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Tanaka reportedly staying in Japan

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 19, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Via the New York Times: Multiple Japanese newspapers are reporting that Masahiro Tanaka will not be posted this winter. His team, the Rakuten Golden Eagles, are apparently planning to give him a record one-year contract instead. The Times cites one report that says team officials will meet with Tanaka on Friday to make the decision official. If it plays out that way, the offseason will have taken a serious twist. Tanaka was expected to be the top starting pitcher on the market. It’s worth noting that Ken Rosenthal reports at least one GM says he’s not buying it and still believes Tanaka will be posted.

 
 

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199 Responses to “Tanaka reportedly staying in Japan”

  1. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Kind of ironic that the “have nots” are dictating terms on Tanaka on both sides….

    Cheap MLB teams want to reign in NYY and the non’s in Japan want to keep the stars at home and limit the champs there….

  2. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    We shall see what we shall see.

    ;)

  3. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    @DavidWaldstein: I think they will reach some kind of deal and post Tanaka. Maybe he will pay them to exit his contract. But this makes Rakuten look bad.

    This is kinda what I’ve been saying…..if he wants to leave and they don’t let him then it makes Rakuten look petty …..

  4. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Waldstein is saying the same thing… one of us is reading the other’s posts….lol

  5. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    It’s also why you always should have at least a Plan B.

    maybe a plan C.

  6. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    @DavidWaldstein: Rakuten knows the Yankees opposed changes to be system. Rakuten has all leverage and could force Tanaka to sign with a specific team. Yanks?

    How?

  7. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Blake-

    And it makes Tanaka look greedy turning down a record setting offer.

    So it looks like a draw to me.

    ;)

  8. RadioKev December 19th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:10 am
    @DavidWaldstein: Rakuten knows the Yankees opposed changes to be system. Rakuten has all leverage and could force Tanaka to sign with a specific team. Yanks?

    How?
    ——–

    Doesn’t sound above board…

  9. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Steve-

    Just so you know.

    My e-mail is up and running again should you have anything to say.

    Sorry for the inconvenience.

    ;)

  10. brianlopez22 December 19th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    The Yanks made assumptions:

    1. They were their only competition to sign Cano.
    2. Tanaka would be posted and they would outbid everyone (not LT implications) and sign him to a modest contract
    3. Sign McCann, Ellsbury, Beltran (or Choo)

    They only hit on 1 of those 3.
    And now, they look like fools.

  11. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Hi Mike -

    There are lots of alternate plans, the problem is the timing and when do you say, okay, B is out, let’s move to the next one…

    Tanaka is the linchpin, obviously.

    Don’t be surprised if the other SP’s make a deal while the Rangers, NYY, Dodgers are fiddling.

  12. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    MTU,
    Maybe…..but perhaps he just wants to challenge himself professionally too. This is more than about just money……athletes that are the best want to play with the best and against the best

  13. Cashmoney December 19th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    That is always true MTU, it’s also true at nearly 200 mil, the NYY can barely buy a competitive team with some major holes still to be address.

    When are they going to realize or rather they do but actually have the developmental and evaluation system in place to produce internally?

  14. vrsce December 19th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Feudalism lives.

    Yankees may have to wait an extra year. It makes 189 possible, if ARod is suspended for the entire season. After which the Yankees, freed of luxury tax can outspend anyone for years to come.

  15. Cashmoney December 19th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    in 15, 200 mil might even buy you less.

  16. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Wanzies,
    Can you think of any realistic decent starters they could move Gardner for other than Bailey? I can’t really think of anybody …..

  17. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    @ChrisCotillo: #Reds sign Chien-Ming Wang to a minor league deal with a ST invite.

  18. Kelvin December 19th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Brian, how do the Yanks look like fools? McCan, Jacoby and Beltran in an offseason is nothing to sneeze at or be looked at as fools. lol laughable

  19. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Doesn’t sound above board…

    ———————

    Hal calls the Eagles and says if Tanaka posts they’ll sign him to a deal worth X, pay the $20 million posting, and build a practice facility for the team.

    Everyone wins!

  20. RadioKev December 19th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:14 am
    Wanzies,
    Can you think of any realistic decent starters they could move Gardner for other than Bailey? I can’t really think of anybody …..
    ———

    Brett Gardner and JR Murphy? That should get you something. Not an ace, but someone that can do the job I bet.

  21. Cashmoney December 19th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Shame, it’s about the Benjamins.

  22. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    “Hal calls the Eagles and says if Tanaka posts they’ll sign him to a deal worth X, pay the $20 million posting, and build a practice facility for the team”

    Wouldn’t bud pitch a fit about this…..the whole point of the new agreement was so that all the teams could compete

  23. RadioKev December 19th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:15 am
    Doesn’t sound above board…

    ———————

    Hal calls the Eagles and says if Tanaka posts they’ll sign him to a deal worth X, pay the $20 million posting, and build a practice facility for the team.

    Everyone wins!
    ———

    Throw in a statue in monument park.

  24. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Blake-

    And it makes Tanaka look greedy turning down a record setting offer.

    So it looks like a draw to me.

    ——————–

    I’m sure Eagles fans are reacting to that offer the way most Cano fans reacted to the Yankees offer, tbh. It’s not outside the realm of possibility at all that they’re using this to try to shame him to stay for a year. It’s a dirty move, but it’s business. Not sure how much perception matters in the grand scheme of things… is this something that leaves some sort of lasting mark on the Eagles in the eyes of their fans and the players? We could use someone that actually understands the culture more to enlighten us a little. If this was America, it would be forgotten in less than 6 months.

  25. Howler December 19th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Oh well, back to plan lets wait and see…Still like the idea of signing Garza..keep him for a year, and trade him away next year for what might be available or prospects…

  26. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Steve-

    Yes. A critical judgement. When to move on so as to not be left holding an empty bag or paying thru the nose on an emergency measure.

    Blake-

    I understand tanaka’s desire to test himself but I don’t think that matters all that much to his Parent
    club.

    Cash-

    I do not think the Yankees are ever going to be all that serious about development.

    But that is just a hunch.

  27. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Yes You McCann says:
    December 19, 2013 at 10:16 am
    blake, I must know your opinion on this. Lois & Clark, did you prefer the original Jimmy Olsen or the replacement that began in season 2?

