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Looking for short-term depth: The Triple-A roster as it might be today

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 21, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Taking a stab at a Yankees 25-man roster — based strictly on the players currently under contract — led me to think about who’s next in line for big league jobs. So, why not give the Triple-A roster a shot? Just like with the big league roster I posted earlier today, this isn’t really a prediction, just a look at who could slide into these roles based on who’s currently under contract. It’s more about getting a sense of the Yankees depth rather than trying to guess who will be in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre next season.

Zoilo AlmonteLINEUP
Slade Heathcott CF
Dean Anna 2B
Zoilo Almonte RF
Russ Canzler 1B
J.R. Murphy C
Ronnier Mustelier LF
Austin Romine DH
Corban Joseph 3B
Yamaico Navarro SS

This is assuming Heathcott shows enough in spring training to prove he’s ready to move up to Triple-A after 399 Double-A at-bats last year. If that’s not the case — if the Yankees want him to at least start the year back in Trenton — there are a couple of guys listed below who can play center field. This lineup also assumes that Nunez will be in New York, which seems unlikely. He might be there if the season started tomorrow, but ultimately I expect him to be crowded out. Anna and Romine could go the other way and ultimately earn big league jobs this spring, but again, I’d bet against it right now. It’s also worth noting that the details of the Yankees Triple-A lineup could be subject to change on a day-to-day basis. There are a lot of guys here who will need to play multiple positions in preparation for a potential big league role. Same goes for the guys on the bench. Also, experienced utility infielder Navarro could be traded to a team in Korea. The Yankees will lose some experienced versatility in the deal, but really, the smart money seems to be on Nunez eventually being the Triple-A shortstop anyway.

BENCH
Adonis Garcia OF
Antoan Richardson OF
Addison Maruszak UT
Jose Pirela UT

Every team goes into spring training with more Triple-A possibilities than they really need. Ultimately, the Yankees will probably add even more than this, allowing for the fact that some planned minor leaguers will be needed in the big leagues, and for the fact that a handful of spring injuries are inevitable. That’s my way of saying that a guy like Garcia could and probably should play fairly regularly, even with this mix of players.

Vidal NunoROTATION
Manny Banuelos
Jose Ramirez
Vidal Nuno
Brett Marshall
Nik Turley

Just guessing, but I’d say there’s a good chance the Yankees will have Manny Banuelos open the year down in Florida to avoid the cold weather in his first outings back from Tommy John surgery. That said, the point of this exercise is to get a sense of the Yankees Triple-A depth, and it makes little sense to do that and leave out Banuelos. Also, I’d say there’s a strong chance Shane Greene is going to open the year in Triple-A, having impressed the Yankees with his improved command last season. He made 13 Double-A starts last year and might not have to go back. Also, there’s still the chance that Chase Whitley will be moved out of the bullpen and into the Triple-A rotation; and there’s a chance Michael Pineda will have to return to the minors; and a chance that Ramirez will become a big league bullpen option. Given the uncertainty of the Yankees major league pitching staff, trying to predict a Triple-A pitching staff is kind of absurd, but at least it gives some idea of who’s out there.

BULLPEN
Mark Montgomery
Chase Whitley
David Herndon
Jim Miller
Danny Burawa
Brian Gordon
Fred Lewis

Cesar Cabral is a little bit like Nunez. Based on the Yankees current 40-man roster, he might have a spot in the big leagues. But, eventually, I think he’ll be crowded out and dumped back to Triple-A. So, really, I think he’s more likely to fit here than in New York out of spring training. Preston Claiborne and Dellin Betances could be here as well. Herndon and Miller have returned to the Yankees on minor league deals, and they seem like natural fits on the Triple-A roster assuming they don’t make a surprising charge into the big league mix. There’s really no good way to predict a Triple-A bullpen this time of year, but again, this is primarily a exercise to look at the immediate depth in the Yankees organization. Tommy Kahnle could be in his mix as well if he’s returned from Rule 5 duty with the Rockies. There are plenty of others who could easily slide into this mix, including a handful of potential Triple-A starters.

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171 Responses to “Looking for short-term depth: The Triple-A roster as it might be today”

  1. joeman December 21st, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    here better be a doctor on duty with this lineup….

    KJ as only play 13 games at 3rd base in MLB

    LINEUP
    Jacoby Ellsbury CF
    Brett Gardner LF
    Carlos Beltran RF
    Brian McCann C
    Mark Teixiera 1B
    Alfonso Soriano DH
    Kelly Johnson 3B
    Derek Jeter SS
    Brian Roberts 2B

  2. Captain Clutch December 21st, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Good thing that the Rangers got Choo, now they are definitely out on Tanaka and who knows if Cano can even handle NY. He isn’t a superstar but got paid like one just like Ellsbury. Tanaka will probably come down to Seattle, Cubs, Dodgers and Yanks.

  3. Captain Clutch December 21st, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    I meant if Choo can handle NY

  4. Jetrer December 21st, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    There’s been reports of Navarro leaving to play in Korea, fwiw.

  5. Jetrer December 21st, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Nevermind. Reading the entire article first would have been helpful.

  6. blake December 21st, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Choo 7/130 > Ellsbury 7/153 but Choo wanted Texas and that’s fine.

