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Yankees luxury tax bill reaches $28 million for 2013

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 17, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here’s the AP with the story…

CC Sabathia, Derek Jeter, Vernon Wells, Ichiro SuzukiNEW YORK (AP) — The New York Yankees were hit with a $28 million luxury tax bill, pushing their total past the $250 million mark since the penalty began in 2003.

According to Major League Baseball calculations sent to teams Tuesday, the Los Angeles Dodgers are the only other team that exceeded the tax threshold this year and must pay $11.4 million. Boston finished just under the tax threshold for the second straight year, coming in $225,666 shy of the $178 million mark.

Figures include average annual values of contracts for players on 40-man rosters, earned bonuses and escalators, adjustments for cash in trades and $10.8 million per team in benefits.

Because the Yankees have been over the tax threshold at least four consecutive times, they pay at a 50 percent rate on the overage, and their $28,113,945 bill was second only to their $34.1 million payment following the 2005 season. New York’s total since MLB and the players’ union instituted the tax is $252.7 million.

New York has said it hopes to remain under the threshold next year, when it rises to $189 million, but the Yankees already are just about at that figure with commitments to 15 players. Their only hope to get below the threshold appears to be if Alex Rodriguez is suspended for most of the season and they don’t have to pay much of his $25 million salary.

The Yankees finished with the highest regular payroll for the 15th consecutive year, winding up at a record $237,018,889. The Dodgers were just $146,647 behind.

Regular payrolls include salaries and pro-rated shares of signing bonuses.

Los Angeles had a higher payroll for the tax: $243 million to New York’s $234 million. But because the Dodgers didn’t exceed the threshold in 2012, they pay at a 17.5 percent rate and owe $11,415,959.

Checks to the commissioner’s office are due by Jan. 21.

Houston, which lost more than 100 games for the third straight season, had a payroll less than one-eighth that of the Yankees and Dodgers. The Astros’ finished at $29.3 million, the lowest total in the major leagues since the 2008 Florida Marlins.

After trading many of their stars following an unsuccessful first season in their new downtown ballpark, the Marlins lowered their payroll to $42.3 million from $111.8 million in 2012.

The average salary increased 7.1 percent, to $3,326,645 from $3,105,093, according to MLB’s calculations, the steepest rise since 2006. The players’ association has not yet released its final figures for this year.

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323 Responses to “Yankees luxury tax bill reaches $28 million for 2013”

  1. kd December 17th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    when is the arod verdict expected?

  2. Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    If they kept payroll where it was for 2013 their luxury tax bill for 2014 would be 22 million. Think of the savings, Hal.

  3. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    hardwired7 December 17th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
    “Hearing an MLB team has filed formal complaint”

    Has to be the O’s, right? What a bunch of whiners.

    =================================

    Complaint about what ?

  4. mick December 17th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    only benoit left for setup/closer role.

  5. blake December 17th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Jerkface says:
    December 17, 2013 at 6:20 pm
    If they kept payroll where it was for 2013 their luxury tax bill for 2014 would be 22 million. Think of the savings, Hal.

    Hopefully this is the plan

  6. blake December 17th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    They can fit Tanaka and Choo under last years payroll if Arod gets suspended all year

  7. pete2 December 17th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    David Ortiz is salivating over Matt Thornton replacing Logan. He was not very good last year for the Red Sox.

    The off season has been a bit of a tease. The 189′ers have had their way for reasons I can not comprehend given their revenues and the expected revenue hit they will get for not winning. Probably an interesting story there. I almost wondering if they are just clearing the books of as many long term obligations as possible prior to putting the team on the market. One can only hope.

  8. blake December 17th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: Vera receives $4M on 1 year deal. $3.85M base plus 150K buyout on $5.5M option.

  9. mick December 17th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    They didn’t want Veras at that price?
    They must have a closer in mind.

  10. blake December 17th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    @CJNitkowski: When I see Balfour (7.5) and Veras (4) numbers I’m shocked Yankees weren’t in to add bullpen closing experienced depth.

    Yea those seem pretty reasonable

  11. blake December 17th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    I really hope they aren’t planning on trading for Pabelbon

  12. mick December 17th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    This is the same kind of thinking that got us in trouble last year.
    189 thinking.
    They better win or Hal will be booed out of town.

  13. I am Brett Godner December 17th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    The Vera’s deal seems really reasonable. I don’t see why the Yankees didn’t get in there unless Vera’s wants to be guaranteed the closer job which might be. That might very well be the hang up with some if these bullpen arms.

  14. blake December 17th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    when they have their eyes on Benoit

  15. Ted Nelson December 17th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    “The 189?ers have had their way for reasons I can not comprehend”

    If A-Rod plays they are pretty much already over $189 million. At the same time, this goal is not necessarily about being cheap or taking away from the fans. It could very well be about giving back to the fans. The Yankees have lost $250 million the last 10 years that they could have spent on the team. Yes, they could have also pocketed that money, but they could have signed a mega-star of dozens of solid MLB players with that money as well.

    “I almost wondering if they are just clearing the books of as many long term obligations as possible prior to putting the team on the market. One can only hope.”

    How do you reconcile that with handing out huge long-term deals to Ellsbury, McCann, and Beltran this offseason? (Maybe Tanaka too, though we’ll have to wait and see.) I think that you should be careful what you wish for in terms of ownership. Regardless of that, though, if you want to clear long-term commitments then signing long-term deals is not what you do.

  16. mick December 17th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Who votes for the Rock Hall of Fame anyway?
    Deep Purple and Yes not voted in?
    Not much left of the classic rock genre.

  17. Giuseppe Franco December 17th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    mick December 17th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    They better win or Hal will be booed out of town.