    The replacement was better I thought

  28. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Wouldn’t bud pitch a fit about this…..the whole point of the new agreement was so that all the teams could compete

    —————

    Well it wouldn’t be an agreement directly tied to the deal with Tanaka. It’d probably need to be done separately in which case I dunno how much power Bud has to restrict a team from taking their private earnings and spending them however they want.

    It’d be a dirty play… but who cares? The only dirty play we care about is the one where we might not get Tanaka! A dirty play that helps us acquire him is perfectly acceptable and I say that sarcasm free!!!

  29. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Shame-

    IMO that would be JF.

  30. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    At least we made a non-Tanaka plan! This HAS been productive and no one can say otherwise!

  31. Cashmoney December 19th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    I do not think the Yankees are ever going to be all that serious about development.

    Then it’s simple, you will never see NYY missing 2 playoff in 2 decades again.

  32. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Throw in a statue in monument park.

    ——————

    We can retire a number for them if they want… we’ve been pretty liberal with those!

  33. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    The Japanese have an appreciation for American culture… do they want an Applebee’s?

  34. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    “It’d be a dirty play… but who cares? The only dirty play we care about is the one where we might not get Tanaka! A dirty play that helps us acquire him is perfectly acceptable and I say that sarcasm free!!!”

    Yes!

  35. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Shame-

    In some places stuff like that is a way of life.

    In Mexico, for example, they have a term known as “Mordida”. The “bite”.

    Mobsters used to call it “dipping your beak”.

    etc.

    Basically, a synonym for bribery.

    ;)

  36. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    I will trade Japan an Applebess and a Bojangles fena really good Japanese place

  37. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    MTU,
    They are building a dickies BBQ near where I live!

  38. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Maybe we can negotiation a three nation trade between America, Germany and Japan where America gets Tanaka, Germany gets the rights to Einstein back, and Japan gets David Hasslehoff.

  39. Tackelberry December 19th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:10 am
    @DavidWaldstein: Rakuten knows the Yankees opposed changes to be system. Rakuten has all leverage and could force Tanaka to sign with a specific team. Yanks?

    __________________________________________

    Selig would go crazy if Yanks tried this. Would only allow this for the Red Sox or for his hometown Brewers.

  40. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    blake -

    There are plenty of viable options left for SP. They may not pass muster with resident experts like us, but they represent real value.

    Free Agents include the obvious (Garza, Jiminez, Santana), plus Saunders, Arroyo, Maholm.

  41. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Basically, a synonym for bribery.

    —————–

    In my house that’s called the Italian handshake…

    Someone tell Hal to shake the owner of the Eagles hand and slip him a tightly folded personal check.

  42. sandy g December 19th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    why cant tanaka sit out this year in japan,move to the us,and become a free agent next year.

  43. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Blake-

    I think you’ll like it.

    Although with your vast BBQ expertise I’m not sure it come up to your standards.

    :)

  44. Cashmoney December 19th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    sandy g December 19th, 2013 at 10:27 am
    why cant tanaka sit out this year in japan,move to the us,and become a free agent next year.
    —-
    this would precisely benefit whom?

  45. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Can we trade Ichiro back to Japan?

  46. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Lots of trade options, too, depending on what the FO wanted to give up:

    Lohse and Gallardo come to mind. Phillies are always in play, particularly if the NYY took their closer.

  47. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Even if he sits out they control the rights to him as a player for 2014 and 2015.

  48. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    steve-

    If Tanaka doesn’t post do we go harder for Bailey ?

    Sweeten the pot a little ?

    Is he still in play or is that over ?

    What’s your take.

  49. Howler December 19th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I think we should just give Ichiro back…Godzilla can use him as a toothpick

  50. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Of course the Cubs would love to dump Samardzija and Jackson, but the market needs to tank first, IMO.

  51. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    MTU,
    Sometimes it’s easier to buy than make! Especially if it takes a long time like brisket

  52. brianlopez22 December 19th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    “Brian, how do the Yanks look like fools? McCan, Jacoby and Beltran in an offseason is nothing to sneeze at or be looked at as fools. lol laughable”

    Why are we discussing throwing money at Tanaka, Garza, and Choo, if that was enough.

    I’m not saying it wasn’t significant, I love the McCann signing and am warming up to the Beltran signing. Ellsbury still seemed like a reach, but I really hope I’m wrong.
    But losing on the best 2B in baseball and a true #2/3, is why I say they look like fools.

    To many of us, the Front Office seems to be in scramble mode.
    If the Cano departure didn’t rattle the FO, the Tanaka decision def will.

    I think they sit on their losses and stay under 189, assuming ARod is gone for the year.
    They need to feel they succeeded somewhere.

    Is that laughable?

  53. Your Name Here December 19th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    The Eagle not posting Tanaka makes complete sense. They won the championship this year, behind Tanaka. Why not wait 1 season, win another championship and post him next year? $20M now and no championship. $20M later and higher probability of another championship? Choice seems quite obvious.

  54. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Let’s just get this Tanaka thing over one way or the other.

    It’s creating a logjam of serious proportions.

    Hopefully we get our answer before Xmas.

  55. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Blake-

    the Brisket is the weakest of their offerings.

    :(

  56. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    MTU -

    At least a dozen viable options, for sure. Depends on the FO’s stomach and, of course, the dance partner needs to want to dance.

    IMO, the trade route makes more sense, in that it’s assets for assets. Any FA buy is going to be incrementally at 150 cents on the dollar (with the LT).

    Sure, Bailey is still in play. They all are.

  57. Cashmoney December 19th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    honestly, I am little tired of Tanaka affair already, aint nothing to do but wait at this point. And this is only the posting process lol.

  58. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Please, the FO is not scrambling… this is a multi-billion dollar corporation. Emotion is for PR.

  59. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    MYU,
    Brisket would be very hard to do in a restaurant I think…..be hard to keep it from drying out ….what did you eat there?

  60. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Cliff Lee
    Chase Utley

    Homer Baily
    Brandon Phillips

    Ubaldo Jimenez

  61. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Let’s just get this Tanaka thing over one way or the other.

    It’s creating a logjam of serious proportions.

    ————-

    I wonder if MLB and NPB shouldn’t look at setting a hard deadline for posting decisions? That’s not an option now, obviously, but it might be worth exploring.

