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Looking back: Mariano Rivera’s retirement tour

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 30, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Mariano Rivera, Ron Gardenhire, Justin Morneau

This is cheating a little bit, if only because this post ran earlier in the offseason. But I think it’s worth repeating today. Mariano Rivera’s retirement tour was the Yankees most pleasant ongoing storyline of the year. It was often overshadowed by injuries and the whole Alex Rodriguez saga, but seeing Rivera honored in each stadium along the way was a remarkable tribute to his career and impact. He was honored with a lavish Yankee Stadium ceremony, fan tributes came from all corners, and his final moment on the mound was the most memorable moment of the season. 

Mariano Rivera, Jim LeylandDetroit Tigers
April 7
Mound dirt from both Comerica Park and Tiger Stadium, presented alongside pictures of Rivera pitching in each stadium.

Colorado Rockies
May 8
Donation to Rivera’s foundation, presented in Rivera’s first-ever trip to Coors Field.

Kansas City Royals
May 12
Donation to Rivera’s foundation, presented by Royals Hall of Famer George Brett.

Mariano RiveraCleveland Indians
May 13
Gold record of Metallica’s “Enter Sandman” — Rivera’s entrance music — from Cleveland’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

New York Mets
May 28
New York Fire Department call box and mounted hose nozzle in a ceremony that included New York City Fire Commissioner Salvatore Cassano. Rivera also threw the ceremonial first pitch to former Mets closer John Franco.

Seattle Mariners
June 6
Donation to Rivera’s foundation, presented by former Mariner’s standout Edgar Martinez, a career .625 hitter against Rivera.

Mariano Rivera, Bob Melvin, Michael CrowleyOakland Athletics
June 13
Custom surfboard, engraved bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon Blanc from Napa Valley and a check for $10,042 to Rivera’s foundation.

Los Angeles Angels
June 15
Six-foot painting of Rivera by noted artist Stephen Holland. The next day, fans were given certificates commemorating Rivera’s Major League debut and first big league save, each of which came against the Angels.

Minnesota Twins
July 2
The Chair of Broken Dreams, a rocking chair made from broken bats of Twins players including Joe Mauer and Kirby Puckett. The Twins also donated to Rivera’s foundation.

John Wetteland, Joe Nathan, Mariano RiveraTexas Rangers
July 25
Black cowboy hat and custom cowboy boots with Rivera’s No. 42, presented by Rangers closer Joe Nathan and former Yankees and Rangers closer John Wetteland, whom Rivera called a mentor.

Los Angeles Dodgers
July 31
Deep-sea fishing rod – Rivera’s father was a fisherman – and a donation to Rivera’s foundation, presented by a group including Dodgers partial owner Magic Johnson.

San Diego Padres
August 2
Set of beach cruiser bicycles for Rivera and his family presented by former Padres closer Trevor Hoffman, who had the all-time saves record before Rivera passed him.

Mariano RiveraChicago White Sox
August 6
Framed scorecard from Rivera’s first appearance against the White Sox – eight scoreless innings on July 4, 1995 – and a collage of pictures from the Yankees’ 2001 trip to Chicago, their first games after the September 11 attacks.

Tampa Bay Rays
August 23
Sand sculpture of Rivera alongside the words “Enter Sandman.” The Rays also donated $3,150 to Rivera’s foundation, $50 for each of Rivera’s career saves against the Rays.

Baltimore Orioles
September 12
Bronze sculpture of a bat being broken by a pitch, along with a plaque noting that Rivera’s “numerous baseball records are surpassed only by his humility, respect and philanthropy.” It was presented by Baltimore manager Buck Showalter, who was Rivera’s first big league manager.

David Ortiz, Mariano RiveraBoston Red Sox
September 15
Painting of Rivera at Fenway Park, a No. 42 from the stadium’s manual scoreboard, a Fenway seat with the No. 42, and the pitching rubber from the stadium’s visiting bullpen. Red Sox ownership also donated to Rivera’s foundation.

Toronto Blue Jays
September 19
A sculpture called Kiviuq’s Journey by noted Canadian artist David Ruben Piqtoukun, which depicts a fisherman hauling in an enormous fish. The Blue Jays also made a $10,000 donation to Rivera’s foundation.

San Francisco Giants
September 23
Watercolor painting from a San Francisco artist and a custom guitar that’s the same model used by Metallica lead guitarist Kirk Hammett, who’s a San Francisco native. Gifts were presented during the Yankee Stadium pregame ceremony. Metallica also presented Rivera a custom touring guitar speaker cabinet.

Joe Girardi, Derek Jeter, Mariano RiveraNew York Yankees
September 23
Crystal replica of Rivera’s glove, framed replica of Rivera’s number and retired-number placard, baseball-bat rocking chair and a donation of $100,000 to the Mariano Rivera Foundation, all presented during a length and lavish pregame ceremony at Yankee Stadium attended by Rivera’s family, the Steinbrenner family, members of Jackie Robinson’s family and various former teammates including Jorge Posada, Paul O’Neill and Hideki Matsui.

