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Week in review: Predictably quiet (with one big exception)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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The week of Christmas is typically a slow week for baseball news, and this year was no exception. Except, of course, for one huge exception.

Masahiro Tanaka has been posted. Despite the new rules, the Rakuten Golden Eagles have granted Tanaka’s wishes and made him available to all big league teams. He will sign with one of them within a month, and he seems to be a perfect fit for the Yankees wants and needs. It’s the kind of news we’ve been waiting for all winter, and it just happened to come on Christmas Eve.

Now there’s a different sort of wait as the bidding will likely carry into late January.

Tom Verducci, who’s written extensively about pitch counts, has noted that Tanaka’s workload is pretty extreme and a cause for concern. Still have to think several teams will decide he’s worth the financial risk. Meanwhile, Major League Baseball is working to make sure those teams don’t find a way to sneak extra money to Rakuten in the process of signing Tanaka.

It’s still an ongoing story, but the past week did bring at least one significant answer: Tanaka is available, and the negotiations have begun.

Pinstripe Bowl Football• Notre Dame beat Rutgers in the Pinstripe Bowl. Not exactly Yankees news, but it did happen at Yankee Stadium, so that’s something.

• Melky Mesa signed a minor league deal with the Royals. The long-time Yankees prospect has always kept people’s attention with his raw tools, but he’s also struck out far too often to be considered a truly elite young player. He got a little bit of big league time with the Yankees, but not enough to be a real part of their future plans. He was released and ultimately landed with Kansas City.

• Former Yankees Mike Hegan and Paul Blair passed away this week.

• Regular season came to an end in the Dominican Winter League, and Zoilo Almonte finished with pretty good numbers. Probably not enough to make him a favorite for a big league job next season, but enough to suggest he’s healthy and has a shot to make the team in spring training.

• Having been designated for assignment last week, pitching prospect Brett Marshall was lost on waivers when the Cubs claimed him. Not a bad pitcher at all, but had a bad Triple-A season that might have given the Yankees some hope of slipping him through waivers and keeping him in the organization.

• Bob Klapisch reported that an Alex Rodriguez suspension decision could come in “very early” January, suggesting we could be only days away from finding out how much time Rodriguez will miss (and how much he’ll be paid).

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322 Responses to “Week in review: Predictably quiet (with one big exception)”

  1. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    MTU

    If the Yankees did get Bailey, I’d still be in on Tanaka, since Homer is a FA

  2. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Mac-

    I don’t think Garza will settle for just 3 years but those are the kinds of decisions the Yankees front office has to wade through.

    Comparing the relative values of Tanaka vs. other choices.

  3. mick December 29th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    He looks a little like Toad Irabu in pic above.

  4. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    YT,

    I would also go with Tanaka. Young, with potential to be very good.

    And Hal, with Phyanks buying a jersey, costs are already being recouped.

  5. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    YT-

    Your greed knows no bounds.

    :)

  6. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    MTU,

    Those numbers for Garza are what fangraphs had estimated. It is lower than other numbers I have heard.

  7. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    MTU

    Aren’t we all on the same team?

    Team GREEDY- Show Me The Money!!!! :)

  8. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    At 20 Mil per I have some cold feet on Mr. T

    That is almost what CC makes.

    Thankfully he has been heavily scouted.

    His market is kind of a perfect storm in his favor.

    Glad it’s not my decision.

    Way above my pay grade.

  9. mick December 29th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Tanaka is only the beginning whether they get him or not.
    With Bailey, Kershaw, Scherzer, Lester available next year we will build on what we have or don’t have.
    No wonder the naysayers have been sparse.
    Success bothers them for some reason.

  10. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    YT,

    Yes, sir, we are Team Greedy. If done effectively, Team Greedy can become Team Victorious leading to Team Income.

  11. mick December 29th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Why are they greedy?
    Hal just wants value for his dollar.
    If they were greedy we would still have Cano.

  12. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Mick,

    What naysayers? We have been POed for the lack of spending on young, good players since 2009. Now, they are at least trying. Nothing to complain about from my perspective. That is, if they finish the job.

  13. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Mick-

    I agree.

    The idea that the FA will completely dry up is nonsense IMO.

    The lure of FA will always be there.

    We turned over a lot of our roster this OS.

    Maybe we do a Sux and take it all next season ?

  14. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Hideki Irabu was not a terrible pitcher, like Igawa.

    Looking at his best year in 1998, he was extremely good in away games , at night, vs lefties.

    If I remember correctly, one year he flirted with a no hitter .

    1998 splits:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....deki-irabu

  15. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    MTU,

    The reality is salaries have probably gone up 20% since CC signed his contract. Nolasco gets $13M/yr.

  16. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Mac-

    I understand but I still it represents somewhat of an issue when a completely unproven guy winds up getting almost as much as the Ace of your staff.

    Inflation or not that seems a bit disjointed to me.

    ;)

  17. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    What is Tanaka’s ceiling and floor ?

    Especially the floor.

    That is the 64k question and should drive everything else.

  18. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    I originally posted that I didn’t think the Dodgers would be aggressive on Tanaka, because they have a full complement of starters. Two of them are rehabbing, in Billingsley and Beckett, leaving Ryu, Haren, Kershaw and Greinke.

    Maybe if they do sign Tanaka, they will try and package Kemp or Ethier with Billingsley or Beckett?

  19. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    CC wouldn’t care, I don’t think. But, you are right. He could be no better than Garza etc. It is a risk they need to take, at least up to some number.

  20. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Yankees must try to get insurance on Tanaka’s arm if it is not prohibitively expensive.

    And they must see his floor as a #3 at the worst.

    Or else they might be wise to move on.

  21. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    YT,

    Billingley is recovering from surgery as I recall and Beckett looks very washed up. So, they could use Tanaka but he would be no. 5 for them at first.

  22. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Tanaka’s split and slider are both ++.

    His curve is avg.

    C and C ++

    2 types of FB’s.

    The 4-seam is avg to plus depending on how you value movement.

    Shuuto should be helpful.

    It’s all there.

    Just have no idea how it comes together in the US.

  23. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Here are my disjointed thoughts subject to change at any time.

    Tanaka gets 7/126 plus various perks and signs with the Yankees, with Casey Close working a legal partnership of sorts with the Yankees and the Takuten Eagles.

    ARod gets double what his “buddy” Braun got, loses all appeals and his case against the Orthopedist. At some point, maybe in 2015, he has recurring issues with his hip/hips and has to go on lengthy stays on the DL, and will have to undergo a total hip resurfacing or replacement, pretty much ending his playing days, while collecting his salary.

  24. RadioKev December 29th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    That Verducci article is shallow pseudo-science.

    His point is how rare it is for a pitcher to have thrown so many innings so young, but if it’s so rare, the sample size is too small to draw any real conclusions.

    He even acknowledges that the workload is different in Japan, so it’s perfectly reasonable to question the validity of how he compares NBP and MLB workloads. He also doesn’t really compare Tanaka to other Japanese pitcher workloads & injury histories, besides Darvish.

    And even with Darvish he’s audacious in saying, “But the story only has begun. He only now is approaching the kind of wall that Nomo hit but Kuroda avoided.”

    I’d love to see Verducci get one exec to question Darvish’s future.

  25. RadioKev December 29th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Cafardo recently spoke with a few GMs who feel the Yankees may wind up with Ubaldo Jimenez, even if they land Tanaka. “He had an excellent second half, has great stuff, and he has the type of personality that would fit New York,” one GM said. “He doesn’t let things get to him. He’s good at shrugging off things and turning the page.” If the Yankees ink both pitchers, it’s pretty difficult to see them staying under the $189MM mark.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....um=twitter

    Except for that whole Tulo tussle.

    I like Jimenez more than Garza.

  26. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    It’s understandable but there’s way too much talk about the Yankees getting Tanaka as if it’s a fait accompli. Cafardo made some good points today, don’t count the Red Sox out.

  27. pkyankfan69 December 29th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    No thanks to Ubaldo… The guy stunk in 2011 (4.68 ERA – 1.40 WHIP) and in 2012 (5.40 ERA – 1.61 WHIP)… Seems to me he dialed it up last year in his contract year because he was trying to get paid.. My money is on him reverting back to 2011/2012 form if/when he does get his big payday this offseason. You know his stuff isn’t going to get any better as he heads into his 30′s… Pass

  28. pkyankfan69 December 29th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    If we lose Tanaka I wouldn’t spend big money on any of the “big 3″ MLB pitching FA.

  29. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    If he could “dial it up” last year why couldn’t he do it again?

  30. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Jimenez’ fastball is down to 92. He walks too many. The Sox would have him at 100 pitches in the 4th inning.