  7. blake December 21st, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    I would hit Gardner leadoff and Jacoby 3rd vs rhp

  8. AAA December 21st, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    AAA December 21st, 2013 at 1:15 pm
    anyone like Cruz and move Gardner

    =========================

    Those who don’t understand baseball might.
    ——————————
    you must be
    the smart one

    ============================

    Yeah, OK. That response came with undue snark. My apologies.

    I don’t think you can carry 3 defensively deficient outfielders, especially Yankee Stadium, and that’s what Beltran, Cruz and Soriano would leave you with. See a lot more value in Gardner for the Yankees than I do Cruz.

  9. AAA December 21st, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    I would hit Gardner leadoff and Jacoby 3rd vs rhp

    ======================

    Yeah? I don’t think I would. Nothing about Ellsbury says 3 hitter to me.

  10. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    i want ellsbury leading off every game he plays.

  11. blake December 21st, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    “Yeah? I don’t think I would. Nothing about Ellsbury says 3 hitter to me.”

    Doesn’t matter….it lengthens the lineup and gets all your top OBP guys in the top 6.

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Ellsbury
    Beltran
    McCann
    Tex
    Soriano
    Johnson
    Roberts

    To me that just looks longer than having Gardner at the end

  12. Hankflorida December 21st, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    TKR says:
    December 21, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    that above team as of right now would be lucky to be a 87 win team

    Sometimes it is not how good you are but how bad your opponents are. The Yankees have done more to improve their team then their opponents, and barring injuries, the Yankees have enough to get at least to the 2nd Wildcard which means over 90 wins.

  13. yankinvegas December 21st, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    If Tanaka is posted, I would offer 8 years for 136 – 17 million per season. This is a player we have to get.
    25 years old, a potentially dominant starting pitcher. He could anchor our rotation for years to come. If we get lucky with Banuelos and Pineda, the three of them could dominate for the next several seasons

  14. mick December 21st, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Who cares what they look like now, they are far from done, you guys have too much time on your hands ;)

  15. blake December 21st, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Tanaka, Drew, Baker, Balfour. Bring it anybody…..

  16. AAA December 21st, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    If Tanaka is posted, I would offer 8 years for 136 – 17 million per season. This is a player we have to get

    ============================

    He’s got no reason to take more than 6 years and it’ll almost certainly cost more than $17M per season.

  17. mick December 21st, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Ellsbury came here to leadoff , why would he bat 3rd?
    He’s getting on to be driven in.
    Jeter will have to be more patient with him on. Not swing at 1st pitch.

  18. blake December 21st, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Ellsbury will lead off…..just saying what Id do

  19. Triple Short of a Cycle December 21st, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    So Choo chose less money to sign with the Rangers? Remember when players actually wanted to play on the Yankees.

  20. blake December 21st, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    One calculation said with taxes the yanks would have had to go to 147 to match the 130 he’s getting in Texas…..Choo may just not be a Ny personality…..we know Ellsbury can play on he big stage

  21. blake December 21st, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Sign Drew,
    Sign Balfour
    Sign Baker
    Wait for Tanaka

  22. Captain Clutch December 21st, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Cashman has to be involved with Drew to see what it would take to sign him but I think that he will go back to Boston. They desperately need another everyday type player for the infield. It doesn’t seem like they are going to sign anyone until the Tanaka situation is resolved. But it would stink to do all of this with the offense and stop now.

  23. blake December 21st, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Cashman has to be involved with Drew to see what it would take to sign him but I think that he will go back to Boston. They desperately need another everyday type player for the infield. ”

    That’s why it would be awesome to steal him

  24. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    if tanaka’s looking to take a shorter contract so he can cash in later, why not offer him 3/$60.

    but they all want the max guarantee they can get.

  25. DaSaint007 December 21st, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    I think many of us here in NY take for granted the fact that pay has to be higher to accommodate local, state, and federal taxes. Makes sense that NY bound players therefore have to ask for and get more than in other states where there are no local and/or state taxes.

  26. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    drew is probably a torpedo.

  27. blake December 21st, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    December 21, 2013 at 2:38 pm
    drew is probably a torpedo.

    Hopefully

  28. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Balfour is an Australian torpedo.

    :)

  29. Travis Lincoln December 21st, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    With the AAA roster…would Kyle Roller be promoted after slashing .253/.347/.427 during 443 AB with Trenton? I think Zach Nuding will see a lot of time in the AAA bullpen as well this season.

  30. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Has he specifically said he didn’t want to play in NY or was this just a miscue on Boras’ part?

  31. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Choo no longer matters.

    We have bigger fish to fry.

    Or smoke, if you’re Blake or Tom.

    :)

  32. tomingeorgia December 21st, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Hello, Mister MTU,

    As a matter of fact, I just acquired a couple of nice trout, and that’s exactly what I intend to do!

  33. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    i like choo, but the opposition doesnt even have to go to their best lefty when they need to get him out. they can use their 2nd lefty to get him and save the loogy for fielder.

    imo anybody who needs to be ph for in late inning situations doesn’t rate top dollar.

  34. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Tom-

    ESP.

