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Looking back: The injuries that mattered in 2013 (and still do for 2014)

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Mark Teixeira

Hard to look back on 2013 and not think about the injuries that impacted the team in the short term (and will continue to impact the team in the long term). Last week I listed all of the players who spent time on the Major League disabled list last season. Here are some of the injury-related situations that standout for 2013 and beyond.

Greatest impact in 2013: Derek Jeter
This is a tough call because so many of the Yankees injuries were significant. Curtis Granderson missed almost 100 games and forced the Yankees to lean heavily on Vernon Wells and Ichiro Suzuki. Alex Rodriguez missed 110 games, and his third base replacement missed 125 (leaving the Yankees sorely lacking in right-handed power). Mark Teixeira missed nearly the entire season, and his replacement had a rocky second half and never hit lefties. But looking for the Yankees most damaging 2013 injury — after quite a bit of changing my mind — I’ll go with Derek Jeter. That’s largely because the Yankees kept expecting him to come back. It was Charlie Brown trying to kick that football over and over again. And the Yankees primary replacements at shortstop were Jayson Nix and Eduardo Nunez, who missed a combined 116 games because of their own injuries. The Yankees had no one to fill Jeter’s shoes, and by the time they knew for certain he wasn’t coming back — at which point they traded for Brendan Ryan — it was too late to do anything of substance.

Greatest lingering concern: Mark Teixeira
Jeter. Rodriguez. CC Sabathia. Michael Pineda. Even Manny Banuelos. Whether it’s their ability to stay on the field, play a position, or live up to past production, there is some sort of lingering injury concern with all five of those guys. That’s part of the problem with last year’s health problems: They’re not necessarily finished because it’s a new season. But of all of the carry-over concerns, I’ll single out Teixiera because of the nature of his injury and the length of his contract. Hitting for power is the one thing that’s kept Teixeira productive even as his batting average has dipped. If wrist surgery has sapped that power, that’s a huge problem for a guy who’s signed for three more seasons with no in-house replacement on the horizon. There are obvious problems with the others as well — Rodriguez’s injury situation is significantly overshadowed at the moment — but a power hitter coming back from a wrist injury is pretty uncertain, and that’s more than a one-year concern.

Most unexpected: Curtis Granderson
An aging shortstop coming off ankle surgery. An aging third baseman who’s become familiar with the disabled list. A replacement third baseman with a history of back problems. A few pitchers coming back from surgery. A lot of the Yankees injuries were somewhat predictable. They weren’t certain, obviously, but it’s hard to be shocked by them. The injuries that were legitimately stunning happened to Curtis Granderson, if only because of unbelievably bad luck. Hit by a pitch in his first spring training at-bat, that broken bone forced him to miss a month and a half of the regular season. And in his 31st plate appearance off the DL, basically the exact same thing happened. Another broken bone, this time costing him more than two months. Unreal.

Most predictable: Kevin Youkilis
When the Yankees found out Rodriguez needed hip surgery, the entered into a risky replacement market. The Padres didn’t want to trade Chase Headley, Stephen Drew didn’t want to play third base, and Eric Chavez didn’t want to leave his home in Arizona. So the Yankees were left sifting through a series of unimpressive options. Mark Reynolds was out there as an all-or-nothing slugger (who ultimately played so poorly that the Indians released him), and Jeff Keppinger was a popular free agent (who signed with the White Sox and had a .600 OPS), but the Yankees went with Youkilis, who had a terrific spring training but couldn’t get his back healthy enough to stay on the field. Despite his own insistence that his injury was not a big deal, he ultimately had season-ending surgery. There wasn’t a great alternative out there, but the Yankees went with a clear injury risk and paid the price.

