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Splitting up 1,285 lost games

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 27, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Curtis Granderson

It’s hard to put this sort of raw number into context, but here’s the basic figure we’re dealing with: Yankees players spent 1,285 games on the Major League disabled list in 2013.

I’ve been working on some year-in-review stuff, and the injuries are hard to ignore when discussing the past 12 months. I don’t the injuries alone carry the blame for an 85-win season, but they certainly played a significant role. All seven Yankees who spent more than half of the year on the Major League disabled list might have played huge roles if not for the injuries. And even some of those players’ replacements wound up missing significant time.

This is the way 1,285 lost games broke down last season. These are only counting games spent on the big league disabled list. Manny Banuelos spent the whole year on the disabled list, but all of it was on the minor league DL (that said, you could certainly make a strong case that he would have been in the big leagues if not for the elbow issue). Here are the games missed for each Yankees player who spent time on the Major League DL this year.

Mark TeixeiraMark Teixeira
146 games
Torn right wrist tendon sheath

Derek Jeter
145 games
Fractured left ankle, strained right quadriceps, sprained right calf

Kevin Youkilis
125 games
Sprained lumbar spine

Alex Rodriguez
110 games
Recovery from left hip surgery

Curtis Granderson
98 games
Broken right wrist, broken left hand

Francisco Cervelli, Steve DonohueFrancisco Cervelli
89 games (missed another 50 games on the restricted list)
Fractured right hand

Michael Pineda
88 games
Right rotator cuff tendinitis

Cesar Cabral
66 games
Recovery from left elbow surgery

David Phelps
62 games
Strained right forearm

Jayson Nix
60 games
Strained right hamstring, broken left hand

Eduardo NunezEduardo Nunez
56 games
Strained left oblique

Travis Hafner
53 games
Strained right rotator cuff

Zoilo Almonte
45 games
Sprained left ankle

Joba Chamberlain
27 games
Strained right oblique

Ivan Nova
24 games
Inflamed right triceps

Corban Joseph
22 games
Right shoulder surgery

Vidal Nuno
21 games
Strained left groin

Luis CruzLuis Cruz
20 games
Sprained right knee

Andy Pettitte
15 games
Strained left trapezius muscle

CC Sabathia
9 games
Strained left hamstring

Phil Hughes
4 games
Sore upper back

Associated Press photos

 
 

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147 Responses to “Splitting up 1,285 lost games”

  1. BoJo December 27th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    If only we had those 20 games Luis Cruz missed back, we could have been a contender.

  2. BoJo December 27th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    We coulda been a contender. We coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what we are, let’s face it. It was you, Luis.

  3. BoJo December 27th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    BTW–here is a little rare gem. Brando screen test for Rebel Without A Cause.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UbNHvaI3tg

  4. Mike Ri December 27th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    No excuses..
    BUT..damn we were a hurting team last year

  5. coney1 December 27th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Hey guys,

    I am heading to the Pinstripe Bowl tomorrow. Game is at Noon. What time would you recommend I get to the stadium. I am driving from central NJ. Thanks!

  6. pete2 December 27th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    I read somewhere the Yankees lost 5 WAR more than the Red Sox due to injuries.

    In the end, it was the pitching that did them in. The pitching was relatively healthy and a strength until they wore down the final 6 weeks. CC’s down year hurt. If the pitching could have held up they may have grabbed a WC spot.

    Also, Jeter, Arod and Pineda injuries occurred before the offseason, so the team had an opportunity to prepare. They signed 2 injury prone players for 3B and DH, so no surprise Youkilis and Hafner went down. Jeter being out as long as he was was unexpected, but they should have had an adequate backup for a 39 yo SS coming off a serious injury. Nunez alas was barely adequate and also injured, again.

    Granderson and Tex injuries certainly hurt, although they got a decent replacement for Tex in Overbay. Wells for Granderson was a huge downgrade.

    Their decision to go with Ichiro and Stewart at RF and C to replace Swisher and Martin really hurt them. Ichiro had a 522 OPS in the 2nd half and killed them, and he made a couple of bone head plays in the OF, and Stewart/Romine were automatic outs. Cervellis PED suspension did not help

    So injuries were a part of last years tale of woe, but certainly not the whole story.

    This year injuries could play a role as well. They have a 40 yo SS coming off a serious injury, a wrist injury to Tex that he is still not 100% recovered from. Ellsbury, McCann and Roberts have had injury issues. Also, Beltran, Kuroda and Soriano are old. Like last year, thanks to a failing farm system, depth may be a real issue.