    —-

    Yeah, I’m sure that threat will have Hal shaking in his boots.

  18. mick December 17th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Benoit would be the logical choice.

  19. Giuseppe Franco December 17th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Not sure why it took them so long to vote in KISS.

  20. mick December 17th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    —-

    Yeah, I’m sure that threat will have Hal shaking in his boots.
    =======================================
    No but bad attendance will.

  21. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Benoit is good….he might get 10 per though

  22. mick December 17th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    How about the Moody Blues?
    Talk about a watered down product.

  23. mick December 17th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Benoit will be scooped up soon.
    We should get him regardless of Tanaka/Arod.
    Penny wise pound foolish..

  24. Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    It could very well be about giving back to the fans. The Yankees have lost $250 million the last 10 years that they could have spent on the team. Yes, they could have also pocketed that money, but they could have signed a mega-star of dozens of solid MLB players with that money as well.

    Oh come on you cannot really believe this. It is impossible for them to have given that 250 million back to the team because doing so would have incurred the same penalty you seem to think they would pay back! You’re talking about the team with the largest revenues and highest or 2nd highest ticket prices in a sport with record revenues.

    Paying luxury tax with a large payroll is the least the Yankees could do for the fans.

  25. sunny615 December 17th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    still the old old yankees.

  26. bbb51 December 17th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    No desire for Veras on this team again.

  27. pkyankfan69 December 17th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    2 years – $14M for Balfour and the Yanks weren’t in on him? Disappointing.

  28. Doreen December 17th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Not sure how anyone manages to NOT be voted into he RnR HOF.

  29. Doreen December 17th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    BUT, a fantastic placeto visit!!!

  30. I am Brett Godner December 17th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    “when they have their eyes on Benoit”

    I hope so. He would have been my choice out of the arms available this off season.

  31. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    mick December 17th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
    Who votes for the Rock Hall of Fame anyway?
    Deep Purple and Yes not voted in?
    Not much left of the classic rock genre.
    =====================================

    Hope they voted in that “Little Jeezy’” guy or “Biggie Smalls”

  32. I am Brett Godner December 17th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    BTW if I never see the number 189 ever again I will be a happy guy.

  33. mick December 17th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    1.4m voters and YES and Deep Purple got 23% of the vote.
    Cat Stevens and Linda Ronstadt got 11.5% and they get in?
    Who voted them in?

  34. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    They don’t frown upon drug use as much in the rock and roll HOF

  35. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    @PeteAbe: #RedSox announce minor league deal for RHP Shunsuke Watanabe, a sidearmer from Japan. Going to minor league spring training as reliever

    Wannabe

  36. mick December 17th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    So they get McCann, Ellsbury and Beltran for almost 285m . Then stop?
    They are clearly back in pinching pennies mode.
    Wonder what the total number is?
    400m to spend with Tanaka?
    Take it or leave it.
    What do they think a decent starter will cost AAV?
    Not much less than Tanaka.
    They will make an offer of 6/115, take it or leave it.

  37. Ted Nelson December 17th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Veras is a RP with a career ERA of about 4. 1.7 fWAR in 6 full MLB seasons. All of 26 career saves (for people who care). I don’t think $5 million+ is a bad bet at all. He is coming off a career year. Maybe he changed something and he repeats it. Probably not, but even still he has 1.6 fWAR the past three seasons.. I wouldn’t have minded signing him, but it’s not something I’m going to be upset about.

    Benoit has just about matched Veras’ career fWAR most individual seasons since becoming a full-time RP. I don’t know if they have any interest in or chance of signing him, but as long as he’s out there I’m certainly not going to get bent out of shape about Veras. If they don’t have faith in their in-house guys then Veras would have made sense, but if they have some faith then he’s probably not a real upgrade. DRob, Kelley, and Thornton are a pretty respectable late inning crew if you feel confident in getting to them. Certainly they could upgrade and have spent tens of millions on a set-up man before, but I don’t think it’s a big deal in relative terms.

    Balfour seems like a better value to me than Veras. He’s crushed his peripherals for like 5 out of 6 years now for ERAs that are routinely about a point below Veras’. Those have come in very P friendly parks, though. He’s a fly ball P who has gotten hit hard in YS and Fenway on his career. A lot of that probably has to do with who he was facing, but maybe that had something to do with the apparent lack of interest not just from NYY but league wide. Could also be that he seems to annoy people.

  38. Triple Short of a Cycle December 17th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    The Replacements got snubbed

  39. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    @ChrisCotillo: #Indians announce signing of Matt Treanor to a minor league deal.

    Francona just wanted to meet misty May

  40. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    That Balfour deal is pretty good….I’m surprised he didn’t beat that

  41. mick December 17th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    How is Chris Perez?

  42. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
    They don’t frown upon drug use as much in the rock and roll HOF
    =====
    Are you alleging that some of theses artists took PEDs?!?!?

  43. Ted Nelson December 17th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    “Oh come on you cannot really believe this. It is impossible for them to have given that 250 million back to the team because doing so would have incurred the same penalty you seem to think they would pay back!”

    Let me try to explain this again. They have the opportunity to reset the luxury tax and thereby pay less to the league. They can either pocket that money, or they can reinvest it in the team (- the 17% or whatever that would come out of it).

    **If** they had not been made to pay $250 million in luxury taxes, they could have either pocketed it or reinvested it. That’s a hypothetical situation where there is no luxury tax.

  44. I am Brett Godner December 17th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    “Triple Short of a Cycle December 17th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
    The Replacements got snubbed”

    And that’s a god damn crime. Better than all the classic rock garbage that gets mentioned. Better than the nirvana too IMO.

  45. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    2 years – $14M for Balfour and the Yanks weren’t in on him? Disappointing.

