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Posting system in place, but is Tanaka in play?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 16, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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This afternoon, Major League Baseball and Nippon Professional Baseball officially announced changes to the Japanese posting system. The new system is exactly as expected, with a $20 million cap on the posting fee paid by Major League teams to acquire the negotiating rights. Any team that ties for the highest posting fee will be allowed to negotiate with the player.

Of course, none of this answers the real question of whether Masahiro Tanaka will be posted. Finalizing this agreement was really a technicality at this point. The Rakuten Golden Eagles still have to decide whether they’re going to accept much less than they expected by letting Tanaka head to the U.S.

The offseason will take a significant twist if Tanaka isn’t posted.

Here are the rules of the new posting system as announced by Major League Baseball.

• If an NPB Club wishes to make one of its players available to Major League Clubs, the NPB shall notify the Office of the Commissioner of the NPB player’s potential availability and the “release fee” that a Major League Club must pay to the NPB Club in order to secure the NPB player’s release. The NPB Club may not set the release fee at an amount higher than $20 million and the fee cannot be changed once it has been set by the NPB Club.

• The Office of the Commissioner shall then “post” the NPB player’s availability by notifying all Major League Clubs of the NPB player’s availability and the release fee sought by the NPB Club.

• All “postings” of NPB players must be made between November 1st and February 1st.

• Beginning the day after the player is posted, and concluding 30 days later, any Major League Club willing to pay the release fee set by the NPB Club may then negotiate with the player in an attempt to reach an agreement on a contract.

• If a Major League Club is able to reach an agreement on a contract with the posted NPB player, the Major League Club must pay the NPB Club the designated release fee, which will occur in installments, the timing of which depends on the size of the release fee.

• If the posted NPB player fails to reach an agreement with a Major League Club, the release fee is not owed, the NPB player remains under reserve to his NPB Club, and the player may not be posted again until the following November 1st.

• The term of the new posting agreement is three years, continuing from year-to-year thereafter until either the Office of the Commissioner or the NPB gives notice of its intent to terminate the agreement one hundred and eighty days prior to the anniversary of the commencement of the agreement.

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222 Responses to “Posting system in place, but is Tanaka in play?”

  1. blake December 16th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    get Tanaka

  2. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    ” joeman December 16th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    According to Sanspo.com, Rakuten Golden Eagles owner Hiroshi Mikitani will allow Masahiro Tanaka to be posted this offseason.”
    ———————————————–
    i said all along that they’s post him as soon as they could get thier hands on that money. i didnt think it would be within seconds, though….

  3. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    sorry i meant to say “i said all along that they’d post him as soon as they could to get thier hands on the money”

  4. Tidrow December 16th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Are there any other Japanese imports that can help the Yankees? Is Tanaka the only high caliber talent being posted?

  5. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    ID and Chad –

    I think the issue is less about the players who were drafted and didn’t pan out and more about the lack of player development in general.

    What would be really interesting is to look at someone’s lists of Top 10 Yankee prospects going back the last 10 years – see how many of those guys impacted the Yankees.

    The Yankees haven’t had problems getting talent into the system, the problem they’ve had is in bringing that talent along.

  6. mick December 16th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    so its 30 teams in 30 days?

  7. Patrick December 16th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Get Tanaka!

  8. DaSaint007 December 16th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Get Tanaka!

  9. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    ” brianlopez22 December 16th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    So the payroll savings from last year to this year + ” get roughly $40 million in savings via the to-be-implemented market disqualification revenue sharing program”

    =======================================
    plus the payroll amount beyond 189 x 50% they would have spend this year and each year until the end of this cba. (minus whatever they do pay in LT in the future if they go over again)

  10. blake December 16th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Tanaka, Drew, Baker, and some relief help and the yanks might be the best team in baseball

  11. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    The Yanks drafting performance is not best explained by only looking at their first round picks. It is best explained by a review of how many players are playing now in the major leagues who were originally drafted by the Yanks and how they are performing. I’d like to see that analysis in comparative form especially with respect to position players. Perhaps even with some adjustments for draft placement. I think their performance has been particularly poor with respect to position players but I’ve never seen a comparative analysis in that regard.

  12. RhapsodyInBlue December 16th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Get Tanaka!!

  13. PRDENTIST December 16th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    This posting system is BS. Now teams will post 20 million just to get into the negotiations to drive up the price without really planning to come to a final agreement with the player and not have to pay any money. Small market teams just wanted the contracts to go up so that they could get more money under the LT/Revenue sharing. It will be a big bidding war.

    I also read that Tanaka will be a national free agent at the end of this year so that his current team may lose his rights if he signs with another japan team next year. Then that team posts him, then they will get the 20 million.

  14. austinmac December 16th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Blake,

    I agree with your assessment. That would turn around the fan base and bring excitement. Mainly, we would be darn good. We can dream.

  15. blake December 16th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    austinmac says:
    December 16, 2013 at 5:34 pm
    Blake,

    I agree with your assessment. That would turn around the fan base and bring excitement. Mainly, we would be darn good. We can dream.

    I think that team could win it all if they stayed healthy

  16. austinmac December 16th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Posting is simply free agency that gives $20M of the investment to the Japanese team rather than all to the player. Just like with all free agents, it’s money and years. He seems like a rare commodity at his age.

    This is certainly the $189 test.

  17. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    if you compare the yankees keeping a steady $229M payroll this year though 2016 vs going under $189 this year and then going back to $229 in 2015 and 2016 (cba ends after 2016 season) then the LT savings would be $28M plus the $30M in payroll savings for this year for a total of $58M. then add in the revenue sharing.

    at least that’s what i came up with, someone could check the math if they’d like.

  18. austinmac December 16th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    That team could bring into reality the extra tens of millions for going deep in the playoffs. I am just not convinced they will come close to this.

    Why are they stringing Baker along? Money, albeit only a couple million, to use for Tanaka? I had hoped because we were close on another option but apparently not.

  19. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    I wish something would happen, just change the sujbect.

  20. Your Name Here December 16th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Being on the West Coast is going to play into Tanaka’s decision. Dodgers, Mariners and Angels should be front runners for him.

  21. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    PRDENTIST December 16th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    This posting system is BS. Now teams will post 20 million just to get into the negotiations to drive up the price without really planning to come to a final agreement with the player and not have to pay any money. Small market teams just wanted the contracts to go up so that they could get more money under the LT/Revenue sharing. It will be a big bidding war.

    ——

    Jerk is usually the go-to guy on such matters and I seem to recall him addressing this concern and claiming there are “good faith” clauses which would prohibit such actions.

    That said, I’m not sure how you can prove that a team isn’t acting in good faith.

  22. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    my thinking coming into this offseason was that the yankees would go over if they signed cano or tanaka.

    apparently that’s still the plan, except that it’s become obvious that from where they are, they can’t get back under $189 even if they strike out on both.

    i think the FO is holding out hope of trading ichiro and/or soriano and getting back under 189 if they dont land tanaka.

    it won’t happen but its hard to explain cutting off the tap as soon as cano fled.