Lesson learned: Kelly Johnson
It’s interesting that, when the offseason got starter, the Yankees quickly signed a veteran left-handed hitter who can play second, third and the outfield (but also very quickly acknowledged that he was a backup plan, not someone intended to play every day). It was obvious insurance for Robinson Cano, but it also seemed to be a bit of injury insurance all over the diamond, an acknowledgment of what the Yankees learned last season: That their farm system is not ready to plug significant holes, especially in the infield. The Yankees were also quick to re-sign Brendan Ryan (to a multi-year deal), and they’ve grabbed a few experienced guys on minor league contracts (improving their minor league depth from the outside), and they’ve basically given themselves four everyday outfielders (with plans to give the older guys time at designated hitter).

Risking it again: Jacoby Ellsbury
There’s no such thing as a multi-year contract without risk of injury. It’s part of the territory. So, when the Yankees sign a significant free agent, it’s with the understanding that their investment could land on the DL at some point. Brian McCann and Carlos Beltran have been hurt in the past, and each is signed for a several years (Beltran in his last 30s, no less), so those two are far from risk-free. In fact, you could pretty easily argue that Beltran is the greatest injury risk of them all because of his age. But I’ll argue otherwise, if only because the Yankees are clearly planning to give Beltran some time at DH. A big part of Ellsbury’s impact comes in the field, and his value as an elite player is entirely tied to his legs. If those are hurt — and with his high-energy style of play, it’s certainly possible — then Ellsbury could become a black hole for years to come. Ellsbury without great speed just doesn’t seem to be a great player.

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101 Responses to “Looking back: The injuries that mattered in 2013 (and still do for 2014)”

  1. joeman December 30th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    there are a lot of teams in on Tanaka…..if the NYY want him they are going to have to put on a show to get him

  2. bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    I don’t think the competition for Tanaka is going to be as crazy as most people think. First of all, he really only makes sense for a small handful of wealthy teams, maybe 5-6. And second, there simply isn’t a lot of time to do this. With the clock running, he may only have enough time for adequate due diligence (visits and stuff) for 3-4 teams. Everything needs to be done (physicals, all contract terms etc) by the 25th I think. He’ll prob need to make his selection by 20th or so.

    While 5-6 teams may make serious offers, when we get to the second cut, which may be as early as next week, it will probably come down to three teams: Yanks, Cubs and one other (Angels?). That’s when the real fun starts. I think the Cubs are prepared to go the distance.

  3. joeman December 30th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    true this NYY team in 14 is going to be very fragile….

  4. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Dodgers and Red Sox are my concerns.

  5. joeman December 30th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
    I don’t think the competition for Tanaka is going to be as crazy as most people think. First of all, he really only makes sense for a small handful of wealthy teams, maybe 5-6. And second, there simply isn’t a lot of time to do this. With the clock running, he may only have enough time for adequate due diligence (visits and stuff) for 3-4 teams. Everything needs to be done (physicals, all contract terms etc) by the 25th I think. He’ll prob need to make his selection by 20th or so.

    While 5-6 teams may make serious offers, when we get to the second cut, which may be as early as next week, it will probably come down to three teams: Yanks, Cubs and one other (Angels?). That’s when the real fun starts. I think the Cubs are prepared to go the distance.
    ————————————–
    for two week now I’ve been hearing that if he posted the Cubs were going all in on Tanaka

  6. Ruby Wednesday December 30th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Dodgers and Red Sox are my concerns.

    ——–

    For Tanaka ?

  7. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Yes.

  8. bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    “Dodgers and Red Sox are my concerns.”

    _______

    See, just my opinion, but to go all in for Tanaka, you have to be a little bit desperate, or nutty, or just think you are so much smarter than everyone else. The Yanks are desperate. In. Angels are desperate and nutty. In. Cubs are not really desperate, but Epstein thinks he’s smarter than everyone else. In. Dodgers are neither desperate or nutty. Red Sox definitely think they are the smartest guy in the room. but they made their bones on value decisions. Tanaka ain’t that. At least not yet.

  9. Ruby Wednesday December 30th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Dodgers prioritizing Tanaka over Kershaw ?

    Sox goin outside their new model of no long term, huge $$ FA signings ?