    ;)

  35. AAA December 21st, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Has he specifically said he didn’t want to play in NY or was this just a miscue on Boras’ part?

    ====================

    He did not, but there are indications that Texas was his preferred landing spot.

  36. jpb173 December 21st, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1

    story http://bit.ly/1bYM1wz Choo accepts #Rangers 7-yr offer after saying no to #Yankees. What it might mean for Tanaka

    ================================================

    This probably means that the Rangers accept that Tanaka will not be posted this year. It would make sense that Tanaka would probably want to play with Yu Darvish in Tex but that won’t happen this year.

  37. Triple Short of a Cycle December 21st, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    He did not, but there are indications that Texas was his preferred landing spot.

    ——————————-

    Outside of Beltran does a player ever say that about NY?

  38. austinmac December 21st, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Triple,

    Win a championship or at least come close and a team will be popular. The Yankees had a bad year and questions about the immediate future. I don’t think it is more than that.

  39. comet December 21st, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    You can be assured that even if the athlete doesn’t look at taxes their agents do. It would be negligent to do otherwise.

  40. tomingeorgia December 21st, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Hope you guys up north and in the midlands get through this coming storm OK. Having an effect on us, too. Very weird weather going on. It’s 77 right now, going to 80 tomorrow with a forecast of three inches of rain Sunday and Monday.

    I love reading everyone’s comments on the possibilities during the hot stove league. The fact that I don’t know a lot about most of the players being discussed, and the additional facts that I have rarely seen any of them play, and that I’m also not going to look up stats for any of them, leads me to be quiet in these discussions. But keep it up, guys!

  41. tomingeorgia December 21st, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    PS, I don’t emerge from the blog necessarily enlightened, but thoroughly entertained.

  42. AAA December 21st, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Outside of Beltran does a player ever say that about NY?

    ==========================

    Teixeira pretty much did. Not sure it matters though. It’s always about the contract 1st, IMO. Choo doesn’t go Texas for 5/$90M. Teixeira doesn’t come to NYY until he uses Boston to get the number he wanted from the Yankees. Beltran doesn’t come without getting that 3rd year that the Yankees didn’t want to give.

  43. shaistyone December 21st, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    No Venditte in the AAA bullpen?

  44. blake December 21st, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    @Joelsherman1: story http://t.co/fAaZ2iHtp4 Choo accepts #Rangers 7-yr offer after saying no to #Yankees. What it might mean for Tanaka

    Sherman still talking Bailey for Gardner here…..Id more more hesitant to do that with Choo off the table.

    Id rather just wait and sign Tanaka…..of course if tanaka isn’t posted then that throws a wrench in things. Just don’t think they can count on Soriano to play every day…..you trade Gardner then Ichiro has to play a lot more Id think

  45. AAA December 21st, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    No Venditte in the AAA bullpen?

    ======================

    Is he a minor league free agent?

  46. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    generally true, but didnt kc offer beltran a 4th year? thats pretty significant especially considering that KC won more games than the yankees last season.

  47. AAA December 21st, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    generally true, but didnt kc offer beltran a 4th year? thats pretty significant especially considering that KC won more games than the yankees last season.

    ============================

    No, they supposedly topped out at 3/$48M. They went 4 on Infante.

  48. DaSaint007 December 21st, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Triple A depth is decent, as is overall progress this off-season.

    McCann, Ellsbury, Beltran, and Kuroda are good signings. I’d give Cash a B- thus far.
    Add an experienced setup/closer type to the pen, and maybe even an B+
    Win the bid on Tanaka, and he gets upgraded to an A.

    Never really expected Choo in pinstripes anyway, always felt it would have been Ellsbury and Granderson, but I’m on with Beltran instead.

  49. Tar December 21st, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    I believe the NY tax angle is somewhat overblown.

    The “extra” added NY tax only comes into play for half of the games. The other half is taxed at the rate for the State that the games are played in. SO yes there is probably additional tax, but some of the figures I see bantered about seem excessive.

    I believe this to be the case, because I know it is for other industries. Maybe an accountant can weigh in on this, and shed some light ( and tell me I’m wrong).

  50. AAA December 21st, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    McCann, Ellsbury, Beltran, and Kuroda are good signings. I’d give Cash a B- thus far

    ===============================

    I’m giving the B- to Hank. Cashman’s F+ player development grade is why they’re on a spending spree. Not a great deal of skill in spending the boss’ money.

  51. AAA December 21st, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Oops! I meant Hal.

  52. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    b- for dropping payroll by $40M, huh, he shoulda held a fire sale and maybe you’d have given him a A+

    (of course they can’t fire sale because nobody will take cc, tex or arod’s contracts)

  53. blake December 21st, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    I’m giving the B- to Hank. Cashman’s F+ player development grade is why they’re on a spending spree. Not a great deal of skill in spending the boss’ money.”

    It’s all related though….winning and losing draft picks begats a worse farm system and a worse farm system begats having to spend more money.

    The yanks never have allowed nature to take it’s course and rebuild…..when you do that you have to keep throwing money at the machine

  54. AAA December 21st, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    b- for dropping payroll by $40M, huh, he shoulda held a fire sale and maybe you’d have given him a A+

    (of course they can’t fire sale because nobody will take cc, tex or arod’s contracts)

    ==============================================

    I see your point. Just can’t see giving any credit to Cashman. I think he’s been decidedly below average. Also don’t think we’re coming anywhere close to $40M in payroll reduction.

