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Beltran: “I used to look up to this organization”

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Carlos Beltran

It seems like we hear this from guys all of the time after they sign lucrative deals with the Yankees, but apparently, Carlos Beltran has always dreamed of wearing the pinstripes.

“I grew up being a Yankee fan. I grew up being a Bernie Williams fan,” Beltran said at today’s introductory press conference. “As a player, and first of all as a fan, I used to look up to this organization. They always did what it takes to put good teams out there and win championships. This team has more championships than any sports team in history, so as a player, you always want to join an organization where you’re going to have an opportunity and a chance to win a championship. In my case, last year, I was fortunate to go to my first World Series in my 15-year career. I just hope in the time that I’m going to be here, that I experience that.”

Beltran may be more believable than most because eight years ago, he almost became a Yankee. It wasn’t a big secret that Beltran — who was in the prime of his career and was considered to be the top free agent outfielder on the market — preferred the Yankees over the cross-town rival Mets, but in a display of rare restraint, the Yankees wouldn’t budge to match the Mets heftier offer.

He ended up signing with the Mets, where he had plenty of ups (at least 27 homers and 112 RBI in each season from 2006-08) and a few notable downs (an infamous strikeout against Adam Wainwright and Cardinals to eliminate the Mets in Game 7 of the ’06 NLCS, as well as some injury issues in ’09 and ’10). But now, after two very successful seasons with the St. Louis Cardinals, Beltran is finally joining the Yankees for what could very well be the final three seasons of his career.

“Having the opportunity to come back (to New York) as a Yankee really means a lot to me,” Beltran said. “At one point, I almost got the opportunity to sign with the Yankees. It didn’t work out, but at the end of the day, what’s in the past is in the past.”

• Most the things that Beltran said today were predictable, but he did express the fact that there is some bad blood between him and the Mets. He seemed to be upset by some of the leaks that came out during his time there, saying that they portrayed him as a “bad apple” and claiming that, “It wasn’t right.” For the most part, Beltran handles himself with professionalism, but I don’t see the point of him making those comments. It’s very believable that the Mets might not have handled everything well, but why discuss it? He should have known that the New York media was going to make it into a big deal.

• Getting back to the baseball side of things, both Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi spoke about the depth and versatility that this year’s lineup should have. They lost one of the best hitters on the planet in Robinson Cano, but they have added three All-Stars in Beltran, Brian McCann and Jacoby Ellsbury. If Derek Jeter and Mark Teixeira can stay healthy — big ifs, I know — then the Yankees’ offense should be significantly better than it was last season. “To be able to add another switch-hitter to the middle of the order gives me so much flexibility,” Girardi said. “We’ve talked about it – at times, we had trouble scoring runs last year. But our lineup has gotten so much deeper with guys who hit the ball out of the ballpark, get on-base, hit for average and grind out at-bats.”

• The fact that Beltran is a switch-hitter came up often today. Cashman pointed out that switch-hitters have been a staple on each of their championship teams in the past 20 years — whether it was Bernie and Posada in the ’90s, or Tex, Swisher and Posada in ’09. Girardi loves switch-hitters because they help break up the lefties in the lineup, and they should have another on the way once the Brian Roberts signing becomes official. “I think Carlos’ strengths clearly provide Joe Girardi with a lot of flexibility,” Cashman said. “The Yankees, historically since I’ve been here, have had a chance to provide the manager with some great matchups with some switch-hitters in the lineups.”

• Cashman also mentioned a handful of former Mets who went onto have success with the Yankees later in their careers. “George Steinbrenner and his family have had a chance to take some players who have been premier players across town with the Mets, and later in their careers, they’ve come over here to continue their successful run as major league players,” he said. “Those examples, clearly, are David Cone, Dwight Gooden, Darryl Strawberry – to name a few. We look forward to Carlos Beltran, who has been a New Yorker in the past and has had a lot of success and experience in this town in the past, to get reengaged with this city.”

