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Constructing a lineup: Where do all of the new pieces fit?

Posted by: vmercogliano - Posted in Misc on Dec 23, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Vin Mercogliano back here to add my thoughts on a topic that Chad touched on over the weekend. You guys miss me?

With the bulk of the Yankees’ work to improve their offense presumably done, I noticed a lot of you discussing what the Opening Day lineup might look like. As Chad wrote about the other day, it’s likely that the Yankees will only have one starter back from the 2013 Opening Day lineup (Brett Gardner), which creates a lot of uncertainty for what it might look like in 2014. There are a lot of possibilities and this year’s lineup should have more depth – on paper, at least – but it may take awhile to figure out who fits where. Joe Girardi admitted at the Carlos Beltran press conference on Friday that he’s already toying with ideas in his head.

“I do start to think about it, obviously, because there’s a lot more pieces in place,” he said. “You know, there’s two guys coming off of injuries that we expect to be fully healthy (Derek Jeter and Mark Teixeira), but they affect the lineup. But I feel good about where they’re at right now.”

It’s obviously very early to be putting together a batting order, but it’s also a source of intrigue at this point in the offseason. Here, I’ve tried to answer few basic questions that need be examined before constructing a lineup, and then I’ve concluded with the order that I think makes the most sense.

ellsbury1. What to do with two leadoff hitters? I think most expect Jacoby Ellsbury to hit leadoff, and that certainly seems to be the safe bet. He’s been one of the best leadoff men in baseball — when healthy — over the last six seasons, and the Yankees just paid him a lot of money to come here and provide a spark. With the run producers that they’ve brought in — namely, Brian McCann and Carlos Beltran — Ellsbury could be the ideal table-setter. I don’t buy into the talk of him hitting third. That short experiment didn’t stick in Boston, and his best numbers have come when he hits first. Gardner was the Yankees’ leadoff hitter last season and did an admirable job, but aside from nearly identical career on-base percentages, Ellsbury’s numbers are better across the board. His batting average is 30 points higher, his slugging percentage and OPS are each nearly 60 points higher, and his success rate for stealing bases blows Gardner out of the water. So, we’ve established that Ellsbury is the more effective leadoff hitter, but then where do you put Gardner? There has been some discussion of him hitting second to give the Yankees two speedy leadoff types at the top of the order, but we all know how much Girardi loves to split up his lefties. Assuming that Jeter is healthy to start the year, you’d have to think that he’ll get the first crack at hitting second. He only played in 17 games last season, but the year before he hit .316 and led the AL in hits while batting mostly in the 2-hole. Dropping Gardner in the order will be an easier pill for Girardi to swallow than it would be to drop a first-ballot Hall of Famer. In my humble opinion, it’s much more likely — and logical — that Gardner ends up hitting eighth or ninth.

tex2. Who takes Cano’s spot in the 3-hole, and who follows? While the Yankees definitely look deeper and more versatile on offense, they’re not going to be able to equal the production that they got when Robinson Cano was hitting third. In many respects, he was the ideal 3-hole hitter, but he now resides in Seattle. Without his pretty left-handed swing, it’s pretty clear who will make up the middle of the Yankees’ order — Teixeira, McCann, Beltran and Alfonso Soriano — but how Girardi lines them up is very much up for debate. Cano was clearly the best hitter on the team last season, but you can’t say that about anyone on the current 2014 roster. None of the four that I named have numbers that standout above the rest, so we have to take a different approach. Teixeira and Beltran are each switch-hitters, while Soriano is a righty and McCann is a lefty, so no matter which order you put them in, they will naturally avoid any matchup problems late in games. If you look at the history for each player, there are two who have had notable success while hitting third — Tex and Beltran. In my opinion, it will be one of those guys who occupies the 3-hole on Opening Day. The last time that the Yankees won the World Series, it was Teixeira hitting third with a powerful righty in Alex Rodriguez hitting behind him. Soriano — another power right-handed bat — flourished as the cleanup hitter last year, reviving his career by slugging .525 with a .825 OPS and hitting 17 homers in 58 games with the Yanks. It could be tempting for Girardi to try to see if he can ignite both by putting them back in familiar spots. But there is one glaring fact that favors Beltran starting the season in the 3-hole. Teixeira is a notoriously slow starter — who also happens to be working his way back from a serious injury — while Beltran has made a habit of coming out of the gate hot in recent years. So, while part of me thinks that it makes a lot of sense to give Tex a shot at hitting third to get him going and offer him some protection, I tend to think that Beltran will get the first crack at it.

3. How does the bottom of the order shake out? It’s no secret that Girardi likes to use different lineups depending on whether the Yankees are facing a lefty or a righty, so there’s a good chance that this portion of the order will fluctuate. But for the purposes of this exercise, we’ll use a projected starting lineup with players who are currently on the roster — meaning Brian Roberts at second and Kelly Johnson at third. Ultimately, I think that the Yankees will add a right-handed infielder to platoon with the lefty-swinging Johnson (Mark Reynolds, perhaps?), and I think they’ll hold down the seventh spot in the order. Roberts is another leadoff-type, and to split up two lefties in Gardner and Ellsbury, I think it’s pretty logical that we’ll see Gardner hitting eighth and the switch-hitting Roberts ninth.