  23. blake December 16th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Well the only one the new posting system sucks for is the Japanese teams….otherwise it just makes them like every other FA

  24. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    bidding up FA’s has nothing to do with the posting system. teams can do that with every player now. what stops them is the chance that the player will accept thier ‘upbid’

  25. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Perhaps the dream comes true.

    Kuroda the mentor. Tanaka the pupil.

    :)

  26. Ted Nelson December 16th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    “The Yankees don’t get to draft David Prices and Evan Longorias…..so Im not sure what a good success rate would be for where they pick every year.”

    This is overly simplistic, but scrolling through baseball-reference for picks from around the mid-20s to the mid-30s gave me something like a 20% chance of at least 1 career bWAR. It was a while ago and I don’t remember the rates for actual contributors, but it was significantly lower than that.

    Basically… from any one late first rounder you shouldn’t expect much and from there on it only gets worse. Of course bonuses come into play (and used to a lot more).

    “The only ones I really have a problem with are Culver and DBJ….simply because they were so off the radar that they probably could have gotten them later in the draft and even if they couldn’t have it was still a reach for both.”

    I think people are unfairly deterministic with Culver because it hasn’t worked out. Opp was pretty clear in 2010 that he had a reliable source that Culver would not have been available in the 2nd. I really can’t blame them for that pick. A “reach” is all subjective. According to some mainstream rankings Clarkin was a huge reach where the Yankees took him while others had him as a strong value. They look completely right about Culver’s D, just wrong about his O. Still, the offensive bar is low at SS. It wasn’t so crazy to think that an athletic SH from a cold weather state with a strong work ethic would make some more offensive progress. It was a bit of a risk reward pick, because if Culver had put it together offensively he would have been an insanely valuable pick as a SH true SS. You’re going to miss on a lot of those, but when you do hit it’s a tremendous win. I haven’t lost all hope for Cito, either. I don’t have much, but he might be able to contribute a little as a UTL at some point. Again, the bar isn’t high. Could he be as good in a few years as Pena, Nunez, even Nix? Possibly.

    I don’t know what happened with DBJ. No progress at all in his second year in Charleston. In fairness, though, he wasn’t even a top 50 pick. He was effectively a second rounder. I think people set the bar a little high there just because he was their first pick that year and made headlines due to bloodlines. Might have been a nepotism pick, I don’t know. He was on’y taken 15 spots ahead of where Katoh was taken, though.

    “The last 2 years I have liked their drafts…..especially 2013…..who knows if they’ll pan out or not but I think the process is getting better.”

    It’s pretty easy to like a draft when you have 3 firsts.

    It’s pretty hard to say what the process has been. We only actually know what the results were. We don’t know even who their second choices were with their picks. Perhaps if one of their guys in 2013 were off the board they would have dropped a bombshell by taking Katoh in the first (people freaked out that he was a reach in the 2nd…). Perhaps if Culver or DBJ were off the board they

    You’re looking at an insanely small sample. If you look at the entire draft even you’re going to see a lot of similarities in approach. You’re going to see similar RPs taken. You’re going to see some high upside bats like Williams then and Aune now. Some offense-only Cs in Austin, Bird, and O’Brien. You’ll see a surprise 2nd rounder in Katoh who was only taken 15 spots behind where DBJ was taken. I’m not at all convinced the process has changed.

  27. Ted Nelson December 16th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    “and they just gave away their highest pick in years to sign all these players they signed…..that’s not the best way to build the farm system.”

    Building the farm system is only a means to building the team, not an end in itself.

    I could have seen a strategy of picking off the best non-QO guys, but I can’t really complain about going big for sure bets at the cost of prospects with little chance of amounting to anything.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for building a strong farm and place a certain value on picks. I just think that value is a small fraction of what those guys signed for.

  28. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Screeds upon screeds. c’,mon, folks.

  29. Ted Nelson December 16th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    “We certainly agree on that but there are a ton of good players in this league who weren’t 1st round picks.”

    The rate of success is significantly higher in the first than later. Insanely so in the early first. The Yankees actually draft quite well later in the draft.

    “perhaps if you went back to your 4th grade reading class notes you would have recognized:”

    The premise is so loosely related to the analysis that follows that I don’t know what he’s trying to say. A handful of first round picks is not the reason the Yankees are in this situation. Which is a case I made. If you’re going to belittle other people, try to say something at least semi-intelligent.

    “The Yanks drafting performance is not best explained by only looking at their first round picks. It is best explained by a review of how many players are playing now in the major leagues who were originally drafted by the Yanks and how they are performing. I’d like to see that analysis in comparative form especially with respect to position players. Perhaps even with some adjustments for draft placement. I think their performance has been particularly poor with respect to position players but I’ve never seen a comparative analysis in that regard.”

    This is basically how it should be done. This is going to tell you a lot more about their system years ago than now, though. When you look at Cano, Gardner, and AJax the position player output for the era preceding this one was not bad. They used a lot of their big draft assets on P talent from like 2004-8, so it’s not surprising that they brought up more Ps than position players.

  30. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    did someone order the ted nelson book for my kindle?

  31. tomingeorgia December 16th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    jee.

  32. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Word for Jeff:

    Cubs, Rangers, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels all in contact. Would like to wear pinstripes, they’ve all told him they are waiting for the pitching to clear up. He has heard terms ranging from 1 yr at 1.8 mill – 3 x 2.5. Says Cash and Levine are talking with his agent everyday and thinks Cash is a straight shooter, FWIW.

  33. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Sorry not Angels, Giants…My bad

  34. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    interviews with drob and mccann coming up on yankees hot stove.

    not much news to talk about since the last show, though.

  35. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Good news on Tanaka, now let’s start with the predictions.

    I think he ends up with 6-7 years at ~130 million.

  36. blake December 16th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Baker makes so much sense

  37. Shame Spencer December 16th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Thanks for the info Michelle.. not sure what they’re waiting on with Baker, tbh.

  38. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    maybe they havent completely shut the door on phillips.

  39. pete2 December 16th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    I am not very optimistic the Yankees will sign him. They may make a show of it though to help sales. Hope they prove me wrong although I am a bit worried about his declining K/9 and his Daisuke like physique (as opposed to Darvish). However, seeing what Uehara can do with an 89 mph FB and splitter (albeit at closer) makes me want to take a chance.

    No doubt in my mind he gets posted. Japanese team revenues are about 1/5 MLB revenues, as are the salaries. 20 million is like 100 million to an MLB team. Also, the Yen depreciation the last couple of years makes 20 million more like 25 million.

  40. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Tanaka’s impending domestic free agency is actually not an issue. If he changes teams it pushes back his international free agency by 4 years. There simply isn’t alot of player movement in Japan and certainly not for top players, they almost always resign with their team since contacts are not that big.

  41. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    maybe they havent completely shut the door on phillips.

    ___

    Or Ackley or Barney.

    I still believe they could just as easily find a power hitting 3B and let Pirela, CoJo, Nunez and Johnson battle for 2B in spring training.

    They need either a 2b or 3b though…

  42. austinmac December 16th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Thanks, Michelle. Good stuff. Some day I will have inside information. Or not.