  55. blake December 21st, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    As I’ve said in the past I think it’s very difficult to grade Cashman…..because ownership is constantly meddling and going over his head to do things.

  56. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    no question cash and co deserve a failing grade for player development.

    its really hard to judge what to give him as a grade for this offseason, though,, first off because his work in incomplete and also because we have no idea yet what budget constraints were place on him.

    but so far i’d give him a B-.

  57. AAA December 21st, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    The yanks never have allowed nature to take it’s course and rebuild…..when you do that you have to keep throwing money at the machine

    ===============================

    Some truth here. But still, they’ve generally been 5 years between spending sprees. Isn’t 5 years enough to build a contributing farm system? To be clear, I’m not talking about a generational group like Jeter, Pettitte, Mo, etc. Just a system that consistently produces contributors.

  58. blake December 21st, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    “Some truth here. But still, they’ve generally been 5 years between spending sprees. Isn’t 5 years enough to build a contributing farm system? ”

    But they have won during that time…..so they never had any high picks. I’m not saying that you can’t build a good system picking where they have…..but it takes a lot more good fortune. They need to get better but they have had some bad luck as well.

  59. Triple Short of a Cycle December 21st, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Win a championship or at least come close and a team will be popular. The Yankees had a bad year and questions about the immediate future. I don’t think it is more than that.

    ———————————

    Wait so making the playoffs every year but 2 since 1996 and winning the series in 2009 and make it to the ALCS 2 years ago is not enough? Wow tough grader. Also did I miss the Rangers winning a world series recently?

  60. tbone1570 December 21st, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Tar December 21st, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    The “extra” added NY tax only comes into play for half of the games.

    *************************************
    Tar,

    That’s not 100 % correct. If a player has his full time residence in NY, then 100% of his income would be taxable by NY state. Of course, the player is allowed to take a deduction for any taxes paid to another jurisdiction. Remember a few years ago, Jeter had tax issues with NY? NY was claiming he was a full time resident of the sate and Jeter claimed he was a resident of Florida.

  61. UpState December 21st, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    “Some truth here. But still, they’ve generally been 5 years between spending sprees. Isn’t 5 years enough to build a contributing farm system? ”
    =======================================

    No upper ‘slam-dunk’ picks. (no chance at them)

    Injury issues. (way more than expected)

    The big key at the later picks….you truly have to be lucky. (they haven’t)

  62. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    Blake-

    Bailey may already be better than Tanaka will ever be.

    ;)

  63. Tabbert December 21st, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    We might not have the best offense in baseball, but it is good enough to win a championship. It sure is nice to have a lineup of 9 good baseball players. We don’t have to have stars at every position. I have my worries about Johnson and Roberts, but neither of them would be considered a ” black hole” in any lineup in baseball. Focus now has to be on pitching. Lets get that shored up, and I’m starting to feel pretty good about next year.

  64. blake December 21st, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    MTU says:
    December 21, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    Blake-

    Bailey may already be better than Tanaka will ever be.

    Who knows but he’s a rental and you have to give Gardner to get him

  65. tomingeorgia December 21st, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    blake,
    Gardner is a rental, too.

  66. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Blake-

    That is true but Tanaka represents a big question mark, will be more expensive than Bailey by far and is only 2 years younger.

    If Bailey does well I’d bet we could re-sign him for less than Tanaka will get.

    GGBG can be replaced with a guy like De Aza.

    Bailey is a proven stud.

    He is 27 and already has 2 no-no’s to his credit.

    Think about that.

    Everything trending in the right direction w him.

  67. blake December 21st, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Gardner and phelps for Bailey and Phillips. Reds eat 10 million of Phillips salary.

  68. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Blake-

    Click.

    That’s the Reds.

    ;)

  69. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    GGBG and Phelps gets you Bailey.

    That’s all.

  70. blake December 21st, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    December 21, 2013 at 4:16 pm
    blake,
    Gardner is a rental, too.

    Yes but if you just sign Tanaka then you get both players for 2014

  71. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    I would trade GGBG, + for Bailey in a heartbeat.

  72. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    The Yankees don’t get high picks in the draft but they can still acquire top flight talent by trading for them. They just don’t operate that way, sadly. There are different ways to acquire depth. No excuse for the Yanks.

  73. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    @pgammo: Stephen Drew’s decision is awaiting some further Yankee clarity

    And I don’t understand this… is Drew waiting to see if Tanaka is posted? Does that matter?

  74. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    so, prostitution is now legal in canadia?

    hey, where’s jmills?

  75. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Y’s-

    He’s in Nevada at the chicken ranch.

    ;)

  76. jmills December 21st, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    YS, just back home from book stores, yes, I heard the news.

  77. Yankee Trader December 21st, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Just signed on. Blake what’s this trade that the Yankees made with the Reds and Shame, Drew coming to the Yankees?

  78. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Shame-

    That sounds like to me as though Drew wants to be sure of what his role would be.

    Just a guess.