Here’s how I would fill out my lineup card. What would yours look like?

1. Ellsbury, CF
2. Jeter, SS
3. Beltran, RF
4. Soriano, DH
5. McCann, C
6. Teixeira, 1B
7. Johnson, 3B
8. Gardner, LF
9. Roberts, 2B

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162 Responses to “Constructing a lineup: Where do all of the new pieces fit?”

  1. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:03 am

    this is the reason i dont leave games early, wade boggs, knuckleballing legend!

    i was at this game.

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....hing-video

    it was late, yankees were getting blown out and my friend who drove was about to force us to leave (well, actually it was his wife who was insisting we start for home) when i saw #12 run out to the bp and insisted we stay and find out what was going on…

  2. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:09 am

    thats exactly my lineup too vince!

  3. blake December 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Vs RHP
    Gardner LF
    Jeter SS/3b
    Ellsbury CF
    Beltran RF
    MCCann C
    Tex 1B
    Soriano DH
    Drew SS/3B
    Roberts/Johnson 2B

  4. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Ellsbury CF
    Jeter SS
    Beltran RF
    Soriano DH
    McCann C
    Tex 1B
    Johnson 3B
    Baker 2B
    GGBG LF

  5. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:21 am

    sorry.

    Roberts/Baker 2B

  6. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:22 am

    its not the lineup i’d put out there, just my guess for what girardi would do.

    id certainly go with gardner behind ellsbury vs. RHP, but i dont see them doing that.

    id also move jeter down to 7th or 8th.

  7. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Vin

    Beltran as #3 makes good sense, as he hits well with runners on base and in scoring position.

    Gardner sees slightly more pitches than Ellsbury, which would be a plus having him higher in the lineup, but Ellsbury is the more instinctive and better basestealer, and slides feet first. With Jeter batting second, and he has hit into double digit double plays when healthy, I would stick with Ellsbury as lead off.

    Now where would Drew fit in this lineup if he’s signed to play third?

    ARod. Where do you bat him if he comes back sometime in the summer?

  8. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Girardi should be in binder heaven with this lineup.

    Channeling his best Tony La Russa.

    Ellsbury and GGBG are going to drive opposing Teams nuts.

  9. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:25 am

    the tanaka comments are mirroring the cano comments before the #’s came out.

    go get him, we have more money, we need him more, all that is true.

    but what if the bidding gets up to say 7/$130M?

    one dumb owner is always out there.

  10. dan l December 23rd, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Jeter needs to earn the 2 hole…he has not hit right handed pitching good enough and does not walk enough against them either.

  11. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:26 am

    I think Ellsbury is going to help GGBG become a better base stealer, and I think Kuroda will make Tanaka a better pitcher.

    ;)

  12. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Y’s-

    It could.

    Not sure what happens then ?

  13. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2013 at 9:28 am

    With ARod

    Ellsbury CF
    Jeter SS
    Beltran RF/DH
    Soriano DH/RF
    McCann C
    ARod 3B
    Tex 1B
    Roberts 2B
    Gardner LF

  14. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:30 am

    what happens then most likely is that he signs with the dodgers or mariners.

    and the yankees end up signing whoever’s left on the fa market in mid to late january.

  15. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:30 am

    YT-

    Scary part ?

    The youngest guy in that lineup is around 30.

    :(

  16. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Y’s-

    And how would feel about that ?

  17. pkyankfan69 December 23rd, 2013 at 9:31 am

    CF – Ellsbury
    SS – Jeter
    RF – Beltran
    C – McCann
    DH – Soriano
    1B – Tex
    3B – Aram
    2B – Roberts
    LF – Gardner

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r9QiqYi6A8

  18. Madrugador December 23rd, 2013 at 9:33 am

    To heck with batting leftys back to back. Ellsbury leads off and Gardener bats ninth. Leave the binder on the shelf for this one.

  19. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:33 am

    By the way Y’s another team who might be very motivated is the Snakes.

  20. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:33 am

    once the suspension is announced, i expect the yankees to start negotiations with his agent to settle on what’s left of his contract.

    its also very possible that arod will start working one collecting from insurance companies.

    i think he’s toast as a regular player anyway, i dont think he can stay healthy for any prolonged period of time.

  21. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Patrick,

    I see Choo signed for just over the AAV of Pence’s deal.

  22. johnconner24 December 23rd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Ellsbury CF
    Jeter SS
    Beltran RF
    Tex 1B
    Mcann C
    Soriano DH
    Johnson 3B
    Roberts 2B
    Gardner LF

    Just basing it off of what the team is right now

  23. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Or the Nats, or the Halos.

    Competition could reach ridiculous proportions.

    :(

  24. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2013 at 9:35 am

    With ARod sometime mid or late summer. Potential BA and homers for each, if healthy.

    Ellsbury CF .300/15
    Jeter SS. .300/12
    Beltran RF/DH .300/25
    Soriano DH/RF .285/35
    McCann C .275/30
    ARod 3B .275/15
    Tex 1B .250/30
    Roberts 2B .275/10
    Gardner LF .280/8

  25. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Vince-

    By the way, If Chad ever decides to move on you are my # 1 candidate to take his spot.

