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Another reliever off the board: Balfour appears headed for Baltimore

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 17, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

From Ken Rosenthal: The Orioles are close to wrapping up a two-year deal with Grant Balfour, who I assume will replace Jim Johnson at closer. Susan Slusser reports from Oakland that Balfour had a bigger offer on the table but preferred the Orioles. Baltimore has been rumored to be in on Balfour for quite a while.

With Balfour off the table, the top late-inning relievers on the free agent market seem to be Joaquin Benoit and Fernando Rodney, each of whom could be a strong setup man or ninth-inning alternative. Jesse Crain is also still out there, an intriguing — and relatively young — setup man, who’s been awfully good the past four years, but who also hurt his shoulder this season. There’s some risk involved with any shoulder issue, but Crain might be a less costly alternative to Benoit and Rodney.

Even with Matt Thornton on board to replace Boone Logan, the Yankees still have a need for a late-inning reliever. Guys like Andrew Bailey, Chris Perez and Jose Veras are also out there and could be options at the right price.

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365 Responses to “Another reliever off the board: Balfour appears headed for Baltimore”

  1. bbb51 December 17th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    If they don’t sign Tanaka that is the obituary for the Evil Empire.

  2. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Oh please…..
    That is a bit of a stretch!

  3. bbb51 December 17th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    Oh please…..
    That is a bit of a stretch!

    I didn’t say they would never win again or even not win this year, but the “Evil Empire” moniker would definitely not be applicable.

  4. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Ok you are correct about the slogan itself.
    Thought you meant the Yankees who spend.

  5. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Maybe we should be asking about Tanaka’s injury history.. anyone have any info?

  6. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    @Joelsherman1: #Yankees have expressed interest in fr agt Jeff Baker as RH bat that can help at 2b/3b

    I think the Yankees will get Baker or Reynolds and call it a day on the infield. Tex at 1st, Jeter at SS with Ryan backing him up then some combination of Nunez, Johnson, Roberts and Baker/Reynolds at 2B and 3B. Eh.. Not that great but I’m ok with it if they use the money they save on 2B/3B to sign Tanaka.

  7. Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Maybe we should be asking about Tanaka’s injury history.. anyone have any info?

    He has had some shoulder fatigue, though no major injuries in his career.

  8. bbb51 December 17th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    The Yankees are spending.

    However, if I’m the owner of the Evil Empire Yankees, I give Cano the 10/235 or up to 10/250 and I get Tanaka or take Lee’s contract.

  9. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    A young Dan Haren would probably get the same contract Tanaka will get.

    That’s all I’m saying. It’s not great value, it’s appropriate value.

    And if Haren is best case scenario, and you’re paying for that scenario but still inheriting the risk…

    Maybe someone like Garza is a safer bet value wise.

    If you turn the clock back on Haren and he hits free agency as a 25 year old he would get more than 6 years 100 million.

    Garza is not a safe bet. He’s older and has an injury history. And we already know that at his best he’s a 3 or 4 starter. With Tanaka you can be reasonably assured he’ll be at least that good and probably better.

  10. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    bbb no more 10 year contracts.
    they don’t work out for people over 30.
    Alex didn’t
    Pujols is only in year 3.

  11. Chip December 17th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    For late inning help I would look at Marmol. He had an awful time of it with the Cubs until they dumped him but then he sort of rebounded for the Dodgers.

    He’s got closer experience but wouldn’t cost nearly as much as Benoit or Rodney.

  12. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Like I said in the last thread, if Alex somehow avoided suspension (unlikely i know), this is our lineup

    Ellsbury
    Jeter
    Beltran
    Soriano
    Tex
    Alex
    McCann
    Roberts
    Gardner

    That is a formidable lineup.

    Even putting someone comparable to 2013 Alex, that is a threatening lineup top to bottom.

  13. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    If A-Rod gets 65 games, he better be 100% focused on getting prepared.
    I think he can start in the minors 20 days before the 65 games are up.
    We need him to be ready as soon as he is eligible.
    Like him or hate him, he is still the best option and makes the lineup better.

  14. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    blake December 17th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
    @Joelsherman1: #Yankees have expressed interest in fr agt Jeff Baker as RH bat that can help at 2b/3b
    ——————————–
    After looking at the splits before ….I was sold on the thought of Jeff Baker.

    …now we need to acquire…

    “Mix & match” in our INF … if we get him too !

    Girardi will not be bored.

  15. blake December 17th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    I like baker better than Reynolds

  16. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    joeman December 17th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
    anyone else getting this f-ing snow in the northeast

    ====================

    Earlier this morning I yelled at it to stop !!!

    (snow crickets)

  17. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    No one loves Boone Logan..
    =====
    His mother kind of liked him….

  18. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    “Ellsbury and Beltran are not giving you Granderson and Swisher power numbers.”
    ——-
    They will hit a world better in post season….where it really counts.

  19. blake December 17th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    “Ellsbury and Beltran are not giving you Granderson and Swisher power numbers.”

    I could see Beltran and Ellsbury combining for 40

  20. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    I am really looking forward to Beltran.
    He has very publicly wanted to be a Yankees for 10 years.
    That’s the kind of guy I want to cheer for.

  21. wanzies222 December 17th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Sherman needs to read this blog more often…. FO’s interest in Baker is old news here….lol.

  22. Warning Track Power December 17th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Cashman is doing the right thing regarding the infield in 2014.
    Sign as many players as possible and let the group battle for spots during ST and
    whomever shows they are the best for the job will get hired.
    Plain and simple.
    There is a very good chance the majority of these guys won’t stick around long enough to make the team, but that’s the risk vs reward situation that a lot of teams play every year.

    None of the guys currently signed to play various IF positions are everyday players.
    Fine.
    Point should be to get through 3/4 of the season with several guys and possibly make a huge trade to upgrade a position or two before the trade deadline and make that run in
    the post-season for another WS title.

  23. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Yeah we have been all over Jeff Baker for days.

  24. joeman December 17th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
    ———————————————–
    Had to go to Bryant Rock in Marshfield last March 11, 2013 to work …for the Blizzard ..was there a week

  25. wanzies222 December 17th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    ac1 -

    Actually, weeks. He’s been on the FO radar for a long time, the theme being versatility as a solution to volatility.