  31. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    We act as if Tanaka is likely. I would say 50-50 at best.

  32. pat December 29th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Went to a party Friday night and one of the guests was a professional arbitrator. He said in his opinion, unless something major has been proven and yet to be reported (which would be amazing based on the # of leaks), Yankees better count on paying about 2/3 of Alex’s salary this year.

    He said arbitrators rely heavily on industry precedence especially where a union is involved. He said if he found MLBs case credible, he would rule in the 50-65 game range because that was the punishment meted out to others for similar infractions. He also said he would have a hard time advancing an MLB obstruction claim because they appear to not be able to make that claim with clean hands.

  33. DONNYBROOK December 29th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Watched Notre Dame in Yankee Stadium yesterday. The sod was an absolute Embarrassment. Players making routine cuts were having the ground give out from underneath them. Halfway thru the 1st quarter, most players just stopped attempting to make cuts, and ran close to straight ahead. I hope the Yankee OF’ers do Not have to deal with the same conditions. Absolutely abysmal.

  34. DaSaint007 December 29th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Anything less than MLB’s stated suspension is a victory for ARod, but I wouldn’t be surprised. regardless, they’re blowing by 189M.

  35. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Another great article on Tanaka :

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....t-starter/

    Be sure to pay attention to the Split in the 2nd video and the slider in the 3rd.

    :)

  36. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    My mistake.

    I think the slider is the 4th video.

    3rd is the curve I think.

  37. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    MTU
    The splitter is unhittable
    The 94 mph fastball is straight
    The curve is nothing special
    The slider,looks much like the splitter, downward arc rather than sweeping lateral motion away from the right handed hitter.

  38. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    YT-

    Did you notice that it came out of his hand looking exactly like the FB ?

    In fact, all of his stuff pretty much does.

    His split acts a lot like a devastating curve that just rolls off the table at the last moment.

  39. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    MTU

    The fastball

    He ends up with the release point of a shorter pitcher, so Tanaka’s fastball doesn’t feel like it’s being thrown downhill. But, Tanaka doesn’t look to be a success because he has a league-best heater. He looks to be a success because he could have a league-best split, with a heater that’s fine and a slider that’s better than that. Koji Uehara doesn’t have an awesome fastball, himself. It just seems awesome when hitters have to worry about an unhittable splitter that tumbles out of the zone.

  40. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    YT-

    Another important thing is that hitter won’t be able to just lay off that Splitter because Tanaka can throw it for a strike.

    It is definitely a devastating out pitch.

    They didn’t show his “shuuto”, or running FB.

    He definitely comps well to Kuroda IMO.

  41. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    MTU

    And the same question arises about the baseballs in Japan being smaller. Will he get the same action over here with the splitter? If Uehara and Kuroda did it, I would think Tanaka will be able to succeed with that pitch

  42. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    YT-

    Tanaka’s mechanics can be tweaked.

    But he has so much command they might just want to leave him alone.

  43. mick December 29th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    As far as all that “building a core” stuff goes, we are.
    McCann and Ellsbury are the beginning.
    Even Beltran for the next few years.
    Getting back to their winning ways will attract other important parts and they could even be young.
    Of course with Tanaka and future FA pitchers, Lester interests me greatly for obvious reasons,
    we are back on our way, last year being an aberration.

  44. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    YT-

    I don’t think it will be an issue.

    Kuroda should be able to help him get past any speed bumps.

  45. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    MTU
    That’s the key. The splitter crosses the plate as a strike. I remember the Indians in the playoffs were laying off Wang’s hard sinker, because they were getting many of them called as balls, running up his pitch count and pinning two losses on him.

  46. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Mick-

    Looking down the road a bit we might have Harper.

    Next year when Hiroki packs it in we can go for Bailey, Lester, or Kershaw depending on who is available.

    We also have another year to see how Banuelso and J-Ram do.

  47. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    It is YT.

    He can command it so well he seems to be able to put it exactly where he wants.

    Even if you are able to put wood on it it’s is not likely to be a very good swing.

    Most likely a GB.

  48. mick December 29th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Without the injuries last year we are a playoff team, no doubt.
    Yes we are getting older, but good teams get old together.
    All of the other noise was just spoiled Yankee babies not getting their entitlement fulfilled.

  49. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    MTU

    You want Bailey. The Reds want Gardner plus.

    They ask for Gardner, Claiborne or Phelps, and Sanchez, and will give you a 48 hour window to extend Bailey.

    Do you make that deal?

  50. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    “No wonder the naysayers have been sparse.
    Success bothers them for some reason.”

    Was this necessary? Oh I forgot you are just a multiple screen name using bullying jerk who can’t help but cause trouble.

    But on Lohud it’s ok because some find you “amusing”. SMH

  51. mick December 29th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    we can go for Bailey, Lester, or Kershaw depending on who is available.
    =======
    MTU

    I think Lester is more practical and might even cost close to Kershaws value b/c of his value to our main competitor.
    Want to check is agent.

  52. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    “He said arbitrators rely heavily on industry precedence especially where a union is involved. He said if he found MLBs case credible, he would rule in the 50-65 game range because that was the punishment meted out to others for similar infractions.”

    Thanks Pat

    Makes sense to me.

  53. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    YT-

    No.

    I just get Homer as a FA if that’s the price.

    Sanchez is the deal breaker for me.

    You also have to be able back fill GGBG.

    I’d want to get a guy like De Aza. That takes a young BUC at least.

  54. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Mick

    Without the injuries, the Yankees would have made the playoffs. Would their starting pitching have gotten them thru the first round?

    Sabathia was hittable
    Kuroda had faded

    Would Pettitte and Nova gotten them to the next round ? Also the BP was not their usual lock drown self later in the season.

  55. mick December 29th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    They ask for Gardner, Claiborne or Phelps, and Sanchez, and will give you a 48 hour window to extend Bailey.

    Do you make that deal?
    ==================
    No. Why would you when you can get Bailey for free next season?
    Would rather try to develop a 5th starter from within esp if getting Tanaka.

  56. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Mick-

    In all likelihood Lester won’t make it to FA.

    He loves Farrell.

    And loves being a Sux.

  57. Vince December 29th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    A few thoughts on Tanaka:

    1. He’s posted the same age as Darvish and to this point has only thrown about 50 innings more.
    2. He will likely only pitch through his age 31 season in his first MLB contract. IE: The chances of his arm exploding are slim, so his “work load” in Japan is overblown.
    3. Still not convinced? He only pitches once a week there.
    4. He has a straight FB that can reach 96 but sits in the low 90′s. It is said to be straight so the speed doesn’t translate as well as say, D Rob’s FB.
    4. He has an elite splitter (Kuroda, Schilling caliber) with a legitimate slider (both put away pitches) and a serviceable curveball.
    5. The huge difference maker here is he is said to have excellent control and that’s manifested in his numbers. He could and probably should be a young Kuroda in his prime.
    6. I personally project him as an elite 3, solid two starter. He’s a definitive notch above Matsuzaka (even if you just compare their control) and is comparable but inferior to Darvish. Darvish is 6’5, Tanaka is 6’2 so they’re both good frames.

  58. mick December 29th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Without the injuries, the Yankees would have made the playoffs. Would their starting pitching have gotten them thru the first round?
    ============
    YT

    Maybe not, depends who we were playing.
    Det owns us.
    The team needs a lockdown pitcher, for sure.

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 29th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    austin – thank you for asking! Back is absolutely fine. I went to PT once and decided it wasn’t for me. Every once in a while I can feel it getting cranky, but if I pop a pill, that takes care of it. I’ve really really been pushing and have had nothing that comes anywhere near what I had going on. Sometimes if it feels a little tight and I don’t bother to take a pill, it also resolves on its own. I’ve decided I’m good to go. Here’s hoping the back continues to agree!

    :)

  60. Vince December 29th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    I think the rotation would be: Kuroda, Tanaka, CC, Nova, battle of 5th starter, which means everyone would be slated where they should be even if CC improves just a little bit and Kuroda regresses just a little bit, but as most have stated, CC’s improvement really decides the caliber of the rotation with or without Tanaka.

  61. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Each WAR is worth about 5 Mil.

    Projections for Tanaka have him at 3.1 WAR.

    So 15 mil or so would be fair.

    Except in this inflated market w lot’s of competition.

    Therefore closer to 20 IMO.

    ;)

  62. mick December 29th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Looking down the road a bit we might have Harper.
    =================================
    What about Trout?

  63. Vince December 29th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    I think given his market, Tanaka breaks 20 million.

    I can see a 6 year/126 million dollar deal, with most teams refusing to give that sixth year or going over 20 million. For the Yankees, given they are East coast and have high state income tax, they will have to exceed 20 and then a little bit on top.