  43. luis December 16th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Good evening guys,

    Get Tanaka san!!!

    Last night I took the time to see Bailey’s stats… His WHIP has been trending down in a big way…He could be a good target if we miss on Tanaka san

    About Garza…Thanks but no thanks…You can get similar production from our internal depth at a fraction of the cost… If they are going to get an SP, they need to get a solid mid rotation starter with top of the rotation potential…Garza isn’t that, neither is Ubaldo

  44. Irreverent Discourse December 16th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Chad – I appreciate the response. I didn’t mean to suggest you should have listed all of the draft picks, just that it is a bit misleading to just look at that list of guys and say their actual drafting would be the main concern.

    As Chip said above, they have had some pretty significant talent in their minor league system despite their inability to draft well… and they still haven’t really brought any of those guys along to the major league level in a useful fashion.

  45. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Austin, i just happen to know him. that’s all. Funny, though we dont talk all that often, whenever there is something baseball related that he thinks i should know, he texts me. He’s a nice guy. When you work in professional sports, you form a lot of really solid albeit long distance friendships.

  46. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Does Hal have the stomach for a bidding war ?

  47. luis December 16th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Excuse my ignorance, about who is Michele talking about?

  48. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Luis-

    You mean you just caught on to Bailey ?

    :)

  49. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    “No doubt in my mind he gets posted. Japanese team revenues are about 1/5 MLB revenues, as are the salaries. 20 million is like 100 million to an MLB team. Also, the Yen depreciation the last couple of years makes 20 million more like 25 million.”

    ______

    It’s actually a lot more than that. I pointed this out a couple weeks ago. The $20MM would be considered an extraordinary item on a corporation’s income statement and should feed right into net income. Depending on gross margins, it may actually equate to $200MM in gross revenue. Which is why I’ve been saying I can’t see how a public company can avoid passing this up.

  50. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Steve-

    At the library. Internet at home Weds.

    I’d appreciate an update if you are available.

  51. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Luis-

    Baker

  52. luis December 16th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    MTU December 16th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
    Luis-

    You mean you just caught on to Bailey ?

    :)

    ===================

    Pretty much…I want Tanaka…But Bailey stats are trending in the right way…His WHIP is ace like and he is doing it in a batters park…So yeah, I wouldn’t be dissapointed if we get him at all…But it wasn’t until yesterday that I understood your fixation with him…Better late than never right? :)

  53. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Luis-

    Jeff Baker

  54. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Luis-

    When I get locked in on a guy it’s usually for a good reason.

    Welcome aboard.

    :)

  55. luis December 16th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Thanks Michelle and MTU

  56. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    This is the test.

    We’ll see what Hal is made of now.

    See if he has the stomach for a bidding war ?

    And the cajones to take a big risk ?

  57. blake December 16th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    Michelle,
    Thanks for the info….at those prices he seems like a no brainer for the yanks….he mashes lefties

  58. luis December 16th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Question to the forum:

    Baker’s numbers from last season are very good (902 OPS in 175 AB but playing for Texas though)…But on limited playing time…He hasn’t have more than 330 at bats at any point in time in his career…It seems to me that he is a very good 2B backup…Do we need another backup player or do we need a starter?… Unless they are thinking about platooning him with Johnson, I don’t see the real need if you ask me.

  59. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    I’ll bet Jay-Z is hoping to land him as a client.

    BTW–
    Q: What did Jay-Z call his girlfriend before they got married?
    A: Feyonce.

  60. BIG AL December 16th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    MTU -

    This comes down to just money, and if the Yankees are serious, then there is no way they should lose out, other than Tanaka wanting to pitch elsewhere.

    My offer; $200/10 – then lets separate the men from the boys!

  61. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Luis-

    I believe you answered your own question.

    He’s a platoon partner for Johnson.

  62. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    We need a REAL starter at 3B and 2B.
    It doesn’t have to be a superstar.

    I think we only need real quality at one or the other.

    Someone said Aramis Ramirez at 3B.

    If that happened they could try out the Josephs, Pirelas and Nunezs for the everyday 2B.

    I actually think Nunez could be better at 2B because of the shorter throw to 1st.

  63. Poetkiosk December 16th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Hal

    Get it done.

    - Yankee fans.

  64. blake December 16th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Obviously there is a lot more to the game than homers…..but I think it’s very possible that a Johnson/Baker platoon at 2B could hit homer homers than Cano in 2014

  65. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Hi Al.

    That would certainly blow away the completion.

    :)

  66. BIG AL December 16th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    BoJo -

    If he wrote a song about and for her, it was most likely full og the “F” word, “B” word and “C” word. After all, that’s how he rocks. LOL. :)

  67. austinmac December 16th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    Michelle,

    I have two brushes with Yankeedom. Jeter held the door open for me at a Starbucks. Sadly, I barely noticed his girlfriend. My other is Trey Hillman gave my son a couple batting lessons. Neither told me inside scoop. Keep him talking. We’re starving for news around here.

  68. BIG AL December 16th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    Mike -

    What are your thoughts as to what the GM’s would place his value at?

  69. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    blake December 16th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
    Obviously there is a lot more to the game than homers…..but I think it’s very possible that a Johnson/Baker platoon at 2B could hit homer homers than Cano in 2014

    _________

    The problem is Johnson’s value is almost entirely in slugging. He’ll take a walk but he strikes out more than 2-3 times as much as he walks. And he probably won’t hit more than .230. That’s def not my kind of offensive player. Not Stick’s either.

  70. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Al-

    If it were me I would value him conservatively.

    Meaning I’d slot him in the middle w upside if all went well.

    As a 25 yr. old untested guy in today’s market ?

    I’d say 15-20 per.

    The longer the contract the lower the AAV.

    If he goes like Darvish figure a 5-6 yr. deal.

    You do the math.

    ;)

  71. tbone1570 December 16th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Michelle,

    Baker has no issue with you divulging “private” info?

  72. BIG AL December 16th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Mike -

    I want Tanaka, this young man is the real deal. At age 25, I’d offer him $200/10, I truely believe he’s worth it, and that offer could push the majority of other interested teams running for the door.

    Look at it this way, if the old posting system were in place, it could have taken $60-$70M just to win the right to sign him, plus your suggested 5-6 year contract. This will be a better gamble!

  73. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    yankees hot stove put up a graphic of the projected starting lineup for 2014 as of now,

    jeter was hitting 7th!

    ells, gardner, beltran, tex, sori, mccann, jeter johnson, ryan!

    i can think of 5 or so possible starting lineups with that group, but that is definitely NOT one of them.

  74. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    I’d be surprised if Cashman pursues Baker….not enough glove. I think his interest in Barney indicates that he wants a superior glove for 2B.

  75. blake December 16th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    “The problem is Johnson’s value is almost entirely in slugging. He’ll take a walk but he strikes out more than 2-3 times as much as he walks. And he probably won’t hit more than .230. That’s def not my kind of offensive player. Not Stick’s either.”