    Still, with a bit of luck and a dash of Tanaka, Drew and Rodney, they might have enough to overcome a couple of injuries.

  7. Yankee Dog December 27th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    blake December 27th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    If Alex wasn’t such a malcontent and circus show then Id like him in the role I want Baker for…..they need to sign Drew and stop even considering that Arod exists rigt now

    ==========

    Agree totally

  8. Yankee Dog December 27th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    BoJo December 27th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    BTW–here is a little rare gem. Brando screen test for Rebel Without A Cause.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UbNHvaI3tg

    ==========

    Baseball Blog ?

  9. dan l December 27th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    If the Rays rotation stayed healthy the Yankees wouldn’t have sniffed the post season in September…

  10. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    OUCH!

    it hurts just thinking about last year.

  11. dan l December 27th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    All this I want Drew stuff is just plain DUMB! He is not that good…Why do you like him?

  12. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    A-who???

  13. Yankee Dog December 27th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Why would we sign another INF like Drew when we have already signed Roberts and Kelly Johnson ? Plus Nunez is still on the team who I believe they haven’t given up on yet.

    Priorities …………

    SP – Tanaka or other
    BP – Balfour or other
    Bench – Role Players

    Please explain …………….

  14. Yankee Dog December 27th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Do you really (honestly) think ARoid is going to be healthy and productive ?

    His circus sideshow of law suits won’t be a distraction ? (Focusing all the attention on himself at the same time which he thrives on)

    This is a dead weight, dead end contract for a self centered cheater who needs to disappear.

    Maybe he can open his own ‘clinic’, I mean really, he has lots of experience in that field apparently …………

  15. joeman December 27th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
    A-who???
    —————————-
    ARod will be back

  16. Yankee Dog December 27th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    ARod will be back

    =======

    Oh boy !

  17. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    yes we know he’ll be back, THAT’S the problem.

    he’s like a bad penny or in this case a bad quarter billion dollars.

  18. pkyankfan69 December 27th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    Did we sign Tanaka yet?

  19. mick December 27th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    I still see platoons at 2nd and 3rd till arod gets back which i think will be in june.
    right now we have johnson, roberts and nunez to rotate but i think they are getting baker.
    roberts won’t play everyday and will face rightys so baker could play against southpaws.
    they could try nunez/johnson at 3rd if they don’t get either reynolds or young who might want too much.

  20. mick December 27th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    I question what they do with Ryan if Jeter stays healthy.
    His only purpose is to play SS if Jeter goes down.
    He can’t hit so I think they are hoping Jete makes it to the ASB , by then they could make a move for Astrubal for the 2nd 1/2. Hopefully Cleveland is out of it.
    Drew won’t come here to backup.

  21. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    i make no assumptions about jeter.

    i assume they need ryan and expect him to play quite a bit.

  22. BoJo December 27th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Ryan will get his playing time in defensive subbing and when DJ DHs.

  23. mick December 27th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    How many IF’s can they carry?
    Now they have Tex, Roberts, Jeter, Johnson, Nunez, Ryan.
    They need a BU1B and they covet Baker.
    Ichiro ,Wells and Nunez would have to go.
    Baker would be the 5th OF.
    Plus the 2 catchers, it doesn’t add up.
    They could get Baker and Johnson could BU1B.

  24. BoJo December 27th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Great quote from JP Riccardi:

    “One of the things that is happening in baseball right now, that I scratch my head with [is that] young players are so overvalued right now, and I think falls in with the draft picks, too,” Ricciardi says. “No one builds through the draft. You add through the draft.” Ricciardi says that, to him, proven big-league players are more valuable.

  25. blake December 27th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Not saying he’s wrong but Im not sure JP is the greatest source for how to value anything

  26. MTU December 27th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    “•New Marlins infielder Casey McGehee, who played with Tanaka for Rakuten last season, tells Juan C. Rodriguez of the Sun Sentinel that Tanaka is worth the hype. “His forkball is the best one I’ve seen. … He was really special with that pitch,” says McGehee. “Whoever gets him…it’s going to be money well spent.”

  27. bbb51 December 27th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    mick December 27th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
    How many IF’s can they carry?
    Now they have Tex, Roberts, Jeter, Johnson, Nunez, Ryan.
    They need a BU1B and they covet Baker.
    Ichiro ,Wells and Nunez would have to go.
    Baker would be the 5th OF.
    Plus the 2 catchers, it doesn’t add up.
    They could get Baker and Johnson could BU1B.

