,without blinking.
    We can easily sign a closer,and get a new setup man.
    We have a huge problem at 3b,with,or without arod.
    You can live with Johnson at 3b,or 2b,but it gets ugly when you have ryan,and Johnson manning 3b,and 2b,especially not knowing what jeter will give you.If jeter gets hurt,now you have a very ugly infield of ryan,nunez,johnson.
    Not pretty.Davidson is controllable,through the 2019 season,and is not arb eligible until the 2017,or so,and has some serious pop.
    Yankees have to smarten up.

    Imo,of course.

  7. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    francessa said that the decision by yes to drop his simulcast was due to many reasons. he cited economics and ‘editorial control’ as reasons then said “was arod part of it? I’m sure he was”

    as he went on about it he said he knew this was coming since summer, then later said he knew since summer that there would be no negotiations and that there weren’t any.

    translation: it was because of arod.

    —-

    I really hope they aren’t that petty and that the real reason is because he sucks.

    Then again, they are replacing him with Kay and he’s not any better.

  8. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    I’m out.

    have a good one all.

  9. Irreverent Discourse December 16th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    davidson got traded out of arizona because he couldn’t field properly… who CARES!

    There is no reason at all the Yankees should have traded for this guy. They already have a failure of a prospect in Nunez, they need more?

  10. mick December 16th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    They are evidently done spending money so whoever is left over is ours at SP, RP, 3B.

  11. Irreverent Discourse December 16th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Chad – There were … 300 other “first round players” drafted in those years you mentioned. How many of them have been successful? Like 1/8? 1/10?

    How many of them that the Yankees passed on and were drafted later by some other team have been successful?

    My guess is almost none.

  12. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Boy I miss Eric Duncan. He could sure hit Arizona pitching :)

    Cole was a colossal failure. How do you not know what the family is thinking BEFORE you use the pick?

  13. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    it was before the walkout, it was francessa’s interview with him in july (the one when mike never asked if arod took ped’s) that probably blew up his relationship with the yankees. francessa has said several times that the yankees were very upset with him.

  14. mick December 16th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    YES is the Yankee PR arm and Mike sided with Arod.
    I’m sure Levine and Hal didn’t take kindly to that.
    Mike buried the lead but admitted it.

  15. Patrick December 16th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    I was just listening to MLB radio on XM and Jim Bowden was talking about the Yankees. He thinks that they should trade a prospect for Darwin Barney and have him be the everyday 2B. Not sure why they would do this, they already have that player on the team, his name is Brendan Ryan

  16. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    mick December 16th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    YES is the Yankee PR arm and Mike sided with Arod.
    I’m sure Levine and Hal didn’t take kindly to that.
    Mike buried the lead but admitted it.

    —–

    Like I said, I hope they aren’t that petty. High ratings don’t necessarily indicate intellectually stimulating conversation.

  17. Irreverent Discourse December 16th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    When you basically always draft at the end of the first round, only looking at your first round draft picks is pretty silly, when your supplemental and 2nd round picks should be nearly as valuable.

    This is a systemic development problem. I don’t even know if I would say that their drafting has been the issue because they haven’t turned ANYONE into a major league ready player, regardless of the round they were drafted in.

  18. mick December 16th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    High ratings don’t necessarily indicate intellectually stimulating conversation.
    ===================================
    It’s talk radio.
    Mensa isn’t listening.

  19. blake December 16th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 8m
    Mark Ellis got $5.25M base plus incentives on 1-yr deal. #STLCards as @Ken_Rosenthal said

    that Ellis deal is away better than the Infante deal.

  20. blake December 16th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Darwin Barney sucks

  21. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    ” blake December 16th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Darwin Barney sucks”
    ———————————
    agreed. (but he did out-ops phillips last season)

  22. mick December 16th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Hal is staying as close to 189 as he can.
    Why he would try to fool us into thinking he’s going for Tanaka is PR.
    Let’s hope he adds on next year…

  23. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    it was before the walkout, it was francessa’s interview with him in july (the one when mike never asked if arod took ped’s) that probably blew up his relationship with the yankees. francessa has said several times that the yankees were very upset with him.

    —–

    Well, that’s his take on the issue and we’re only hearing one side.

    Then again, it does seem like those who do speak their mind and don’t always toe the company line have been at odds with the YES execs in the past (Cone and Kaat).

  24. Irreverent Discourse December 16th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Bowden is the same guy that traded an injured player and skimmed money from latin players contracts isn’t he?

    Yeah, let’s see what other brilliant ideas he has!