• As I mentioned, Beltran dealt with some injury problems towards the end of his tenure with the Mets. At 36, Beltran is the oldest member of freshly signed trio, and the Yankees are counting on him to maintain his production for the entirety of the three-year, $45 million contract. It’s worth noting that he has been able to stay on the field for at least 142 games in each of the past three seasons, hitting at least 22 homers and knocking in at least 84 runs in each of those years. “There is certainly risk – there’s no doubt about that,” Cashman said. “He has gone to the National League and played right field considerably, where obviously there’s no DH over there. The Cardinals were able to put together a playing program for him where they sat him, at times, and were able to make sure that he stayed on the field. I think that in the Bronx here, as we move forward, we’ll have more of the ability to protect him, and I hope that we have the same results as they’ve had the past two years because of the DH days.”

• Girardi was asked about how he envisions the outfield shaking out. Cashman confirmed that they see Ellsbury and Brett Gardner manning left and center — although he didn’t say who he thinks will play in which spot — and then said it will be up to Girardi to figure out who fits best in right, and how to rotate the DH days. Beltran has played mostly right in recent years, whereas Alfonso Soriano has been predominantly in left. Neither are great defenders at this stage in their careers, but Soriano can be an adventure out there and Beltran seems to have the stronger arm, which makes him the more logical choice to play right. But Girardi noted that Soriano has made it clear to him he prefers to play in the field, so expect to see a lot of shuffling. “I’m going to try and move it around because Sori wants to play the outfield, as well,” Girardi said. “That’s something that I’m going to have to balance. There’s no reason that I couldn’t DH a Gardy one day, or I couldn’t DH an Ellsbury one day. The great thing about having that flexibility is that I can keep them all kind of rested.”

• One of the biggest factors that led to the Yankees wanting to sign Beltran had to be his postseason resume. He brings the reputation as one of the greatest postseason sluggers of all-time, with a career playoff average of .333 to go along with 16 homers and 40 RBI in 51 games. It’s clear that he can handle pressure situations well — the Wainwright strikeout in ’06 notwithstanding — and Girardi said he could tell that he can handle New York simply from how he was with the media today. “I’m extremely excited,” Girardi said. “I just watched how he handled this press conference and how professional he was. We’ve all seen the way that he plays the game, and you can just see that there’s a level of comfort in the spotlight. He does not get rattled with any question that he is asked, and it’s the same way on the field.”

• Interesting nugget that I picked up while listening to Beltran’s interview with WFAN on the ride home. Beltran admitted that he does think about the Hall of Fame, and when asked which team’s cap he would wear if he ever gets selected, he said the Mets would be a definite consideration. He also mentioned the Royals, where he spent the same amount of time — six and a half years — that he did with the Mets. I guess he can’t hate the Mets that much.

• Final word goes to… you guessed it… Beltran: “I know there’s going to be a lot of good things coming out of the New York Yankees. With the signings of Ellsbury, McCann, myself and the players that we have, I believe that we have a good (enough) team to go all the way. We still have to go out there on the field and perform, but most importantly, we feel that we have the players – the characters – to accomplish that.”

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138 Responses to “Beltran: “I used to look up to this organization””

  1. blake December 20th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    “Once again I agree with Blake.
    I’d take the flier on Balfour AND Johan Santana.
    Worst that happens with JS is he can’t pitch and they release him.
    I do NOT want Jimenez, Garza or Santana for even close to what they want.”

    when you will give Youkilis 12 million and Ben Francisco a contract, and Brian Roberts 2 million then Balfour on a 1 year deal should be no problem unless something is like torn and he’s in pain…..if he’s not in pain and will do a 1 year deal then the reward is probably a lot higher than the risk given the current shape of their pen.

  2. Jerkface December 20th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    MLB XM was saying last night that Baltimore is just a very cautious organization with physicals and that the medicals were just that Balfour had surgery in like 2005 or something (or maybe 5 years ago, forget) and wanted to use it as an excuse to reduce the contract.

  3. ac1 December 20th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Good! Go get Balfour, figure out the last starter we need and be done.