  79. blake December 21st, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    MTU says:
    December 21, 2013 at 4:21 pm
    GGBG and Phelps gets you Bailey.

    That’s all.

    Thats a lot salary relief for them though

  80. blake December 21st, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    If Gammons tweet means anything at least the yanks are considering drew ….which is great

  81. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Blake-

    They want more than salary relief for Phillips IMO.

  82. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    I thought after Drew had a taste of the Sux he would never want to leave ?

    Another urban myth dispelled.

    ;)

  83. jmills December 21st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Funny ( maybe not funny ), I just watched a french film with Juliette Binoche called, Elles. I can’t imagine paying for it, and you really do feel for these young women putting themselves through such a line of work. Its an intelligent film, and I recommend it.

  84. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    The Yanks have reportedly had an offer out to Drew since right after Cano signed. I dunno how much different the role can be from now and then or going forward..they’ve already said Jeter was playing SS, so he’s playing full-ish time at 3B.

  85. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Shame-

    I’ll strap on my DMR (digital mind reader) and get back to you.

    :)

  86. AAA December 21st, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    I thought after Drew had a taste of the Sux he would never want to leave ?

    ================================

    Can’t say it enough. It’s always about the money. Yankees go 3 years, he’ll probably take it.

  87. blake December 21st, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    MTU says:
    December 21, 2013 at 4:31 pm
    Blake-

    They want more than salary relief for Phillips IMO.

    They aren’t getting much though or they would have already dealt him…..

  88. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Lol, not a mind reader, maybe a CPA. Sounds like a money situation to me. I can’t think of what might change his role with the team. Unless they’re trying to trade for a 3B..?

  89. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Blake-

    Then they are going to keep him. They want prospects. They aren’t desperate to move Phillips.

    He is still a very good ballplayer.

    ;)

  90. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    In for a bit…

    Drew has always been in play… his call. He’s the one that opted out last year.

    Finding a deal for Bailey isn’t the issue… finding a way to deal with Phillips is the problem. Reds don’t want to deal Bailey w/o moving Phillips and Phillips wants a sweetener. Not worth it. Bailey is a matter of time. Reds are running out of options. And Hamilton is not a ML hitter. At all. Jocketty won’t give it up, though, til he has to. Doors keep closing for other options for them in CF.

  91. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Shame-

    You don’t “clarify” a monetary offer.

    That is what it is.

    It’s plain.

  92. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Well… if it is about his role I hope they trade for a 3B instead.

  93. Yankee Trader December 21st, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    The Yankees don’t have a need for Phillips anymore.

  94. jmills December 21st, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    On a lighter note, I got my daughter a Sylvia Plath Bell Jar t-shirt if u can believe it. She’s also getting a lovely bound Shaw edition and a nice copy of Plato’s Republic. The little Charlie Brown books are for the stocking.

  95. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Steve-

    I’d give Phillips some Splenda then.

    :)

  96. Yankee Trader December 21st, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Shame

    You can have Placido Polanco for BUPKUS. He’s a third baseman.

  97. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    YT-

    Don’t filch my words.

    :)

  98. UpState December 21st, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Shame Spencer December 21st, 2013 at 4:24 pm
    The Yankees don’t get high picks in the draft but they can still acquire top flight talent by trading for them. They just don’t operate that way, sadly. There are different ways to acquire depth. No excuse for the Yanks.

    ====================================
    Got:

    Pineda
    Campos

    Cannot dislodge (yet)

    Olt
    Franklin
    Ackley
    Gegorious
    Owings
    Seager
    Baez
    Starling

    Gone:

    Davidson

  99. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    MTU -

    Pure and simple, BP is tough to deal with. On many levels. If he’s 22, you put up with some of it. As an overpaid, downward trending 30-something, no thanks.

  100. Yankee Trader December 21st, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Here’s your clarity.

    According to Peter Gammons, Stephen Drew is “awaiting some further Yankee clarity.” What does this mean? I assume it means that the Yankees have expressed significant interest in Stephen Drew, and are waiting to hear about the Alex Rodriguez suspension before they make a deal. The Rodriguez decision should be coming within the next couple of weeks, and regardless of Drew’s intentions to sign with the Yankees, having the team with the biggest pocketbook involved in the bidding should help him raise his demands.

  101. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Bailey needs to be decoupled from Phillips.

    If Jocketty won’t budge and Phillips won’t lower his greed factor then they’re SOL.

    And, unfortunately, so are we.

  102. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    YT -

    Stating the obvious.

  103. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Yankee Trader December 21st, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Here’s your clarity.

    According to Peter Gammons, Stephen Drew is “awaiting some further Yankee clarity.” What does this mean? I assume it means that the Yankees have expressed significant interest in Stephen Drew, and are waiting to hear about the Alex Rodriguez suspension before they make a deal. The Rodriguez decision should be coming within the next couple of weeks, and regardless of Drew’s intentions to sign with the Yankees, having the team with the biggest pocketbook involved in the bidding should help him raise his demands.

    ———————

    Hmm.. could be. But for anyone doubting it this theory would mean that if Alex only gets a 50-100 game suspension, he is very much going to be playing for the team again.

  104. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    I’m gonna state something obvious too.