    Well it’s not perfect but it’s not terrible given the situation

  76. blake December 16th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Barney sucks….we already have one of those in Ryan

  77. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    tbone – nah, he is aware that i post on a blog. Nothing is really secret. He didnt tell me which teams the numbers are attached to. He also said that in the last 24 hours the GIants have been pushing really hard.

  78. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Al-

    Tanaka, despite his obvious accomplishments, represents a substantial risk.

    He is well scouted though so there’s that.

    Yankees would have to hope their scouts are as good as Texas’s.

    Still there are many variables.

    If they were truly serious they could go a certain # of years guaranteed and add some Team options
    beyond.

  79. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    lorenz read that lineup like it was a practical joke, “..jeter?..jonson?…ryan!?…who put this lineup together jack?

  80. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    There’s not a chance Girardi will bat Jeter 7th in the lineup even though it does make a lot more sense.

    It’s reasons like that (and not even trying to move him from SS) which have hurt the team over the years.

    One player, no matter who he is, is not bigger than the team.

  81. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    “Well it’s not perfect but it’s not terrible given the situation”

    Well with Baker it’s prob the best way to go now. I wonder what kind of fielder Navarro is at 2b. The guy is doing it all offensively in Dom winter league. Walks, avg, power, run production. A little Cano :)

  82. BIG AL December 16th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Mike -

    I just hope Hal & co. are serious, with no limits when it comes to a bidding war.

    It would be great if Boras were his agent, then all Cashman would have to do is say; Bring me your best offer, and we’ll beat it.

    When the deal is done, you can sing a song to Jay-Z, My Man’s Playing for a Winner, and Your Man’s gone so far west, he’ll never be heard of again, good luck sukker!

  83. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    blake December 16th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
    Barney sucks….we already have one of those in Ryan
    ————
    Barney and Ryan, and a whole season of crying.

  84. austinmac December 16th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Sherman says Beckham could be available. He is kind of like Ackley. You expect more. Not a bad option to try.

  85. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Al-

    Looks like we might find out.

    If I were Tanaka that’s who I would use.

  86. luis December 16th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
    “Well it’s not perfect but it’s not terrible given the situation”

    Well with Baker it’s prob the best way to go now. I wonder what kind of fielder Navarro is at 2b. The guy is doing it all offensively in Dom winter league. Walks, avg, power, run production. A little Cano :)

    ====================

    lol…. I wouldn’t use the term “A little Cano” though…Those kind of players don’t grow on trees… No sabes?

    Putting a platoon at 2B in place would be another sign that they plan to go on the cheap side the rest of the way

  87. theREALkevin December 16th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Tidrow,

    Kenta Maeda is another Japanese pitcher that might be posted. Could be a legit MLB starter and if it wasn’t for tanaka he’d be getting talked about more.

  88. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Mac-

    The WS have been very active this OS.

    The one I’d like over there is De Aza.

    Beckham was a top prospect at one time.

  89. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Cashman really has hands tied for the moment…he has to wait out Tanaka issue as well as ARod issue before he can address 2B, 3B, or bullpen.

    I have a gut feeling that ARod will be back in 2014 at 3B.

    BTW–even if the team misses the $189M cap thus year, don’t they still get the benefit if they hit it in a future year? (Even though benefit is pushed off…)

  90. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    “Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    There’s not a chance Girardi will bat Jeter 7th in the lineup even though it does make a lot more sense.

    It’s reasons like that (and not even trying to move him from SS) which have hurt the team over the years.

    One player, no matter who he is, is not bigger than the team.

    =======================================
    i agree. it’s called ripkenitis.

    but i dont think it’s giradi’s call.

  91. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Luis-

    They need to save all of their juice for Mr. T.

  92. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    theREALkevin December 16th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
    Tidrow,

    Kenta Maeda is another Japanese pitcher that might be posted. Could be a legit MLB starter and if it wasn’t for tanaka he’d be getting talked about more.

    ______

    Didn’t the Yanks sign a Maeda years ago? I think he sucked.

  93. BIG AL December 16th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Mike -

    Can’t wait to see the A-Rod situation made final, that’s the only way the FO will be able to judge what they will need going forward, right now it’s all guess work.

  94. blake December 16th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Baker and Johnson combined for 27 homers last year in 190 games…..if you straight platooned them I think they’d hit a similar number in 162

  95. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    Al-

    They’ve budgeted as if he will be there all season according to Wanzies222.

    He won’t be.

    My guess is around 100 games.

    That seems to be about a compromise.

  96. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    BTW–even if the team misses the $189M cap thus year, don’t they still get the benefit if they hit it in a future year? (Even though benefit is pushed off…)
    =============================================
    yes, but the yankees are on the hook for arod’s salary for at least 140 games so it will be much harder to get under it then.

    2016 is the last year of this cba, so even if they chose to get under for that season, that may not save them a penny in the end.

    the sooner they get under the more they save under this cba.

  97. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    “Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    There’s not a chance Girardi will bat Jeter 7th in the lineup even though it does make a lot more sense.

    It’s reasons like that (and not even trying to move him from SS) which have hurt the team over the years.

    =======================================
    i agree. it’s called ripkenitis.

    but i dont think it’s giradi’s call.

    —–
    I should make a correction:

    One player, no matter who he is, SHOULDN’T BE bigger than the team.

    But I guess the Yanks FO never got that memo.

  98. luis December 16th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    MTU December 16th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
    Luis-

    They need to save all of their juice for Mr. T.

    ========================

    Mr T?…From the A team? ;) I would love a player named Hannibal :D

  99. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    “the yankees are on the hook for arod’s salary for at least 140 games so it will be much harder to get under it then.” i meant in 2015

  100. Howler December 16th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    It’s a line-up just like one made up here…pure conjecture..It’s more likely you’re going to be seeing one with Gardner batting ninth if he’s still with the team, and it’s not even sure Jeter is going to be starting the season on the active roster

  101. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Blake–

    Is Baker really even an option at 2B anymore? He really only player 1 game there in 2013, 1 in 2012 and 8 in 2011.

  102. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Blake-

    Baker’s output last year was unusual.

    He doesn’t usually show that kind of power.

    Check his #’s.

  103. tbone1570 December 16th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Michelle,

    That’s cool of him. Not all guys want that kind of info being put out on blogs.

  104. chicken_stanley December 16th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    The high number of teams likely to ante up for Tanaka combined with Tanakas age and upside could be exploited by a talented agent into a feeding frenzy… the terms could get ugly

  105. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Talking about Baker as an option at 2B sounds a lot like saying Soriano could play there….doesn’t seem realistic.

  106. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Luis-

    That’s my nickname for him.

    If we get him you can call him anything you like.

    I assume it would be something positive and real PG. That means he’s doing well.

    ;)

  107. austinmac December 16th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    MTU,

    Mr. T. Let’s go get that sucka!

  108. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    lol…. I wouldn’t use the term “A little Cano” though…Those kind of players don’t grow on trees… No sabes?

    Putting a platoon at 2B in place would be another sign that they plan to go on the cheap side the rest of the way

    _______

    Oh there def going cheap there. Third base too.