  62. Howler December 19th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I think he’s making a mistake by not pushing to be posted now…who knows what kind of season he’s going to have next year, or if he gets injured. An injury and he can forget about any long term contract, and the Eagles can forget about a 20m posting fee. Even a poor season with the workload he had last year isn’t out of the question.

  63. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Cash-

    Same here.

    It’s gotten beyond old already for me.

    It’s becoming stale now.

    Good thing I’m not anywhere near this. I don’t have the patience for this kind of crap.

    Cashman does though. He likes waiting.

    ;)

  64. Howler December 19th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Bailey worries me with the amount of Homers that would be flying out of the stadium..We’ve already had our can’t miss prospect with that problem and he’s with Minn. now.

  65. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    @Deadspin

    Report: The Mariners have already maxed out their payroll. Good luck out there, Cano! http://deadsp.in/Mj1G2B3

    ————

    The M’s are insane.

  66. Cashmoney December 19th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    OT, Saw “Out of the Furnace” brilliant cast and a good movie.

  67. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Oh Jack Z…..he’s the worst

  68. RadioKev December 19th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Cano got his money, but there’s nothing wrong with hoping the Mariners will be complete and total failures during the course of the contract :)

  69. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Blake-

    I’ve pretty much tried everything.

    I like their ribs the best. Smoked sausage and ham are real good IMO.

    Their sides are nice too. I like the potato casserole and the jalapeno beans.

    Shame-

    Propose it and I’ll back you up.

    ;)

    Thanks for the response Steve.

    Sounds like a trade might be the way to go.

    I suggested getting De Aza from the WS so they could be free to trade GGBG or him and then adding a player or two to the pot if necessary.

    the front office better have the stomach for building a quality staff or we’re sunk.

    We need that mid-rotation type to complete the job well.

    ;)

  70. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    “Bailey worries me with the amount of Homers ”

    Good pun.

    ;)

  71. brianlopez22 December 19th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    “Please, the FO is not scrambling… this is a multi-billion dollar corporation. Emotion is for PR.”

    OK, if that were true, then why not have a $250mm payroll every year.
    We all know they can afford it.

    Why play that combination of players last year?
    Why has Cashman been dumpster diving the last 2 years?

    It appears, to me at least, they had a grand plan to overhaul their weaknesses and build a championship team. Getting McCann, Ellsbury, Beltran, Tanaka, maybe even trading for a payroll dump big name pitcher. All while resigning Cano and Jeter would definitely have qualified us as a (not the) pre-season favorite.

    It would be very hard to envision this as your team and not be able to deliver 2 HUGE cogs.

  72. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Cash-

    Mick said it was very good too.

  73. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    MTU,
    I’m a rib snob…..that’s my speciality ;) I love some smoked sausage

  74. Howler December 19th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    I think the M’s front office will be gone after this season, Cano was a signing to help keep them their jobs, if they don’t succeed, they’ll be history. Maybe it’ll get the ownership to spend some more money.

  75. MG December 19th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    what happens to most of your brains if Tanaka signs with the Yankees and turns into the modern day version of Hideki Irabu?

    Inquiring minds want to know…

    For my money I take Phelps, Warren, Pineda, Nuno, Ramirez, Marshall, Turley and every other starter in the system during spring training and say ‘here is your shot guys, prove you can pitch in rotation for us, may the best one win’.

  76. yankfan1 December 19th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource 1h

    Lots of Tanaka tweets. Don’t buy into Japanese papers. Many of them are NY Post-esque when it comes to reporting baseball news.

    interesting… Im not buying he doesn’t get posted unless its official. Ultimately I think its his decision, and 100 mill > 8 mill, it all comes down to money at the end, ask Cano, Pujols, CC, etc.

  77. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Blake-

    Then I literally think you’ll be in fat city.

    Their sauces are pretty good too.

    Come in a variety of heat levels.

    I usually go inferno level. It’s embarrassing crying in public though.

    :)

  78. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    MTU -

    IMO, it’s a matter of time and timing. Gardner is not a long-term answer (sorry to some here) and it is currently not in the FO’s thinking to extend or renew him. Nor will he be given a QO. Best value move? Trade him, and trade him for pitching.

    Zoilo is a very serviceable 4th/5th OF.

    Ichiro’s future is very clearly tied to Tanaka.

    Wells? A matter of time.

  79. yankfan1 December 19th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource 59m

    Which papers are reporting the new Tanaka news? I don’t see it in any of the prominent newspapers.

  80. Howler December 19th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Melting MTU…doesn’t paint a pretty picture. At least you’ve got a MOP to clean up the mess :)

  81. Chip December 19th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    So the question is, assuming Tanaka’s not posted:

    Do you overspend for Garza or Ubaldo?

    Do you sign a lower tier guy like James McDonald, John Lannan or Jason Hammel?

    Do you sign a reclamation guy with some upside like Johan?

    Do you scour the market for a pitcher that you can get for a package headed by Gardner and then revisit signing Choo?

    My guess is that they’ll go the Johan route (I’ve been saying this for weeks) and I think they’ll try to sign Garza based on his success in the AL East with Tampa.

    Johan will have to compete for a spot with Pineda, Phelps, Nuno and Warren in that scenario and there’s no guarantee he wins it.

    Ideally the Yankees would like to say that with CC, Kuroda and Nova they don’t need a Garza – but based on the fact that CC was awful last year, Kuroda is ancient and faded down the stretch and Nova is as up and down as Oprah’s weight – I think they need a Matt Garza who they can count on for 150 – 200 innings.

  82. Yes You McCann December 19th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Going back to last night’s conversation, Ted Nelson was entirely accurate with his posts.

    While the Yankees farm system is awful, I believe that Ted Nelson was trying to convey that Chad had the preconceived notion that the Yankees system is awful and sought evidence to support that notion. I agree with Ted Nelson on the prospect rankings from different outlets being flawed because they often overrate newly drafted prospects, having not yet had the chance to view the players in a professional system.

  83. Chip December 19th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    yankfan1 December 19th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource 59m

    Which papers are reporting the new Tanaka news? I don’t see it in any of the prominent newspapers.
    ——————

    NY Post had it this morning.

  84. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    brianlopez22 -

    This is not necessarily a fix-at-all-costs proposition… give the FO credit for spending as they did to improve the product. There are still a tremendous number of unknowns in play, all of which have multi-million dollar impacts.

    It’s still very, very early. But at least they have taken steps.