  4. bbb51 December 20th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    So the O’s tried to pull a Napoli on Balfour.

  5. blake December 20th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Swoop on Balfour Cash! If he’s in no pain it literally could be nothing

  6. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    I still think Sori and Gardner split LF…Gardner sits against a lot of LH-SPers

  7. Chip December 20th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    From the irrelevancy department – what number is Beltran wearing?

  8. ac1 December 20th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    36

  9. Chip December 20th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    blake December 20th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Swoop on Balfour Cash! If he’s in no pain it literally could be nothing
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    I have no problem signing Balfour – but you do have to remember, the guy wants to close. Not compete to close, but close. So, much like the Drew scenario, if you want to sign Balfour you’re going to have to wait for him to decide that there are no clubs offering him that opportunity that he wants to play for.

  10. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Chip December 20th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    From the irrelevancy department – what number is Beltran wearing?
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    33

  11. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    just a guess

  12. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    ac1 December 20th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
    36
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    +1

  13. pkyankfan69 December 20th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    I still think Sori and Gardner split LF…Gardner sits against a lot of LH-SPers

    Why? (Other than you just hating Gardner for some reason)

    Last 3 years:

    VS lefty – .257/.342/.389/.731
    VS righty – .271/.348/.394/.742

  14. blake December 20th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Well why couldn’t Balfour close ?

  15. Russell Munson December 20th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Don’t worry, Gardner will get plenty of playing time when Ellsbury gets hurt.

  16. Irreverent Discourse December 20th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Robertson is better than Balfour. He really doesn’t get enough credit.

  17. blake December 20th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    @alexspeier: Youkilis’ deal with Rakuten calls for him to earn a $4M base with another $1M in potential incentives http://t.co/cxYJhwmKo3 via @WEEI

    Lol

  18. ac1 December 20th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Robertson should be to close.
    Balfour could be there to back him up and fill in as there will be a lot of close games.

  19. blake December 20th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Irreverent Discourse says:
    December 20, 2013 at 4:50 pm
    Robertson is better than Balfour. He really doesn’t get enough credit.

    Sure but point is that Robertson as a set up guy + Balfour as closer might be better than Robertson as closer + whatever else as set up

  20. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    It’s kinda the like with Soriano….Robertson was really better than him then too but Soriano was a lot better closing than setting up…..Robertson is better than Balfour IMO too….but the goal is to get the best 8/9 tandem you can regardless of who pitches when

  21. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Russell Munson December 20th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    Don’t worry, Gardner will get plenty of playing time when Ellsbury gets hurt.
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    last two years Ells has played in 208 games to Gardners 161….

  22. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    last 3 years Ells 366 to Gardners 320….

  23. Russell Munson December 20th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Wow, Ellsbury’s only missed an average of 58 games a year. That’s worth $22 million.

  24. Ys Guy December 20th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    the met’s took alot of pot shots at beltran, spread alot of rumors about him and totally screwed up his rehab. If Carlos decided today to fire back, good for him.

  25. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    not going back any more that that

  26. Ys Guy December 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    syonara yook!

  27. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Russell Munson December 20th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
    Wow, Ellsbury’s only missed an average of 58 games a year. That’s worth $22 million.
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    you not a Ells fan ?

  28. Jerkface December 20th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    not going back any more that that

    Yea because Ellsbury would miss more time if you did that. Gardner has missed a large amount of time in 1 season because of that injury 2 years ago. Ellsbury misses time every season, missed most of 2010, half of 2012, significant time last year, time in 2008.

  29. Russell Munson December 20th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    “you not a Ells fan ?”

    I’d rather have Cano.

  30. bbb51 December 20th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    joeman December 20th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
    last 3 years Ells 366 to Gardners 320….

    last 4 years Gardner 470, Ellsbury 384.

    i can play that game too.

