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Pinstripe Bowl kicks off today at noon

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 28, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Kelly,  Kyle Flood

No matter what stadium it’s played in, a college football game is never going to have serious implications for the Yankees. The Pinstripe Bowl is not an important part of the Yankees offseason, but it’s a nice little sideshow; a kind of quirky connection to the sport that tends to grab our attention this time of year. That said, I’m far from a college football expert, so I’m going to leave these details to The Associated Press. Here are the basics on today’s game from the AP:

PINSTRIPE BOWL
No. 25 Notre Dame (8-4) vs. Rutgers (6-6), noon EST (ESPN).
Line: Notre Dame by 14.
Series record: Notre Dame 4-0.

WHAT’S AT STAKE
The Fighting Irish are trying to avoid a third 8-5 season in four years under coach Brian Kelly — a season after reaching the BCS championship with a perfect regular season. The Scarlet Knights are trying to salvage a disappointing season with what would be one of their biggest upsets in recent years.

KEY MATCHUP
Notre Dame WRs TJ Jones and DaVaris Daniels and TE Troy Niklas against Rutgers’ secondary. The Scarlet Knight’s pass defense has been among the worst in the country, suffering through a combination of inexperience and injuries. Rutgers is tied for 100th in yards per pass, 103rd in completion percentage allowed and 122nd in yards passing allowed per game. It’s bad. And Notre Dame’s receivers are very good.

PLAYERS TO WATCH
Notre Dame: DE Stephon Tuitt. The junior could be playing his final college game, with the NFL in his future. Tuitt wasn’t quite as good this season as he was in 2012, but he still lead the team with six sacks and had 13 quarterback hurries.
Rutgers: DE Darius Hamilton. The talented sophomore has improved as the season has gone on and leads the team with 10 tackles for loss. Hamilton’s ability to get pressure on QB Tommy Rees is the Scarlet Knights’ only hope to stop the pass.

FACTS & FIGURES
Rutgers has allowed at least 400 passing yards four times this season. … Notre Dame is 16-6-3 at Yankee Stadium. All but two of those games were against Army. … The Fighting Irish beat five teams that reached bowl games this season. The Scarlet Knights have no victories against teams that reached six wins. … Notre Dame is playing with two interim coordinators. Mike Denbrock runs the offense after Chuck Martin left for Miami, Ohio. Kerry Cooks took over the defense after Bob Diaco became head coach at UConn. … Rutgers has an interim defensive coordinator. Special teams coordinator Joe Rossi took over after Dave Cohen was fired … Rutgers RB Paul James needs 167 yards to reach 1,000 for the season, despite missing four games.

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596 Responses to “Pinstripe Bowl kicks off today at noon”

  1. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    More money in the Steinbrenner coffers.

  2. BD (Boston Dave) December 28th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Bowl games have become a joke.

    How many are there now??

  3. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Good thing the makers of “Charmin” aren’t sponsoring a bowl game.

    ;)

  4. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    jmills,

    Why do I have to be Edith? i’d rather be Archie.

  5. pkyankfan69 December 28th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Notre Dame was down this year… Losing Golson for the year really killed them… They should still roll over Rutgers who’s football team is just an embarrassment to NJ.

  6. blake December 28th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Does anybody care about the pinstripe bowl? Do even the teams playing in the game care about the Pinstripe bowl?

  7. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    It’s just money from an otherwise idle stadium.

    Other than that it counts for Bupkus.

    It’s featured in the new book “Gimmicks made simple”.

    :)

  8. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    New turf will be needed in the Spring anyway.

  9. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    So is Garza plan B ?

  10. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    No doubt I will be glued to the tube when the bowl game comes on. College football is great until the generally pointless bowl games.

    When is UT going to steal a good coach?

  11. pkyankfan69 December 28th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Last year’s Pinstripe Bowl was pretty awesome… Was a snow game which are always fun.

    This years Pinstripe Bowl is pretty much a recruiting tool for ND (and money maker of course)… They get to (likely) beat up on a cupcake in the Tri state area.

  12. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Where is “Bobcat” when you really need him ?

  13. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Wanzies222 has gone dark.

    :(

  14. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    MTU,

    Garza would be my plan B. i think you could rely on him being solid. Who knows what you get with Jiminez and to a lesser extent, Santana. Plan B could be Arroyo for a 1-2 year deal.

  15. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    And so we are left to wonder.

    How far are the Yankees willing to go ?

  16. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    MTU,

    Wanzies seemed to have good info. Real?

  17. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Mac-

    Arroyo sucks.

  18. pkyankfan69 December 28th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Mike Francessa would get a major sports boner if the Yanks signed his boy Arroyo

  19. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Mac-

    I thought so but what do I know ?

    ;)

  20. AAA December 28th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    How far are the Yankees willing to go ?

    =================

    On Tanaka? How far do you think they’ll have to go?

    I’m guessing 6/$125M

  21. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    AAA-

    No idea.

    I don’t even really have a guess.

  22. 86w183 December 28th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Who cares how many bowl games there are? You aren’t required to watch.

    I’d rather watch Notre Dame/Rutgers this afternoon than the other offerings from the TV programming geniuses.

    No one cared too much about Marshall/Maryland yesterday, but it was a very entertaining football game.

  23. 86w183 December 28th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Mike Francessa would get a major sports boner if the Yanks signed his boy Arroyo

    *****************************************************************

    there goes my breakfast…. thanx a lot

  24. blake December 28th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    I’d rather watch Notre Dame/Rutgers this afternoon than the other offerings from the TV programming geniuses.”

    Id rather just not watch TV personally but that’s me :)

  25. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    No matter where Tanaka winds up the dude has a winning lotto ticket he’s just waiting to
    collect on.

    ;)

  26. AAA December 28th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    No matter where Tanaka winds up the dude has a winning lotto ticket he’s just waiting to
    collect on.

    ======================

    He’s already won the “good timing” lotto. Now he’ll collect.

  27. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    pkyankfan69 December 28th, 2013 at 9:25 am
    Mike Francessa would get a major sports boner if the Yanks signed his boy Arroyo
    ——————————
    so would I

  28. MG December 28th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    I have hard time getting excited about a Japanese pitcher who I’ve never seen throw a baseball making the change from a Japanese to American baseball.

    The thought of wanting to throw $140M+ (contract plus posting fee) at him also turns my stomach.

    That is a minority opinion, of course, on LoHud and other blogs.

    Take the 100+ pitchers in the system and find one capable to putting together a decent season in rotation in the bigs.

    If he lasts two years, find another one.

    It’s the law of large numbers, there is absolutely a pitcher in the system that could fill that starting role at a small fraction of the cost of importing an unknown.

  29. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    AAA-

    I wonder if he makes loans ?

    :)

  30. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Bank of Tanaka.

    Insured by the New York Yankees.

  31. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    MG-

    There is no question that Tanaka represents a huge risk.

    Glad I’m not the one making that decision or putting my money at risk.

    ;)

  32. pkyankfan69 December 28th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Arroyo’s stuff is super meh, nothing to get excited about… Crazy thing though, he’s made at least 32 starts a year for the past 10 straight years… I don’t really want him on the Yanks but that sort of durability in today’s game is pretty remarkable.

  33. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    MTU,

    Arroya throws about 88, but walks no one. he is a poor man’s Weaver. he throws 200 innings every year and pitches pretty well in a hitter’s park. Ideal? Hardly, but I think he is more likely than the big buck trio.

    Of course, I would love to see what Tanaka can do, but I expect the team has a dollar limit above which they will not go. It depends on whether there is a crazy team out there. It wouldn’t surprise me to see a seven year, $150M offer.

  34. MG December 28th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:41 am
    MG-

    There is no question that Tanaka represents a huge risk.

    Glad I’m not the one making that decision or putting my money at risk.
    —————————-
    It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

    The Yankees dynasties of the ’50s and ’60s had no problem putting rookies in the rotation and watching them succeed.

    Bob Grim, Bill Stafford, Rollie Sheldon, they all pitched well for a year or two or three and then blew out their arms.

    Pitchers blowing out arms is a part of baseball that will never change, there is little scientific evidence to support any theory that building up innings, limiting pitch counts, etc, etc, etc has any affect on that.

    Pitching is just an unnatural motion, it’s part of the game.

    As I have mentioned before, the Yankees have over 100 pitchers in their system, finding 1 per year that can help them for that year shouldn’t be something so difficult to achieve.

    It’s not like assigning 3 unknowns (Hughes, Kennedy, Chamberlain) to multiple spots in the rotation before spring training starts, it’s taking the pitcher that proves himself in the spring and giving him the spot in the rotation-if he can’t handle it, go to the one who is pitching the best at the time you need to make a decision.

  35. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Mac-

    I hear you on Tanaka but Arroyo is a pale horse compared w the other options.

    He’s what’s left over after a good meal.

    I hope we do better is all.

    ;)

  36. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    MG-

    The Yankees simply do not operate in that fashion any longer.

    It’s just that simple.

    I do believe we can develop 1 guy at a time thru the 5 slot.

    That is reserved for Pineda/Phelps/Nuno/Warren this year.

    Next year I’m hoping it will be either Banuelos or J-Ram.

  37. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    MG,

    The problem with your theory is the Yankees have NO starting pitching in the upper levels that have shown ability to pitch reasonably effectively. You are suggesting two spots be used for pitchers who haven’t shown any sign of readiness. That is throwing in the towel, in my view.
    This isn’t the 1950s farm system.

    We would all love the farm to supply good players. The problem is in developing them in the minors.

  38. MG December 28th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:50 am
    MG-

    The Yankees simply do not operate in that fashion any longer.

    It’s just that simple.
    —————-
    MTU, I hear you but they also have a track record of pitching development that is about as good as Obama’s regarding healthcare.

    One reason why I don’t spend much time thinking about or discussing this aspect of baseball is that the modern way of managing rosters and signing players just doesn’t make sense to me.

    I’d rather just watch the team assembled on the field and appreciate the games, I reserve planning and business management for my own business where I can actually do something of value.

  39. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    I don’t know what the physical issues have been with Ramirez. I do wonder if they will convert him to the pen if he can’t pitch the needed starter innings. He already has two very good pitches.

    Obviously, he has far more value as a starter but only if he can stay healthy.

  40. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    I don’t think the Yankees see the Farm system as a primary resource even thought they talk a good game.

    Merely a supplement.

  41. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    And again, I have to ask why Newman and Oppenheimer still have jobs.

    And Cashman too for that matter.

    Where is the accountability ?

    Oh. I know. It was all the S and C’s fault.

    I’m relieved we solved the problem.

    ;)

  42. MG December 28th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 9:54 am
    MG,

    The problem with your theory is the Yankees have NO starting pitching in the upper levels that have shown ability to pitch reasonably effectively. You are suggesting two spots be used for pitchers who haven’t shown any sign of readiness. That is throwing in the towel, in my view.
    This isn’t the 1950s farm system.