  85. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    I wouldn’t touch ubaldo with a 39.5 foot pole

  86. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    MTU -

    IMO, it’s a matter of time and timing. Gardner is not a long-term answer (sorry to some here) and it is currently not in the FO’s thinking to extend or renew him. Nor will he be given a QO.

    ________________

    Sorry? Apologies accepted. I think everyone here can appreciate a dose of reality even when it stings. I know I’ll get over it.

  87. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Does Gardner have a groupie who rivals igotid88′s ambition for Hughes?

  88. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Steve-

    Almonte does not hit lefties well from what I can see so best for him is as a platoon partner.

    Also only plays a passable D.

    Important thing therefore FWIS is to have a solid replacement in mind for GGBG in Left.

    A Platoon of Soriano/Almonte might work ?

    Wells should have already heard the whoosh of a door closing behind him.

    Ichiro has minimal value in trade. They’d probably have to eat some salary just to move him.

    De Aza would be an excellent GGBG replacement if he could be gotten in trade from the WS.

    They need a BUC, etc.

  89. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Maybe Patrick.

  90. mick December 19th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    ells
    jete
    beltran
    soriano
    tex
    mccann
    reynolds/johnson
    roberts/baker
    gardy

    cervelli ryan

    cc, garza, kuroda, nova. phelps/pineda
    drob, kelley, cabral thornton claiborne betances rodney

  91. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Chip -

    FWIW, and IMO only, I find major flaws in all three of the big FA’s that are on the SP market.

    I would push hard for a trade of whatever assets I had that the market says have value (C, CF, AA-OFers) and if that didn’t satisfy me, I’d look for a one-year bandaid on the FA side.

    Barring all of the above, I’d run with the depth that I had (and the NYY DO have some SP depth… just not as tried and true and some of us would like).

  92. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Cliff Lee.

  93. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Mick-

    Nice. but is that real ?

    ;)

  94. Howler December 19th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    I’ve think Gardner is a good but not great player, but I don’t see him as a long term answer. He’s a piece you trade to get something for, and use a kid to fill his shoes down the line. The difference in the performance isn’t going to be that great. If it doesn’t work out for a year or two it’s not going to be the end of the world, because we’ve already seen the Yankees survive a year + without Gardner.
    I think Jiminez is going to cost too much and the performance is too spotty to bother with.

  95. blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Bret The Hitman says:
    December 19, 2013 at 10:53 am
    Does Gardner have a groupie who rivals igotid88?s ambition for Hughes?

    I don’t think anyone here is Bret Gardners mother

  96. mick December 19th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Nebraska is a must see.
    Not the state, the movie.

  97. Cashmoney December 19th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Wanzie, agree on 3 big FA…or not so big.

  98. jpb173 December 19th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    “Tanaka reportedly staying in Japan”

    This is great news for the Yankees!!! It means that, for this year, the Yankees can concentrate on getting under $189M so that the luxury tax resets. Than next year they can blow away the market by buying 2 or 3 big name pitchers. If they go over the LT threshold next year then the tax is only 17% and doesn’t work its way back up to 50% until after Tex, CC and ARod are off the rolls.

    Thank you, Tanaka and Thank you Rakutan!!!

  99. mick December 19th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Nice. but is that real ?
    ======
    ya mean rodney? he gets no respect.

  100. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Steve-

    Too bad the Davidson thing didn’t pan out for us.

    He would have been a nice get.

    I’m puzzled that Cashman has not been able to do any business with what I see as a desperate KT.

    :(

  101. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    That’s true, igotid88 offered his teet to Hughes, every game, every inning, every pitch and everything in between.

  102. RadioKev December 19th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    blake December 19th, 2013 at 10:52 am
    I wouldn’t touch ubaldo with a 39.5 foot pole
    ————

    Jimenez’s splits from last year:

    April/March: 7.13 ERA
    May: 4.23 ERA
    June: 3.09 ERA
    July: 2.83 ERA
    August: 3.10 ERA
    Sep/Oct: 1.09 ERA

    In the past I have argued against trading for Jimenez, but if it’s just money, I’d roll the dice. If the contract goes belly up, dump him. He’s got more upside than Garza.

  103. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    MTU -

    Almonte’s not a HOF, but is, as described.. serviceable. And, no, you’re not going to waste a platoon partner with him… he is what he is. But what he is, is okay. LHP pitch roughly 1/3 of the time, so if you’re willing to deal with paying 20M/year to a guy who is horrid at hitting lefties, I guess you can deal with paying a guy 600k/year to do the same.

  104. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Agree RadioKev. Ubaldo has the most upside out there. The risk is high but the upside, enticing. His most recent trend from the 2nd half is compelling. He’s a bullpen burner but he can have that one or two big playoff starts like Burnett and all will be forgiven.

  105. Polonia December 19th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Hi read a lot of comments comparing or wondering about the Cuba situation in the previous thread. I’ve been there twice. Once on official tour with requisite government propaganda. Second time on my own staying with a Cuban friends family living as a typical Cuban does. So I have a bit of perspective. I would say most Cubans including the baseball players leave the island for economic reasons. A few for political or professional reasons. Though some baseball players maybe do it because of a desire to challenge their skills on the highest level. Extreme poverty is not rampant there but most people live something equivalent to being just on the positive side of the poverty line in the USA. So it’s a big difference between that and a millionaire salary. Baseball has a great history there. The Industriales, often called the Yankees of Cuba, has a history that dates back to the late 1800s. The current league dates to the early 1990s and is officially an amateur league. There are about 15 teams throughout the country. The people are completely in love with baseball in a way the states hasn’t been for a couple generations at least. The government’s rules are changing fast right now but usually if you leave the country without permission you are barred from returning for some number of years so it is a big decision to leave as you will not see your family for some in-determinant time. Also high profile defectors like baseball players and political dissenters stand to have their families harassed back home by the authorities. This happened to el Duque’s family and probably happens to most other players who leave. So basically, the situation in Cuba doesn’t compare at all to Tanaka’s situation or that of any other international ball player.

  106. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    steve-

    That would be true if Choo were the only option but he’s not.

    I just gave you a very viable one.

    ;)

  107. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Hi Polonia – Thanks for sharing, it’s much appreciated.

  108. Patrick December 19th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Can’t Rakuten just post Tanaka next year? If they can, this makes a lot of sense. He is a big draw and they could win another championship in 2014. They gain the profits from another big year then still get the $20 million in 2015.