    ;)

  26. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:38 am

    if tanaka goes somewhere else, ill wish we got him but ill understand that the yankees dont wan to have 90M in payroll going to arod, cc, tex and tanaka the next couple of years.

    i’ve never seen him pitch, so i can only go by what others are saying about him. if he’s truly ace material we need him badly b/c i dont think we have an ace anymore.

    but like most things out of my control, i wont get crazy about it.

    in fact, i’m alreay expecting someone to outbid the yankees for him.

  27. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:38 am

    YT-

    Way too optimistic IMO.

    No way you’re getting .285 out of Soriano. Lucky if you get around .265

    Some of the others are questionable as well.

  28. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Y’s-

    If Tanaka goes elsewhere ( I hope not) we might wind up w Garza.

    I don’t have a problem w him out of the 3 slot.

    Probably will be an overpay though.

    Bailey is who I would love to wind up with.

  29. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:42 am

    i hope nys doesnt ruin beltran, ells, mccann and johnson’s swings and turn them into grandersons.

  30. massjake December 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    MTU
    I like the mentoring angle you pointed out with Ellsbury/Gardner and Kuroda /Tanaka. Now we just need to land that big fish…

  31. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Here’s my lineup if we got Bailey.

    Ellsbury
    Jeter
    Beltran
    Soriano
    McCann
    Tex
    Johnson
    Roberts
    De Aza

    ;)

  32. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2013 at 9:45 am

    MTU

    That was potential. Soriano did hit lefties very well. His homer might be down, depending on how many at bats he gets sharing some DH time.

    I still think the Mariners will be aggressive on Tanaka, since Price is not going there. DBacks , Cubs, Yankees seem like sure bets. The Dodgers don’t need him. The other west coast teams, a stones throw from Japan, are probably not going there.

  33. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Jake-

    I hope so but Y’s makes a very good point.

    The money could get really crazy.

    Not sure we would go there if it did.

    There will be a ton of competition for Mr. T from teams who have money and are highly motivated.

    ;)

  34. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    if you count a 10 hour flight (san fran to tokyo) a ‘stone’s throw’ then yeah.

  35. GregD December 23rd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I think it’s a good bet that we don’t sign any more infielders until we see what’s going to happen with A-Rod…..if he’s out for the season then they might do something, if 50-60 games….I think they stand pat…….

  36. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    IMO a lot of how far the Yankees might be willing to go depends on their projections for Tanaka.

    If they see him as Kuroda or Darvish like they should be willing to go pretty damn far.

    If their projection is more conservative maybe not as far.

  37. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:50 am

    YT-

    The Halos will be players too. And the Snakes.

    Wouldn’t count out the Tigers or Nats as well.

  38. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:50 am

    since the tanaka thing has dragged on this long, the yankees should find out about arod’s suspension before tanaka gets signed.

  39. Jerkface December 23rd, 2013 at 9:50 am

    if tanaka goes somewhere else, ill wish we got him but ill understand that the yankees dont wan to have 90M in payroll going to arod, cc, tex and tanaka the next couple of years.

    ??? I don’t know why Tanaka is being lumped in with that group. Could easily lump in Beltran, Ellsbury, or McCann to that group as well. The Yankees are incredibly rich, just spend the money and stop worrying about it.

  40. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:52 am

    The Marketing angle with Tanaka would be ginormous.

    Hear that Levine.

    ;)

  41. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:52 am

    i put him in that group of players that you’re not really sure what you’re going to get for the high prices you’re paying.

  42. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:48 am
    if you count a 10 hour flight (san fran to tokyo) a ‘stone’s throw’ then yeah.
    ————-

    Good one!! That would be a ‘stone’s throw’ for Sarah Palin.

  43. mick December 23rd, 2013 at 9:53 am

    take a few days off from the blah blah blahg it would do some of you good…

  44. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Mick-

    Isn’t that what Xmas does ?

  45. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 9:56 am

    if a japanese player could go home during the season i think the proximity to japan would count for more, but even if they’re in san fran or seattle, they really cant’ go home during the season except for maybe the ASB. so i dont really think its a big factor.

  46. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2013 at 10:00 am

    I agree with JF. If the Yankees are already going to be over 200M, then another 4-5M/ year up to 20M/year 6/120 won’t make a difference. The Yankees will make that back in attendance and concessions.

    Do I think he’s worth it? No! However, unless the Yankees improve their pitching , the current team would really have to pitch lights out to advance in the playoffs , if they even made the playoffs.

  47. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:00 am

    I’m back dating the pharmacist again. It’s such a strange combo. I’m the nutrition-based healer type and she’s all DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS. We cooked dinner and drank 2 bottles of wine together the other night and when I asked for some B-vitamins to curb a potential hangover she broke out this bowl with like 15 little orange medicine bottles. Everything she was taught in pharmacy school goes against everything I believe. Plus she voted for Mitt and I, well, would never.

  48. mick December 23rd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    coney1 December 23rd, 2013 at 8:13 am

    http://nypost.com/2013/12/21/y…..-the-ages/

    Wow, why does Joel Sherman always sound like a negative, bitter old hag. I’ve never seen him say one optimistic or positive thing about the Yankees.
    =====================================
    Maybe he should change his name from Joel to J.Al….