    ___

    Guys, it is possible Veras and Balfour wanted a guaranteed closer role.
    They won’t get that from the Yankees.
    Don’t just assume it is only about money.

  46. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    I also still think this luxury tax thing is BS.
    Yankees giving money to other rich owners that are too cheap to spend on their teams.
    The Steinbrenners are hardly the richest owners in baseball.

  47. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Misty May Treanor joins Nick Swishers’ wife….

    …lotta photo ops there !!!

  48. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Especially owners like the Marlins owner who pockets any money he gets in revenue sharing instead of spending on his team.

    Why anyone signs with the Marlins is beyond me since in one year they will be traded anyway…

  49. mick December 17th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    What does Philly want for Papelbon?
    I bet they are in talks for him.

  50. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    “The Steinbrenners are hardly the richest owners in baseball.”

    No but their team creates the most revenue

  51. Ted Nelson December 17th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    “Benoit is good….he might get 10 per though”

    I’d probably rather pay him 2-20 than Veras 2-10 or whatever.

    “So they get McCann, Ellsbury and Beltran for almost 285m . Then stop?
    They are clearly back in pinching pennies mode.”

    I would imagine that, as they are saying, they are waiting to see what happens with A-Rod. If they go up to their payroll limit without A-Rod and he’s only suspended 50 games… they’re now actually about $37.5 million over their budget between like $25 million to A-Rod (assuming he hits 6 HRs or whatever it is) and the 50% tax hit. As long as the guys they want to use his money on aren’t coming off the board in the meantime they can bide their time to some extent. If the guys they want do come off the board, there might not be much that they can do about it. For all we know if may have already cost them one or more guys they would have signed had A-Rod’s suspension been official. Then again, for all we know they are going to try to stay below $189 m.

  52. pete2 December 17th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Ted Nelson “I f A-Rod plays they are pretty much already over $189 million. ”

    They are still under 189 if Arod gets suspended for 100 games. Does anyone really expect Arod to get 0 or even 50?

    “How do you reconcile that with handing out huge long-term deals to Ellsbury, McCann, and Beltran this offseason? (Maybe Tanaka too, though we’ll have to wait and see.) I think that you should be careful what you wish for in terms of ownership. Regardless of that, though, if you want to clear long-term commitments then signing long-term deals is not what you do.”

    I do not consider McCann and Beltran to be long term deals. Ellsbury yes, but that was shorter than the 10 years Cano was asking for, and I am looking at Ellsbury as a cheaper and shorter alternative to Cano.

    Obviously, if you want to sell the team you have to keep it somewhat competitive, or at least on the cusp of competing. Not saying that that’s the plan (to sell) but I just can not fathom what else they are doing.

    I mean, they did commit to almost 300 million for 3 players over 15 player seasons and at the cost of 3 draft picks, Yet they seem content to field what looks like an 85 W team that will leave 50-75 million revenues on the table to save on a luxury tax that they have paid for over a decade, and bring salaries down to 2002 levels (adjusted for salary inflation) despite a new stadium which has increased revenues significantly.

  53. mick December 17th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    None of the starters they want will come off till the Tanaka deal is settled.
    Benoit might but there’s nothing much else available unless they are dealing Nunez and Phelps for Papelbon with Philly picking up some salary.

  54. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    “They are still under 189 if Arod gets suspended for 100 games. Does anyone really expect Arod to get 0 or even 50?”

    If Arod gets 100 games they are already over as well….he has to be suspended pretty much all season or they are already over 189

  55. mick December 17th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    I don’t think the 189 is as crucial as lowering the payroll in general.
    It all depends whether they think they are a post season team as of yet.

  56. Tar December 17th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    I like the Roberts signing. But they should still go hard after Ackley.

    BTW who is the BU 1B?

  57. mick December 17th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    johnson

  58. ron December 17th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    nick Johnson ?

  59. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    BTW who is the BU 1B?”

    Cash is hiding Overbay under the dugout

  60. Tar December 17th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Johson has played 1B for 3 games total in his professional career.

    we have 20 something middle infielders on the roster and no BU 1B. Gotta love Cashman’s roster construction.

    Did I say I like the Roberts signing…. I really do. Just has to stay on the field and he will help.

  61. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Anybody can back up 1B…

  62. Tar December 17th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    “Anybody can back up 1B…”

    Apparently Cash agrees with you.

  63. bbb51 December 17th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Good god, no papelblow on this team. Id rather watch Betances try to close.

  64. Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Let me try to explain this again. They have the opportunity to reset the luxury tax and thereby pay less to the league. They can either pocket that money, or they can reinvest it in the team (- the 17% or whatever that would come out of it).

    **If** they had not been made to pay $250 million in luxury taxes, they could have either pocketed it or reinvested it. That’s a hypothetical situation where there is no luxury tax.

    So you’re expecting the Yankees to run out a 260 million dollar payroll once they reset the luxury tax?

  65. blake December 17th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    I mean ideally you want a real 1B to back up there….but anybody could in a pinch. I think they’ll add somebody else though with 1B experience. Baker or Reynolds

  66. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Baker.

  67. bigdan22 December 17th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    So does everyone agree that the Yanks payroll is about $185MM now, give or take a couple million? And Chad is right, they are pretty much done spending on position players because they’re roster is almost full.

    So lets start taking some bets. How many folks think the Yanks will spend $10MM more? $15MM? $20MM, $25MM? Are they even going to approach $50MM, because that’s how much they’ll have to spend to get close to last year’s number? Do they look like a team about to spend $50MM? Even if Arod gets just 50 games, that’s $35 more million the Yanks can spend and still be below last year’s budget, not including inflation.

    See where I’m going with this? Every time someone calculates 189, reports on it, or whatever they are missing the big picture.