    Baker has started 73 games at 1B and played in 110 games there. .993 fld%. That’s good enough to be the backup.

  28. mick December 27th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Knicks are just a team of losers.

  29. Giuseppe Franco December 27th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    We saw when he returned in August that the A-Rod circus was a distraction for about a week and then the story died and the focus was all baseball after that.

    Many LoHudders complained that the spotlight would be on A-Rod 24/7 and would take the spotlight off Mo and his retirement tour.

    That obviously didn’t even come close to happening. We’d see the same thing happen in 2014 if/when he returns.

  30. Giuseppe Franco December 27th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    What does JP Riccardi know about building a championship team?

    His teams in TOR always underachieved and the Mets aren’t exactly perennial playoff contenders.

  31. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    “then the story died”

    sure, thats what happened…. :roll:

  32. mick December 27th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    So that does it.
    Get Baker who can BU1B and play against leftys at 2nd and be the 5th OF.
    Get rid of Ichiro and Wells.
    Platoon Johnson and Nunez at 3rd till Arod gets back.
    Forget Reynolds and Young who want too much and want to play everyday.
    The OF will be Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran, Soriano and Baker.
    The IF is Tex, Roberts/Baker, Jeter/Ryan, Johnson/Nunez.

  33. MTU December 27th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    We still need to plug that big hole in the middle of our rotation.

    And we could use a another experienced arm in the Pen.

    The rest of this stuff is basically just background noise.

  34. mick December 27th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    The rest of this stuff is basically just background noise.
    ======
    what stuff?

  35. MTU December 27th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Baker, etc.

  36. Giuseppe Franco December 27th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    “then the story died”

    sure, thats what happened…. :roll:

    ——

    Say what you want but it clearly wasn’t the daily soap opera after the first week like most people expected it to be.

  37. mick December 27th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Baker, etc.
    ======
    thats noise?

  38. MTU December 27th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Absolutely Mick.

    To me it is.

    He’s a bit player. No more.

  39. DaSaint007 December 27th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    noise it is…

    Tanaka + Balfour + Young and I’m good till ST.

  40. MTU December 27th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    If Baker was really all that important he would already have been inked.

  41. mick December 27th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    We still need to plug that big hole in the middle of our rotation.
    =================
    Right.
    Let’s pound it home every day, ad infinitum…ad nauseam.

  42. jmills December 27th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    Go for it, mick! :D

  43. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    i was unaware until now how unusually high tanaka’s innings are at such a young age.

    ” Had Tanaka been raised in the American way of pitching, there’s no way that he would have been allowed to throw 1,315 innings by his age 24 season — which he did in Japan”

    from tom verducci: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  44. jmills December 27th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    rtsp://r8—sn-jc47eu7l.googlevideo.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQnVKAeKIxGSfxMYJCAkFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYOWmtbK2zNzaUAw=/0/0/0/video.3gp

    mick, Zombies ( they should be in the hall )

  45. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    more from verducci:
    “Every long-term signing of a pitcher carries risk, but this one carries more than most, because there are so many unknowns for so much money.”

  46. Hankflorida December 27th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    BoJo December 27th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
    BTW–here is a little rare gem. Brando screen test for Rebel Without A Cause.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UbNHvaI3tg

    Great watching the screen test! How great Marlon was there was no comparing him for this part with Dean. When I saw Dean in his first movie, “East of Eden,” I was completely blown away by his performance and thought he was perfect for both “Rebel and “Giant.” Dean, Brando, Newman and Steiger were all in the forefront of method acting which today is a lost art.

  47. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    “MLB wary that Masahiro Tanaka might ‘repay’ Japanese team”

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/.....z2ojwVCIEv

    i don’t see why mlb cares what tanaka chooses to do with the money he earns.

  48. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    i guess they are concerned that tanaka promised to repay them in order to buy his freedom.

    it would be hard to prove though.

  49. Jerkface December 27th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    ad Tanaka been raised in the American way of pitching, there’s no way that he would have been allowed to throw 1,315 innings by his age 24 season — which he did in Japan

    Except that Kershaw, CC, Felix Hernandez, Justin Verlander (if you count NCAA), Maddux, Glavine, Roger Clemens, Matt Cain, Barry Zito counting college, Zach Greinke, all did that????

    I stopped looking but generally if you’re good and young you’ll throw a lot of innings. There are good pitchers who did not, but thats because they werent good when they were young. And of course all these things talk about the stressful innings and overuse. Japanese league by these standards is less stressful and they throw less overall due to the extra rest.