  26. blake December 17th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    blake says:
    December 17, 2013 at 2:39 pm
    Jim Bowden just said they can sign Tanaka and stay under 189 even if Arod plays! Lol

  27. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Is Ryan Zimmerman available from the Nats?

  28. Russell Munson December 17th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    “That is a formidable lineup.”

    In 2009 it would have been really scary.

  29. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    No one loves Boone Logan..
    =====
    His mother kind of liked him….

    ———–

    So she says…

  30. joeman December 17th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
    Is Ryan Zimmerman available from the Nats?
    ——————————-
    problem if he was the NYY have nothing to give for him

  31. Chip December 17th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    WTP –

    I completely agree. Kelly Johnson and Brian Roberts will combine to make less money next year than Mark Ellis. That’s good value and doesn’t stop the team from
    a) looking at other free agents
    b) promoting deserving players from within

  32. blake December 17th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    ac1 says:
    December 17, 2013 at 3:00 pm
    Is Ryan Zimmerman available from the Nats?

    Not that I’ve heard

  33. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
    BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    No one loves Boone Logan..
    =====
    His mother kind of liked him….

    ———–

    So she says…
    ———–
    You’re right….I don’t think we can trust her.

  34. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    JF – Thanks for the info. I really want Tanaka (- Captain Obvious), but I’m worried the market is going to work in the favor of another big market club.

    I think the Yanks are going to need to be the Yankees to get him. If they give him the Jacoby treatment, he’ll be in pinstripes. If they have limited parameters, they’re toast.

  35. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    You’re right….I don’t think we can trust her.

    —————–

    Logan always looked a little shifty to me… apple doesn’t fall far!

  36. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    blake December 17th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    blake says:
    December 17, 2013 at 2:39 pm
    Jim Bowden just said they can sign Tanaka and stay under 189 even if Arod plays! Lol

    ——————

    Heyman repeated the same thing on MLB Network not even an hour ago. I don’t understand what purpose the misinformation serves.

    Unless their plan is to be like, ‘Hey look we didn’t get to our budget goal so we’re still spending!’ when in reality they’ll have cut payroll by ~$40 million.

  37. Hankflorida December 17th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Ac1, I agree that Johnson and Roberts cannot compare to Cano and A-Rod of the past, and based on what we have now, this team will not score the runs that it did in previous years because it is a more of a team that moves the line. Ted Nelson disagrees with me on this point, but only time will tell as we compare next year’s team in run production to the team in 2012.

  38. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
    You’re right….I don’t think we can trust her.

    —————–

    Logan always looked a little shifty to me… apple doesn’t fall far!
    —————
    This quote from her says it all: “I like the kid….he’s a boone to this family.”

  39. blake December 17th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    It looks like one reporter would actually do a little research and figure out where the Yankees actually are payroll wise…..Sherman usually does this type stuff….it’s unlike him to be snowed

  40. joeman December 17th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Ryan Zimmerman is a top seven 3rd baseman in mlb

  41. blake December 17th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    With Roberts and Thornton they are around 185 not counting Arod….that’s an estimate but it will be around there when everything is added up .

    Unless Tanaka is signing for 4 million it’s impossible

  42. MG December 17th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    I really like the Thornton signing, the guy throws hard and can pitch.

  43. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Can everyone look at this and get back to me? Thanks.

    http://www.latimes.com/food/da.....z2ng6X7bSX

  44. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    This quote from her says it all: “I like the kid….he’s a boone to this family.”

    ——————–

    Word on the street is they actually wanted to name him LOOGY.

  45. blake December 17th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    @BenBadler: There’s a way for Rakuten to beat the $20 million posting cap on Masahiro Tanaka. It just might make MLB furious: http://t.co/gqqlkgEiOJ

  46. Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Can everyone look at this and get back to me? Thanks.

    I love Tako so that looks amazing :x

  47. Hankflorida December 17th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Ac1, I agree that Johnson and Roberts cannot compare to Cano and A-Rod of the past, and based on what we have now, this team will not score the runs that it did in previous years because it is a more of a team that moves the line. The Yankees must improve their pitching and defense in the infield in order to to put wins in their column.

  48. Warning Track Power December 17th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Chip December 17th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
    WTP –

    I completely agree. Kelly Johnson and Brian Roberts will combine to make less money next year than Mark Ellis. That’s good value and doesn’t stop the team from
    a) looking at other free agents
    b) promoting deserving players from within
    ————————————————————————————–
    Regardless of what the roster looks like in April, we all should realize the roster
    in Oct will be very, very different.
    Sometimes for good reason, other times because of injury, etc……

    I would never assume that Roberts will be asked to play 150 games and play at a high level.
    Same goes for K. Johnson and the other minor signings that have occurred recently.

    Cash is doing his job.
    Looking for players that can fill a temporary need. Nothing wrong with kicking all the tires
    and having a look around.
    Heck, there is a chance Roberts might not make the opening day roster due to
    his poor play or injury.

  49. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    WTP, I actually think in the end Roberts will become a bargain.
    Assume he misses a time, but I think if he stays healthy we will get a lot from him.

  50. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    I love Tako so that looks amazing :x

    ———

    I’m not a big fan of octopus but I’d eat that just because.

  51. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    blake December 17th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    @BenBadler: There’s a way for Rakuten to beat the $20 million posting cap on Masahiro Tanaka. It just might make MLB furious: http://t.co/gqqlkgEiOJ

    ————

    I think the article is mostly ridiculous but it’d be funny if they tried this out.

  52. blake December 17th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    I’m pretty sure if they tried that it wouldn’t work out

  53. joeman December 17th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Calamari

  54. Warning Track Power December 17th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    WTP, I actually think in the end Roberts will become a bargain.
    Assume he misses a time, but I think if he stays healthy we will get a lot from him.
    ——————————————————————————-
    I hope that is correct but my expectation level for him is very, very low.
    I want him to be like Chavez was and not anything remotely close to Hafner is 2013.

    But every time I think of Roberts I can’t help but recall the nasty injury he suffered playing for the O’s, while covering 1st base at Yankee Stadium.