    Angels more likely, Cubs with Rickett’s $$, Giants as a dark horse imo

  10. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Why would one have to be “desperate or nutty” to invest in a young starting pitcher with the tools that Tanaka has? I don’t accept that premise at all. Buchholz, Lackey and Lester are all over thirty. Given Lester’s contract expiration date, their abundance of starting pitching and the league’s thirst for starters they are in a good position to make a deal, get younger, improve their staff and stick it to the Yankees.

    I’m not saying it will happen but to count the Red Sox out is foolish.

  11. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Thanks for that link last night. Cool stuff, I love that era of history.

  12. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Also, six-years for a 25 year old pitcher is not a long-term huge FA signing along the lines of others.

  13. Ruby Wednesday December 30th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Also, six-years for a 25 year old pitcher is not a long-term huge FA signing along the lines of others.

    ———

    6 years and most likely in excess of $ 100 million is a big investment as opposed to re-signing a proven ML talent like Kershaw

  14. bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    Why would one have to be “desperate or nutty” to invest in a young starting pitcher with the tools that Tanaka has? I don’t accept that premise at all. Buchholz, Lackey and Lester are all over thirty. Given Lester’s contract expiration date, their abundance of starting pitching and the league’s thirst for starters they are in a good position to make a deal, get younger, improve their staff and stick it to the Yankees.

    I’m not saying it will happen but to count the Red Sox out is foolish.

    ________

    I agree that Tanaka is potentially a huge asset for any organization. There’s really only been two like him up to this point: Darvish and Mats. Only one of those guys worked out. So you could look at this as a 50/50 proposition. And Tanaka will cost more. Anyway you slice it, it’s a big financial risk. Very few teams can afford a mistake like this and still operate business as usual. Maybe only one team, the Yanks. That’s where desperate and nutty come in.

  15. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Yankees need to know just how many teams they are bidding against. A $15 Mill per to open the negotiations is more than fair and certainly Not “insulting”. My guess remains Yanks vs Boston at the conclusion of this movie. Boston is pissed the Yanks overpaid to get Ellsbury, and at the very least will make sure the Yanks pay through the nose for Tanaka.

  16. joeman December 30th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    at 25 years old and stays healthy and as good as they say he is this kid is in a position to earn a lot of money even after his first contract is up

  17. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Whatever the guy “has” or “has done”, the fact remains he has NOT done Anything at the MLB Level. Till then, it’s a calculated crap-shoot.

  18. Your Worst Nightmare December 30th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    SIGN TANAKA NOW ! !

    8 @ $ 175 ($21.875 per)

    SIGN TANAKA NOW ! !

    STOP SCREWING AROUND !

    TIME IS AWASTIN ! ! !

  19. Kelvin December 30th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Per MLB trade rumors, very interesting. Good, too.

    “The Yankees plan to spend $12MM-$15MM on next year’s international amateur free agent market, incurring $10MM-$12MM in penalties, Kiley McDaniel of Scout.com reports. That $12MM-$15MM figure would not include potential spending for Masahiro Tanaka, who is not subject to international bonus pools that govern spending for most Latin American amateurs.”

  20. Patrick December 30th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Yankees should do whatever it takes to sign Tanaka.

  21. Your Worst Nightmare December 30th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    …………. at the very least will make sure the Yanks pay through the nose for Tanaka.

    =========

    So pay through the nose ! !

  22. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    “The Yankees plan to spend $12MM-$15MM on next year’s international amateur free agent market, incurring $10MM-$12MM in penalties, Kiley McDaniel of Scout.com reports. That $12MM-$15MM figure would not include potential spending for Masahiro Tanaka, who is not subject to international bonus pools that govern spending for most Latin American amateurs.”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....nding.html

  23. bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
    bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Thanks for that link last night. Cool stuff, I love that era of history.

    _____

    Me too. You must have liked Band of Brothers. Those who fought in WWII are unfortunately slipping away. My dad passed 12 years ago. Getting their direct unedited perspective is invaluable to understanding history. Not much time left.

  24. joeman December 30th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    Whatever the guy “has” or “has done”, the fact remains he has NOT done Anything at the MLB Level. Till then, it’s a calculated crap-shoot.
    ————————————————————
    I’m sure he has been scouted many times by many teams and the feeling is that he can pitch well in MLB otherwise why all the fuss

  25. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Kelvin,
    Sorry about that.