  68. Russell Munson December 17th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Maybe we should wait until March before complaining about not having a backup 1B.

  69. I am Brett Godner December 17th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    “What does Philly want for Papelbon?”

    His salary off their books and his whiny spoiled butt out of their clubhouse.

  70. Tar December 17th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    “I mean ideally you want a real 1B to back up there….but anybody could in a pinch. I think they’ll add somebody else though with 1B experience. Baker or Reynolds”

    I get anybody could in pinch, I was just hoping that Cashman would have gotten beyond the “in a pinch” part.

    Baker did play 4 games at 1b four years ago…he sounds qualified to be a “in a pinch” 1B.

    I wonder if Jeter could fill in there…I mean in a pinch?

  71. blake December 17th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Is really have a hard time wrapping my head around Papelbon being a Yankee…..I mean I really couldn’t stand him when he was with Boston.

    That said if they’d eat some money and take spare parts to move him then he would help them…..

    His AAV is 12.5….if they made it 8 or 9 for the final 2 years then that could be worse.

    He does have a vesting option but it’s no lock to vest….

  72. Tar December 17th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    “Maybe we should wait until March before complaining about not having a backup 1B.”

    And maybe you should ………..

    Thank You.

  73. blake December 17th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    “So does everyone agree that the Yanks payroll is about $185MM now, give or take a couple million? And Chad is right, they are pretty much done spending on position players because they’re roster is almost full.”

    I don’t know if everyone agrees but that’s pretty much what it is

  74. blake December 17th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    If papelbons option vests then if means he’s healthy and still closing so it wouldn’t be the worst thing ever…..

    He needs to either finish 55 games in 2015 or finish a combined 100 games between 2014 and 2015 to best …..he finished 54 last year so the 55 in a season could happen but wouldn’t be a lock and if he got hurt either year it would prevent the 100 finshes clmbined most likely.

  75. Tar December 17th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    I mean I was kind of hoping that Tex would get plenty of rest vs certain starting RH pitching.

    But that is probably not feasible with a roster that consists of 20% middle infielders. And really no starting 3rd baseman as of yet.

  76. blake December 17th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Tex is gonna play most every day until he gets hurt

  77. Tar December 17th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Haha Ron Darling just talked about all the “Yankee middle infield options”.

  78. Ys Guy December 17th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    papelbon’s 3rd year option vests if he finishes 50 games in 2015 or 105 in 14/15 combined, meaning that if it vests, he’ll still be their closer and it will be worth it.

    its not a bad contract if the phillies are picking up some of it.

    and even though he’s not as good as he was, he’s still prettty good.

    but then again it is papelbon. there is a natural gag reflex at the idea of him in pinstripes.

  79. blake December 17th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Steven drew fixed a lot of problems….still haven’t heard a lot about him

  80. Tar December 17th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    “Tex is gonna play most every day until he gets hurt”

    ugh….. I like Tex, just not everyday

    Can this team afford an Overbay? I mean not only salary but the roster space as well?

  81. bbb51 December 17th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    Baker has started 70-something games at 1b. Good enough. Sign the man.

  82. blake December 17th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    “but then again it is papelbon. there is a natural gag reflex at the idea of him in pinstripes.”

    I had a rough time with Youk….it would be even harder with pimplebum …..but if he helped them win games Id learn to deal

  83. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    bbb51 December 17th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
    Baker has started 70-something games at 1b. Good enough. Sign the man.
    ===========================

    Hey, they play Nunez on defense….Baker’s gotta be better (regardless of position)

    I know – ‘low bar’ comparison….

  84. Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    I know this wont seem like such a wild prediction, but the Yankees will stink next season as long as Roberts is on the active roster. He is a ca.ncer on every team he plays on. The only recent season the Orioles had any success was when Roberts missed the most time due to injury.

  85. pkyankfan69 December 17th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Just sign Benoit… Please no Papelbum.., no thanks to that river dancing fairy

  86. bigdan22 December 17th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    http://nypost.com/2013/12/17/s.....e-al-east/

    Haha. I guess CC is not a fan of WAR.

  87. blake December 17th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Wonder if they’d trade Utley

  88. Tar December 17th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    “Baker has started 70-something games at 1b. Good enough. Sign the man.”

    Yeah but only 10 in the last 5 years. Baker does seem to have a lot of flexibility.

    But really just how many middle infielders is Cash going to sign? I guess the theory is if you throw enough against the wall something will eventually stick.

  89. blake December 17th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Utley bounced back to a pretty nice little year in 2013…..right at 4 win player

  90. Tar December 17th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    “Utley bounced back to a pretty nice little year in 2013…..right at 4 win player”

    I’m not saying I wouldn’t want Utley….. but why would they sign Roberts if they were planning on trading for Utley?

  91. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Haha. I guess CC is not a fan of WAR.

    If Jeter produces like he did in 2012 that actually would be a pretty big factor to making the playoffs.

  92. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    The Phillies just extended Utley this past August, I don’t think they would want to trade him right now. Then again, with RAJ, you just never know.

  93. MG December 17th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    I don’t really pay attention to the luxury tax but all of this talk about essentially paying an additional 10% of payroll in luxury tax is so overblown it’s ridiculous.

    I would guess that winning a world championship or going deep into the playoffs generates tons more revenue than the $20-$30M range that is being discussed. A single sellout playoff game with 45,000 attending at an average ticket price of $200, for example, would be $9M in ticket sales plus all of the high margin food, beverage and souvenirs.

    This is just bad management and shame on Yankee ownership for making this the focus of the team and diehard fans for the past couple of years.

  94. Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Tar, a utility guy perhaps.