  49. Jerkface December 23rd, 2013 at 10:02 am

    if a japanese player could go home during the season i think the proximity to japan would count for more, but even if they’re in san fran or seattle, they really cant’ go home during the season except for maybe the ASB. so i dont really think its a big factor.

    I’m not sure if its a ~big~ factor, but it apparently is A factor. There are more Japanese people on the west coast, it must be easier for family and friends to fly in, and worst case scenario its a lighter trip than from the east coast. Considering Tanaka is a pitcher, if you think of off days and when he has to start he may have opportunities to go back to Japan for something if the need arises.

  50. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Brett-

    Incompatible.

    Find another.

    ;)

  51. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 10:03 am

    i dont buy either of you’re potions. we just heard that multivitamins are expensive garbage and we know big pharma will sell you anything no matter how bad it is for you.

    eat some eggs and bacon and you’ll both be fine.

  52. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:04 am

    MTU,

    She’s HOT! And she is health conscious with her eating, enjoys nature, travel, ice skating and has resources to make babies. I wouldn’t have to work but I still would. I’m not that kind of guy. But honestly I would feel less pressure to work so hard.

  53. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Washington State has no income tax.

  54. blake December 23rd, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Oil and water can mix.

  55. blake December 23rd, 2013 at 10:06 am

    For a second :) opposites do sometimes attract though

  56. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Bret-

    Your need to employ your real brain.

    Not the other.

    ;)

  57. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Blake,

    True we just need an emulsifier.

  58. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Bret-

    Have fun but move on.

    ;)

  59. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Blake-

    But not well.

    ;)

  60. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2013 at 10:09 am

    I can’t stop laughing. MTU, you just made my day!

  61. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Part of me is still bitter about how things are (not) progressing with the college professor. She is a gamer (meaning she plays video games all day), is obsessed with sci-fi on netflix, internet junkie, car full of fast food packages, 80K in debt, stuck in small town, indecisive, overthinks. She has good principles about Earth and its people but her lifestyle in the real world does not reflect it. Really disappointed.

  62. Cashmoney December 23rd, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Bret, you had me at ” has the resources to make babies” lol

  63. blake December 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Part of me is still bitter about how things are (not) progressing with the college professor. She is a gamer (meaning she plays video games all day), is obsessed with sci-fi on netflix, internet junkie, car full of fast food packages, 80K in debt, stuck in small town, indecisive, overthinks. She has good principles about Earth and its people but her lifestyle in the real world does not reflect it. Really disappointed.”

    Lol

  64. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Bret-

    In my vast experience (chuckle) when one or more of the major polarities are in opposing houses
    the center will not hold.

    i.e. sexuality, politics, or religion.

    And when your very philosophies are so far apart ?

    No chance.

    Different is one thing but polar opposites ?

    Don’t think so.

    ;)

  65. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Professor is also more selfish in her relationships, doesn’t get as attached, more cynical, more bitter. She is more gypsy, unsure of what she wants. Pharmacist is way more Southern, thicker accent, deeper heart, very clingy, very OCD, but really goes all-in for her man.

  66. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    YT-

    It’s what I do.

    ;)

  67. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Professor has also been a swinger in her past. I’m not down with that.

  68. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Bret-

    Get a third or 4th opinion.

    Make another FA acquisition.

    ;)

  69. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Bret

    What do you do?

  70. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Bret-

    For me. Over time. #1 quality ?

    Loyalty.

    It’s rare in this day and age.

    Price it way up there.

    :)

  71. Cashmoney December 23rd, 2013 at 10:17 am

    MTU is a ladies man, I definitely heed his advice Bret, go for the prof or scout the FA market for undervalue assets.

  72. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    YT-

    Bret is a wannabe hippie/gigolo.

    :)

  73. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 10:19 am

    time for more of that excellent coffee!

  74. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Trader,

    I work in dietary at an Alzheimer’s clinic. They’re training me to be a DTR while I save money for a dietetic internship. Once an RD I have a new diet and marketing platform for it. You all will know me for it within the next 4-5 years. I’m working with a trademark attorney on a trademark app with USPTO. It’s a killer brand and I believe it will garner more market share than “Paleo Diet”. My platform is killer, just killer. I’m not worried about money, really. I’m convinced I will be a millionaire but the money is just a bonus. I feel passionately about my angle on nutrition and will enjoy the journey no matter what. The women are sniffing around already. I’m a picky guy though, always been that way, when it comes to getting serious. Sleeping around though? no standards.

  75. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Cash-

    I wish.

    What I am is a one-woman Man.

    Been married over 30 to same one.

    I’m really quite boring.

    ;)

  76. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Bret is a wannabe hippie/gigolo.
    —————

    Hippie No
    Gigolo Yes-not that there is anything wrong with that!

  77. Cashmoney December 23rd, 2013 at 10:21 am

    MTU, mother nature is your whimsical mistress.

  78. austinmac December 23rd, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Bret,

    Get over the differences. Enjoy.

  79. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    MTU,

    Pharmacist has that loyalty. Professor is more non-committal and wishy washy. She has left 2 dates early, postponed 2 others and disappeared over break saying she will reevaluate once the dust settles after break and she knows more about where I’m going next. Every date has been like a really intense interview. She asks probing questions, things I prefer not to discuss, stuff that would require my answers to make some careful omissions. I told her she should be an investigative journalist. She wants to get a PhD in paleoanthro. I don’t see her leaving her current job – ever.