  64. mick December 29th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    CC’s improvement really decides the caliber of the rotation with or without Tanaka.
    ========================
    Which is why they need Tanaka and ?????

  65. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Trisha-

    Glad to hear you are feeling better.

  66. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Trisha,

    Get the McKenzie book on home back exercises. It will help prevent recurrence.

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 29th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Lester is also a fan of mysterious green goo. But if you’re into cheaters, pull out all stops!

    :roll:

    (just saw the Lester post when mine posted).

    Outta here. I’m going ice skating with my niece and SIL. First time for my niece, so it should be interesting. Also my dad’s birthday. Happy birthday dad.

  68. RadioKev December 29th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 10:01 am
    Jimenez’ fastball is down to 92. He walks too many. The Sox would have him at 100 pitches in the 4th inning.
    ———

    Jimenez still strikes out a ton of guys, more than Santana or Garza.

    I somehow doubt he was just content to suck in 2011. I imagine he was physically struggling with his mechanics. He sure got them sorted out last season.

  69. mick December 29th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Look who’s BACK…

  70. Vince December 29th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Mick:

    I would be fine going to battle with Tanaka, CC, Kuroda, Nova leading my rotation. Phelps, Warren, Banuelos, Nuno and Pineda are enough depth (and Pineda could be a huge difference maker if he’s healthy). They don’t NEED a veteran arm in addition, but if they’re going to blow the payroll out of the water (which I think, ultimately, if they land Tanaka, is the new game plan) they might as well grab a reliever and veteran starter along with a veteran lefty reliever on a minor league deal.

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 29th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    MTU, thank you. :)

    austin – absolutely will do it. I’ll check out Amazon right now. I am definitely into preventing a recurrence!

    *************

    Later y’all.

    :)

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 29th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    “Look who’s BACK…”

    :D

    Back, and forward! To the ice rink!

  73. Baby Ruth December 29th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Hey Trisha, you have a nice (yet exhausting) Holiday ?

    Did you get my email in followup to the candy bars ?

  74. mick December 29th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    work on that core everyday trish, or at least every other day…
    crunches, situps will strengthen the back and front,
    beware of snow shovelling.

  75. mick December 29th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    god knows how important that core is.

  76. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Trisha-

    Did you ever get any pain management shots in your back ?

  77. mick December 29th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Vince

    Just picking up on what you said about CC.
    If he isn’t himself and Tanaka moves into his spot, you then have 2 of Pineda and etc competing for the 4 and 5 spots.
    Could be hairy.

  78. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Vince

    Couldn’t agree more. The BP is filled with to many ? Marks. As I’ve stated before, O’Flaherty might be the best choice to sign this lefty to a deal with incentives, based on when he returns after TJ surgery.

    Also would like another quality arm to compete with Kelley for the 8th inning, or with DRob for the 9th. Crain? Balfour ? Both with concerns about their health.

  79. Ys Guy December 29th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    cannabis is excellent for pain management.

  80. Vince December 29th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Personally, my biggest concern is health, in general. Yes, you can’t plan for it, but the Yankees do a great job of making the roster a higher risk for catastrophic injuries.

    CC is a smart pitcher. He’s more a Pettitte/Mussina than a Hughes. Both the aforementioned names dealt with brutal transition seasons when they lost their velocity and then recovered. I think Sabathia can and will do the same.

    His days of being a shut down ace are probably over but he can match Kuroda if he figures it out. The Yankees can have three front-end arms next year and you can order them 1-3 however you’re comfortable. Nova is the fourth starter regardless. He has to be if the Yankees want to contend. Then you have your four or five guys trying to take that fifth spot and own it.

  81. mick December 29th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    I see Santana on a Mil/ST invite as a no brainer.
    Better get him, if we haven’t spoken to him already, before another team does.

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 29th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    austin – one more thing before I go. (found the book, by the way). When I went to PT, the therapist told me that walking was great exercise for what I have and that I should do it without the back brace to help strengthen some important muscle (forgot which). So I will definitely be helping myself out with my walking routine.

    mick – she mentioned core so maybe that’s the muscle she was talking about. No snow shoveling for me for sure.

    MTU – I got quite a few shots when it was still kicking up. The cortisone didn’t really help but I found the tramadol to be great. Tramadol is given in the butt, on the side opposite the pain. I’d recommend those to anyone who needs a quick fix.

    I will now not read any more posts as it’s always tempting to go for “just one more”. But I will check you out when I get back.

    :)

  83. Vince December 29th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Yankee: Yes, the bullpen needs some more stability. Cashman can’t let his last few years of makeshift success get to his head like he did with the offense last year.

    Sign Balfour or Rodney and sign Crain or O’Flaherty. Doesn’t necessarily have to be a lefty as long as they can dominate lefties. You need one late inning arm and one equal opportunity arm in my mind. D Rob/Balfour (he’s 36 but i’m confident in his health)/Crain/O’flaherty/Kelly is a legitimate late-inning core.

  84. Yankee Trader December 29th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Enjoyed the morning. Time to go.

    Have a great day.

    Until later.

  85. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Trisha-

    If it becomes too much of a problem you might want to consider an arthroscopic disc laminectomy.

    I know people who have had them.

    Extremely successful w a relatively short recovery time.

  86. mick December 29th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Walking and always stretching is the key.
    Of course, not spending too much time at the computer keyboard will also help.
    Keep the back straight and look directly at keyboard,not down at it, lower the chair.
    This always revolves around a strong core, can’t forget the CORE…

  87. Chip December 29th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Time for my annual stump for Jose Canseco for the Hall of Fame:

    First thing’s first – this has nothing to do with anything Canseco did as a player.

    The Hall of Fame is a museum that’s dedicated to the history (good and bad) of baseball. It commemorates all the major events that have shaped the sport. Find me a non-player in the last 20 years other than Bud Selig (and maybe Don Fehr) who have had more of an impact on the game than Canseco. You can’t do it.

    Consider this – Jose Canseco’s book has led to the following:
    A comprehensive JDA for the first time in league history
    The Mitchell Report
    three of the biggest superstars of our generation (Clemens, Bonds, Alex) going from icons to punch lines
    A year in which no players were elected to the Hall of Fame based on suspicion of PED use

    I’m not saying that these are good things. I’m not arguing that Canseco did this out of some altruistic need to clean up the game – he did it because he was angry about not getting a contract offer and decided to adopt a scorched earth policy to keep himself relevant and make some money.

    The fact is that he did it though – and right or wrong he has had an immeasurable impact on the game and should be acknowledged in the Hall of Fame.

  88. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    I think Jose has a better chance at being Mayor of Toronto…time to grind that stump…

  89. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Chip

    Sorry that’s crazy talk. No way does any of that constitute “Hall” worthiness. A Wiki page is more relevant than HOF plaque.

    But you bring up a good point….has this good citizen HOF model gone too far? I think the whole morality of who gets in is just….wrong.

  90. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Anyone think the Yankees will try to short-circuit the process on Tanaka ?

  91. Vince December 29th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I go to museums for history, not political correctness. Just like I wouldn’t want to go to a museum in Germany and see a decade missing, I want to go to the HOF and see everything. The guy who shattered the home run record (and 50 years from now, I want to laugh at the facts surrounding it. “Oh, he used illegal substances to do it? What a loser!” I want to know the all-time hits leader, the guy who threw a WS even though he was great in it.

    I want the full history of a game surrounded by mystery and crime.

    And I want it all to be completely fair. Put Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod in the HOF but don’t give them a speech and annotate everything they accomplished with disclaimers and asterisks. It’s the best way to preserve history but not reward crimes.

  92. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Ys Guy December 29th, 2013 at 11:06 am
    cannabis is excellent for pain management.

    ==============================

    especially made into a ointment…does wonders, and no side effects…although some want it just for the side effects :)

  93. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Probably get an A-Roid decision the 1st week after New Year’s.

    Likely to pump up the budget #.

  94. Baby Ruth December 29th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Chip:

    Agree about the …… ‘The Hall of Fame is a museum that’s dedicated to the history (good and bad) of baseball. It commemorates all the major events that have shaped the sport’

    Canseco did his ‘scorched earth program’ but still didn’t really benefit monetarily as he is still trying to earn a few bucks here and there to scrape by. (lost his house, filed BK also I believe)

    In followup to your Canseco ‘stump’, Pete Rose should be in there as well.

  95. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Pot is good for pain but terrible for your waistline.

    ;)

  96. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Yea, they should have a asshole wing of baseball

  97. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Howler-

    Surprised you got that one thru the filter.