Houston Astros
September 29
Painting by a Texas artist who depicted memorable moments throughout Rivera’s career on a canvas that includes a raised No. 42. It was presented by a group that included both Joe Torre and Roger Clemens.

Associated Press photos

 
 

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122 Responses to “Looking back: Mariano Rivera’s retirement tour”

  1. chicken_stanley December 30th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    Great post, Chad (even if it is cheating :) )

    We’re unlikely to ever see anyone that approaches the greatness of Mo in our lifetime…

    http://m.youtube.com/results?q.....&sm=1

  2. chicken_stanley December 30th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Link unfortunately gives a list of videos… I was referring to the first one

  3. hardwired7 December 30th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    My favorite Mo memory will always be him collapsed on the mound after the Game 7 ALCS in 2003.

    That was a man who had just given absolutely everything he had.

  4. charlestonchew December 30th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Chad really knows how to run a blog.

  5. Tar December 30th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    All those gifts and accolades were great and we’ll deserved.

    But I’m thinking us Yankee fans gave him the best gifts ever. ……19 years of cheers, respect and adoration. He’ll have our gifts for the rest of his days.

  6. chicken_stanley December 30th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    19 years of cheers, respect and adoration. He’ll have our gifts for the rest of his days.

    ——-

    Truly loved and respected by fans but it goes both ways… I’ll also have the memories he provided for the rest of my days

  7. blake December 30th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    I thought the Twins gift was the coolest. I will really miss Mo…..hopefully he will still be around the team from time to time

  8. Tar December 30th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Unfortunately the above apostrophe wasn’t deserved…can I blame it on spell check?

    Nah…. just another example of my horrendous, grammatical, shortcomings.

    I will take this moment to apologize in advance (which should cover the upcoming year) for all my spelling and grammatical mistakes.

  9. Tar December 30th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Chicken no doubt….it definitely goes both ways.

    Has Levine been fired yet???? What ever happened with the player tampering charge against him?

  10. bbb51 December 30th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    That whole Levine-Arod thing is pretty weird…

  11. Tar December 30th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    “That whole Levine-Arod thing is pretty weird…”

    Very weird. The latest report is that in his office, Levine has a portrait of himself as a Centaur.

  12. Tar December 30th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Ok I made that up, but it made me laugh.

  13. austinmac December 30th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Tar,

    Spell check can always be blamed. Of course, I could occasionally proofread. Nah.

    Levine may have Alex’ centaur painting.

  14. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Apologies if this was posted earlier. (From Wallace Matthews)

    “According to the best kind of source — the kind “with knowledge” — there has been no meaningful contact between the Yankees and Casey Close, Tanaka’s agent, and there probably won’t be until next week. That is because Close is said to be on vacation with his family and will not be open for business again until Monday.”

  15. chicken_stanley December 30th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    My problem isn’t spellcheck… its autocorrect. Theoretically, autocorrect is a great idea… unfortunately, in my case, the spelling has to be in the general vicinity for autocorrect to suggest a valid word. For that reason, reading my posts is often an adventure! :)

  16. Can of Corn December 30th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    Close should be fired ! !

    He’s Tanaka’s agent for crying out loud

    Did he turn his phone off too ?

    ‘Mr. Boraas’ would never do something like this

  17. Tar December 30th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    “Close should be fired ! !”

    It’s ok calm down….Close and Levine have been exchanging emails……oh wait.

  18. Tar December 30th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    “there has been no “”meaningful”" contact between the Yankees and Casey Close, Tanaka’s agent.”

    See I told you Levine was already involved.

    It appears I am going to be having a lot of fun at Mr. Levine’s expense. I hope he does’t read Lohud.

    Good night all.

  19. chicken_stanley December 30th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    It appears I am going to be having a lot of fun at Mr. Levine’s expense. I hope he does’t read Lohud.

    ———-

    I doubt you have to worry – I don’t think he concerns himself with the opinions of the “clueless, inbred, unwashed masses” that make up lohudville :)

    ‘night Tar

  20. UnKnown December 30th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    Levine and the FO :lol: Too much, HA!!!!!

    And people still think the Front Office knows so much and anything they do just MUST be the right thing. Well, people are also idiots I guess. :grin:

  21. Can of Corn December 31st, 2013 at 1:03 am

    “there has been no “”meaningful”” contact between the Yankees and Casey Close, Tanaka’s agent.”

    ========

    LOL ! !

    Who really cares if Levine reads this blog

    If so he might realize what a nitwit he is

    No wait ……………

  22. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 7:15 am

    Don’t know if this has been talked about or is widespread information, but at the end of one of the DVRd “Top 40″ segments, I heard an MLB commentator say that the Yanks are rumored to be very interested in Ubaldo Jiminez, “in addition to Tanaka”.

    If it’s true, I think it could be a fantastic addition. I know Jiminez has had his ups and downs since being injured in Colorado, but it looks like he’s found his stuff again – and his stuff is sick when he’s on.

    Yanks could end up with a potentially electrifying rotation!!!