    We would all love the farm to supply good players. The problem is in developing them in the minors
    ————————
    mac, I’m not going to belabor my point any further but go back and look at the minor league records of these three pitchers: Bob Grim, Bill Stafford, and Rollie Sheldon.

    Each of them made a huge jump into the Yankees rotation in the ’50s-Grim won the ROY after a 20+ win season.

    All I am saying is that a pitcher is a pitcher is a pitcher and if a guy pitched in High A last year and shows the professionals that manage the Yankees on the field (Girardi and Rothschild) that he can get guys out at the major league level then it’s not a stretch to consider him for the rotation.

    I know this won’t change unless another team, with nothing to lose, shows that this retro approach will work but it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

  43. BD (Boston Dave) December 28th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    “Who cares how many bowl games there are? You aren’t required to watch.

    I’d rather watch Notre Dame/Rutgers this afternoon than the other offerings from the TV programming geniuses.

    No one cared too much about Marshall/Maryland yesterday, but it was a very entertaining football game.”

    —–

    Uh, it’s because the bowl games are meaningless that I DONT watch. Bowl games used to mean something. It used to be an honor to get selected. Now the sponsorships and number of games have watered it down so badly that only die hard college football fans and people who have nothing better to do even care… Just my opinion of course.

  44. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Mac-

    Health always seems to be the primary issue for young pitchers.

    J-Ram’s FB and CU are both ++.

    His slider is coming along.

    I hope he stays a SP but I agree on his potential as a reliever if he doesn’t.

    Looking for big things out of him and Man-ban this season.

    I hate to say it but the same is true on Pineda. If he can’t stay healthy he’s headed for the Pen.

  45. BD (Boston Dave) December 28th, 2013 at 10:07 am


    I don’t think the Yankees see the Farm system as a primary resource even thought they talk a good game.

    Merely a supplement.”

    ——

    I remember when I, along with others! was bummed that Porcello didn’t slip one more pick to the Yankees. He’d be considered another bust for them if he had.

    Yanks need to pay a ton of $ on the scouts and talent evaluators with proven track records. Otherwise it seems like GMs and front offices get too much credit for getting lucky on successful draft picks and too much blame on duds. It’s gotta be tough.

  46. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    BD,

    It is hard get excited about a bowl game named after a toilet cleaning product or some such thing.

  47. AAA December 28th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    I remember when I, along with others! was bummed that Porcello didn’t slip one more pick to the Yankees. He’d be considered another bust for them if he had

    ==================================

    I don’t know about that. Porcello turned 25 a couple days ago. That’s awfully young to be declared a bust, especially after making some pretty decent improvements in 2013. Considering that nearly all his developmental time has come in the majors, he’s done OK. 2014 will be an interesting season for him. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s another step forward for him.

  48. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    I’m gonna post this in caps because it has already been posted numerous time but people don’t seem to get it.

    THE MLB AND NPB BASEBALLS ARE NEARLY IDENTICAL NOW. THERE IS NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE THAT YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.

    Thank you, have a nice day.

  49. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Whether we get Tanaka probably depends on the Dodgers. If they want him, his celebrity wife would like LA, and the Dodgers will spend and spend. I don’t like our chances in that circumstance.

  50. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    bbb,

    Now, I get it. I needed caps.

  51. DONNYBROOK December 28th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    College Football will have their 4 team Playoff System up and running next season, which will Really crank up the excitement. I anticipate that leading to expanding to an 8 team Playoff format, and eventually surpass the NFL Playoffs in fan interest. It will be March Madness in December. It will take a little time, but the unpredictability of College Football vs the NFL’s stodgy style of play, will make All the difference. Throw in the millions of alumni, and you have a built in audience just waiting for something to cheer about while sitting in front of their TV sets.

  52. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I agree that the Dodgers are the major threat, if they want him. The Cubs could be serious, but if you can’t outbid the Cubs…

  53. 86w183 December 28th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    A four-team playoff is a great step. An eight-team playoff would be better and could be initiated relatively easily in six years based on how the contracts are written.

  54. DONNYBROOK December 28th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    R\Sox remain The threat. Dodgers will make noise, but that will be primarily Hot Stove BS for the fan base, unless they are able to dump Kemp. Should the Dodgers dump Kemp, Then they would become a player for Tanaka.

  55. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Mac-

    The Mn in Blue have Kershaw, Greinke, Ryu, Billingsley, Haren, and Beckett all under contract.

    They’d have to clear some payroll and make a series of moves to fit Tanaka in.

    I just don’t see their motivation as being as great as ours.

    Maybe I’m wrong. But that’s how I see it.

    They are going to have to spend a fortune just to retain CK.

    I’m sure they’d want too.

    Despite the bravado they have limits too.

    ;)

  56. mick December 28th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Wanzies guaranteed Baker and that the entire bench would be gone.
    Hoo-Haw!

  57. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Mick-

    Wanzies has simply disappeared.

    Gone missing.

    :(

  58. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Michelle B has the best Baker connections.

    She knows him personally.

    ;)

  59. mick December 28th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Just like in Storage Wars, the RS will drive Tanaka’s price up.
    If he were a gentleman with honor he would just sign with us ASAP and avoid the other “noise.”

  60. mick December 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Who was Wanzies really MTU? (in his former blog life)

  61. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Yuuuuuuup !

    :)

  62. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Donny, I think the Red Sox are even less of a threat than the Dodgers. They have six starters, and are up against the 189 which they definitely don’t want to go over. Even the Astros are more of a threat, they can spend if they want to make a splash.

  63. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Greetings… I’ve got a few minutes before the next wave of family arrives…. downside of a large tribe… (not really).

    No bashing now. No disappearing. Just busy.

    Questions?

  64. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Steve-

    What have you got on Tanaka ?

  65. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    He’s here Mick.

    Ask him.

    ;)

  66. mick December 28th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I already did MTU..

  67. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    wanzies, what is the meaning of our existence?

  68. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    MTU -

    FO will be all in on Tanaka. Cubs will not be the top bidder. It will come down to where Tanaka wants to work.

    Not much difference between NY and Seattle on the GIV.

  69. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    mick –

    Asked me what?

  70. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    BTW, do NOT give the Bowden ANY credit for comparing Tanaka to Haren… that comparison has been circulating for four years.

  71. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Steve-

    Washington State has no income tax.

    Can the M’s afford another big splash, and do they really need him ?

  72. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    GIV?

  73. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Steve-

    Wow. Still having houseguests ?

    Amazing.

    You must have quite a clan.

    ;)

  74. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    State taxes are akin to a max 10% vig on half the salary. It comes into play, but not as much as “can we win”. Players know they are going to get paid. And it’s money they will never, ever spend. It’s about the rings.

    GIV is a Gulfstream IV private jet. Preferred mode of travel for the R&F.

  75. bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    MG December 28th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    It’s the law of large numbers, there is absolutely a pitcher in the system that could fill that starting role at a small fraction of the cost of importing an unknown.

    _________

    It’s really not the law of large numbers at all. It’s the law of talent. The major leagues is the best of the best of the best. If the Yanks have a 100+ pitchers in their organization now, you can bet that 80% will not see the major leagues for more than a cup of coffee. Why? Because they are simply not good enough. Are there 4-5 pitchers in the Yanks organization right now that, if given a shot, could conceivably win 14-15 games like Tanaka might next year? Sure. And we know most of their names: Pineda, Warren, Phelps, Nuno. Are there a couple of hidden gems down there deeper in the minors who could help out relatively soon? Maybe. A couple years ago the Yanks let Quintana get away, the biggest player development blunder of the last five years for this organization. But that is a real exception for the Yanks. They’ll probably lose a player like that once a decade, if that. That’s not the problem. The problem is acquiring and developing someone like Quintana not failing to keep a player like him.

    I’m not worried about Tanaka “holding back” any Yankee farm talent. They’ve always been better at buying than building.

  76. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    MTU -

    The generations seem to grow exponentially. Keeps you young.

  77. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    bbb51 -

    By “our” I’m assuming you mean the Lohug bloggers?

    An essential component in the circle of life.

  78. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Steve-

    You could fit our Family inside of a thimble. Sounds like you got our allocation.

    I have to think if the Yankees are all in they will come out victorious.

    It’s interesting to hear because I wondered about their level of determination.

  79. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    I saw a question about Baker -

    Yes, he is on the short list. Michelle’s connection is direct; mine is indirect. I would rely on her input before mine, but I can corroborate it if nothing else. He’s been asked to wait on the Arod decision and it’s anticipated that he’ll be used everywhere except C, SS and CF.

    Another Cesar Tovar.

  80. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Lohug…lol.

  81. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    MTU -

    My wife and I are each from large families and we begot a large family and many of them further begot large families….

    But, we’re not all named Paul and Petey and Marie.

  82. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    mick -

    Glad someone caught that…lol,

  83. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    I have to think if the Yankees are all in they will come out victorious.
    ==============
    This is erroneous thinking.
    You are saying they have no limit and that is untrue as we have seen recently.

  84. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    No one is ready to do what Tanaka could do.

    Banuelos, Ramirez, Campos or DePaula might have the talent, but they definitely don’t have the innings.

    Warren, Phelps, Nuno et al don’t have his ability.

  85. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    there really are very few lohuggers here wanzies.
    most are greedy, entiltled spoiled yankers not unlike myself who have no patience for the young.
    you are either a hit in NY or you are an error.

  86. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    MTU -

    Let’s be clear about the Yankees plan – they are the Yankees and have been aggressive about getting who they wanted. They have a plan, have determined to pay for value, but won’t be stupid.

    They wanted McCann. Got him.

    They wanted Cano; couldn’t get him for less than stupid, so immediately went to Ellsbury. Got him.

    Wanted Choo as part of no-Cano; couldn’t get him, went to Beltran. Got him.

    Tanaka is less of a risk than one would think.

    Injuries are insurable. Age is not.

  87. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Mick-

    It’s Steve who said it.

    Not me.

    He said they are all in.

    I assume that means they will do whatever it takes.

    That’s my definition of “all in”.

    ;)

  88. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Michelle’s connection is direct
    ==================
    lol

  89. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    mick -

    Unlimited on value, not on stupid.

  90. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    As I said, Tanaka’s decision will not be about money. Cano’s was. Apples and oranges.

  91. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    As I said, If Tanaka is honorable, he will not drive the Yankee price up if he wants to come here.
    Hal will not stand for it either so in a sense the Yanks have leverage.
    This could be over sooner than expected.

  92. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    I saw a question about Baker -

    Yes, he is on the short list. Michelle’s connection is direct; mine is indirect. I would rely on her input before mine, but I can corroborate it if nothing else. He’s been asked to wait on the Arod decision and it’s anticipated that he’ll be used everywhere except C, SS and CF.
    ==================
    No need to claim this as an insider as Baker is a no brainer.

  93. bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    The way I see it, this off season lull, as I predicted much earlier this month, will continue for about another week (until the Arod decision next Friday), then really heat up big time untill it functionally concludes in late January.