    :)

  98. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    me too :)

  99. Baby Ruth December 29th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    ‘Probably get an A-Roid decision the 1st week after New Year’s’

    ===========

    New Year and hopefully some great news there, then we can hum ………. naa, naa, naa, naa, say hey ………. GOOD BYE !

    Sooner the better

  100. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Getting an A-Roid decision will clarify the budget situation.

  101. RadioKev December 29th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    MTU December 29th, 2013 at 11:30 am
    Anyone think the Yankees will try to short-circuit the process on Tanaka ?
    ————

    They were very aggressive on McCann, Ellsbury and Beltran, so I imagine they will be with Tanaka.

  102. Ys Guy December 29th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    canseco can get in the hall whenever he buys a ticket just like the rest of us.

  103. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    “Getting an A-Roid decision will clarify the budget situation.”

    50-65 games is my guess.

    Which is good because they need him.

    BTW isn’t “Aroid” kind of childish? Should we call Cervelli…… Cerviroid too?

  104. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    nah…Roidvelli works much better :)

  105. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    I don’t see any way that A-Rod gets more than a 50-75 game suspension. Arbitrator Frederic Horowitz is a pro who will make his decision based on facts and precedent not hyperbole and rumor. That having been said, MLB didn’t do themselves any favors by behaving inappropriately in their investigation; especially in their dealings with witnesses. I can’t stand A-Rod and I wish he were gone from this team forever, but that’s not in the cards in my opinion.

  106. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Howler

    :D

  107. pkyankfan69 December 29th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Today’s forecast for central NJ… 44 degrees with 100% chance of heavy rain.

    Oh joy!

    Potential for the first big snowstorm of the year for the Tri-state area on Thurs/Fri this week though, that might be some fun!

    Maybe there will be some exciting baseball news today?

    At least there are some “play in” NFL games today… No Romo makes the Dallas/Eagles game less interesting though…. Was looking forward to watching Romo’s yearly choke.

  108. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    I see about 75 games for Alex…might actually be good for the Yankees…comes back rested for the second half, doesn’t have to wear himself out over the early part of the year in bad weather and worse conditions. Yankees can get their hit team in place if he gets close to Mays.

  109. Doreen December 29th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    The HOF should set up a rogue’s gallery of sorts that would allow them to tell the entire baseball story. And Ty Cobb should be moved there…

  110. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Think about all the great players that will likely never be in the Hall of Fame because of steroids. I think they were great without juicing that’s what’s such a shame. A-ARod, Manny, Bonds, Clemens, etc.

  111. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Sure Doreen…could call it…Racists, Gamblers, Cheaters, and Thieves…sounds almost like an old Tony Orlando song.

  112. Baby Ruth December 29th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Ys Guy December 29th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    canseco can get in the hall whenever he buys a ticket just like the rest of us.

    ==========

    :lol: !

  113. GregD December 29th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    If everyone had fought the MLB suspensions (all those investigated and suspended), they probably would have gotten them overturned because of the shadiness of the investigation. The fact that everyone else accepted their punishment pretty much rules out A-Rod getting away with anything less than 50 games. I suspect it will be 65, the same as Braun but A-Rod has had no positive tests that count like Braun did….so that may make it 50.

  114. Baby Ruth December 29th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    ‘Which is good because they need him’

    ===========

    Only one who needs ‘Roidboy’ is himself. They love one another.

  115. Baby Ruth December 29th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Howler December 29th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    What do u think ? We have a pool for the date he lands on the DL after the 75 ?

  116. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    hmm…would have to figure in the amount of days it’d take to pass Mays…probably a day or two after.

  117. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    When A-Rod passes Mays, it should be one of the most ignominious “celebratory” events in baseball history. One would hope no Mays fan would attend the game, stand or applaud. Or anyone who respects the game for that matter. How many home runs behind Mays would A-Rod be if he hadn’t juiced all those years?

  118. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Tar-

    Sure. Call Cervelli anything that pleases you.

    As far as A-roid.

    I’m just tired of the whole circus that surrounds him.

    Not saying it is all is fault but quite a bit of it is IMO.

  119. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Had the pleasure of meeting Mays when I was younger…got to speak to him for a time…one of the classiest people I’ve ever met…shame he’ll be passed by Arod.

  120. RhapsodyInBlue December 29th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Canseco belongs in the hall for this play alone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbIHRGUesZQ

  121. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    I knew it was going to be that play before I even clicked on it…the circus does have a HOF doesn’t it?

  122. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    MTU

    I was just using Cervelli as example of how I think calling Alex “Aroid” is childish. You may not care what I think…which is perfectly ok…. but just letting you know my perspective of what name calling sounds like to me….childish.

    BTW same goes for players on other teams such as Ortiz.

  123. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Tar-

    As w anyone you are entitled to your opinion. As am I.

    And my opinion is that I am sick and tired of A-Rod.

    So I guess we’ll just agree to disagree on that one.

    ;)

  124. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    I generally don’t have much disdain for players on other teams unless they’ve been shown to be complete jerks (I gave the filter a break MTU) some of the nicknames are jokes though…once Arod came around…seemed the ….rod nicknames started popping up all over…every team had to have one.

  125. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    MTU

    You are missing my point completely…I think.

    Everyone is tired of the whole…..circus surrounding Alex. I have no problem whatsoever of you not liking him, or of being tired of him, or even wanting him gone for good.

    Anyway I think we both are tired of talking about him right now….so to change the subject what do you think about Tanaka?

    :twisted:

  126. Baby Ruth December 29th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    ‘One would hope no Mays fan would attend the game, stand or applaud. Or anyone who respects the game for that matter. How many home runs behind Mays would A-Rod be if he hadn’t juiced all those years?’

    ==============

    Never ever want to see that POS pass Mays, Ruth or even Bonds.

    Gonna throw a block party if he is suspended for the whole 2014 season.

  127. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Tar-

    I have put so many words down about Tanaka it isn’t even funny.

    Guess you missed a lot of them.

    In a nutshell, I think he is a potentially great reward but also a great risk at the money it will take to get him.

    My preference would be a proven guy like Bailey.

    Absent him I’m interested in Tanaka.

    I’m glad it isn’t my decision.

    We definitely need a mid-rotation SP IMO.

    How about your take ?

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock December 29th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Tar,

    I also find that epithet extremely offensive.

  129. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Tony Gonzales is playing the last game of a 17-year career today, 17 years as a tight end in the NFL. All-Pro tight end nearly every year. An amazing athlete, sure-fire unanimous HOF first rounder. And he’s a great guy, too. Almost brings tears to my eyes to see him go. God speed, Tony!

  130. Hankflorida December 29th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    I have come to the conclusion that Tanaka will not put on the pinstripes, and the Yankees will have to rely on Warren, Phelps, Pineda and Nuno to round out their staff. My concern is the right field porch in the Stadium and how pitches up in the zone can turn into home runs, and the way Tanaka pitches could be a perfect fit for the Yankees except for the cap that will still be in play for next season.

  131. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Howler

    I appreciate humor and sometimes I think the name calling is just an attempt at being humorous. But mostly I just find it to be playground name calling and it just sounds so childish.

    MTU

    I was kidding about Tanaka, sorry. And yes I think the Yankees should be all in on Tanaka.

    J ALfred

    Always great to see you

  132. J. Alfred Prufrock December 29th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    exiledintampa and The Straw,

    Rooting for you guys today!

    Also hoping my young guys go out on a high to complete their learning curve for the year, and spoil Miami’s postseason plans :)

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock December 29th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Tar,

    back at ya :)
    ///

    GO JETS

  134. pkyankfan69 December 29th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Atlanta should have traded Gonzales to KC when it was obvious they were out of it to give him one last shot at chasing a ring. Considering KC is where Tony G spent most of his career it was an awesome fit… Too bad it didn’t happen.

  135. J. Alfred Prufrock December 29th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Apologies to GF (well, not really ;) )

  136. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Tar-

    When you are kidding I suggest a :) at the end.

    It helps make your intentions clearer and helps avoid misunderstandings.

    Not everything is obvious via the Internet.

    ;)

  137. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    MTU

    I gave it a reverse :D , :twisted:

    which means I was more being bad, than kidding.

    :D

  138. Baby Ruth December 29th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    ‘As far as A-roid.

    I’m just tired of the whole circus that surrounds him’

    =========

    +1

  139. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    I was never that fond of it myself…it’s pretty much run it’s course, but I don’t get overly offended by it…I never liked Arod nickname to begin with…I would only call him Alex while watching games, wasn’t going to go a step lower. He already has the scarlet letter…no need to add the roid to it.

  140. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    I feel like a referee…two dogs going at it tooth and paw at my feet…

  141. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    See you guys later.