  23. Chip December 31st, 2013 at 7:16 am

    Good morning from ice cold Vermont.

    Been listening to a lot of satellite radio up here and everyone seems to believe that Tanaka will be a Yankee, only question is what the contract looks like.

    Something I hadn’t heard before: even if they get Tanaka, the Yanks are also expected to make a hard push for Ubaldo. I’m not a huge fan of Jiménez but when you consider the struggles of CC, age of Kuroda and roller coaster that is Nova, coupled with the teams inability to develop pitchers, it sort of makes sense. Of course that would mean no chance for Pineda or Banuelos to make the rotation unless Nova was traded… say to Arizona for Gregorious or Owings or to Seattle for Ackley, or to Oakland for Donaldson, or Pittsburgh for Walker.

  24. Chip December 31st, 2013 at 7:18 am

    Didn’t read Trisha before posting… so this Ubaldo thing has some legs…

  25. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 7:22 am

    I thought DJ’s shovel pass was going to be the number 1 moment in the DLS series, but instead it came in at #5. #1 did involve the Yankees, but not in a happy sense. 1995. Junior Griffey. :(

    I haven’t watched the ALCS Top 40 yet, but I cannot imagine anything that could out-highlight Aaron Bleepin’ Boone, 2003!!!!! (If it were ESPN and not MLB, it would be a guarantee that ABB would NOT be the number 1 highlight!)

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 7:32 am

    Chip – interesting point. How far away from TJ is Pineda?

    If you start with CC, Hiroki, Tanaka, Jiminez and Nova, they’re going to need someone to be long man out of the pen. You have to figure that Pineda figures into their plans somehow. I think it all depends on where he is in the healing process. Hiroki is signed for one year. So next year Pineda could take a full-time place if he isn’t ready to do so right now.

    I like that we’re sitting with possibilities here as opposed to scratching our heads about who we might find out there.

    I hope Hughes does well in Minny. I am so relieved that he is no longer part of the Yankees. The dude ended up being far too scary.

  27. blake December 31st, 2013 at 7:37 am

    No way Id touch Ubaldo.

    His velocity decreased for the 5 straight season last last and he walk 4 guys per 9……his delivery is so complicated that IMO he’s just as likely to be awful again in 2014 again as he is effective. It would just be a terrible idea to think he’s gonna repeat 2013……they need to get Tanaka and then focus on getting a closer and a left side infielder…..not wasting money on an extremely risky pitcher

  28. blake December 31st, 2013 at 7:41 am

    Ubaldo does give you 30 starts a year but his delivery just scares me too much…..unless he’s pretty cheap I wouldn’t go there

  29. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 7:43 am

    Good morning. This might be why the Yankees need more than Tanaka to compete in 2014.

    “For these Yankees, who were 5.5 games out of the playoffs in a season in which they were arguably lucky to the tune of six extra wins, Tanaka by himself is not likely to be a magic elixir that puts them in the playoffs. In fact it is difficult to see a scenario in which these Yankees make the playoffs without an absurdly healthy season and signing two of the top four free-agent pitchers (Tanaka, Garza, Santana, and Jimenez). In a vacuum, maybe that’s possible, but money’s flowing like the Colorado River at the peak of snow melt before the construction of the Glen Canyon Dam. There are other teams who need starting pitching, and there’s plenty of scratch to go around.”

    From SB Nation:

    http://www.mlbdailydish.com/20.....4-playoffs

    Do you agree with the article?

  30. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 7:44 am

    I don’t see Ubaldo either. He now throws 91 instead of his former 96. He pitched once against the Sox last year. Twelve hits and seven runs in under two innings. He doesn’t throw enough strikes. Good teams will wait him out.

  31. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 7:46 am

    Pineda had anterior labral repair to his pitching shoulder. Wish it was TJ surgery Trisha.

  32. blake December 31st, 2013 at 7:46 am

    Do you agree with the article?”

    Not really no….it doesn’t take into account the improvement to the offense and it’s also assuming that Sabathia pitches to a 5 era again. I think if they add Tanaka and Balfour then they are probbaly a playoff team if they have good health……now that’s an issue of course but on paper they’d be pretty good

  33. blake December 31st, 2013 at 7:47 am

    If Garzas medicals are ok Id much rather have him than ubaldo…..is rather have Santana too

  34. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 7:48 am

    austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 7:44 am
    I don’t see Ubaldo either. He now throws 91 instead of his former 96. He pitched once against the Sox last year. Twelve hits and seven runs in under two innings. He doesn’t throw enough strikes. Good teams will wait him out.
    ———

    That game was on April 16th, his third start of the season. Before he turned things around.

    June 3.09 ERA
    July 2.83 ERA
    August 3.10 ERA
    Sep/Oct 1.09 ERA

    I cannot fathom how someone turns their nose up at that. That’s worth a shot. Jimenez next season could be better than Tanaka ever is. I’m not saying I’d have him over Tanaka, but the guy has elite upside.