  109. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Polonia-

    I want one of those classic Chevy’s instead.

    ;)

  110. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    igotid88 – Phil Hughes
    Patrick – Brett Gardner
    Jerkface + Patrick (tie) – Alex Rodriguez

  111. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Colby Rasmus is a free agent next year. We can get his dad to post on here.

  112. Patrick December 19th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Yeah well Brett Gardner is a pretty good player.

  113. wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    MTU -

    I used Choo as an example only because he was real. Wouldn’t have been my first choice and I think it would have been a poor use of resources. I like the direction that the roster has taken.

    Not finished, to be sure.

    Tweaking needs to be done over the next couple of months.

  114. Polonia December 19th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Those classic chevy’s are disappearing fast. Hard to keep cars running for 60-70 years. But they have have great ingenuity and skill at making parts and curbside engineering. Some of them are just stunning.

  115. blake December 19th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Of course the situation in Cuba is to the same as Japan….I was merely making a point as to why players that leave there are allowed to become free agents when they left their countries illegally

  116. Cashmoney December 19th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    look, if you are worrying about where the next meal come from, politics becomes secondary. It’s something most Americans still have a hard time to digest, look no further than Vietnam.
    don’t mean to get political.

  117. blake December 19th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Isn’t the same **

  118. AAA December 19th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Can’t Rakuten just post Tanaka next year?

    ======================

    Yes, they can.

  119. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Patrick December 19th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Can’t Rakuten just post Tanaka next year? If they can, this makes a lot of sense. He is a big draw and they could win another championship in 2014. They gain the profits from another big year then still get the $20 million in 2015.

    —————–

    Yeah.

  120. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    De Aza made a little over 2 mil last year. He’s arb eligible for 2 more yrs.

    Here’s his stat sheet :

    http://www.baseball-reference......al01.shtml

    He’s a real decent fielder.

    He becomes available because of the Eaton signing.

    Supposedly it’s either him or Viciedo available.

    I try to persuade the WS it’s him with a BUC , +

    Then I can move either him or GGBG in trade.

    ;)

  121. Polonia December 19th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    I speculate that the reason they are free agents is that they are technically amateurs and we’re not under any form of contract. We saw recently one player faking his age because if they are young enough they are actually subject to the amateur draft. (Correct me if I’m wrong on any of that, but that’s my thoughts on it)

  122. Patrick December 19th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Yes, they can.

    This is probably a smart move for them then. They are the reigning champs of the Japan Series and probably have a good chance to win it again with Tanaka. Then just post him next offseason, win-win. The only bad thing is, it kind of makes the team owner look like an idiot after he said that he would respect the player’s request to post him if that’s what he wanted.

  123. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    blake December 19th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Of course the situation in Cuba is to the same as Japan….I was merely making a point as to why players that leave there are allowed to become free agents when they left their countries illegally

    ————

    Because there’s no agreement between MLB and Cuba. MLB isn’t breaking any rules or laws.. the individuals are breaking Cuban law and MLB just isn’t turning them back.

    If MLB can actually participate in rule-breaking if they sign Tanaka by a circumvention of the system checks and balances.

  124. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Steve-

    Yup. Definitely some more tweaking needed.

    I’d say we need at least 1 more major part though. But that’s just me.

    ;)

  125. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    That should read: MLB can actually participate in…

    Not ‘if’ lol.

  126. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    polonia-

    Yes they are.

    ;)

  127. mick December 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Baker and Roberts 2B platoon Wanzies?
    Still on…?

  128. UpState December 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    What the heck is this with the ‘teets’ ?

    Another Japaneses team ?

  129. luis December 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Good morning still,

    A few thoughts:

    1) If Tanaka is not posted, that´s a big hit, no matter how you slice it…I wouldn´t give a contract to either Garza and Ubaldo…I agree with MG in this case, we have plenty of depth, let´s give it a try… As I have said before, I don´t think our rotation situation is not as dire as some believe…Here is why: We have a solid 1,2,3 in CC, Kuroda and Nova…CC will not have 0,3 WAR year again…Kuroda if treated with care will not tank…And Nova will be the ace by the end of the season…On the back end, I think Phelps will do just fine on the 4th spot…The other spot you give it to Pineda/Nuno/Turley/Banuelos at some point or Warren or Marshall. Could it be better?, you bet…But that´s a solid rotation… They would need to get extra help for the pen though, but even if they don´t, I think Girardi is very good at building a pen.

    2) They might trade for Bailey, which I think it could be plan B…

  130. Patrick December 19th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Look on the bright side, if Tanaka was posted (and frankly, he still might be because this report doesn’t seem all that reliable) the Yankees would inevitably NOT sign him in an effort to stay under 189 and we would all be really sad. Now we can look back after missing the playoffs in 2014 and say “Gee if only Tanaka was posted we would have made it!” Good excuse, so that we don’t have to blame the Yankees.

  131. jpb173 December 19th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Patrick December 19th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Can’t Rakuten just post Tanaka next year? If they can, this makes a lot of sense. He is a big draw and they could win another championship in 2014. They gain the profits from another big year then still get the $20 million in 2015.

    ==============================================

    Yes they can!!! And if the Yankees stay under $189M this year the luxury tax resets and they won’t be penalized as much for giving Tanaka a whopper of a contract.

    By the way, there must be ways for the Yankees to reward Rakutan for pushing the posting back one year. Couldn’t they buy the merchant rights from Rakutan the sell Golden Eagle apparel at the NYS. How about a 5 year deal where the Yankees purchase the exclusive rights to War Eagle merchandise for, oh say, $20 million. Yanks might not sell too much of the merchandise but they’ll have Tanaka on the mound every 5th day.

  132. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    UpState December 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    What the heck is this with the ‘teets’ ?

    ———————–

    Bahahahaha…

  133. UpState December 19th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    *Japanese

  134. blake December 19th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    “Because there’s no agreement between MLB and Cuba. MLB isn’t breaking any rules or laws.. the individuals are breaking Cuban law and MLB just isn’t turning them back.”

    Yes….again I was discussing it as a hypothetical if there was no agreement between MLB and Japan

  135. blake December 19th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Ubaldo could show up in march out of whack with his motion and be awful all season

  136. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Luis-

    Good morning Hombre.

    I have shared much of your optimism in the past regarding some of our SP, i.e. Nova, phelps.