  50. Jerkface December 27th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Yu Darvish did it as well, and he turned out A-ok in the majors. This innings stuff is bunk. He is a pitcher so there is always injury risk, but that Verducci article is fear mongering and ill researched.

  51. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    since you haven’t disproven anything he wrote, i’d have to disagree with your “ill researched” comment.

    i dont think anyone counts ncaa innings as being on par with pitching in the npb.

  52. Jerkface December 27th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    i dont think anyone counts ncaa innings as being on par with pitching in the npb.

    Yea they are probably worse since College coaches run them hard. He said ‘theres no way he would have been allowed to throw that many innings in the MLB’ when lots of good MLB pitchers have already done it INCLUDING VERY GOOD PITCHERS PITCHING TODAY.

    So wow, great statement, Verducci, very good. His entire basis of using this as an article setup is that he is counting NPB innings the same as MLB innings, when the excuse for minor league innings not counting is that they are ‘less stressful’. How can you consider NPB innings equally stressful to MLB innings? The batters are worse, they pitch on more rest, they don’t throw an extraordinary amount of pitches per game. Tanaka was so good its highly likely many of his innings were unstressful.

  53. Jerkface December 27th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    I think that entire article comes from a false premise pretty much, Ys Guy.

  54. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    so i guess every ncaa inning is stressful while tanaka’s npb innings weren’t. interesting take.

    it’ll be years before we know if verducci’s point was important or not. but with the length of contract he will likely get, it is something to look at.

  55. Yankee Dog December 27th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    “Every long-term signing of a pitcher carries risk, but this one carries more than most, because there are so many unknowns for so much money:

    ==========

    There is risk walking across the street downtown at 5pm too

  56. Jerkface December 27th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    so i guess every ncaa inning is stressful while tanaka’s npb innings weren’t. interesting take.

    Ys Guy, either all the innings count or only MLB’s innings count imo. I don’t buy NPB being equally stressful to MLB while ignoring the minors and NCAA. We know that some colleges abuse their pitchers, like Vanderbilt, so are those college innings stressful while others aren’t? Essentially the whole idea with ‘stressful’ innings is that pitchers are throwing max effort, it takes a toll on their body, they are throwing a lot of pitchers in an inning, etc.

    The reasoning guys like Verducci use on not including minor league innings is that good prospects tend to dominate the minors, they don’t throw a lot of pitches per innings, and they can get guys out without maximum effort. Tanaka basically did that in the NPB, but now he is suddenly being compared to Fernando Valenzuela throwing in the majors?

  57. Yankee Dog December 27th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    “MLB wary that Masahiro Tanaka might ‘repay’ Japanese team”

    ========

    He can pay whomever or whatever he wants with the type of cash he will get.

    Doesn’t really matter as long as he is in Yankee Pinstripes at ST

  58. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    the yankees dont really have any choice but to sign him and hope its not an issue.

    with cc not looking ace like and questions about kuroda, the have to do something. and they dont have the chips to aquire a top of the rotation starter for this year.

    so they have to go for tanaka.

  59. Jerkface December 27th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    Even if you don’t want to include minor league innings, CC Sabathia threw 1200 innings by age 25. But because it doesn’t meet the arbitrary amount of innings that Tanaka threw in the NPB it wasn’t included in the article.

  60. Yankee Dog December 27th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    From MLBTR:

    MLB To Prevent Tanaka From Donating To Old Team
    By Charlie Wilmoth [December 27 at 10:19pm CST]

    Major League Baseball will make sure Masahiro Tanaka’s Japanese team, the Rakuten Golden Eagles, does not receive more than its $20MM posting fee as a result of Tanaka’s departure to the US, Bill Shaikin and Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times report. That means that Tanaka cannot donate money to Rakuten.

    Rakuten’s president, Yozo Tachibana, had previously said that Tanaka intended to give money to Rakuten to improve its stadium. Rakuted has reportedly investigated adding a dome. Tanaka would, according to Tachibana, “cooperate and donate . . . starting with improving the environment for the players and to make sure it’s the kind of stadium that can be loved by [local] fans.”

    Such a donation would violate the agreement between MLB and NPB, which forbids NPB teams from receiving any money beyond a player’s posting fee. “We are intent on enforcing all the provisions of the agreement,” says MLB spokesperson Pat Courtney.