  55. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    I actually think the Yankees have to wait as long as possible on Tanaka and if they don’t get him, still don’t overpay for Jimenez or Garza. Yankees have done much more with less in their rotation in the past. They can fill the spots between the 7-8 starters they have.

  56. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Can you smoke and octopus?

  57. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    But every time I think of Roberts I can’t help but recall the nasty injury he suffered playing for the O’s, while covering 1st base at Yankee Stadium.

    ___

    He has had very bad luck.
    The concussion took him out for a couple years.

    Who knows.

    Its the safe bet that he will get hurt at some point.
    For 2 million, maybe we get the first half of the year from him, and then maybe baker, johnson, joseph and pirela can cover it.

  58. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Didn’t the Yankees do this with a Mexican team to get Manny? also got a few others in deal…

  59. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    I actually think the Yankees have to wait as long as possible on Tanaka

    ————

    If I’m not mistaken, I read there is a 30 day negotiating window… this is gonna be a crazy bidding war lol, I’m kinda excited. We’re gonna be on Tanaka-watch for a solid 2-3 weeks IMO.

  60. Captain Clutch December 17th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    If teams are offering Tanaka like $80m-$90m and the Mariners offer $150m I really be annoyed. I wonder how much they are willing to over pay other players to come there.

  61. Warning Track Power December 17th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Read a tweet above that mentioned Pineda will battle for the 5th spot
    in the rotation-OUCH!!!
    In a perfect world he will convincingly win the 5th spot and per his performance month after month, he will ascend to a solid #2 before the year is over.

  62. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    an octopus*

    Bleck.

  63. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Captain Clutch December 17th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    If teams are offering Tanaka like $80m-$90m and the Mariners offer $150m I really be annoyed. I wonder how much they are willing to over pay other players to come there.

    ————

    I think the M’s will be a huge player for him.. could totally see them going to $130-150. Same for the Cubs.

  64. Captain Clutch December 17th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    They have a month to negotiate with him so things probably won’t get serious for the last 10 days or so. I remember with Dice K Boras wouldn’t even negotiate with the Sox until the last day.

  65. blake December 17th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    @DanBarbarisi: Person close to the situation says Yankees and Mark Reynolds have been talking, but “as far as a deal there is nothing even remotely close.”

  66. MG December 17th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Brian Roberts has obviously been hurt a lot in the past 4 years but played regularly the entire 2nd half of the season, almost every game.

    He put up better numbers in September than July, that is probably an indication his health is OK.

    A friend of mine is the O’s team chiropractor during the spring and worked extensively with him on his rehab for the past couple of years, I’ll get an update from him and share it.

  67. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    In a perfect world he will convincingly win the 5th spot and per his performance month after month, he will ascend to a solid #2 before the year is over.

    ___

    Yeah he is only #5 because of the last two years.
    He was a #2 in Seattle and that was only because Felix is a set Ace.

    Pineda can get in there as a #5 and work his way back to that #2-3.

    Baby steps.

    I am watching Manny Banuelos this year.
    The closest thing we have to developing our own ace.

  68. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    ‘Beach-kill’ as opposed to ‘Road-kill’.

  69. Warning Track Power December 17th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
    In a perfect world he will convincingly win the 5th spot and per his performance month after month, he will ascend to a solid #2 before the year is over.

    ___

    Yeah he is only #5 because of the last two years.
    He was a #2 in Seattle and that was only because Felix is a set Ace.

    Pineda can get in there as a #5 and work his way back to that #2-3.

    Baby steps.

    I am watching Manny Banuelos this year.
    The closest thing we have to developing our own ace.
    ———————————————————-
    Manny B
    The kid has a lot of talent but you know me, I don’t pay much attention to minor league players until they are consistent enough to be on the cusp of a call up and actually produce over a period of time in the Majors.

    As far as I’m concerned, it’s nice to have Manny B back and healthy, but he’s mostly invisible to me and for good reason.

  70. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    WTP I agree, but for the first time we have a prospect who is actively talked about as a top line starter. It is exciting to think about, knowing that nothing is set until he makes it.

  71. Madrugador December 17th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Thornton and Roberts?!
    Wanted:
    Baseball Players
    No one under 30 need apply
    New York Yankees

  72. Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    I think that Badler’s take on a possible work around is interesting, but not sure how possible. Because in this case once the player is posted their destiny is pretty much their own. I don’t think Rakuten can force a team to also post for another player.

    What I could see them doing is negotiating with Tanaka to have part of his eventual contract kicked back to Rakuten. Stadium renovation donations etc

  73. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    WTP I agree, but for the first time we have a prospect who is actively talked about as a top line starter.
    +++++++++++
    ???|
    For first time???
    Hughes
    Chamberlain
    Brackman
    Betances

    All proof that prospects are suspects.

  74. Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    We should inquire on Lee, Hamels, and Howard, and attempt to pawn Tex off on the Phillies.

  75. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Hughes
    Chamberlain
    Brackman
    Betances
    ____

    None of these except for Hughes have been seen as aces by the time they got to AAA and even Hughes was seen as middle.

    Betances was out before there was any real chance he was coming
    Brackman never even got close
    Joba we know the story there.
    Hughes was the closest. But i don’t think any smart person thought he was going to be an ace.

  76. Hankflorida December 17th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Blake, I would take Reynolds to platoon with Johnson at 3rd and hope for some power numbers. The only fly in the ointment is defense. Reynolds could get more time if Johnson also platoons with Roberts. Girardi will earn his keep once again doing a juggling act with this team.

  77. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    We should inquire on Lee, Hamels, and Howard, and attempt to pawn Tex off on the Phillies.

    ___

    NO to Howard.
    Would rather have tex for less money and one less year.
    Im in on Hamels and Lee.

  78. joeman December 17th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    blake December 17th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
    @DanBarbarisi: Person close to the situation says Yankees and Mark Reynolds have been talking, but “as far as a deal there is nothing even remotely close.”
    —————————————
    will the K machine come back

  79. Warning Track Power December 17th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    AC1
    Add me to the list.
    Yes on Hamels and Lee but certainly NO on Howard.