    But I think you are building in too much risk this time round.

    Still it might work. But I’m not as comfortable with it at the moment.

    Me. I prefer more insurance in the form of a mid-rotation SP.

    Hope you are staying off the radar down there.

    Stay safe amigo.

    :)

  137. Patrick December 19th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    By the way, there must be ways for the Yankees to reward Rakutan for pushing the posting back one year.

    I don’t think the Yankees will be pleased by this news though. Getting Tanaka probably pushes this team from a fringe playoff contender into one of the top 3 teams in the league. Maybe they will be able to stay under 189 but I doubt they make the playoffs as currently constituted. And I think missing the playoffs again is more harmful than going over 189.

  138. blake December 19th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: ICYMI: Are #Mariners out of money? And if so, what is their plan? Updating with Jack Z comments on #MLBNHotStove: http://t.co/BgtQQnN0OG

    Lol

  139. comet December 19th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Radio report this morning says Tanaka’s Japanese employers prepared to double or triple his salary to keep him.

  140. UpState December 19th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Jeff Karstans was mentioned yesterday.
    FA.
    Only pitched 7 innings in 2013.
    How damaged is he ?

    Very ‘midland’ at his best; with a decent WHIP for his past 2011 & 2012 seasons.
    NL.

  141. blake December 19th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    @VernonWells10: In other, not so important news, I’ll be wearing #19 #BreakingNews #Not

    You might be Vern

  142. luis December 19th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Cashmoney December 19th, 2013 at 11:12 am
    look, if you are worrying about where the next meal come from, politics becomes secondary. It’s something most Americans still have a hard time to digest, look no further than Vietnam.
    don’t mean to get political.

    =============================

    Exactly…They are applying the same model in Venezuela but in a much subtle way…When you spend the day doing lines for food, you don´t worry about much else…Women in Cuba sell their bodies for jeans, sanitary toilets and many other things that you guys take for granted…The worst one being that you have no chance at actually improving your way of life, no matter how hard you try, unless you have government connections…There is a reason that those people try to cross the sea in improvised rafts to get to Florida risking their lifes…They have nothing to lose…They have become slaves of their government

  143. blake December 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    comet says:
    December 19, 2013 at 11:23 am
    Radio report this morning says Tanaka’s Japanese employers prepared to double or triple his salary to keep him.

    It’ll still be way less than he would make in MLB

  144. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    The piggy back rotation:

    CC
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Phelps/Nuno
    Pineda/Warren

    Will it work ???

  145. AAA December 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    This is probably a smart move for them then. They are the reigning champs of the Japan Series and probably have a good chance to win it again with Tanaka. Then just post him next offseason, win-win. The only bad thing is, it kind of makes the team owner look like an idiot after he said that he would respect the player’s request to post him if that’s what he wanted

    =================================

    The owner had the rules changed on him before that commitment, so he probably skates there. In all the ways you suggest, it does make sense. There is the risk of injury to consider though. They’ll have to be careful there, unlike last season where down the stretch they used him like a guy they were preparing to sell for $60 million.

  146. Polonia December 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Yep. The stuff that goes on between Cuba and the USA is all sorts of gray areas. For example any Cuban arriving in the USA is automatically a legal immigrant. That doesn’t happen with any other country in the world. As Shame says it comes down to there being no agreements and the USA government isn’t sending any of these guys back out of respect to Cuban law. The USA-Cuba thing is the last unofficial front of the Cold War.

  147. Chip December 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    On another topic entirely…

    Alex Rodriguez was suspended, he appealed and then his legal team sought remedy in Federal Court because they didn’t like the way things were shaping in the appeal.

    Now he doesn’t like the way things are shaping up in Federal Court and is looking to go to the Manhattan Supreme Court instead:

    http://nypost.com/2013/12/18/c.....ds-cousin/

    “MLB attorneys, in a separate filing, contended A-Rod’s lawsuit should be thrown out altogether, since the matter of his complaint is governed by baseball’s collective bargaining agreement.” Which is 100% correct.

    Alex is venue shopping and trying to wear MLB down – my guess is that it won’t work.

  148. Patrick December 19th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Will it work ???

    No

  149. comet December 19th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Luis I know an old guy who thinks China, Russia and Cuba are the best places in the world. I’m serious.

  150. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Patrick-

    So IYO they must get another experienced 200 inning SP ?

    Who would you prefer if Tanaka is not available ?

    By the way, many have suggested that rotation would be fine.

    I’m not one who agrees either.

  151. luis December 19th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:21 am
    Luis-

    Good morning Hombre.

    I have shared much of your optimism in the past regarding some of our SP, i.e. Nova, phelps.

    But I think you are building in too much risk this time round.

    Still it might work. But I’m not as comfortable with it at the moment.

    Me. I prefer more insurance in the form of a mid-rotation SP.

    Hope you are staying off the radar down there.

    Stay safe amigo.

    ================================

    I would too…All I am saying is that even without Tanaka their are not in a bad position…Could it be better?, yeah..But >I wouldn´t give the amount of Dollars it would take to bring either Garza or Ubaldo…The only pitchers I would trade for are Hammels and Bailey, but it would depend on what talent we would have to give up.

    About staying safe…The opposition and the government had a meeting yesterday..Perhaps this is the beginning of a shift…They realized that they won´t be able to survive without a deal

  152. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Comet-

    And some people think dirt sandwiches are tasty.

    :)

  153. comet December 19th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    I think the Yankees believe that ARod will at least be suspended for all of 2014. Of course they can not say that. So when you guys are calculating how close they are to $189 take out ARod. The Yankees are.

  154. luis December 19th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    comet December 19th, 2013 at 11:28 am
    Luis I know an old guy who thinks China, Russia and Cuba are the best places in the world. I’m serious.

    ====================

    There must be something wrong with that guy..Seriously

  155. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Best of luck to you Luis.

    What an absolute cluster f*ck you have going on down there.

    It’s a pity that such a well endowed country should be brought to it’s knees by someone so clueless.