    How is this guy even allowed on the radio?

  25. blake December 16th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Hughes has won 53 games so according to Ruben Amaro he’s almost as good as Matt Garza!

  26. blake December 16th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    They should sign Baker and get a 3B….then platoon Baker where need be.

  27. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Perhaps YES wants to break the record for having one guy (Kay) host every damn show it broadcasts.

  28. joeman December 16th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    FranMan gone from YES… they should have brought the Dog back…that would be a kick in the azz

  29. Patrick December 16th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    How is this guy even allowed on the radio?

    He’s actually extremely entertaining on the radio. And shockingly more coherent in his analysis than 95% of other radio personalities.

  30. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    mick December 16th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    Hal is staying as close to 189 as he can.
    Why he would try to fool us into thinking he’s going for Tanaka is PR.
    Let’s hope he adds on next year…

    _________

    We talked about this many different ways, but the problem is Hal is going to miss 189 with Arod. And then what is he left with? A budgetary savings of over $30MM and Kelly Johnson playing 2b.

    I say it again, if that happens, I hope the professional media rips him a new one.

  31. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    so i have no idea who the yankees would have chosen had they not chosen gerrit cole.

    the next 2 players taken (#29 & 30) were ss’s, lonnie chisenhall (cle) and casey kelly (bos).

    the next 2 RHP’s taken (#31 & 32) were steven hunt (min) and jacob odorizzi (mil)

  32. blake December 16th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    love Bowden on the radio….

  33. joeman December 16th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Former half of ‘Mike and the Mad Dog’ says that Francesa has been ‘duped’ by A-Rod and that ‘Mike is smarter than this… He knows A-Rod did steroids.’

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z2nfqJGihz

  34. joeman December 16th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    old news but fun read

  35. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Everything really is Arod’s fault

  36. Ted Nelson December 16th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    “The whole back and forth has been simply frustrating.
    All you needed to say was you don’t think Garza is as much of a strikeout pitcher, provided your stat and disagreed.
    I would have agreed to disagree and this would have been over.”

    We can’t agree to disagree. You said that Garza is a swing-and-miss P. You have provided no evidence to support this statement and all the evidence I’ve found contradicts it.

    “I like Matt Garza as a #4 option.
    I think he has the track record to give us a chance to win.”

    This is not what I disagreed with you about. This is why we keep going back and forth. I disagreed with you that Garza is a swing-and-miss or K P. He is not.

    “90+ games in 3 years. Maybe he becomes Matt Garza, maybe better, maybe worse. But I don’t know.
    So I can’t say, with certainty, that Phelps is Matt Garza, without the track record.”

    No one said anything different. What I said is that for what will probably end up being like $45, 50 million difference in salary the next four years the chance that he’s as good as Garza could be well worth taking, especially when they wouldn’t be locked into Phelps and could keep looking for alternatives going forward. In a few months what started as Phelps in the #5 spot (behind Pineda, who I am pretty high on) could become Manny Banluelos or Justin Masterson or whoever else. What starts as Matt Garza is pretty likely to be Matt Garza for a few years given his salary.

    Try to understand someone’s point before arguing so profusely against it. The back and forth is frustrating because you make no effort to understand what I am actually saying. You argue against points I never made.

  37. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    mick December 16th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    YES is the Yankee PR arm and Mike sided with Arod.
    I’m sure Levine and Hal didn’t take kindly to that.
    Mike buried the lead but admitted it.
    ———————-

    I would buy that more except that WFAN is now going to be the radio home of the Yankees.

    The simple answer is that WFAN wanted a ton of money for the simulcast rights to the show and YES didn’t want to pay. Same thing happened with Boomer and Carton on MSG earlier this year.

    ESPN is selling Kay’s show at dirt cheap rates because they’re trying like crazy to bump his ratings into a neighborhood where they compete with Fransayso.

  38. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    “Well, that’s his take on the issue and we’re only hearing one side.

    Then again, it does seem like those who do speak their mind and don’t always toe the company line have been at odds with the YES execs in the past (Cone and Kaat).”
    ====================================================
    that is NOT francessa’s take, at least not what he said on the radio. in fact he was very classy and put it off to several factors, although he did allow that arod was part of it.

    that was my take on reading between the lines of what he said.

  39. mick December 16th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    We talked about this many different ways, but the problem is Hal is going to miss 189 with Arod. And then what is he left with? A budgetary savings of over $30MM and Kelly Johnson playing 2b.
    =======================
    He is looking at seeing what the present group brings to the table.
    Maybe they make a deal in season for Phillips if it’s not working out.
    We will know soon enough about the Arod situation. Maybe we call in Harvey Keitel to fix it.