  80. austinmac December 23rd, 2013 at 10:23 am

    YT,

    Hippy gigolo doesn’t sound half bad. Do I get benefits–other than the obvious?

  81. blake December 23rd, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Bret,

    If you want to have kids one day make sure the gal is responsible and is someone you can see being a good mom…..that is unless you want to get stuck doing everything ;)

  82. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Bret-

    You have an extraordinary imagination.

    I’ll grant you that.

    I demand free access to all your innovations.

    After all, I am MTU.

    Your LoHud pretend Father and spiritual advisor.

    :)

  83. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Bret

    You are doing something very worthwhile, and in a field where hopefully there will be better advances to delay the onset of Alzheimer’s .

  84. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Bret-

    Loyaltly is paramount over time.

    Nothing sadder IMO than finding out the one you love, cherish, and trust has betrayed you.

    It’s a killer hurt.

    Cuts right through to the core.

    Not easy to get over for most.

    Most of the rest changes, or fades. Loyalty can endure.

    ;)

  85. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:28 am

    blake December 23rd, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Bret,

    If you want to have kids one day make sure the gal is responsible and is someone you can see being a good mom…..that is unless you want to get stuck doing everything.

    __________

    This is a big thing. Professor is very untrustworthy. She’s into taboo stuff. It’s nerve racking. If you’re with me and I’m the more old-fashioned one then there is a serious problem, a serious one.

  86. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Bret

    How old are you?

  87. DONNYBROOK December 23rd, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Just looking at that lineup Vin posted above, and the best fit\Final piece would be Drew. I don’t know if the Yankees are dallying due to the same $$$ being earmarked for Tanaka, but it’s obvious that Drew would complete the 2014 Yankee Lineup. The only thing that might change things would be trading Gardner for SP. Other than that, Drew would bring the curtain down on the offense.

  88. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 10:31 am

    drew is using the yankees to bid up the red socks. which is fine by me, but he’s not coming here.

    he’s a SS.

  89. DONNYBROOK December 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Drew plays 3B = fits very nicely.

  90. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Trader,

    I’m in my 30′s and hope I never have to leave them, but I can see it happening :(

    I miss my twenties!!! They were dumber but it was more fun!!!

  91. blake December 23rd, 2013 at 10:34 am

    This is a big thing. Professor is very untrustworthy. She’s into taboo stuff. It’s nerve racking. If you’re with me and I’m the more old-fashioned one then there is a serious problem, a serious one.”

    Yea you’d end up being mom and dad….not good

  92. jmills December 23rd, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Hope any of you Northern folks have hydro. Large sections of Toronto are out and might be for days. Anybody running a generator should ensure proper ventilation as carbon monoxide build up can be a deadly threat. My home is nestled up against the base of the Niagara Escarpment, and the resulting temps stay a few degrees higher, hence some ice, but not what others got. I’ve got work appointments, and it is pretty – the kind with heavy consequences.

  93. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Bret-

    Analyzing your proclivities provides some much needed relief from the Tanaka saga.

    :)

  94. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Trader,

    BTW, the food contract at the alzheimer’s clinic is likely accelerating aging of brain cells and progression of pre-dementia and alzheimers. I never want to send my mom or dad to an aging center. They would be in better hands with a teenage babysitter, eating foods I select. There is high-fructose corn syrup in everything, EVERYTHING, not to mention GMO’s, insecticide residues, sugar, omega-6 fats, you name it. We are not doing good work there, not at all. It’s depressing. The residents are, not like I picture old age for myself or any of my loved ones.

  95. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Mills-

    Just don’t try going over in a barrel, OK ?

    ;)

  96. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 10:39 am

    drew has never played any position but ss. the RS will bring him back as a SS.

    if he came to the yankees, he’d either be sharing time with a god at ss or be involved in the muck of 3b and arod.

    if the arod suspension comes in at 150 or more and drew is still an fa then maybe i can see it.

    but if i were him i’d want no part of coming to the yankees.

  97. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Yea you’d end up being mom and dad….not good

    ___________

    Yes, the returns are early but the energy split is already not 50/50. I feel like she is a free loader and that’s maybe because SHE IS :mad:

  98. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Bret-

    1st you have to get there.

    I’m half way there at 64.

    :)

  99. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:41 am

    MTU,

    Please cease eating all carbs now!!!

    It is devastating. All this bread and pasta and sugar has caught up to us.

  100. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:43 am

    One interesting thing about the condition is the part of the bank that stores musical memories stays preserved the longest. So the residents can sing full songs but forget single words in everyday conversation. Music is insulated. I find it miraculous and mysterious all at the same time. I love the music at the Alzheimer’s center. Louis Prima, Sinatra, lots of blues and jazz. Killer.

  101. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    so you are blaming alzheimers on carbs?

  102. Shame Spencer December 23rd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I see we’ve reached the Dear Abby portion of the off season.

    No one liked the book club idea..

  103. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Bret-

    I do not have a real sweet tooth fortunately.

    I have arteries the size of the Amazon.

    I will never experience circulatory issues.

    Won’t happen.

    It’s a certified thing at this point.

    I’m a genetic anomaly in that regard.