    As I also predicted weeks ago, the silliness would eventually end and Tanaka would be posted. I don’t think there will be many serious players for him though. As I pointed out in in the weeks before Cano was signed, the most likely buyer for Cano would not be a playoff team but a team looking to build credibility by moving up in class. A team like that would be much more willing to buy the risk of the backend of his contract. I was spot on with the Mariners.

    Tanaka is somewhat similar. While he doesn’t have the age risk of Cano, there is considerable contract risk nevertheless. A team that is already playoff caliber and that has already devoted large resources to pitching does not figure to bid hard for that risk. That knocks out I think Detroit, Texas and probably the Dodgers too. The Dodgers are really special case though. They may take the plunge if they feel Kershaw is going the FA route.

    I count Boston out as well. Right now, they are “too cool for school” and think they don’t need to spend that kind of money to spank the Yanks. We’ll see about that soon enough. I’ve felt for a long time the Cubs are the Yanks biggest competitors. They have the bucks, and like Mariners and Cano, they are looking to move up in class. The Diamondbacks say they are in so we can’t ignore that. My favorite dark horse is the Angels. They have money and have shown the willingness to throw it around big time. They need pitching and they are losing the SoCal market to the Dodgers. A Tanaka signing would be a huge PR move for them. Another dark horse would be the Giants. There’s a bigger Asian population up there than perhaps anywhere else and pitching runs deep in their blood.

    But if I were a betting man, and I am, I’d bet on the Cubs.

  94. Tar December 28th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    I agree with MG’s basic premise that sometimes a pitcher (or even a position player) will rise to occasion if given the opportunity. The Yankees are far to stingy in giving out those opportunities.

    I also believe Players with potential spend way too much time in the minors. And in the Yankee system….. sometimes that is to their detriment.

    Cano as an example was born out of necessity, not because of any great minor league numbers. I wonder if they had some high priced FA blocking him….. where he would be right now?

  95. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    mick -

    WADR, Tanaka has nothing to do with negotiations. His agent has parameters in hand and will get as close to those as possible, then present the options to Tanaka. Close knows the NYY REALLY want him. That has a price. Close knows it. The FO knows it.

  96. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    mick -

    Do some research before you bash.. I’ve been telling you about Baker since before you could spell his name.

  97. BIG AL December 28th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    I’m convinced Tanaka is the real deal, so, I’d offer him $200/10, which should knock others away from the bidding, and down the road it’ll look like a huge bargain. :)

    When Darvish becomes an FA, he joins his friend with the Yankees.

  98. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    “Injuries are insurable. Age is not.”

    Very good point.

  99. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    research you wanzies. wadr you are an anonymous blogger with an opinion, how unique.

  100. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Yankees: We Want You.
    Tanaka: I Want You.

    What is the problem?

    Negotiations Over.

  101. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    mick -

    We’ll agree to ignore each other. Easy enough to do.

  102. bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Moving on now. Tanaka aside, I think you are looking at now pretty much what the roster will be when the Yanks begin camp in Feb. They may add a couple very minor relief types but I think the Yanks still believe they can develop a bullpen fairly cheaply and mostly internally. And I think right now the infield is set. Roberts is at 2nd. Johnson can back up and I believe Anna will get a long look for depth in ST. At 3b, I think they’ll let Johnson and Nunie compete for the starting job. That should be one fun infield to watch :)

    It’s very likely Arod will play for the Yanks sometime in 2014 and the Yanks know that. He’s really better than any other option out there for them right now and that includes the health risk. I just hope they can get Tanaka. But I think they will miss.

  103. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    We’ll agree to ignore each other. Easy enough to do.
    ==============
    did i hurt your feelings?

  104. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    I’m out guys.

    Catch you later.

  105. BIG AL December 28th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Look for the Yanks to sign Balfour.

  106. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    mick -

    Not at all. You don’t seem to appreciate my input/thoughts, so I won’t upset you further by responding to your posts. No big deal.

  107. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    you are the one who seems sensitive and upset wanzies, input away…

  108. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    BIG AL -

    I’m not so sure about Balfour. That’s a tricky one. He doesn’t really want to pitch for the NYY. $$ and opportunities may trump that. I don’t have a feel for how that’s going to play out at this point.

  109. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Wanzies,

    We appreciate you. Mick is a contrarian. He b&tches about us all. Still, he can be amusing.

  110. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    mick -

    Not upset at all. At the same time, it’s clear that there is a credibility issue with you. No problem, I’m over it.

  111. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    not a contrarian, my opinions are my own, if they disagree then that is coincidental..

  112. bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    BIG AL December 28th, 2013 at 11:20 am
    I’m convinced Tanaka is the real deal, so, I’d offer him $200/10, which should knock others away from the bidding, and down the road it’ll look like a huge bargain.

    __________

    I would do that right out of the gate. First, it would cut through a lot of “the dance” and def would knock out a few competitors. But moreover, it plays to the Yanks biggest advantage–the financial ability to eat and digest a big mistake.

  113. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    credibility issue?
    i assume these opinions are your own, that’s fine with me.

  114. BIG AL December 28th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:30 am
    BIG AL -

    I’m not so sure about Balfour. That’s a tricky one. He doesn’t really want to pitch for the NYY. $$ and opportunities may trump that. I don’t have a feel for how that’s going to play out at this point.
    *************************************************************************
    I can’t see him turning down the Yankees, afterall, he was willing to pitch for the O’s, lol. The O’s offer was $15/2, I’d go $16/2, and call it a day.

    P.S. I enjoy your input.

  115. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    So glad to amuse you Mac.
    In fact, I live for it…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWINtUCshxY?

  116. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Mick,

    Honestly, don’t you like causing a bit of trouble?

  117. bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    If the Yanks really wanted Balfour they would have signed him before the Orioles did. That contract was not an outlier.

  118. BIG AL December 28th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    bigdan22 -

    I agree the Yankees can afford to eat mistakes, but, I feel strongly that Tanaka will become an ace, and the backend of that contract will seem like a huge bargain.

    Got to go, catch Y’all later. Have a great day.

  119. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    bigdan22 -

    You’re aware how these negotiations will work – Close will set a “bar” for the discussions. That will eliminate certain teams. Then it will come down to years. That may eliminate certain teams. Then it will come down to opt outs, options, etc. At some point, the opportunity to win will be part of the calculation. That is the unknown at this point.

  120. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Honestly, don’t you like causing a bit of trouble?
    =============================

    ? 0:17? 0:17
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj3VphK9AMk?

  121. pkyankfan69 December 28th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Tanaka/Balfour/Crain/Baker… Lets play ball.

  122. Baby Ruth December 28th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    wanzies

    Nice input, adds quality to the blog. Thanks.

    Who is Michelle btw ?

  123. bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:37 am
    bigdan22 -

    You’re aware how these negotiations will work – Close will set a “bar” for the discussions. That will eliminate certain teams. Then it will come down to years. That may eliminate certain teams. Then it will come down to opt outs, options, etc. At some point, the opportunity to win will be part of the calculation. That is the unknown at this point.

    ________

    I agree, that’s generally how it works, but you can change the narrative in the negotiation dance by doing someone seemingly unpredictable. Close will not be setting a 10 year bar. He’s probably looking at 5-6 now. If you come out and offer 10 right off the bat, it works like a high first bid in poker, folks will drop out immediately and you’ll be down to 2-3 real players. You may even be able to bluff the whole pot if you’re lucky. But of course the Yanks aren’t bluffing here. 10 or maybe 11 years is actually not illogical. And the Yanks can easily afford it at $20MM per. Sure there’s huge risk. But this is the kind of risk the Yanks and maybe no other team can eat.

  124. bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    I don’t see the Yanks doing anything that aggressive though. These aren’t the George Yanks anymore. There are two distinct factions inside the organization vying for power. Hal is the arbiter. When that happens in an organization, the resolve diminishes even if the organization thinks it’s competing hard. The budgetary hawks are still rooting for a $195MM or so budget and $40MM cut in payroll. That will happen if they miss on Tanaka.

  125. mick December 28th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    There are two distinct factions inside the organization vying for power. Hal is the arbiter.
    ==========================
    That makes Cash the go-fer.

  126. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    There is no need for a 10 year bid, and that’s crazy anyway. Tanaka is no guarantee.

  127. wanzies222 December 28th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    bigdan22 -

    I may be wrong, but I think that Close is looking at two contracts here. One to cover years 25-30 and one to cover 31-35. Tweak that in either direction by a year to two, but the concept is the same.

    I would not be looking for a 10 year deal IIWM. Tanaka is young enough to get x2. And look how the market has changed since Darvish.

    There will be another CBA in 2017 and another tv contract in 2018, so that will likely dial up the revenue available for player contracts.

    From the teams’ standpoint, insurance on longer contracts is much harder to secure; ideally 5-6 years works for both sides.

  128. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    What’s a Pinstripe Bowl at noon? I don’t know what’s going on.

  129. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    mick, King Crimson and Yes in the hall yet?

  130. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    When a bunch of folkie puritans got mad at Dylan for going electric, I say, ” Bob, they’re a waste! “

  131. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Yes no.

  132. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Put Yes in la hall, and then maybe, on a Thursday, we can discourse, Nirvana.

  133. yankee21 December 28th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    w222,

    I enjoy your contributions to the blog, I hope you visit more often.

    A question for you as you seem to have some insight to the NY FO many of us do not; IYO why does Newman still have a job with the Yankees after consistent terrible performance in developing major league talent?

  134. Hankflorida December 28th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    . Are there 4-5 pitchers in the Yanks organization right now that, if given a shot, could conceivably win 14-15 games like Tanaka might next year? Sure. And we know most of their names: Pineda, Warren, Phelps, Nuno.

    Big Dan, agree with your assessment as in 2012, the Yanks had Hughes, Garcia and Pettite to go with CC, Kuroda and Nova minus Mo and got to play in October. Since I am assuming that Tanaka is the straw that breaks the camel’s back when it comes to the cap, the Yanks may go with Pineda, Warren, Phelps and Nuno and depend on their bats to take them over the top.

  135. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    hall n oats have an extensive backlog of tunes that women love mills
    i saw them for free at seaworld

  136. bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    wanzies222-

    I think about two weeks ago, I said if I were Tanaka’s agent I’d be looking at a 5 or a 10 year deal. Nothing in between. From a revenue maximization standpoint, 5 is best of course. Sign a 5/100 now and 5/150 five years from now. But who knows how much Tanaka will be worth 5 years from now. Sign a 10 year contract now, and you know you’ll be getting $100MM from 31-35 and that’s some pretty serious peace of mind. Depends on the individual too. Some folks only one to do this once. That’s why 10 years and finishing a career somewhere can be real appealing. And in terms of insurance, there’s always someone who’ll underwrite a policy. If they could do it for Arod, they can do it for Tanaka.

    This is all real academic though. But this is what I would do if I really wanted him. Still not sure the Yanks really do.

  137. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    mick, I love Hall and Oates – ” Sarah Smile “.

  138. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    rtsp://r3—sn-jc47eu76.googlevideo.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQlElcVeR3fnRRMYJCAkFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYOWmtbK2zNzaUAw=/0/0/0/video.3gp

    Sarah, smile.