  31. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Ellsbury costs about 5 times as much as Gardner too so him missing games matters a of more now

  32. Ys Guy December 20th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    i didnt want them to re-sign arod and i didnt want them to sign cano to more than 6 years.

    idk if ill be around in 7 years but i didnt want to see them paying off cano while he’s producing like arod has teh past couple of seasons. (and arod has 4 more to go).

    it would be easy to just say, i like cano and i’ts not my money, but that contract would severely hurt future teams.

    so will ellsbury’s btw, but they had to overpay someone and ells is getting overpaid less for a shorter time.

  33. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    whats a 1.8 war mean

  34. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Jerkface December 20th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
    not going back any more that that

    Yea because Ellsbury would miss more time if you did that.
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    WOW…you know that’s not why

  35. austinmac December 20th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    I heard the talk also about Baltimore’s cautious ways, but I heard on it yesterday Balfour’s velocity significantly dropped at the end of last year. True?

  36. Russell Munson December 20th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    “so will ellsbury’s btw, but they had to overpay someone and ells is getting overpaid less for a shorter time.”

    The problem is they are over-paying a significantly less valuable player while trying to contend with a deeply flawed roster. This team is probably not going to be as good with Ellsbury and Beltran as they would have been with Cano.

  37. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    whats a 3.8 war mean

  38. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    @susanslusser: More Balfour: “My shoulder is fine, everything is fine. I’m ready to come out there in the ninth inning, do what I do.” #Athletics #Orioles

  39. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    @susanslusser: Grant Balfour is mystified by #Orioles backing out of deal because of health concerns, tells me he is “100 percent fine.” #Athletics

    Man that was a pretty good deal for him already….any cheaper and he’s a steal if he’s healthy

  40. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    @susanslusser: Balfour tells me his MRIs, incl R shoulder, are the exact same as they were three years ago. “I’m the All-Star pitcher I was last season.”

  41. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Balfour would be a good sign if healthy..let him and DRob have at it in ST..

  42. Russell Munson December 20th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Balfour’s velocity data by game is here.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....eason=2013

    Doesn’t look like he dropped that much. 93.4 average fastball through the end of August, 93.0 in September.

  43. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Somebody might get a reall bargain here….yanks need bullpen help….Cashman better be on the phone

  44. austinmac December 20th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Russell,

    Thanks for the velocity info. I agree that nothing looks concerning there.

    Cashman, tell Balfour he could really stick it to the O’s as a Yankee. Then, tell him you will pay him to do so.

  45. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Call Balfour and offer him 1/7.5. Same money for one year…..Cashman wastes that much in his sleep ….

  46. pkyankfan69 December 20th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    I don’t care who would close between Drob and Balfour… I just want a few good experienced guys in the back end of the BP.

  47. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Sounds like orioles being weasels and trying to talk the agreed money down…..and Balfour said screw y’all

  48. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    pkyankfan69 says:
    December 20, 2013 at 5:25 pm
    I don’t care who would close between Drob and Balfour… I just want a few good experienced guys in the back end of the BP.

    Exactly…it doesn’t matter

  49. austinmac December 20th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I’d offer him $7.5M for this year and a guaranteed equal amount for the following year if he pitched in 50 games and ended the season healthy.

  50. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    @conradhackett: Alcohol consumption, in one map
    @miles120 http://t.co/EUKQQlBPXM

    Us and Japan drink the same…..Europe drinks all day

  51. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    pkyankfan69 December 20th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
    I don’t care who would close between Drob and Balfour… I just want a few good experienced guys in the back end of the BP.
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    backup is always nice

  52. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    austinmac says:
    December 20, 2013 at 5:27 pm
    I’d offer him $7.5M for this year and a guaranteed equal amount for the following year if he pitched in 50 games and ended the season healthy.

    Cashman was probably planning on wasting this much on ben Francisco’s if he doesn’t use it on Balfour

  53. yankee21 December 20th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    The Yankees need someone to be either an 8th inning guy or a closer if Robertson can’t cut it.
    I’m not saying the answer is Balfour but it has to be someone with a proven resume- and Balfour fits the bill.