  142. Howler December 29th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    seeya MTU

  143. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    I want Alex back as soon as possible. He’s the best thing out there for what the Yanks need, he’ll have had plenty of time to heal and get into shape, and he’ll be motivated as all hell. If he gets hurt again, so be it, but while he’s healthy, watch out, AL East. My money’s on 65 games, same as Braun.

  144. exiledintampa December 29th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Thanks JAP. Watching Jets Fins myself today. We shut out the Fins last week. It’s your turn.

  145. pkyankfan69 December 29th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    As the team sits today, wouldn’t it make more sense to play Jeter at 3B and Brendan Ryan at SS?

    CF – Ellsbury
    3B – Jeter
    RF – Beltran
    C – McCann
    DH – Soriano
    1B – Tex
    2B – Roberts
    SS – Ryan
    LF – Gardner

    Isn’t there more upside with Ryan’s defense at SS then Kelly Johnson’s bat?

  146. NYY fan in NH December 29th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    when and if Arod comes back. With a full spring behind him he should be productive. We all saw what he did at the end of last year (without any spring training basically). He crushed the ball for a couple of weeks before his legs gave out. He’s a better option than anything else out there at this point.

  147. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    I’ve got all my New Year supplies in house: Pickled herring for Mrs. T’s Swedish heritage, black eyed peas, onion and ham hock for hopping john, and collard greens, for where we live. All guarantee prosperity for the new year. Anybody else have New Year’s necessities?

  148. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Tom

    Good call on Gonzalez earlier. Still making all the plays today. Great, great career.

  149. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Tar,
    Tony’s like Jeter. Could play another year, and another after that. Unlike Derek, he’s not going to do it. He’s going out on top. How long is the waiting period for the NFL HOF?

  150. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    “Isn’t there more upside with Ryan’s defense at SS then Kelly Johnson’s bat?”

    IMO no.

    I would rather save Ryan for late inning defensive replacement. I would even consider a Nunez / Johnson combo until Alex comes back.

  151. blake December 29th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Bowden described tanaka as having 70 fastball command and a 70 split based on the reports he’s heard from multiple scouts……if that’s accurate then he’s going to do very well in MLB…..there are very few good splitters in baseball right now and the good ones give current hitters fits.

    As far as Arod goes…..as I have said…the yanks need to operate like he doesn’t exist right now. Even if some of his suspension is overturned…..He can’t stay healthy as hasn’t for 5 years.

    Drew is still out there and he’d greatly help solidify the left side of the infield

  152. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    blake,
    Do you have any New Year food traditions?

  153. blake December 29th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    December 29, 2013 at 2:40 pm
    blake,
    Do you have any New Year food traditions?

    Ham, greens, black eyed peas!

  154. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    blake,
    Gotta have ‘em!

  155. luis December 29th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Hello guys..Greetings from NY,

    It’s good to be back!

  156. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Welcome Luis. Have a great and successful trip.

  157. Vineyard Yankee December 29th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Happy Holidays to all you Yankee Fans ! !

  158. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Luis-

    Glad to hear you made it out.

    Happy Holidays to you.

    :)

  159. pete2 December 29th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    “And the same question arises about the baseballs in Japan being smaller. Will he get the same action over here with the splitter? If Uehara and Kuroda did it, I would think Tanaka will be able to succeed with that pitch”

    Seems they addressed the size of the ball at the same time they deadened it starting from 2011.

    http://mlb.si.com/2013/06/12/j.....baseballs/

    Its also made pitchers stats look quite a bit better in this new
    deadball era.

  160. pete2 December 29th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    This artickle claims the ball moves even more, making Tanakas declining K rate harder to fathom

    This article claims the new dead ball moves more.

    ” “It breaks better, moves more advantageously for the pitcher,” Hisashi Iwakuma of the Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles, speaking in Japanese, said of the new ball. “Whether you throw a fork or a curve or a slider, the break is bigger. Even your fastball doesn’t have to be perfectly straight; you can make it miss the sweet spot of the bat.”

    Iwakuma said pitchers could manipulate the slightly lower height of the red stitches and their slightly wider spread. ”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10.....&_r=0

  161. blake December 29th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Darvish’s k rate in 2013 was better than any he had in Japan…..I wouldn’t really worry thatch about Tanaka’s Ks for two reasons…..1) pitching is about getting outs not Ks and he had a sub 2 era each of the last 2 seasons 2) he reportedly has good command and an excellent split which is playing really well in the majors right now…..

    Tanaka doesn’t need to k 200 guys to be effective

  162. Pat M. December 29th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    blake. Do you agree with Face about signing him regardless of cost ??? Let’s say 20 million over 6 or 7 years ????

  163. chicken_stanley December 29th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Good evening all.

    Time for another one of my generally useless “out of leftfield” predictions – Nuno is gonna have such a strong ST, it will be diificult for the Yankees not to put him on the big club

  164. Jerkface December 29th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    It’s actually harder to strike guys out in the npb because they are all looking to put it in play outside of the foreign players and middle order guys. Darvish has a better k rate in mlb because everyone swings big even on 2 strikes. Tanaka said he was trying be more efficient last year rather than focus on ks. I think his split will get lots of ks in mlb.

  165. blake December 29th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Pat M. says:
    December 29, 2013 at 6:29 pm
    blake. Do you agree with Face about signing him regardless of cost ??? Let’s say 20 million over 6 or 7 years ????

    I think that’s a tough question without knowing exactly what Hal is planning…..if this budget stuff is gonna be a recurring theme then I think you have to have a point where you walk away from Tanaka…..I want them to sign him but he’s not Clayton Kershaw and he probbaly isn’t going to be a true 1 in MLB…..he profiles more like a very good 2.

    If money isn’t a factor then sure you just top anybody’s offer and get him at age 25…..but I think it’s gonna be going forward if not now.

    One way or another the yanks need to be sure they can give Kershaw any number he wants next winter if he doesn’t sign an extension…..that’s the guy you have no limit for

  166. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    JF-

    There is no question his Splitty will cause a lot of poor swings.

    many of them whiffs.

    You can’t lay off of it because he can throw it for strikes.

    Having watched it I would say the pitch is devastating.

    I can see why it is rated ++.

    ;)

  167. blake December 29th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    It’s actually harder to strike guys out in the npb because they are all looking to put it in play outside of the foreign players and middle order guys. Darvish has a better k rate in mlb because everyone swings big even on 2 strikes. Tanaka said he was trying be more efficient last year rather than focus on ks. I think his split will get lots of ks in mlb.”

    I agree….MLB hitters can’t hit a good split right now.

  168. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Blake-

    I don’t they ever be able to hit a pitch like that well.

    It is practically unhittable.

    If you have seen video of it you know.

    I posted some this AM.

    ;)

  169. RadioKev December 29th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    I don’t even know if I want any part of that upcoming Kershaw contract. It’s going to be bonkers. Guess the Yankees have to be in play for him.

    I’m mildly concerned about Tanaka’s fastball, but the split looks great. If the fastball isn’t good enough, then up go the walks and the split is less effective. He’s still worth the gamble though.

  170. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Blake-

    If you haven’t seen it watch the 2nd video.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....t-starter/

  171. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Kev-

    His slider is quite good as well.

    At least +.

  172. RadioKev December 29th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Yeah, the slider looked above average from what I saw. Still, it all starts with the fastball, as they say. I guess if he had a good fastball we’d be talking about him like an ace.

    I have to say, I do like how his ‘pitchability’ is described. Sounds like he has the ability to successfully make the transition to the MLB.

  173. blake December 29th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    MTU.
    Yea that split is nasty ….if he can locate his fastball that pitch will give hitters fits here too

  174. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    I don’t think Tanaka’s FB’s are going to be a whole lot different from Hiroki’s.

    And the command should be just as good.

    I wish I could see some video of his “shuuto”, or running FB.

    Acts a lot like a 2-seamer.

    That would be another good weapon.

  175. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    Pat M,

    Jerkface was one of the strongest proponents of Darvish, if not the strongest. He was correct. I give him some leeway. Huge risk and potential huge reward. They are better able to absorb risk. I say sign him for six/$120, if necessary presuming the scouting reports are very optimistic.

  176. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    Blake-

    I’ve seen days where Kuroda dominates hitters mainly with his slider and split.

    I don’t doubt that Tanaka could do the same.

  177. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Tanaka’s value should actually be closer to 15 or so but in this market you are going to have to pay more.

  178. blake December 29th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    I really wouldn’t have much issue going to 7/120 for Tanaka…..there is risk but you just can’t get 25 year old starters in free agency. Don’t know how much higher than that Id go but is go to there without much hesitation

  179. pkyankfan69 December 29th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    That Bears/Packers game is why the NFL is so damn good… Great game!