  40. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    what does ‘mad dog’ russo do now, sell insurance?

    (i thought he was dead!)

  41. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 2m
    Sources: #Astros agree with free-agent RHP Matt Albers on one-year, $2.45M contract with club option, pending physica

    if the astros aren’t careful they are gonna lose being the #1 pick in the draft

  42. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    wiki says that mad dog does sattelite radio!

    they still have that!?!? i should send him a telegram!

  43. mick December 16th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Sure they could have signed Infante or Ellis but not just for the sake of it.
    Either they are going for bigger fish or it’s about the money.
    Who the hell knows.

  44. Ted Nelson December 16th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    In terms of the actual article above… You need to consider reasonable expectations. You have to consider the expected success rate for late first round picks. It’s like 20% for even a marginal MLB contributor. To get a real contributor is probably more like 10%.

    There are 6 picks listed and signed from 2003-9. 2 MLB contributors and one solid but not great prospect. That’s actually a really good success rate, especially since Joba was as much a first rounder as DBJ and also contributed.

    I don’t know what the premise of this article is exactly, but it is not really reasonable to expect many more of those picks to have worked out than did. Especially when you are limiting your sample so severally.

  45. Against All Odds December 16th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
    what does ‘mad dog’ russo do now, sell insurance?

    (i thought he was dead!)

    ———————–

    lol Mad Fog is broadcasting in Siberia somewhere. He should have went back with Mike.

  46. mick December 16th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    If Mad Dog is making muchomoney does he care if anyone listens?

  47. Against All Odds December 16th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    **Dog**

  48. hardwired7 December 16th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    I like to think that all of the whiffs in the draft are part of MLB’s grand conspiracy to subvert the Yankees.

  49. mick December 16th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    I would buy that more except that WFAN is now going to be the radio home of the Yankees.

    The simple answer is that WFAN wanted a ton of money for the simulcast rights to the show and YES didn’t want to pay.
    ===================
    Radio is not television and the simple answer is money but not the right one.
    No one will watch Kay as Mike will go to MSG and beat his ass again.

  50. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    The Yankees don’t get to draft David Prices and Evan Longorias…..so Im not sure what a good success rate would be for where they pick every year.

    The only ones I really have a problem with are Culver and DBJ….simply because they were so off the radar that they probably could have gotten them later in the draft and even if they couldn’t have it was still a reach for both.

    The last 2 years I have liked their drafts…..especially 2013…..who knows if they’ll pan out or not but I think the process is getting better.

  51. Against All Odds December 16th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    I don’t know what the premise of this article is exactly,

    ———————-

    I guess to show that the Yankees haven’t had as much help from the farm as they hoped it would. Obviously not all of them were going to make it but if a couple did it changes not only the the roster but what other moves they could make.

  52. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    and they just gave away their highest pick in years to sign all these players they signed…..that’s not the best way to build the farm system.

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  54. Against All Odds December 16th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    No one will watch Kay as Mike will go to MSG and beat his ass again.

    ————-

    This

    Mike’s followers will just migrate with him and go to MSG.

  55. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    ive been listening to mike since back in the beginning. but his suckiness increases year by year.

    he can’t hide his contempt for callers yet that’s the center of his show, its terrible.

    kay is bombastic and often ridiculous.

    i switch on one or the other depending on the subject or guest or i switch over to music or news.

    i like sports radio but both these guys are terrible and i couldn’t give a crap which one has higher ratings.

    i think wfan should put evan roberts on his show with him, but mike owns the show and he’d never allow that.

  56. Patrick December 16th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    So now that we officially have an agreement, hopefully Rakuten can post (or not) Tanaka. I’m getting kind of tired of this ongoing story, it would be nice to see it resolved one way or another.

  57. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Kay is way more knowledgable and current about baseball than Francessa

  58. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    The Yankees don’t get to draft David Prices and Evan Longorias…..so Im not sure what a good success rate would be for where they pick every year.

    —-
    We certainly agree on that but there are a ton of good players in this league who weren’t 1st round picks.

  59. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    hurry up and post or don’t post Tanaka so we can get on with the Johan Santana signing please

  60. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Patrick December 16th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    So now that we officially have an agreement, hopefully Rakuten can post (or not) Tanaka. I’m getting kind of tired of this ongoing story, it would be nice to see it resolved one way or another.