    Going into the season losing Mo and not replacing him with an experienced late inning guy is an invitation to disaster. Especially with a team likely to be in a lot of games in which the BP will decide the outcome.

    Relying on Kelly, Claiborne etc.. to pick up the slack is a stupid, risky move.

  54. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    hello Jessie Crain

  55. austinmac December 20th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Yankee21,

    I am in total agreement. To do that is a recipe for disaster. Iffy starting makes the bullpen even more important.

  56. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Get Balfour 1) makes then better 2) puts then over 189

  57. yankee21 December 20th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Robertson was one of the game’s best 8th inning guys over the last 3 years. He is now being given a chance to close, that is fine, it makes sense, give him a shot. But who replaces him?

    Kelley, Claiborne, and any other RP in the Yankees organization has no experience being the set-up guy, it is a need that is shouting out.

    Failure to address this is nothing more than going on the cheap. Let’s see if Hal steps up.

  58. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Two club MDs who have a history with Balfour – and one who examined him today – say his arm is fine. Story: http://t.co/k0YG0CgeRR #Orioles

  59. yankee21 December 20th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    The gutsy move would be to sign someone like a Fernando Rodney- if he’s still available. That’s who I would target.

    If he could agree to not be his typical jack ass self shooting off imaginary arrows into the sky then he can pitch for me. He comes across as a jerk, but he can get batters out.

  60. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    A healthy Balfour and suddenly the pen isn’t as much of a problem…..of course it would put them over 189

  61. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    @jcrasnick: Grant Balfour’s agent, Seth Levinson of ACES, released a statement saying that the pitcher is “completely healthy.” #orioles

  62. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Balfour will discuss with union whether to file a grievance against #Orioles. What two other club MDs say: http://t.co/pWrr74a6zX
     

  63. blake December 20th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    @CJNitkowski: Should be fun watching Balfour get his first save in Baltimore as a Yankee. It’s not like he’s an emotional guy or anything.

  64. Jerkface December 20th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    OTher than Tanaka, Choo, & Drew there isnt really much out there for the Yankees to spend money on and improve the team. May as well pick up Balfour. Why not? If they are really going to go way over 189 if they cant get under it they should sign him. They arent getting under 189.

  65. Captain Clutch December 20th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    It doesn’t seem like the Yanks are going to sign anyone until the Tanaka situation is resolved. Either they will spend a ton with him or nothing without him. If they can get Balfour they definitely should. They need anther good arm at the back of the bullpen in case Robertson can’t handle the 9th inning.

  66. Bo knows December 20th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Just musings

    The play proposed back when was to sign Beltran and trade Swisher for a promising player. Step two was to sign Hunter and trade Granderson for another asset. The Yankees balked at Hunter’s two year contract. History seems to say that with Hunter and Beltran on board the Yankees should be a playoff team and would have a couple of assets that they lack. There would be no need for Ellsbury. And so it goes – penny wise and assets in Rookie ball.

  67. hardwired7 December 20th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Peter Angelos experiences buyer’s remorse, and Balfour gets hosed…for now. He should have a great grievance case.

  68. yankee21 December 20th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Beyond any possible grievance case is the likelihood that BAL will have next to a zero chance of signing any FA pitcher. Zero.

    Potential fits will just ignore Baltimore instead of dealing with Angelos BS tactics in trying to get around a contract.

  69. Bo knows December 20th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    As Joe Posnanski says, “The Yankees have an All Star team, vintage 2006.”

  70. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Bo knows, haven’t seen you around in a while. Driving any new cars used or otherwise?

  71. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    From what I thought I heard/remember, Gillick wasn’t big on, Angelos.

  72. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    I don’t know, maybe the Yanks have so much money, they can constantly buy themselves out of mistakes. Maybe, Ellsbury buries a cool 162.

  73. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Good, Baltimore, one less team to worry about.

  74. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    The Rays should move to Montreal, then we’d have us a real fun division………, add Detroit in there for good measure.