  35. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 7:50 am

    From the article:

    So the 2013 New York Yankees were probably a lucky 85-win team. Their true-talent level looks to be much more in line with that of roughly .500 team. They lost 13.7 fWAR in free agency and retirement. Given the projections at our disposal right now (Oliver and Steamer), the Yankees got back about 9.5 fWAR in the signings of Ellsbury, McCann, and Carlos Beltran. Between Ryan, Roberts, Johnson, Matt Thornton, you could maybe squint at get another two or three wins after adjusting for usage.

    Do the Yankees need Tanaka plus one of Garza, Santana, Jimenez, or will Tanaka, Balfour, Crain contribute enough?

  36. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 7:50 am

    YT,

    Read the article. I do think they underplay potential offensive improvement. Last year’s team could not score. It is correct that the pitching is mighty iffy, especially if CC doesn’t come back.

    I don’t see any likelihood they would spend more money on an expensive starter if they get Tanaka. The bigger question is whether they will fork over enough money to outbid the Cubs et al.

  37. blake December 31st, 2013 at 7:52 am

    “I cannot fathom how someone turns their nose up at that. That’s worth a shot. Jimenez next season could be better than Tanaka ever is. I’m not saying I’d have him over Tanaka, but the guy has elite upside.”

    Because he still walks a lot of guys and because his velocity has declined 5 years in a row and mostly because his delivery is all kinda of funky.

    He’s the type guy IMO that could show up out of whack in 2014 and literally be terrible all season…..he kept it together last year but there is no guarantee he would again.

    He does give you innings and yes it’s possible he’s found a way to repeat consistently …..but I wouldn’t gamble a lot of money on that.

    I think if they get Tanaka the rotation is ok….they need to sign Balfour more than Ubaldo I think

  38. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 7:53 am

    Kev,

    Yes, that game was early. I checked Ubaldo’s velocity and it didn’t increase as the year went on. It was still 91-92. I think the Sox would cause him to throw 100 pitches in four innings.

    I readily admit not to have seen him much last year. Maybe I’m missing something. He did throw his slider a lot more this year.

    He seems the most risky of the three other costly guys. Maybe, maybe the most upside.

  39. blake December 31st, 2013 at 7:54 am

    If Jeter and Tex can bounce back the 2014 lineup should be significantly better and more diverse than 2013

  40. blake December 31st, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Yes, that game was early. I checked Ubaldo’s velocity and it didn’t increase as the year went on. It was still 91-92. I think the Sox would cause him to throw 100 pitches in four innings.”

    Agreed….Boston would eat him alive I’m afraid.

  41. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 7:59 am

    it doesn’t take into account the improvement to the offense.
    ——–
    Blake-
    The article indicates a loss of 4.2fWAR

    They lost 13.7 fWAR in free agency and retirement. Given the projections at our disposal right now (Oliver and Steamer), the Yankees got back about 9.5 fWAR in the signings of Ellsbury, McCann, and Carlos Beltran. Between Ryan, Roberts, Johnson, Matt Thornton, you could maybe squint at get another two or three wins after adjusting for usage.

  42. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 8:04 am

    When Jimenez is right he’s way better than Garza can ever be.

    I’m not that concerned with his fastball if he can still get the results he did last year. Struck out way more guys than Garza. 9.56 K/9 VS 7.88 K/9, and that’s AL VS NL.

    With Garza, at most, you’re getting a mid 3 ERA guy, but more likely a high 3 ERA guy. Jimenez doesn’t project as well next year, but he has a way better chance to beat his projection than Garza.

    They’ll probably cost the same, the results will probably be about the same next year, but Jimenez could get you more for your dollar. I like the high risk, high reward for 2014.

  43. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Trader,
    They are getting Jeter and Tex back though…..I think just counting up WAR is fun but it doesn’t tell the whole story….for one McCann is worth more than his WAR says…..

    If they add Tanaka and Balfour Id say they are better than 2013 and probbaly a playoff team if they have decent health……id feel better if they added another infielder that could play SS and 3b

  44. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:07 am

    “When Jimenez is right he’s way better than Garza can ever be.”

    That was in 2010 though and he’s lost 5 mph on his fastball since then…..that ubaldo doesn’t exist anymore.

    With Garza you’re gettin a 3.5-3.8 era guy pretty much every year.

    With Ubaldo you might be gettin a 3.5 era or you might be getting a 5.5 era train wreck too…..that’s my concern

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 8:07 am

    “I cannot fathom how someone turns their nose up at that. That’s worth a shot. Jimenez next season could be better than Tanaka ever is. I’m not saying I’d have him over Tanaka, but the guy has elite upside.”

    Absolutely and unequivocally agree. He made VAST improvement since he came over to Cleveland, so I can’t see how his “loss of velocity” has hurt him. If indeed he has lost velocity, he has apparently found a way to deal with it. He had 13 wins last year, and his peripherals have also been improving. He’s only 29 years old.

    I would definitely take a flyer on someone like Jiminez. I think it would nutso not to. Nobody comes with a money-back guarantee, but his pitching ability looks to be going north rather than south.