    :(

  156. JCPD December 19th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    MTU, here you go, coming to a mail box near you…. :-)

    https://picasaweb.google.com/105244848673673377679/December192013?authkey=Gv1sRgCLCw0__D8cOWYw

  157. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    I’m fascinated by Cuba’s shift to permaculture after the fall of the Soviet Union and the scarcity of oil imports that followed. Cuba has been able to boost agricultural production without high reliance on fossil fuels. Of course here in the U.S. food prices are skyrocketing because for every 1 unit of energy we get from food, we invest 10 units in fossil fuels. As peak oil production falls and oil gets more expensive to harvest, food follows. Cuba is supposedly a paradise of forest gardens where you have trees left in place to retain moisture in the soil and you plant layers of different crops at different heights to return nutrients to the soil. All you have to do is plant and harvest and the plots are more productive than monoculture plots.

  158. Patrick December 19th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    The owner had the rules changed on him before that commitment, so he probably skates there.

    This is not the case as far as we know. There were reports last week that if Tanaka wanted to come to the States they would let him.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....ro-tanaka/

    I also seem to remember some interview with Hiroshi Mikitani even earlier than that where he said that if Tanaka has a passion to pitch in the major leagues they would allow him to go. I can’t find the source on that however.

  159. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Jim-

    That is very kind of you.

    :)

  160. brianlopez22 December 19th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    wanzies –

    No Doubt.
    I do give them credit for their plan.

    I was just stating my opinion that they had a goal in place and 2 of 3 major pieces did not fall their way.

    Now, they are looking for plans B,C, and D.

    However, I believe this latest blow essentially solidifies the 189 situation.
    The worst thing that could happen now is ARod is allowed to play in 2014.

  161. bbb51 December 19th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    UpState December 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    What the heck is this with the ‘teets’ ?

    Teets are messages from titter.com.

  162. luis December 19th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    I have been to Russia and China…They have improved their way of life exponentially in the past two decades… But they don´t understand the concept of personal liberty.. In fact, in the case of China, they are using Capitalism to basically conquer the world… And the West is falling for the trap like lambs

  163. PhiltheThrill December 19th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    I still think he’ll be posted.

  164. Patrick December 19th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Patrick-

    So IYO they must get another experienced 200 inning SP ?

    Who would you prefer if Tanaka is not available ?

    By the way, many have suggested that rotation would be fine.

    I’m not one who agrees either.

    Yes I believe the Yankees need a middle of the rotation starter, or better, to be a legitimate playoff team. I don’t like many of the options if Tanaka is not available but personally I’d pick Ubaldo Jimenez of the “big” 3 free agent pitchers. I don’t think many people agree with my opinion on this but I think Jimenez is a better gamble than Garza or Santana.

  165. comet December 19th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    MTU he lives in fantasy world and truly believes that the US is evil while the USSR and China and Cuba are beacons of light. Try and reason with him and he’ll call it US propaganda. He is an American citizen and lives the US. I’ve suggested he try life in one of his ideal countries.

  166. UpState December 19th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    bbb51 December 19th, 2013 at 11:37 am
    UpState December 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    What the heck is this with the ‘teets’ ?

    Teets are messages from titter.com.
    ===================================

    Video available ?

  167. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Thanks for your take Patrick.

    I have different preferences but I agree the need is there.

  168. comet December 19th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Luis agree with you totally about China. We are lambs being led to the slaughter.

  169. luis December 19th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Brett,

    Cuba doesn´t produce anything…If Venezuela chose to cut the oil supply for free (100.000 barrels) that they triangulate afterwards to get hard currency, they would starve to death…That´s why they have close to 35.000 Cubans in Venezuela…Don´t be fooled by the propaganda…They are a failed state as much as Venezuela will be

    Another misconception you have is that at some point Oil supplies will run out…Well guess what…There is Oil at least for the next 600 years, with population growth included

  170. comet December 19th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    I don’t think any of those three you mention Patrick would well in the AL East.

  171. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Comet-

    Yes. That sounds exactly like what he should do since he seems to love them so much.

    Really. He’d be much happier there.

    I wonder what will happen when he voices an anti-gov’t remark like he did w you in one of those places.

    ;)

  172. Polonia December 19th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Bret, visited a Cuban farm on my official tour. I was impressed by their methods and what they can achieve, but other policies of the government means unfortunately that there is still a lot of food insecurity for the average Cuban.

  173. Polyanna December 19th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    luis,

    I have a legitimate question for you.

  174. Polyanna December 19th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    luis,

    If his name was Robert Canford III, from a wealthy family in North Dakota, rather than Robinson Cano from the Dominican Republic, would you feel as strongly about him as you do?

    I firmly believe that your passion for Cano stems from him being of your heritage.

  175. AAA December 19th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Certainly, I could be mistaken on the timing of ownerships comments re: Tanaka. I think what is obvious though is that this went a no brainer to something they had to deliberate on once the posting system was changed.

  176. luis December 19th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Polyanna December 19th, 2013 at 11:45 am
    luis,

    I have a legitimate question for you.

    ================

    Shoot

  177. Polonia December 19th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Luis also has a point. The wealth of Venezuela is doing a lot to prop up the Cuban regime at this point.

  178. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    luis-

    You think tin pot dictator is genetic.

    Maybe a recessive gene or something, eh ?

    :)

  179. blake December 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    If Texas would deal Ogando for Gardner would you do it

  180. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Luis,

    The amount of oil remaining is not the issue. The issue is the location of the oil. It’s the bottom of the barrel, the stuff that’s expensive to get to. That’s why food prices are skyrocketing.

    The propaganda is that oil production is necessary for sustenance. The truth is permaculture is a sustainable way to grow food, without having to add petroleum based chemicals to fertilize the soil artificially and without having to dump chemicals on our food to kill bugs.

    The problem with insect invasions is if you feed certain insects their favorite food year round in a monoculture crop (usually corn wheat or soybeans), naturally they proliferate out of control as they feast. You have to diversify to interrupt their life cycles. Introduce different foods at different points in the year that they don’t like.

    This was the downfall of Mayan civilization – monoculture crops (corn). You can only extract so many nutrients from the soil without returning them before it’s depleted, the crops immune systems weaken and insects invade.

  181. Baby Ruth December 19th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Happy Holidays LoHudders ! ! !

    Tanaka out ?

    Dumpster diving on the horizon ?

  182. blake December 19th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    @jonmorosi: Rakuten is “still undecided” about whether to post Masahiro Tanaka, according to a Sponichi report posted via Yakyubaka about 2 hours ago.

    They are just hoping tanaka changes his mind

  183. luis December 19th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Polyanna December 19th, 2013 at 11:46 am
    luis,

    If his name was Robert Canford III, from a wealthy family in North Dakota, rather than Robinson Cano from the Dominican Republic, would you feel as strongly about him as you do?