  61. Yankee Dog December 27th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    ‘with cc not looking ace like and questions about kuroda, the have to do something. and they dont have the chips to aquire a top of the rotation starter for this year’

    ======================

    Exactly AND the FA crop out there now is crapola

  62. Jerkface December 27th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    MLB sucks.

  63. Yankee Dog December 27th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    Tanaka is less of a risk than ARoid is for the remainder of his contract

  64. Ys Guy December 27th, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    richard justice says go all in:
    “Tanaka may prove to be high-yield investment
    Japanese right-hander possesses rare elite stuff to warrant long-term contract”

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....y=news_mlb

  65. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    rangers coo not souding like they will go big after tanaka:

    “”We’re probably comfortable where we are in terms of financial commitments,” Rangers co-chairman Bob Simpson said. “Tanaka would be a tough thing. We aggressively went after Yu, who we are fortunate to have. I guess I should never say never, but at the moment, we’re more interested in just rounding out our team than marquee players.”

  66. dansyankees77 December 28th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    Jeter and Tex are the biggest injury risk concerns going into 2014. if those two guys just stay in the lineup throughout the season they dont have to do anything flashy, we got some new blood for that. just make regular appearances and stay off the dl.

  67. Hankflorida December 28th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    In 2012 without Mo and a pitching staff of Kuroda, CC, Nova, Hughes, Pettite and Garcia, the Yankees made it into October. The chances that the Yankees will get Tanaka are not looking that good, so Warren, Phelps, Nuno and Pineda may have to round out the rotation, and the Yanks will have to depend on the bats getting them to the dance floor like in 2012.

  68. Yankee Dog December 28th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    Probably so after acquiring Fielder and Choo ………

  69. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    Good luck enforcing that, mlb. :roll:

  70. Blojaldo December 28th, 2013 at 12:34 am

    What are the chances Roberts stays healthy? I like our lineup a lot.

  71. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    Roberts was healthy the last 3 months of 2013 and looks like he played nearly every game, mostly at second base, so maybe he can.

  72. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 12:43 am

    Healthy and a terrible hitter, money well spent.

  73. Blojaldo December 28th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    Hope so. But his not having played more than 77 games since 2009 doesn’t make me think that will be the case. Plus he’s 35 years old.

  74. Blojaldo December 28th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    . . . and if it doesn’t work out, $2 million dollars isn’t going to make anyone lose any sleep.

  75. Blojaldo December 28th, 2013 at 1:02 am

    As to the lineup, I for one won’t miss Granderson’s strikeouts. I hope Girardi goes Beltran, Soriano, McCann, Teixiera (3-6) against righties or lefties. If you want to switch Soriano and Teixiera against righties fine.

  76. Tar December 28th, 2013 at 1:14 am

    “As to the lineup, I for one won’t miss Granderson’s strikeouts.”

    Soriano K’s nearly as much as Grandy….. and walks a lot less. If you are basically swapping the two, I really don’t think there is much of a difference.

  77. Blojaldo December 28th, 2013 at 1:42 am

    No one said you’re swapping them. Besides Soriano was on the Yankees last season – if you’re swapping anyone for Granderson it’s Ellsbury. In any event it was time for a change and I like this new lineup a lot.

  78. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 3:37 am

    @JimBowdenESPNxm 1m

    The best MLB comparison for Masahiro Tanaka is Dan Haren circa 2006-2011. Great command and a 70 split

    Jim Bowden pls credit me when you take my posts tia

  79. Kelvin December 28th, 2013 at 3:49 am

    Good comp. I actually remember you saying this last month, I think.

    If he’s dan haren, sign us up ASAP! ;)

  80. blake December 28th, 2013 at 6:40 am

    “Jim Bowden pls credit me when you take my posts tia”

    Dan Haren from the late 2000s would be pretty awesome

  81. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 7:08 am

    A clutch Jimmy Key would be nice. I’m not big on the Jays trading more favourable prospects; I want to experience what Marcus Stroman and Aaron Sanchez are. I can’t see Toronto being in on ” crazy ” Tanaka money, although,……I don’t really know that much when it comes down to it. I think I’m numb and arguably debilitated from years of Maple Leaf abuse.

  82. blake December 28th, 2013 at 7:28 am

    Dan Haren 2006-2011 was a 3.46 era 126 ERA+ pitcher with a 1.1 whip…..

    If tanaka is that then he will be worth every penny

  83. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Tanaka Time

  84. GregD December 28th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    I would love for the Yanks to sign Tanaka……..I’m not sure they will do much else if they do…….I don’t see Drew signing with us….he wants to get paid big money and he wants to be a SS…….he should play SS but he doesn’t deserve big money…….