  139. Blojaldo December 28th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    “The Dodgers, who have plenty of money and have had a relatively quiet offseason, appear to be the favorites to land Tanaka, SB Nation’s Grant Brisbee writes.”

  140. Blojaldo December 28th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Grant who? :)

  141. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Why no Hot Tuna in the R & R Hall?

  142. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    man, rutgers v. notre dame, man that’s a plain money-grab. rutgers is a joke and is going to be an ebarrasment to the big 10.

    having NYS attached to this ‘bowl game’ degrades the Yankees name, imo.

  143. Against All Odds December 28th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    . Are there 4-5 pitchers in the Yanks organization right now that, if given a shot, could conceivably win 14-15 games like Tanaka might next year? S

    —————————–

    No maybe 8 games or so.

  144. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    No Steve Winwood?

  145. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Someday Jerry Garcia to the Hall?

  146. Blojaldo December 28th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    We all know won-lost records of starting pitchers are relatively meaningless. It depends in large part on run support and the bullpen.

  147. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Each Beatle except Ringo is in, why not Jagger?

  148. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    If Stevie Winwood ain’t in there, it’s one stupid hall.

  149. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    mills, stevie got caught in traffic

  150. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    the 60′s are too far back to remember for these newbies hence no moodys, zombies, yes?

  151. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    if you’re gonna go by wins, then there could be someone in the minors who could win 15, you never know.

    jorge de la rosa won as many games and clayton kershaw did last year.

    that doesnt put them on the same level, just like someone coming up from trenton and winning 15 wouldn’t put him on the same level as tanaka.

  152. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    the supremes but no Diana Ross?

  153. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    i get the feeling that jorma couldnt care less about the ‘hall of fame’

    and im quite sure jerry wouldnt give a crap about it.

    so neither do i.

  154. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Diana Ross is in a category all upon herself.

  155. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    No Chicago? 50 years and counting…
    Blind Faith was around for 1 year but they should be in.

  156. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    I love, Chicago! ” 25 or six to four “

  157. Shame Spencer December 28th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Here is the reality about why Tanaka is necessary: Even if you can squeeze 10-15 wins from a minor league guy, guess what – Kuroda is retiring next year and you’ll still need that guy AND you’ll have another slot to fill.

    Tanaka is not a move made based on one season. The rotation going forward is full of question marks. Phelps, Pineda and whoever else will still get a chance to prove themselves this year for better or worse (can we stop listing Nuno in there? The guy will very likely not be a major league starter for the long term). And that’s a good thing because one of them might be asked to be our #3 or #4 next year.

  158. Blojaldo December 28th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    With no Mo and an uncertain bullpen there will be even more pressure on starting pitchers to go deep in the game and keep the runs to a minimum.

  159. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Tanaka is not essential.
    Life will go on.
    FA’s will be available every year.
    I would still want him.

  160. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Hell the Dave Clark 5 are in the Hall.

  161. Shame Spencer December 28th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Nothing wrong with the bowl game, IMO, other than the field is terrible. If the Yanks are gonna host these games they gotta do a better job. Definitely just saw a ref fall over on that mangled turf…..

  162. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 28th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Baby Ruth December 28th, 2013 at 11:39 am
    wanzies

    Nice input, adds quality to the blog. Thanks.

    Who is Michelle btw ?
    _———————————————————————————————-
    Quite a philosophical question? Lol.

    If you really want to know who I am from s. Florida, live in Oakland, ive been frequenting the blog since 2009. I used to post quite a bit, but I didn’t liked being yelled out or talked to like I was 3, so I mostly stopped posting and just read now. I worked in sports medicine for the better part of 12 years and I know quite a few professional athletes. Eventually one or two of them are linked to my favorite baseball team and so I try to relay any info I have. Sourcing and inside scoops are not my thing, but if I have the info, I’ll gladly share it.

  163. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    mick, calm down, now that Rush are in, who cares? :D

  164. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    What about Moby Grape? Canned Heat? Savoy Brown?
    LITTLE FEAT….
    Lowell George?

  165. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Granted, Canned Heat – they are in!!!!

  166. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Where is Richie Havens?
    Laura Nyro is in..

  167. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Michelle,

    It is the three year olds doing the yelling. Glad to have you here talking with us. We are generally more agreeable these days.

    I hope you tell Baker that we fans want him.

  168. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    mills..ever hear of the sons of champlin…i will send.

  169. dan l December 28th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Here is a question…is 189 more feasible for 2015 with Tanaka then this season without him?

    If they do get Tanaka then target and sign Diaz the young Cuban SS and trade for a decent inexpensive set up reliever like Brandon Kintzler or a closer like Steve Cishek.

    If that could be done and Diaz shows he can be the SS for 2015 the team would need LF, 3B and 2B even if Alex is still on the team as a DH/3B. Remember they won championships with platoons at those positions before.

    The rotation could be very settled as well for 2015 if CC bounces back and Nova continues to grow along with Tanaka and this years 5th as the 4th with Kuroda retiring…could it be Pineda or Warren with a year starting under their belt as the 4th with another youngster as the 5th starter?

    They would be solid in the pen if Robertson proves he can close and they can resign him. Maybe they can leverage this years less expensive cost into a longer term deal with him. Closers are not getting huge contracts going forward so he shouldn’t be overly expensive. The rest of the pen will all be under Thonrton’s cost.

    I think the Yankees can be in better position to field a quality team and be under 189 in 2015 with Tanaka if they choose to be aggressive this year…

  170. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Michelle, u have a right here!

  171. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oznLE22KILQ

    “Can you feel the sun at Midnight in the Morning?”

  172. mick December 28th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    The only Q in the Hall is Queen.

    Why no Quicksilver Messenger Service?

  173. austinmac December 28th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Michelle,

    To demonstrate how nice we have become, we welcome Rush obsessed Canadians who pull for the wrong team. Well, at least one. :)

  174. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    The Yanks have always had a Nix type utility man and Baker will be the man this year and he can hit leftys.

    You can bank on it…

  175. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Brian Wilson not in the Hall?
    Not the bearded wonder.

  176. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    MILLS…Listen to this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZkGyKQYCKE

  177. bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Shame Spencer December 28th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    “. . . Phelps, Pineda and whoever else will still get a chance to prove themselves this year for better or worse (can we stop listing Nuno in there? The guy will very likely not be a major league starter for the long term).

    ______

    That’s the kind of thinking that caused the Yanks to lose Quintana. It’s not all about the gun. To get ML hitters out, the head is every bit as important as the arm.

    But your other points are well-taken Shame. Tanaka makes a ton of sense for the Yanks on several levels. And for the same reasons, he doesn’t make a lot of sense to many other teams. The risk-reward level isn’t there. That may have been part of the reason the Yanks didn’t go hard after Darvish. At that time, they may have thought they had a couple young pitchers on the rise who were going to lock down a couple spots in the rotation. While one of the Pineda, Warren, Phelps and Nuno group may make some significant contributions this year and down the road, Tanaka is far more likely to be an impact player.

  178. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Children Know…mills

  179. Tar December 28th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    “We appreciate you. Mick is a contrarian. He b&tches about us all. Still, he can be amusing.”

    Mac

    So nice of you to gloss over the facts and call it “amusing”. I call what he did to posters like GB stalking and Betsy even worse bullying….nothing freaking amusing about it.

    And why is it ok Chad……. for him to continue to cause trouble on the “new” Lohud?

  180. AAA December 28th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Here is a question…is 189 more feasible for 2015 with Tanaka then this season without him?

    ==================================

    No. If they sign Tanaka, there is virtually no shot of getting under until the 2017 season.

  181. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Alex Lifeson of Rush was in this Alan King Doc ” come all thy chidren…” Guity secret,…I love, Christie McNichol.I do hope she is over the top, weLl!

  182. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Guilty*

  183. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    If the Yankees put out a winning Team year after year they will make a ton of money.

    They learned, or should have learned, a valuable lesson last year.

  184. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    No love for this genre mills?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExSR0auh6bc

    Freedom.

  185. Shame Spencer December 28th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Shame Spencer December 28th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    “. . . Phelps, Pineda and whoever else will still get a chance to prove themselves this year for better or worse (can we stop listing Nuno in there? The guy will very likely not be a major league starter for the long term).

    ______

    That’s the kind of thinking that caused the Yanks to lose Quintana. It’s not all about the gun. To get ML hitters out, the head is every bit as important as the arm.

    —————-

    I’m not sure what you mean. Is this in relation to my statement about Nuno? Because the chance of Nuno turning into a full time big league starter is slim.

  186. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    rtsp://r7—sn-jc47eu7r.googlevideo.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQnUj6qHJfvD7RMYESARFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYOWmtbK2zNzaUAw=/0/0/0/video.3gp

    Paint it black.

  187. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    ever hear of It’s A Beautiful Day, mills?

  188. AAA December 28th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    If the Yankees put out a winning Team year after year they will make a ton of money.

    ===================================

    They’ll make a ton of money no matter what. Be closer to to a ton and a half if they are a contender though.

  189. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Of7TDL2kFM

    White Bird

  190. Baby Ruth December 28th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 28th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Thanks for the info. So are you part of the ‘wanzie’ connection ?

    Yankee Stadium West ? In California ?

  191. Shame Spencer December 28th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Nuno is the exact type of arm the Yanks should be turning into a bullpen arm. Instead they do it with guys like Dellin, but Nuno is a better fit. He’s gonna be a 27 year old lefty that hasn’t really pitched more than 100 innings over the last 4 years outside of one.

  192. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1aNa6W80Qg

    1st track Don and Dewey, like violins?

  193. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    it’s all for you mills as you are an aficionado nut yet no response why………..?

  194. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Mac
    Do you remember this , The Dolphins, at 5:19…

    You were in a haze in the dorm..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1aNa6W80Qg

  195. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Cold, rainy day. Mrs. T’s Villanova Wildcats vs. Syracuse Orange Zest. Guests gone. Perfect excuse to veg out. Oh, by the way, sign Tanaka, Yanks.

  196. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    To my southern friends

    Hoedown at 13:07

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1aNa6W80Qg

  197. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi0e7brHdMQ

    Quicksilver

    Who do you Love?

  198. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    I’ll stop…

  199. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Mister mick,
    Thank you.

  200. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    mr tom
    you could have ignored me.

  201. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    mick,
    I could, I suppose, but on a slow afternoon, why do that? But it appears even jmills went away!

  202. mick December 28th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    you mean you listened to a tune or 2?

  203. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    mick,
    Can’t do it on this 12-year-old laptop, which is dedicated to Lohud duty, but I could whistle most of them. Heard Who Do You Love this morning on our local podunk radio station.

  204. mick December 28th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    tom do you remember the 60′s?

  205. bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Shame Spencer December 28th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    That’s the kind of thinking that caused the Yanks to lose Quintana. It’s not all about the gun. To get ML hitters out, the head is every bit as important as the arm.