  75. pete2 December 20th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Beltrans post season success won’t be very useful if they don’t make the playoffs. Right now they are a 85 W team, and that’s optimistic.

    The good news is everyone else in the AL East looks worse, especially if the Rays trade Price. Steam projections for the Red Sox show their players collectively being about 16 wins worse than last year due to regression and age related decline. Tigers and A’s also look worse. 90 W could get them a WC spot and then anything can happen, especially if they have an ace like Tanaka is supposed to be. CC and Kuroda unfortunately are no projected to be much more than 3 WAR pitchers next year so won’t take you far in the playoffs without help.

  76. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    pete 2, u didn’t mention my Jays :D ( no worries )

  77. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Get rid of inter-league and wild spots.

  78. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    watch out for freezing rain

  79. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    I’m over in the next yard..look out the window

  80. pete2 December 20th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    jmills, sorry about your Jays, I see no hope for improvement there. I doubt Navarro leads them to the promised land. Maybe if they land Tanaka, but I think the hockey deal has the owners strapped for cash

  81. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    right behind that tree

  82. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Pete2, I agree.

  83. blake December 20th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    @Jim_Duquette: Reds chief doctor Kremchek and Rays doctor both saw no change from MRI in 2011 and one done by O’s recently.

  84. pete2 December 20th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    just occurred to me that Youk will be making what Tanaka made last year for the RE (4 million). Might be a sign Tanaka will be posted.

    Also, Balfours 2nd half decline last year is eerily similar to Pinedas in 2011. While the MRI’s may show no change, they are notoriously unreliable, too many false positives and negatives. Dr Andrews won’t use them except as reference. Balfours insistence of using the MRI’s as evidence that all is well does not pass the sniff test. Buyer beware.

  85. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    joeman, I love you,… despite your Bruins inclinations :D

  86. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
    joeman, I love you,… despite your Bruins inclinations :D
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    the B’s are beat up right now…6 kids up from the minors…

  87. dan l December 20th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    pete2

    “Right now they are a 85 W team, and that’s optimistic.”

    Why do you say this? Last year the Yankees had 2 lineup spots with OPS above 700. Now depending on whether or not Jeter can be a factor every lineup spot will have an OPS well above 700 with many above 750 an a bunch about 800.

    Now you can say the starting pitching is a bit worse but just replacing Hughes improves the rotation greatly. As for the pen they will be fine.

    Right now the Yankees are a post season team.

  88. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Joe, do u have Orr’s bio yet?

  89. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Michael Bublé tonight

  90. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Joeman you are from CT and not a Hartford Whalers fan?

    What’s the matter with you?

  91. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
    Joe, do u have Orr’s bio yet?
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    not yet….. ever see Turk.. The Movie

  92. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Turk loves Orr for helping him.

  93. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    “I used to look up to this organization”

    And now you….look down upon it?

  94. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
    Joeman you are from CT and not a Hartford Whalers fan?

    What’s the matter with you?
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    B’s fan since 1972…those games were crazy…my brother-in-law worked for GE and they had a sky box at the Hartford Civic Center went to every B’s – Whalers game

  95. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s403x403/1044038_199352293553131_1041273750_n.jpg

  96. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    is that a no-no ?

  97. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    The Whalers-Bruins games I went to as a kid, fist fights in the stands every time. My uncle took me. He used to have a produce business and he catered to the players. I have my picture with Ron Francis.

    The best hockey fight I ever saw was Kevin Dineen knock out Gord Kluzak with a straight left fist to the jaw that dropped him. The refs had to use smelling salts to wake up Gordie. And Dineen was like 5′ 6″ 150. Kluzak was HUGE and he was kicking the crap out of Dineen the whole fight until the end. It was in Boston Garden.

  98. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    jmills…check this out

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....e=youtu.be

  99. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
    The Whalers-Bruins games I went to as a kid, fist fights in the stands every time. My uncle took me. He used to have a produce business and he catered to the players. I have my picture with Ron Francis.