    It’s a shame guys like Navarro or Joseph don’t ever get a shot. I don’t think it’s a given that Johnson or Baker are better than they are. But those guys will get invited to ST, and even if they hit .600 no one cares. They are basically playing for playing time in Scranton. The only way they’ll sniff the MLs is if something happens during the season. Then they might get a week’s worth of ABs (remember Neal last year?). Once that prospect label wears off, it doesn’t matter what you do. Start checking the local Walmart open shifts.

  109. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Bojo-

    Boras would have a field day w it.

    ;)

  110. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Austin- If jeter had opened the door for me anywhere, i would have never made it through the door. I would have fainted. I cant even believe im saying this, but i would be super star struck. Him and Dan Marino are my sports Idols. I’ve met Dan on a number of occasions, but never Derek.

  111. Carlo December 16th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Howie Kendrick for phelps/warren + romine/Murphy. Who hangs up?

  112. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Library closes soon.

    :(

  113. Howler December 16th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    realistically I think there are quite a few teams that’d be out of the running pretty quickly considering their ability to field a good team, location and what they already have available.

  114. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Or even Mark Reynolds has as much playing time as Baker at 2B in the last 2 years (2 games).

  115. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    MTU

    can you find an all night laundry mat? The laundry mats out here have free wifi.

  116. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Carlo December 16th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
    Howie Kendrick for phelps/warren + romine/Murphy. Who hangs up?
    —-
    The Angels.

  117. blake December 16th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    MTU,
    Sure but he has OPSd .875 for his career vs LHP ….he hits them well

  118. blake December 16th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    BoJo says:
    December 16, 2013 at 7:24 pm
    Blake–

    Is Baker really even an option at 2B anymore? He really only player 1 game there in 2013, 1 in 2012 and 8 in 2011.

    I think so….part time anyways

  119. MTU December 16th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Michelle-

    There’s McDucks.

    I live in a very small town.

    They roll in the sidewalks early.

    Anyway, got to get home to care of the Mop.

    See ya’ when I can.

    Have a good night.

    :)

  120. blake December 16th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Carlo says:
    December 16, 2013 at 7:27 pm
    Howie Kendrick for phelps/warren + romine/Murphy. Who hangs up?

    Probably the Angels but Id do that from the yanks POV

  121. BIG AL December 16th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    Good night, I’m going as well.

    Good night folks – Y’all have a great evening!

  122. DaSaint007 December 16th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    MTU…Starbucks.

  123. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Austin- If jeter had opened the door for me anywhere, i would have never made it through the door. I would have fainted. I cant even believe im saying this, but i would be super star struck. Him and Dan Marino are my sports Idols. I’ve met Dan on a number of occasions, but never Derek.

    __________

    My niece met DJ a couple years ago. I think she was in Boston or Baltimore and knew where the Yanks were staying. She asked somebody at the hotel where Jeter was and they just pointed him out. He was having drinks in the hotel bar with some friends. She waited for him to go to the elevator and stopped and said hello and talked a bit. She said he was very nice.

  124. chicken_stanley December 16th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Mike, after spending nearly 6 hours there today I can say with confidence that you can lounge around a local McDonalds and use their wifi (expect your clothes to smell like burgers afterwards though :) )

  125. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    blake December 16th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
    BoJo says:
    December 16, 2013 at 7:24 pm
    Blake–

    Is Baker really even an option at 2B anymore? He really only player 1 game there in 2013, 1 in 2012 and 8 in 2011.

    I think so….part time anyways
    ———-
    I don’t think Cashman would even consider throwing a player with only 10 games at 2B over last 3 years into a platoon mix. I’d be shocked if it happened.

  126. tbone1570 December 16th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    My niece met DJ a couple years ago. I think she was in Boston or Baltimore and knew where the Yanks were staying. She asked somebody at the hotel where Jeter was and they just pointed him out. He was having drinks in the hotel bar with some friends. She waited for him to go to the elevator and stopped and said hello and talked a bit. She said he was very nice.

    ***************************************
    I met Jeter on a couple of occasions. Very down to earth kind of guy, a real nice kid.

  127. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    I actually think Cashman should have waited a little longer on David Adams as a 2B option…sorry to see him go before he got a 2nd year chance.

  128. mick December 16th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    Johnson is their 2B as of now and should get the majority of the games there.
    Baker could play some OF and a little 3B vs leftys.
    Maybe this frees Ichiro in a deal.
    Thinking they pickup Reynolds for 3B/1B.
    Not major deals.
    Need Tanaka and some relief, which is still out there.
    Moving right along…

  129. Carlo December 16th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    I think I have an inflated view of Kendrick because he kills us. Thus, I thought maybe this trade was more balanced than expected

  130. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Bigdan -

    Im jealous. I know where the teams stay when they come to play the Athletics and the Giants, but im not sure i would have the intestinal fortitude to go there. I did get some really great tickets on the field adjacent to the Yankees dugout at the O.co a few years ago. I got Reggie Jackson’s autograph, chatted with Tex and Cano, Mike Harkey and Jorge. But, Jeter spent most of his time stretching and talking to Joe Girardi in the dugout.

  131. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
    ———-
    I don’t think Cashman would even consider throwing a player with only 10 games at 2B over last 3 years into a platoon mix. I’d be shocked if it happened.

    ______

    You are right. I don’t think that’s going to happen. So what would the Yanks want then from Baker? Would he just be the super utility guy then with Johnson given the starting job? Would he be competing with Nunie? Maybe it’s Nunie and Johnson as your starters and Ryan and Baker as backups? Lovely.

  132. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    My niece met DJ a couple years ago. I think she was in Boston or Baltimore and knew where the Yanks were staying. She asked somebody at the hotel where Jeter was and they just pointed him out. He was having drinks in the hotel bar with some friends. She waited for him to go to the elevator and stopped and said hello and talked a bit. She said he was very nice.

    —–

    She didn’t happen to tell you if she got one of his infamous gift baskets, did she? LOL.

  133. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
    Bigdan -

    Im jealous. I know where the teams stay when they come to play the Athletics and the Giants, but im not sure i would have the intestinal fortitude to go there. I did get some really great tickets on the field adjacent to the Yankees dugout at the O.co a few years ago. I got Reggie Jackson’s autograph, chatted with Tex and Cano, Mike Harkey and Jorge. But, Jeter spent most of his time stretching and talking to Joe Girardi in the dugout.

    _______

    My niece is super pushy haha. I’ve been down behind home plate for Angels games and Reggie was super friendly. Jeter actually didn’t mingle at all.

  134. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    in addition to mark reynolds, also on #yankees radar are michael young and brian roberts
    ____

    I actually wouldn’t mind a flier on Roberts.
    Reynolds makes sense as a back up for 3b and 1b.

  135. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    im quite sure giradi would give baker a chance in ST to show that he can handle second base. if he can’t then he shouldnt play him in the RS.

  136. bigdan22 December 16th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    “She didn’t happen to tell you if she got one of his infamous gift baskets, did she? LOL.”

    ________

    Now stop that :) She’s happily married. I think. Till she gets divorced again lol.

  137. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Laundromat…Seriously? Sorry for the mix up – wont happen again.

  138. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    i liked laundry mat!