  26. joeman December 30th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    can Tanaka be called a prospect at this point

  27. Your Worst Nightmare December 30th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Till then, it’s a calculated crap-shoot.

    ==========

    So ? Walking across the street, downtown at 6pm against a ‘RED LITE’ is a crap shoot

  28. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Ruby Wednesday December 30th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    “6 years and most likely in excess of $ 100 million is a big investment as opposed to re-signing a proven ML talent like Kershaw”

    Do some reading on the Dodgers new ownership and their financial capabilities and commitment to the team. Los Angeles given their reach throughout Southern California’s densely populated cities and suburbs is in many respects a bigger marketplace than New York with a large and very affluent Asian population. They didn’t sign Hanley Ramirez, Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett, Carl Crawford and other big-salary players, extend Andre Ethier and Matt Kemp and outbid everyone for Yasiel Puig and Alexander Guerrero because they weren’t all-in. They can sign Kershaw and Tanaka if they want to; they have almost unlimited financial resources.

  29. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    The track record of Yankee Scouts speaks for itself.

  30. Patrick December 30th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    can Tanaka be called a prospect at this point

    Nope

  31. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    I’m all for signing Tanaka. If it was My $$$ I would probably feel differently. The Yankee scouting and development is horrible, leaving No other Immediate option.

  32. Kelvin December 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    It’s alright Tom.

    It’s fascinating, very interesting. I believe the idea is to go over 189 this year but with more emphasis on the farm for the years ahead. Hal is doing things right.

  33. joeman December 30th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    for two months been saying 189 was just a number

  34. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    To me, if the Yanks had flat-out decided to bust the $189 mark, they would have signed Choo instead of Beltran. Beltran and the $15 Mill per fit the $189 bullseye, and Choo did Not.

  35. pkyankfan69 December 30th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    I’m rewatching Eastbound and Down Season 1.

    Joba is the real life Kenny Powers.

  36. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Track record of Yankee scouts Donnybrook? Really? You mean as in that guy Mariano and Cano, Jeter, Pettitte, Posada, Soriano, Kennedy, Jackson, Williams, Gardner, Nova and Robertson, etc?

  37. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Well most those guys go back to “Stick”, and that was a Long time ago.

  38. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    You made a blanket statement Donnybrook without qualifying it. You did not mention that the Yankees have not had many high draft picks; commensurate with their consistently winning ways compared to many teams. And, that drafting and developing players is often a crap shoot; for everyone. The Yankees have made some poor picks and failed to develop some good players but to blame the scouts isn’t fair.

  39. Your Worst Nightmare December 30th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    To me, if the Yanks had flat-out decided to bust the $189 mark, they would have signed Choo instead of Beltran. Beltran and the $15 Mill per fit the $189 bullseye, and Choo did Not.

    ==========

    CHIN MUSIC (TDN) = DONNYBROOK

    FYI …… Choo turned down the Yankees offer then Cashman moved quickly to sign Beltran

  40. Kelvin December 30th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Donny, don’t think it’s the scouts. Development is not their department, they scout, seek the best talent available that can stick. But spending more Internationally definitely helps reinvigorate the farm.

  41. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    So if the Yankee offer gets turned down by a player they want, they Immediately look elsewhere? NOPE

  42. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Well, we have Hughes, Chamberlain, Montero, and the conga line of Busher talent we watched paraded through Yankee Stadium last season. Plus, it seems the other MLB teams are Not interested in our Bushers. All of that speaks to scouting and development.

  43. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Me too. You must have liked Band of Brothers. Those who fought in WWII are unfortunately slipping away. My dad passed 12 years ago. Getting their direct unedited perspective is invaluable to understanding history. Not much time left.