  46. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 8:08 am

    While I don’t have any figures to back this up, if the Yankees added Tanaka and no one else from a dwindling list of FA arms to the bullpen, they would still be behind the Rays and Red Sox in terms of strength of the staff.

    Every one of the current pitchers from Sabathia/Kuroda , whichever one you consider is the ace, to their closer as of now, Robertson, comes with concerns.

  47. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Santana actually has the most upside of the non tanaka guys to me ….he was better than Garza and ubaldo both in 2013 and has been pretty good 3 of the last 4 years.

    But again if they got Tanaka Id probbaly just hold on the rest and see what Pineda and phelps and Banuelos do…..

  48. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Steamer likes Garza more than Jimenez next year.

    2014 Garza FIP: 3.53
    2014 Jimenez FIP: 3.64

    2014 Garza WAR: 3.1
    2014 Jimenez WAR: 2.9

    Jimenez’s inconsistency is probably baked into the cake with those projections, but I’d still take the risk given the two options. Wouldn’t really consider Santana given his higher HR/FB %.

  49. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:12 am

    “While I don’t have any figures to back this up, if the Yankees added Tanaka and no one else from a dwindling list of FA arms to the bullpen, they would still be behind the Rays and Red Sox in terms of strength of the staff.”

    I think that greatly depends on a couple of things……if CC bounces back then that’s a pretty good Yankee rotation. Will Lackey repeat his 2013? Will Lester? Will the rays trade price? If Tampa trades Price then suddenly their rotation looks a lot different.

    Sabathia, Kuroda, tanaka, Nova, Pineda has the potential to be a great staff…..there is some risk there but if things fell right it could be awesome

  50. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 8:12 am

    Kev

    Any ideas or links as to why and how Jiminez was one of the four best pitchers in the league, in terms of ERA the second half of the year, after a miserable 5 plus ERA in the beginning. It must be more than warmer weather?

  51. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 8:13 am

    That was in 2010 though and he’s lost 5 mph on his fastball since then…..that ubaldo doesn’t exist anymore.
    ——-

    Who was the guy with the 1.82 ERA in the second half last year, that struck out 100 over 84 IP? Whoever he is, I want that guy over consistently mid-to-upper 3 ERA Garza.

  52. Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 8:14 am

    We dodged a bullet with Jimenez yrs ago why attempt to go down that road again

  53. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 8:14 am

    I like what the Yankees are doing this year and I like the way they are thinking. So far they haven’t pulled in a stinker, thus their scouting ability and player assessment seems to be pretty sound.

    If they’re interested in Jiminez, I’d sit up and take note. Personally, I’d take Jiminez in a NYC heartbeat.

  54. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 8:12 am
    Kev

    Any ideas or links as to why and how Jiminez was one of the four best pitchers in the league, in terms of ERA the second half of the year, after a miserable 5 plus ERA in the beginning. It must be more than warmer weather?
    ——-

    It was mechanical. Jimenez and the Indians pitching coach broke down his mechanics or something, and got them back to where they were in his prime, I believe.

    I’ve got to run now, but I remember it was from this article: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/u.....15971.html

  55. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Ervin Santana and Kuroda had the exact same GB rate last year and Santana has had his GB % over 40 % for 3 straight years and his FB % under 40 for 3 straight years.

    He gave up a lot of homers in 2012…..but I think his fly all tendencies are a little overblown these days…..he’s using his CU a lot more effectively and he really has been better and keeping the ball out of the air the last 3 seasons

  56. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Banuelos is 22. Unless there is a change in philosophy, he won’t be coming North with the team to NY after ST, no matter how well he excels, which is too bad! It certainly would be nice to have two lefties in the starting rotation.

  57. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:17 am

    “Who was the guy with the 1.82 ERA in the second half last year, that struck out 100 over 84 IP? Whoever he is, I want that guy over consistently mid-to-upper 3 ERA Garza.”

    A guy that you can’t expect to show up again with a different setting and pitching coach.

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 8:17 am

    “We dodged a bullet with Jimenez yrs ago why attempt to go down that road again”

    Because he’s obviously mounted a comeback and so seems to have gotten past the injury bugaboo?

    Was Garza injured last year? Why was he 4-5 (meaning 9 total games of record)

  59. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:18 am

    I need to see Ubaldo do what he did in the 2nd half again and for a full season before I’ll believe it…..

  60. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 8:22 am

    None of the pitchers, Tanaka included, come without risk. I just heard a guy on MlB radio saying he doesn’t think the Yankees will go big for Tanaka. He still believes in 189.

  61. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Baseball’s not a game for the skittish or those who demand a sure bet before every season begins.

    I’m more than fine with Jiminez. I’m also more than fine with Garza. In fact, I’m more than fine with anyone the Yankees bring back north from ST.

    I’ll let you know what the number 1 ALCS moment is as soon as I watch the show.

    :)

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 8:24 am

    “I need to see Ubaldo do what he did in the 2nd half again and for a full season before I’ll believe it…..”

    Blessed are they who see and believe. More blessed are they…

    Baseball’s not a game for the skittish or those who demand a sure bet before every season begins.