  95. Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    “I don’t really pay attention to the luxury tax but all of this talk about essentially paying an additional 10% of payroll in luxury tax is so overblown it’s ridiculous”

    Indeed.

  96. blake December 17th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    I don’t know if they’d move Utley now but if they aren’t in the race in July they might

  97. mick December 17th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    They will get either Reynolds, Baker or Young to BU1B.
    Baker can also play the OF but not much IF anymore.

  98. blake December 17th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    I’m not saying I wouldn’t want Utley….. but why would they sign Roberts if they were planning on trading for Utley?”

    It’s 2 million bucks….Cashman wastes way more than that ever year on Hafners and Brignacs and guys like that…..I mean they took a flyer on Roberts but I don’t see him blocking them from doing something entree if it comes along …..they don’t has that much invested in him

  99. mick December 17th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    If they got Utley, Roberts could coach 3B.

  100. Captain Clutch December 17th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Hopefully it’s not Boras….
    ———-

    @jcrasnick

    Hearing Masahiro Tanaka has picked an agent, but isn’t willing to reveal it yet. Everything is big news with this guy.

  101. Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    “It’s 2 million bucks….Cashman wastes way more than that ever year on Hafners and Brignacs and guys like that…..I mean they took a flyer on Roberts but I don’t see him blocking them from doing something entree if it comes along …..they don’t has that much invested in him”

    Correct.

  102. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 17th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    @jcrasnick

    Hearing Masahiro Tanaka has picked an agent, but isn’t willing to reveal it yet. Everything is big news with this guy.
    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Hopefully it’s not Jay-Z! I dont mind Boras.

  103. blake December 17th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    I know the Phillies just signed Utley but they are very close to needing to tear it all down and rebuild……if the first half of 2014 doesn’t go well they may firesell at the deadline

  104. ron December 17th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    What number will tanaka wear with us?

    Can’t wait til we sign him.

  105. blake December 17th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Boras works well with the yanks….he might even make it more likely that Tanaka ends up in pinstripes

  106. mick December 17th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    If they don’t get Tanaka, who do thry go for?
    Santana, Garza , Arroyo, Nobody?

  107. ron December 17th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    We all saw this happening with the Phillies,now they are trying to dump payroll because they can’t get better.Can’t add payroll.

  108. ron December 17th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    I’d go for jimenez.

  109. Patrick December 17th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    I know the Phillies just signed Utley but they are very close to needing to tear it all down and rebuild……if the first half of 2014 doesn’t go well they may firesell at the deadline

    They should have tore it down and started a rebuild a long time ago.. but RAJ just keeps truckin

  110. Russell Munson December 17th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Johann Santana maybe.

  111. Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Jay Z is a fool.

  112. AAA December 17th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    I know the Phillies just signed Utley but they are very close to needing to tear it all down and rebuild……if the first half of 2014 doesn’t go well they may firesell at the deadline

    ==============================

    Yankees farm system will have to have an awfully good 1st half in order to get an Utley type. They need to the stock to go up on their better prospects.

  113. mick December 17th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Johan wanted to come here.
    I can see it.

  114. mick December 17th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    If the NYY’s are rolling the dice on a 4th starter and a 2B, they can get away with it if they stay healthy.

  115. AAA December 17th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Boras works well with the yanks….he might even make it more likely that Tanaka ends up in pinstripes

    ===============================

    This statement is about 20% as true as the following statement:

    Boras is a raging crap weasel…..he almost makes it a certainty that Tanaka ends up with the team THAT OFFERS THE MOST MONEY!

  116. mick December 17th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Benoit has only closed for 1 year.
    He might take setup/closer $$$ whatever that is.
    He might not command real closer money so we have a shot.

  117. mick December 17th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Secretly, I don’t think Hal wants Tanaka, sort of like Cano.

  118. austinmac December 17th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    I like the two additions today. Roberts can be good, at least . Same for Thornton. Obviously, both are declining, but they are better with them than without them.

    I will keep my finger crossed Tanaka will be posted, and we will go all out. I read somewhere the Yankees think he will spark excitement. If they believe that, they want to win the bidding.

  119. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    I could see them offering Johan Santana a deal for a couple mil with incentives if he actually pitches….

  120. ron December 17th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    jimenez is the only pitcher that is a fa that might get better,and be good.He is still young,his k % was off the charts,his fb mph was up.He did walk a ton though,but if we don’t get tanaka,or don’t trade for a sp,and we can get him for 3/36,i’d do it.3/39 maybe.
    Pitching is very expensive.

  121. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    I don’t see Ubaldo settling for 3 years unless no one gives him more.

  122. ron December 17th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    Santanna is finished.Please no.
    It’s like wanting wang.
    I’d trade gardner for a sp,or sign jimenez.
    If we don’t like jimenez,and he is too expensive,stay in house.

  123. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Jimenez certainly has the biggest upside.

  124. chicken_stanley December 17th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    If they don’t get Tanaka, who do thry go for?Santana, Garza , Arroyo, Nobody?

    ———

    I like Santana’s (Ervin) stuff better than any of those listed but he can translate the stuff into success for some reason (head case?)
    .

    Garza – #4; injury concerns; potentially high price tag

    Arroyo – juvenile of me but he”s gonna have to get rid of. The “twinkle toed” delivery that I came to hate so much with the Sox before I ever accept him.

  125. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    I would definitely give Santana a shot. Even if his arm isn’t what it used to be, the guy knows how to pitch. I like crafty lefties in Yankee Stadium.

  126. Yes You McCann December 17th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    Cashman likes to throw crap at the wall. Should just take a chance on Johan on a reasonable deal. 5th or 6th starter, with Tanaka. Go for it.