    ============

    ‘Band of Brothers’, ‘The Pacific’, ‘The Old Breed’. Also loved and have watched the mini series ‘The Winds of War’ and ‘War and Remembrance’ several times including now as this is a dead time of year for me :)

    I volunteer at a December 7th reunion every year for Pearl Harbor vets and their families where we serve a 4 course breakfast every year to honor them. Love doing it and as you say they are slipping away, smaller numbers every year. They always have great stories, different every year.

    Sorry to hear about your Dad bro …..

  44. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Do you think that other teams have not had their “Hughes, Chamberlains and Monteros?” And their careers are not over are they?

  45. Patrick December 30th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    So if the Yankee offer gets turned down by a player they want, they Immediately look elsewhere? NOPE

    What?

    They made the best offer they were willing to make, the player turned it down so they moved on to option 2.

  46. Your Worst Nightmare December 30th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    So if the Yankee offer gets turned down by a player they want, they Immediately look elsewhere? NOPE

    ========

    Excuse me ‘CHIN’ but that’s EXACTLY what they did when Choo spurned them and they signed Beltran

  47. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    To be honest, I could care less about other teams. With the net value of the Yankees estimated at Over $3 Billion, there is plenty of $$$ to staff this area with the necessary people to achieve Far better results. Even back in George’s free wheeling-free agent days, the Yankees had the necessary pieces down on the Farm to trade for players like Rickey Henderson. Those types of pieces are Not currently in the Yankee minor league system.

  48. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Yes, went to Beltran with the $189 in the cross-hairs. You’re proving my point. They had a limit.

  49. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    I explained why. We have not had many high draft picks and we have done very well with what we had to work with. There are excellent people in this organization. And we have used homegrown talent to make deals.You really have not made a good case at all.

  50. Your Worst Nightmare December 30th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Yes, went to Beltran with the $189 in the cross-hairs. You’re proving my point. They had a limit.

    ======

    Negative. They offered Choo what they thought he was worth to the NYY, he said no. NEXT They then signed Beltran.

    They have exceeded their limit now. Tanaka ? Big bucks. Already over the $ 189 in order to get a quality product back on the field and put butts back in those seats.

  51. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    In 2010 the Yankees had the highest percentage (56%) of homegrown players on their 25-man roster in the American League.

  52. Ruby Wednesday December 30th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    I miss Betsy ………… :(

  53. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Donnybrook you seem to have forgotten our trading homegrown talent to acquire other players. Clearly, these players had value, whether the deals turned out stellar or not.

    Javier Vazquez trade – Dec. 2003: Yankees traded Nick Johnson, Juan Rivera, and Randy Choate to Montreal Expos.

    Alex Rodriguez trade – Feb. 2004: Yankees traded Alfonso Soriano and player to be named later (Joaquin Arias) to Texas Rangers.

    Jonathan Albaladejo trade – Dec. 2007: Yankees traded Tyler Clippard to Washington Nationals.

    Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte trade – July 2008: Yankees traded Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf, Daniel McCutchen, and Jeff Karstans to Pittsburgh Pirates.

    Javier Vazquez trade again (includes Boone Logan) – Dec. 2009: Yankees traded Melky Cabrera, Arodys Vizcaino, and Michael Dunn to Atlanta Braves.

    Curtis Granderson trade – Dec. 2009: Yankees traded Ian Kennedy to Arizona Diamondbacks, Austin Jackson and Phil Coke to Detroit Tigers.

  54. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    We just disagree. There seems to be a lot of debate about Exactly where the Yanks are in regard to the $189 Mill. I will Not categorically say they are over or under, but their actions, (excluding Tanaka) tell me they still are shooting for the $189. As I said previously, my guess is they would willingly go over the $189 to get Tanaka, due to the International advantages $$$$. Simply a money decision.

  55. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Going back a Minimum of 4yrs to sight Yankee bushers being dealt for Major league talent, is an indictment on the Yankee minor league system. Thank you.

  56. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Austin Jackson, Alfonso Soriano, Phil Coke and Ian Kennedy are “bushers?” Uh . . . ok. :)

  57. Your Worst Nightmare December 30th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Austin Jackson, Alfonso Soriano and Ian Kennedy …………

    Coke ? meh ……

    ‘Bushers’ ? ? ?