  180. RhapsodyInBlue December 29th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Aaron Rodgers, what a quarterback!

    Rain, snow great day of football and one game left.

  181. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Chiefs / Chargers not too shabby either.

    Pat M

    100 million is not what it use to be. Why so worried about the cost of Tanaka?

    Young, slots right into the rotation….. enough people like him enough to make me think he is well worth any risk.

    Besides it’s only Hals money…. how will it affect him if the Steins if he is a bust? Not much I would think.

  182. mick December 29th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    This is all we got here.
    Luis is in NY and nobody welcomes him?
    Very rude.

    Hey Luis, where are you in the Apple?

  183. mick December 29th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    What a day of football!
    Nothing beats the Red Zone channel.
    NFL playoff system is the best.

  184. pkyankfan69 December 29th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Did we sign Tanaka yet?

  185. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Go. Iggles.

  186. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Mick,

    Pay attention. I welcomed him.

  187. RadioKev December 29th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    MTU December 29th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
    I don’t think Tanaka’s FB’s are going to be a whole lot different from Hiroki’s.
    ———

    I haven’t seen much of his 2-seamer, only the four. If he actually can run it up to 96, he should be more than fine, but I kind of don’t believe that. Maybe he’s got a little deception too, I dunno… maybe we can add a little movement to it.

  188. mick December 29th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Mac-good job!
    I noticed after, so did MTU.
    Is he in NYC?

  189. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Kev-

    I have not seen the “Shuuto” either but I would like to see some video of it.

    The first video I posted earlier shows his 4 -seamer w a velocity reading.

  190. Against All Odds December 29th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    luis December 29th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
    Hello guys..Greetings from NY,

    It’s good to be back!

    —————

    Enjoy your time in NY Luis :D

  191. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Will we get any news this week on any front? I would guess things are pretty slow until the new year.

  192. Jerkface December 29th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtjC1MDulxI

    You can watch Tanaka pitch an entire inning here, including running his 4seam up to 96 mph (154 km). He gets the 2nd out on a first pitch ground ball with a 90 mph shuuto that is moving down and away from a lefty. It will move down and in on righties and down and away on lefties. He gives up a ground ball single later in the inning on the pitch. But he gets the third out of the inning on a shuuto after 2 guys reach.

    This is from the climax series (Championship series in NPB) where he came in to get a save on 3 days rest.

  193. Carlo December 29th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Ideally – this is how January plays out in my eyes:

    Arod suspension comes next week, 81 games. Gets him back on the field in July and puts us over 189.

    Now that we are through 189, we forget about it completely and we do the following;

    7 and 120 for tanaka.

    Balfour for a year with a nice salary – given the injury he might be willing to take a year at 10 mm

    Sign one of garza or Jimenez for 4 and 55-60

  194. Jerkface December 29th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    That game is game 4 where the Eagles were trying to clinch to go to the Nippon series.

  195. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    JF-

    How accurate are the guns over there.

    Any idea ?

  196. Jerkface December 29th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    Any radar gun could be inaccurate so its not really for me to say but I think the readings on that broadcast are reliable. When its consistently getting his offspeed stuff at the right velo you can trust its true on the fastball.

  197. Jerkface December 29th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Japan doesnt have quite the fastball obsession that the MLB has so theres not really much reason for them to juice the guns to be honest.

  198. MTU December 29th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Thanks for that JF.

    Just wondered.

    I’ll look at that video when I get a chance.

  199. Jerkface December 29th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Darvish pitched in the same league as Tanaka and his velocity was true when it came to the majors, so theres that!

  200. blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    “He gives up a ground ball single later in the inning on the pitch. But he gets the third out of the inning on a shuuto after 2 guys reach.”

    Here’s the pitch from Tanaka…..it’s a ground ball to 3rd and it’s off Nunies knee cap and past a diving Jeter into LF.

    They really need to sign Drew

  201. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    I don’t think there should be a concern about Tanaka’s straight four-seamer. Unlike a Phil Hughes who doesn’t have an out pitch, Tanaka does with his split and slider. He will just be spotting his fast ball selectively, depending on the count. With good commend if all indications are to be believed. Of course he leaves one up in the zone to Cabrera he’ll get hurt like anyone else.

  202. austinmac December 29th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Good play by play Blake. Made me laugh.

  203. chicken_stanley December 29th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Blake – I haven’t posted much in the last several days; just been lurking… nothing of any importance to say. But I jump at any opportunity to argue with you :D

    Again, I agree Drew is a good ballplayer… but he doesn’t help the current roster appreciably… the current roster is extremely susceptible to LHP… Drew makes them even more so. JMO

  204. blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Again, I agree Drew is a good ballplayer… but he doesn’t help the current roster appreciably… the current roster is extremely susceptible to LHP… Drew makes them even more so. JMO”

    The current roster is also very susceptible to catching ground balls and throwing out runners…..I think drew would add 3 or so wins to what they have now….JMO

  205. mick December 29th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    so you get drew and arod comes back in june.
    jeter is jeter again.
    drew would not want that..

  206. blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    mick says:
    December 29, 2013 at 9:35 pm
    so you get drew and arod comes back in june.
    jeter is jeter again.
    drew would not want that..

    Arod doesn’t exist right now….if he comes back he can play some at 3B and DH until he gets hurt

  207. blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    I still think Alex will be suspended most of the season anyway

  208. Carlo December 29th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Drew, while an upgrade, is not worth the requisite contract. He’s not very good. Guy made swisher look like a clutch player last October.

  209. mick December 29th, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    Drew isn’t coming into this situation, be realistic.
    And we won’t pay him what he wants..

  210. blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Carlo says:
    December 29, 2013 at 9:39 pm
    Drew, while an upgrade, is not worth the requisite contract. He’s not very good. Guy made swisher look like a clutch player last October.

    He was amazing defensively in the playoffs and that’s a really small sample to make anything of offensively…..

  211. mick December 29th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    ..even if arod is out for season, which he won’t be.

  212. mick December 29th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    why did they bother to get johnson if they had any intention to get drew?

  213. chicken_stanley December 29th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    The current roster is also very susceptible to catching ground balls and throwing out runners…..I think drew would add 3 or so wins to what they have now….JMO

    ——-

    At the risk of alienating you as a friend, I’m ok with Nunie as a platoon 3B.

    If Drew were signed, what happens to Johnson? He has no role whatsoever… they can’t trade him (I think the rules say until June)… the Yanks would have to release him and eat whatever they signed him for (2 mil?)

  214. blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    With the current club the yanks need strikeout and fly ball pitchers…..they really have the opposite. Kuroda, Sabathia, and Nova are all best when they are getting ground balls…..this infield D is gonna hurt their staff…..how much is hard to say but currently the left side infield defense they have is probbaly the worst in baseball

  215. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Johnson’s your second baseman.

  216. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    It’s no surprise to anyone that the infield is a big concern, but it’s only December. Cash and company are well aware of this. Does Jeter stay healthy all year? I think it’s not a good bet to make. Brian Roberts is probably washed up and the odds of him staying healthy for more than a half a season is slim. Nunez and Ryan won’t get it done long term. Gotta’ hope Jeter proves me wrong. Third base? I haven’t a clue at this point.

  217. blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    “If Drew were signed, what happens to Johnson? He has no role whatsoever”

    Well they aren’t paying him much but ideal he’d be a utility guy and play a little 3B, a little 2B, back up 1B and even DH some maybe vs RHP.

    Ideally Id sign Drew and move Jeter to 3B and let Johnson play there when Jeter either was off of had a DH day……that’s not gonna happen but it’s what they should do

  218. blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    You have Jeter at 3B and Drew at SS and suddenly the worst left side defense in the game becomes at least average and maybe even better than that if Derek adapted well to 3rd…..they either need to do that or they need to try to trade for a SS like Gregoriois to have around in case it becomes a big problem or Jeter gets hurt

  219. Carlo December 29th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    It’s not just the October sample size. Offensively he is nothing to write home about, especially over te last 3 years. Ryan is just as sound a glove and the money drew would command doesn’t make sense from an offensive impact perspective relative to Ryan.

  220. blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Balfour is just sitting there ripe for the picking too and the only reason not to have already signed him is the budget

  221. blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    “It’s not just the October sample size. Offensively he is nothing to write home about, especially over te last 3 years”

    .770 OPS last year when he was healthy….he hits RHP well…..he struggles vs LHP but when he’s been healthy he’s contributed with the bat and in YS he might hit 15-20 homers ….he’s a way better hitter than Ryan

  222. chicken_stanley December 29th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    I hope we can agree to disagree… if Drew is signed then he will be MY GUY… I just don’t think its the right move for the team.