  127. mick December 17th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Why would they spend on a 4th starter when they wouldn’t sign Infante?
    If they don’t get Tanaka they will go reclamation with Johan or in house.
    Or maybe the Sweaty Freddy route.

  128. chicken_stanley December 17th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Ubaldo has been really good and also very bad over the past several seasons… his mechanics are a train wreck… buyer beware

  129. austinmac December 17th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    If they don’t get Tanaka I think it will be a low cost, high risk guy like Johan. Everything I read says they don’t like the high priced guys.

    Come on Tanaka.

  130. mick December 17th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    his mechanics are a train wreck… buyer beware
    ================
    He is not pretty and will hear it in the Bronx if he is mediocre.
    Not sure he is equipped fo that, he seems sensitive.

  131. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Why would they spend on a 4th starter when they wouldn’t sign Infante?
    If they don’t get Tanaka they will go reclamation with Johan or in house.
    Or maybe the Sweaty Freddy route.
    ___

    Because a #4 is more important than a crappy 2b making way too much money?

  132. mick December 17th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    I still get the feeling they are looking for another team to make their decision on Tanaka for them like they did with Cano.

  133. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    I can understand why they stay away from high-priced, lengthy contracts on pitchers…usually a terrible ROI due to risk. So many things can go wrong with pitchers. The only long-term that worked out well was Moose….IIRC.

  134. mick December 17th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    Infante is actually underpaid when compared with the top 2B.

  135. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Mick I disagree.
    Tanaka can make them money.
    Cano does not put butts in the seats as shown from 2013.

  136. ron December 17th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Santanna is not the answer,and will retire soon.
    Major shoulder surgeries.

    Mets medical director David Altchek repaired a tear in the capsule in the front of his left shoulder. He also had surgery on Sept. 14, 2010, to repair tears in the front and bottom of the shoulder’s anterior capsule.
    Kiss of death.

  137. mick December 17th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    ac1, I hope you are right…

  138. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 17th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Another quick drive-by. Tar, thank you for asking, my back is doing well. I chanced taking a 2 and 1/2 mile walk through snow and ice the other day because I was sick of not being able to be outside, and it went beautifully. I wore a back brace but don’t think I really needed it.

    1. I didn’t think that Arod could sink any lower than he already had, but I was wrong. The scumbag derelict loser (my apologies to scumbag derelict losers everywhere for the comparison) is now writing a “tell all” book? LMAO!!!!! This apparently signal that he knows the arbitration will not go in his favor and he’s trying to grab as much ‘scarole as he can for what he’s going to lose. Tacopina probably told him to also grab a little pretrial publiclity for their case against MLB that will probably never make it to court anyway.

    2. I just heard we got Brian Roberts. I always felt that he was juicing but of course no way to prove that. There was a time he was one heck of a player for the O’s, but he got hurt so much that there’s no great way to predict what Brian Roberts will be here. I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that he’s going to be terrible. He certainly knows how to play 2nd base. So I say hope for the best.

    3. I don’t know what reaction here has been. I only hope that there hasn’t been total broad-brush painting by those who may not be happy, if there are any who are not happy. Getting Brian Roberts does not remove Ellsbury, McCann, and Beltran.

    There’s no way you’d know Christmas was coming if you were to visit my house. The three plus weeks I lost with my back issue really have come back to bite me. So I am doing the hustle triple time, trying to make up for lost time. I’ll just be contributing drive-bys when I can.

    :)

  139. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    I was actually surprised they re-signed CC when he had the option to walk. In retrospect, it may have been better to let him walk.

  140. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Me too Mick….. me. too.

  141. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    I was actually surprised they re-signed CC when he had the option to walk. In retrospect, it may have been better to let him walk.
    ___

    Really?
    Then they would be filling 3 spots instead of 2.

  142. blake December 17th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    “Boras is a raging crap weasel…..he almost makes it a certainty that Tanaka ends up with the team THAT OFFERS THE MOST MONE”

    What I meant is that Boras has a good relationship with the Yankees and he often gets them to pay the most for his players

  143. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Ron…

    No one is suggesting signing Santana for a long=term deal. It would be a make good deal with incentives. Let him prove he can pitch again. No harm in it.

  144. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
    I was actually surprised they re-signed CC when he had the option to walk. In retrospect, it may have been better to let him walk.
    ___

    Really?
    Then they would be filling 3 spots instead of 2.
    ===========
    If you are talking uniform sizes, then 4 spots.

  145. blake December 17th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    mick says:
    December 17, 2013 at 8:58 pm
    Infante is actually underpaid when compared with the top 2B.

    The fact that he got 210 million less than cano still doesn’t mean that’s really a great deal for Infante….

  146. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Infante is actually underpaid when compared with the top 2B.

    ___

    Both are overpaid. At least Cano is one of the best players in the league.

    Infante is a back up that had one good year.

  147. mick December 17th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    They still need another 2B in case Roberts goes down.
    If they keep Nunez here, why do they need Reynolds?

  148. J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    The only thing I’d want from Philadelphia is Makiel Franco (they can throw in Jesse Biddle and Ethan Martin, too :) ).

  149. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Get better soon Trish…sorry to hear about your back problems.

  150. J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    From Robinson Cano to Brian Roberts….

  151. GMAN December 17th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    The secret sauce for the Yankees is consistently winning as in a lot more game than they lose and getting to at least the ALCS… Serious contention for the World Series… They make money by winning… The Yankees have the winning lottery ticket every year… The payroll tax is just a gratuity to the owners of some of the other teams that really are content to make a little money for very little effort.

  152. chicken_stanley December 17th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    blake says:December 17, 2013 at 9:03 pmmick says:December 17, 2013 at 8:58 pmInfante is actually underpaid when compared with the top 2B.The fact that he got 210 million less than cano still doesn’t mean that’s really a great deal for Infante….