  80. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    And BoJo i realize Banuelos won’t be an ace tomorrow, but i believe he is as close to one based on everything we hear not just from the Yankees, as we have had in many years (including Hughes and Joba)

  81. Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Howard has prodigious power, he would be beastly in NYS.

  82. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    The Phillies won’t trade Lee or Hamels.
    They would love to get rid of Howard though (Tex is better in every way than Ryan Howard).

  83. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Howard has prodigious power, he would be beastly in NYS.

    ___

    As long as he only got fastballs from a RHP.
    Cant hit a lefty, can’t hit off speed pitches.
    This is the guy that struck out 12 times in the world series no?

  84. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    It’s Masahiro Tanaka or bust for the #Yankees http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....ka-or-bust

    ___

    I don’t buy this either.

    I have seen this team win with much less.

    They can fill the rotation but Tanaka would be very nice to have for the next 6 years.

  85. Russell Munson December 17th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Prodigious power isn’t really an advantage for a lefty in Yankee Stadium. You don’t get extra runs for getting the ball into the upper deck.

  86. Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    he has oppo power too. i havent compared the stats of Tex and Howard, i just know I cant stomach Tex or anything to do w him. His pop ups, weak ground balls into the shift, his shilling of products on twitter.

  87. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    eff Passan ?@JeffPassan 2m
    Minus A-Rod salary, the Yankees’ current internal luxury-tax calculation is at ~$178M. Adding another SP will take ‘em over $189M threshold.
    ____

    A-Rod will NOT be suspended for the entire season, so they should assume he will play part of the season AND his $6M HR bonus, meaning they are over 189, so just go get what is still needed.

  88. Ted Nelson December 17th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    “If they don’t sign Tanaka that is the obituary for the Evil Empire.”

    If the Evil Empire tag has lasted through the last 10 or so big veteran IFAs they have not acquired I don’t see why Tanaka is suddenly the tipping point the the same off-season they added two of the top 4 FAs plus paid Beltran and Kuroda both upwards of $15 million in AAV along with some lower priced veteran depth pieces. Plus, if they don’t sign Tanaka they might well grab another SP who costs just as much.

  89. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    he has oppo power too. i havent compared the stats of Tex and Howard, i just know I cant stomach Tex or anything to do w him. His pop ups, weak ground balls into the shift, his shilling of products on twitter.

    ___

    Tex is better than Ryan Howard.
    Even with the popups and insistence on not going oppo vs. RHP.

    I personally believe Tex would do himself and us a favor by hitting only righty for the rest of his career.

  90. Ted Nelson December 17th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    “Prodigious power isn’t really an advantage for a lefty in Yankee Stadium. You don’t get extra runs for getting the ball into the upper deck.”

    I have no interest in Ryan Howard (either of the Phillies or The Office), you do get extra runs when the routine fly balls of a normal hitter turn into HRs because of your power.

  91. Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    do you swap Tex for Howard as the byproduct of getting Lee or Hamels? I do.

  92. Captain Clutch December 17th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Why do the beat writers still talk about $189m like it still exists? They are obviously going over. Cashman said they are getting a starting pitcher and right handed reliever. It seems like those guys just need something to talk about.

  93. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 7m
    #yanks planning to try for tanaka. it’ll be tight squeeze to fit him under $189M threshhold. @JeffPassan: NYY is $178M now

    Jeff Passan: a bozo

  94. Chip December 17th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    blake December 17th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
    @DanBarbarisi: Person close to the situation says Yankees and Mark Reynolds have been talking, but “as far as a deal there is nothing even remotely close.”
    ———————

    My guess is that he’s looking for a situation where he will play regularly. I don’t know how much being a RH platoon player would appeal to him.

  95. Captain Clutch December 17th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    If they don’t sign Tanaka then it will really stink. They are penny pinching with the infield and bullpen just to be able to afford him. Garza and Santana are only going to be able to wait so long and they will most likely be signed when Tanaka signs.

  96. Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    @JeffPassan 9m

    @yagottagotomo Yes. My own calculation has them at $183M+. The $178M comes from officials.

    Why would you believe anything Randy Levine says?

  97. brianlopez22 December 17th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 7m
    #yanks planning to try for tanaka. it’ll be tight squeeze to fit him under $189M threshhold. @JeffPassan: NYY is $178M now

    Jeff Passan: a bozo

    Should we send him the calculation we made earlier that has us at 185.5?

  98. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....our-97562/

    $180.495M

    + 2 million for Roberts
    + 2.5 million for Thornton

    ~ $185 million

    Maybe the Yankees could get Tanaka for less than 4 million a year if they agreed to pay him until he’s 80?

  99. blake December 17th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    @JeffPassan: Minus A-Rod salary, the Yankees’ current internal luxury-tax calculation is at ~$178M. Adding another SP will take ‘em over $189M threshold.

    Still a little shy

  100. blake December 17th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Randy Levine can’t add

  101. brianlopez22 December 17th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    They must not be including the arbitration.
    The link was earlier posted by Yankee Trader:

    Total: $200.873MM

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar…..get-12613/

    The 200.873 includes Jeter’s 7 mm incentive. Obviously this could happen, and I could win Mega Millions.
    Bring that down to 193.873.
    The rest of the 40-man, including Roberts and removing the highest salary remaining
    (+2 -.080 + .88 = +2.8 mm) = 196.673 (round up to 197)
    add the 12 mm in benefits + 4 cushion = 213 mm
    remove -13 mm for Soriano and -18 mm for VWells
    we end up with 182 mm.

    Add Thorton’s 3.5

    now we’re @ 185.5

  102. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    This is gonna be a great spin job… ‘We wanted to get under $189, but with Tanaka in play we had to do what was best for the team and the fans so we gave up on the goal for now.’

    Meanwhile, they’re lopping off ~$40 million in payroll.

    This is all sorts of win for the Yankees.

  103. blake December 17th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Yup 185ish without Arod….I don’t think tanaka is signing for 4 million

  104. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    That RAB article is wrong, you guys should really stop referencing it.

    It’s Over $13mil wrong between arb and bonuses.