  139. pkyankfan69 December 16th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    I never really thought about it, I’ve never been to one, but I would have assumed it would be laundry mat too.

  140. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Hi Michelle

    Dan Marino. Great quarterback drafted in one of the best NFL drafts of all time. Because he was thought to abuse drugs at Pitt, he was the last if these five QBacks to be drafted:

    John Elway, QB, Broncos (Round 1, pick 1)

    Eric Dickerson, RB, Rams (Round 1, pick 2)

    Bruce Matthews, G, Oilers (Round 1, pick 9)

    Jim Kelly, QB, Bills (Round 1, pick 14)

    Dan Marino, QB, Dolphins (Round 1, pick 27)

  141. pkyankfan69 December 16th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Dear Hal,

    If you sign Tanaka I promise to buy a jersey!

    Just think about all the revenue!

  142. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Sorry the last of these three

  143. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Yt -

    Life long Dolphin Fan, here! Been suffering for the last 12 years since he left. I think we may have found his replacement finally. But Danny, will always be my favorite.

  144. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    “There’s not a chance Girardi will bat Jeter 7th in the lineup even though it does make a lot more sense.

    It’s reasons like that (and not even trying to move him from SS) which have hurt the team over the years.”

    Sorry GF thats just BS.

    First I think if ardner and Ellsbury are on this team, there is a really good chance Jets hits down in the line up vs RH.

    Second How exactly has Jeter hurt the Yankees? Jeter gets so much undeserved crap from Yankees fans, mainly because he doesn’t have the range of Nunez. Get freaking real, and see the big picture with all the Jeter criticism.

    rant over.

  145. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    PS that draft was filled with Hall Of Famers

  146. Carlo December 16th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Heyman saying yanks looking at Roberts and Young. I would sign both, then one of tanaka/garza and call it a winter. We’re a much better team on paper than the team we were last year with the roster looking something like this:

    Tex
    Roberts
    Jeter
    Young
    McCann
    Soriano
    Ellsbury
    Beltran
    Garder

    Bench:
    Ryan / Johnson
    Wells or ichiro
    Cervelli

    Staff:
    Sabathia
    Kuroda
    Tanaka or garza
    Nova
    Phelps/Pineda/warren

    Pen:
    Robertson
    Kelly
    Claiborne
    Two of phelps/Pineda/warren
    Cabral or other lefty
    Betances

  147. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    “There’s not a chance Girardi will bat Jeter 7th in the lineup even though it does make a lot more sense.

    ____

    Since there is no way Jeter moves to the bottom of the lineup, I saw 1-2-3 could be Gardner, Jeter, Ellsbury.

    Then Soriano, Tex, McCann….

  148. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Heyman saying yanks looking at Roberts and Young. I would sign both, then one of tanaka/garza and call it a winter. We’re a much better team on paper than the team we were last year with the roster looking something like this:

    ___

    At this point, I’d go Roberts and Young or Reynolds. Young and Reynolds are about the same and fill the same need. Both can play 1B and 3B kinda sorta adequately, Reynolds can homer and Young can hit for singles.

  149. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Tar,

    We can agree to disagree but I’ll maintain that anybody but Jeter would have been moved from SS years ago.

    I also strongly believe he’s going to be hitting 2nd in the lineup whether Gardner is on the team come Opening Day or not.

  150. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Pen:
    Robertson
    Kelly
    Claiborne
    Two of phelps/Pineda/warren
    Cabral or other lefty
    Betances
    ___

    Keep Pineda out of the pen.
    They better not Joba him.
    If they are worried about stamina, start him at AAA.

    The guy was a Ace-B just 3 years ago with King Felix.

    I would have Huff and Cabral in the pen. Two lefties are important.

  151. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Darrel Green and Richard Dent were in that draft too. Marino had the quickest release. Too bad Larry Czonka wasn’t his running back. They might have won a Super Bowl.

    What is Jeff Bakers best position?

  152. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    ac, is beltran batting 7th 8th or 9th in your lineup?

  153. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Yt -

    Life long Dolphin Fan, here! Been suffering for the last 12 years since he left. I think we may have found his replacement finally. But Danny, will always be my favorite.

    —–

    You and me both. I’m a Dolphins fan to this day because I grew up loving Dan Marino. Still my all-time favorite player.

    Hopefully we’ll see some postseason football for a change in January if they don’t crap the bed against BUF and NYJ.

  154. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    We can agree to disagree but I’ll maintain that anybody but Jeter would have been moved from SS years ago”

    Well you think maybe the reason is…. because its Jeter. And Jeter has been one of the best SS’s of all time. Especially when you look at the big picture and not the narrowed focus limited range issue.

    But you’re right we disagree.

  155. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    id go ells, jeter, beltran, soriano, tex, mccann johnson, ryan, jeter.

  156. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    ac, is beltran batting 7th 8th or 9th in your lineup?

    ___

    Damn forgot about Beltran.

    Ok try this:

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Ellsbury
    Soriano
    Beltran
    McCann
    Tex
    2b
    3b

  157. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    sorry gardner batting 9th, two ab’s for jeter each time around could be a bit much.

  158. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    id go ells, jeter, beltran, soriano, tex, mccann johnson, ryan, jeter.

    __

    No Gardner?

  159. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    beat me to it Ys

  160. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    id go ells, jeter, beltran, soriano, tex, mccann johnson, ryan, jeter.”

    See Y’s like him so much he has in the line-up twice!

  161. pkyankfan69 December 16th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Not saying it’s right but I think it’s highly likely that Gardy will bat 9th with Ells/Jeter batting 1/2… Could change if he doesn’t preform but Jeter will start in the 2 hole

  162. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Ys your lineup is the most likely one.
    I just think Jeter batting 2nd will NOT give Ellsbury a chance to steal.

    How about Ellsbury, Gardner, Jeter 1-2-3. (Vs RHP)

    Gardner takes pitches, Ellsbury will have many chances to steal.

  163. GregD December 16th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Tanaka!!!

  164. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    IM sure jeter will bat after ellsbury but it is the wrong move.
    Jeter doesn’t take pitches.
    Ellsbury loses that part of his game.

  165. GregD December 16th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
    id go ells, jeter, beltran, soriano, tex, mccann johnson, ryan, jeter.

    __

    No Gardner?
    —–
    Jeter bats twice….cool

  166. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Greg dont yell Tanaka!!! until we sign him.

  167. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Jeter should hit 2nd vs Lh pitching.

    But against Rh I would stack Gardner and Ells 1 and 2.

  168. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    JB says Yanks and Cubs asked to play infield all others asked to play outfield.

    First Rounders aside from the QB’s
    Eric Dickerson
    Jim Jeffcoat
    Willie Gault
    Bruce Mathews
    curt warner

    Round 2: Ellard; Craig; Leonard Marshall; Darryl Talley
    Round 3: Albert Lewis; Dave Duerson; Charles Mann
    Round 4: Tom Thayer; Greg Townsend
    Round 5: Riki Ellison –
    Round 6: Reggie Roby; Babe Laufenberg
    Round 8: Dent; Clayton; Mark Bortz
    Round 10: Tim Krumrie; Mervyn Fernandez
    Round 11: Jesse Sapolu
    Round 12: Karl Mecklenburg -

  169. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    but that’s just fun for today. this will not be the opening day lineup, imo.