    ——–

    I think the Yankees really dropped the ball by not signing Infante… I guess time will tell

  153. mick December 17th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    Michael Young might make more sense than Reynolds as he can play any IF spot.

  154. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    From Robinson Cano to Brian Roberts….

    ____

    Stewart to McCann
    Ichiro and Wells to Ellsbury
    Overbay to Tex
    Everyone to Jeter

    Full year of Soriano.

    I think it is a net gain.

  155. mick December 17th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    They seem to be going after character guys: McCann, Ellsbury, Beltran, Roberts…Young would be a good fit.

  156. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    I think the Yankees really dropped the ball by not signing Infante… I guess time will tell

    __

    Seriously?

    A 4 year contract for a back up with one good year?

    That’s dropping the ball?

  157. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
    From Robinson Cano to Brian Roberts….
    ——-
    Truthfully, I would rather spend the Cano money on post=esason performers like Beltran and Ells. Cano and Grandy might have put up good numbers, but they tanked in post=season…same with CC….great warm weather pitcher…so-so in October.

  158. sammiejohnson December 17th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    “Boras is a raging crap weasel…..he almost makes it a certainty that Tanaka ends up with the team THAT OFFERS THE MOST MONEY!”

    Isn’t that his job? To get the best deal he can for his client?

  159. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    From Robinson Cano to Brian Roberts….

    ____

    Stewart to McCann
    Ichiro and Wells to Ellsbury
    Overbay to Tex
    Everyone to Jeter

    Full year of Soriano.

    I think it is a net gain.

    ___

    Forgot Beltran over Granderson/Almonte/etc….

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Not really.

  161. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    I want Cashman to focus acquisitions on players who have either shown they are play-off studs or who have attributes that should play well in play-offs. Getting rid of players like Swisher, Cano, Granderson, and Hughes is progress IMO.

  162. chicken_stanley December 17th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    ac1 says:December 17, 2013 at 9:09 pmI think the Yankees really dropped the ball by not signing Infante… I guess time will tell__Seriously?A 4 year contract for a back up with one good year?That’s dropping the ball?

    ———–

    Yep. Thats my opinion… as I said, time will tell which of us is correct

  163. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    We have improved in many positions and lost at 2B and bullpen.
    So far net gain IMO.

  164. blake December 17th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    The offense is better than a year ago overall…….but at the moment the pitching is worse both in the rotation and bullpen.

    Not sure they are actually a better team…..yet…..

  165. J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Cano has nothing in common with either Swisher or Granderson as a hitter.

    He is a legitimately great hitter; they are both flawed hitters.

  166. J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Almonte is a decent hitter with power, especially LH, who will never get much of a chance now.

  167. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Almonte is a decent hitter with power, especially LH, who will never get much of a chance now.

    ___

    Never know.
    Injuries seem to find our team.

  168. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
    Cano has nothing in common with either Swisher or Granderson as a hitter.
    ____
    I disagree. Cano has been brutal in play-offs (with a few exceptions) because he lost patience and tried to do too much….bottom line=his results were terrible…and I would rather use his money to get players who have shown they are play-offs studs.

  169. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Yankees will go harder for Tanaka than Cano because Cano doesn’t draw fans.
    When they needed him to be the leader, he didn’t lead or even try…..
    He blamed the injured players missing.

  170. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    JAP–I sum it up like this….ARod took this team to WC in 2009 and was worth the contract. Cano is not the type of player who would carry a team to a WC…he is neither a leader nor a winner. He is a great ballplayer, but not worth the money he was asking for.

    I would rather get players who pass the baton and create runs than put all my funds in a player who puts up numbers in season and folds like a cheap suit in play-offs.

  171. J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    2012 Cano in the postseason was a complete anomaly.

    To compare him with Nick Swisher and Granderson is just entirely nuts, sorry.

  172. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Difference of opinion….fine.

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Cano is not the type of player who would carry a team to a WC…he is neither a leader nor a winner. He is a great ballplayer, but not worth the money he was asking for.
    ///

    This is garbage purple prose columnist type stuff.

    What did he hit in August and September last year?

    What were his high leverage numbers last year on a sucky team that provided no protection?

    The “lack of leadership” stuff is pure garbage. Go look up what he did with RISP and then come back and tell me he failed to “lead” them.

  174. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    Just recognize that in 11 play-off series, Cano carries a .222/.267/.419 line. Pretty much makes my case.

  175. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    This is garbage purple prose columnist type stuff.

    What did he hit in August and September last year?
    ============
    Let me know when they start playing play-offs in August and September and I will change my opinion.

  176. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    JAP, Cano played well yes, but do not try to say he was a leader.
    I remember one specific interview where he flat out said this team is missing its leaders.
    MISSING its leaders.
    Meaning he did NOT consider himself able to carry the team.

    Don’t get me wrong i wish he was still here, but he was not worth 10/240.
    No one is

  177. blake December 17th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    No one player can lead a team to the playoffs in baseball….this isn’t the NBA

  178. ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    No one player can lead a team to the playoffs in baseball….this isn’t the NBA

    ___

    I think the point is that Cano did not put butts in the seats.
    Don’t tell me that he is on the star level of Jeter and A-Rod.

  179. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    blake December 17th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
    No one player can lead a team to the playoffs in baseball….this isn’t the NBA
    ====
    I disagree. ARod carried team to WC in 2009….Reggie carried team in 1978….AP carried Cards…

    While other players certainly contribute, it is sometimes a star who goes above and beyond who makes the difference.

  180. blake December 17th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Mike trout couldn’t get the angels to the playoffs either

  181. Against All Odds December 17th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
    Just recognize that in 11 play-off series, Cano carries a .222/.267/.419 line. Pretty much makes my case.