  85. Yankee Trader December 28th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Good morning.

    Tanaka will be in Tokyo on the 26th and 27th for various events. He will have the day off from the 28th to the 30th. He will be a guest judge for the 64th NHK Kohaku Utagassen on the 31st. He has plans to work out with Takahiro Norimoto in January. [Sponichi 12/26/2013]

    Sounds like Close will narrow down the teams and then Tanaka will visit?

    6/102 on the low side
    7/140 on the high side
    Higher?

    Yankee, Mariner, Angel, Cub, Red Sox, or Dodger?

  86. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    joeman, its been Tanaka time, forever. I’m going to have one foot in the grave before this thing’s over.

  87. Yankee Trader December 28th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    Still need work in the BP- too many ? Marks there.
    A third baseman would be nice.

  88. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    i would not be surprised if tanaka doesnt come to the states until he’s already signed.

  89. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    YT, everybody else asleep in the house? I can’t sleep in anymore – certain sign that I’m past it :D

  90. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Ys, a lot of people lost hydro here ongoing and the expense of Christmas food gone bad. A very sad case of a generator run in a garage, resulting in carbon monoxide poisoning. I got lucky, no outage in my dwelling.

  91. 86w183 December 28th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Good morning all —-

    Hope that the next two weeks brings us Tanaka and an A-Rod ruling.

    Interesting piece on the injury list…. Puts into perspective what they went thru last year. Also a reminder that this club is older and just as susceptible to injuries.

  92. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Tiger Tanaka.

  93. Yankee Trader December 28th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Blake

    Kenta Maeda on posting to fans during an event on Thursday: “It could be as early as the year after next. I will do my best for a chance to play in the Majors. I want to become a player teams want.”
    Source: Daily Sports 12/27/2013

    Next best pitcher?

  94. Yankeeclipper December 28th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    I am predicting a 8/$140 to 8/$160 M contract for Tanaka with an opt out at end of year 4 or 5. The opt out will help reset the market for Tanaka when he is 29/30. Thus, Tanaka can get two big pay days in MLB

    I think the contract will go $140 M + due to bidding environment for a pitcher who is 25 years old. We have to figure that one of the clubs mainly Yanks, Mariners and possibly the Cubs will attempt to pre-empt the bidding environment and that will drive this contact north of $140M.

    I think our biggest competitor will be the Mariners since they are likely to overshoot market to get 2nd big FA acquisition to match Cano. It is less a stretch to think that geographically and culturally Tanaka will find some reasons for choosing Seattle but in the end I think the Yanks will prevail since NY will give him the biggest stage and we will give him a bigger contract.

  95. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:11 am

    The negative side of me says this Tanaka person isn’t going to be anywhere near, Darvish. Convince me that I’m wrong, and I’ll try and run down, double A.

  96. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Japan supplies Pitchers.

    Cuba supplies position players.

    :)

  97. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Where did Juan Marichal come from?

  98. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    I’m content to let the Yankees decide exactly how far they want to go.

  99. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Mills-

    Mr. and Mrs. Marichal.

    ;)

  100. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Stanley, if the Jays had just wisely pulled in Darvish, I wouldn’t be wrapped up in this fine mess, I’d be out tweaking snowmobiles or something.

  101. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Hughes should have learned Mr. Splitty. He was a natural for it IMO.

    A 70 splitter is practically unhittable.

    Long been an advocate.

    Guess the Japanese agree w me.

    :)

  102. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    MTU, I can always count on you for clarity…

  103. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    sorry to hear about the power outages mills, we went through that this time last year.

    we went without power for 11 days in the house, but the restaurant never lost power.

    we had SHU students sitting in the aisles charging up their electronics. it was kinda fun till we went home to the dark, cold house.

  104. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Mills-

    More likely to be a wiseacre.

    :)

  105. 86w183 December 28th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    Juan Marichal was maybe the first Dominican superstar in MLB. He’s one of the guys (like Catfish Hunter and others) that I cite as players whose Hall of Fame credentials are no better than Mussina, Pettitte, Morris, Tommy John, Jim Kaat et al

  106. Yankee Trader December 28th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Tanaka has already stated that he wants to give back to the Rakuten Eagles. Casey Close and his client, Hideki Matsui, developed a working monetary partnership with the Yankees and his Japanese team.