  105. blake December 17th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Irreverent Discourse says:
    December 17, 2013 at 4:19 pm
    That RAB article is wrong, you guys should really stop referencing it.

    It’s Over $13mil wrong between arb and bonuses.

    How do you figure that? Looks pretty close to me

  106. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    A-Rod and Jeter are simply not getting bonuses this year. That’s $13mil without touching the over-estimate he gave on the arbitration figures.

    It’s probably more like $15mil wrong.

  107. blake December 17th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Passan has calculated it around 183 so it’s pretty close

  108. brianlopez22 December 17th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    take a look here.
    It seems to be more accurate.
    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar…..get-12613/

    Even includes the 12mm in benefits.

  109. wanzies222 December 17th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Most folks who have calculated the NYY’s LT situation have used assumptions regarding arbitration, bonuses, etc. that could very well make up the difference between what the FO is saying and what the rest of us have (my calculations, assuming settled arb’s is 188 and change, FWIW).

    Point being, it’s not worth splitting hairs with the FO over their calculations at this point. They aren’t going to be under 189. Period.

  110. blake December 17th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Irreverent Discourse says:
    December 17, 2013 at 4:20 pm
    A-Rod and Jeter are simply not getting bonuses this year. That’s $13mil without touching the over-estimate he gave on the arbitration figures.

    That’s RAB calculation of 180 isn’t counting Arod at all an it’s also subtracting Jeters MVP bonus…..everything else is possible enough that you have to count it

  111. joeman December 17th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    whats not to like about Jesse Crain at 32 years old

  112. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
    do you swap Tex for Howard as the byproduct of getting Lee or Hamels? I do.
    ===============================

    Tex for….. Ryan Howard & Cole Hamels.

    Straight up ?

    What are the dollar & contract summaries ?

  113. joeman December 17th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    NYY FO people read this blog…..Jesse Crain

  114. blake December 17th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    It’s fairly safe to say they are somewhere between 183 and 190 right now…..so basically Tanaka and any other pitcher is impossible unless they go over

  115. brianlopez22 December 17th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    If they don’t sign Tanaka (3 teams are going to push very hard) and ARod is gone for the year, 189 is very possible.

    No, Jeter is not getting his bonus.
    That leaves a 4mm cushion and 3.5mm under the cap.

    We can all agree that if the stayed 7mm under, they would meet their goal.
    We definitely will not like it, but the goal would have been met.

  116. Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    ID, you seem pretty convinced that A-rod’s suspension is going to be upheld, however most of the news lately seems more likely that it will be reduced if not eliminated.

  117. Captain Clutch December 17th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Isn’t the real number closer to $178 and not $189m? I remember reading an article saying that an extra $10m or so is added in that goes towards the pay roll besides the players salaries.

  118. joeman December 17th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    that 189 is just a number

  119. joeman December 17th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
    ID, you seem pretty convinced that A-rod’s suspension is going to be upheld, however most of the news lately seems more likely that it will be reduced if not eliminated.
    ———————————————————-
    what Braun got and he’ll take it

  120. Chip December 17th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    ID, you seem pretty convinced that A-rod’s suspension is going to be upheld, however most of the news lately seems more likely that it will be reduced if not eliminated.
    ——————-

    By news you mean quotes from Alex in the Dominican where he says he feels confident about the way things are going?

  121. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    I really have to do this math again?

    $149.1mil – Payroll without A-Rod (with Roberts/Thornton)
    $14mil in arb contracts
    $12mil in “other”
    =
    $175mil

    That leaves them over $10mil a year for Tanaka (won’t be enough) or more likely they spend that money on a cheaper SP and another RP they shouldn’t be spending on.

  122. bbb51 December 17th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    They can forget about getting Tanaka at any salary that keeps them under 189.

    I hope they aren’t just blowing smoke up our butts.

  123. Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    By news you mean quotes from Alex in the Dominican where he says he feels confident about the way things are going?

    No, news like MLB scrambling trying to reopen it to get people to testify because they likely could not prove that A-rod actually obstructed anything as well as them actually obstructing a federal investigation.

  124. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    jerkface – All of the news you have heard is almost directly from A-Rod himself, forgive me if I don’t believe it.

    They have to operate as if he IS suspended, because he IS currently suspended.

    Until that changes, they have to assume it won’t.

  125. Jason Voorhees December 17th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Tex for….. Ryan Howard & Cole Hamels.

    Straight up ?

    What are the dollar & contract summaries ?
    ———————————————-
    Howard is owed $85 million over the next 3 years minimum. It goes to $98 mil/4 years if you don’t buy him out.

    Hamels is owed $112.5 million over the next 5 years. He has both a team and vesting option for the 6th year. Team option is 20 million. Vesting option is 24 million.

    Tex is owed $67.5 million over the next 3 years.

  126. Hankflorida December 17th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    The opening day roster for the 2013 Yankees was Cervelli, Stewart, Overbay, Cano, Nix, Youkalis, Nunez, Gardener, Welles, Suzuki, Defrancisco and Boesch. With all the unexpected twists of fate especially when it comes to injuries, Cashman’s signing all these free agents fits nicely into the saying, “The more the merrier.”

  127. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    what Braun got and he’ll take it

    Given the shady dealings MLB did to find evidence on A-rod I doubt he will take it.

  128. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Howard and Hamels both have limited no-trades. Getting them both to waive them would be a christmas miracle!

    Also, Howard is terrible and I’d rather have Teixeira.

  129. Chip December 17th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    By news you mean quotes from Alex in the Dominican where he says he feels confident about the way things are going?

    No, news like MLB scrambling trying to reopen it to get people to testify because they likely could not prove that A-rod actually obstructed anything as well as them actually obstructing a federal investigation.
    ——————

    They weren’t scrambling. They were trying to compel testimony, but that was about it. I assume by “obstructing a Federal Investigation” you’re talking about the reports that the evidence they got was stolen by the former biogenesis people? Meh…

    But it’s nice to know that you’re reading Alex’s spin so closely.

    The end of the day – none of that stuff matters. After Horowitz hands down his ruling the Federal Courts will dismiss Alex’s case because it has no merit. He would have to prove that the system was corrupt which is very hard to do when both signatories on the JDA say that it wasn’t. End of the day a judge likely says, “this is an internal matter, you had your appeal as proscribed in the CBA, you lost it.” but the court has no authority to intervene and overturn a suspension.