    :)

  104. jmills December 23rd, 2013 at 10:45 am

    We have a growing problem here with quality of care for seniors, and also problems with proper accommodation for those with mental struggles, and of course there is still such a stigma when it comes to concerns in the mental realm.

  105. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Ys Guy,

    Not me, Mark Hyman MD, Harvard medical school and psychiatry specialty school, namely. And many of his MD and PhD colleagues in the integrative medicine community. I find his science cutting edge. He is a rock star.

  106. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 10:47 am

    “I will never experience circulatory issues.

    Won’t happen.”
    ———————————-
    for your sake i hope you are right. but i think you mean you won’t have plaque-related circulatory issues.

    you have no idea if you have aneyurisms or avm’s waiting to cause problems.

    almost nobody does until the problems happen.

    take it from one who knows.

  107. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Robert Lustig, MD. He’s another one. A crusader against HFCS.

  108. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Bret-

    I am a big Dr. Hyman fan.

    But I think you knew that.

    Have a copy of the “ultra-simple diet” right here in the room near me.

    :)

  109. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Y’s-

    I’m certified on that too.

    ;)

  110. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Now I might go insane.

    That’s another matter.

    Or die of liver disease.

    :)

  111. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    my father was very well taken care of by the VA. From the time his alzheimers was diagnosed he began day care there and that was the main thing that kept him and my mother going through the long goodbye.

    dad spent his last few weeks at the VA Center in Albany and while the facilities were not the best, the staff and MD’s who cared for him couldnt have been nicer, more caring or more professional.

  112. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Mrs. MTU will not let me eat much sugar.

    I do have one or two serious weaknesses.

    Really good bread, and potatoes.

    :(

  113. Yankee Dog December 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    coney1 December 23rd, 2013 at 8:13 am

    http://nypost.com/2013/12/21/y…..-the-ages/

    Wow, why does Joel Sherman always sound like a negative, bitter old hag. I’ve never seen him say one optimistic or positive thing about the Yankees.

    ============================

    Why is it wrong for Sherman to state the obvious that the NYY are an older team ?

  114. Bret The Hitman December 23rd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Hyman video clip. It’s short. He’s just a brilliant guy. Yes he makes money for his writing and speaking engagements, but so what, he’s a legit scientist and he deserves a market.

    http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/0.....lzheimers/

  115. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Yankee Dog December 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    coney1 December 23rd, 2013 at 8:13 am

    http://nypost.com/2013/12/21/y…..-the-ages/

    Wow, why does Joel Sherman always sound like a negative, bitter old hag. I’ve never seen him say one optimistic or positive thing about the Yankees.

    ============================

    Why is it wrong for Sherman to state the obvious that the NYY are an older team ?
    ==================================
    both are valid points. but you’ve got to admit, the next time sherman writes an article on the topic of how the yankees lineup is better, or what good moves they’ve made will be his first on the subject.

    he speaks the truth, but almost always one aspect of the truth.

  116. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 11:01 am

    scratch buttermilk biscuits!

    mmm mmm good!

  117. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    brett any opinions on marijuana’s effect on dimentia and or alzheimers?

    (not counting the fact that it increases your carb intake…)

  118. Yankee Dog December 23rd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Ys Guy December 23rd, 2013 at 10:58 am

    I have begun to see him as a ‘Lupica’ kind of guy with hie ‘negative nellie’ NYY stuff.

  119. Madrugador December 23rd, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Mark Hyman MD is a rock star but I would be concerned that he would be just another one in a long line of diet/health rock stars that have not panned out. It would be great if he really had the answer. Time will tell.

  120. Yankee Dog December 23rd, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Typo ………….

    with his ‘negative nellie’

  121. blake December 23rd, 2013 at 11:16 am

    “Yes, the returns are early but the energy split is already not 50/50. I feel like she is a free loader and that’s maybe because SHE IS ”

    You don’t want no free loaders…..you can take them out to tupelo honey every now and then but not a keeper. My wife and I were really good friends for a couple of years before we started dating…..I recommend that to anyone if it’s possible…..you kinda learn to like the person for who they are first and then you also learn more what you’re getting into so there are less surprises.

  122. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 11:17 am

    I’m out.

    Catch you all later.

    :)

  123. brew crew December 23rd, 2013 at 11:24 am

    I really don’t see Brewers moving ARam. He is expensive, and I’m sure Melvin would want the Yanks to take his salary with him. His role on the Brewers is even more important now that Hart flew the coop Cano style. His knee injuries really hurt the Brewers last year, no solid 3b to fill his shoes (don’t like Jaun Fransisco or Jeff Bianchi)
    ARam also does not want to play in the AL because he does not want to DH.

  124. yanks61 December 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Bret, it’s always interesting to read what you have to say about both baseball and diets.

    However, speaking of diets, here’s a funny thing. My mother will soon be ninety. She’s in very good shape, both physically and mentally for her age, and she has done just about everything wrong according to your diet préférences! Loves bread, pastas and eats and drinks all kinds of sweets! She’s stayed slim all her life and, happily, gave up smoking when she was forty (in fact she does get short of breath easily, which I blame on the smoking.) She’s not an isolated case in her family either. My mom is one of ten kids, all but two have lived to at least 85 (2 to their mid 90s) and all ate equally poor diets!