  170. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Ellsbury 1st with Jeter driving him in with a basehit to the opposite field after Ells has stolen 2nd a third! And if he’s still on third then Beltran is one of the best at hitting with men in scoring position.

  171. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Yankee Trader December 16th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    What is Jeff Bakers best position?
    ===========
    Bench

  172. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    We can agree to disagree but I’ll maintain that anybody but Jeter would have been moved from SS years ago”

    Well you think maybe the reason is…. because its Jeter. And Jeter has been one of the best SS’s of all time. Especially when you look at the big picture and not the narrowed focus limited range issue.

    But you’re right we disagree.

    —-

    His offensive numbers at SS are right up there with anyone. I just don’t think his defense has been great for several years (and yes, that includes range, which I don’t believe should be ignored or downplayed).

  173. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    pkyankfan69 December 16th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Not saying it’s right but I think it’s highly likely that Gardy will bat 9th with Ells/Jeter batting 1/2… Could change if he doesn’t preform but Jeter will start in the 2 hole

    —–

    That’s precisely how I see it.

  174. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Giuseppe-

    all i want for christmas is some playoff football. I dont see the dolphins losing to the Jests, but the bills in that weather…who knows? Hopefully, they’ve finally turned a corner. By the way, the win yesterday against that crybaby and his headband and hoodie wearing coach was the sweetest victory in quite some time for me.

  175. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    However if you believe it would help to have Gardner up first because he’s one of the top players in number pitches per plate appearance that he sees, by working the count, then you wouldn’t be wrong.

    Attached stats:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/b.....e/expanded

  176. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    “His offensive numbers at SS are right up there with anyone. I just don’t think his defense has been great for several years (and yes, that includes range, which I don’t believe should be ignored or downplayed).”

    Maybe limited range shouldn’t be “downplayed” but it’s certainly shouldn’t be the main focus …like it is for some. And because it is the main focus…. some post how Jeter has “hurt” the Yankees. Which (I again apologize) is just BS.

    Nunez has great range maybe he should start. I’m kidding but you can see my point.

  177. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    BTW–Brian Griffin now has more comebacks in December than Tony Romo

    (Just sayin…)

  178. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    actually, except for the left/left part, ellsbury then gardner makes alot of sense. gardner sees a ton of pitches and is lefty, so hitting behind the runner should be effective.

    but i dont see them going lefty/lefty at 1,2.

  179. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    how is range not important for a ss?

  180. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    BTW–Brian Griffin now has more comebacks in December than Tony Romo

    (Just sayin…)
    ___

    Oh Snap

  181. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    actually, except for the left/left part, ellsbury then gardner makes alot of sense. gardner sees a ton of pitches and is lefty, so hitting behind the runner should be effective.

    but i dont see them going lefty/lefty at 1,2.
    __

    Definitely not vs a LHP, but vs. a RHP, Girardi should consider it.

  182. JCPD December 16th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Michelle, by Sunday, it’s supposed to be a balmy 36 degrees here in Buffalo with rain. Dolphins should be ok ;-)

  183. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Jeter crushes Gardner batting first. Gardner wasn’t ready for that role when it was first thrust on him.

    Jeter’s career numbers batting first are stupid crazy good. Again the main focus on batting first is not to see a lot of pitches but to get on base.

    Having said that, I would bat Gardner first this year.

  184. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    i didnt think it would be possible but the cowboys have replaced the jests as the laughingstock of the nfl.

  185. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    “how is range not important for a ss?”

    Well Nunez has great range….. are you suggesting he start?

  186. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Tar
    Just tell GF that if you agreed with him you’d both be wrong.

    And GF- Tell Tar the same thing. :)

  187. BoJo December 16th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
    how is range not important for a ss?
    —-
    Knowledge of where to position oneself, and anticipation can make up for some…Ripken did that. Jeter has sure hands and rarely screws up the balls he gets to.

    If you have a staff that strikes out a lot of baters or gets many pop-ups, SS isn’t going to get too many rough plays to make in a game. If you have a ground ball pitcher, you might DH Jeter that day.

  188. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Giuseppe-

    all i want for christmas is some playoff football. I dont see the dolphins losing to the Jests, but the bills in that weather…who knows? Hopefully, they’ve finally turned a corner. By the way, the win yesterday against that crybaby and his headband and hoodie wearing coach was the sweetest victory in quite some time for me.

    —-

    Definitely their biggest win in several years. They are certainly playing their best ball of the season at the right time but they’ve also been mind-numbingly inconsistent.

    Losing those very winnable TB and BUF games earlier in the year would have made life much easier for them now.

    I would sure like to see them focus on the offensive line and RB in the draft/free agency. I like Tannehill a lot and I think he’s going to be one of the better QBs in the NFL but they need to protect him and not let him get sacked another 50 times next season.

    He won’t remain durable if he continues to get hit so often.

  189. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    “but i dont see them going lefty/lefty at 1,2.
    __

    Definitely not vs a LHP, but vs. a RHP, Girardi should consider it.”

    Not only should he consider it…he should do it. Put immediate pressure on the starting pitcher and try to to score first. I believe that out weighs any negative of worrying about a late inning Loogy

  190. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    i think jeter/ryan will work assuming jeter can actually play ss physically.

    but jeter has to be ok with being replaced for defense late in games.

  191. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    “but jeter has to be ok with being replaced for defense late in games.”

    Jeter will hate it.

    But he is not in charge, and who here thinks he will be a jerk or a distraction about it?

    Not me.

  192. GregD December 16th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Yanks are on Papelbon??

  193. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Oops….screwed up this line.

    WINNING those very winnable TB and BUF games earlier in the year would have made life much easier for them now.

  194. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Knowledge of where to position oneself, and anticipation can make up for some…Ripken did that. Jeter has sure hands and rarely screws up the balls he gets to.

    Yea if you have a good first step you can make up for a lack of ‘pure range’, however Jeter has never had a good first step. So in addition to having below average range he has a poor first step. And he isn’t even as sure handed as everyone makes him out to be. He is usually middle of the pack in errors, and its actually probably worse because if you’re middle of the pack in errors and you reach less balls you’re getting a higher percentage of errors on balls you reach.

    Jeter is an inner circle 1st ballot hall of famer because he has been one of the best offensive short stops in the history of the game and has played at that level for a very long time.

    However for his entire career he has been at best average and most of the times below average defensively. Its very rare for there to be a guy that has it on both sides of the ball, which is why Jeter has been very valuable, but holy crap his defenders regarding his defense just can’t seem to accept why its bad and just admit that he has been very good because of his bat.

  195. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    have read nothing that says Yanks in on Papelbon.

  196. Yankee Trader December 16th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Is Jeff Keppinger a third base option,now that the WS have Matt Davidson?

  197. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    GregD December 16th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Yanks are on Papelbon??

    —-

    Good grief, I hope not.