    Too funny ……….

  58. AAA December 30th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Anyone else confounded by Donnybrook’s use of capital letters?

  59. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Very little comment on MLBTR’s report that the Yanks intend to spend 12-15 million on the international FA market next year, with an additional 10-12 million in MLB taxes. That’s a sign, at least to me, that they intend a major infusion into the milb system, to correct the current “woes” there. Cheap old Hal again, huh?

  60. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    AAA,
    Incorrigible.

  61. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Anybody have any idea who in the Latin America who’s worth that kind of money?

  62. AAA December 30th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Very little comment on MLBTR’s report that the Yanks intend to spend 12-15 million on the international FA market next year, with an additional 10-12 million in MLB taxes. That’s a sign, at least to me, that they intend a major infusion into the milb system, to correct the current “woes” there. Cheap old Hal again, huh?

    =======================================

    Can certainly understand going forward with such a plan, but we’re talking about locking up 15-16 year old kids. There’s so much projection involved. As big a crapshoot as the Rule 4 draft is, international signings is an even bigger one. I applaud the move, but also have to acknowledge that it doesn’t come without risk.

  63. pat December 30th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    “(1) The “swing vote” Arbitrator that previously crossed MLB is currently unemployed. ”

    That’s not true. He’s no longer working with MLB but is still working full time as an arbitrator.

  64. mick December 30th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    austinmac December 30th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Mick,

    I don’t know if Hal is smart or stupid. It does not take brains to inherit. Nor does it take brains to screw up the last two years.
    =========================================
    He looks like he has learned some lessons no doubt, with McCann Ellsbury and Beltran in the fold.
    No one here gives him any credit.

  65. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    So does that mean the Yankees are just going to sign all of them top 10?

  66. mick December 30th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Anybody have any idea who in the Latin America who’s worth that kind of money?
    =============
    Anybody heard from Luis other than the usual suspects?

  67. Kelvin December 30th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    I give him credit, There’s a reason he is the managing partner (figurehead). Many say he doesn’t have passion, but I believe he does. He is just a more conservative dude. If he was contempt with just owning them, he wouldn’t waste the cash he does.

    Sometimes you just gotta trust your baseball people.

  68. mick December 30th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Seattle trying to be the new old Yankees.
    Don’t anyone tell them there might be growing pains..

  69. austinmac December 30th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    The Yankees apparent willingness to spend next year on international players may be in response to losing draft picks next year.

    The ownership should get credit. As I have said before, it now feels like they are trying. What happens with AROD will impact things without a doubt. I don’t quite know how, but it is a huge amount of money if he plays a good portion of the season. Yet, it blows the cap so we could finally be assured that restraint is out.

  70. austinmac December 30th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Mick,

    I believe Luis is here for work. He may be putting money before us. Go figure.

  71. Your Worst Nightmare December 30th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Tom:

    About time they stepped up and made a better effort in the IFA Market huh ?

    Way to go Hal !

  72. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Your Worst Nightmare,
    Any new Cubans break out lately?

  73. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    I’ve liked Cuban ballplayers since Minnie Minoso!

  74. Your Worst Nightmare December 30th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Mick:

    Seattle trying to step up, just my thought, JackZ is a boob and he will never be able to put all the pieces together in Seattle at one time. That NYT article that was posted a week or 2 ago was quite revealing into the inner workings of the M’s

  75. Your Worst Nightmare December 30th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Tom:

    I heard they are trying to steal a boat for their trip over

  76. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    YWH,
    Let the Yankees charter a cruise ship for them.

  77. austinmac December 30th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Tom,

    There is a Cuban SS who has defected and is supposed to be great defensively. There is a question about his bat. He is a 23 year old who should be available soon. That’s the extent of my knowledge.

  78. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Tom:

    With all the bells, whistles and goodies to entice them :)

  79. Your Worst Nightmare December 30th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    With all the bells, whistles and goodies to entice them

    ———-

    +1

  80. exiledintampa December 30th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    81 games for A-Rod. Halfa season.