    ———————

    How much of that is the result of an all rime poor playoff performance??

  182. blake December 17th, 2013 at 9:37 pm


    I disagree. ARod carried team to WC in 2009….Reggie carried team in 1978….AP carried Cards…”

    The 2009 Yankees won 103 games and where great overall….Arod helped but it wasn’t just him

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Let me know when they start playing play-offs in August and September and I will change my opinion.
    //

    You said he can’t lead a team to a WC. Go look up his numbers all year; he had one bad month.

    In August and September, while they were fighting for a WC spot, he did nothing but drive in runners. He did it all season. Go look at the numbers. Then come back and tell me again how he wasn’t clutch and didn’t try to get them to the postseason.

    Not his fault that the rest of his team just sucked.

    They sucked in 2012, too; he was walked with the bases loaded in a home game against Seattle so they could pitch to his “protection” Mark Teixeira.

    He was a gem among garbage for the last two seasons.

  184. Against All Odds December 17th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    I think the point is that Cano did not put butts in the seats.

    ————————

    How many baseball players put butts in the seats in this day and age?? Jeter, A-rod, and maybe that’s it. Probably Trout

  185. Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Cano had insane OPS in 2011 and 2010 playoffs

  186. mick December 17th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Thank god for Matsui in 09.

  187. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    ARod was incredible in the play-offs…with key game winning hits IIRC. He carried the team….no question IMO.

  188. J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    JAP, Cano played well yes, but do not try to say he was a leader.
    I remember one specific interview where he flat out said this team is missing its leaders.
    MISSING its leaders.
    Meaning he did NOT consider himself able to carry the team.
    ///

    Who the hell cares what he said in an interview?

    Leading by interview, that’s an interesting approach.

    The dude mashed all year.

    They didn’t extend him, didn’t trade him, and they watched him walk out the door for nothing.

    No attempt to belittle his greatness here changes the facts: he’s great, and he’s effing gone.

    Well done, Yankees.

  189. blake December 17th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    @the_real_manzo: “@EyeOnBaseball: The M’s signed Robinson Cano’s cousin, and his name is Burt Reynolds @cbssports” @PhilHughes65 great guy!

  190. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    As I said, Cano had a few exceptions where he had good series, but he had many more bad series.

    And while Cano did carry team during season, this franchise is all about winning WC, and my point was that Cashman is doing good work to restructure roster to get rid of players who don;t perform in post-season with players who have shown they can perform.

    The Cano money was better spent on players like Beltran and Ellsbury.

  191. blake December 17th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    I think we should trade whoever we need to to get Burt Reynolds

  192. J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    ac1 December 17th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    JAP, Cano played well yes, but do not try to say he was a leader.
    I remember one specific interview where he flat out said this team is missing its leaders.
    MISSING its leaders.
    Meaning he did NOT consider himself able to carry the team.
    ///

    What a load of crap.

    I went to the Stadium to see Cano.

    What, you don’t want to watch a guy like that throw runners out and make plays? Don’t want to watch his ABs?

    Let’s see: not a baseball fan, I would say.

  193. Against All Odds December 17th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Jerkface December 17th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
    Cano had insane OPS in 2011 and 2010 playoffs

    ———————–

    That doesn’t count :D j/k

  194. RhapsodyInBlue December 17th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Glad you’re feeling better Trisha.

  195. blake December 17th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    There was only 1 reason not to sign Cano and that’s was money…..he’s a great player

  196. mick December 17th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Does Robbies cousin know Alex’s cousin?

  197. mick December 17th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Smokey and the Bandit Burt Reynolds?

  198. Against All Odds December 17th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    blake December 17th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
    I think we should trade whoever we need to to get Burt Reynolds

    ————————–

    So we can just release him again :D

  199. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    No attempt to belittle his greatness here changes the facts: he’s great, and he’s effing gone.

    Well done, Yankees.
    ————
    I don’t blame Yankees for this. It wasn’t like they didn’t make a fair offer.

  200. mick December 17th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Boras wouldn’t have let him get away.

  201. BoJo December 17th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    mick December 17th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
    Smokey and the Bandit Burt Reynolds?
    ———
    Does he plays in Sally Fields?

  202. mick December 17th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    How does anybody get so attached to a player?
    If it were Jeter, sure…
    Is it the player or his value to the team?
    I’m beginning to wonder.

  203. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    mick December 17th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
    Does Robbies cousin know Alex’s cousin?
    ===================================

    Was there any connection ?

  204. UpState December 17th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    Robbie was very close with Melky.

    We saw what he ended up doing.

    Idiot.

  205. J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    There was only 1 reason not to sign Cano and that’s was money…..he’s a great player
    ///

    Ya think??

    There was no excuse not to have planned for this: either to have extended him earlier, figured out how to keep him, or to have turned him into a decent return.

  206. J. Alfred Prufrock December 17th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Meanwhile, Refsnyder, Katoh, Feliz and Gumbs: years away.

    Did I say well done?

  207. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Leaders? Andy’s gone. Mo is gone. Posada is gone. Jeter remains. That’s it folks. It’s leadership transition time. Maybe Tex or McCann or Ellsbury takes up the baton, but who knows.

    I’m more concerned about structure and strategy. We’re currently a better hitting team on paper than last year, but certainly not in the rotation or pen.

    We DON’T need an All Star at every position, just reliable fielders and hitters. No team has All Stars at every position, so we shouldn’t expect to either. That said, more work is needed – the rotation needs a Tanaka or a facsimile thereof. And the pen needs additional arms.

    The progress has been good, but far we’re from complete…

  208. mick December 17th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    They didn’t want him back for some reason.

  209. Against All Odds December 17th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

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