    —————-

    I’m not sure what you mean. Is this in relation to my statement about Nuno? Because the chance of Nuno turning into a full time big league starter is slim.

    ———-

    The chances of any minor leaguer becoming a full time starter is slim. But in my opinion, Nuno has a better chance than almost any minor leaguer in the Yanks organization. He’s had success in the high minors and in his limited major league starts. And lefties who rely on location and changing speeds age extremely well, especially in Yankee stadium. Guys like Key, John, Kaat, Glavine and Moyer had excellent seasons well beyond their 30th birthday.

  206. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    mick,
    Born in 1945, so I guess I do.

  207. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    bigdan22,
    Go back a ways ad add Whitey Ford and Bobby Schantz to your list of crafty lefties.

  208. exiledintampa December 28th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Thet used to say, if you can remember the 60′s then you probably weren’t there.

  209. exiledintampa December 28th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    they

  210. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    exiled,
    Something to that, I guess, but I’d sobered up by 1967.

  211. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    I guess it was 1968 when Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels recorded their anthem.

  212. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    MG,

    While I agree with you in principle that the Yankees probably have talent in the minors that could make it in the majors *right now*, the process to find that talent wastes too much major league time and resources. You can’t give them all starts in spring training, there aren’t enough roster slots to rotate through them during the season, and who wants to watch an endless parade of guys failing anyways? The game and farm systems have changed a lot since the 50s, I don’t think you can just go back to that kind of system.

    The Yankees have no one in the minors who has thrown 200 innings in the system, nor someone who pitched at the TOP level of any of their leagues, nor anyone who did that at a league better than AAA.

    Tanaka is an instant talent infusion, don’t think you’re gonna get a guy like him from the Yankee system.

  213. Pat M. December 28th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Michael Pineda will be in the NY Yankees rotation in 2014

  214. Shame Spencer December 28th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Guys like Key, John, Kaat, Glavine and Moyer had excellent seasons well beyond their 30th birthday.

    ——————

    All of those guys you listed did one thing pretty consistently: pitched a lot of innings. In fact, they did it often while they were in their early 20s. So besides being a stretch to begin with, the comparison isn’t really relevant at all. Nuno is basically getting stretched out at age 26-27.

    Agree to disagree. Nuno might be somewhat similar in style to some of those guys but has not proven much if anything in the 4 years he’s been in the system other than he’s sure to get injured. People wanna pencil him in after having pitched 40 innings last year, that’s their prerogative. But I don’t see it.

    Phelps has a better shot at being a full time starter in the majors than Nuno.

  215. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Pat M. December 28th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    Michael Pineda will be in the NY Yankees rotation in 2014

    Likely, but he can only be slotted #5 because of innings restrictions and unsureness of his durability. They still need a good starter.

  216. Pat M. December 28th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    bbb51. The innings is the only issue surrounding him in 2014. Hell, many scouts said he was throwing the ball better last summer than anyone on the Big Club

  217. Shame Spencer December 28th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    The thing with Pineda for me isn’t even the innings.. it’s the adjusted repertoire he’ll be working with. His velo might come back, but he wasn’t matching his averages from last year. It’s very likely he’ll need to rely a little more on his secondary stuff and he still needed to refine and develop that all important 3rd pitch when we acquired him. He’s young so I think he can pull it off, but he’s going to need patience and direction.

  218. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Pineda has thrown 40 innings in the past 2 years. Really doubt he is going to make an impact in the rotation this year.

  219. Shame Spencer December 28th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    They shut him down kind mysteriously last year after they kept talking up how good he looked… did he pitch in a winter league at all??

  220. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    They shut him down kind mysteriously last year after they kept talking up how good he looked… did he pitch in a winter league at all??

    No he didn’t pitch any winter ball this year. His velocity is also still not close to his 2011 velocity.

  221. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    I think they could have Pineda make about 25 starts, 150 innings. I don’t think that would be excessive.

  222. sammiejohnson December 28th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    During Pineda’s milb starts last summer (I did not see any of them) the reports were that his FB was sitting 92 and touching 94/95. In 2011 he sat 94/95 and touched 97/98. He may be throwing the ball well, but it is pretty obvious that his velo did not come all the way back. At least not yet.

  223. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Frankly I’d be worried if he was sitting 95 right away.

  224. Pat M. December 28th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Don’t fret Jerkface, even with Pineda in the rotation there’ll still be room for your dude Kanaka. Although there will be a sense of restraint when it comes to that contract the Yanks will be offering. 5 years at 15 is in the neighborhood I’d think.

  225. bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Shame Spencer December 28th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    All of those guys you listed did one thing pretty consistently: pitched a lot of innings. In fact, they did it often while they were in their early 20s. So besides being a stretch to begin with, the comparison isn’t really relevant at all. Nuno is basically getting stretched out at age 26-27.

    Agree to disagree. Nuno might be somewhat similar in style to some of those guys but has not proven much if anything in the 4 years he’s been in the system other than he’s sure to get injured. People wanna pencil him in after having pitched 40 innings last year, that’s their prerogative. But I don’t see it.

    Phelps has a better shot at being a full time starter in the majors than Nuno.

    ________

    Perhaps you know something I don’t Shame, but has Nuno been injury prone in his minor league career? He hurt his groin last year, which was probably a sports hernia. I know a bit about that. It takes a lot of time but you should come back 100% and it wasn’t his arm which of course is key. He’s thrown only over 100 innings twice but that may have something to do with the fact that he’s come out of the bullpen quite a bit early on. He’s had five years in the minors, basically moving up one level at a time, starting out with the Cleveland organization and joining the Yanks three years ago. He’s been awesome statistically in four of his five seasons with very low hit rates, pretty low walk rates and striking out about a batter an inning. His slow but deliberate progress may be the result of the general bias against soft-tossers.

    He’s just the type of pitcher organizations miss on, like Quintana. Can’t make that mistake twice in three years.

  226. mick December 28th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    your dude Kanaka.
    ===========
    lol…

  227. pkyankfan69 December 28th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    5 years at 15 is in the neighborhood I’d think.
    —————
    Opening bids will be higher than that.

  228. bigdan22 December 28th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    http://insidethezona.com/2013/.....t-arizona/

    Somebody else reading my posts again.

  229. Pat M. December 28th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Well if a5 for 5 years is too low to start with, well then we might be looking at a huge overpay.

  230. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    ppl are talking 7 or 8 years and $130 to $150M. it is crazy but if the yankees want to compete, they need to bite the bullet and hope he’s worth it, which i question.

  231. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    I love the Tanaka talk The Yankees already have their opening bid in. God knows what it is, I don’t. Lots of other teams do, too. Let’s see what happens.

  232. exiledintampa December 28th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    SportsPickle?@sportspickle59m
    It’s easy to make field goals at Yankee Stadium with that short porch. Not impressed.

  233. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Well if a5 for 5 years is too low to start with, well then we might be looking at a huge overpay.

    Darvish has been well worth the money and the total outlay there was big. Tanaka is very good, young, and could anchor the rotation going forward. Should be money well spent.

    You really like Pineda, well imagine a rotation for the next 4 years with Nova, Pineda, and Tanaka all under age 30 in it. Huge boon. By 2016 CC could be the journeyman innings eater in a rotation of young power arms.

  234. Pat M. December 28th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    No doubt Face however do you feel good about committing 7 years and 140 million for him ???? Word is that he just might top out as a good 3. Nice splitter but a so-so fastball.

  235. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    The fastball isn’t Darvish, but its still 90-93 touching 95-96 which is above average. That is Pineda’s current velocity, so does he have a so-so fastball? At that speed with his command he will be fine. 7/140 is fine, go for it, NYY. Can’t get a 25 year old like this anywhere else.

  236. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Its also not just a ‘nice splitter’, its a splitter rated more highly than Pineda’s slider. He has a lot of tools to succeed in the majors. I’m sure ‘solid #3′ is one of the range of possibilities for him but its better than paying money for guys who only have the upside of ‘solid #3′ like ervin santana and matt garza. And really, ‘word is’? Whose word? Why? There is always the specter of under performance in any acquisition or prospect, but nothing about Tanaka says ‘tops out at #3′. 3′s don’t have a plus plus pitch and plus control.

  237. RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Mick, No Johnny Rivers in the hall or Warren Zevon.

  238. blake December 28th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Splitters are playing really well in the big leagues right now…..guys just can’t seem to hit them …..so if Tanakas really is amongst the best in the world then he should really do well in the big leagues.

    Look at his countryman Uehara….dude throws 88 with a good split and he was untouchable last year

  239. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Tanaka’s split is better than Uehara’s and the fastball he throws to set it up is only 2-8 mph faster :) Also he has better control. Really just look at the damage Kuroda & Uehara can do in the majors and imagine a 25 year old version of them.

    Thats the Tanaka dream. Hope the Yankees can make it come true. They messed up by not going all out for Darvish, but Tanaka is a nice consolation prize.

  240. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Plus I’m worried that if they miss Darvish and Tanaka and both are pitching well they will end up going all out for Maeda when he posts and he just isn’t on the same tier as either Yu or Tanaka. Saw him live in 2010 and he just doesn’t have the same caliber of stuff as Yu/Tanaka.

  241. Teddyballgame13 December 28th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Tanaka is a must get if the Yankees are serious about contending for a title. If Nova keeps progressing and CC is even 75% of old CC the Yanks will have a pretty darn good staff. I’d like to shore up the infield defense though, especially with Kuroda and Tanaka being ground ball pitchers.

  242. blake December 28th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    “Tanaka’s split is better than Uehara’s and the fastball he throws to set it up is only 2-8 mph faster Also he has better control. Really just look at the damage Kuroda & Uehara can do in the majors and imagine a 25 year old version of them.”

    I know…..if his split is THAT good then they have to sign him because he could be a stud in MLB
    …..unless of course he gets ground ball hit to death by our crapoy infield D

  243. Pat M. December 28th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    95-96….You’re dreaming Face or just trying to sell this to the LoHud members. His value was that he was going to be on the cheap side and had skills that could translate well in the Bigs. Garza and Santana have won their share of games in The Major Leagues where as your dude has’t won squat. Once again do you advocate signing him to a 6-7 year deal paying him 20 million dollars ??? Yes or No ???? A healthy Pineda has Ace attached to his right arm, Tanaka, not so much

  244. blake December 28th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Tanaka touched 95/96 in the WBC…..now he probbaly will pitch at 92 but the report is that he can touch higher

  245. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Yea Pat M, I’ve actually seen him pitch unlike you, and he can touch 95/96, just like Pineda. Pineda HAD ace attached to his arm, before it fell off. He throws the same as Tanaka now with worse secondary offerings.

    I advocate signing Tanaka at all costs. The Yankees offseason is going to be pretty crappy if they don’t get him.

  246. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Tanaka’s 4 seam fastball is a 92-94 pitch with 95/96 topside. He can cut it/run it like most Japanese pitchers which gives it a range of movement and speed from 89-96. He likes to challenge guys in the NPB which won’t work as well in the majors but he has the command and control to put it in other spots.