    That could play a big part in Tanaka coming to NY-what better place to bring in revenue from endorsements, memerobilia, etc? LA?

  107. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    But what a leg kick.

    Could have been a Rockette.

    :)

  108. 86w183 December 28th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Even if the Mariners are ready willing and able to do more stupid spending they need to do it for a hitter or two or three. They already have a good rotation in place. They need to sign Nelson Cruz and Kendrys Morales.

  109. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    YT-

    Smellig and other jealous owners are always seeking ways to blunt the power of the NYY’s.

    But this year Hal is just flipping them the bird.

    :)

  110. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    As long as the money is close teams like the M’s and Cubs are not serious competition for the Yankees.

    The Dodgers would be. As would any really competitive Team.

  111. Yankee Trader December 28th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Hughes should have learned Mr. Splitty. He was a natural for it IMO.
    ———-
    That was one of Hughes’ big problems- his learning curve. He was too stubborn. He knew he needed to work on throwing a change up more often, but shrugged off the pitch and went with the fastball. There always seemed to be something that he knew he needed to work on,But never did.

    Am I off base here?

  112. blake December 28th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Wonder if the different ball size will affect Tanakas split…..at least initially…..that kinda a feel pitch.

    I expect tanaka will have some growing pains…..even Darvish did….

  113. 86w183 December 28th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    It’ll be interesting if Kenta Maeda is posted. He may not warrant the max fee, but most MLB people like him, though not nearly as much as they like Tanaka.

    both are 25-year-old righties…. so it’s a nice infusion of young talent no matter what.

  114. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    I was driving along small country roads on Tuesday; the ice weighing down the trees and the sun were so beautiful that I wanted to take pictures, but I didn’t due to the fact it was keep both hands on the wheel ’cause you don’t know what’s coming up next reality, let alone you’re half blinded by the bright light upon the snow.

  115. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Que sera sera.

    We don’t get TT we get Garza.

    Depends on how ridiculous the bidding gets.

  116. Yankee Trader December 28th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    MTU

    If the Mariners get Tanaka, couldn’t they be the Rays if the West? Great starting pitching, an all star in the infield, surrounded by a lot of role players?

  117. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Blake-

    I’ve thought about that.

    It will affect his grip.

    And the added weight might be a factor too.

    I think he is so good w the pitch that he should be able to adjust rather quickly.

    Because of the change in size and weight my prediction is that his Split will have additional drop.

    Which is even better.

    Maybe it goes from a 70 to a 75.

    :)

  118. Yankee Trader December 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Juan Marichal

    One of my favorite pitchers with the high keg kick

  119. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Que sera, sera, Doris Day seemed like a pretty nice person on that show.

  120. blake December 28th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Bobby V says his split is the best in the world MTU…..we both agree it’s a pitch that really gives hitters fits in the game right now

  121. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Maeda is a good pitcher in the npb but likely a back end guy or reliever eg uehara in mlb. He isn’t on the same level as tanaka. He should probably go to Oakland or Seattle to take advantage of the pitchers parks

  122. 86w183 December 28th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    YT —-

    I don’t think you are off base at all. Hughes never made progress with the change, rarely threw it when it matters.

    Not sure if he’s a natural for a splitter or not. The natural spread between your index and middle fingers is the key. I tried throwing one and it almost always hung because I had a small spread for a split. The one time I wedged it in deep enough it was a beautiful pitch, but it hurt like a SOB. Thus my splitter career ended at the ripe old age of 15.

    Remember when Roger Craig was teaching everyone the split. He was a genius until several of his pupils started developing arm problems. I’ve always been convinced that some of them just weren’t built right for that pitch.

  123. Yankee Trader December 28th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    I thought I read where the ball in Japan just this past year was lighter, accounting for an increase in homeruns and might’ve attributed to Balentein’s home run record.

  124. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    YT-

    Hughes was a tinkerer.

    Too much so.

    He never settled in on a good working combo.

    I think it was only at the very end that LR taught Phil the split.

    One wonders why it took him so long for the light bulb to go on ?

    IMO unless the M’s make another ridiculous offer I don’t see them getting Tanaka.

    They need more O more than more pitching IMO.

  125. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    Why is Fernando Venezuela from Mexico?

  126. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Npb changed the ball to be closer in size to the mlb ball so the change should not be a big deal.

  127. Yankee Trader December 28th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Was Elroy Face of the Porates,the first successful pitcher to use the splitter- forkball in those days?

  128. Yankee Trader December 28th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Pirates

  129. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    The idea that the split can cause any more arm issues than many other off speed pitches is a myth.