    The best hockey fight I ever saw was Kevin Dineen knock out Gord Kluzak with a straight left fist to the jaw that dropped him. The refs had to use smelling salts to wake up Gordie. And Dineen was like 5? 6? 150. Kluzak was HUGE and he was kicking the crap out of Dineen the whole fight until the end. It was in Boston Garden.
    ————————————-
    I do remember that

  100. Ys Guy December 20th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    the last time i went to a hockey game was probably 20 years ago.

    someone on the red wings got slashed deliberately across the face, there was blood everywhere.

    the crowd cheered like mad.

    i left at that point and never looked back at the nhl.

  101. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Go. Dineen!

  102. blake December 20th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Why do you say this? Last year the Yankees had 2 lineup spots with OPS above 700. Now depending on whether or not Jeter can be a factor every lineup spot will have an OPS well above 700 with many above 750 an a bunch about 800.”

    Because while the offense might be better….the rotation and pen are both worse at the moment which pretty much negates any improvement. The good news is they can still fix that w

  103. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Here is a brief snapshot of the Dineen Kluzak fight. Sucks that the whole fight is not here. And you don’t get to see the smelling salts which to me was the best part.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUyvP2w2zlo

  104. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    one more
    //////////////////////////

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chyoR21pVG8

  105. blake December 20th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Is the NHL still a league?

  106. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    blake December 20th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
    Is the NHL still a league?
    —————————————
    NHL playoff time I don’t watch any baseball

  107. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    well just NYY games

  108. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Hockey was huge in CT because of the Whalers. I played in a high school floor hockey league organized by teachers and we were allowed to check!!!!

  109. Ys Guy December 20th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    nhl playoff time, doesnt that run from march till july?

    it takes a while to eliminate the 42 teams that made it.

  110. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Joe, I love , Turk. YS, give the game a greater chance!

  111. blake December 20th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    When are the nhl playoffs?

  112. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    The Whalers had, Blaine effing Stougton!

  113. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    I rememmber the Whalers had a sinner sniper,…Rogers!

  114. Yankee Trader December 20th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Just a short visit. I’m late to the party.

    Joeman- that photo is of you and……..?

    Saw American Hustle today. Terrific Movie an Academy nominee for sure

  115. Ys Guy December 20th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    i was a bobby orr fan growing up, hated the rangers and giaccomin and especially park. i liked eddie westphal too.

    then they expanded to long island and the islanders grabbed westfall and i was all in.

    i remember the isle’s first big win ever, over espozito and the bruins.

    i slept outside the colessium many times for islander’s playoff tickets when i was in HS. watched them beat the rangers in ot, saw them raise the cup.

    but the fans that scream and revel in assault and battery repulse me. it always did, but for some reason i was able to look past it in my youth.

    it took my time in the navy away from any nhl to realize that the thuggery that’s allowed ruins what could otherwise be a beautiful game.

  116. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    There was a fight in my HS hallway where one kid announced “He’s going for the jersey” in the third person and reached over the other kids shoulder, yanked his shirt over his head so his arms were stuck straight forward and proceeded to beat his face.

  117. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    blake, don’t worry about anything hockey, I’ll help you out :)

  118. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    As Mike Bossy is my witness, the Iles are beautiful!

  119. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    blake December 20th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
    When are the nhl playoffs?
    ——————————
    April to june

  120. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    When it gets bad, Wendal Clark restores order.

  121. dan l December 20th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    blake..you are shortsighted. Last year the Yankees were still above league average with quality starts with the pathetic Hughes. CC coming off surgery gave them just 16. Right now with the top three along with whomever pitches in the back end of the rotation they should be able to equal 84 and very likely exceed that total without any new additions.

    Now I am not a big fan of Girardi but he is very predictable with how he puts emphasis on the next season. Last year the Yankees pitching staff was terrible with a 797 Ops against the first batter leading off the inning. This was third worst in the AL last year. I fully expect this to be a lot better this year and the staff is not nearly as poor as many here make it out to be even if all the roles are not defined at this time.