  247. Captain Clutch December 28th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Hopefully it doesn’t take all 30 days for Tanaka to sign. But I doubt that we will hear anything for at least another 2 or 3 weeks. I wonder if he is going to visit cities or the most money gets him so it doesn’t matter.

  248. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    i am skeptical that tanaka is all that but the yankees have little choice. they’d have to be increadibly lucky and healthy to contend with cc, kuroda, nova phelps pineda, nuno. if all of them make just about every start and nobody declines (further?) then they can contend, but that’s very unlikely.

  249. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    teams that fall out of the tanaka sweepstakes may lock down the remaining FA pitchers before the last team to fall out of the bidding can get in on them. it might be smart for their agents to wait until tanaka signs with someone, so all the bidders are in the game, but its getting into january and players and their families want to finalize where they will be next season.

    if this goes into late january the team that ‘loses’ out on tanaka could whiff on everybody.

  250. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    If they miss Tanaka, and Arod is going to be out all year, get ARam, pump up the bullpen and put Jose Ramirez out there and see what he can do. He was owning major leaguers last spring training. His changeup is sometimes unhittable, and he has some heat too. Gotta have the bullpen though because Pineda and Ramirez are 6 inning pitchers at best right now.

  251. mick December 28th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    Mick, No Johnny Rivers in the hall or Warren Zevon.
    ==============
    RIB
    Mickey Rivers was a good player, doesn’t belong in the Hall..

    Now, the Werewolf of London is another story.

  252. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Somewhere, Warren Zevon and Mickey Rivers are holding hands in a hall,…..Christie McNichol is filming it.

  253. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    rtsp://r6—sn-jc47eu7d.googlevideo.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQkZ-z0ZF7_S0RMYESARFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYOWmtbK2zNzaUAw=/0/0/0/video.3gp

    The above is a lovely song by jacques and melanie villeneuve for their dad. Melanie can really sing while Jacques does his best. Jacques, u won Indy and F1, so it doesn’t matter! :D

  254. mick December 28th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    mills you completely ignored my concert this afternoon…some gems were offered for your listening pleasure

  255. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    mick, I’m sorry, I don’t usually have a nap, but this Saturday I did; I think I’m exhausted from from all the bloody driving.

  256. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    if MLB teams post the 20 mil bids does Rakuten Golden Eagles keep all the bids

  257. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    how the bid thing work

  258. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    Only the team that gets Tanaka pays the 20 mil posting fee.

  259. pkyankfan69 December 28th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    Nah Joeman… Only the $20M from the team that signs Tanaka.

    That would be a pretty sweet deal for the Japanese teams.

  260. pkyankfan69 December 28th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    BTW, did we sign Tanaka yet?

  261. pete2 December 28th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    “It’s the law of large numbers, there is absolutely a pitcher in the system that could fill that starting role at a small fraction of the cost of importing an unknown.”

    The large number might be the ERA. You get what you pay for.

    Anyways, my only concern about Tanaka is his declining K rate. Not sure how reliable Japanese velocity numbers are but Daisuke threw nowhere near what they claimed he could before the Red Sox signed him. Maybe that’s the ball which is a bit larger and has smoother seams. IIRCC, Tanaka did not do very well in the WBC which I believe uses MLB balls.

  262. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    joeman, we could have used a Witchita Lineman or two up here. Thanks out to Michigan for sending crews here.

  263. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    pkyankfan69 December 28th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
    Nah Joeman… Only the $20M from the team that signs Tanaka.

    That would be a pretty sweet deal for the Japanese teams.
    ————————\
    would be a great deal

  264. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Joeman-

    That would be nice for them but no way.

    They only get to keep the bid of the 1 Team that successfully negotiates a deal w Tanaka.

    If a deal is not consummated the moolah is returned and Tanaka goes back to the Eagles.

  265. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    jmills December 28th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
    joeman, we could have used a Witchita Lineman or two up here. Thanks out to Michigan for sending crews here.
    ————————————-
    feel sorry for you guys …been thru Ice Storm in they past they suck…. we have guys working in Maine for the last 5 days

  266. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    MTU December 28th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
    Joeman-

    That would be nice for them but no way.

    They only get to keep the bid of the 1 Team that successfully negotiates a deal w Tanaka.

    If a deal is not consummated the moolah is returned and Tanaka goes back to the Eagles.
    ———————————-
    thanks Mike

  267. mick December 28th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    mills you can go back and listen i had some gems, quicksilver, sons of champlin if you are the fan i think you are

  268. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    My pleasure Joeman.

  269. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    MTU December 28th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
    My pleasure Joeman
    —————————-
    nobody better than you

  270. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    IIRCC, Tanaka did not do very well in the WBC which I believe uses MLB balls.

    7 IP, 10 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 0 BB , 12 K

    Matsuzaka’s misinformation is no longer applicable because theres too much video and scouting now. I don’t know what you thought his velocity was coming out of Japan but he threw the exact same for the red sox as he did in the NPB. low to mid 90s touching 96-97 with the 4 seam. Have to consider that every japanese pitcher pretty much throws all 3 fastballs and they like to go to the cutter and shuuto more than the 4seam.

    If Darvish only went 4 seam he’d probably sit mid 90s on the heater.

  271. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    imagine if that is how they ran the posting…..

  272. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Theres no more bids. Its free agency with a ‘release fee’. None of the teams have to bid, they only have to keep in mind that if Tanaka accepts a contract from them they will pay the fee to Rakuten.

  273. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    mick, thanks, I’ll regress and ” take a chance ” – U have impeccable taste.

  274. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Joeman-

    Would never happen.

  275. mick December 28th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    looking forward to your opinions mills.

  276. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Sounds like the Yankees are going to make a big offer to Tanaka but are not prepared
    to do whatever it takes.

    In other words, if someone makes a crazy offer the Yankees are likely to move on.

  277. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    rtsp://r4—sn-jc47eu7k.googlevideo.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQkrY5EZrmc8KxMYJCAkFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYOWmtbK2zNzaUAw=/0/0/0/video.3gp

    Sons of Champlin are like Earth Wind and Fire in a way, love it. Their musique belongs in a white Dodge challenger avec Barry Newman making Vanishing Point forever.

  278. pete2 December 28th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    jerkface, Tanaka did not face much top quality competition in the WBC and was used in relief except for 1 start against Brazil.

    Daisuke was supposed to average 95 and he never averaged much more than 92. While Tanaka may top out at 96 he sits on 90-92.

    Also, there has been a deadball in place the last 3 years in Japan. HR rates are drastically down from 2010 and ERA’s down 0.5-1.0. The ball was juiced a bit in 2013 from the 2011-2012 balls but still far more dead than in 2010 and earlier.

  279. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    been a electric lineman for over 40 years.. worst storms for us were Ice Storms and Heavy Snow Storms with wind & leaves still on the trees….

  280. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Kim Cardes ” Nobody Knows ” from, Vanishing Point-tres beautiful song.

  281. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    rtsp://r6—sn-jc47eu7r.googlevideo.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQmctnF_T4QefhMYJCAkFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYOWmtbK2zNzaUAw=/0/0/0/video.3gp

    Vanishing Point

  282. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Joeman-

    You don’t still get out there do you ?

  283. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Again, if you thought Matsuzaka averaged 95 you were probably reading an american publication. Theres less misinformation now because you can just go watch the NPB games on streams and see some of the data for yourself. There will still be dumb articles with bad facts, but that has nothing to do with japanese velocity. Its clueless american hype, ala the gyroball.

    These guys don’t even know how the CBA works most of the time, can’t expect them to know whats going on in another country.

  284. mick December 28th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    mills its a beautiful day?

  285. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    mick, it is indeed a beautiful day, I have the director’s cut of Vanishing Point around here somewheres; MTU would appreciate all that dry desert land filming. Whatever happened to, Barry Newman?

  286. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    And to be fair even to the misinformation, Matsuzaka averaged 93-94 on his 4-seam fastball in 07. He had very good stuff, he could get out major leaguers, but his command wasn’t great and he got injured.

  287. pkyankfan69 December 28th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Melky Mesa signed a minor league deal with the Royals.. Oh darn… What will we ever do with out a guy who K’s 112 times in 314 AB’s as a 26 year old in AAA???

  288. exiledintampa December 28th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    White Bird

  289. mick December 28th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Marrying Maiden…Beautiful Day

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znaclFvZcPc

  290. blake December 28th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Dice K didn’t throw strikes….if he had he probbaly woukd have been more successful.

    Tanaka pounds the zone by the accounts I’ve read

  291. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    rtsp://r7—sn-jc47eu7k.googlevideo.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQkxWgHBTq29-hMYJCAkFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYOWmtbK2zNzaUAw=/0/0/0/video.3gp

    black bird

  292. mick December 28th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    Soapstone Mountain

    Beautiful Day w/ Jerry on guitar

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXJHR7MSgY8

  293. exiledintampa December 28th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Znf2oa_rGo

    It’s A beautiful Day

    White Bird

  294. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
    Joeman-

    You don’t still get out there do you ?
    —————————
    yep

  295. pete2 December 28th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Not really jerkface. The 95-96 mph came from a Japanese blog.

    http://matsuzaka.blogspot.tw/2.....chive.html

    He may have topped out at 95 once in a blue moon, but it was a rare thing.

    I think his velocity probably profiles like Tanaka. You may see a 95 mph once in a blue moon on a pitch around the eyes, but for the most part you will be looking at 92 in the zone.

    As for Japanese velocity I have no idea. I do know that before pitch f/x velocity in MLB became standard it was all over the place because teams used different methods and the hand operated guns were subject to operator variance. Even now you can have as much as 2 mph difference between parks. What its like in Japan one can only guess.

  296. mick December 28th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    What about Me…Quicksilver

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBvjXhUSUpU

    a classic

  297. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    where’s trisha..

  298. mick December 28th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUHlxBZMiqw

    Fresh Air…Quicksilver

    mills will like this one…..”Have another Hit.”

  299. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    Joeman-

    What about the knee.

    Not a problem for you now ?

  300. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Marrying Maiden are great, I’m surprised I missed them;….must be my dumb Canadian ways.

  301. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    mark mulder signed with the angels?

    damn, i thought he retired like 5 years ago!

  302. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    MTU December 28th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
    Joeman-

    What about the knee.

    Not a problem for you now ?
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    no climbing just bucket work

  303. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    one more year and done

  304. mick December 28th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Marrying Maiden are great, I’m surprised I missed them;
    ==============
    They are Quicksilver Messenger Service, the song is M. Maiden

  305. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Joeman-

    I was gonna say.

    ;)

  306. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    40 years as a lineman and you lived to tell about it.

    Impressive.

    You guys are worth every penny.

    :)

  307. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Thats a blog by a regular guy and he doesn’t even say he averages 95: “His repertoire includes a four seam fastball that is clocked at around 95-96 MPH, and at around 92-93 when he locates on the corners or at the knees.”