    —–

    Yeah, I’m tired of this soap opera too although not quite as nauseating as the A-Rod soap opera.

    Whatever happens with these stories, I’d like to see them happen sooner rather than later.

    At least the team could move on instead of playing the waiting game.

  61. Patrick December 16th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    hurry up and post or don’t post Tanaka so we can get on with the Johan Santana signing please

    Haha look at this bozo, clearly we are getting Brandon Arroyo

  62. Chambliss December 16th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    The Yankees look like an 85 win team to me.

    I would take a flyer on Roberts. Give him a contract with lots of incentives for at bats.

  63. UpState December 16th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    The Mad Dog passed away ?
    I didn’t hear that …. so sad.
    Young guy.
    Liked tennis quite a bit.
    Saw him once on Letterman.
    Very sad.

  64. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    “I don’t know what the premise of this article is exactly

    =========================================
    perhaps if you went back to your 4th grade reading class notes you would have recognized:

    “But in writing about those specific issues, I’m reminded of the Yankees recent first-round draft picks, each of whom seems to fit perfectly with the specific narrative of this offseason.”

    the second paragraph, which is clearly the premise. if that was a little hard to see, he expanded in paragraph three:

    “No one ready to step in at second or third? No on-the-verge shortstop? No in-house elite starting pitcher? No proven reliever outside of Dave Robertson? Might not be that way if these Yankees top draft picks had worked out as the team imagined on draft day.”

  65. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    “UpState December 16th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    The Mad Dog passed away ?”
    ========================
    no, he’s still alive thank goodness. three dozen people would have been really upset!

  66. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    “We certainly agree on that but there are a ton of good players in this league who weren’t 1st round picks.”

    sure…..but if you looks at the stars in baseball a whole lot of them were either high picks or international guys.

    I’m not saying the Yanks couldn’t find a few more diamonds in the rough…..but when you automatically cut out the elite talent from the top of the draft every single season that makes it a lot harder…..

    IMO there are only a handful of teams that are actually good at developing players consistently…..the rest either stink so they get a few no brainers every now and then by picking in the top 10……or they get lucky.

  67. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Bronson Arroyo…..lock it down!

  68. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    ” blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Kay is way more knowledgable and current about baseball than Francessa”

    ================================

    yeah, but he’s scared of mayonaise!

  69. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    according to replacement level yankeers (or whoever they copied it off of) jeff karstens is going to post the same WAR as arroyo (+1.2)

  70. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    “yeah, but he’s scared of mayonaise!”

    is there another human being on earth that has never tried a condiment in their life? I don’t believe him…..that’s impossible.

  71. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    why wouldn’t every single team pay the 20 million to talk to Tanaka? They don’t have to pay it unless they get him……

  72. Captain Clutch December 16th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Hal open the check book….
    ————-

    @dylanohernandez

    Sanspo: Rakuten owner Hiroshi Mikitani will allow Masahiro Tanaka to come to the major leagues this winter http://bit.ly/1gCfwfz

  73. hardwired7 December 16th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Tanaka prediction: 6/$115M

  74. UpState December 16th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    “UpState December 16th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    The Mad Dog passed away ?”
    ========================
    no, he’s still alive thank goodness. three dozen people would have been really upset!

    —————————–

    Oh, OK…that would’ve been terrible.
    He was a bit annoying (well-maybe alot annoying)….but he meant well.
    When was the last time anyone heard from him…haven’t heard much for quite some time…still on radio ? Retired ?

  75. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    i guess he’s not counting mayo in egg salad or tuna salad or something because in that case its not a condiment.

    but my point was that he’s very weird. he’s also mega hung up on money. his whole relationship with oniell seems to be about whos’ cheaper.

  76. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Get Tanaka

  77. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    “We certainly agree on that but there are a ton of good players in this league who weren’t 1st round picks.”

    sure…..but if you looks at the stars in baseball a whole lot of them were either high picks or international guys.

    ——

    Yeah, electing not to be more aggressive in IFA has really come back to bite them hard.

    They’ve really shot themselves in the foot since their strategy was to draft a ton of young arms and catchers and they haven’t even done a good job developing them.

  78. Patrick December 16th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 29s
    If Tanaka and the Yanks signed him, seemingly the only way to stay under $189M is for A-Rod to stay suspended.

    Nope. Signing Tanaka puts them way over even with no A-rod

  79. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    “Tanaka prediction: 6/$115M”

    I said 6/100…..he could very will get more though.

  80. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    ‘mad dog’ russo does something called sattilite radio, it became obsolute just about the day he signed on, yet somehow he still gets paid (not unlike arod).