  223. blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    chicken_stanley says:
    December 29, 2013 at 9:55 pm
    I hope we can agree to disagree… if Drew is signed then he will be MY GUY… I just don’t think its the right move for the team.

    Sure…..I get that he has warts….my point is that the pursuit of perfection shouldn’t get in the way of getting better and drew is about the best short term option at SS there is. Troy Tulo isn’t walking through that door and neither is a young Derek Jeter

  224. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    I have not been a Hal fan but no one can say anything rationally about him being unwilling to spend money this offseason after committing almost $300 million to sign Ellsbury, McCann and Beltran. He’s also seemingly keeping his word that $189 would not stand in the way of fielding a team that could compete for a championship.

  225. blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Those hatin on Drew….I just don’t wanna hear any complaining about them getting ground ball hit to death next year ;)

  226. mick December 29th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    If Drew is your choice for SS, with Jeter still here, why would he want to come here, whether we want him or not.?

  227. blake December 29th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    I have not been a Hal fan but no one can say anything rationally about him being unwilling to spend money this offseason after committing almost $300 million to sign Ellsbury, McCann and Beltran. He’s also seemingly keeping his word that $189 would not stand in the way of fielding a team that could compete for a championship.”

    Lets see what they do first…..cause right now they have gone right to the 189 line and are standing there apparently reluctant to cross it…….they may already be over it if Arods suspension Isn’t upheld but I still think they are considering staying under if Alex missed the whole season……that would mean passing on Tanaka but as long as 189 is mathematically possible they still could decide to do it……as this is their only really chance to do so for years

  228. chicken_stanley December 29th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Troy Tulo isn’t walking through that door and neither is a young Derek Jeter

    ——–

    Lol. I never thought I’d see a reference to the Pittino/Celtics quote on here. Well played, Blake :)

  229. blake December 29th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    mick says:
    December 29, 2013 at 9:59 pm
    If Drew is your choice for SS, with Jeter still here, why would he want to come here, whether we want him or not.?

    Money…..same reason most players go where they go. Drew is gonna take the biggest deal he can get regardless of role most likely…..he’s just as that point in his career where he needs to get his money if he can

  230. RhapsodyInBlue December 29th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Yeah mick red zone absolutely is the best.

  231. blake December 29th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    And currently I still don’t see this club as a title contender…..the pitching isn’t good enough

  232. mick December 29th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Yeah mick red zone absolutely is the best.
    ===============
    no commercials.
    that kills football for me.
    no continuity.

  233. mick December 29th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    And currently I still don’t see this club as a title contender…..the pitching isn’t good enough
    ================
    the season didn’t start yet

  234. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    There is no chance IMO that A-Rod gets suspended for the entire season; there is no precedent for that without a failed drug test and even then. They are not making $189 and one has to give Hal props for that.

  235. bbb51 December 29th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
    Johnson’s your second baseman.

    More likely Roberts.

  236. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    “More likely Roberts.”

    He hasn’t played more than 77 games since 2009. He’s 36 years old and can’t hit anymore. :(

  237. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Johnson’s averaged 130 games the past two seasons with 16 home runs.

  238. bbb51 December 29th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Yeah, but Roberts played the last 3 months of last year, so he seems healthy. He could always break again, but I think if he is healthy he is the second baseman.

  239. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    OK fair enough. Make that case then, if both Roberts and Johnson are healthy why would one prefer Roberts over Kelly offensively and defensively?

  240. Blojaldo December 29th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Neither will come close to replacing Cano but on this stat alone . . . Johnson has hit 32 home runs with 107 RBI’s the last two years. Roberts 8 home runs and 44 RBI’s.

  241. I Am Winning December 29th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    ARod might not be worth even half of his yearly salary at this point, but with him on the field and in the lineup he is going to make us a better team. When ARod last played consistently, he was still hitting, and I believe he can still hit, but staying healthy is going to be his issue this season.

    I don’t think MLB has any premise to ban him for an entire year, they are obviously trying to make a statement with him, which is entirely unfair in and of itself. However, MLB made the initial suspension, and they hire the arbitrators, so unless the arbitrators want to end up like Shyam Das, they need to vote in favor of keeping the original suspension.

    I hope I am wrong, the Yankees could use him.

  242. charlestonchew December 29th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    “However, MLB made the initial suspension, and they hire the arbitrators, so unless the arbitrators want to end up like Shyam Das, they need to vote in favor of keeping the original suspension.”

    Actually, both the MLBPA and the MLB have to agree upon an arbiter, which means they both have firing power. MLB chose to exercise their power in the wake of the Ryan Braun decision. I don’t imagine they would do that again, especially if the suspension is in the 100 range.

  243. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    “he struggles vs LHP but when he’s been healthy he’s contributed with the bat and in YS he might hit 15-20 homers”

    Well he can take advantage of the short porch and Drew has hit 23 homers batting LH….oh wait thats for his career. :shock:

    The guy is a platoon player who is going to get paid big bucks. The Yankees just don’t have the roster space or budget left for him. I would rather they stay under 189 (if that is even possible) than sign him.

    Career LH

    .235 .291 .390 .681

    Last year

    .196 .246 .340 .585

  244. Tar December 29th, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    Never mind…. that should have said vs LHP. he’s not a SH

  245. pete2 December 30th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    “I have not been a Hal fan but no one can say anything rationally about him being unwilling to spend money this offseason after committing almost $300 million to sign Ellsbury, McCann and Beltran.”

    As things stand now with an Arod suspension likely he has cut payroll about 40 million and saved 28 million in tax from last year, not to mention being in line to collect RS rebates. Remember, a lot of payroll came off the books with Rivera, Pettitte, Granderson and Cano departures. And the Yankees like every other team get an additional 25 million in national TV money although 30% or so goes to revenue sharing.

    Things may change though, we shall see. Obviously, if they sign Tanaka, that’s out the window, but I will believe it when I see it.

    As for Arod and the arbitrator, the MLBPA has been pretty weak in Arods defense and I am not sure Tony Clarke wants to make a defense of Arod his first action. The safest thing for the arbitrator is to give Arod a 100 game suspension. He probably wants to avoid having to go to court and defend his decision not to let Selig testify, otherwise he would probably go closer to 162 games suspension.

  246. Tar December 30th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    If the Yankees never signed Ryan or Johnson then I could see them going hard after Drew. Right now it just seems to be….. redundant.

  247. Tar December 30th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    Pat Brought up a good point earlier, Union Arbitration hearings are usually heavily dependent upon precedence. And in this case 50-65 games would seem to be the precedent. That’s my guess.

  248. bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    blake December 29th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    “Balfour is just sitting there ripe for the picking too and the only reason not to have already signed him is the budget”

    ___

    Agree. As I’ve been saying for quite awhile, the Yanks are a team in conflict. The resolution of that conflict is to spend heavily on some marquee names with the hope of combining production with fan excitement while going cheap in trying to fill certain holes like RP and 2b. Tanaka is the Rubicon. People on this site seem to be acting like he’s already signed. I think there’s a better chance the Yanks go into ST with the team you see right now.

  249. Tar December 30th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    And the MLBPA has not only been weak in Alex’s defense… but every other accused player in this matter. I have never heard of any Union acting like they have in this matter.

  250. bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    Been saying for weeks Arod will come in at 50-100. There was no precedent or rational basis for 211. That made the decision to not require Selig to testify peculiar.

    We should know by Friday but I’m not sure the result will have any meaningful impact on the rest to the Yanks’ off season.

  251. Tar December 30th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    Balfour comes with the added bonus of how much seeing him in pinstripes would piss off Buck.

    That’s worth quite a bit in itself. :wink:

  252. bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Tar December 30th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    “And the MLBPA has not only been weak in Alex’s defense… but every other accused player in this matter. I have never heard of any Union acting like they have in this matter.”

    _______

    Miller or Fehr would have attacked every single suspension like it was the stone wall at Fredericksburg. Except they would have breached it handily. Getting into military analogies tonight.

  253. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 12:38 am

    —- MLBTR:

    ‘The Yankees are the favorites to get Tanaka, but he would provide such a big boost to the Angels’ rotation that he could change the complexion of the AL West if he heads to Anaheim, Troy Renck of the Denver Post writes (on Sulia)’.

  254. Tar December 30th, 2013 at 12:43 am

    “Miller or Fehr would have attacked every single suspension like it was the stone wall at Fredericksburg. Except they would have breached it handily. Getting into military analogies tonight.”

    Yeah it was kind of inexplicable.

    Kind of like General McAuliff’s reply to the German request for surrender at Bastogne……. Nuts!

    Best I could I do I’m tired :D Good night.