  130. Russell Munson December 17th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    “This is all sorts of win for the Yankees.”

    Except for on the field.

  131. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    joeman December 17th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
    whats not to like about Jesse Crain at 32 years old
    =========================================

    VG last 3 years…

    2013 $4.5 mil price tag

    Asking for what ?

  132. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Where’s Ben Francisco ?

  133. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Chip did you read the article Chad posted yesterday regarding the A-rod case? It’s pretty clear that MLB knowingly broke Florida state and federal law.

    here is the link in case you missed it: http://m.miamiherald.com/mh/db.....ue#display

  134. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Brennan Boesch :

    29 YO

    AAA depth ???

  135. blake December 17th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    ID,
    You’re not counting cushion for call ups and Jeters non MVP incentives….. They have to budget for everything.

    It’s pretty much over now though unless they literally do nothing else…..and Arod is out all year

  136. joeman December 17th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    UpState December 17th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    joeman December 17th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
    whats not to like about Jesse Crain at 32 years old
    =========================================

    VG last 3 years…

    2013 $4.5 mil price tag

    Asking for what ?
    —————————–
    2/10

  137. Shame Spencer December 17th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Chip did you read the article Chad posted yesterday regarding the A-rod case? It’s pretty clear that MLB knowingly broke Florida state and federal law.

    —————

    I mean.. if a local police department opening an investigation is spin, I guess I’m buying into it as well.

    I don’t think it helps Arod in arbitration, but I think this would make for an interesting federal case. Certainly a high profile one.. judges sometimes find that appealing.

  138. joeman December 17th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    is what I would offer

  139. Chip December 17th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Chip did you read the article Chad posted yesterday regarding the A-rod case? It’s pretty clear that MLB knowingly broke Florida state and federal law.
    ———————–

    I’m not saying MLB won’t have a reckoning to pay…they will. But none of that has anything to do with the punishment against Alex. A judge doesn’t have the standing to set aside a suspension.

    The best Alex can hope for is that he takes Selig and Manfred down with him, but none of it changes his fate.

  140. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Wow .. MLB gross revenue of over $8 billion in 2013 ..

  141. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Florida law may as well be written on toilet paper.

    The burden of proof is on A-Rod’s camp, unless MLB is brought up on tampering charges by.. I don’t even know.. congress? (which they currently are not).

    “The best Alex can hope for is that he takes Selig and Manfred down with him, but none of it changes his fate.”

    Yes, this is the most likely scenario by a long shot.

  142. Chip December 17th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    And as for Horowitz, whether the evidence was stolen or not, the only question he has is whether or not it’s credible. If it is – which this suit actually seems to strengthen – then game over for Rodriguez.

  143. Hankflorida December 17th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    The opening day roster for the 2013 Yankees was Cervelli, Stewart, Overbay, Cano, Nix, Youkalis, Nunez, Gardener, Welles, Suzuki, Defrancisco and Boesch.
    I left out Hafner as the DH before anyone corrects me.

  144. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    blake – I am counting that cushion… they aren’t signing Tanaka. There’s your cushion.

    $4M for AL MVP; $2M for 2nd-6th in MVP vote; $1.5M for Silver Slugger; $0.5M each for Gold Glove, ALCS MVP, WS MVP

    Which one of those incentives is Jeter accomplishing?

    If they end up going over because they are getting A-Rod back on the field… how is this really a problem?

  145. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    A-rod’s suspension will get overturned and you will all love it. A-rod is the bad guy everybody loves to hate. He’s the anti hero. I wish A-rod would bust out the famous Scarface quote when he retires …

    ‘You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your **** fingers and say, “That’s the bad guy.” So… what that make you? Good? You’re not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don’t have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you.’

  146. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    And as for Horowitz, whether the evidence was stolen or not, the only question he has is whether or not it’s credible. If it is – which this suit actually seems to strengthen – then game over for Rodriguez.

    Well, Braun was able to cast doubt on his test results by showing that some guy stored his pee in his fridge over the weekend. Shouldn’t A-rod be able to cast enough doubt over the fact that all of the evidence against him is stolen and thus lacks credibility? Also all the witnesses testifying against him are being paid off by the opposition.

  147. blake December 17th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Well it’s certainly possible Jeter could win a silver slugger still…but you have to budget a bit for call ups too

  148. Chip December 17th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Where Alex gets it wrong is that he thinks that MLB playing dirty lets him get off clean. That’s not how it works.

    If they had mishandled a sample or something like that – he would be fine. But what’s going to end up happening is that Horowitz will likely declare that yes, MLB did some shady things, but so did Alex and based on the things Alex did he should be suspended (maybe not for 211 but possibly the whole season and whatever post season games the Yankees have) and that MLB has to answer their dealings in another jurisdiction.

    The problem for Alex is that jurisdiction has no standing to turn around and say that Alex can’t be suspended. God bless antitrust exemption.

  149. pat December 17th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    I was reading through some of the comments from this week to catch up and I’m thinking of trademarking the phrase, “if healthy” and charging everyone here $1 every time they use it regarding any Yankee player. I could retire!

  150. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Patrick – Chain of custody that got Braun off is explicity stated in the drug-testing program.

    If a judge overturns this suspension, Selig is simply going to suspend him using his executive powers for “conduct detrimental to the game”.

    A-Rod coming back really requires a tons of things to break his way. Judging by his previous luck… I’m not holding my breath and neither should the Yankees.

  151. Chip December 17th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    And as for Horowitz, whether the evidence was stolen or not, the only question he has is whether or not it’s credible. If it is – which this suit actually seems to strengthen – then game over for Rodriguez.

    Well, Braun was able to cast doubt on his test results by showing that some guy stored his pee in his fridge over the weekend. Shouldn’t A-rod be able to cast enough doubt over the fact that all of the evidence against him is stolen and thus lacks credibility? Also all the witnesses testifying against him are being paid off by the opposition.
    —————-

    Two problems with that:

    1. Alex’s side rested its case. In fact at the end they refused to participate in the process.

    2. The fact that authorities have concluded that MLB’s information was stolen from Biogenesis gives it more credibility, not less. It would actually have been better for Alex’s side if investigators said they had no friggin clue where MLB got these documents from.