    A hard slider takes way more of a toll on the arm than a split ever will.

  130. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Did the weight of a baseball alter from the days of Home Run Baker as compared to the swinging 20′s?

  131. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Jack Morris Splitter, Dave Stieb undeniable Slider ( ask Rickie Henderson )

  132. blake December 28th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    JF,

    If tanaka really has good command and his split is as good as everyone says he really shouldn’t have much trouble in MLB……I wonder if he will have to go thought that learning curve that Yu did to learn to trust his fastball…..Darvish was too cutesy when he first came over but once he started pitching off his fastball he started dominating.

    Does tanaka use his fastball the way he will need to already or will he have to learn that?

  133. mick December 28th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Roy Face went something like 18-1 as a reliever in 59.
    Not a power pitcher but more or less made the fork ball famous.

  134. Yankeeclipper December 28th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    I agree that Mariners need a lot more hitting but this is a team run by management that is irrational. The Cano contract speaks to me of desperation and they will likely regret that signing.

    I see the Mariners going all out on Tanaka. Hopefully we will give him a better contract and NY has a lot more to offer over SEattle in terms of big stage and a team with rich tradition. Seattle and west coast trumps NY if geography is a factor — 6 hours closer to Japan.

    Yanks need to play up Matsui, Kuroda and Ichiro as being big reasons why a native from Japan should want to play in NY. I was at YS for Matsui bobblehead day event in July. Stadium was packed with fans from Japan who were there to celebrate MAtsui’s career. Tanaka should recognize that NY will be the stage to make him a folk hero back home!

  135. Yankee Trader December 28th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    MLB To Prevent Tanaka From Donating To Old Team
    By Charlie Wilmoth [December 27 at 10:19pm CST]
    Major League Baseball will make sure Masahiro Tanaka’s Japanese team, the Rakuten Golden Eagles, does not receive more than its $20MM posting fee as a result of Tanaka’s departure to the US, Bill Shaikin and Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times report. That means that Tanaka cannot donate money to Rakuten.

    Rakuten’s president, Yozo Tachibana, had previously said that Tanaka intended to give money to Rakuten to improve its stadium. Rakuten has reportedly investigated adding a dome. Tanaka would, according to Tachibana, “cooperate and donate . . . starting with improving the environment for the players and to make sure it’s the kind of stadium that can be loved by [local] fans.”

    Such a donation would violate the agreement between MLB and NPB, which forbids NPB teams from receiving any money beyond a player’s posting fee. “We are intent on enforcing all the provisions of the agreement,” says MLB spokesperson Pat Courtney.

    What about a working partnership between the Yankees and the Eagles, similar to what Casey Close developed for Hideki Matsui?

  136. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Blake-

    Even though Tanaka has excellent C and C he has never faced the level of competition that ML baseball
    represents.

    His FB is 3rd best offering behind his split and slider.

    One concern I would have is that w the higher level of competition he becomes more of a “nibbler”.

    He will have to trust his stuff even when he starts to get hit around a bit more.

    Having Kuroda around will ease his adjustment tremendously.

  137. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    I’ll say this, the Yankees have a better logo than I do. Mine is so busy and embarrassing; there’s this somewhat blue jay in profile flying a Canadian flag pinned to the back of its head.

  138. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Tanaka will have to make a # of adjustments.

    He has the stuff to do so and hopefully the conditioning and determination.

    Kuroda and Tanaka are a match made in Heaven.

    ;)

  139. Your Name Here December 28th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    This Japanese innings work load discussion sounds eerily familiar….. I wonder how that worked out?

    http://m.espn.go.com/general/s.....rc=desktop

  140. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Kuroda will teach Tanaka the way of the Samurai.

    :)

  141. Yankee Trader December 28th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Have to go leaving for the airport pick up my daughter .

    Everyone have a great day. Until later.

  142. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    YT, have a great time with your daughter, mine directs me :D

  143. pkyankfan69 December 28th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Good morning.

    Did we sign Tanaka yet?

    It’s going to be 50 outside today here in NJ!

  144. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Jmills,

    I feel your early wake up pain. Remember sleeping til noon? Now, it’s six. Ah, age.

  145. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    When Levine heard that Tanaka was available he began to drool all over himself thinking of the boost
    in Asian sales and interest.

    Ali-Frazier

    Darvish-Tanaka

    ;)

  146. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    austin, those were the days, Edith.

  147. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    proximo Hilo ——–>


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