  63. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Kev

    You’re probably gone , but thanks for the link. They talked about all his mechanical flaws and what they worked on. Kudos to the pitching coach. Makes me wonder if Hughes will excel in Minnesota with another pitching coach, or was Hughes inability to improve due to stubbornness, or worse yet, just what was between the ears!

  64. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:26 am

    “Blessed are they who see and believe. More blessed are they…”

    Lets not relate spiritual faith to ubaldo Jimenez ok……I’ve seen plenty with him to be cautious

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 8:26 am

    austin – if the Yankees don’t go big for Tanaka, I think it will have everything to do with what they think they will have without him and nothing to do with 189.

    If they think they really need him, I believe they will go hard. Nothing they’ve done thus far makes me think they are trying to hold fast to the 189.

    JMO

  66. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Trisha,

    The Yankees. Job, presuming they are adding a pitcher, is to assess risk and reward. Choosing between the three is not an easy call. They may decide all are too risky. It will be interesting to see how much we are in on Johan. They could go with Arroyo or him and hope.

    One thing is clear. I don’t have a lie what they will do. Frankly, I’m not altogether sure what they should do if they don’t get Tanaka.

  67. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Johan on a minor league deal would be great to me…..give him an opt out if he doesn’t make the rotation out of camp

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 8:31 am

    “Lets not relate spiritual faith to ubaldo Jimenez ok……I’ve seen plenty with him to be cautious”

    Baseball’s not a game for the skittish or for those who demand a sure bet before every season begins – even though the game seems to be replete with that kind of fan.

    I’ve seen enough improvement with him to feel great about what he has to offer.

    If you pull out your microscope and examine any particular game, I’m sure you can find flaws in everyone. If you look at the big picture, you almost have to strain to find fault with Jiminez. If his improvements over the last three years aren’t convincing enough for you, I don’t know what to tell you – other than – have a great day!

    :)

  69. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Trisha,

    It does look like 189 is gone. It has become my least favorite number. However, it ain’t over(189)til it’s over. :)

  70. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Sign Tanaka and Johan to a minor league deal…..he’d give you Pineda insurance and allow you to use phelps in the pen if need be.

    If Pineda looks great in ST then you can let Johan opt out or you can send Pineda to AAA to build his innings back up and have him there in reserve

  71. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Kuroda- faded the last 6 or more weeks. Will he need more rest?

    Pineda- if he is 100%, at what pitch count, or total innings, does he either come out of a game, or get shut down for the season?

    The BP currently is Claiborne, lefty Thornton, 8th inning Kelley and closer DROb.

    While many believe the bullpen can easily be filled from within, the Yankees need to hope with this current pen that the starters can give them close to 7 quality innings.

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 8:34 am

    “It will be interesting to see how much we are in on Johan”

    I thought I heard last night that he had already been signed to a minor league deal, and I don’t think it was with the Yankees. Maybe I misheard.

  73. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:37 am

    ” If you look at the big picture, you almost have to strain to find fault with Jiminez. If his improvements over the last three years ”

    The last 3 years?

    2011 era: 5.10
    2012 era: 5.40
    2013 first half era: 4.56
    2013: 2nd half era: 1.82

    One of these doesn’t belong…..

  74. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Johan may be closing in on a deal, but no team was listed in the article. I have seen comments the Yankees are or may be interested.

  75. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:38 am

    If you give Ubaldo a big deal then you’re basically saying you believe the 2nd half of 2013 more than the last 3 years ….I don’t

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 8:39 am

    “Lets not relate spiritual faith to ubaldo Jimenez ok”

    And I wasn’t relating spiritual faith to Ubaldo Jiminez ok. I was attempting to be witty with your “I need to see it to believe it” line by pulling it into a more famous quote along the same lines…

  77. Baby Ruth December 31st, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Interesting ……

    So in a hypothetical situation ………..

    Yanks sign Tanaka, Balfour and Baker

    Then dip into the FA class for a retread like Ubaldo, Garza or Santana ?

    Now it’s completely ‘money is no object’ ?, with Phelps, Pineda, Banuelos, Nuno and every other decent in house alternative getting shoved back down to AAA again ?

    Can’t say that this would be a realistic plan

  78. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 8:39 am

    A loss of 5 MPH avg on Ubaldo Jimenez’ fastball must be an exaggeration.

    Let’s have an honest conversation, please.

  79. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 8:39 am

    “One of these things doesn’t belong”

    Blake, watch a lot of Sesame Street? :)

  80. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Blake

    Rumors have Johann Santana close to choosing a team on a minor league contract. Would be worth signing him for insurance and his knowledge as the owner of an A plus change up.

    Would like the Yankees to bring in Eric O’Flaherty, a lefty who will be one year removes from TJ in May.

    Grady Sizemore also on a minor league deal.

  81. Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Because he’s obviously mounted a comeback and so seems to have gotten past the injury bugaboo?

    ——–

    The comeback is based on a second half where he pitched out of his mind.