    Its not really a ‘he averages 95′ or ‘he sits at 95′. His 4seam could reach 95-96, but he usually sat 92-93.

  308. Chip December 28th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Blake,

    Verducci nailed the Tanaka question on the head. Yes, he’s 25 with great stuff, but he has thrown a ton of pitches already in his career, well more than any major league pitcher averages. So while the body is 25 how old is the arm?

    I’m not saying don’t sign him, but it’s not a no-brainer, can’t miss signing. It could go very badly very quickly.

  309. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    mick, thanks, I’m catching up as we speak. Ever see Polanski’s ” the Tenant “? I also like Cronenberg’s ” the Brood “.

  310. blake December 28th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Verducci nailed the Tanaka question on the head. Yes, he’s 25 with great stuff, but he has thrown a ton of pitches already in his career, well more than any major league pitcher averages. So while the body is 25 how old is the arm?”

    Meh….he’s had extra rest between starts too and how many pitchers actually give out due to mileage at 25…..he just turned 25 too. If he was 30 Id be hesitant…..at 25 though not as much

  311. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    but he has thrown a ton of pitches already in his career, well more than any major league pitcher averages.

    NOT REALLY. I already named a ton of starters who threw that many pitches by that age. And again his article came from a false premise: that NPB innings are equally stressful to major league innings.

  312. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    I imagine Trisha has been putting dinner on for forty people in her home,…..glad its not me! :D Trish, if you’re out there, I’ve got the Hillarious House of Frankenstein and Dave Stieb on the go, you best be watching out when I roll into town, mon ami.

  313. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    The baseball in NPB is now very similar to the MLB ball. That shouldn’t be a concern.

  314. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    If you want to say that major league pitchers generally don’t throw lots of innings before age 25, I’d say sure, thats because most pitchers either suck before age 25 or are hurt. Good pitchers throw hella innings before age 25. CC, Clemens, Maddux, Glavine, Kershaw, Verlander, King Felix, etc.

  315. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    you named pitcher who threw that many innings if you added there ncaa innings to their pro innings.

    you didnt name any who pitched as many mlb innings as tanaka has npb innings. thats not the same.

  316. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Cripes, Nolan Ryan didn’t need a pitch count. In addition, I hope Dickey throws until 103 like, Niekro.

  317. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    you didnt name any who pitched as many mlb innings as tanaka has npb innings. thats not the same.

    MLB innings are not equivalent to NPB innings.

  318. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Sabathia had nearly 1200 innings at age 25 … in the majors.

  319. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    just as ncaa innings are not equivalent to npb innings.

  320. blake December 28th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Most pitchers are in the minors for much of their pre 25 games as JF says….building their innings. Genetics play a but part in pitcher injuries I’m convinced…..that, mechanics, and just plain luck

  321. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    and tanaka has 1315, so sabathia does not have as many innings either.

  322. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Yea except that of the guys I am naming, they did not pitch the majority of their innings in the NCAA. So feel free to discount their NCAA stuff, these guys all threw tons of innings before age 25.

    You throw lots of innings if you’re a good pitcher and healthy. Who woulda thunk it?

  323. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Its insane – ” you have tossed 100 throws which means we automatically take you out whether you’re hurting sort of like David Clyde or not “.

  324. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
    Sabathia had nearly 1200 innings at age 25 … in the majors.
    ————————-
    lot of innings in that arm for a 32 year old

  325. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    listen i dont even believe the innings factor is going to be as big as verducci seems to think it will.

    but the yankees shouldn’t just dismiss information like this, it is significant.

    i dont think its a reason not to sign him but it needs to be considered.

  326. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    CC..2775 innings pitched not counting ST and playoffs

  327. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    and tanaka has 1315, so sabathia does not have as many innings either.

    Tanaka had 1315 NPB innings, ys guy. How is that any worse than Sabathia pitching 1200 in the majors on less rest vs tougher competition?

  328. blake December 28th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Sabathia started slipping at 32…..if you sign Tanaka for 6 or 7 years and he follows a similar track as CC then he should be good for pretty much his whole contract.

    Again if Tanaka was older Id be concerned but he just turned 25…..even if he’s thrown a lot he still should have a lot left in that tank at his age

  329. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Tanaka will learn to become, Tanana. Does this make any sense?

  330. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    hard to say who had the better first 2 seasons in mlb, nomo or darvish.

  331. pete2 December 28th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Jerkface, the regular guy was in Japan and watched every game. I mean, 95-96 mph is 2 mph more than 93-94 mph and 92-93 is 1-2 more than 90-92. Point being what he claimed to be was overstated. 1-2 mph is a lot.

    Maybe it was the added work load of pitching every 5 days or the fact Daisuke was in decline having lost velocity over the 2 previous years before being posted, but Daisuke declined rapidly before being injured after only 2 years. You don’t like to see that on your 100 million dollar investments. At his best, Daisuke was not very good. His best year was 2008 when he could barely finish the 6th inning and needed a very good bullpen to bail him out.

    Tanaka fits a similar profile as Daisuke. Similar velocity profile, albeit a better splitter. High workload at an early age. Declining K rate (although Daisuke maintained his K rate in the NPB despite losing velocity).

    Tanaka also had the advantage of a dead ball in the last 3 years which dropped ERA’s 0.5-1.0 and reduced HR’s which may make him look more awesome than he is. If you adjust for that his stats look like Daisukes, with a lower K/9.

    I still want to take a chance with him since the team just does not have it without another top line starter, and even then they need someone like Drew and Rodney to balance the roster. I don’t think they are prepared to offer what is needed to get him though. 189 is in their heads.

  332. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    It will be ever so humorous if Tanaka signs for 140 mill plus and his arm falls off. If he does it here in Toronto, I’ll take him out for Sunday brunch.

  333. Pat M. December 28th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Tanaka has upside because of his age, expense and possible upper tier talent. However, if you start chipping away at the cost factor then his shine begins to diminish somewhat. Unlike The Jerkface’s proclamation that he must be signed at all cost, he’s might not be worth the price tag. Besides, he has a very readable and flat fastball , maybe MLB average. I love to see the Yanks sign him however 20 million for even 5 years is nuts.. What I was hearing last week at the golf event was that he wasn’t as good as Dice-K…..

  334. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    both won 19 games, nomo had the lower era and lower whip. darvish had more strikeouts but he was pitching his home games in a much more pitcher friendly park. still nomo’s era+ was higher for the 2 seasons.

  335. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    sorry bad edit, nomo had the pitchers friendly park and darvish had the bandbox.

  336. Ys Guy December 28th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    nomo followed those 2 excellent seasons up with 7 crappy ones.

    nomo was a year older than yu when he came over.

  337. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Give me the splendid silent sun
    with all his beams full-dazzling,
    Give me juicy autumnal fruit ripe and red from the orchard,
    Give me a field where the unmow’d grass grow

  338. blake December 28th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    “Tanaka fits a similar profile as Daisuke. Similar velocity profile, albeit a better splitter. High workload at an early age. Declining K rate (although Daisuke maintained his K rate in the NPB despite losing velocity).”

    Tanaka throws strikes….Dice K was afraid to

  339. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Don’t compare Matsuzaka to Tanaka. Matsuzaka averaged 3.2 bb/9 in the NPB, Tanaka 1.9 and his last 3 years were 1.1, 1.0 and 1.4. Tanaka pounds the strike zone, Matsuzaka did not, and his bb rate went up when he came over for that reason.

    As far as innings pitched, it’s pointless to compare, every pitcher is different. But Tanaka pitched over 200 innings only twice in his 7 years in the NPB. Darvish did it 4 times. His arm has not fallen off.

  340. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    joeman, you can visit here anytime, I only cut the backyard once or twice a season if they’re lucky.

  341. blake December 28th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Dice K didn’t have near the control/command that tanaka does and the numbers back that up…..

  342. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    If the question is whether or not Tanaka represents a significant risk I think that answer is easy.

    IMO he does.

    Any unproven pitcher costing the sum he likely will command is going to be that way.

    It’s for the Yankees to decide their particular risk tolerance vs. the potential reward.

    I really do not care what they decide as long as they fill the middle of their rotation with someone
    worthwhile.

    If that is Tanaka great. If it is someone else that’s fine too.

    Just make sure it happens.

  343. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    He was also 2 inches shorter than Tanaka in worse shape with worse pitching mechanics. Matsuzaka was still a good pitching prospect, with good stuff. They can’t all be winners!

  344. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    And since Tanaka seems to be somewhat similar to Kuroda, I think Kuroda could definitely mentor Tanaka on how to make the adjustment to MLB. Japanese people generally have more respect for seniority (age) than americans, I’m sure if Kuroda talked to Tanaka he would listen.

  345. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    I want Tom Seaver, or else I’m taking my ball and going home…

  346. RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    joeman my brother worked about the same as a lineman for Niagara Mohawk.

    And time in Nam with the Seabees.

    First thing he said to me when he visited my new house is that big white maple on your front lawn needs to come down or will be on your roof the next big storm.

  347. RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Trisha’s back must be getting the best of her.

    I hope she’s feeling better.

  348. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
    joeman my brother worked about the same as a lineman for Niagara Mohawk.

    And time in Nam with the Seabees.

    First thing he said to me when he visited my new house is that big white maple on your front lawn needs to come down or will be on your roof the next big storm.
    ——————————————–
    lineman are always looking up…

  349. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    RIB, I can’t believe how people don’t worry about trees more. I refuse to have anything growing over my abode or precious ’91 Prelude. We’re irreplaceable! As MTU knows, I’m a plant guy, I just don’t take chances like that.

  350. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    nite all….little shout out to Aaron Rodgers tomorrow

  351. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Trish, best to you, get some rest, the remaining ones of us are doing fine out here.

  352. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    I’m thinking the Yankees are going to go at least 17 over 5 or 6.

    Possibly up to 20/per.

    Will that be enough ?

    Who frickin’ knows.

  353. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    one more before I go…..

    like I said last week Cubs will be ALL IN on Tanaks…

  354. joeman December 28th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    Tanaka..sorry tired

  355. ron December 28th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Kershaw might end up being the highest paid player in mlb history.
    It is going to cost the dodgers a gazillion dollars for him.

  356. RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    Mr. Mills

    My house is sits on an acre surrounded by big old tree of all types and one of the reasons I bought it, A beautiful lot except for the black walnuts which attract the squirrels.

    They love brick and to sharpen their teeth on the side of my house. Some of the bricks are actually concave, I have to spray it with a repellent.

    I bought a pellet gun last year but I’m a lousy shot.

  357. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Squirrels love walnuts. Nothing like lying in bed and hearing ‘dem nuts upon a tin shed.

  358. RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Maybe the Yankees will be in on Kershaw too.

    The Dodgers better get that done early.

  359. Jerkface December 28th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    What I was hearing last week at the golf event was that he wasn’t as good as Dice-K…..

    -

    What did these guys say about Darvish? Who are they? How much did they see Tanaka?

  360. RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    They bury the black walnuts in my lawn and then dig them like they have this week when the snow is down.