    We need ourselves a solid mid-rotation SP.

    ;)

  105. Yankee Trader December 21st, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Polanco for Nada, who in turn was traded for Zilch, who played until he was traded for BUPKUS .

    Sorry for the filching MTU

  106. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Shame-

    I don’t see more.

    So I guess you see him at some point.

    Although I hope not.

  107. Yankee Trader December 21st, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    YT -

    Stating the obvious.
    ———-
    What, that the Yankees no longer need Phillips, or that Drew is waiting on the ARod decision, or both?

  108. jmills December 21st, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    I’m excited about next season even if the Jays don’t do anything. It can’t possibly get any worse…

  109. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    MTU -

    He will be, at some point. If not, he walks. Jocketty wouldn’t dare offer him a QO; he doesn’t have the coin to pay that for SP.

    Jocketty has some work to do… lost Choo, Arroyo and will lose Bailey soon.

    Who can he get to play CF:

    Ellsbury? Nope.
    Granderson? Nope.
    Davis? Nope.
    Gutierrez? Nope?

    Trade for:

    Bourjos? Nope.

    Coming off a playoff run, firing your manager and going backwards is not good for job security.

  110. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    YT -

    My clarification: Gammons stating the obvious re: Drew. Sorry.

  111. Captain Clutch December 21st, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    The Yanks are insane if they go into the season with Jeter as the everyday SS. They need Drew but I am sure that he would only sign if he was the everyday SS. No way is he going to sign to play SS half of the time and 2nd base.

  112. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Mills-

    When you have to spit up just to hit the sidewalk there really is nowhere to go but up.

    :)

  113. Captain Clutch December 21st, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    I assume it means that the Yankees have expressed significant interest in Stephen Drew, and are waiting to hear about the Alex Rodriguez suspension before they make a deal.
    ————-

    Drew is not going to sit around and wait until an Arod decision. He will mostly sign in the next week or 2. If the Yanks won’t let him play SS he will go back to Boston.

  114. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    true phillips is still pretty good. but that is still a terrible contract and this is probably the last time they’ll be able to move it without taking a financial bath.

    similar to where the yankees were last offseason with cc.

  115. jmills December 21st, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    MTU, in the words of our beloved Jim Morrison, ” I’ve been down so long that it looks like up to me “.

  116. Yankee Trader December 21st, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Center fielders:

    For Bailey

    Leonys Martin
    Carlos Gomez
    Denard Span
    Michael Bourn
    Desmond Jennings

  117. jmills December 21st, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    I was in a used cd store today, and asked the young snot behind the counter to look at a documentary collection he had behind about, Morrison. The kid goes, ” oh yeah, that guy who thought he was some kind of poet “. I think Jim is happy about what I said to this wannabe check out person.

  118. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    MTU -

    There are other options out there. Let’s just say Jocketty keeps Bailey all season. Okay, so the FO buys him in FA next year to replace Kuroda.

    Options for 2014?

    FA:

    Saunders
    Maholm
    Baker

    Trade:

    Lohse
    Samardzija

  119. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Y’s-

    How bad could it be if the Reds were offering GGBG straight up for Phillips and they wouldn’t even kick anything in to compensate for him wanting that sweetner ?

    ;)

  120. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    YT -

    I’m not sure any of those players would be available. Maybe Span. Maybe.

  121. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Steve-

    I really don’t care for any of the Pitchers you mentioned.

    If those are my only choices I’m taking my chances with what I already have in stock.

  122. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Steve-

    And by the way I would expect the Yankees to be all over Bailey in FA.

    For sure.

    But we could use his help now.

  123. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    well it is a bad contract but at the same time, losing phillips is still going to hurt alot. he’s still their best hitter, so they’re looking for full value back at this point.

    if they dont move him they’re alot better off in 2014 but then moving him after will cost them.

  124. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    thats why i was hot on moving cc last season, when they might have been able to get ‘full value’ in return while still getting out from under an onerous contract.

  125. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Y’s-

    Apparently it’s not bad enough.

    ;)

  126. Jerkface December 21st, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Could somebody corroborate this.

    I understand that with the new posting agreement a team can circumvent the limit of 20 million by tying a lesser player to, in this case Tanaka, and both players would have to be signed to get the 40 million.

    Now, if this is true, the Rakuten Eagles could tie Youkilis to Tanaka and Voila…………

    No. There is no way to tie players together in the new posting system. Once a team posts a player, it is up to the player NOT the team to decide which MLB franchise they will sign with. This idea was first brought up by Ben Badler as an outside the box method that Rakuten might use to come up with the posting fee. The only way it works is if Rakuten can force Tanaka to sign the team that agrees to also post for the 2nd player. Since they have no method of forcing this, it is not really possible.

    This happens in the mexican and dominican leagues because the MLB teams are buying prospects in a bundle from an existing team. So when the Yankees got Manny Banuelos in a package with some other players, they were paying a mexican franchise for the rights. There was no posting system intermediary there so that was possible. If Rakuten could simply sell the rights to any team they wished, then they could have done it, but in that case Tanaka would not get a contract he’d be a minor league player subject to major league minimum. And since the posting system makes him a free agent free to sign where he pleases, its obvious this kind of ploy isnt going to happen.