  82. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Bret,

    His fastball averaged 96.1 in 2010 and 91.7 in 2013. 4.4 MPH drop. Pretty significant, I would say.

  83. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Bret The Hitman says:
    December 31, 2013 at 8:39 am
    A loss of 5 MPH avg on Ubaldo Jimenez’ fastball must be an exaggeration.

    It’s not.

    2010: 96.1
    2013: 91.7

    Ok it’s 4.4 if you want to get technical but given it’s decreased every season since 2011 it’s likely it’ll be 5 next year

  84. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Rumors have Johann Santana close to choosing a team on a minor league contract. Would be worth signing him for insurance and his knowledge as the owner of an A plus change up.”

    On a minor league deal Id love

  85. 86w183 December 31st, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Good morning all —–

    I’m in agreement with Blake (aka: “Doubting Thomas”) regarding Jimenez. Too much of a roller coaster ride historically. IF the Yanks go the veteran FA route for rotation strength I strongly prefer Garza who offers up more consistency and a solid track record in the AL East.

    No doubt in my mind they will make a strong push for Tanaka, but that doesn’t mean being the highest bidder. If they offer six years @ $ 17 and he says no, they should move on. $ 102 M should get you Garza AND Balfour…. without a $ 20 M posting fee.

    If we are being greedy… gimma Tanaka, Johan Santana on a make-good and Balfour. Then react to the A-Rod ruling to address 3B with those $$$$.

  86. Baby Ruth December 31st, 2013 at 8:44 am

    ’2013: 2nd half era: 1.82′

    ==========

    Pitching for ‘a new contract’ numbers for half a year

    Gets a new $$$ deal

    Then reverts back to mediocrity ?

    Pass

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 8:44 am

    “The last 3 years?

    2011 era: 5.10
    2012 era: 5.40
    2013 first half era: 4.56
    2013: 2nd half era: 1.82

    One of these doesn’t belong…..”

    Since you haven’t even been able to be accurate in what you’ve stated, I can’t begin to guess which one “doesn’t belong”.

    And I don’t think anyone would take seriously someone trying to make an argument by showing (albeit incorrect) stats for three years and only breaking one of them into two halves. Sounds to me like you’re pressing.

  88. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 8:45 am

    What did his fastball average in the second half of 2013? I honestly don’t know. Maybe the velocity is starting to return. Don’t know.

    But don’t portray him like his arm is shot.

    His recent track record suggests otherwise.

    Something happened in the 2nd half of 2013. I honestly don’t know what it is and would honestly like to explore what it might be.

    It’s a worthwhile conversation imo.

  89. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 8:46 am

    86,

    Many of us are always player greedy. Let’s try to win and make a ton of income.

  90. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Bret,

    Check his fan graphs game log stats as I did. Like. You, I assumed he may have gotten velocity back. He didn’t. Still 91-92.

  91. Baby Ruth December 31st, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Ubaldo on the Yankees would be like watching Phil Hughes

    He doesn’t throw enough strikes (delivery repetition)

    Ugh ……….

  92. 86w183 December 31st, 2013 at 8:48 am

    I thought Santanz’s agent was pushing for either a decent guarantee or he would hold Santana out until a January workout and try and create some bidding competition.

    Maybe that competition has already materialized.

    Santana has made over $ 100 M in his career. One would think he’d look at home field issues and chances to win as higher priorities than a small guarantee.

  93. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 8:49 am

    2013 was 91.7.

    What was his 2nd half velocity to the nearest tenth please.

  94. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Since you haven’t even been able to be accurate in what you’ve stated, I can’t begin to guess which one “doesn’t belong”.”

    You need to do better Trisha….you said that if I can’t believe in the improvements he’s made over the “last 3 years” then you don’t know what to tell me…..show me where he was good in the last 3 years anywhere except the 2nd half of 2013

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Bret – because of course we’ve never seen a loss of velocity in a pitcher before so definitely sound the alarms!

    :roll:

  96. pat December 31st, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Yankees were very lucky to win as many games as they did last year with what they were throwing out there everyday.

    I’d like to see Derek and Tex do a baseball activity rather than just get in shape before I factor them as a solution to anything.

    I think both believe they are going to be pre-injury condition but the body sometimes doesn’t do what you think it will- especially at almost 40 and wrists are always tricky for hitters.

    They have many question marks and few sure answers in the infield as they head to Tampa.

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 8:50 am

    “But don’t portray him like his arm is shot.

    His recent track record suggests otherwise.”

    That doesn’t matter or count.

    Oh wait…

  98. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Trisha,

    I’m conceding the loss of velocity and accompanying concern.

    What I want to know is, what is the 2nd half velocity. I don’t want a range. I want a firm number, preferably rounded to the nearest tenth.

  99. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:52 am

    What did his fastball average in the second half of 2013? I honestly don’t know. Maybe the velocity is starting to return. Don’t know.”

    Same….91ish. Hey if you want to gamble big money on that small sample being real and that he can come back with the same mechanical consistencies then fine…..but I wouldn’t .