  152. blake December 17th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    pat says:
    December 17, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    I was reading through some of the comments from this week to catch up and I’m thinking of trademarking the phrase, “if healthy” and charging everyone here $1 every time they use it regarding any Yankee player. I could retire!

    Heh

  153. brianlopez22 December 17th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    ID, can you show me how you get your salary number? I am nowhere close.

    I have 201mm for the 25 man (before Thorton and Roberts)
    .88 mm for the rest of the 40 man
    -13 and -18 for Soriano and VWells
    Now add 12mm benefits
    Add 5.5 for Roberts and Thorton, remove .08mm for the 2 guys leaving the 40 man.

    that’s 181.5, and a 4mm cushion = 185.5

  154. Chip December 17th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    A-rod’s suspension will get overturned and you will all love it.
    ———————-

    I still say Alex’s next professional at bats come in China or Japan.

  155. pat December 17th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Major League Baseball Sees Record Revenues Exceed $8 Billion For 2013

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ma.....-for-2013/

  156. brianlopez22 December 17th, 2013 at 4:55 pm


    I was reading through some of the comments from this week to catch up and I’m thinking of trademarking the phrase, “if healthy” and charging everyone here $1 every time they use it regarding any Yankee player. I could retire!

    Heh

    funny how the Sux were saying the same thing about Stephen Drew, Mike Napoli, Jonny Gomes, and Shane Victorino last year.

    They all stayed healthy and they dominated.

    We will not be that lucky, I’m afraid.

  157. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    brianlopez – It’s right there on the RAB article.

    Under Contract ($172.61M): Alex Rodriguez ($27.5M), CC Sabathia ($24.4M), Mark Teixeira ($22.5M), Jacoby Ellsbury ($21.9M), Brian McCann ($17M), Hiroki Kuroda ($16M), Carlos Beltran ($15M), Derek Jeter ($12.81M), Ichiro Suzuki ($6.5M), Alfonso Soriano ($4M), Kelly Johnson ($3M), Brendan Ryan ($2M), Wells ($0)

    $172 – $27.5 + $2 (roberts) + $2.5 (thornton) = $149

  158. Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Howard cant possibly be as bad as you’re all making him out to be.

  159. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Howard has struck out in 30% of his at-bats since signing that contract.

  160. austinmac December 17th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Would this be a bad thing–first, Tanaka signed and next AROD gets either no suspension or a fifty game one? He would make the team better, at least until he got hurt again.

  161. Hankflorida December 17th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Pat, the term “if healthy” may not have been used in 2012 as much, but the opening day roster for the 2013 Yankees was Cervelli, Stewart, Overbay, Cano, Nix, Youkalis, Nunez, Gardener, Welles, Suzuki, Defrancisco and Boesch with Hafner at DH and that does bring caution on to this blog.

  162. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    I’m kind of surprised that a contract is completely eliminated by a suspension and it doesn’t simply recalculate his AAV based on the lost money.

  163. Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    I cant imagine Teixeira has struck out in lesser than 30%

  164. brianlopez22 December 17th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    -27.5, where is this number coming from?

    What about DRob (5.5 likely in arb)
    Gardner (4mm)
    Cervelli (1)
    Nova (2.8)
    Shawn Kelley (1.5)
    That’s 14.9 mm
    - whatever they originally made.

    the point is, they are within 5-10 mm of 189.

  165. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    ID that 149 number doesn’t include money for arbitration eligible players (~14.8 million), player benefits (~12.085 million), potential bonuses (even without Jeter’s MVP bonus this number is ~3.5 million), and 2-5 million for players on the 40 man roster but not on the 25 man.

    I’m pretty confident we are currently sitting somewhere between 180 and 190 million.

  166. Chip December 17th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    I’m kind of surprised that a contract is completely eliminated by a suspension and it doesn’t simply recalculate his AAV based on the lost money.
    ————————

    Good negotiation by MLB making sure it’s an unpaid suspension.

  167. brianlopez22 December 17th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    I see you’re removing ARod’s 27.5

    Something is off with the math.
    All the calc’s I see point to 175 before benefits and after Thorton and Roberts

  168. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    brianlopez – That’s how much A-Rod is not getting paid next year… this isn’t really that hard to follow. The real point is, you are all simply counting money they are not actually going to spend on payroll.

    You You McCann….. “I cant imagine Teixeira has struck out in lesser than 30%”

    LOL… Luckily you don’t have to imagine it… you could just look it up. (also, Teixeira strikes out at just under 20%.. Howards career average is 27.9%)

  169. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Patrick – Seriously? Stop reading half of my posts. Scroll up and read the one where I included all of those things you just asked about.

  170. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Chip – You mean good negotiation by the owners? They are the ones that get off the hook completely for the entirety of the suspension. The league doesn’t care about individual teams payroll problems.

  171. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Patrick – Seriously? Stop reading half of my posts. Scroll up and read the one where I included all of those things you just asked about.

    Seriously? You are saying it’s 175 million which is clearly incorrect as I just proved.

  172. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Patrick – No, you just can’t add either apparently. Scroll up and actually read the post, thanks.

  173. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Since I know you won’t let me save you the trouble.

    $149.1mil – Payroll without A-Rod (with Roberts/Thornton)
    $14mil in arbitration contracts
    $12mil in “other” which includes translators and all of those miscellaneous expenses you just referred to…
    =
    $175mil

    You really want to include the $3mil in bonuses Jeter is not getting? Fine! That’s $178mil. Still under $180mil.

  174. Chip December 17th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    austinmac December 17th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Would this be a bad thing–first, Tanaka signed and next AROD gets either no suspension or a fifty game one? He would make the team better, at least until he got hurt again.
    —————

    I have a hard time imagining that the Yankees would let him suit up.

    Yes, he can still be somewhat productive but that little production comes at a high price in terms of the negative value he brings.

    My guess is that at this point they’re just waiting to see how much of his salary will be eliminated and then will eat the rest as a bad investment.