    It would basically require an MLB team that eventually signs Tanaka to agree in a backroom to compensate Rakuten more out of the goodness of their heart, because Rakuten cannot force anyone to do it. Imagine if the Yankees go to Rakuten and say: Post tanaka and we’ll pay the 20 there + 10 for another player you post. Then Rakuten posts Tanaka and the Yankees do not even sign him because he wanted to play for the Dodgers or whatever. Rakuten has no recourse to get the promised money.

  127. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    MTU -

    Why wouldn’t the Reds make the Gardner/Phillips trade? It helps the Reds, overvalues Phillips, dumps salary and bad-attitude player. Perfect for the Reds.

  128. jmills December 21st, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    I want to get my kid a Yankees cap, do they make pink ones with the black logo?

  129. theREALkevin December 21st, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Colby rasmus to the reds might make some sense

  130. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Y’s-

    There was never a chance the Yankees were going to trade Sabathia.

  131. Jerkface December 21st, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    losing phillips is still going to hurt alot. he’s still their best hitter

    What? Jay Bruce and Joey Vottto are both better than Phillips.

  132. Yankee Trader December 21st, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    While waiting on the Rakuten decision on Tanaka, I believe the Yankees should take a proactive approach and sign a starter and a BP arm now,from a list that might be available on reasonable one year contracts. To wait on Tanaka and if posted up to another thirty days will likely leave the Yankees with real bottom of the barrel pitching choices if Tanaka is not in pinstripes.

  133. Yankee Trader December 21st, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Jerkface

    Thank you. I was the one who brought that up, about linking another player to Tanaka.

    Finally got an answer.

  134. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    MTU -

    You can see why the FO isn’t hot on very many SP available other than Tanaka and what they can get in trades. Santana, Garza and Jiminez are huge, overrated and overpriced risks. Pass.

    SP = Danger, proceed with caution…..

  135. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Steve-

    I don’t know.

    You tell me ?

    If they wanted to move him that bad they should have been willing to kick in some to make it happen.

    If Phillips was gumming up the works that sounds like their problem, and theirs to rectify to make it happen.

    Apparently they wanted their cake as much as Phillips did and expected the Yankees to foot the entire bill.

    They’ll never get a deal like that. Phillips is overpriced as is.

  136. jmills December 21st, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    I’m all for trading Rasmus if Gose is about there. Contract year for Rasmus, and he’s coming off a decent season. Maybe a trade will happen just into the season after Gose can display a bit.

  137. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    YT -

    There will always be 4/5 starters out there. No rush. Proceed tentatively so as not to get burned.

    The FO did a great job, IMO, of being aggressive when they needed to be with position players. Now they can take their time, as they should, piecing together the rest of the staff.

  138. Jerkface December 21st, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Phillips has a no trade, so the Reds can’t force the deal by kicking in money since in the end its up to Phillips and he wanted more money.

  139. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Steve-

    I can indeed.

    that is why I would push harder for Bailey.

    Get them to eat more money for Phillips or even better simply decouple him from Phillips by offering to sweeten the return for him.

    That would be my approach.

    Of course, if Tanaka frees up they’re stuck with no GGBG so that’s up to them to decide.

    ;)

  140. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    MTU -

    That’s Jocketty’s game, though. Phillips has him by the shorts, so he’s likely not going anywhere. What teams need a 2B? Jays? They are nuts enough to do something like that.

    Rasmus for Phillips got nowhere (similar to Gardner in that Rasmus is a FA in 2014).

  141. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    JF-

    They pay the difference in the upgrade.

  142. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Y’s-

    There was never a chance the Yankees were going to trade Sabathia
    ==============================================
    i didnt say there was a chance they’d trade him, i said i advocated trading him last season.

    as it turned out, i was pretty prophetic!

  143. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    MTU -

    Re: Tanaka, Bailey, Gardner: You can see why it’s a linear flowchart. Eliminate the Tanaka option, revisit the Bailey option.

    If Jocketty reopens the door more reasonably, then make a deal whenever. No such thing as too much SP.

  144. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Steve-

    So just keep him and get what he can for Bailey rather than just letting him walk for a frickin’ draft pick.

    Now that would be cosmically stupid.

    Very Yankee-like.

    ;)

  145. Ys Guy December 21st, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    “What? Jay Bruce and Joey Vottto are both better than Phillips.”

    ===========================================
    i know i was exaggerating, votto is the man. bruce, eh, he’s very up and down.

  146. Jerkface December 21st, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    They pay the difference in the upgrade.

    But Phillips default contract is already bad, so that would not work. They would have to pay for PHillips new contract + eat probably half of the current one.

    He is a bad player to trade for. Unappealing in so many aspects.

  147. blake December 21st, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Getting drew woukd greatly help a big weakness right now which is the infield D….it’s basically terrible at the moment especially on the left side

  148. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Steve-

    That would be a dream come true Man !

    Nice fantasy. I love it.

    :)

  149. Jerkface December 21st, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    bruce, eh, he’s very up and down.

    He has an .800+ OPS in each of the past 4 seasons with a total line of .262 .337 .489 .826. He is better than phillips.