    I have to think that one’s genetic background plays a huge role in your health (which is not to say that eating well couldn’t help anyone live even longer and healthier.)

  125. blake December 23rd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Bret,
    I’m taking 600 IU of D3 daily now…..have been for about a month.

  126. mick December 23rd, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Bret is not looking for a wife.

  127. pkyankfan69 December 23rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    His knee injuries really hurt the Brewers last year, no solid 3b to fill his shoes (don’t like Jaun Fransisco or Jeff Bianchi)
    ———-
    That’s why we are going to include Nuney in the deal ;)

  128. mick December 23rd, 2013 at 11:42 am

    There is a fine line between genetics and drinking and smoking and eating wrong most of your life.
    Sooner or later it will get you, maybe genetics prolongs or shortens it.

  129. tomingeorgia December 23rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Mister mick,
    Sooner or later, something gets everyone.

  130. mick December 23rd, 2013 at 11:49 am

    that about covers it mr tom…moderation is said to be the key.

  131. bbb51 December 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Jerkface December 23rd, 2013 at 12:58 am
    JayZ filled his head with all that money = respect crap. It’s a shame.

    Pretty sure the baseball player culture did that for him, since its actually a thing. Gabe Kapler, who as far as I know does not associate with Jay Z, said the same thing on MLB XM. Boras wanted NYY’s offer to Choo to beat Crawford’s, Boras wanted Ellsbury’s contract to beat crawfords, etc.

    Ellsbury took less to play for the Yankees than what Seattle offered.

    Beltran took less to play for the Yankees than what AZ offered.

    You can get a lot of happiness from money, but it’s not *all* about money (or shouldn’t be), especially past a certain point.

  132. bbb51 December 23rd, 2013 at 11:52 am

    pat December 23rd, 2013 at 7:57 am
    If someone offers me over $100M to play baseball, I will be all about the money.

    shame on you! that’s not nostalgic and romantic. you should want to play for free! :wink:

    As far as I know, the Yankees didn’t offer $0.

  133. brew crew December 23rd, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Who is worse? Eduardo Nunez or Yuniesky Betancourt ?

    Nunnie wins for entertainment and drama value. His helmet losses and funny dances at the plate kill me.

    But Yuni can sure uncork a mean foul ball.

  134. mick December 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Ellsbury took less to play for the Yankees than what Seattle offered.

    Beltran took less to play for the Yankees than what AZ offered.

    You can get a lot of happiness from money, but it’s not *all* about money (or shouldn’t be), especially past a certain point.
    =====================
    No doubt this is Hal’s philosophy and the reason he didn’t want in when George wanted to hand it off to the “young elephants in the room.”

    Much better to make up your team with gamers. Says something about what’s going on inside.

  135. Jerkface December 23rd, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Ellsbury took less to play for the Yankees than what Seattle offered.

    We dont know what Seattle offered, but Boras generally does not take his clients there because while they sometimes offer more money, its usually structured weird or not all guaranteed. Cano is the first guy they really went all out for with a huge GUARANTEED contract.

    Their offer to Josh Hamilton was technically bigger than the Angels, but in reality was probably worth less.

    And again it doesn’t really disprove my / gabe kapler’s point when it is a big deal that Ellsbury’s contract had to beat Crawfords. He said it like this: When you get up to that level where the contracts are huge, its never so much about the need for the extra money but about the level of respect in the number and its how those top tier players compare themselves to their peers. If you think you’re a better player than guy X you want to make more money than him.

  136. 4TrainNorth December 23rd, 2013 at 11:57 am

    This has got to be the oldest lineup in baseball, no?

  137. bbb51 December 23rd, 2013 at 11:58 am

    vs rhp I want the two rabbits hitting 1-2. I leadoff Gardner and put Ellsbury #2 as he should be better at driving in runs than Gardner.

    Unless Jeter is hitting very well vs rhp, then I reconsider.

  138. mick December 23rd, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Girardi will, no doubt, have a few rabbits up his sleeve, when it comes to lineups.

  139. pkyankfan69 December 23rd, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    From RAB

    Via Kevin Kernan: The Yankees have shown some interest in right-hander Grant Balfour after his two-year contract with the Orioles fell apart. They had interest in him earlier this offseason as well. Baltimore didn’t like something they found in Balfour’s shoulder during the pre-signing physical and walked away.

    I wrote about potentially swooping in to sign Balfour at a discounted rate over the weekend. The Yankees need bullpen help, specifically late-inning bullpen help, and he’d be a really nice addition as long as he’s healthy. That’s not a given but two doctors have checked him out since the fiasco with the O’s and insist he’s healthy. Besides, whoever signs Balfour at this point will perform a super-thorough physical of their own anyway.

  140. mick December 23rd, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Balfour fits in with the type of player Hal seems to have been getting leadership-wise.
    McCann, Ellsbury, Beltran even Roberts are all leaders.
    Combined with Jeter they have a winning way about them.

  141. Chip December 23rd, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    I would flip Gardner and Roberts in Vic’s lineup but that’s about it. You could also flip Tex and McCann.

  142. bbb51 December 23rd, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    mick December 23rd, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    Balfour fits in with the type of player Hal seems to have been getting leadership-wise.
    McCann, Ellsbury, Beltran even Roberts are all leaders.
    Combined with Jeter they have a winning way about them.