  255. bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:52 am

    “Kind of like General McAuliff’s reply to the German request for surrender at Bastogne……. Nuts!

    Best I could I do I’m tired :D Good night”

    ——

    I like the line from the movie Patton (written by Francis) “A man that eloquent has to be saved!” Those guys still reject the story that the Third Army relieved them at Bastogne.

  256. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 12:55 am

    GET TANAKA NOW !

  257. bbb51 December 30th, 2013 at 12:57 am

    I didn’t say I prefer Roberts, although I might, but I think Girardi will go with Roberts at 2b over Johnson, unless he is just terrible.

  258. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 12:59 am

    ‘I like the line from the movie Patton (written by Francis) “A man that eloquent has to be saved!” Those guys still reject the story that the Third Army relieved them at Bastogne.’

    ==============

    Well someone saved them, since they had little suppllies and ammo left. Question …. if the 101st reject the notion that Patton’s 3rd Army relieved them at Bastogne then who do they say did ?

  259. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 1:07 am

    bbb51 December 30th, 2013 at 12:57 am

    Perhaps the combo of Johnson & Roberts can give us 25 HR’s 75 RBI’s 65 Runs Scored 15 SB’s and a .270 BA with adequate defense

    I would be happy with that

  260. bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 1:27 am

    Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 12:59 am
    ‘I like the line from the movie Patton (written by Francis) “A man that eloquent has to be saved!” Those guys still reject the story that the Third Army relieved them at Bastogne.’

    ==============

    Well someone saved them, since they had little suppllies and ammo left. Question …. if the 101st reject the notion that Patton’s 3rd Army relieved them at Bastogne then who do they say did ?

    _______

    http://www.commandposts.com/20.....y-soldier/

    _______

    Hey what do I know, I wasn’t there.

  261. blake December 30th, 2013 at 7:09 am

    “Well he can take advantage of the short porch and Drew has hit 23 homers batting LH….oh wait thats for his career. ”

    Tar, I’m always curious where you find your stats because they never match up with the ones I see :). ….Drew has hit 90 homers in his career an had hit as many as 21 in a season….he hit 13 last year
    In 120 games at Fenway which is why I said he might could hit 20 at YS in a full season……it’s not much of a stretch really at all.

    I get that he can’t hit lefties…..but he’s an elite defender at SS and he hits RHP very well ….which are about 2/3 of the pitchers……again we aren’t getting Troy Tuloowitski and Derek Jeter isn’t gonna suddenly get Benjamin Button Syndrome and become 27 years old again either. Drew is the best option available to solve SS for the next 3-4 years…..and his market is depressed right now……he’s not perfect no but he’s much better than what they have as a left side infielder to play with Jeter . JMO

  262. Tackelberry December 30th, 2013 at 7:12 am

    Don’t expect Tanaka to sign until right near the deadline. He’s going to take his time as he should

  263. blake December 30th, 2013 at 7:21 am

    Tackelberry says:
    December 30, 2013 at 7:12 am
    Don’t expect Tanaka to sign until right near the deadline. He’s going to take his time as he should

    Yea probably

  264. mick December 30th, 2013 at 7:34 am

    Stop with the Drew already Blake…

  265. mick December 30th, 2013 at 7:35 am

    Don’t expect Tanaka to sign until right near the deadline. He’s going to take his time as he should
    ====================
    Or it could be sooner than you think.

  266. blake December 30th, 2013 at 7:43 am

    mick says:
    December 30, 2013 at 7:34 am
    Stop with the Drew already Blake…

    No thanks

  267. mick December 30th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    its getting ridiculous

  268. blake December 30th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    Their current infield is what’s ridiculous

  269. pat December 30th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    Yankees looking to turn the neighborhood into a multi-sport complex.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.1560821

  270. mick December 30th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    1st they have to wait on arod, 2nd Jeter.
    they can always pick up a good fielding no hit 3b to join ryan at ss if need be.

  271. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    How many infielders is the team going to carry?

  272. mick December 30th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    6-7 for now, when they get Baker

  273. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    When are we trading a catcher and an outfielder?

  274. mick December 30th, 2013 at 8:11 am

    when we have to

  275. mick December 30th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    no need to trade a catcher

  276. blake December 30th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    “they can always pick up a good fielding no hit 3b to join ryan at ss if need be.”

    Why would they want a no hit 3B to go with a no hit ryan?

  277. blake December 30th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    mick says:
    December 30, 2013 at 8:12 am
    no need to trade a catcher

    Well Romine and Cervelli are redundant.

  278. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    mick December 30th, 2013 at 8:12 am
    no need to trade a catcher
    ——–

    McCann, Cervelli, Romine, Murphy, Sanchez. Fit five guys into 3 levels.

  279. blake December 30th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    I would sign Drew and Baker and then make Johnson a bench player until Roberts gets hurt.

    You’d have 7 guys that can play infield: Jeter, Drew, Tex, Roberts, Johnson, Ryan and Baker and Girardi could mix and match that a variety of ways depending on who is pitching.

    You’d have 4 outfielders: Ellsbury, Gardner, Beltran , and Soriano, and 2 catchers for 13 position players. Then a 12 man pitching staff.

    Id trade Ichiro and cut wells.

    Baker can play OF too which would make him a 5th outfielder also.

    That roster gives Girardi tons of options and back up plans for injuries…..is really good defensively and also can hit.

    And it can be made a reality ….just add money

  280. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Good morning.

    Not to change the subject, but………. What if Tanaka doesn’t sign with the Yankees, and signs with our hated rivals!

    I can’t fathom that Cashman would go #4 and #5 with Pineda/Warren/Phelps/Nuno, can you?

    Now I know that many feel Ubaldo Jimenez is losing velocity, and would be a bad free agent signing, however, From the Bill Chuck files — “From Aug. 1 on last season, the ERA leaders were: Zack Grienke (1.49), Andrew Cashner (1.70), Clayton Kershaw (1.73), and Ubaldo Jimenez (1.92).”

    He must be doing something right. No?

    Thoughts on what the Yankees should do if Tanaka stays in AlEast, but not with the Yankees, or just goes to another AL Team.

  281. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    Blake

    I’m beginning to feel that ARod might get what his buddy Braun got, 60 days. Even if it’s 100, Boras will get Drew a full time job elsewhere.

    From what I understand, Baker is almost as bad an infielder as Reynolds.

    The most important thing the Yankees need to address right now is their pitching, because quite frankly the Red Sox, Rays are better staffs in their division. Everyone of the projected current Yankees pitching staff, from their Ace to their closer, have significant question marks.

  282. blake December 30th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    “From what I understand, Baker is almost as bad an infielder as Reynolds.”

    Yes but he crushes LHP….something Reynolds really doesn’t do

  283. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Blake

    What’s your Plan B,C or D if Tanaka goes elsewhere?

  284. blake December 30th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    “Thoughts on what the Yankees should do if Tanaka stays in AlEast, but not with the Yankees, or just goes to another AL Team.”

    Well they’d have 3 options:
    1) sign Garza
    2) do nothing and try to get under 189 if Arods is suspended long enough
    3) try to make a trAde for a pitcher

  285. blake December 30th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    I don’t love any of the non tanaka options…..now that Choo is off he board Id be more hesitant to trade Gardner

  286. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    I think it’s likely the Yankees are officially over the 189M when Thornton signs, even if ARod is banned the entire season. They would likely need to unload some salary before the end of next season to avoid the 50% penalty. Plus they might not be able to add any significant salary if they need reinforcements mid season, if #2 is their Plan B.

  287. Ys Guy December 30th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    morning guy and gals,

    so im off today , thinking of doing a poll on the next post for:

    arod’s suspension and tanaka-signing team and guaranteed money?

    sound like a good idea?

  288. blake December 30th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    My 25 man would be:

    Jeter
    Tex
    Ellsbury
    Gardner
    McCann
    Beltran
    Soriano
    Drew
    Baker
    Roberts
    Cervellli
    Johnson
    Ryan

    Sabathia. Tanaka, Kuroda ,nova, Pineda, phelps, Robertson, Balfour, Thornton Kelly, betances, Claiborne/Cabral

  289. Ys Guy December 30th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    maybe ill just go with the arod poll today, since the announcement should be coming soon and wait a bit to do that tanaka poll

  290. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    So if they stay in house, you have Phelps, shelved with a right forearm injury, Nuno shelved with a groin injury, Pineda hoping to beat the 67% odds that a pitcher after anterior labral surgery can’t make it back! or Warren, vying for two spots, none of whom has pitched enough innings as a starter to last in that role an entire season!

    Just an opinion, but in that case, the Yankees might very well be out of it early in September, with further declining attendance.

  291. MTU December 30th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Good morning.

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