  122. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Tie Domi

  123. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    rtsp://r6—sn-p5qlsu7s.googlevideo.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQmdevByUwsvzRMYJCAkFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYOWmtbK2zNzaUAw=/0/0/0/video.3gp

    Clark!!!

  124. Ys Guy December 20th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    i believe the first islanders game i went to was maybe their 3rd RS home game.

    i got in on the ground floor with those guys.

  125. blake December 20th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    @npbtracker: Tanaka said to be deciding between agents Casey Close, Arn Tellem and Mark Pieper. http://t.co/b7JKXAZQdL

  126. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Colton Orr

  127. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Toronto Sun

  128. blake December 20th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    blake..you are shortsighted. Last year the Yankees were still above league average with quality starts with the pathetic Hughes. CC coming off surgery gave them just 16. Right now with the top three along with whomever pitches in the back end of the rotation they should be able to equal 84 and very likely exceed that total without any new additions.”

    They were extremely fortunate to win 85 games last year…..they probably should have won between 75-80 given the quality they had on the field most of the season……and from that they have lost Pettite and Rivera……so until they replace those guys that can approximate their production it’s hard to believe they are much better than an 85 win club right now. Yes Sabathia could bounce back and that would help a lot but there still isn’t a ton of certainly in at least 3 of the rotation spots….again they still can fix it

  129. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    they played Houston last 4 games in which they ( Hous ) went home before series started

  130. joeman December 20th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    No mater how you slice it the NYY were a .500 team last year

  131. Yankee Trader December 20th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Flyers Stanley Cup win in 1974, 1-0 over the Bruins with Bernie Parent in goal.

    MVP- Kate Smith comes out in darkened arena walking on a red carpet between the Flyers and Bruins and sings her rendition of God Bless America, which was a good luck charm for the Flyers.

    Exciting game.

  132. UpState December 20th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    >>>>>>>> NEXT

  133. jmills December 20th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Ys, Billie Smith was with les Iles from the get go; when they came from 3-0 vs the Flyers in about ’75 only to lose game 7, I was sad.

  134. pete2 December 20th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    dan I wrote “Why do you say this? Last year the Yankees had 2 lineup spots with OPS above 700. Now depending on whether or not Jeter can be a factor every lineup spot will have an OPS well above 700 with many above 750 an a bunch about 800.

    Now you can say the starting pitching is a bit worse but just replacing Hughes improves the rotation greatly. As for the pen they will be fine.”
    ————————————————————————–

    Using Steamer projections they will improve about 10 wins at 7 positions if they are healthy but lost 5 wins with Cano. Starting pitching is about 2 wins worse than last year due to the departure of Pettitte and Hughes (replaced by Phelps and ???), and the bullpen is 1-2 wins worse w/o Rivera and Logan.

    Last year they were a 80 W team that had some luck and won 85, and that luck had more to do with a great bullpen that is now without Logan and Rivera. Thornton is no Logan, although he may be a better LOOGY.

    I think they can compete, but would need to add Drew, Tanaka and Benoit or some equivalents to pick up another 7 wins

  135. Ys Guy December 20th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    so when you say ‘they got lucky and won 85″ what you’re really saying is that the projection was off by at least 5 games, so we’ll just blame that inaccuracy on luck.

  136. Yankee Trader December 20th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Blake

    Weaker pitching, especially the pen, which was very good last season until the last month or so.

    Offense, if healthy should be better at manufacturing runs.

    As things stand now, the other teams in the AL East haven’t exactly improved. The O’s are without their third baseman. The RS have bolstered their BP and not much else. The Jays, pardon me Jmills, are for %#£¥, and the Rays will always be tough because if their pitching and how well they play the shift.

    Still believe, like you, that the Yankees, close or now slightly over the threshold, might as well go all in and fill the remaining holes now, while there are still some decent free agents out there, and if Tanaka does get posted some time after the holidays, make a statement and sign him.
    They’ll make up the lost revenue from the loss in the new CBA, with increased attendance and concession revenues.

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