    With names like Papelbon and Brian Roberts being linked to the Yanks in recent days it appears Cash and Co. are in full dumpster diving mode.

  198. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    with jeter you lose quite a bit of range, but he makes up for some of that with his low error % on balls he does get to. imo defensively he is below average.

  199. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Jeter gets so much undeserved crap from Yankees fans, mainly because he doesn’t have the range of Nunez.

    He gets DESERVED crap because he doesn’t have the range of an average short stop in the majors. Get a clue, Tar, and stop with the ridiculous comparisons to Nunez.

    Range is the foundation of any defensive player since you can only make plays on the balls you get to. Understand that, please. Don’t make me post the comparisons again where Jeter is collecting 100 less outs per season than other players at the position even when their teams have a similar ground ball rate.

  200. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    papelbon is clearly not dumpster diving. he may be trending downward, but he’s not bad and he’s not cheap.

    i dont think they’re going there, but you look at everything.

  201. GregD December 16th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
    have read nothing that says Yanks in on Papelbon.

    ———————

    http://yanksinexile.com/news

  202. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    We joke about dumpster diving, but our championship run in the 90s was not build on 25 superstars.
    Brosius batted .203 the year before Cashman picked him up. Curtis/Spencer/Ledee in LF.

    Homer Bush
    Raines and Strawberry at the ends of their careers.

    We can win without a superstar at 2B and 3B, but quality at least at 1 of those two would be nice.

  203. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    “but holy crap his defenders regarding his defense just can’t seem to accept why its bad and just admit that he has been very good because of his bat.”

    Or…… Holy crap his detractors just can’t seem to accept that despite having limited range, he has been an all time great SS.

    Which should tell you to look at the whole picture before you post that he has hurt the Yankees.

    Poor range=sucky SS.

    Sorry I disagree…. and Jeter is my proof.

  204. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    its always been ‘worship jeter or face ridicule’ on here.

    nobody’s saying they should dfa jeter or that he’s not an asset.

    but its fair to point out that he’s below average defensively. its fact. it doesn’t mean anyone hates him.

  205. Ted Nelson December 16th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    “I wonder what kind of fielder Navarro is at 2b. The guy is doing it all offensively in Dom winter league. Walks, avg, power, run production. A little Cano :)”

    I thought that it wasn’t even worth projecting Navarro’s MLB stats…

    “did someone order the ted nelson book for my kindle?”

    You can send your royalties via paypal.

  206. Jerkface December 16th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Holy crap his detractors just can’t seem to accept that despite having limited range, he has been an all time great SS.

    Who has ever said he wasn’t, Tar?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!??!?!!?

  207. RadioKev December 16th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Let’s do this. Go get Tanaka.

  208. ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Navarro would be a look.
    He played for the Sox correct?

  209. Kelvin December 16th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    According to Sanspo.com, Rakuten Golden Eagles owner Hiroshi Mikitani will allow Masahiro Tanaka to be posted this offseason.

    Dunno if this was posted, if so sorry fellas. Definitely should go all in on Masahiro.

  210. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Jeter is an all-time great SS because of his offensive production. No historian ever talks about his all-time greatness on defense.

  211. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    JF

    You have been harping on Jeter’s range for years. Yet he has continued to be one of the best SS’s in the league. And didn’t you go so far as to lobby for Nunez to replace him during his contract talks?

    Why can’t you understand that range is just a part of the whole package, and posting that Jeter has hurt the Yankees, or sucks, because of his range is wrong.

  212. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    i just have a feeling some dumb owner is gonna get all darvished up and offer $150M or something.

  213. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    JCPD – thanks for the forecast

    Giuseppe –

    man they are so frustrating to watch. Inconsistency at it’s finest. But, hopefully they are hitting their stride. The draft needs to be OLINE – OLINE – OLINE.

  214. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    but its fair to point out that he’s below average defensively. its fact. it doesn’t mean anyone hates him.”

    Posting that he has “hurt the Yankees” is going way beyond he has poor range. And there has always been an under current of something towards Jeter which i don’t get.

  215. chicken_stanley December 16th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Ys Guy says:December 16, 2013 at 8:48 pmi just have a feeling some dumb owner is gonna get all darvished up and offer $150M or something.

    ———

    I have the same feeling Ys Guy… the contract terms could end up being crazy

  216. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    ac1 December 16th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    We joke about dumpster diving, but our championship run in the 90s was not build on 25 superstars.
    Brosius batted .203 the year before Cashman picked him up. Curtis/Spencer/Ledee in LF.

    Homer Bush
    Raines and Strawberry at the ends of their careers.

    We can win without a superstar at 2B and 3B, but quality at least at 1 of those two would be nice.

    —-

    One difference though is guys like Spencer, Ledee, and Curtis were all farmhands.

    I don’t think most Yankee fans are asking for superstars to fill their holes – just those who are capable of being a solution for 2014.

  217. Giuseppe Franco December 16th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    JCPD – thanks for the forecast

    Giuseppe –

    man they are so frustrating to watch. Inconsistency at it’s finest. But, hopefully they are hitting their stride. The draft needs to be OLINE – OLINE – OLINE.

    —-

    I’d be lying to you if I said I was confident they’d win that game yesterday.

    I was certain Brady was going to pull that one out. And he damn near did.

  218. Tar December 16th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    “Jeter is an all-time great SS because of his offensive production. No historian ever talks about his all-time greatness on defense.”

    How does the above and the following equate?

    “There’s not a chance Girardi will bat Jeter 7th in the lineup even though it does make a lot more sense.
    “It’s reasons like that (and not even trying to move him from SS) which have hurt the team over the years.”

    The former you make it sound like he is some malcontent who always puts himself before the team. To the point where he is a detriment to the team.

    And I vehemently disagree with that assessment.

  219. Ys Guy December 16th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    gf personally if they got reynolds for third and phillilps for second, id be okay with ryan at ss even with his weak stick (this assuming that jeter can’t play ss of course)

    phillips/ryan up the middle would be pretty awesome to watch.

  220. Chip December 16th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Send Cervelli to the White Sox for Jeff Keppinger.

    The White Sox want a back up catcher and have no place to play Keppinger with Beckham at 2b and Davidson at 3b. He has 2 years and $8.5 left on the contract that he signed last year. At best, the Yankees still sign Drew and/or Alemedys Diaz and you have Keppinger and Ryan as an upgrade over Nunez and Nix for the bench. If they don’t sign Drew, you can still go with Johnson at 3b and Keppinger at 2b.

    The Yankees will be fine with Romine/Murphy backing up McCann.

  221. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 16th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    Giuseppe-

    I had nine hear attacks watching brady slice through us like a knife through hot butter. Thanks god that kid from the niner practice squad made those two huge plays.

    if you’d like to join us over at the thephins.com – we’d love to have you. Great board, lots of inside info and awesome insight.

  222. blake December 16th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    I think Jeter was underrated defensively in the past when he was younger but he was already slipping before this very serious injury to his ankle.

    I’m just not sure how realistic it is that he can actually play SS at an acceptable level now given that he was slipping before the injury 2 years ago.

    Does micheal young have anything left? Not real interested there…..

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