    I firmly believe that your passion for Cano stems from him being of your heritage.

    =============================
    LMAO!!! This is very funny…Well let me tell you, we are not from the same heritage… I just appreciate talent regardless of race, color or creed…

  184. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Anway, back to pitching.

    Let’s shore up our rotation.

    Would love for it to be a Bailey or even a Tanaka but if they aren’t available let’s find someone else good.

    We tried two inexperienced SP in the same rotation once before. In 2008.

    It lead to disaster. Let’s not make that same mistake again.

    One at a time only please. Thru the 5 slot.

  185. Polyanna December 19th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    luis,

    My sincerest apologies. With the name luis, I ASSumed you were of the same heritage as Cano. Thank you for taking the time to respond.

  186. MTU December 19th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    I have to go soon.

    Man it’s been fun getting back on line.

    I really missed visiting here.

    :)

  187. blake December 19th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    @jonmorosi: Plot thickens. Yakyubaka: “According to Tokyo Sports, someone with Rakuten Eagles received [a] self-introductory e-mail from Scott Boras.”

    Heh heh

  188. Baby Ruth December 19th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Man it’s been fun getting back on line.

    I really missed visiting here.

    ===========

    Where ya been at ?

  189. Howler December 19th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    MTU has a been partying with a cougar…the 4 legged type…they crashed his internet and he’s had a hard time getting it back up…the cougar is really lousy at IT, so they had to call in the gopher who’s the resident expert in the area.

  190. pkyankfan69 December 19th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Tanaka should hire me as his agent… I can get him $130M and I’ll do it for only 3% commish… I’ll have to send an introductory letter of my own.

  191. Baby Ruth December 19th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    WTF ? 2 legged couger wuda been better !! :)

  192. DaSaint007 December 19th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Luis,

    Love your optimism, and I generally agree.

    I’m surprised at the shock by so many at the developments regarding Tanaka. It’s a business decision. Once that posting fee was virtually eliminated, it disincentivised the Japanese team(s) with the better athletes from doing so. ‘up to $20M’ is nothing compared to the previous agreement.

    Regardless, for those who think the Yankees have been sitting on their collective arses:
    McCann – best C on the market – signed
    Ellsbury – best CF on the market – signed
    Kuroda – arguably one of the most reliable commodities in the SP market – re-signed
    Beltran – arguably one of the better RF/DH on the market – signed
    Ryan/Johnson – Insurance for 3B/2B – makes sense

    The team is better, more balanced, and overall more talented. PLUS within ‘budget’.
    Now had Tanaka been posted (and who knows, he may yet) – the opportunity is there to bid on him, but if not, or if they lose out – Garza and Santana are still available, and personally I’d do both.

  193. blake December 19th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Hello,
    My name is Scott Boras. Would you like to make a lot of money playing baseball? I can show you how

  194. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    The Cubans are pioneer permaculture farmers. That is not propaganda. That is fact.

    Me myself I’m eyeing 2.5 acres of wooded area. That’s enough land, if I leave the trees, to produce enough food to feed 20 people. I’m aiming for nut trees and dates as my main calorie producers. I might do apples as well because they grow well here. The smaller stuff along the lowest height can vary according to taste. For meat, quail eggs, quail, chicken eggs, chickens and rabbits. The quail are workers. They eat bugs and both birds drop phosphates onto the soil when they poop.

  195. Cashmoney December 19th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Boras is like NASA, putting one astronaut on respective MLB team spaceship at a time, well… sometimes two.

    Yanks got room for 4 more, Mets 6 more! Astro, 1/2.

  196. J. Alfred Prufrock December 19th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    wanzies222 December 19th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    MTU -

    Almonte’s not a HOF, but is, as described.. serviceable. And, no, you’re not going to waste a platoon partner with him… he is what he is. But what he is, is okay. LHP pitch roughly 1/3 of the time, so if you’re willing to deal with paying 20M/year to a guy who is horrid at hitting lefties, I guess you can deal with paying a guy 600k/year to do the same.
    ///

    I’m not buying the “he is what he is” hand wave of Almonte. He’s 24, not 34. He may, however, stagnate and become another self-fulfilling prophecy on the part of the Yankees if he doesn’t get decent PT; he’s already a good left-handed hitter with power and there’s more where that came from – he needs to play. As far as hitting RH, SH take time to develop two sets of reliable swing mechanics from both sides, and he’s not going to really improve as a platoon player. Am I suggesting he should also face LHP? Well, whether I consider the Yankees’ best interests served in trying to “win now,” vs. development on the job doesn’t matter; we know he will get no ABs vs. LHP and with the crowded OF (and LHB), I don’t even expect to see him get many PAs vs. RHP.

    Almonte, isolated from Yankee needs and concerns, has some upside. He’s a pretty good two-strike hitter and has a Melky knack for hitting with RISP and a similar propensity for poking the ball to the opposite field and up the middle. Melky is, in fact, my comp for Zoilo (latter has more power) and Cabrera took development time but had a discernable hit tool all the while. Zoilo is similar (with more power but also more susceptibility to curveball, which never troubled Cabrera).

    If the Yankees had any interest in cultivating a young OF in the present, they have one that could pay off, but they project (and IMO under rate) him as “a fourth OF” (man, the Melky comparison plays again, here), so for me, it’s a case of poor self scouting and low expectations and a Yankee-like dread in allowing youngsters to develop on the job.

    They did give him some decent PT last season, but he had the misfortune to get hurt. You’d have thought, though, that what he did for a stretch there, and how he’d progressed both at Trenton, and in SWB (where he apparently made adjustments in his defensive game), they’d have been encouraged enough to consider him for a starting job in 2014.

    But that’s not how these Cashman Yankees roll.

    He won’t progress if he doesn’t get to play. But “what he is” is an x-factor young player with his prime in front of him, who, given a patient organization, may become a decent and even above average everyday player.

  197. Cashmoney December 19th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Bret, reads like you got you own bio-eco system going there, room for a Llama?

  198. Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Nope, just my dog to chase away the squirrels and protect the nut trees. I may hire a goat to break down brush and add a coat of manure fertilizer to the premises.

  199. Baby Ruth December 19th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 19th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    How’s that relate to baseball ? Cubans ?


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