  81. blake December 30th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    @bkabak: These emails between A-Rod and Randy Levine are apparently real and very, very strange. http://t.co/prO2luRCXF

    Weird

  82. mick December 30th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Obama shook Castro’s brothers hand.
    Does that mean we get an exclusive contract on all new Cubans?

  83. blake December 30th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    So Levine jokes to Arod that Cano needs some roids ! Lol

  84. mick December 30th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    blake
    you sure thats not the work of G. Love?

  85. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Anyone know if Cashman headed to Japan ?

    Face to face meeting ?

    Checkbook in back pocket ?

  86. mick December 30th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Mac

    Luis (Tiant?) is obviously in hiding from suspect LoHud enemies.
    I, for one, would love to meet him…

  87. austinmac December 30th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Blake,

    One might look at oneself if his emails are stranger than AROD’s. It was odd.

    Mr. Corn,

    MLB radio was discussing the DBacks trying to schedule a meeting in Japan, and Bowden said it may be necessary. I just read Close is out of pocket on family vacation until Monday. It will move slowly. We should be aggressive and go there first.

  88. mick December 30th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Ralph

    Why were you on the mound in the 9th inning of game 7 1960 WS?
    You shouldn’t have listened to the Perfesser…
    You were not the best pitcher, Whitey was, and he should have started and finished that game.

  89. bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
    bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Me too. You must have liked Band of Brothers. Those who fought in WWII are unfortunately slipping away. My dad passed 12 years ago. Getting their direct unedited perspective is invaluable to understanding history. Not much time left.

    ============

    ‘Band of Brothers’, ‘The Pacific’, ‘The Old Breed’. Also loved and have watched the mini series ‘The Winds of War’ and ‘War and Remembrance’ several times including now as this is a dead time of year for me :)

    I volunteer at a December 7th reunion every year for Pearl Harbor vets and their families where we serve a 4 course breakfast every year to honor them. Love doing it and as you say they are slipping away, smaller numbers every year. They always have great stories, different every year.

    Sorry to hear about your Dad bro …..

    ________

    Appreciate it. My dad was a marine in the south pacific. He never once talked to me about what he saw. Just some stories I’ve heard from relatives. There is no way to pay back that debt but it’s awesome that you are trying.

  90. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Blake:

    Great link thanks. Unreal some of that crap :)

  91. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Mac:

    Thanks for that info

  92. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    bigdan22

    Just gives me a good feeling to give back something whenever possible. I love doing it

  93. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    New Thread :arrow:

    ‘Looking back: The randomness of spring training’

  94. pete2 December 30th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    I think Jeters is the key to the offense and defense. Its his injury and ability to bounce back at age 40 that worries me most. He plays the most important defensive position and is scheduled to bat 2nd and take a good chunk of AB
    at DH, AB that could be given to Soriano, Beltran or McCann. Tex wrist injury is a concern, but it bothers him mostly from the LF side and YS3 should be a bit forgiving there. Tex at least will be able to field his position even if the wrist hampers him.

    The more I read about Tanaka the more nervous I get. He pitches in a park that suppresses HR in a big way. However, there are no home-away splits to know how big a deal it is (and it may be no big deal).

    http://nomprojections.com/park-factors/

    He has also pitched in a league that suppressed HR in a big way the past 3 years and reduced ERA’s but as much as 1 and HR’s as much as 40%. This reversed itself some last year and he was still very good. And there is his declining K rate, FB velocity, workload concerns, etc.

    Yet they need the Tanaka that is projected to be very good for 2014. So I would offer him a 10 year deal at 170 million, front loaded so he gets 120 million through
    5 years. While this deal tops what anyone else will offer in guaranteed dollars it is likely to be at a lower AAV than others will offer (which could be as high as 20 million). Its all about the AAV with the LT calculations. I believe it was Levine who said the primary objection to 10 yr deals was the age of the player. Tanaka would be 34 in the 10th year. While Tanaka may not be a great SP’er at the end, he could be a very good RP’er like Koji Ueherara.

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