  81. hardwired7 December 16th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Definitely North of $100M with all of the ramped-up interest now, Blake.

  82. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Kay is way more knowledgable and current about baseball than Francessa
    ———————–

    Kay’s problem is that he’s more schtick than substance. It’s actually a problem with most ESPN guys. I also think, by no fault of his own, he’s wildly hypocritical. He complains about the Yankees a lot on his show but never brings those opinions to the broadcast booth.

    I don’t always like Francessa’s approach, but at least you know where he’s coming from.

  83. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    its really hard to believe that all these high-profile writers have no idea where the payroll is.

    embarassing…

  84. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Kay’s conversations with O’Neill during games always seem to be about food.

  85. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 3m
    If Tanaka and the Yanks signed him, seemingly the only way to stay under $189M is for A-Rod to stay suspended.

    I wish 1 writer would take the time to do a little addition and tell the people what the true story is……they cannot sign Tanaka and stay under 189 no matter what happens with Arod.

  86. Captain Clutch December 16th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    @Buster_ESPN

    Lots of speculation among executives that the Cubs are poised to try to strike big on Tanaka. We’ll see.

  87. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Whether A-Rod is suspended or not, I don’t see how they get under $189M without waving a magic wand.

    That said, being slightly over that $189M mark is just as bad as being under it considering how many holes they still have right now.

  88. joeman December 16th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Mad Dog is on SIRUS/XM radio..I believe channel 89 or 85

  89. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Kay is pretty entertaining on the radio I think…..his problem is treating Yankee broadcasts like his radio show.

  90. hardwired7 December 16th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    There’s going to come a day in the not-too-distant future where all of this $189M talk is behind us. Hallelujah!

  91. brianlopez22 December 16th, 2013 at 4:46 pm


    You argue against points I never made.

    I apologize then.
    I must have taken your comment out of context.

  92. brianlopez22 December 16th, 2013 at 4:48 pm


    There’s going to come a day in the not-too-distant future where all of this $189M talk is behind us. Hallelujah!

    We have to get under 189 (first) for two seasons for that day to come.

    Does anyone have the exact # of savings when the Yanks go under for two seasons?

  93. joeman December 16th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    According to Sanspo.com, Rakuten Golden Eagles owner Hiroshi Mikitani will allow Masahiro Tanaka to be posted this offseason.

  94. Patrick December 16th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    brianlopez ..

    Yankees need to get under 189 only one time to reset the luxury tax rate. http://www.fangraphs.com/libra.....uxury-tax/

  95. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
    Kay’s conversations with O’Neill during games always seem to be about food.

    ________

    Kay and I are about the same age. Went to the same college. He must grown up with Phil on WPIX talking to White about cannolis.

  96. Chad Jennings December 16th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Irreverent Discourse December 16th, 2013 at 3:48 pm e

    Chad – There were … 300 other “first round players” drafted in those years you mentioned. How many of them have been successful? Like 1/8? 1/10?

    How many of them that the Yankees passed on and were drafted later by some other team have been successful?

    My guess is almost none.

    No question. Drafting, even in the first round, has a pretty low success rate. I just think it’s interesting that the players the Yankees missed on through the past decade fit perfectly with this offseason. I don’t think the Yankees player development has been the complete mess it’s often made out to be, but their first-round approach of high-risk high school players has been a pretty significant blunder. I think their logic was sound — it was their best chance of getting a guy who might otherwise become Top Five pick at some point — but it just didn’t work. Every gamble seemed to fall flat. I only posted the first rounders today because I was thinking about how well they specifically fit into the narrative of this winter.

  97. brianlopez22 December 16th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    ok, thanks.
    That’s what I thought, but heard something on-air on either espn or mlb, but regardless….

    So the payroll savings from last year to this year + ” get roughly $40 million in savings via the to-be-implemented market disqualification revenue sharing program”

    This would buy us another 2-4 years to build up some position prospects when the big contracts expire.

  98. Chambliss December 16th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Yankees seemed to be sitting pretty just a few years ago with Hughes, Kennedy and Joba. That plan has gone down the crapper.

  99. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    The Yanks drafting performance is not best explained by only looking at their first round picks. It is best explained by a review of how many players are playing now in the major leagues who were originally drafted by the Yanks and how they are performing. I’d like to see that analysis in comparative form especially with respect to position players. Perhaps even with some adjustments for draft placement. I think their performance has been particularly poor with respect to position players but I’ve never seen a comparative analysis in that regard.

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