    Holes all over the place, I hate them.

  361. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    My florist/lanscapper friend goes to war every fall with squirrels. Tries to bury and mask the tulip bulbs all he can lest he has some pissed off client.

  362. bbb51 December 28th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Tanaka is better than Matsuzaka. Really not a good comparison.

  363. Pat M. December 28th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Face….Go back and read my comments about Darvish back in 2011. There was very little doubt about his skills and how it would translate in the Bigs. Although thus far he’s been better than expected. The question was the 120 million dollars it would take to obtain him, and as we know Hal wasn’t spending money on him or the Cuban outfielders. So now they have to spend huge money for a lesser commodity and for what they spent on Ells they could have had Cesepdes, Soler and Chapman with money left over. The ” They ” are players both current and former, scouts and evaluators. Many think Ervin Santana could be the guy who will keep throwing well as 2013 wasn’t a fluke but rather finally reaching a sense of comfort with himself. Angels have been trying to replace him ever since they made the mistake of moving him.

  364. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Dice-K was a nibbler.

  365. RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    The deer ate my tulips last spring. That’s another story.

    I’m ready for combat and why I bought the pellet gun I’m just afraid the neighbors will see me and call the cops.

  366. RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    MTU

    So true of Dice-K, and why he would have a high pitch count early in games.

  367. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    RIB, don’t come up here, they’ll call the cops for sure! :D

  368. RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    I can see me up on the roof in camo like Chevy Chase with my pellet gun.

  369. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    How would Santana sound in Toronto? hmmmm, I’m going to have to think about that.

  370. RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Carlos would probably sound better.

  371. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    RIB, don’t slip, we don’t want to have to fix you at 2 a.m..

  372. RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    I don’t have night vision goggles, but it is a good idea.

  373. Pat M. December 28th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Dice-K nibbled just like Igawa nibbled because they couldn’t get their fastball past Big League hitters like they did in Japan. Besides guys don’t chase high cheese in the Bigs when they see it often

  374. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    I need night vision goggles during the day

  375. MTU December 28th, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Have a good night guys.

    Time to turn it over to the night crew.

    See ya’ manana.

    :)

  376. RhapsodyInBlue December 28th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Yeah about that time.

    Night folks.

  377. jmills December 28th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    I guess me too, nite, nite.

  378. Pat M. December 28th, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    Puig busted for driving at 110 mph in Naples Florida. Dodgers need to nip this crap in the bud real fast

  379. bardos December 28th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    The only logical Yankee bid is: shop us the highest bid you have and we’ll beat it.

  380. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 29th, 2013 at 6:47 am

    Going through my usual post holiday exhaustion/several days of feeling lousy (sore throat, etc.) and having trouble sleeping so I channel surfed and found MLB’s Top 20 WS Games – #12 – (Game 4 of the 2001 WS). I tuned in just as Mr. Bloody Sock was taken out of the game and Kim came in. First WS game ever played in November. Brian Cashman had a full head of hair, as did Derek Jeter. And some VERY perspicacious Yankee fan held a sign saying “Mr. November”!

    I don’t watch the MLB network so didn’t know about the top 20 WS games. I wanted to see the rest of the countdown so looked ahead to find when they’d be on. I couldn’t find any in the next 3 or 4 days but did find the following: Top 40 DS moments in ML history; Top 40 LCS moments; Top 40 WS moments; Top 50 most bizarre moments in ML history; Top 40 breakout performers from 2013; 2009 WS moments; and the history of the Fall Classic. I mention them in case anyone is interested in watching. I’ve DVRd all of them.

    Also 2013 unforgettable ejections, all-time top 9 pitching seasons, all-time top 9 hitting seasons, top 9 all-time “could have beens” (I’m expecting to see game 7 of the 2001 WS in there :( ), top 9 all-time pitching rotations (definitely expect to see the Yanks in there), top 9 all-time best relief pitcher seasons (we know who’s a given!), and top 9 all-time lightning in a bottle pitchers (Aaron Small?).

    If you need a baseball fix, you might want to check any/all of those out!

    *************
    I was REALLY surprised to hear Rick Sutcliffe say that the Yankees should NOT go after Tanaka but should go all out to get Grant Balfour because DRob doesn’t like closing and has shown he can’t do it! I have never heard DRob say he doesn’t like closing. In fact, I’ve always seen/heard the opposite. SMH on that one.

    Can’t remember who else was on but one of the other commentators said the Yanks should do both – go hard after Tanaka AND get Grant Balfour.

    Time for more television.

  381. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 7:20 am

    Trisha,

    How is your back?

  382. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 7:36 am

    Good morning.

    Bobby Valentine had glowing reports on Tanaka. But then he added this:

    … “If I was him, I would pitch in the National League,” Valentine said. “I would pitch on the West Coast and I would pitch where the weather isn’t going to be a factor.”

    Well, Bobby V, Hiroki Kuroda, owner of an A1 splitter was even better pitching in NY in the AL, than he was in LA.

  383. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 7:42 am

    More info on Tanaka.

    ===
    Rosenthal: MLB on guard against shenanigans in Tanaka posting process

    … “It is a violation of the agreement for any value other than the posting fee to flow directly or indirectly to the Japanese club,” said Rob Manfred, baseball’s chief operating officer. “The agreement is brand new and we want to make sure that people follow the agreement.”

    … OK, the scenario probably is far-fetched. Still, one major league executive says “back-channeling” is indeed the biggest concern under the new agreement, citing another way in which teams could coerce Japanese clubs to post players.

    … Of all the possibilities, perhaps the most realistic is the one that already has been broached — the idea of Tanaka somehow repaying Rakuten by making a donation to the team.
    MLB, of course, could view the donation as an illegal kickback. Such a plan, one source said, also would be “very inefficient” — Tanaka would be taxed on his major league income in Japan, and Rakuten would be taxed for any revenue he contributed to the club.
    Source: Fox Sports 12/28/2013 via Sponichi 12/29/2013

    Rakuten Eagles President Yozo Tachibana clarified that Tanaka has plans to donate money to the prefecture, not the organization.

    Source: Sports Hochi 12/29/2013, Sports Hochi 12/29/2013
    ———

    Austinmac- is the prefecture the local government in Japan? If Tanaka plans to donate money to the prefecture isn’t he basically just paying taxes then?

  384. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    YT,

    It sure seems like giving money to the government. MLB, it would seem to me, can prevent back room deals to get a posting agreement, but can they do anything if in a few months Tanaka wants to memorialize his time with the team by a gesture of thanks? I doubt it. It is his money.

  385. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Tanaka, Balfour and Baker. Drew would be nice, but I don’t see that happening.

    I check other newspapers for Tanaka talk in other cities. There is very little. It probably only means all teams are playing their cards close to the vest.

  386. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    AustinMac, is this what you’re hearing from the Rangers?

    Texas Rangers on Tanaka, from MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan:
    “We’re probably comfortable where we are in terms of financial commitments,” Rangers co-chairman Bob Simpson said. “Tanaka would be a tough thing. We aggressively went after Yu, who we are fortunate to have. I guess I should never say never, but at the moment, we’re more interested in just rounding out our team than marquee players.”

  387. blake December 29th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    If the Yanks can’t or won’t spend on Balfour then they should at least take a flyer on Hanrahan and try to rehab him….he won’t be ready for opening day but should be back around May or June. They need another big arm out there with experience.

  388. blake December 29th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    The Dodgers and Cubs are probbaly the biggest competition for Tanaka…..the Dodgers don’t need him as badly as the yanks and Id think the Yanks would have the edge over Chicago if the money is close. I really think this is just about the Yanks paying him the amount it’ll take……

  389. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    YT,

    I have checked closely lately and have seen no indication the Rangers will be involved. I think they are not going for another huge contract. They have taken on two already this winter.

  390. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Teams that are rumored to be very aggressive in going after Tanaka, besides the Yankees:

    Dodgers
    Angels
    Mariners
    Cubs
    DBacks
    Red Sox
    Tigers

    My thoughts.
    Dodgers have more than enough starting pitching, and will spend to retain Kershaw. Don’t need Tanaka.

    Red Sox would likely go over the threshold with Tanaka, and don’t really need him either.

    If the Tigers plan to use the money saved by trading Fister and Fielder, on Scherzer, doubt they sign Tanaka.

    DBacks- Just don’t think he would sign to play in the desert.

    Mariners- if they think they could be the Rays of the West, great pitching and a big superstar position player, they will be a major threat. Trouble is, for them, their organization is terrible, unlike the Rays..

    Angels- are they going to toss more big bucks after being disappointed by Hamilton and Pujols?
    Maybe.

    Cubs-I just don’t get why the Cubs would want to have all their salary tied up in one player, thinking they could actually improve enough in their very tough division.

    Your thoughts?

  391. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    YT,

    I think those are fair assessments. If the Yankees really want him, I think the Dodgers would be the one obstacle. My thought is, if they are not sure they can sign Kershaw, would they soften the potential blow by signing Tanaka?

    We need him. We want him. But, how much is too much? Where will they draw the line?

  392. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Blake

    I’d like the Yankees to add a lefty for the BP. Eric O’Flaherty, 28, should be back, reported as early as May, although IMO, that might be pushing it ( he had the surgery last May)after TJ and here are his splits in 2011, before he started to experience some trouble.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....-oflaherty

  393. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Good morning.

    Wanzies said he’s heard the Yankees are “all in”.

    :)

  394. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    YT-

    O’Flaherty was really good before his injury.

    TJS success rate is very high.

    I’d be a player for sure.

  395. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    Rumors that have been reported:

    5 years, 100M
    17m per year

    Therefore the total package needs to be > 100M, the minimum in years, five.

    I’m going to surmise that 17M/year for 7 years-119M will get you through the front door, but that the total dollars will need to be closer to 140M for 7 years, 20M/year, to get you seated at the negotiating table.

    Thoughts?

  396. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    YT-

    My thoughts are that is a boatload of cash for an unproven Pitcher.

  397. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    MTU

    It is a boatload of money, but…….. Wouldn’t the increase in ticket sales and memerobilia, help in a significant way, pay for a portion of that contract? If your Plan B is Garza, and if you lived in NYC, would you pay to see Garza?

    Not me. This team needs to add his splitter, his pinpoint control and bring this rookie to spice up the current veteran team.

  398. pkyankfan69 December 29th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    I think the only way we lose Tanaka is if a team like the M’s or Cubs offer him something absolutely crazy… like $150M+

    I really don’t think the Dodgers/Rangers/Tigers/DBacks/Sox will be major players.

    M’s are the WC… Can they spend another $120M+ longterm on another player?

    Cubs seem to be all in but unless they blow the Yankees offer away why would Tanaka play for a perennial loser who hasn’t really had much of a Japanese player connection in the past?

    I think we sign Tanaka for something around 6 years $120M with the $20M post fee on top

  399. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    I am ready for a new post,as I am tired of looking at the photo. The guy on the right looks like Boras and the guy on the left looks like Boras just cleaned him out of every dime.

  400. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 8:47 am

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