  150. jmills December 21st, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Sorry guys, I’m going in and out of it here multitasking, the comments are interesting to read though.

  151. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Congrats Y’s on advocating something will never happen.

    You are definitely Nostradamus.

    :)

  152. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    JF-

    You don’t have to convince me.

    At this point I want only Bailey.

    ;)

  153. Yankee Trader December 21st, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Pinstriped Bible-
    “There’s a lot of doubt surrounding the Yankee rotation this year: Can Sabathia regain his old form? Was the end of last season just an exhausted fluke or the signal that Kuroda has nothing left in the tank? Which Nova will we see – the one from the first month of 2013 (6.48 ERA), or the one who became the Yankees most reliable pitcher down the stretch last year (2.78 ERA after the All-Star Break)?”

    I’m adding that it might be a mistake to rely only on internal options. Nuno finished the season on disabled list with sore groin, Phelps spent time end of season with forearm issues. What happens in July or August, if Pineda has rebounded and hits his innings limit. Does he sit like Strasburg?

    Too many questions with the top three to rely on Pineda, Phelps, Warren, Nuno to round out the rotation and finish the season strong.

  154. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Blake-

    The Yankees appear to be in a holding pattern pending the Tanaka and A-Rod decisions.

    Even thought it is a virtual certainty they either are or will have to go over 189.

    :(

  155. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    YT-

    You know how I feel but I don’t want to add schlock either.

    Quality or nothing.

    No bupkus allowed.

    :)

  156. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Reds basically passing gas by saying they’re ready to go w Hamilton in CF.

    :)

  157. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    What good is a speedy leadoff hitter who can’t get on base ?

    ;)

  158. Tar December 21st, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    TBone

    Thanks

    re: tax…. yeah I don’t know all the intricacies, but I still think the figures are overblown.

  159. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    MTU -

    I’m not sure I addressed all of your comments… kinda rapid-fire for a few minutes….

    Bottom line: Pitching needs some tweaking. There is time, a plan, and a timeline.

    Position players’ need some tweaking. There is time, a plan and lots of options.

    To be at Xmas and only needing tweaking is not too bad. The fanbase should be pleased.

  160. Jerkface December 21st, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Robert Raiola, CPA ?@SportsTaxMan 1h

    If Shin-Soo Cho is #Texas res. his after tax cash flow from #Rangers 7 yrs $130M deal is approx $700K > #Yankees(NYS res) 7 yr $140M #MLB

  161. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Steve-

    “Bottom line: Pitching needs some tweaking. There is time, a plan, and a timeline.”

    IMO it needs more than just some “tweaking”.

    If it were only tweaking it needed I wouldn’t be as concerned.

    But yes, we watch and wait for a good solution to come along. And even more, we hope for it.

    No interest from me on just another patch.

    It won’t help anyway.

  162. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    MTU -

    Agreed. Most of the hard work has been done. Now it’s making the right deals/decisions regarding SP/RP.

  163. DaSaint007 December 21st, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    At this point, a Bailey/Phillips for Gardner+ deal is unnecessary.
    After the Tanaka posting (if it happens), it may be a different matter.
    Still can’t see Drew accepting a part-time 3B gig when he could be the full-time SS in boston.

  164. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Steve-

    So much talk about Tanaka. He might be the best option out there all things considered.

    FWIS he still represents a very significant risk though.

    What is he likely to be ? Will he justify such a huge investment ?

    Darvish-like, Dice-K-like, Kuroda-like, worse ?

    A guy like Bailey is a proven commodity and is only 2 years older.

  165. DaSaint007 December 21st, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Jerkface December 21st, 2013 at 5:39 pm
    Robert Raiola, CPA ?@SportsTaxMan 1h

    If Shin-Soo Cho is #Texas res. his after tax cash flow from #Rangers 7 yrs $130M deal is approx $700K > #Yankees(NYS res) 7 yr $140M #MLB
    ——————–
    No surprise here. It does, has, and always will make a difference. So does the cost of living. A $1M home in Texas goes a bit further than a $1M home in New York. All real estate here is more expensive, and you get a lot less for the dollar. It is what it is.

  166. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Saint-

    Every home in the Dallas area comes with it’s own cheerleader too !

    :)

  167. DaSaint007 December 21st, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Bailey would be a decent trade, but I just don’t see it happening. When was the last time someone traded that good starting pitcher to the Yankees? I can’t recall. It seems to be against unofficial MLB rules to do so.

    I’d still create my safety net now, by signing Johan Santana to a 1 year deal (not like we haven’t done that before to guys who were recovering from surgery – Aardsma comes to mind), with an offer to ST and incentives.

    And then there’s the pen, but there’s time for that…

  168. DaSaint007 December 21st, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    MTU,

    See, I knew there was a reason half my male relatives have moved to Texas. They’ve been holding out on me!

  169. wanzies222 December 21st, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    DaSaint007 -

    The key with Bailey is that the Reds will lose him for nothing at the end of 2014. He’s shown no inclination to resign. He and Gardner are similar in that they are 2014 rentals.

  170. MTU December 21st, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    There’s a new one ————>

  171. bbb51 December 21st, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    oh boy 700k :roll:

    I’m happy with Beltran.


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