    Hal seems to be a reserved guy and I think that may play a part in what types of players they like on the team. Swisher, gone. Joba the Mouth, gone. Cano went Hollywood, gone (not the only reason of course). Pierzynski, never even mentioned even though seemed like a good fit. You can start to see a pattern.

  143. Chip December 23rd, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    With the addition of Chris Perez the Dodgers now have three former closers setting up for Kenley Janssen (Perez, League and Wilson)

  144. Yankeeclipper December 23rd, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    I hope we sign Balfour. We need to have more than DROb at back end as closer. One of DROb’s weaknesses is his lack of pitch efficiency. He often takes 25-35 pitches as set up guy. As a closer he is not going to be able to go 3 days in a row as closer so we will need a 2nd closer to spell him in spots and also give us more back end pen insurance.

  145. Yankee Dog December 23rd, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    4TrainNorth December 23rd, 2013 at 11:57 am

    This has got to be the oldest lineup in baseball, no?

    ===========

    Read Sherman’s article LOL !

    http://nypost.com/2013/12/21/y…..-the-ages/

  146. Yankee Dog December 23rd, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    YankeeClipper

    Are you in Florida ?

  147. Cashmoney December 23rd, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    I like what LAD are doing with the back end of their pen. Wilson and Perez give em options and experiences.

  148. bbb51 December 23rd, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Wilson and Perez is one crazy bullpen.

  149. Against All Odds December 23rd, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    bbb51 December 23rd, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    ———–

    And if all those character guys don’t work out what happens??? I don’t mind teams bringing in players that fit a certain mold. But organizations go too far either way. You can’t have a team full of high character guys or a team full of loud/ Hollywood guys. It’s similar to when the D’backs decided let’s have all gritty players on our ball club.

  150. Chip December 23rd, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Sherman’s article, as per usual, is a manipulation of the facts to serve a narrative.

    Did the Yankees get older? Yes and no. Their bench got older (as it stands now) with Ichiro, Ryan, Wells and Cervelli replacing Nunez, Nix, Almonte and Romine and in the field they are getting older at SS because a healthy Jeter is replacing Nunez and Nix and Roberts is replacing Cano. But they’re also getting younger with Beltran replacing Ichiro, Ellsbury replacing Granderson, Tex replacing Overbay and Johnson replacing (for now) Alex.

  151. mick December 23rd, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    No mention of Andy as far as getting younger.
    Well, Mo was ageless…

  152. mick December 23rd, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    But organizations go too far either way.
    =====================
    Have we?

  153. hardwired7 December 23rd, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Yankees bashing gets clicks and sells papers. Especially in NY, where the mouth-breathing Mets fans are always ready to vent after years and years of being the city’s red-headed stepchild.

  154. rl1856 December 23rd, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Bret The Hitman:

    RE- “professor”

    “”"”"”"Pharmacist has that loyalty. Professor is more non-committal and wishy washy. She has left 2 dates early, postponed 2 others and disappeared over break saying she will reevaluate once the dust settles after break and she knows more about where I’m going next. Every date has been like a really intense interview. She asks probing questions, things I prefer not to discuss, stuff that would require my answers to make some careful omissions. I told her she should be an investigative journalist. She wants to get a PhD in paleoanthro. I don’t see her leaving her current job – ever.”"”"”

    It appears that the prof is setting the ground rules for your relationship. It will be on her terms.

    You have 3 choices-

    Agree and know that your interests will be secondary
    Pushback to establish boundaries and (hopefully) balance
    End it

    Good luck.

  155. Chip December 23rd, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    I’m always more concerned with getting better rather than getting younger.

  156. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Chip-

    W that attitude you will.

    :)

  157. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    I don’t need to do a thing.

    I’m already imperfect.

    :)

  158. MTU December 23rd, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Time moves so quickly.

    Only a month and a half or so until P/C report.

    Incredible isn’t it.

    ;)

  159. blake December 23rd, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Chip says:
    December 23, 2013 at 12:41 pm
    I’m always more concerned with getting better rather than getting younger.

    Ideally you’d like to so both at the same time

  160. DaSaint007 December 23rd, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Hey fellas,

    Just catching up. ROFL @ Bret. Buddy, for what it’s worth, I waited 40+ years to pull the trigger, but when I did, I made sure she was 9 years younger. Enjoy your choices, have fun, but then when it’s time, don’t settle. You don’t have to agree on everything, but you have to be compatible on the major things, like raising children, keeping a household together, lifestyles, etc. Don’t see how you and the pharmacist will coexist for long, but you never know!

    Now, back to our regular programming:
    Hope we can swoop in on Balfour, as he’d be a great complement/backup to Robertson, as many have stated.

  161. YankeeRay December 23rd, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Can’t believe no one wrote it even though many probably thought it. In old school Steinbrenner fashion this could have been our line up.

    Ellsbury cf
    Beltran rf
    Cano 2b
    Soriano dh
    McCann c
    Arod 3b
    Tex 1b
    Jeter ss
    Gardner lf

  162. David in Cal December 23rd, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    In 2012, which was a good year for Jeter, his OPS against RH pitching was only .723. He won’t hit that well in 2014. Jeter should not bat 2nd against a RH starter. But, he will.


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