    Bret,
    Btw…..have you ever been to Highlands NC? It’s about 1.5 hours from Asheville…..we went to the old Edwards inn there this last weekend and that place is amazing

  100. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 8:52 am

    The CC loss of velocity alarm proved a valid concern. A drop in several miles an hour is huge. Of course, good enough control can overcome it, but I don’t see that with Ubaldo.

  101. Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Something happened in the 2nd half of 2013

    ————

    What happened is what Ruth stated. ” Pitching for ‘a new contract’ numbers for half a year. Gets a new $$$ deal Then reverts back to mediocrity”

  102. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 8:54 am

    So the pharmacist is very OCD but I”m going to her house tonight for a New Year’s bonfire. I removed her Christmas tree yesterday, fixed her shop VAC, removed all her blinds and helped a friend of hers install new blinds.

    Her main concern is “guys just wanting to get in her pants”. I think she has me in a certain category and I’ve been there for a while.

    No escape.

  103. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Something happened in the 2nd half of 2013

    ————

    What happened is what Ruth stated. ” Pitching for ‘a new contract’ numbers for half a year. Gets a new $$$ deal Then reverts back to mediocrity”

    ____________

    Pitching for a new contract requires some type of skill.

  104. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Losing velocity when you still walk 4 per 9 is a big concern….

  105. mick December 31st, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Not sure I want another starter like Jiminez, Garza, etc…if we get Tanaka.

    They will come with a big contract and knock out Pineda, Phelps, etc..for any shot at the 5th starter slot.

    They won’t come anyway as we will offer 5th starter money.

  106. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:56 am

    “Her main concern is “guys just wanting to get in her pants”. I think she has me in a certain category and I’ve been there for a while.”

    Are you? :)

  107. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Blake,

    I have a flame from school here in nutrition who works there. Maybe you met her. Red hair, bout 5 9″, skinny, blue eyes, 24 yrs old.

  108. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Was the velocity lower than 91.7 in the first half? And ticked up in the 2nd?

    What was the first and 2nd half velocity to the nearest tenth?

  109. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Johan Santana on a minor league deal would be much preferable to big money for Ubaldo as an additional move to tanaka. At least the risk would be cheap there

  110. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Blake,

    both

  111. blake December 31st, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Bret The Hitman says:
    December 31, 2013 at 8:57 am
    Blake,

    I have a flame from school here in nutrition who works there. Maybe you met her. Red hair, bout 5 9?, skinny, blue eyes, 24 yrs old.

    What part does she work in? I don’t think so…..

  112. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Bret,

    I considered doing the math regarding his second half velocity, but I’m too lazy. Go to fangraphs, game log and pitch type. He was still in the 91.5 range it appears.

  113. Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Something happened in the 2nd half of 2013

    ————

    What happened is what Ruth stated. ” Pitching for ‘a new contract’ numbers for half a year. Gets a new $$$ deal Then reverts back to mediocrity”

    ____________

    Pitching for a new contract requires some type of skill.

    —————

    It does but should the Yankees gamble on that skill.

  114. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 9:00 am

    She works in food service and with menu design. Pretty sure she works there.

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:01 am

    First of all, you were inaccurate in your statement of his stats over the last three years.

    His improvement? I’ll go with the last two years since the year before was a split year between NL and AL an it’s pretty hard to assess exactly who he was, getting dumped into the AL.

    9-17 – 5.40; 1.613
    13-9 – 3.30; 1.330

    And though we’ve already been fed a fable about “going hard in the second half of a contract year”, it appears that the real story has to do with working with his pitching coach.

    To get some insight into reality, it might help to read this: http://www.cleveland.com/tribe.....y_cal.html

  116. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Bret The Hitman says:
    December 31, 2013 at 9:00 am
    She works in food service and with menu design. Pretty sure she works there.

    I don’t think I saw her but that restaurant (Madison’s ) is first rate

  117. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Here’s another pitcher who has regained velocity and might be worth an incentive laden contract.
    I’d still be worried about the violent arm action.

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....s-back-up/

  118. mick December 31st, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Henry Frankenstein: That body is not dead, it has never lived. I created it,I made it with my own hands from the graves from the gallows anywhere.
    ========================
    Didn’t you once say this about Pineda?

  119. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:04 am

    His improvement? I’ll go with the last two years since the year before was a split year between NL and AL an it’s pretty hard to assess exactly who he was, getting dumped into the AL.”

    So now your moving the goal post to two years ? You said look at the last 3 years so I did……and the last two years he’s been awful one and good one…..even though it’s really only a half a season he’s been good

  120. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:06 am

    And btw I have read that article and know all about the changes the Indians made……the problem is that if he comes to the Yankees it’s a whole new environment and a new pitching coach. And besides that…..there is no guarantee the fixes will hold in Cleveland either…..Ubaldos delivery is extremely high maintenance

  121. mick December 31st, 2013 at 9:09 am

    In with the New…..Year——–>>>>>>>>>

  122. Baby Ruth December 31st, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Against All Odds

    Or he stopped smokin all that good ‘hemp’ in Colorado when he got to Cleveland and straightened out foe half a season


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