  175. brianlopez22 December 17th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    ID:

    1- C: Brian McCann (5/$85MM) $17.000MM
    2- 1B: Mark Teixeira (8/$180MM) $22.500MM
    3- 2B: Kelly Johnson (1/$3MM) $3MM
    4- 3B: Eduardo Nunez (Min) $0.511MM
    5- SS: Derek Jeter (1/$12.81MM) $12.810MM + $7.000MM Bonuses
    6- LF: Jacoby Ellsbury (8/$169MM) $21.175MM
    7- CF: Brett Gardner (Arb 3) $4.000MM
    8- RF: Alfonso Soriano (8/$136MM) $17.000MM*
    9- DH: Carlos Beltran (3/$45MM) $15.000MM
    10- BN: Brendan Ryan (1/$2MM) $2.000MM
    11- BN: Vernon Wells (7/$126MM) $18.000MM**
    12- BN: Ichiro Suzuki (2/$13MM) $6.500MM
    13- BN: Francisco Cervelli (Arb 1) $1.000MM
    14- SP1: CC Sabathia (5/$122MM) $24.400MM
    15- SP2: Hiroki Kuroda (1/$16MM) $16.00MM
    16- SP3: Ivan Nova (Arb 1) $2.800MM
    17- SP4: David Phelps (Min) $0.511MM
    18- SP5: Michael Pineda (Min) $0.511MM
    19- CL: David Robertson (Arb 3) $5.500MM
    20- RP: Shawn Kelley (Arb 2) $1.500MM
    21- RP: Preston Claiborne (Min) $0.511MM
    22- RP: Dellin Betances (Min) $0.511MM
    23- RP: Adam Warren (Min) $0.511MM
    24- RP: Vidal Nuno (Min) $0.511MM
    25- RP: Cesar Cabral (Min) $0.511MM

    Total: $200.873MM (actually added 24.0 for CC, instead of 24.4)
    so the real total is 201.273

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar…..get-12613/

    The 201.273 includes Jeter’s 7 mm incentive.
    Subtract, Bring that down to 194.273.
    The rest of the 40-man, including Roberts and Thorton and removing two 40 man players
    (+2 +3.5 -.080 + .88 = +2.8 mm) = 200.5
    add the 12 mm in benefits + 4 cushion = 216.5 mm
    remove -13 mm for Soriano and -18 mm for VWells
    we end up with 185.5 mm.

    Again, I know its in that article, but I don’t see it working.

  176. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

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    1. Under Contract ($149.61M): CC Sabathia ($24.4M), Mark Teixeira ($22.5M), Jacoby Ellsbury ($21.9M), Brian McCann ($17M), Hiroki Kuroda ($16M), Carlos Beltran ($15M), Derek Jeter ($12.81M), Ichiro Suzuki ($6.5M), Alfonso Soriano ($4M), Kelly Johnson ($3M), Brendan Ryan ($2M), Wells ($0), Roberts ($2M), Thornton ($2.5M)

    2. Arbitration-Eligible ($14.8M projected): David Robertson ($5.5M), Brett Gardner ($4M), Ivan Nova ($2.8M), Shawn Kelley ($1.5M), Frankie Cervelli ($1M)

    3. Potential Bonuses ($3.5 M): Jeter (up to $3 million not including his $4M MVP bonus), Kuroda (500k based on innings)

    4. Benefits ($12.085 M)

    5. 15 Players on 40 man roster that aren’t on 25 man (2-5 M)

    = between $181.995M and $184.995M

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  177. Irreverent Discourse December 17th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    brianlopez – You are oncluding a fake $4mil cusion, which is almost the ONLY difference between the numbers we are quoting to each other… The only other thing I can figure (because I’m not rechecking all of those numbers you just posted) is that you have $3-5mil more in arb money than the RAB article has… which is even more wrong than the RAB article.

    Also, hyperlinks with “…”‘s in the middle of them don’t work, so when you click that it goes no where… you can’t quote past hyperlinks you have to recreate them yourself.

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    Patrick – You are going through all of this trouble to argue with me over Jeter’s bonuses that he is not going to get? Silver slugger and Gold glove? REALLY?! Unbelievable.

    As I have stated 3 times already, that arb number is too high. But, hey… you don’t seem to care about anything else I have said. Who’s being rude?

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    You are absolutely being rude. If you don’t think your last several posts are snotty I don’t know what to tell ya .. just relax, no reason to insult the people you are having a conversation with.

    You said the arbitration number is wrong but never said why. If anything the arb number is a touch too low, according to baseball-ref those 5 players come in at ~16 million. And it looks like RAB gets their numbers from: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....eligibles/ so I trust the 14.8 number.

    It’s absolutely possible Jeter gets a silver slugger and a gold glove. It’s not likely but it’s not out of the realm of possibility like an MVP would be. He won a silver slugger in 2012 and a gold glove in 2010. So what is the possiblity it happens this year, like 5%? You still have to account for that in your budget. What happens if he actually does win those awards and it’s enough to push the team over 189?

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    ID –
    the 4mm cushion, as mentioned in the past is for players that will be called up from the minors.
    Their salaries jump another .5 mm
    That’s 8 players or a mixture of callups + incentives (Kuroda’s 500K for example)

    apologies with the hyperlink.
    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....get-12613/

    From your river avenue blues article:
    Player contracts = 145.11 (- Arod)
    Arb eligible = 14.8
    8 Min players = 4.088
    15 players for the rest of the 40 man = 1 mm
    Total = 164.998 or 165mm
    Thorton = +3.5
    Roberts = +2 mm
    Total = 170.5
    Benefits = 12mm

    new Total = 182.5 w/ no cushion + no bonuses
    lets say, because of Thorton and Roberts, Betances and Nuno are not on the 25 man, saving 1 mm, still leaves 181 mm.

  181. blake December 17th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    I think 185 is pretty close to the reality without Arod…..but either way Tankaka can’t fit under 189

  182. brianlopez22 December 17th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    correct. no Tanaka, Reynolds only if he’s another 2-3 mm player.

    otherwise, we have our 2014 NY Yankees

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